We Hate Movies - S8: WHM On-Screen: Black Panther

Episode Date: February 21, 2018

On this very special WHM On-Screen, the guys chat about the most excellent new Marvel film, Black Panther! Finally, a Marvel film to marvel at! Finally, a Marvel movie with a sympathetic, well-constructed villain! Finally, a gorgeously produced, excellently acted, brilliantly written Marvel movie that doesn't mention or feature Thanos! Finally, four white guys pontificating about Black Panther on the internet! Coogler is a solid three-for-three!  Black Panther stars Chadwick Boseman, Michael B. Jordan, Lupita Nyong'o, Danai Gurira, Daniel Kaluuya, Letitia Wright, Winston Duke, Sterling K. Brown, Angela Bassett, Forest Whitaker, Andy Serkis, and Martin Freeman; directed by Ryan Coogler. Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a headgum podcast. Welcome to WHM on screen, everybody. I'm Andrew Jupy, alongside the whole gang. Christopher Cabin, Stephen Sadek, Eric Sisko. We are here talking about Marvel's Black Panther, which just came out this past... Well, I was about to say Friday, but technically big movies come out on Thursdays now.

That's like a thing I'm dealing with. 7 p.m. show. Yeah, the 7 p.m. That's like a real thing. Yeah, I mean, okay. Now, I mean, it's also weird, like, you know, Like now records come out on Fridays. That used to be Tuesday. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, well, now there's daily. I mean, like, they trace it all the time now, like down to the detail. It's crazy. You can get email on your phone, too? Things change over time. So, yes, of course, the fantastic new film directed by Ryan Coogler, who did Creed, who did Fruitvale Station. This motherfucker is 3-4-3 in the excellent films department.

It's insane. So here we are. I mean, this is, I mean, by the way, let's just say it out front. Spoiler alerts ahead. We're going to be talking Black Panther, man. The whole damn thing. Did everybody love? Or what did everybody think of this movie? It's a real question. I loved it. I loved it. For me, it is hands down the best Marvel movie. I agree with that. I think it's a fantastic film. And one of the reasons why I think it's one of the best Marvel movies is it doesn't feel like beholden to that universe as much as the other ones. It doesn't feel like it's, I know it's building up stuff to go into the other movies,

but it's not, it doesn't feel as like, well, we'll just wait a minute, we'll get to Thanos. And you're totally right. And what, that was my greatest fear going into this was like the movie was going to start. And like, Captain America or fucking somebody was going to be like, all right, Tachala, have a fucking great movie. See you later, buddy. I was waiting for that shooter drop, man. It was just like, seriously. I'm going to have to call my friend, Hey, Steve Rogers.

You get the Bucky Stinger, and that's fine. It's sort of like, you know, doing this Civil War thing. But what the hell was that? Well, I forgot what happened. So I did, I did rewatch Civil War before this, which I think is a totally fine mess of a movie with too much going on. But what happens? What a Marvel movie with too much going on? I know.

And messy? But no, so for Eric and others' benefits, who didn't remember, at the end of Civil War, Winters'old. is sort of he runs off with Steve Rogers and they the stinger scene is they're in Wakanda and he's frozen they elope first Wakanda's down with him just basically turns him off he's like hey man uh you want to just like let hey man you want to go to bed buddy want to go to sleep

want to go to sleep it's his decision yeah it is uh it's i have to go now my planet needs me yeah so bucky's pretty much like I'm dangerous it's better if I'm frozen until they can figure out what's going on with me uh and then we're we're told that It'd be great in the next movie if he's got like a shitty Wakandan accent and everyone's like, Bucky, Bucky, stop.

Bucky, stop it. You're not fucking Madonna when she married Guy Ritchie, stop it. You spent a summer there like I know you really, like it's really cool man, like and you know, that's a really awesome outfit. Thank you. And thank you for the gift. The hat is fantastic.

