We Hate Movies - S8 Ep322: Episode 322 - Saw

Episode Date: October 24, 2017

This week on the program, the 2017 Halloween Spooktacular pulls back into Franchise Town by discussing the 2004 extreeeeeme smash hit, Saw! How does Jigsaw lay on that floor for so long without cramping? Did he really need the puppet after all that other Mouse Trap nonsense? And how many times have the people making this movie seen Se7en? PLUS: Chris Cabin will be monitoring the "Asshole Count" in all Saw sequels from here on out—Jigsaw included! Saw stars Cary Elwes, Danny Glover, Leigh Whannell, Ken Leung, Monica Potter, and Michael Emerson; directed by James Wan.  Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Now on today's program, the Halloween Spooktacular is continuing in franchise town. This one is a real stinker man. It's Saw. I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Sadek. Fuck this movie. Eric Siska. And we hate movies.

We all go a little mad sometimes. You know, it's Halloween. I guess everyone's... That'll one good scare. Sometimes, death is better. Zombies have entered the building. They're at the door. They're coming in! It is time to keep your appointment with the Wickham Man.

They're coming to get you, Barbara. He's sick for fox using one too many movies. Now, Sid! Don't you blame the movies! Movies don't create psychos! all create psychos. Movies make psychos more creative. What's the fucking looser in the bad? What's an excellent day for an exorcism.

Hello, everyone. Welcome to We Hate Movies. Thank you for tuning in. As always, like I said, up top. We're talking Saw. It's from 2004, directed by James Wan, who has gone on to make much better movies than this. But in the meantime, he was making Saw.

Oh, by the way, nice to meet you, fuck this. Hi. it's a fuck this movie actually wait you want me to say your whole name this is my middle name are you so you related to eric movie fuck this movie oh wow we're distant cousins or seven brothers actually

we're gonna be technical about the thing how about that a stepbrothers ask movie my father his mother it was a real scene oh yeah nice I just pay to watch that oh my lord mom turn this off so cabin you you are

most frustrated because you're currently working on a for Collider where you're watching this entire franchise? Is that correct? I am. I had only seen the first three for most of my life. I finally just watched for most of my life. I watched the fourth recently which gets into his origin story because I really fucking needed that I guess. Oh dude

everybody was clamoring for it. And of course it had to wait for the fourth fucking movie. This is my least favorite franchise period. This is the one. Well hold on. Chuckie? Hellraiser. Way, way, way better. Hellraiser? Way, way better. Poppet master?

Puppet Master, I mean, are we time? Yeah, sure. Yeah, I don't know if that counts. Avatar? It's not a franchise yet. Wait, are they shooting those four co-currently, or how does that work? They're in a row. Like, they're just getting them out.

We're going to shoot them until the money runs out. What happens if it flops? Are they just going to put them on video? I mean, I guess Fox is going to take the long walk. Well, you could turn it into a cool TV show. I don't know, man. The cool Fox went out of business. It would probably just go to Netflix.

or whatever. Yeah, and that's actually the best route to go, dude, because Netflix can buy all those things and then not tell anybody that they fucking release them. Nobody will see them. It's so great. That reminds me, go to Netflix and watch the Meyerowitz stories, new and selected.

Also, a Bondback movie. Strong Island. Yeah, so Strong Islands out there, too. They just don't even give a fuck about telling you things they spend millions of dollars on. It's outrageous. Netflix ran over, but that's outrageous. Now, Saw, the movie at hand,

this movie was a fucking, smash sensation man it really was they green lit the sequel for this after the opening weekend of the of this first movie that's wild i mean for all my ill feelings towards this movie and the whole franchise it's kind of a it was made for a little over a million dollars yeah and it made 54 million it's got a nice sweet story because again like james one did go on to do great great stuff i i think anyway like really great horror movies yeah so this was sort of his like audition tape you almost don't want It's like reading somebody's, like, college entry paper. You don't want to judge it too harshly.

There is a movie that spawned. Is it eight movies? Is the eighth coming out? This is Friday. This Friday. Yes, yeah, Jigsaw. It's just called Jigsaw, which I will not be playing at the Burns Halloween Marathon. Sorry to let you guys down.

It's Jigsaw where I dance. Do you want to see me dance? Yeah. Yeah, get dancing. Didle-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-l-ddle. Why is the Irish step dance? He's a jig. He's doing a jig. Oh, he's doing the joke. That's the joke.

Want to see me do a puzzle? I thought you could go that way with that, too. 250 pieces. Oh, that's a cake walk. I was fired from River Dance. Oh, man. That's why he's so upset. He got fired. That Brian Flatley's really full of himself. Look it up there, prancing about.

Lord of the Dance, my ass. Flatly, I'm coming for you. Why didn't anyone ever challenge Flatley for that title? Oh, Lord of the Dance? Yeah, come on. Yeah, man, that should have been contested at all times. Michael Jackson was alive. Like, dude, I am the Lord of the Dance.

Yeah, exactly right. Fucking Michael Flatley. Whatever, River Dance. Well, does Michael Jackson give up that title once he, like, takes the crown of the king of pop? Oh, I see. You know what I mean? It's like you're not king. Well, he just doesn't care anymore at that point.

Like, if you are the self-proclaimed king of pop. Right. You don't really care about your other... I was always wondered how Howard Stern felt about being the king of all media. That makes him kind of the king of pop as well. Oh, interesting. Wow. Well, this fiefdom.

This is a pretty interesting American gods. We've got going here. Howard Stern. Michael Jackson. Michael Flatley. I like it. We're getting there. Also, was the king of pop a self-proclaimed thing?

I think that was his term. Really? I don't know for sure, but I thought that was his term. No idea. did not follow Michael Jackson's nicknames too closely. Did Joan remember as the Queen of Mean? Oh, I don't know.

Oh, she may have been. I know she was an officer in the fashion police. She was a lieutenant in the fashion police. The bad lieutenant. Well, what was, they gave Rickles. Didn't Rickles have a, he was like the king of insults or something? Yeah, something.

Oh, Jeff Ross, the roastmaster general. Oh, my Lord, now we got a whole army. Elvis was, what, the king? Was he was just the king? He was just the king. So wait, he's above everyone. That's a good question. So he would be like Shadow Moon.

Yeah, get Neil Gaiman on this. But like the king ruled a long time ago. You know what I mean? Like it's just old stories. A king has died on the toilet. Yeah, so what? This movie, man, like I remember, like when this movie came out, it was like, oh, fuck. Look at this new horror movie that's getting released in theaters.

And like, admittedly, man, it's, it had kind of been a while because like Screen 3 was 2000 and I you know was anything else kind of sticking out this opened up against the grudge

we were doing like ring and like oh right of course the ring remake I think is great the first one totally the second movie is Brian Cox v. Toaster man

what's that Brian Cox v. Toaster I recently rewatched that suicide scene on YouTube boy that's a horrendous way to go it holds up that's just him throwing a toaster in the tub

Oh, but he's wired, like, a whole house to go into this little, like, device that he's wearing. It's like, that guy really wants to kill himself. Like, he was either going to die or he was going to travel in time. Oh, man. It's the end of ring. It's just Brian Cox on Plymouth Rock. Just do it from all Brian Cox's perspective, and it's, like, safety not guaranteed or something. That would actually, dude, if he traveled back in time in a horror movie, that would be awesome.

It would be, like, Army of Darkness. Yeah. The ring franchise just turns into this medieval thing. Pretty cool. I'd watch it. Now on my watch. I'm in Dakota. Come and get me.

The prophesized one going back in time to save mankind from the deadites is don't be Brian Cox. It's a letter from Brian Cox dated 1885, shot in the back over a matter of 80 fucking walnuts. way to bet going down to the office as to whether or not you'd actually be here, Naomi Watts. Oh my God, Brian Cox at a saloon just like using the guns, like using the gun just to break open walnuts and just eating them fast.

She's like, you know, like, you know, Biff Tannin's not going to get these walnuts. I'm going to do it. 16 tons. What do you get? Also, I think, if I'm remembering right, 2003 was one of our favorite movies, Freddy versus Jason. Oh, right.

So this, it was more or less a rough time, man. But it was like a fresh new idea. Like, it wasn't like, oh, this is in a Japanese remake, which we're getting a lot of. It was like, oh, man, new. And there was a, there was buzz on the street that this was going to be a franchise. I was like, I was so excited when this movie came out because I'm like, Carrie Elway's, Danny Lover, two of my favorite people for no good reason. And then I proceeded to not watch it until last night.

Were you just like a really big switchback fan or what? I was, I mean, come on, man. You know, like carry out ways. Sure. It was like a, I looked, as a boy, I looked up to him. He was blonde and could shoot four arrows at once. I was going to say you are kind of a cross between the prince and princess bride and, or what the thief, I forget his name. The Dread Pirate Roberts.

The Dred Pirate Roberts. And Robin Hood, Men in Tights. I thought you were to say between Dread Pirate Roberts and Danny Glover. And then I would have agreed with you. But yeah, it was kind of exciting that there was like a fresh idea and it was getting released in theaters, which was a big thing. We, the three, Eric, no, sorry, not Eric, Chris, Andrew and I saw this in theaters. We were in college at the time. I stopped off at my college job and I talked to my now brother-in-law.

