We Hate Movies - S7: WHM On-Screen: Wonder Woman

Episode Date: June 9, 2017

On this WHM On-Screen, the gang welcomes Chelsea Jupin into the studio to chat about the new superhero hit, Patty Jenkins' "Wonder Woman!" The film has everything: from a strong, female superhero, to terrible German accents, to classic Hollywood-style sex scenes, and even a nude Chris Pine clutching his genitals! WARNING: Here be spoilers! "Wonder Woman" stars Gal Godot, Connie Nielsen, Robin Wright, Lucy Davis, Elena Anaya, Lilly Aspell, Chris Pine, Danny Huston, David Thewlis, Saïd Taghmaoui, Ewen Bremner, and Eugene Brave Rock; directed by Patty Jenkins.Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a headgum podcast. Welcome to WHM on screen, everybody. I'm Andrew Jupin alongside Steven Sadek, Eric Siska, and joining us in studio for the first time making WHM history. Well, you've heard her on a couple ads. This is my wife. Chelsea Jupin, how are you? Good, thank you. Welcome to the program.

Thank you. So we thought, yeah, no, definitely. So we thought, you know, we're talking about Wonder Woman, and it's not really, you know, totally kosher to have just three fat pigs with beards talking about Wonder Woman, and so... Thank you, Andrew, by the way, for this idea. Because, Chelsea, now that you're here, I want to ask you, I want to ask you, we have Wonder Woman.

Yeah. Where's Wonder Man? Congress and the presidency and the CEO of every company and every other comic book and every other movie. Actually, there is a Wonder Man in the Marvel Comics universe. You'll never see him because nobody cares. Literally, no. Steve, when you said that last part, were you pushing your nose up? Oh, yes. I was raising my glasses. By the way, I might talk over Chelsea a couple of times because I can't hear her because I have red pills jammed into my ears.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's just how that works. So I apologize. Well, dude, that's because you're seeing the truth, brother. So we are, of course, everybody's been asking about it. So of course, we are here to. do an on-screen for the new Wonder Woman movie that came out just a few days ago directed by Patty Jenkins

who you may have known from her directing that movie Monster about Eileen Wernos won Charlize Theron Academy Award for that movie she did but so this is Wonder Woman with I just learned actually Chelsea you actually and this is fellas by the way

my wife doing the research in preparation for the show. How do you actually pronounce this woman's name? I believe it's gaddot. Godot, because she corrected Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, it's Israeli. Oh, really? It's Gadot. Not like the play. Okay. Gadot. Yeah, so I'm waiting for

Gadot. I might still be getting it wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was Gadot. You can only find yourself so lucky to be corrected by her one day. Yeah. Exactly. I would love for Gal Gadot to tell me off about her name. We could start there, actually, because I do love how

everyone on Themiscairius slash Paradise Island has her accent? I thought that was a really smart move. They're like, yeah, no, they all talk like that. Yeah, that's a good call. And that's so funny, though, because I didn't even notice it until you just said it right now. But yeah, even Robin Wright's doing a voice. Yes, they know every language, right? So I guess it's just every accent jammed together.

That's how they sounded in ancient Greeks, actually, I think. when they speak English that's how they sound yeah which they certainly did yes yeah you know Socrates is the best

in the original English Is rarely Socrates I don't believe this Turn it off Oh it's actually so crates Actually I found that out I have that right in front of me From my Bill intend

to English Dictionary I thought I thought maybe Socrates went on Jimmy Kimmel and corrected him. Oh, man, that would be great at Jimmy Kimmel time travel extravaganza. That would be fantastic. It would be. So we're talking about Wonder Woman. So I got to tell you, I don't know about you fellows and lady in the room, but I really liked this movie.

Yeah, I did too. You know, the Marvel stopped sending the check so I can finally say that I liked a DC movie. Wasn't it great how we were constantly getting paid off? Oh yeah, they cut off that gravy trade. No, and Chelsea, you liked it too, right? Yeah, yeah, I liked it a lot. I thought it was really great. And my knowledge of DC and all superheroes really does come from movies,

so I don't come to this with a ton of Wonder Woman experience because, as is the problem, she's never gotten her own movie, so I've never really had anything to see. The TV show kind of predates me, so I didn't grow up watching it. So this was really my first exposure to her. So I don't have that context to bring to it that a lot of people did, that a lot of women especially grew up with her.

But even without that, I loved this movie. Did you guys watch the Linda Carter TV show? I don't think it was ever syndicated when I was growing up. It was always the old Batman show, I feel. Like, that's all I ever saw. I didn't even know where that was. And maybe I missed it. of it, but I didn't, I was never aware of it being on, like, cable or anything.