Thank you. But you cannot be doing that accident. And Shuri's just like, oh man, this was a mistake. I shall let this die. Why did we teach him anything? So that's what is. You know, it's really cool Wakandan music. That's what

really get into this summer and it's like Bucky get the fuck out of here yeah so this movie it sort of starts like while civil war is going on it's like immediately after the aftermath of the assassination well not really assassination but

murder from the bomb King Tachaca is murdered in civil war it's sort of Tachala's like getting that news and dealing with that as we go into this movie and then it's him going home to become king of wakonda man uh it's i think yeah i mean i think this movie's awesome uh i really loved it as well i think it's because it's the story it's got

three acts it's got like three real acts and characters like learn things and are different at the end the reason they don't have to have those scenes jud in that like break up the tension and the pace of the movie is because like they did all the teasing already in other movies of him yeah like you you built up all this stuff already that's a really good point because This is the only, one of the only Marvel movies. Like, we're finally here. We're just living in it. It's not just, we're not looking way back.

We're not looking to the forward. It's like, this is the movie, gang. This is the movie you've been waiting for. Here it is. Did you believe it? Nobody says, Tainos. It was, what a fucking, fucking believable. So speaking of that purple people eater or whatever the fuck that guy is.

But what's great about this movie, in addition, is it's got a nuanced villain, a villain that you can almost side with that is, like, the motivations for these characters are better than your average superhero movie which is what made me kind of think like is it a Marvel movie oh I guess yes it is but it's heightened above a Marvel movie it's technically a mind right it's like a name only is it a Marvel movie I feel

and I think that you know what somebody somebody at the chuckle hut wanted to do a fucking another pass at this script and Coogler was like no this movie doesn't need to be funny at every turn like there are laughs here but like Tachala is actually a pretty stoic dude you know what I mean like it takes himself seriously he's a regal guy it's not like i don't know like that thor ragnarok the more

time i have between it and me i like it less and less and less i like it less with each passing day and i love tycho with titi i really like his movies and that movie does not work for me because it undercuts any kind of at the end of the movie there's a lot of big character stuff that happens and it's after all these jokes you're like oh wait we're taking it seriously oh okay well like that movie like almost all marvel movies have to play political Like, this one actually buys into it and has the arguments and those discussions in the built into the screenplay. It has the balls to build into the screenplay, exactly. And, like, I mean, Thor Ragnarok, even that one has, like, the whole colonialism vibe, but they don't buy into it the way this one does.

It gives it up in favor of Kate Blanchett being a bad villain. Yeah. Like, all of, if that movie stayed within the confines of that Jeff Goldblum world and you're dealing with all of that, like, that's what I thought the movie was going to be. and the whole time I'm watching, I'm like, so how the hell does Kate Blanchet fit into all of this? Oh, it's a completely separate movie. Yes, and it's tacked on at the end. And like, it's just, and like, there's not a single wasted scene

in this movie in Black Panther. I don't, like, even like the, you know, the set pieces, like, they set things up. The first set piece with Lepita Nyango, it tells you all about who she is. And it shows you that these characters, you know what I mean? Like, the whole Korea sequence,

like, it gives you like the second act of this movie, you know? Yeah, and I've heard some people like already complaining about that Korea sequence. Like, what? It's okay for movies at their outset to like take detours to have an adventure.

Like you would never hear this criticism of a Bond movie like, oh my God, they fucking went to Brazil for 40 minutes. I mean like, A, it's for the foreign box office, obviously. That's why we're in South Korea.

But it's also like, it sets up Andy Circus. It introduces. Oh man, that casino planet and this black panther. I don't know about that. same fucking thing, dude, same argument with Last Jedi. It was one of my

favorite scenes because they're kicking ass all over this casino. That scene. And it's a cool Bond movie. Yes, you took the words right out of my mouth. Exactly. I'm sorry. You better be. Ant Man is a heist. Like we were talking about how these all separate. This is a Bond movie. This is

Marvel making a Bond movie. For part of it. Yeah. And then otherwise it's like a Shakespearean royalty drama. But like it has that sense of space, like the globetrotting aspect of it. Like there's so much stuff that goes up in New York and Wakanda And then when all Kilmonger stuff is going on

Right, right, right, right. Yeah, Oakland with Gilmonger and also He's in England and the museum scene. Which is also a great scene. That seems like the action's really good. And the action's really clean. Like you can see what's going on. I really like the thought behind how Black Panther moves

And like how he fights versus how Thor might fight Or how Captain America might fight. Like he uses his powers in a really kind of cool way. But he's never like hot-dogging it? No. He's got the team the whole time

because he's got Nikia and Akoi by his side the whole time. That's why you bring him down a little bit. Like he's not like, it's not Robert Donnie Jr. He's not playing for the back row. Like he's very like he's doing a lot of thinking, et cetera, et cetera.