And he was like, oh, where are you going? You're so excited. He's like, you're actually comment. He's like, you're so excited. I'm going to see Shaw. And he was like, really? It was a real. Okay, man.

enjoy your day off. He went home and considered dumping your sister. This little nerd was excited to go see I saw I can't deal with this shit. I'm so excited. A new horror movie. And I guess I too was like,

ooh, Carrie Elways. I will say this, because I feel like over the years I may have made a joke about this on the air before. Carrie Elways, not as puffy in this movie as I remembered him being.

For whatever reason, because I saw this in theaters. Because we're getting puffy so we're just like, He kind of looks like me. Oh, who is that skinny guy on screen? He was looking pretty spell. He's also trying to hold in that Australian accent,

and it makes him just look like he's holding in. He's English. He's English and the noted Fespian Lee Wanel is Australian. He's Australian. And Juan is also Australian. Yeah, Australian and English, it's all the same shit. Oh, don't tell them that. So if you're living under Iraq, this series is about two gentlemen

stuck in a bathroom together trying to figure out their way out. This is crazy because it's exactly how Steve and I became friends. There's two guys stuck in a bathroom trying to figure out

to get out of getting out. Chain to the floor. Steve got elbow deep in a shitty toilet. A body between us. You two are the shittiest ones. Now you'll shit forever. Let's see if you could take a dump.

They're stuck in a bathroom and they have to figure out why they're there and how to get out some sadistic monsters holding them there for reasons unknown unknown man big old question mark and I'll tell you what you know this movie would be kind of more interesting you take a little more of a risk

if we cut out these fucking flashbacks yeah if it was just like oh do you see that new horror movie where they're just in this room and shit keeps happening to them this thing is structured like garbage just dump it anywhere you fucking like man I kind of love how much you fucking hate this shit

it's great it's sloppy as hell. Like there are huge passages that break up tension. You build tension up and then he breaks it completely to go to these mundane scenes where nothing fucking happens. Yeah. Well, let's be fair now. You've seen a few of these now. This is probably the best one, right?

It has to be. It has to be. I've only seen the one. I am of the mind that none of them are good. Okay. There isn't even, even in contract, it's all zero. I'll tell you, I'll tell you from top to bottom. Here's why I would say one is better. And I've only seen one through and I think I tried to watch four

and it was like tall glasses of water just took me right to bed but they all after this first one get really torture porny this one is not as torture porny but you see the seedlings of it here yeah but like these things like these sequels really amp up that shit

and at least in this movie there's like mystery to it a little bit there's more going on than just like Eli Roth's wet dream yeah so some people like this movie i just want to get that out of the way that's okay to like this i don't know anybody use the uh use the gift of eric saying that yeah well we never said it on the air giffy uh com slash weird movies we shot a bunch of uh animated gifs yeah gifts at anyway yeah find out if we're fatter than we think we are or skinnier than we think you are dead on

or you might be dead on figure out if we're fatter than carrielle was I'm not finer than you, you bastard! You bastards! He's doing a lot of yelling in this movie. Eric, what are you saying? I was about to bring up, you mentioned Eli Roth's wet dream, and it created a vivid image in my mind

that I think Hostel was around this time too, right? Hostel was like 2005? Yeah, I think that was maybe like probably greenlit the cause of this. Oh, okay, yeah. And that movie stinks. That's also a shitty movie. you are correct yeah that is that's 05

but I only think that one only got like three or four in and then they stopped it there's only three I also like Hostel 2 less interesting because literally the only cool thing about hostile is it's happening to guys you know what I mean it's like oh wow it's like what you'd kind of expect

any shitty horror movie and also this movie as well to that point where it's like oh wow you know just we're cutting up pretty ladies and then Hostel 2 it's yep we're cutting up pretty ladies well can I begin They go back to dudes, though. Sorry, Kevin, but it's... More or less, because if I'm remembering correctly,

the third movie takes place in Las Vegas, and the dudes involved in the hostiling are attending a bachelor party. So, yeah, it's Hostel Three back to dudes. Sorry, what I'm saying, Kevin? Like, this is like the old resentful man as mass murderer. Like, wait, Dick Cheney?

You're talking about Dick Cheney? Yes, Dick Cheney. is the jigsaw. Want to play a game? I'm going to put these two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq and a room together.

Want to go hunting with me? Better wear orange. Wait, so what are you saying? Okay, so the first we find the detectives go down in a room and it's a big, a guy stuck in a thing full of jigs,

of like razor wire. Was he a great big fat person? And we find out that the reason he did, the reason Jigsaw did this was because this guy tried to commit suicide. Yeah. So like it is like that four chan culture of like going after somebody like, oh, you didn't like, oh, you commit suicide, you don't like you don't like your life. Well, then you should be dead.

Then you deserve to die. Well, because it's also that, but also he's got like terminal brain cancer is the other thing or whatever the fuck. But that's Jigsaw, not the guy in this first one. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying, but that's like, that's his whole thing is like, oh, yeah, you don't know how good you have it. I'm going to fucking die and you just want to commit suicide. You know, but this guy, because this is kind of like a flashback we do see because Kerry always was suspected in this crime because he, like a pen of his was left at the scene, a penlight. Yes. And that guy wanted to kill himself and he's in this razor wire thing. And if he could crawl out through the razor water, try to live,

or he could stay there and die. I think it's a gas. Yeah. He's always using gas. You know what? If I was in a jigsaw thing, I'm just standing still until I die. Because it seems like the easiest way to die. You know, like...

Yeah, I'll just fall asleep quietly. Gas or whatever. Eventually, this guy will get upset and electrocute me or shoot me in the head. And that's fine by me. Yeah, I also feel... Exactly. That's the move. It's like, yeah, man, whatever.

And also, like, if you look at the structure, movie, which is, you know, Lee Wannel and Carrie Elway's in this thing, like this movie could easily not happen because so much hinges on like we, Lee Wannel, getting the tape recorder, like, he has to like take his shirt off and then put like the

bath, the bathtub thing. I wouldn't have got that. I would have been like, hey man, what's your story? Yep. You're sitting in there for like two days and then just on the PA. Would you maybe like to check out the tub? There might be a clue in the tub. Dude, that's kind of like

when you're like you get fucked over on a video game and it's just just standing there and some like NPC comes up and it's like hey wanted to check out behind that painting Steve this is your fifth extension did you get the key from the village you know maybe if you go back to the village

you might find the key you know that that dead guy in the center looks really interesting maybe you should check his person he might have some pieces of interest for you you don't have enough money for this bow and arrow maybe you should check the forest for the money for the arrow.

And that's what I love too, actually, because the dude in the command center is Michael Emerson from Lost and he'd just be like on that microphone all annoyed, just like, why don't you check his pocket? Check it. How about the pocket?

Christ, Christ. No, use the... Fuck! Oh, no, he lost it. Jake saw he lost the hook on the bathtub. I don't know. The stopper in the bath. The thing that clogs the thing

to make the water right. All right. put a new hook in the room. Just give us 20 minutes. Everybody close your eyes. Well, the funny thing, I like to imagine, because the first shot of the movie is Lee Wannel waking up in a bathtub. Which how, what is the logistics for this?

Well, I feel like Jigsaw like gently places him in a tub and like, pieces him on the head and he's like, do well, my baby. And he puts him in a bathtub and he wakes up, he freaks out. That's the only way that works, right? Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise you're drowning, right? Well, it's just weird, right?

And what is Carrie-O is this deal? How does he not, like, see all this happen? Oh, because I think he's supposed to be, like, knocked unconscious or something? They were both knocked on conscious. More of that famous jigsaw gas, dude. By the way, I think this dude is said it works at a mannequin factory. Where's he getting all this lethal gas from?

I mean, you find out in the- You fucking steal it from the penguin? And the fourth one, you find out he's a famed civil engineer. Oh, come on. I've got a working theory. Who works at a mannequin factory? No. Oh, jigsaw, in this movie, we come to find out all these traits about them, those are among them.

But, you know, the gadgets, he likes wearing wizard cloaks. Yes. He's got, like, knives up his sleeves and, uh, you know. He's got baraka, baraka knives. He does. He's obsessed with, like, uh, animal masks and, like, Victorian-esque puppets. He's a steampunk. He is a steampunk.

He is a fucking steampunk. He totally is. He's like a Seb Gorka fucking times five. Oh, God. No, Chris Cabin. You've seen more of these movies than I have. I only saw the first one. Please tell me one of them takes place on an airship.

You're going to be disappointed. The only way you can defeat me is with this giant key. Actually, that'll be awesome, dude. If one of these saw sequels took place in that John Frankenheimer movie and they're on the Goodyear blimp and he's like, I'm going to crash this into the Super Bowl. You better do something about it, Danny Glover. Well, he became the saw killer.

because no monocle would fit his eyes. Oh, that's a shame. And there's no local top hat shops. There's no local habadashry? That's a real problem. Also, big problem for me with this movie, we're taking place in a fake city. Are we really?

Yeah, because at one point they look... It's seven city, come on. It is. Like, they look at a map, and it just says, Mid City. Fuck you, set it somewhere. Welcome to SteamCon at Mid City.

Were you there? Now, I might have missed that Mid-City, detail, but I did watch this movie. I want to reassure listeners, because in this sequence, both actors, Carrie Elways, and Lee... Adam will call him.