Yeah, I think, I only think, I only think of clips when I, when I think about that show. Yeah, I think I only know it from GIFs. Wow, not even clips. Not even. As a, as a disgraced, uh, uh, uh, we hate movies, comic book expert from the last Batman, my, my terrible Batman versus Superman takes, I, I, I love this movie. I really did. I thought it was awesome. I am really happy to see, like, a podcast. positive DC movie yet again like a kind of hopeful and happy and like I mean and it's not like

sappy stupid but it's like it's actually having fun with the character and it lets the character have fun and exist in a fun world as opposed to a gray dark nothing and that works a lot better for DC I think it's the best DC movie since the Dark Night trilogy which means it's better than four movies or maybe even five if you're counting I lost count now were there two supermans before Batman versus I gave up after Yeah, so you had Man of Steel was one And then you had what was the other one? No, it was just it was Batman versus Superman was the sequel

Are we counting Superman Returns or whatever that was? See that one I kind of liked I know that's not a very popular opinion But I like a lighter comic book movie I like that movie too actually Exactly and I think Steve was sort of Hitting on what I did like about this Is it doesn't feel as bleak

as Man of Steel did, which was the last one I would have seen in the D.C. universe, you know, it doesn't feel totally depressing. It doesn't feel like 32 9-11s or like you guys were always saying. It's 75-9-11s. I remember when we saw Man of Steel in the theaters and I was like blinded by seeing Superman on the big screen again

and I fully admit to this and we came out of the theater we were at the 1-2-3 on the Upper East Side And I was like, that was great. And Chelsea looked at me, like, if you could do an emoji that signified, like, instant divorce. Yeah. We weren't even married yet. And I was already ready to divorce here. But she was just like, what are you talking about?

You fucking idiot. That movie was terrible. And I love, like, I'm definitely DC over Marvel. I love Superman. I loved the Christopher Reeve movies. I loved Lois and Clark was really good. Oh, sure. I watched a lot of that.

I loved Lovis and Clark. I love all the old Michael. I loved Lois and Clark. I was so good. I had a very drunk conversation with my fiancé. We watched the pilot like 10, seven years ago. We're like, this is excellent. This is like really good.

This is holding up. And then the next day we had like some remorse about that. It was so good. I'm still disappointed in Dean Kane and the way his life has gone. Yeah. Steve, I thought you were going to say you were having a drunken conversation with Dean. I did too. I wish

Yeah, we were filming a Hallmark Christmas movie And we were both wasted Yeah, it was the Hallmark Christmas movie called It's About Jesus, you fuckers Yeah, I mean, this movie is a great example Of what DC can do when somebody turns a fucking light on And I love that she has the great line About when they're getting to London

And she says it's so, I forget the line exactly But she says it's so depressing Or it's so ugly or something like that Like yeah, these cities, that you keep building DC Universe are really bleak. Yeah. And I really, I love that small magical hidden island

that even still managed to get invaded by Germany. Well, dude, that's, you know, they were an axis of power, man. They could find anything. You put a German on a boat and he has taken something over. You know what I mean? I don't trust it. But yeah,

so I also, so let's I don't know, like I got some talking points here i guess but like you know who's great in this movie fucking james t kirk version two chris pine himself yeah it's great to see yeah he's really good i don't have a definitive ranking of chris's yet but he's he's towards the top i don't know he i actually thought this is probably the best comic book romance since uh christopher reeve and margot kidder that has worked on screen i think wow better than uh uh uh uh uh michael Keaton and Kim Basinger?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. All right, all right, let's everybody relax. Well, that's... Is it better than Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson? They, you know what? Somebody wasn't saying something in that movie. Yeah, their relationship was complicated.

Well, his relationship with Kim Basinger was complicated. It was supposed to be a very clear hit it and quit it. And then like, she like goes up to where his parents, died and takes pictures of him and it's like yo lady oh master wayne i believe you were supposed to hit it and quit it uh but chris pine is he's he's just the right kind of like levity for what you need this character to be and he's definitely not like dude broing out all over the movie right and he's got some like kind of comedy lines and stuff and it's great to see a little humor in a dc movie again forbid somebody cracks a fucking smile

and I think everybody everybody's got a good moral center as well not to get too cheesy but like he wants to do good and she wants to do good and that they want to do good kind of together they have different ideas about that and that's kind of what the movie's about but like it's more

it's not it's not just I want to like brand people and have them murdered in a really baroque fashion in some prison system because I'm Batman or whatever you know what I mean it's just like right which that happens yeah no that totally happens i was going to say which is what which is what batman does in in bvs because chelsea will never see bvs no trying to try to fill in some uh well-earned blanks uh for that

some well-deserved blanks yeah yeah yeah yeah no admirable blanks uh yeah but like also so here's a thing because i thought it was done tastefully here um because we we had to have fucking in this movie, I guess. Like, he does have sex with her, but it's very, like, above the covers, not even a sex scene. Yeah, it's an old Hollywood sex scene. But it's, it's, I agree with you, that did strike me as weird. You know what I mean? Like, that it's not, it happens just to happen and we don't really talk about it ever again. Which, which I like, because, like, let's not dwell on the humping and showing the humping and, you know, I miss those old Hollywood, like, we're going to pan to a door now. Right.