And that's why you have like, you know, his sister is amazing. And she's like really funny and really smart. Letitia writes one of the, The best parts of this movie, she's awesome. She is. And speaking of Bond, she's like the cue of Wakanda. Yeah, no, it's like someone, you know, was talking about, like, she's the smartest person in the planet.

Yes. And it's great. And it's, that whole sequence of her, like, the whole idea, and I don't know if it's from the comics, like, this movie made me want to read these comics. Like, same thing happened to me when I saw Dr. Strange. I was totally ignorant of the title. Yeah. And I want to dig into it now, like, big time. But I don't know if it's from the comics, but the whole thing of, like, you know.

the car and she's like virtually driving the car that was so fucking cool and it allows that person to be a part of it and not just like someone on a radio also like how you just go into like sort of like this hollow deck area and you're just in it and you're doing it and then it goes away when the car explodes whatever and that's that that was awesome yeah we don't need it to be more than that that's one of those great directors touches because there's texture to it like yeah even the way like when you get the early scene of us like explaining Wakanda it's that text those

animated like sand stuff like it was incredible like it was actually interesting to watch rather than just listening to somebody talk about what had happened and it takes two minutes but it tells you so much about what Wakanda is there's that like the image of the slave train like you see that happen in that movie and it's like we're

not going to not talk about this stuff it's there but it's not like we can still have a fun action movie while this happens that's what makes killmonger so interesting of a villain is he's talking about the disenfranchisement and the the oppressed people all over the world and like maybe we should arm them and you're like yeah maybe you can you start to think it's the thing where you're like oh killmonger had some good ideas like he's a great ideas honestly the problem was the killing there's a lot of the problem is he's a killmonger that's the

that's the big problem i do love that it's i think it's name's eric like stevenson or whatever is like a real last name is but like in the Marine Corps somebody in his reunion was like man that guy's a real killmonger right or maybe it's like somebody thought it was a cool nickname like yo it's a killmonger and Eric's like what

and then it's stuck you know like yeah I guess I'm destined to become a villain because what else could you be with that nickname it was either that or bulldozer hey Danny fucker you killed 30 people today I'm the killmonger okay I guess I'm a killmonger Well, we started to call him the butcher of Baghdad, but the local people referred to Saddam Hussein.

Titles taken. We got sued by the Saddam Hussein estate. What about Maddoch? Oh, no, that's taken too. Shit. Okay. I don't know. You're the killmonger.

You're mongering kills. We went out. We searched for something else. We came up empty. It's back to killmonger, buddy. Sorry. But, you know, he lived that poor life. and the resentment that comes with it

and fighting wars and working for the dastardly CIA apparently overthrothed governments. I mean, it's a well-constructed villain and you see why the point of view would be so different versus the Black Panther himself. And I do love, to Chris's point,

the texture of like you start in Oakland and that cool scene with Sterling K. Brown and you're like, oh, God. Sterling K. Brown in this movie is awesome. And you kind of think it, like, I thought it was just like, was the throwaway scene where it's like this is how cool Wakanda is you know what I mean they have agents all over blah blah blah and like you know Sterling k brown was going to show back up but you didn't

know it was like that and like you know what I mean and that that awesome scene with uh michael b jordan and sterling k brown like the fact that they do that scene both ways both with uh tachalla and tachaca and michael b jordan and sterling kare brown is like and like that they're in the shitty apartment. I love that vision quest and you see like the Wakanda purple out the window. It's so fucking cool. But you're still in the apartment. That's really awesome. Yeah, Sterling