Yeah. The actors and the characters in this scene, when they're talking to each other, they are breathing. It's true. Yeah. At least for now. We never know where the game's going to take us. Lee Wanal, I should also say, so he wrote this movie. He's clearly a

better writer than an actor. I really like most most of that insidious franchise yes um and he directed the third insidious movie as well and he plays like the one of the bit characters in it he's one of like the buster one of the the people who can touch the ghost you know it's my favorite i know what you're going for it's say it on three say it on one two three the bye bye bye man oh he's great in the bye bye man oh is he in the bye bye man oh is he's like the guy at the start right yes he is oh is he the guy for the second he's like he's not the titular bye by by man No, he's like this dude. He's like, he's like a victim of the bye-bye man or like the 50s or 60s.

And he's just like going crazy. He's just like the bye-bye man, man, man. That's a straight tune. Oh, shit. Wait, so who's playing the bye-bye man, Danny Glover? Doug Jones. Our good friend, Dougie Jones. Oh.

Dougie Jones. Coffee. Coffee. Bye-bye coffee. So. Jerry, buy, coffee. I don't know. Does he talk like that?

No, he doesn't talk. Nothing at all? Dude, not a word? It's the worst, like, conceived villain you'll ever see. Wasn't it just a rip-off of Slender Man? Kind of sort of. But there's zero explanation. And there's more

cloaks. Also Jigsaw in this fucking cloak man. He looks like he's about to get into a fucking boxing ring. He does. He was like Daredevil's dad. We're in a pig mask. He was like battling Jack Murdoch. It's just too much shit. There's a lot. There's a lot. The pig face

mask is one step too far. So we wake up and you know, we're trying to figure it out. Ironically enough, the first thing you see is Adam's key actually go down the drain. Right.

But this movie's so like murky and grainy because it is shot on films so you can't even fucking tell what the hell you're looking at. There's a lot of who are you, who are you for like a long time? And apparently jigsaw is like,

here's my thing. This guy's got cancer. Sure. You know, this is when we take place like two hours, maybe three hours. There's a clock. It goes for a little clock in the movie.

It goes for six hours. Six hours. Right. It's like midnight. He is staying still the entire time. Are you fucking getting me? The cramps you would have jigsaw. No, but listen, dude.

What if you fart? You know, you're going to sneeze. You would definitely be farting. I'm sorry. It's just going to happen. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Corpse's fart. Do they piss themselves, too?

Yes. Randomly? They do it all at once. They do it at the start. Farting does happen. It's all this tension and, like, there's a fart, and then all of a sudden you hear, you know, corpse's fart.

It's fine. I wouldn't worry about it. This is from the PA. This is the PA. You, uh, you, uh, the dead people fart. Hey, hit play on that tape recorder again. Click.

Corpspses fart, you know. That, that twist of just how he was in the room the whole time is just, it doesn't, it makes no fucking sense. But, listen. It adds nothing. Listen, I will tell you,

sitting in that theater 13 years ago. Ooh, it's a creepy number. When he, yeah, oh yeah, man, lucky 13. When he stands up, I remember like... Shit in yourself? No, but I remember thinking like, fucking great twist. You know what?

Fucking great twist. Hey, yeah, you guys seeing this? You see this great twist? And watching it this time, this is only the second time now that I've ever seen it. I was just like, ah, that doesn't really hold up.

That's impractical. You would get cramps. Like, you would do, oh, God, oh, man. But he does kind of do. like a stretch it out like oh boy another hard day's work at the bathroom factory not one like Jimmy leg like a good stretch

you need come on hiding in plain sight stupid genius Michael Emerson turn the lights on I gotta go to the bathroom you know Michael Emerson I don't know if they could hear me but just turn the lights out real quick do you think there were like previous games where he's just like no I can't do it I can't do it

oh yeah dude this is like version 12 or do you think he was like that fucking astronaut lady he's wearing a diaper the whole time. Oh, it's because she's driving across country because she kidnap somebody? He's probably wearing a diaper. He's an excellent joke from the era this movie came out. Exactly. Wow, that's actually pretty true. But no, it doesn't matter.

He can piss and shit himself at all times because, one, they're not paying attention to the frequency in which urine is falling out of this corpse. I would notice, no, that guy didn't lose his 23 grams. 21 grams. 21 grams. Hey, that guy still got

his soul. That guy still got that I mean, that place has to smell like absolute shit. That's the most unbelievable part of this movie is that Lee Wannel and Carrie Elway's characters and Jigsaw himself are not gagging this entire time because you just look. This movie

starts out. One of the most frightening things about this movie is that disgusting toilet. Ooh, spooky toilet. Homage to train spotting. Oh, god, yes. You know what? Just because someone sticks their arm in a shitty toilet doesn't mean it's an homage to train This was the biggest toilet, but this was the biggest bathroom I've, like, ever seen.

I was jealous of this square footage. Well, this is what's weird, though, about this bathroom. I spied a couple of urinals, but then there's just this freestanding toilet, no stall walls. I think it's like a Japanese one where, like, you also can shower in there, too. Well, there's the tub. Why would you have urinals in a tub? Yeah, so that even lands more credence for that. Is this before they condemned CBGBs?

Is this what it looked like? No, dude, this is the fucking bathroom at Mars Bar. Do you remember that? Well, there was more blood in that institution than there is in this place. So, yeah, Lee Wannel gets the tape recorder through a series of events that I would never figure out. Also, by the way, great twist ending this movie that doesn't happen. They're a gay couple in an escape room, and they're playing it like really straight the whole time. And then at the end, they're like, wow, we really did.

It's great, great job. That would be pretty awesome, dude. That's actually a way better twist. Anybody ever do it an escape room? I never have it. I want to so bad. What is an escape room? It's based, I mean, you can say it.

It's just basically you go, they have a Malta of the city. I'm sure they have a malta out of the country where you basically go inside of a room. They make up a puzzle and a game for you to figure your way out of a room. And what if you never figure it out? Oh, they shoot you in the head. Lost a lot of friends that way. I mean, it's big with like birthday parties and then like offices do them as like team building exercises and shit. I think the big, I don't know if it's a chain, but like in the city they call it like escape the room or something like that.

They chain you, right? Yeah, no, I think there's actually a saw cosplay one that you can do. Maybe Jigsaw isn't dead in the third one, Chris. He was like, you know, I could franchise this. Everybody's fucking knocking me off, man. I've got to get my own out there. Maybe people would like to have fun after going to TGI Fridays. Maybe it's your 30th birthday and you're not really a strip club kind of guy, you know.

Maybe you want to have a little adventure. Maybe you want to have a strip club adventure and an escape the room adventure. But yeah, it's one of those things One of these movies where like they're What's that like April Fool's Day is kind of that Where we're all playing It's like a fake thing Like everyone's acting

And then at the end you realize They've been acting the whole time Right The game. The game exactly Yeah actually that's what's kind of funny Like if Saw was just like a really low rent version of the game

Yeah Something like the lower middle class could participate in Man imagine if Saw was just a low rent David Fincher movie That would be I can't even I can't even close my eyes And imagine that let me tell you the fucking filters on this movie especially when we get into whenever there's police work happening so it's um it's danny glover and uh ken lung also from lost by the way and dina mire or is she in the second one no dina mire is in this she kind of comes to nothing she's just like there sometimes but the that character i think does come back in the sequel's in a bigger she's in all of them up until fourth um but uh what the hell was oh so whenever we're

releasing in this movie. There's like this disgusting green filter on. You can keep it. You can just keep it. And it's just like it's so seven. Like the whole thing. It's this guy. He's preaching. He's punishing. Blobody, blah. There's even a fat guy that gets murdered. Yeah, there's that that's that fat guy in the room full of barbed wire. He's the first one. And also another thing that doesn't really come to anything is that jigsaw actually cuts out jigsaw pieces of flesh from people. What are we doing? And why does he do that at the end? Like, oh, shit, wait, hold on. Let me stay there at him. Hold on. I got to put my whole John Hancock on here.

I thought he was called Jigsaw because at the end it turns out like it's not the dude you think it is the whole movie like he's got multiple people doing this stuff to each other. What does that have to do with being Jigsaw? That's like a puzzle. A puzzle box.

Yeah. Well, may I bring up one point of this movie that drives me absolutely insane how he posits that I'm not murdering these people. They killed themselves. Oh, right. Yeah.

Like, even someone else says that. No, that's, yeah, jigsaw doesn't say that in the first movie. I think it's Ken Longer's. One of them is, like, technically he's making people commit suicide. Which is complete nonsense. No, because you're giving them a situation where you'll either die or die even worse. So, yes, you're killing this person. If you put somebody in a room and pump poisonous gas into the room, you are killing them.

That's the fucking end of it. I think Sean Spicer would argue you on that, but okay. Oh, I'm sorry, that was a killing center. I kind of imagine, for me, it would be like I'd be at a pizza place and I'd order three slices of pizza and jigs. I'd be like, now, Stephen, one of these slices, the third slice is poison. Can you eat just two slices of pizza? No, you can eat any two slices, but the third one of any kind will be too fine.

Then I would be killing myself because that's me testing myself. Right, yeah, exactly. The first two are cheese. The last one has pepperoni. Oh yeah I'm as good as dead So yeah We followed Danny Glover for a while

Because basically like Carrie Alwis is like Oh I think I know who this guy is Right And like Carrie Alwiz is actually like the first suspect In one of these We also watch The reverse bear trap scene

Which is kind of the most famous one of these Yes And this is a quote That's what sold it for me Yeah Because I'm all about inventive deaths Sure So like that I was like okay

I haven't seen anything like that before Sure And again, it's a situation where he puts his reverse bear trap on this lady's head, reverse bear trap. He's going to press her head if she doesn't figure her way out of it. And she has to cut what she thinks is a dead body. There's a key inside of it. But then the guy starts moving and it's like, oh, man, she killed this dude. It's like, well, then, you know.