Right. And I think a lot of that goes to the importance of this, to sort of get to a bigger point, the importance of the fact that this movie is directed by a woman. I think that that's certainly a thing that would have been differently presented by, if not all, male director, certainly some. I think a lot of the way she's presented as a sex object while not really, you know, people could argue ways. into which she is objectified versus not. I don't want to get into the specifics of it, but it does seem like it really wasn't as bad as it would have been. It was really tasteful. You're totally right. Yeah.

The male gaze sometimes is just like ridiculous. And sometimes it's maybe not even meant to be as ridiculous as it comes over. Right. And you don't get that in this. No, she's sexy but not sexualized. You know what I mean? Right. She looks great.

And I do love all those kind of jokes. where everyone like literally stops the movie and is like wow she really looks great because she does and like that's kind of like half of the point is she's like this otherworldly princess but like it's not what the movie's about and people aren't like jerking off behind the scenes you know what I mean well and that's coming from I mean this is quite a relief to be talking about Wonder Woman because uh you know we're smack dab into recording we've already we've laid down most of this Transformersathon that we're putting out this summer and we talk about things like you know, that first Transformers movie

when there's like a camera going up Megan Fox's ass in that movie. And you're just like, you know, this is so so not that, even though you're dealing with a character that's literally perceived

as like a goddess, you know. Oh, totally. And I mean, I'm sorry. No, no, no. I was just the, the, you've got your red pills. I understand. I can't hear a word.

Hey, shut up, woman. I think the movie also does a good job at sort of winking at that a few times. His secretary gets the funny line when he puts the glasses on her about, oh, what? Now she's not the most beautiful woman you've ever seen. Yes. You know?

I think that they recognize what they kind of have to deal with because it's still Wonder Woman. She still wears the skimpy outfits. It's also still a gorgeous actress playing it. Yeah. You know. And it was, Steve, you can

reclaim your comic book expert status here. If you could remind us the tale about, so the dude that created Wonder Woman was into like crazy bondage shit is that right yeah i don't know i haven't read the the whole book uh mostly just the wikipedia article but the dude was a psychiatrist or a therapist who was into yeah he was a you know bdsm into some fashion he he and his i don't know if they were married but he had a partner and then there was another woman in the house as well so it was like a very like a poly family

situation like and that kind of all spills out in those early comics and like they kind of thankfully ignore most of that stuff like uh wonder woman's original weakness was if she got tied up she couldn't get it out of something like that was it like and people were oh you're going nowhere lady exactly uh so that they that would seem a bit odd like that'd be weird at nowhere john goodman showed up and tied her up like everyone just throw up and she's in a bunker underground

By the way, we should mention that Chelsea brought up Wonder Woman, or Chris Pine's assistant in the movie is Lucy Davis who was Dawn on the UK office and of course Diane I believe the ex-girlfriend in Sean of the Dead. Am I remembering that movie correctly? Yeah, they're broken up. Oh, no, no, she's just like a buddy or something? Yeah, I think she's just the friend of the lead whose name escapes me.

It's her, she's like... Simon Pei. No, the friend of his girlfriend, whose name escapes me. And she's dating the bespectical dude who gets, like, ripped out the window. Oh, yeah. Get fucked, four eyes. That's right. She's not the...

She's great. So, I mean, we're reigning praise on this movie, and I do think it's a great movie, and my squabbles with it are just that. But here's, I think, unfortunately, a weak point in the movie, because I think he's an amazing actor. But David Thueless kind of farting around in this movie. I didn't really care for. It's, you know, we, we did lighten the tone, but we just cannot get a good comic book villain and a comic book movie post, like, I don't know, 2007.

We just cannot figure that shit out. I mean, post-heath Ledger? I mean, when was the, you were like, wow, that's a villain. Yeah, and I mean, like, because the paradigm kind of shifted, like those old Batman movies and even the Superman movies at the same thing, and even, like, spawn to an extent, was always about, here, let's let's let the villain, like, chew the scenery and have a lot of fun.

And we've rightfully kind of righted the ship and been like, all right, we want to care about the hero more and the hero has an arc in these movies, et cetera, et cetera. But the villain, especially in this one, just kind of farts around. And I definitely think that Dewellis does that.

I think Danny Houston is uniquely terrible. That is an awful German accent. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that guy is doing. Yeah, the accent is not good. I didn't mind him, but I did not care for the accent. Yeah. The villains are, this, I guess, Wonder Woman, sort of DC's answer to Thor, since you've got gods and stuff and Aries and evil Germans.

Especially evil Germans. Yeah, I guess, well, it's kind of Captain America then as well. But, yeah, I thought it's just a funny concept to me that like, oh, this, the God of War is back and he's got the Germans worked up yet again. Yeah. Thankfully, though, I'm, go ahead. no i was gonna say what's gonna like spoiler she defeats him but like wait a second does he come back at a couple years yeah no exactly yeah exactly right and that's like i don't buy the whole notion that's what's weird about like the fact that david dulais is

indeed aries the god of war because yeah it's like hey man in another 30-ish years we're talking nazis baby like yeah i don't i don't get that I at least appreciated that they avoided the Nazis this time and did something a little different. It's nice to see, you know, proud mother Prussia on the prowl. But what was disturbing, too, about the villain, he turns out to be the, like, the anti-war, like, left politician. Yeah. Like, no, it's not the evil Nazi. No, no.