K. Brown with like literally two scenes in this movie and by that second scene I'm fucking tearing up. That dude is one of the best working actors and that's something if he said about this entire cast. There is not a fucking weak performance in the bunch. It's pretty flawless. Even Forrest Whitaker, I mean like not to say even Forrest

Whitaker who's usually awesome but like I thought he was a bit too much in Rogue one like he's great in this he's yelling in for in uh in rogue one stamping his big fucking rabbit i'm into it in rogue one saw guerrara i'm into it okay and well he's almost like killmonger in rogue one yeah he is sort of like the disenfranchised a bit of a killmonger but it's funny because in this movie it's like oh forest whittaker's playing like an old sage again oh what's that he's murdered well that checks out yeah saw that coming a mile away and i i'm gonna tell you man Winston Duke kind of steals this movie.

He is awesome. Has this guy been in anything? I've not looked at his IMDB. I haven't seen him in stuff personally. He plays Mbaku. Yeah. He's the dude who's like the head of the Jabari tribe and he lives up in the

mountains. And it's really, it's just really cool. Like I think that that guy, that I'm very ill versed on Black Panther. I know that Tana Hasa Coats run. I know it is great. I know I try to read those Jonathan Hickman ones. They're really good. But like that...

What's his problem? Avengers run is fucking dense, man. It is like space politics up the ass. It's like, you know what? I got, you know, I got stuff. I got kids here, man. And I mean, like, I'm very behind my Black Panther. But all that being said, like, he's a villain in, I wonder if he's coming back as the villain or maybe not.

Like, he seems like he's part of the gang at the end there. Yeah. I mean, you know, he's the cavalry at the end of the movies. Yeah, for sure. He could be like possibly like a Loki type character to him. kind of keep coming back. Boy is that shit tiring speaking of fucking Thor three. I am sick and fucking tired. Hey Thor, how many times you're gonna fucking fall for it, buddy? You know, I kind of agree with you actually. It's a fresh new cast of an awesome, like everybody, wall to wall, great performances, and you're not seeing those people that are a bit tired right now. I was exhausted rewatching Civil War. Exhausted. And the only time I wasn't was when fucking Paul Rudd was on screen because I've seen that movie one time. I saw Ant Man once. I really liked. it. We got to yell at Bill O'Reilly at the old Ziegfell theater. Eric got a high

five from Michael Douglas. It was a great night all around. But I've never revisited that movie. And so seeing Paul Rudd in the fucking stupid-ass airport fight, I was like, ah. Is Peyton Reed coming back for that? Oh yeah. I can't wait for that. Yeah, I still like

Ant-Man. I love Ant-Man. I liked it. I've just never really liked it. I don't return to these movies a lot anymore. Because you know why? There's fucking a new one out every day. Yeah, there's no reason to. There is. There's one right around the corner. They've made it completely, they made it, they've made these movies as disposable as the comic books themselves. I kind of, I mean, I don't know.

I feel like if I was 10 years younger when Avengers came out, Avengers came out, I would love all of these movies dearly and I would have watched them a million times. I just, I'm not, I don't, I'm just, and not that I'm too old for it, I'm just, my sensibility is a little different than it would be if I, if I was 22 years old when Avengers came out. There are six to seven of these that I genuinely love. I think that they're as good as they could be. But the rest of them, yeah, I could not care less. And I understand people loving these movies. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not like hating on this.

No. Like I just, some of them, it's like, I'm never going to return to this ever. Unless we do an episode on it, I'm never going to watch Iron Man 2 again, probably. You know what I mean? Stay tuned. More than like. But like this, watching this, like you're watching it. And I just remember thinking like, fuck, I mean, for obvious reasons, an all black cast.

Like, you know, this is. a different movie. Martin Freeman's black. And we can get into that. Andy Circus? It's, you know what I'm talking about. You joke misers. You know what I mean? He's joke mongers. I should have gone that, right?