Well, did you notice, by the way, that when they're in the flashback, like, showing this woman being questioned, like, she's wearing a visitor badge. So she was not brought up on any charges for murdering. No, no, no, no. and that's she's played by Shawnee Smith who everyone knows from Becker I was gonna say everybody knows from who's Harry Crown

No, the sitcom Becker Oh she's on Becker She was on like every episode She was like the Becker's right hand lady Oh really? Was she like the funny lady on that show? Yeah she was like administering the office I think Yeah she was a bit yeah she was no Bob

But she's pretty good I was watching the most recent episode of the New Curb which has been awesome, by the way. And Ted Danson's getting, like, bullied by some dude in, like, a road rage thing. And he's like, hey, don't you recognize me? I'm Ted Danson. And he uses Becker first. Yeah.

He's like, come on, you know me from Becker. And then the dude, like, gets in the car. And then he pulls the Cheers card. That's pretty funny. Cheers first, man. Come on. Becker. Cheers first.

Becker. Becker. Meade in America, then Cheers. So, like, she actually gets through this. She's like, the only people that ever makes it through. Jigsaw's machinations. And apparently she was a drug addict and then Jigsaw like cured it.

I mean, I don't, I feel like if I killed someone, my, I would be more apt to do more drugs. Oh, of course you would. You're going right back. Of course you would. And also, this is the rudest Danny Glover ever gets in this movie because you, like, first of all, Carrie always is cleared on all suspicions, which is fine.

And then Danny Glover's like, hey, will you hang around? We want you to see something. And this makes no sense because Carrie Elway's is just a doctor. He has no ability to, like, weigh in on this case at all. I think that, because Danny Glover thinks it's Carrie Elway's the whole time no matter what. Oh, is that what it is? Well, so he makes him watch this interrogation of Danny Elway's, my God, in heaven. Danny Glover goes...

That's, I guess, what I'm getting mixed up about. Carrie Glover. Oh, Carrie Glover, of course. He goes into this interrogation room and he goes, you are in. fact a drug addict come on also when this woman's trying to get the fucking bear trap thing off

her head yeah did you guys notice the smattering of lion roar sounds that are going in it's that there's like it's like the frenzy effect that he does it's like bad nine inch nails music also yes oh there is so much fart metal

in this man fart industrial probably fart industrial actually what probably some fear factory actually oh they you don't have fear factory money man no they definitely do dude because they got fear factory money the song at the end credits is a fear factory too oh is it it 100% is that sucks fart factory more like fart factory oh god I'm a real fart factory today why did I why today when I have to spend six hours still did I have to have those beans hot dogs and beans chigsaw crap crap crap crap crap crap I want to play a game

Hurry up. Do you want to or not? I'll be back at 20 minutes. You decide if you want to play a game. I'll be right back. I'll hear it from the other room. You know what? It takes way too long to get to in this movie. This fucking puppet. What's what? What? Why even have a puppet? Just use a PA system. The puppet is way too much. Like the pig mask is way, way too much. The puppet is too much. The puppet is too much. Well, let me tell you, when you get to the fourth one, there's huge symbolic importance to both the

fucking toy and the big mass. There was way too much of a pause there, Cabin, and I thought you were talking about the symbolic nature of the fucking, and I was like, what fucking? Did I miss the fucking? Welcome to the fuck room. You're going to give each other STDs. Want to play a sex game?

Oh, yeah. Well, that's... Spin the bottle. Tickle time. This is basically the scene from seven, like over and over and over again. He made me fucker. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's... Yeah, that's definitely That might have been jigsaw. That might have been unrelated. Unrelated.

Kevin Spacey was set up. He's Michael Massey in seven. Everyone comes in with a package and did their own. John Doe didn't do this one. That's our bad. I'm just a patsy.

Well, I met my old friend, Danny Glover, at the older African American cop conference. And oddly enough, we both have, we both have religious-themed serial killers that like to make puzzles out of people. Who would have guessed?

Yeah, what are the odds, actually? It's almost like the people who wrote one movie watched another movie a lot. Yeah. Many times, many, many times. Yeah, I just don't know with this puppet, man. Like, the puppet, the puppet is twofold. If you want the puppet in, like, the video segments of your thing,

fine. But then, like, when you beat the game And the puppet makes a personal appearance on the tricycle. That's a bit too much because, listen, one of, like, the greatest secrets in movie history is how the Henson people made Kermit and Ms. Piggy do the tandem bicycle in Muppets Take Manhattan and something like nobody wants to know

because it's like magic. And they were putting a room together and they had to fuck or murder each other. But listen, these are, like, movie professionals that make that scene in Muppets Take Manhattan. This is a dude who lives in a mannequin factory. and this fucking puppet just fucking cycles out on this tricycle

and it's talking? It's way too much. It shows you that James Wan understands the horror audience. You have to have an iconic image. But you can't have two. They're up against each other. You either get pig mask

or you get the jigsaw puppet. The jigsaw puppet was way bigger than the pig mask. Or you're jumping Jack Murdoch. I mean, I don't know. Get that fucking boxing bathrobe out of here. first of all that's the best one just the fucking wizard cloak

boxing robe or I would then go pig mask very bottom I would say you know what I would put above that fucking doll is the titular saw when they bring up the saw and it's just like oh no these won't work on the chains he wants us to saw our legs

you just take a sharpie and put eyes in a mouth on the saw yeah it's like clippy let me tell you the puppet was the thing that was making the posters but these movies have some of the worst fucking posters, man, because it's all just fucking fingers and teeth and shut up. Finger nails and whatever else. It's like, oh, it's pretty gross, you guys.

It's bad. It's bad. It's real bad. But just, yeah, the puppet, it's just, and here's how you make the puppet relevant. We were talking about this off the air. Jigsaw dies in this first movie, right? Sequel is the spirit of this man goes inside the puppet.

And then the puppets walking around doing stuff. I would love a supernatural. Jigsaw 2 Supernatural Puppet. He does live at the end of this film. No, I'm saying you kill him.

You kill him at the end. And the twist ending is the puppet wakes up and just goes, what to play a game. I think it's up and starts dancing through the credits.

I would have to say that and make it better because one of the biggest issues is how self-serious these movies are. Oh, he's super grim. Haunted PA system instead. Yes.

I'm trapped in this in this speaker. Like Ghost in the Machine type situation. No, don't throw out the speaker. You wouldn't like that. Oh, good. I've been bought by a roller ring. I guess I'm, oh, now it went out of business.

Now I'm sitting in a thrift store for 10 years. That's what it is, dude. I'm a homeless man's toilet. It's kind of like the Hellraiser movies. People just keep coming across the puzzle box, right? People just keep handing down this PA system to different venues. Well, it's the Jewish, it's the Jewish recreational center.

Ha-4 haunted JCC. Absolutely. That'd be great. That would be pretty great. Want to step on a glass? Oh, oh. Not what you expected. Want to become a man. Oh my God. Him jigsaw conducting a breast, maybe. Yes. Want to trim a dick. Oh, awful. So, yeah, so basically, like, Adam, who is Lee Wannel, who is supposed to be the comic relief character.

I don't need it. He's got a lot of one-liners. And, like, just hire any working actor to fill in here. Like, any, there's got a lot of people from Lost or whatever, just anybody. Because I get it. You're so excited, man. Like, you wrote this script. You guys did the short, and I'm sure he acted in the shorts.

Because that's what this was. Yes. You got to get somebody else. you can do the bit parts and insidious because you have like two lines of film and it's fine

also you know switch him with Michael Emerson who has a really small role like if Michael Emerson is Adam and he just happens to be this Zapp Cochran

whatever this fucking that fucking name dude and it's it's Michael Emerson is Zepram Cochran or is it Zep something I think it's just Zep

it's Zep something they do say his last name he has a name but everybody at the hospital just calls him Zep. Zep. And Hello Zep apparently

is the theme to the Saw movies. That was the name of the track of the first soundtrack. Oh, Jesus. What? What song?

The song at the end? It's just, it's not the Fear Factory. It's just like a score they made for this movie. And it's just that track is called Hello Zep. That's dumb.

Yeah. So, yeah, Zep works at Cariel Ways' Hospital, who's played on Michael Emerson. And, like, Michael Emerson is like kind of, it's kind of shitty

because he's like, oh man, that jigsaws a really, like, he's like, Carrie always, like, crassly going over his jigsaw's case, and he's like, he's a really nice guy, you know, if you get to sit down and talk with him. His name is Bob. It was John. John. Oh, yeah. John Kramer.

Oh, man, you're just watching these sequels. I have, man. I'm in a state of psychosis at this point. Carrie always was referring to him as like, oh, the patient is exhibiting this and that and that, and it's like, hey, his name's John. No, but you know what?

Carrie always is, of course, making the right move because you can't get close to these people. Exactly. And he's got a bunch of med students. Like, he's teaching people. He can't just be like, oh, this is, you know, John Fru-da-D-B-D-D-B-D. Yeah, exactly. Like, who gives this shit? You got to train these people to be heartless fucks that don't give a shit insurance or get out of here.