Oh, it's the guys that are talking about peace you got to look out for. Well, dude, because he's hiding in plain sight. the idea. I guess that is the idea. But to Steve's point though, about like too many scenes with heroes versus not enough with the villain, like you think about we've been bringing up like the Tim Burton Batman, but like that movie, there are scenes where Jack Nicholson is just jokering around and, you know, fucking Michael Keaton's nowhere to be found. Yes. And this movie doesn't do that. And I think that I actually kind of liked Dr. Poison at least as a concept. And I thought the actress was pretty good. Yeah. Although I feel like Dr. Poison, if Chris Pine starts hitting on me and I have a deformed face, I'm like, yo, are you a spy?

Yeah, you're not falling for that at all. And like, yeah, the fact that the spell is broken just because, you know, Diana walks in and she catches him like taking a peek. It's a real get-a-look, a good-look Kastanza moments. It is. But like, yeah, like before that, you'd be like, I look like that fucked up dude on boardwalk. Empire. There's no way this dude is not a spy. You know, I kind of found that guy to be kind of handsome on Boardwalk Empire. Is that right with his fucking ceramic face? Yeah, because it's so, it's so, it's so clean, you know? Did anyone get a look on Dr. Poison? Was she an actress that I should know? Sally Field.

It was not Sally Field. That was the one person I didn't look up. I think it's an actress named Elena Anaya. I don't know what she's been in here, but I am pulling up the Tribune just to check it out. She's actually a Spanish actor. Yeah, a lot of Spanish films.

Oh, she's in Elmodovar as the skin I live in. Okay. Oh, that's a good movie. She's apparently in Van Helsing as well. Oh, what? She was in Van Helsing? Alira. Oh, shit.

As Dr. Poison? Oh, man. Yeah, the Dr. Poison fucking pre- film Van Helsing that's a stay tuned and a half one thing to get to get back to sort of some praise for the movie was I like in the same way that like she's sexy but not sexualized or whatever it's like it's female empowering in like a million ways like every single frame of it is but it it never says that and like if you look at something like catwoman which was kind of a bomb like they go out of their way to be like girls can kick butt too and like talk about

yes as opposed to literally just showing or kicking the ass out of everybody and you said show don't tell exactly no totally yeah and there's not that scene where like somebody goes up to her and like wow you really inspired me like and i you know i was in the theater with like kids like screaming their heads off like girls and and boys too like people really like worked up about this movie because they don't do that you know what i mean like it's just they show this awesome character and it it's a woman you know what i mean like yeah who would have guessed yeah it's much more empowering because it's done well you don't have to sort of excuse it and say I liked this even though it sucks because it doesn't suck right yeah there's no uh need to like make

excuses about stuff I guess is the yeah you know like you don't have to be like oh we're being forgiving about this but I mean not that you should but it's like you don't even feel that thing in the back of your head that's like am I bullshitting about this right now and that's what's so tough about this movie. There's so much pressure anytime a woman-led movie comes out because then it has to be the best or it's going to say, can a woman be a lead in a movie ever again? Or, you know, Welp, see, it turns out people don't like women in movies. You know, there was nothing after Batman versus Superman sucked out of, well, should we stop making superhero movies? Like, there's not, you know, Adam Sandler makes how many garbage movies and you never hear anyone say, maybe men should stop starring in

comedies. You're right there. Women are held to such a higher standard. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. Because it's saying like every single thing that is female-centric is identical when the male cinema can have every single thing out there. Well, that's the thing. There's that leaked chain, the Sony hacks, the head of Marvel publishing was like talking about what a bad idea.

What's that guy's name? Ike Perlmutter. What a bad idea is. it was to what it would be to have a female led movie because look at catwoman and look at I think he names Electra and Supergirl and all this stuff and like yeah but those are just shitty movies you know what I mean like all of those Transformer movies are about dudes and they suck so bad right I mean I don't think you could make like a lady led transformer movie and it would be awesome unless you got a big overhaul behind the camera yeah I don't know

Patty Jenkins, if you're thinking about it, though. But yeah, I mean, because I think, you know, because yeah, like we have seen. And that was the thing that was mildly annoying was people being like, this is the first, like, movie with like a female superhero in it. And I was like, no, man, I fucking saw Elektra in theaters. Right. We did an episode, we did an episode on Supergirl. I saw fucking Catwoman in theaters, even though she's, you know, not exactly a superhero. but like those were directed by dudes with that idea of like especially I mean fucking catwoman my god in heaven like look at that ass and that's like that's so like looking at that ass is so an afterthought in this movie or like a non thought yeah the only person you see naked in this movie is Chris Pine oh and he is clutching that fucking dick and balls dude is awesome I loved it I was waiting for a pearl to pop out