Not to edit your joke. No, but I'm just saying, like, it was refreshing that it was so different and so purposefully different. Purposefully leaving out the fucking passing of the baton. You know, no one's flying in. I honestly don't know how you come back from this. Yeah.

that's a good call i really don't like avengers infinity war i'm sure is going to be very entertaining but it's going to look like a fucking baby fight as compared to this like it really like you've done this to yourself because also like thanos is not a real character no he's he's a two-dimensional i'm sure in the comic books at some points he's more developed but as i i just as a viewer i don't even know what this conflict is really about me i mean that's that's what this movie unfortunately is really fucking waiting for. It's like you have to make Thanos amazing. Not only, not just a little bit good, not okay. Like, you know,

Kilmonger comes out of nowhere and you're like, holy shit, this dude's awesome. It's Michael B. Jordan and he's killing it. And you know what I mean? Like all this stuff.

But like Thenos, you've set it up for literally 12 years or seven years, whatever it is. It feels like it's been 40. I think my biggest takeaway is, is like a human character with a person,

with real, interests, original thoughts in our life. Exactly. He's not a cartoon monster that's going to destroy the world. You know, again, it's not, we're not exactly saving the galaxy here. We're saving a kingdom

and it's great to scale it back. Yeah, it's nice that the stakes were what they were. By the way, no 75-9-11s in this movie. This movie ends. Downtown Wakanda is still totally fine. I want to go shopping there. By the way, speaking of which, next year at the Academy Awards

may be a costume nomination or something. It has to be. It was incredible. The scenes with the challenges when they're fighting and everyone's in the ceremonial garb, it was amazing. It's fucking awesome. Every bit of clothing in this movie is great. And you're totally right.

Like that not only needs to be nominated. Whoever did these costumes needs to fucking do that shit. The design work up and down the block. The production is absolutely insane. And that's just like taking this movie in, And you're like, this is so creative. Everything about this is custom made. It's custom made.

It looks fucking awesome. But this is like something that's been like so pent up for years, which is like what is an all black cast doing in like a huge movie and an amazing, like, you know what I mean? And like the director, the writer, everything. And like it's, everybody cared about this project so much more so than just like a cash grab or you know what I mean? No one was just like, yeah, I'll be in your Marvel movie. What's it about? Oh, what am I?

Exactly. I'm a goobbly gobbly villain? Yeah, cool. Guble gobble, give me those stones. Yum, yum, yum. I eat them. Do I eat the stones or what? As much as I...

I love our DJ and I really loved Spider-Man Homecoming. A large portion of that performance is him fucking sleepwalking. And it's like, we've all been here before kind of a thing. And you just, you don't get that in this

at all. Everybody is fucking full throttle, making this movie. Right, you know, that's a good point. Like, the rest of the Marvel movies are, like, jumping in into the established universe. This one, there's so much world building. It's like you're starting from scratch.

And speaking of world building, by the way, it's pretty cool that this movie's only like two hours and 15 minutes. Not bad. I gotta say, not bad. They use all of it, too. Every second. It's not, and there's no, like, can we talk about Daniel Kaluya? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Because I really do, like, watching it, and I saw it with a packed house, it really did. There was a similar feeling to seeing Get Out. Yeah. Yeah. And it came around the same exact time. Yeah. It feels like an amplification of that.

Oh, yeah. No, it was the exact same thing for me. I felt the exact same thing. You know what I mean? It's fucking finally we're seeing this on screen. Yeah. And he is also awesome in this movie. I would say if I had to, if we can get to nitpicky territory, I think he's a little, I like that he's in this movie.

I think he's good in it. I just, I actually even think, like, the last big fight at the end where we're, like, all on the big, on the green, it, it just seems a bit messy to me. It's a little unclear. Yeah, I don't know. I like the killmonger, Black Panther fight a lot. I like parts of that big fight. Yeah. I just found, you know, like, yeah.

Because, well, Ryan Coogler, most of his fights are like he tries to get a clear take. Like, it's those John Wick type moves where you see the whole physicality of the action. And he did the same thing in Creed with the boxing scenes in that movie. There's a lot of extended long takes of battle going on here. It really worked for me. I really love Denai Guerrera as Akoye. Like she's going hard with her, you know, security guard warriors. And when they're fighting fucking killmonger, that whole thing, like, that's awesome.