Like, you have to train him to do that early on. It goes back to the fucking, this old resentful fuck, like being rude as a crime. Like, that's what fucking he was. Oh, you didn't say yes. You said say hello to me at the grocery store. The asshole with the code on the wall and the light and the candle thing. Oh, right. That guy just called in sick to work.

Is that what his crime was? He's like, he's like, you pretended like you were sick, but you weren't. That's literally it. That's literally it. I don't think it was calling into work. I think it was like faking. Like maybe it was like a George Costanza pretending you needed that cane kind of a thing. But then he should definitely have been executed.

Like, what the fuck cares? I'm just saying it. It wasn't him playing hooky that got him wrapped up in the jigsaw situation. I saw you carrying that rascal scooter. You claimed that you needed it to get around. You brought that shopping cart home. Now you use it for your own personal use. Now I put you inside of a shopping cart, figure it out.

You took a penny, and then the next day you went back to that bodega and you didn't leave a penny. So now I'm stuffing pennies up your ass. I guarantee you. You know, Jigsaw comes out this weekend. I guarantee you there's something about millennials in their cell. It's like, oh, the kids these days. I try to have lunch with my grandson. He spent the whole time looking at his darn phone.

You bought a $9 cup of coffee. Better rip your face off. You were virtue signaling. That's enough. What is that? Like pretending like you care about something to be popularized. Virtue signaling? you've done something like showing that you've done you have virtue right whenever you say rip someone

yeah yeah like but not ripd because we're always using that like you know sarcasticity we're not we're not virtue signaling like ripd jigsaw what's the what's the opposite of virtue i think that's us vice yeah oh oh vice signaling that's what we're doing every week good one hey speaking of bad lines just because you were saying like lee wanel's got a lot of them Way back just because Carrie always is like Hey I'm Dr. Lawrence Gordon Blah blah blah what's your name And to which Lee Wannell responds

My name is very fucking confused And that's something I want to talk about This movie Eric pointed out The script was written in 2001 This is still It's a very overwritten Talky Talks snappy Clever as fuck screenplay Oh absolutely

Man it just it just reminds you how much garbage 90s independent cinema there was. He has some long diatribe about some like vegan that he was dating and so on. It's a, it's a feminist vegan, uh, fuck, there was like a third one, I think. Yeah, and then like blah, blah, blah, she broke up with them. Environmentalists probably. Oh wait, feminist vegan punk. I was dating this feminist vegan punk and I think I also may have accidentally written and directed that free enterprise movie.

accidentally don't I seem like a character or something yeah um so Danny Glover is oh right Danny Glover is obsessively like looking at the jigsaw tape that he has this is one of my favorite details in this movie this is how he cracks the case the first time wide open uh it's him and he's like Ken Ken Lung's like hey man why don't you go out for a beer with the guys like one second man one second and he looks he's like do you see that piece of graffiti is that that K2K gang and he's like oh my god God, it is. They only control four blocks of territory in this town.

What a bunch. To quote, Wario, which I often do, what a bunch of losers. Go off four block territory. What are they in the orphans and the Warriors? Yeah, really. Just like one of the loser gangs in the Warriors, man.

All of those dudes couldn't be top dogs. There had to be some losers. Oh, they were losers. The K2K gang, man. They're just like, we go to 1st Street to 5th Street, and that is it. You will not catch me dead on 6th Street. Yeah, from my fucking mom's house to my uncle. One of the, like, properties that the K2K gang apparently occupied was this mannequin factory.

Oh, really? Yeah, well, that's how they figure out what the fuck was going on. Maybe Jigsaw came to say, hey, do you want to break into a fifth block? I can take over one of those gangs for you. Wait, I have to do an initiation. Well, do I have to... Can I just lay on the ground while it happens? I have to do what with the pickle?

I have to pick it up with my... What? Just get the fuck out of here. I'm a very sick man. So, yeah, he... Danny Glover figures out where this thing is, they go there, they find... Speaking of Seinfeld,

they find the guy... It's the fatigue. The fatigues guy, he's like strapped to a chair, and he's got two drills in his head. They're like going through Jigsaw's like workshop, but I kind of feel like Jigsaw comes out and he's like, no, no, don't judge that. It's not done yet. It's not finished.

Oh, no, you're fucking with a prototype. Can't judge something that's not finished. It's not fair. Work and practice. Rough draft. Oh, no, that's not what the finished new pig mask is going to look like. Oh, I'm so embarrassed. That's a temp. It's a temp. It's a temp score.

Wasn't supposed to debut this in front of the police for another week. Front of the police. But honestly, what do you think? Honest opinion. Honest opinion on the pig head. Constructive criticism. You know, it's not done yet.

I just want to, you know, a lot of rough ideas. Danny Glover's like, I think you're a sick asshole. He says assholes so many times and it's hilarious. I got to fight you on this, dude. It's not funny? You texted about that and I was like, I'm the last to rewatch it. Unless I'm crazy, I counted one actual asshole. No, he's calling him.

You sick asshole. He says like six times. Maybe I'm crazy. I wasn't on a count. I did not know to look out for assholes. I was on my toes and I only spied one asshole. I don't know. I mean,

it is very memorable. I even remember. Cabin, you got to get the asshole count, man. You should rewatch it again. Go back to this. Your piece is going to live and die by the asshole count.

Exactly. But stop. What movie you're up to? Four. Okay, you're going to watch four now. Are you watched four? I watched four.

So five. and on. You still have three movies to watch. Are you going to see this new one in theaters before you publish the piece? I mean, I'm publishing it the week that Jigsaw comes out. Could you get the asshole count in the last three that you have yet to watch?

I can get an asshole count on those. I want you to stop your article dead and list how many times people say ass. Okay, I will be sure to do that. One of the details in this scene is they come across like a little diorama of the saw movie. and it's so bad because it's not even to scale

it's like three Ken dolls in a shoebox what are you gaining from this it's Sawd Jr., dude it was his little kid was making little models I think you should be the M&M metallic swing no I'm gonna get bigger drills

bigger drills eventually for this so this guy's got like the drills going down into his head yeah and like Jay DeBelamy is the guy's name So, like, Jigsaw, they find this guy, and then they realize Jigsaw is coming home from work or whatever, and they're like, they could stop him right there, but Danny Glover, for some reason, is like, I want to see what he does. And I'm like, what do you need? There are so many people in this movie that are just, they like holding guns. They don't ever fucking shoot one.

Just like, shoot him in the gut, let him bleed out. He can still tell you shit. Yeah. So Ken Lung, he gets obsessed. or like frustrated with like trying to figure out however it is you stop this thing so he just shoots these two drills yeah and in the fracas uh jigsaw like let's loose this fucking baraka knife and cuts Danny Glover's throat man cut how could that voice get any raspier that's my question uh and then there's like kind of a chase thing and Ken Lung's like

running after him and this is kind of the best death in the movie oh big time easily it's just Home security. It's not even like a, oh, it's not part of my traps. Dude, this is just like some fucking redneck's house in Florida. The shotgun shower. It's like a cobweb of shotguns. Yeah, because that's, it's actually kind of a smart thing, right? Because he's got like the trip

wire, but then there's a bunch of cobwebs and isn't there another tripwire in the cobwebs? I think so. Because he's like trying to get through these, he's like, ewe spiders, and he pulls the thing down and nine shotguns take this dude's head off. It's great. I mean, honestly, though jigsaw like you better not be getting drunk

like oh man I got really wasted wait which is the shotgun hallway well that's that was my question he comes in with the robe on the robe and pig mask was he driving like that that's a great question or was

he stopping when he got out of his car to put on the rope and the big mask wait wait does just carry always work in the Seinfeld hospital where Kramer sees the pig man It's very possible. I think this is a connected universe.

It is. And Tobin Bell was in Seinfeld. That's right. He played, uh, what did you say? It's the episode is the old man. And it's when Kramer and Newman take the old guy's records and try to sell him at this record store. They start insulting him, right? I think he's supposed to be like a bleaker bob type guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can give you $5 for that. He gave you $5. So, uh, he does get away. Danny Glover becomes obsessed. We also cut back to Monica. Potter who happens to be in this movie. By the way, great female characters.

It's really strong. Oh, no. They're just totally kidnapped the entire. It's Monica Potter and his angelic baby daughter who is dressed like she's fucking on Little House of the Prairie for this whole goddamn movie. Dude, I thought it was a ghost from the others. Like, come on.

I thought it was the Walton's. Yeah, it's her. She's like trying to go to sleep. She's like, I think there's a guy in my room. And by the way, parents, I know that this happens a lot. I think there's somebody in my room. You always have to do, it's kind of a double-edged sword, right? You do the fake, like, I'm checking the closet, no monsters in the closet.

It's a two-prong thing. One, you're assuring the kid, and also two, you're like, just in case Michael Emerson is in my closet right now. I will check the closet. Not only creeps, but demons and other sorts. And Michael Emerson. Children are natural prey for not only demons, but aliens and all types of all types of. Yeah, the by-by-man, of course. You know, Frederick Krueger?

That's why, dude, I mean, kids fucking freak me out, man. But if I was, like, sleeping and a kid came into my room and was like, hey, there's a man in my room. Did the man send you and you'd kill a kid? I would not laugh it off as like, oh, whatever, kid just go back to bed. I would furiously shit my pants. You would be like Homer Simpson, like, kids, I don't want to worry.