He's just getting out of that hot sauna. And Steve, do you know anything about this hot sauna? Was that a magic hot sauna? It'd be great if, you know, Simon Peggpipes is like, Captain, we've got the transporter work. It's like, not now, Scottie. Speaking of science fiction, there, you're bringing up Star Trek. But I was just thinking about when we were talking about female leads and movies

and when they're directed by men, thankfully Star Wars has done a pretty good job lately with, you know, the Force Awakens and Rogue One. Which is also why, you know, those movies were kind of protested on the internet for that reason as well as this movie. And I think we should talk about the Alamo screenings that have gotten some heat. Yeah, let's talk about it. So we, Chelsea and I saw this at Brooklyn Alamo, which I have to say, strong plug for Brooklyn Alamo, man. They've only been open like, I guess, a year or so, but they're fucking killing it. Right.

Wait, they let you in? We did. I thought it was, I thought men weren't allowed. Men aren't allowed in Brooklyn anymore, but Andrew snuck in. I saw it after you, actually. They let all the men in. It seems like they actually only had very specific screenings that only women were allowed

and most men who wanted to see this movie could go to another fucking screening. That's what my... Like, as if it was only three out of 100 or so, yeah. Exactly. But like, why would you even want, like, to infringe on that? Like, why would you... So if they let you in and it was like all women

and then one dude, you're like a weird, creepy dude in this theater. It's like seeing a Facebook invitation to a birthday party. you're not invited to and showing up out of spite. It's like, dude, that's not going to be a good night for you or anyone else. You weren't invited for a real specific reason. Right. There are showings for, like, kids and stuff that, I mean, I think anyone can go. But like, if you're not going to go see like, God damn, what's a, what's a kids movie these days?

Shark bite. Boss baby. What the fuck is Shark bite? That's a. Wasn't it like, that might have been like 15 years ago? Shark boy in love. a girl, is that what you're thinking of? Yeah, I don't know, maybe. You're not going to go to the kid's screening of

dark blue with Kurt Russell. You know what I mean? You're just not going to do it. Or to what Chelsea said about boss baby. Like a fucking 11 a.m. showing a boss baby. That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah. Now, for people who are unfamiliar, I guess some background in case you hadn't heard about it, maybe you were under a rock.

Or maybe you live in an area where you don't have an alamo. You don't give a shit anyway. Or maybe you were just in paying attention to the important news that's going on. Also that, yeah, the world. of men crying about this right yeah so this was so the the the the ogy austin uh draft house location was like hey man we're going to have a showing where it's just ladies and it's sold out instantly and they added more and then some some fucking you know red pill motherfuckers started uh taking beef with this and then a chain one of the chains i think it was in like northern virginia or something

added some and then brooklyn got on board too it wasn't even the entire chain and so brooklyn i looked at the opening week of showtimes because I was curious as to what the score was and it was they had the movie on two screens it's two hours so you can average the time that they open you get maybe like five to six showings on a screen per day so that's let's let's be safe and say 10 times a day you're screening this movie for that so that's seven seven days in a week so that's 70 screenings of that movie of those 70 screenings literally three of them one on like I'm a Sunday afternoon and then like a fucking Tuesday and a Thursday where these totally sold out like women only screenings. And everything else, you could just go to. Sold out instantly. And they were only going to do one and then they added a couple more because it sold out so fast. If you had such a problem with it, there's also what, hundreds of theaters in New York and in Austin probably.

And anyone that doesn't want to see that because of an all-woman screening wouldn't see the movie anyway. You know what I mean? So then you're not losing any business. And the movie sort of watching, I mean, we didn't go to a female only screening, but there were moments in the movie where I was like, man, if this was a theater full of women, this would be getting a different reaction. That matters. That's important to women to be able to have that space and go see this movie that is important

to women and be able to have that experience, to be able to laugh at some stuff. And to be free, nothing like this happened when we saw it, but you're hearing people saying the second Wonder Woman comes out in no man. land and she's wearing her uniform, men started catcalling and hooting and hollering and that's gross and women don't want to, exactly, and a few others. You don't want to go and do that at a movie that you're excited about, about a hero you grew up with. Can you imagine if that kind of shit happened when Luke Skywalker came if a whole bunch of women started like, you know, doing whatever? I mean, I guess maybe that's not a great

example, but like, you know what I mean? People have found Mark Hamel attractive. Of course. He's awfully married. He's a fucking married. Dude, let me tell you this like this like uh orson well's beard they got him in and these new movies hubba oh i love it jesus christ i'm loving it but yeah no it's just it's just it's total fucking bullshit and um so now there was a thing where like there was some law professor that was like trying to file this fucking suit or whatever and it was like oh i'm just trying to make sure that none of the workers found this discriminatory it's like you know what dude if you work at an alamo draft

house for the most part you're probably not a fucking dickhead and you're on bored with what their mission is anyway. And people who you see, and I don't know if this professor was doing the same, saying, well, what if this leads to, you know, race only scrutiny? You know, these kind of things aren't going to happen. This was Alamo, which is a very liberal, you know, very progressive chain doing a few things out of many things that were just for women. That was it. This isn't going to turn into a problem. You don't need to pretend. That's why you're concerned. Exactly. Because there's all, these are the same type of assholes that are like, oh, well, a heterosexual baker

shouldn't have the option to not sell a gay wedding cake. Exactly. Yeah, it's honestly those same exact fucking people. But yeah, so that whole thing's bullshit, and the people that are upset about that are fucking morons. And I say that confidently, and I have no problem saying you're a fucking moron. If you think that, I really don't care.