There might be a boogie man or boogie man in the house. Exactly, dude. It would cut up me. with the kid behind a table in the bedroom with a shotgun. The mattress is up on its end. I just imagine the double tree in every night being like, up, there's Andrew again.

Andrew of the two kids. Okay, yep. That's it. We'll give me the night rate, buddy. There's a bed in my house. Yeah, it would fucking freak me out. Why don't you just buy a Louisville slugger? Yeah, you could take down Michael Emerson with a baseball bat. Not Fred Kruger, though. So, yeah, like, Carrie Alway's is like, oh, there's no one

in your room. Oh, I'm American. No, there's no one your room. He's trying his best and he looks around he does not look in the closet where Michael Emerson is and as he's leaving Monica Potter is like hi I'm a character in this movie he's like oh hey how's it going we're having issues hi

yeah I guess we're having marital issues or something who gives a shit I guess that's why he's kidnapped initially is because he was having a fair with a med student he didn't I don't know there was there was fucking was it definitely it was because he was going to break it off is what it was

That's why he was so apprehensive about telling his alibi to the police is because he didn't want to cause marital issues, which obviously... Ten years ago on a cold dark night. It's that song. Long Black Vail? No. Yeah, I'm not familiar.

The song is about... Sing the whole thing. Are you fucking singing me? Sing the whole fucking song. Say the fucking word. The song is about a dude who's accused... He's accused of murder. Uh-huh.

And he can easily get off if he just... tells the police that at the time of this murder, he was in the arms of his best friend's wife. I mean, that's honestly, I've watched enough murder documentaries and whatever. Your best case scenario is you've had an affair. That's like, great. It's like, oh, that's perfect.

I was totally fucking somebody else. Yes, exactly. By the way, you just said that, I think I know where this bathroom is. It's the same warehouse and reservoir dogs. Like, Mr. Orange is bleeding out two fucking doors down. There was an ear on the floor.

for some reason. Ah, man. So, yeah, Danny Glover is like a man obsessed. This is a weird thing because, like, the timing of all of this stuff in this movie is so obnoxious. We're jumping all over the place. Who cares? You kind of assume, at least I did,

that, like, Danny Glover was dead at that throat cut. And then it cuts to the present day, and there's Danny Glover. He's, like, camping out across the street from Cario's apartment. He's gone. And he's got, like, a scar across his throat. And you're like, all right, so I guess now this

is present day, Danny Glover. Gone full shuttered windows. He's got a plastered like all the killings Jigsaw has done on his wall. Which I mean shit, man. Jigsaw. For the amount of work and theatricality you have to put into a

jigsaw game, this dude is so fucking prolific. Oh yeah, man. That's why I actually, the only thing that's good about it, finding out that he was a famous civic engineer is because you would need cash to do all this shit. I just won the lottery

I guess I could kill a bunch of people. Yeah, man. I mean, son of Sam just walked out, rocked around with a gun and fucking talk to dogs. He could do that on a mailman salary. That's not what real men do. Real men build murder toys. Murder diorama.

What is the plural of diorama? Shut up, it's a toy. That diorama is pretty poor, though. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Hang on a second. So this first movie, we see that fucking diorama and then you're telling me the sequels posit he was a civil engineer? I don't think so.

That shit is not adding up, dude. Did you see this thing? Not just a silly... It looks like a celebrity death match. A famed engineer, like Time Magazine would put this guy in. Yeah, something like that. Is Time Magazine still doing that? I mean, they got bigger fish to fry.

No, not these days, but back in 2004, who knows. Yeah, I guess in movies, that you used to act like Time Magazine used to care about, you know, people who accomplished things and whatnot. Now it's just movie stars and politicians who were movie stars and... Movie stars who might become politicians. Politicians who used to be shitty movie producers who now have liver spots all over their face. So, yeah. There's a cell phone in that bathroom.

There's a lot of like, you know, who can you trust thing? Like, and I feel like I would, if I'm locked in a bathroom with some guy, I'm telling him everything. You have to. I mean, what do you have to lose? And like there's a cell phone that Carrie always deduces is only made for incoming calls, question. Well, because I guess he tries to open and it doesn't work, I guess. But yeah, I don't know. Is that a thing?

Is that a thing? It was a next challenge. Well, magic is a thing. Well, it's 2004. So I don't know. It might have been useful for drug. It would be cool if he just had

one of those little nextel chirps man remember those those were obnoxious why bother making a phone call when you can use a fucking cellular walkie talkie

obnoxious that was so fucking stupid oh obnoxious all the time with those things and it was like before text messaging so people would be like yo what's going on

yeah uh huh no I'm at I'm at the other KFC exactly the good one well no it was always drug dealers so I was like yeah what's up

now I don't have anything there's also what is the bit with like a fake point oh they try to fake out jigsaw at this point with like a cigarette that's poisoned think that like his what would turn out to be jigsaw's corpse they think it's like they're cyanide in the blood or whatever so that oh like this is part of the thing

like because jigsaw says like oh you don't have to shoot him to kill him there's other ways to kill him you know right So he thought it was a hint at, like, poison in the blood and then dip the cigarette into it and then toss it to him? He swaps them out. Right. It's a fake out. Oh, there was a cigarette swap? Oh, I miss that.

Well, because Adam, first and foremost, Adam sees cigarettes. It's like, oh, cool. And I'm like, are you kidding me, dude? Carey always says that. He's like, you're going to put something in your mouth that was in this bathroom? And it's like, yeah, exactly. But I guess it's this movie commenting on the addiction powers of nicotine. That's one of the reasons you're in here, buddy.

I mean, smoking. Honestly, ma'am, I'm about to hack off my foot. Give me the cigarettes. That's a good call. And what is the deal? So, Adam's flashback is he's like a little shutterbug who gets hired by Danny Glover to take pictures of karaoke always because Danny Glover is that fucking obsessed with him. Because he really thinks that he's the jigsaw killer. For some, like, it's the first and only lead that you had.

So I guess that's it. I guess so. But it's like thinking you're going to marry your first girlfriend. Come on. And he's living in the first. fight club apartment for some reason like it's just like this weird paper street nothing there's like he's making soap at night i mean like he i don't know is he poor is he not this place is enormous but like you know the walls are like caving in he's got like newspapers piling up i think he's going

south oh really well that's the thing though man when you live on the wrong side of the tracks like oh in mid city yeah dude when you live in a bad neighborhood in mid city you can get fucking primo real estate that's true a lot of square footage out there in mid city Mid-city. It's so dumb. Just say it's Los Angeles. No one will care. It's fine.

Maybe then also, if you say it's Los Angeles, this movie can go outside for a few minutes. That's not happening. Get some fresh air. Oh, man. You know, T.J. Hooker has a mid-city bar, so maybe this is set in the world of T.J. Hooker. If you got Shatner in this movie instead of, I mean, Danny Glover is great.

He is fantastic. Yep. But you get Shatner as an agent. T.J. Hooker. Oh, man, that'd be amazing. Like, he's seen it all before, but nothing like this. Dude, that's how T.J. Hooker should go out is getting murdered by Jigsaw. It's him in... Murder box. Well, no, it's him and Romano, and Romano gets his head blown off.

Romano gets the shotgun shower. I'll never forgive the Jigsaw killer for that. As the shotgun shower rained down on my partner, Romano. I would love that. He was only a scrappy 52 years old. neither of us have bothered to retire and have not been we've been passed over for promotion many times

they've given me three gold watches I keep showing up for work I can't take a hint we were very close we shared preparation H oh yeah they did oh ew well I don't know maybe in the murder box

dude listen if someone ever came up to me was like hey man can I borrow your preparation age I'd throw up Sergeant Hooker, are you ready to play a game? Put Preparation H on Romano's Anus. Oh, no, it's cyanide. So also, so Michael Emerson is like running around doing jigsaw's bidding, and he has the wife played by Monica Potter

and this fucking ghoulish daughter tied up to a bedpost. And the whole thing, the whole, the overall game at this point, by the way, we didn't mention this, is that Carrie Elway has to find a way to murder this dude Adam before 6 a.m. Or else the family is going to be murdered, is the idea. Yeah. Or he can cut his foot off and try to survive. Isn't that just another option? I don't know what that.

I think the saw is to get the gun. You have to, because he can't reach the gun. Okay. Yeah, he has to kill this dude. There's no way that Adam can win this thing. It's a game for Carrie Elway. By the way, they tried the saws on the chains. I would fall asleep trying to shit.

I would like, I would be so stupidly stubborn. I'm like, no, if I just keep doing it, if I just get. You know what they didn't do? Honestly, if you're really bothering me, I could hear the saw. It's really not going to work. No one tries to saw the padlocks, though. Yeah, they always do. They're just going after these big fucking.