You're a fucking moron. It's a false equivalency. We're not who could ever care about, this. It's just a different way to enjoy a movie for people. It's not a quote unquote safe space motherfucker fucking snowflake. It's just a place

wherein like you know what I mean? Like there are plenty of places a dude and only dudes can go watch their football game. And that's totally cool. Thank you, Steve. I can't believe this is coming from a red pill motherfucker like you. Oh no, they fell out of my ears. I got to go look for them on the floor. I'll tell you this. You know the red pill that was invented by two women,

That red pill? Love that. Love them red pills. I will, here's the thing. If this ever happens, so I wake up one day, I turn on Indie Wire and I see a thing that says, what's that? I just said, oh boy. Yeah, no, I turn on Indie Wire, right? That's where I get all my news first. I turn on Indie Wire and it's like Alamo Draft House's Tim League announces best man wedding screenings for whites only. I'd be like, well, you know what? Okay, that's a fucking problem. Yeah. No one's going to take American sniper away from you.

I guarantee you there will not be an all-women screening of American sniper. I guarantee you. I didn't go see any screenings of the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie. You guys can have that one. I'll talk to every woman I know and we won't go see that. You guys can have all of them. Strongly enforced the dude's only policy at the door. No, they had no people screening.

of that. Yes, that's right. We did only talk about her in terms of her name, but Gal Gadot was really excellent as well. Godot. Godot. I don't it. See, I know.

I YouTubeed, and I still got it wrong. It was so good, and I wasn't familiar with her. Otherwise, because, like I said, I hadn't seen Batman v. Superman. I hadn't seen her in anything else. But I was really impressed with her, and I think that she absolutely carried the movie, no question.

And honestly, that was kind of a big, big question mark for me but it's only because she isn't given shit to do in that first the BVS movie and also like I have kept up

with all the Fast and Furious movies that she's in she doesn't have huge roles in those I didn't see keeping up with the Joneses so I didn't really know what to expect and my God she carries the shit out of this movie she really does and she's like funny and you know she's quick and she keeps up with it and I mean like it's kind of an

way to play the character because the character at least in the comics is kind of um she's a much more like worldly and wise because she's been at it a long time et cetera et cetera like this is like she's very naive but it's not like she's not insino man naive you know what i mean like she like she's not figuring out what a microwave burrito is you know for for like an origin movie it was really good because it was just like an immediate call to action you weren't like dwelling with it for that long. Yeah, she's just doing it. I don't see anybody sewing a costume, like... Oh, and can

I also say that the action was phenomenal, so much better than BVS, like just the fight sequences on like no man's land and throwing the whip around? That was all great. When she fucks up that sniper in the bell tower and that whole shit explodes, that

was awesome. Was it like a church? Yeah, I think so. I leaned over to Andrew. I said that was probably built in like 900 or something like Yeah, no, that church was fucking centuries old. Also, I love the sort of sea, just demiscera there when Robin Wright is, or are we just Robin Wright these days? We're just Robin writing it. We have been for like 20 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry about that. But when she's like kicking ass and like that, we see all the Amazons, like, beat the shit out of all these Germans and murder them all? Are they like burying those bodies? Are we putting them in the sea? What are we talking here? I think it's a burn job, dude. letting the tide drink him, I don't know. The tide.

Yeah, I don't know. No, it's cannibalism, actually. Oh, nice. I would love that. Honestly, I will say that's almost a fault. It's not really, but I kind of wanted to go back to Themisgir at some point. I thought that's where we were going at some point. But I guess save it for the sequel.

I guess save it for the sequel, because then like she could return. Because I've read that like the next one is going to just be in present day. I guess sometime after. the events of the Justice League movies or something maybe? I'm hoping it's about her kick-ass career as an arts administrator at the Louvre. Wonder Woman 2, paperwork? No, like an art museum heist kind of thing.

Like a Thomas Crown Affair. Yeah. Oh, you get, oh, that's a crossover. You get Tom Hanks in there? Yeah. Can we talk about the creepy framing device where like Batman is so fucking thirsty that he sends her a 50,

like a million dollar present of some creepy picture she took like a hundred years ago well that was the whole thing that she was searching after in the first movie no I know but I mean like my god like here you have some you go out with some friends you know what I mean you have a

crazy night out one of them winds up dead you know we've all been there before right and oh yeah oh yeah and then like you go back to work on Monday morning and this guy's like oh by the way I happen to have this great picture of you from 30 years ago and I'm sending it by special career

to you in Paris. That happens. To smaller degrees there's, you talk about a movie you like and a creepy guy gets you the DVD. Exactly. Oh God. Dude, you're referencing like four birthdays you had with me.

No, no, that's different. We're married. That doesn't count. Yeah, that was a flaw in the movie, Steve, because like at the end of it, like oh wow that was great and then you just see like that creepy email all these dudes in their email but his emails man dude it's fucking bruce at batman dot com and what bothered me about that though was just the notion that like we can't possibly have something that's totally isolated in like

whatever 19 14 15 whatever it is you know we have to have this framing device of like you remember when she was in that other movie you remember that? Which is unfortunate because the other thing is and that's what was actually interesting to me about this movie her performance as Wonder Woman in this movie is completely different than what it is in BVS. It's way better

right? Yeah oh it's no it's way fucking better but it's also like I was really I was really impressed yeah in BVS she's kind of just doing Catwoman a little bit like she's like you know mysterious and like kind of a thief etc and that just doesn't fit with the character

in this like they find it and I hope obviously that carries on into Justice League and it most definitely will in Wonder Woman 2 most likely directed by Patty Jenkins did she is that like all signed up or what are we talking here? I'm not sure that's a good question I think that I read that

she's directing the next one oh is Patty Jenkins signed up I don't know what the sitch is there I think she's honestly right now with a fucking 100 million dollar domestic opening she's the most sought after director in hollywood right she's directing whatever she wants yeah so i don't know what what projects are lined up for her and it's actually i kind of feel bad because like i think this movie's so great i was not the biggest fan of monster

when that movie came out i didn't see it i kind of feel like you're not missing much but maybe i should go back and rewatch it yeah it's not that great i think i watched it a couple years ago i mean i just you know and people mature and people do different stuff and some people are more suited for other things I mean, it's a cool, it's a great Charlie Staran performance, for sure. And I mean, like, I love creepy serial killer shit. So, you know, you got three and a half stars right away. I didn't get to see that. So I'm going to try to go back maybe now that I saw this.

Yeah. Oh, you know how else you got in there, Steve? Is Az's Lee Turgison. What's that? Lee Turgison from Oz? Oh, Lee Turgison. Okay, I didn't hear you for a second. That does sound like a dish detergent or something.

Oz's Lee Turgeson. Oh, yeah, this Lee Turgeson will get the grease stains right out. Patty Jenkins has also done a lot of TV, but none that I've seen, but apparently what has been particularly great that she's done is the killing, which I did not see.

Oh, she did direct a couple episodes of the killing. Right, and apparently hers are supposed to be some of the better ones. I don't know if she did the pilot. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't. Didn't she do some, uh, oh, that's kind of hilarious. Yeah, two episodes of Entourage.

Ooh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then an episode of Arrested Development in 2004. I don't know which one. But anyway, yeah, no, so I don't know if she's locked in what the deal is, but I'm excited for that. I think so maybe to close out on this, because it's kind of an awkward thing to close out on or a random thing. But their rag-tag group of buddies in this movie, mainly train spotting 1 and 2's U.N. Bremner, also talked about on the show on AVP recently.

So it was him. That dude, Said something or other. He plays the character of Samir. I don't remember entirely what that dude's in. He was on Lost. Oh, yeah. He was on Lost for a bit.

Kind of like later bits of Lost. And then, oh, that show Touch that nobody watched. Oh, he's apparently in G.I. Joe Rise of Cobra, which... Nobody saw that. I think they're terrible. I really... It just kind of weighs the movie down. I think that...

And then Eugene Brave Rock as the chief, by the way. It's, I mean, like, it doesn't add much. I do understand the reasoning behind that. It's like, well, it's a war movie, and that's kind of the war movie trope. You know what I mean? You got to have your rag tab group of something. I do like kind of that they kind of realize that. And, like, even you and Brett, like, at the most important part of you and Bremner's

character arc, he kind of cowards out and it gives Wonder Woman her best part. You know what I mean? Like, he can't kill the... He won't kill the... the sniper so she does you know what i mean so that's pretty cool yeah which is awesome i mean he's given also a nice bit of characterization too like when he's uh he's singing in the cafe and playing the piano like i thought that was actually like a really like legitimate and like sincere moment in the movie and i'm sure a lot of people read that as cheesy or whatever i thought it was sweet

yeah i i do think that uh at least two of them should have died Yeah. Yeah, we should have been killing these characters. I mean, they're obviously never going to come back because we're not going to revisit like 1918 again. So, hey, man, let's up the body count. Yeah, totally. Although I did think that the dude playing the chief was badass.

I guess he's more like a stunt double or a stunt actor, I guess, including a bunch of shit in Eric, 10 episodes of Hell on Wheels. Oh, man, I knew him from somewhere. I knew it. I knew it. But yeah, I don't know. Like, they weren't entirely necessary. I didn't have as big a problem as Steve, I guess.