Or the pipes. It was like the chains that could fucking hold the Titanic. That's a good point, Chris, like these rusty pipes. Yeah, I'd be saw on. all sorts of shit. But you're just that's the laziness of this movie

you're just supposed to assume well he thought of everything if he thought of the chains not being able to be stalked or clearly he thought of everything. He must be a genius. He must be. Kerry always even says that he's like

you have to first understand the brilliant design that you're stuck in before you could even hope to get out of it and Jigsaw's like oh fuck that was awesome this guy's sucking my dick

the body's laying on the middle of the floor it starts to rise up little bit because of the erection pounding into this tile the fucking ego heart on that this murder gets. This was totally worth shitting my pants

for. Maybe if I just move my hand a little bit, I'll jerk. No, no. You have to understand, Adam. We're clearly being held hostage by a brilliant civil engineer. If I just rub it against the tile, I'm going to get something going. I mean, it's

it's a perfect Machiavellian trap. Leonardo da Vinci couldn't invent something so brilliant that's what I want Renaissance Saul with Leonardo da Vinci doing all of his fucking crazy bicycles made to kill you

flying machine more like a death machine exactly like you want to test some equipment I am Leonardo da Vinci yeah Tobin Bell as Leonardo Ritchie fine with that oh sure let's spice up this franchise

like he paint and then like he paints their picture of everyone he's murdered You're like Mona Lisa was famously, like, decapitated. Well, this is, this is pretty, like. Famously decamped. Some horrible murder contraption. This is pre, like, deep, deep backstory. But I guarantee you, you could have fit in, like,

and his, he's the great, great, great, great, great grandson of Leonardo da Vinci. Yeah, that sounds about right. Look, Adam, that corpse is masturbating. That does, no, Adam. does happen they teach you that in medical school I'm a doctor Adam so so the call comes through and Carrie always is on the horn

with his family and Monica Potter is like don't believe Adam's lies which sets off like the next level of paranoia I guess they saw Memento as well who the fuck is Dodd there we get the flashback of Adam's apartment where Jigsaw is like

he puts the puppet there and like it starts doing a creepy laugh and like Adam's hitting over the thing and then like jigsaw's in the closet with the fucking puppet mask or the pig mask please you know I I'm not I'm not innocent here too I'm kind of a bit of a pig you know I want everyone to see what a pig I am these are supposed to be expressive of my inner world my therapist says if I use this I could people could see me for who I am and you know I can work through these these overreating issues that I have

This apartment sequence is kind of the only really tense moment in the movie. It's the closest thing to a jump scare or a scare. Yeah, because like the lights are all off. He's developing photos in a dark room and then all the lights go out. And he's walking around his huge wrong side of the track's Mid City apartment. And he's letting the flash go off. So it's a little like Texas chainsaw you get the, you know, and he's like flashing all over the apartment. And he flashes upon that puppet.

And I was like, whew! like ooh well that's the thing because James Juan has a hard on for puppets like that's clear he made the puppet

himself that sucks because he made dead silence which is a puppet movie that's a bad movie that's a that's a James Juan

movie that's worse than this movie that dead silence movie does not work is it I never I was never able to watch it

because I don't I don't really I don't fuck with puppets man like you know what see here's the thing neither do I and that's how bad this movie is

though I was just kind of like whatever you haven't seen demonic toys? No, I'm not. Oh, come on. How about doll man? I'm not seeing doll. Do you got to see doll man? I think I saw Dollman with you once and I don't remember a fucking thing.

That's how I watched Dollman. I was at that screening. Dude, Dalman is great. What was the, what's the Anthony Hopkins puppet movie? Magic. That movie's freaky. I watched it recently on Shudder and was that's a, that was a shoulder shrug for me. He did that, then he did the, in The Conjuring, there's a puppet for no reason, which now has spun its own. Yeah, Annabelle.

Are we watching those Annabelle movies? The second one's good. That's like her during the Salem Witch trials. No, it was her during the McCarthy hearings. And Annabelle. She named names. It was horrific. That demonic puppet sold out Elia Kazan.

Do you see Annabelle one, Chris? Just number two. I did see one. Is that all right? It's fine. And that is supposed to take place after the Conjuring movies? I think, I mean, I think they jump around it. Because I think it's, she's like locked up in those last movies.

Oh, she's locked in that living room. She goes to like puppet prison. Man, doll jail. That's a place I don't want to go. Fucking doing time with Gumby. Well, no, she's in a little fucking glass box like Hannibal Lecter at the end of that movie. She was supposedly like their worst case, man. You'd put that behind glass.

Apparently, it's inspired by a real thing. And the problem with that doll is too intentionally scary, like, all the time. Yeah, you wouldn't, you wouldn't, like, give that to a child. Like, oh, here you go. No, apparently the real one, the quote-unquote real one, was like a Raggedy Ann doll. Like, it was just, like, just that that came to life and did some weird shit. I also read that those guys were, that team was, were conmen. Well, yeah, no, like notorious conmen.

That reminds me, is it too late for us to become conmen? Man, I think we'd be good. I think we should do it. I mean, we're pretty good at lying. I mean, Steve Sadek especially, he's the Costanza of the group. I could wear a pig mask. I can wear a pig mask. I could fake the Amityville Horror.

Maybe that's what he is. He's a failed prop comic. Jigsaw is a failed prop comic. That is a horror franchise right there. A failed stand-up comedian who's just had enough. And he's just murdering people in the parking lots of open mics. This hammer represents my hopes and dreams And your head is my fucking death

And the final scene takes place This dude has rented Or it's like an abandoned warehouse And he turns it into a soundstage For a late night talk show And then like there's a woman like Bound to a chair And like the hosting chair

And then this serial killer has to come out And do his material Dude great name for them movie? Tight 5. Oh, shit. Yes. Oh, you think twisted pictures would put it out? Probably. I think it's already on Shudder something. If you search a tight five

on shutter, it's on there. You just said it and it's there. It's kind of crazy. I had a question about, oh, this one I was going to say, so speaking of that company that's rightfully burning to the ground, TWC, the Weinstein Company, I was going over at work, like the movies

that they have left in the pipe. One is a Benedict Cumberbatch movie that no one's going to be playing now. Well, they pushed it. Yeah, you know what? They can just keep they're ever going to play it. They'll sell off the asset to another company. But there's a

fucking new Amityville movie that they were going to put out. Direct to streaming, not shockingly. I don't know if it actually like came out or maybe it was the 20th it's supposed to come out. So we're recording this on the 18. They'll put it out and whatever. Oh, no. The Polaroid. What? They're doing Polaroid.

No, I'm talking about it. an Amityville horror movie. Yes, but I'm saying the TWC is also putting out a horror movie on November 22nd called Polaroid. Well, we'll see. We'll see if they do. We'll see if that develops. Oh, wow, bravo, dude. That's why

I want the rim shot thing. So, sort of towards the end of this movie, like, you know, he finds out, one of the, they find a bunch of pictures, Adam comes clean, hey, I was taking pictures of you, look, I have all these pictures, jigs. And like, again, like, let's work together and figure a way out of this room. Why would you

But this is also another scenario where the wife actually then overpowers Zep and has a gun and does not fucking use it and decides to let the killer, or what we think is the killer, overpower her and take the gun back. Great, great, great. He was about to kill her. Sorry, it's the rules. And like she overpowers him because it's fucking Michael Emerson. You got him. You know, like, and like just, yeah, blast him away. And then she's just like, oh, well, I'm sorry. I somehow got your gun. Here it is. back. Or at the very least take out his kneecaps. You know what it is? Yes. Do something. You don't have to shoot somebody in the head. Because I can understand you might be worried like I'm not going to know where my husband is. If I kill

this guy. Yeah. Shoot him in the legs. Shoot him in the gut. Shoot him somewhere. I think that's a note that can be given to a lot of people. You tie up my daughter. I'm shooting the nuts. That's it. Exactly. Yeah, your dick's gone. Goodbye. Also, I came across in my notes, another bad line of dialogue that comes around sort of just part of the movie. It's from Adam.

Once again, Lee Wano says something They're arguing over Carrie Elway is like having that affair and whatnot And he says something about like I don't care if you covered yourself in peanut butter And had a 15 hooker gang bang Whatever, man, that's out of the playbook If I just watched a Quentin Tarantino movie

And I'm now writing my own screenplay So now we're at the point where there's Carrie Always just start saw on his own fucking leg on And he is just screaming and yelling And saw on this leg No reason Well because this is like He does have my favorite line where he realizes

that it's Zapp, and he's like, you bastard! Which I just love. He's like, I always hated that guy at work, and now I know one. There's one time, like, he only had 85 cents for the ending, which is like, hey, Zap, can I give you 85 cents for a dollar and Zab's like, no.

And then he cut him at the water cooler. Really, again, this guy. Sorry, those are the rules. You bastard, that was my diet Coke. The last one, you fucking. Monster! So yeah, Michael Emerson, Danny Glover from across the window is like, oh shit, now it's

my time to move. He sees the commotion and barges in. He also doesn't... Yeah, he's just like, wait, let me just point this gun at things and then not do anything. God damn it, Danny Glover, you're right there. And then there's like a car chase and I mean, not really a car chase. It's like this is bad. It's like taxicab

confessions. Like you only see the dude. So, uh, how are you doing a night? You get into any weird checks? drive me to my fucking house you fucking creep hey man I actually watched

some of those I bet you did I had free HBO for a month I was like I'll watch all these old taxi cab it is the same thing I'm like

so you guys get fucked tonight or what yeah you know dude I just want to go to the next bar thank you very much

can I tell you when I moved to New York I was like I wonder if I ever late night like leave a bar getting a cab and oops

it's a taxi cab confessions cab and this guy's going to be like hey fat guy you get in any uh sexy situations tonight or what instead it was hey fat guy you're in the cash cab or uh hey fat guy you're not going to throw up back there are you it's a 250 dollar cleaning fee uh one time i was in a cab but this guy was like yeah man i got this i got this you ever get like uh i got bad news i got this weird condition where i keep keep falling asleep woke up in the shower I was bleeding all over the place. The cab driver is telling you this?