Yeah. I mean, I think Eric is right, though, that they definitely should have, some of them should have perished. Yeah. And to this movie's credit, the best parts of it are the two leads and they're in 85% of the movie. So you're fine. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's what you want in a movie.

You know what I mean? That's a passing grade, 85%. And to that end, too. It is, I do appreciate very much the fact that Chris Pine fucking eats it at the end of this movie. Yeah. Yeah, I kept expecting him to go into some sort of a wormhole or like we can't obviously freeze him in ice. That's too much. Right.

How is he going to get there? Oh, no, he's not? Oh, okay. Yeah. I was like, oh, he's going to crash land on that island and gas her whole civilization. Oh, good. He sacrificed himself. Oh, God, if he gassed the ladies of Themisgira, that would be embarrassing.

talking about all for not I uh speaking of awkward things I think it's kind of going to be interesting to see what justice league looks like after this because it's in a state of disarray because of an awful tragedy and there's nothing funny about that tragedy so I'm not making any jokes it's just going to be

really hard to judge this movie at all you know what I mean you almost kind of consider it a wash from the get-go because of the awful tragedy that happened to Zach Snyder when he's making it. Now, Josh Whedon's in it and it's going to be messy and all over the place, but I just hope that at least this movie shows the

DC brass, like keep it character-based. You know what I mean? Like, character-based, like, what has worked for 75 years will work on screen if you get people that care about it. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be edgy and adult. You just need, you gotta make it light, man.

Like, I think like, because I had avoided seeing the Justice League trailer but it was in front of this obviously so we watched it and like I mean it looks like shit but thinking about how they're all going to have their own movies like Aquaman's got some comedy floating around where he grabs the bottle of liquor and he's like the drinks

on him or whatever that's kind of funny Ezra whatever his name is who plays the Flash I don't hate and I think that would make for an interesting solo movie but it's the important thing is just like you can be serious but also balance it with a enough, like, levity that it's not just three hours of fucking misery.

And Cyborg looks terrible. The character sounds cool. He sounds cool on paper, but looking at that trailer, man. It looks like dog shit. I mean, it's pretty cool that your dad is fucking Hollywood screen legend Joe Morton, but, uh, you know, Papa Pope at all. It doesn't look great. I mean, like, actually, it made me smile a bit more than I thought it would.

The trailer, because I avoided it too. And obviously it was right before it. Um, and I was like, okay like there's some fun interplay between batman and aquaman you do see j k simmons as jim gordon i'm in for that man you know what i mean like yeah no that mustache looked nice and bushy and i'm i'm excited to see more uh galgadote as uh as uh wonder woman you know what i mean like and that's what's what's great about this movie is like it makes me excited about this this whole series of movies hopefully it's you know the next ones can live up to it right well it'll just be a bummer though

If it's like, yeah, you made that movie, but now you have to go back and do the character in this fucking ultra-serious everything is shitty realm. Yeah, exactly. Because I feel like then it's like, well, what the fuck were we doing? But the stuff that if it is Patty Jenkins doing the next one as well, and if they're smart it is, everything that she has gone on record about saying is that why she wanted to do this is because it was important to her to show a superhero who believed in love, who believed in goodness, who believed in, you know, these kind of things that you don't really see or hear about in a lot of these movies these days. So I think if she still gets to be behind it, you're still going to get a similar movie, hopefully. In the next Wonder Woman. In the next Wonder Woman. Yes, exactly. Not necessarily in this. In this movie that's already been made. Right. Obviously. Yeah. Well, and that's,

and that's who knows because, like, they're going into reshoots. And everybody here's like reshoots and it's like, oh my God, but it's like, dude, every movie has reshoots. Right. But I don't know how Josh Whedon will if he does it all, like, tonally change anything, who can say? Right. But that's an on-screen for another day, I guess. But this is a, this is a, around the horn, full-on recommend for Wonder Woman. Yeah, I wasn't not listening to someone entirely.

Yeah, yeah, no, I'd recommend it. I was, yeah, I was really blown away by this as a, it just reminded me of older superhero movies that I kind of like, just a one and done. We're not in a huge, huge universe. Like, aside from the framing device, nobody's showing up. It's about like this one character's arc and she gets somewhere in it and like, you know, she wants to do good

and it's really nice to see a superhero not just be an asshole until the end and then they realize they should be less of an asshole. It's like, oh, wow. Right. She wants to do good and she finds a way to do it and she does it naively and then she does it more maturely and that's really awesome.

It's a really great movie. It's very refreshing, yeah. Yeah. I absolutely recommend it. And from what I've seen and heard from other women, and I know who have seen it. The experience has been universal. Everyone's been really impressed by it.

Everyone's been really moved by it, both the movie and just the movie's existence in general. This is important. This matters. We saw little girls posing outside with the wonderful thing. I can't wait for my niece to see it. She's too young for it now. But, you know, this is important.

And people can't diminish that. It is. And it's here. And it's good. And that's what's great. Well, that has been WHM on screen. for Wonder Woman, directed by Patty Jenkins from this year, of course. So until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin.

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