Where are you going? Hey man, where are you off to tonight? I'm going right here, actually. You safely got to be to my destination. Hey, man, you're getting in any sexy situations or what? I got narcolepsy and bleeding disorders. Well, that's what they don't say. The cash cab is actually the same thing as the taxicab confession cab at night.

During the day it's a cash cab at night, it goes to cash cab. What would you do for $50? Ben Bailey's like getting out, walking to the cab, and then morning some days, I clean off the blood. Some days I clean off the cup. Some days I give away $5,000. This is no way to live. So, yeah, it's like times up.

He hears over the phone, like all the mayhem that's going on, and he freaks out, and it's like, I have to get home to my family. So what quick way to do that? Let's saw off my foot so I can run home, I guess. Well, he says off his foot, and then he shoots Adam. He doesn't kill him because he's an expert marksman. Guess what, Andrew?

If I was trying to shoot you and in the shoulder, I would totally shoot you in the heart by accident. Oh, of course. Right in the heart. But are we thinking, though, that he's trying to do like a fake thing? He says so. He's like, oh, I shot you in the shoulder. You'll be fine. But I need to go to the...

I think you just happened that you lived, so that's good. It's only a shoulder wound. You're fine. My flesh is rotting away. I have perfect aim right now. Dude, note to the makeup department from this movie man. All of a sudden, he just looks like Johnny Depp in Dark Shadows. Out of nowhere, this dude is pasty-ass white.

That's how much bloody loss. Is he a ghost at this point? That would be a great twist. He's having this whole conversation. They look over and dead Carrie always still has his foot in the goddamn lock. You're dead, Larry. He's covered in change and goes chains and like goes and haunts like an insurance company. Yeah, these are the chains I forged.

life. Yeah. By the way, so this is a time movie and like, times up, there's still 20 minutes to go. You better believe it. There was one point where I paused this movie because I didn't remember like how things ended up and I was like, we got to be done, right? 44 minutes, couldn't even believe it. Michael Emerson kills Danny Glover by accident, sort of.

Total accident. He just gets like a quick shot to the gut. Thus, like ending any point of Danny Glover ever being this movie at all. He shot his whole role in two days, apparently. Sounds about right. Yep, checks out. And then, like, Zep goes to the saw room and then just gets beaten with a toilet. Toilet.

Well, what, not a toilet. Like the tank cover. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Yes, the tank cover. Oh, I know my way around a toilet, man. Which later Donnie Wahlberg will use to eat off of. Oh, twist it.

Essentially saw his foot off. With a toilet cover? He just, like, bashes it until it's, like, puddy. Wait, wait. second movie, there's another foot chain sequence. That's in the beginning of the third one. Oh, Jesus. Come on. So Carrie Elway drags his body outside. He's like, I'll be back. I'll send for help. I'll be back. Yeah. You know what? This dude's a total stranger to me. He was also taking pictures of me in secret. I'm going to leave that guy for dead. And then this is where Jigsaw reemerges and

stands up and pulls off the like Halloween makeup he's got on. But to be fair, Jigsaw, I was like, hey man, that keys and it's been in the bathtub the whole time. Yeah, and he's like trying to be cool with him. He's like, you know, congratulations, you won the game. You want me to take you to breakfast? There's a good place down there. They got, they get good eggs.

It's called Denny's. I was going to say, don't judge, it's Denny's, but it's a good Denny's. No, no, no, it's a good Denny's. I know there, I've been to bad Denny's myself. I wouldn't do that to you. Do you want to go to a good Denny's? Steve, there are three Denny's in front of you.

You have to pick the good one. If you pick the bad one, you get diarrhea and die. That's how it's going to happen. I hate to say it. All right, Steve, you're going to go to this Denny's, but it's mandatory that you order the corn beef ash. That's right. Denny's corn beef hash with gravy.

Oh, ew. But Adam, like, actually tries to shoot him. But he's all out of bullets. And that's when he says, game over and locks him in the thing to kill him. Because I think he was going to let him go. I think he was like, hey, man, you won my game, you beat it. Now don't you have a, hey, didn't this horrific experience make you like so much, have much more zest for life? Oh, no, you have PTSD?

Oh, shit, sorry. You'll never want to go outside again. Oh, that's weird. What's bizarre is, and maybe Cabin, they cover this in Jigsaw's origins. Like, is he a boy from Brooklyn? Why? Because it's not a game over So much as it's a game over

As he slams this door And over that's it That stick balls done for the day Exactly, dude Oh Maddingly took that to the fucking house Game over Game over Exactly no it's I was like

You gotta enunciate that man That's not how people in Mid City talk Take two Can we do take two on Jigsaw Thanks Game Over Game over And then yeah

We hit credits Q fucking Fear Factory man Rocking their hearts out Woo Uh Eight movies now We're gonna be up to eight Eight movies

And they're all like Oh did you remember that one scene Where like somebody sneezed That has this whole significance And we made a whole movie about that Right Don't worry about that That is twisted

The woman with the reverse bear trap Amanda like the disciple of jigsaw? She's pig masks. She becomes the only one who wears the pig masks and he becomes the doll guy. And apparently Dr. Gordon comes back as an apprentice as well.

Well, this will tell you how like Mike Rowe they go with this stuff is like fucking Dina Meyer who is in two shots is a major fucking character and the second one and a pretty major character in the third one. She's trying to get revenge for her fellow cops like getting murdered.

Yes. And then she's like in a kind of relationship with Donnie Wahlberg. Oh, same. Kind of thing. I'm asleep already. And then there's another thing. It's so bad. At what point does Donnie Wahlberg show up in his underwear in Bruce Willis's house?

Oh. Oh, that's in six. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, let's stop there for a bit. So let's pretend like there aren't eight of these. It's just focus on Saw 1. And this is mainly a note for Chris Cabin.

Focus on Saw 1, 2000. directed by James Wan, would you recommend this movie? Absolutely not. And I think that this, he has gone on to do movies that are really, really dig, really scary movies. I'm interested in what his Aquaman's going to look like. I'm kind of cool with that, right? Oh, right. Is that not about that?

Is that accurate? That's still happening? Yeah, that's still happening. I mean, we'll see. We'll see it. But, you know, it's DC's, D.C., so we'll see. But, you know, I've hated this movie forever. It's really, it's really dull. It's not scary at all.

It's not even gross. it's just kind of eh it's just trash it's total fucking trash and like even with the little don't think of all the other garbage this is still garbage even with your little suggestion you gave me

fuck you it's car it's absolute garbage he does this thing that drives me nuts I'll call it cocaine footage oh where we're speed enough speed up it happens I'm not kidding you every five minutes in this movie like he just used speedups and like

It gives me a headache. That lame car chase. That's all that is. It's Danny Glover pretending to drive a car. And then all this like speed footage. And there is a scene and it is this the seedling of these do. Ooh, seedling. Of this getting more torture porny in the next one and the third one especially.

But there is a scene where Michael Emerson like puts a gun to the girl's head. Carrie always his daughter. And the whole scene, it's like two minutes long. It's literally just the girl crying. Yeah. And like he holds on that shit. I don't know what benefit that is to anybody. It's intense, man.

And I guess so. Extreme. As I said in the beginning, fuck this movie. Fuck this movie. The twists and everything are stupid as fuck. I didn't, I thought it was going to be worse than it was. So I actually am going to recommend it. I've never seen it before until I watched it for the show.

I don't want to watch any of the sequels. Oh, you're not going to be a sawhead? No, I'm not going to be a sawhead. a sawhead, but... I think they called them lumberjacks, by the way. I was kind of... That was stupid.

Yeah, a couple of loggers here. I was kind of surprised. I think this movie's way better than Scream 2. Wow. All right. I mean, it's not good we're on WeA. Movies.

But I would kind of recommend it because I had never seen it before and it was better than I expected. Okay. Okay. I guess like if you don't know I mean you listen to this so we told you everything you know like that twist included so if you haven't seen it I guess there's no reason

to watch it at this point like in 2004 it was like a quote unquote fresh thing now there's eight of them it's all ruined any kind of like it just became like everything else which I know I was just saying not to judge it against the rest of the franchise but I guess I'm realizing that's also impossible

no I wouldn't recommend I think it's an interesting model for like making a cheap horror movie out of what you have as enemy this they made their this was a calling card from them they made a bunch of money and they made movies that they liked that are better than this from this so i understand directed like a fast and furious the best fast and furious i would say seven seven i think is the best one who did eight eight is uh gary gray oh and it is fucking awful might be a stay tuned oh it might be a stay tuned um yeah i don't know i guess like you know the biggest thing about this movie. Not a lot of

bad CGI. And that's like, with like low budget horror now, that's all we're doing is like bad CGI. And also fucking bad digital video. Yeah, no, that is true. This is shot on film. It doesn't look too bad. Doesn't look too bad.

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trick-or-treat with Ozzy Osborne. From 1986, 1986, I believe, and also Gene Simmons has a cameo in it. Ooh, I like that. I'm not going to spoil it for it. It's really a truly special movie. We had a quick little digression on T.J. Hooker on this episode.

Oh, sure. And I was quickly mentioned that me and Ben Worcester and Andrew and Steve have been on. And hopefully Chris soon, there's a show called Hooked on T.J. Hooker. That's right. Where we're recapping every single episode of T.J. Hooker because no one would want that listen to that. Oh, wait. Ben's on it. Now I'll listen. tj hookerpodcast.com there's that and also next week by the way

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