That part's awesome. Her and her team versus him is amazing. and then when Letitia Wright gets into it and like he's about to killer and all that stuff going on. If you had to like compare this to the airport fight scene in Civil War, like you watch that shit in Civil War. There's too much going on. You don't know where everybody is at all times.

This, it's edited way better. I also felt like I didn't really understand why they were even fighting. I need to rewatch that movie. But like after, you know, I saw it. I remember enjoying it when I saw it, you know. But then it's just like my takeaway from it. It's like, what? Okay, wait.

So Iron Man versus Captain America. Why? Some of them want government oversight and some of them do not. Yeah. Okay. And that's kind of... That's kind of...

Yeah, exactly. Play politics. We're going to all... Even though we're all super beings, we're going to punch each other in a... on a runway... Yeah. To get to what?

Okay. Like, thank God that airport was evacuated, by the way. You know what life? And also, if you... Yeah. In the Spider-Man movie, he's watching footage of that. So that was like a covered event. Is everyone in a...

going, oh, fuck, it's all coming down, man. We made him fight each other. Now look, everybody's man. Oh, yep. Yeah. And yet again, reminding everyone, Iron Man is now King of America. This just in, he won the Civil War,

and Iron Man is King of America. We actually can't regulate him. He has 57 of those fucking Iron Men. But Iron Man is for registration, though. He's for oversight of the movie. Here's a quick question, because we're talking about Civil War a little bit, and the return of Thunderbolt Ross in that movie. Now, this is directed exactly at Steve Sadek.

Is Everett K. Ross, Martin Freeman's character, related to this other guy? No, I think he's just another government stooge. I know that he's got a Wikipedia page that I've not looked at. I'm not a real Marvel comics guy. I am, but I'm not like, I don't know everybody. I'm more of an X-Man dude. You tell me about an X-Men. I'll tell you anything about that.

Hey, speaking of Marvel and X-Men, how about that fucking Stan Lee cameo. Oh, yeah. Stupid. It's not great. They just, it's so dumb. And of course, like, obviously the only place

you can put him is in this fucking Korean secret casino because he ain't hanging out to shop in Wakanda, man. I was reading online, people were like, well, get ready. It's the worst one yet.

And when I saw it, I was like, I was way better than I expected. F, if anything, it's one of the better ones. It's just him kind of doing a funny gag about gambling. It's a dig.

It's a dig at him. It's incredible. He's like, I'm going to take that other guy's money. Oh, yeah, well, I didn't even think of it. Oh, dude, guaranteed that went right over his fucking head. Oh, let me just, oh, Jack Kirby left some chips on the table here when he died. Let me just grab some of these. Thank you very much.

I'm going to take one of these chips and bring it to Kirby's grave, wipe it on my balls and leave it on his tombstone. He-ha, Kirby. I'm the executive producer. I had a lot to do with the creative decisions behind Black Panther. Oh, man. talk about in name only. Are you fucking kidding me

with that executive producer credit? Jesus. I got to say, Brian Coogler did a great job. So I was smoking a day with Ulysses Claw and I was like No, no, no, can't do this. And I put some Bain shirum in fucking in Ulysses

Klaas' fucking stash. How big is Andy Circus in this week? He's as big as fucking Peter Jackson's King Kong. He's living up to his name this guy's like the big top it's it's gotta be a suit though he's not that big he's lanky fucking I think he's been juicing precious

I don't remember it's been a long time since it's his other scene was in Avengers 2 he's in a little bit and I think that's one of the times Ultron jacks him up yeah and they say something of Wakanda I don't remember him being that big in that movie I don't either

actually that's why I was like he's looking weird in this he has one big scene and he's definitely not as big as this. No. Not at all. Well, no, this is why Snoke was slightly bigger. He didn't turn out to be,

he didn't turn out to be the monster, we all thought, the 50 foot guy. But he is a little bigger than everyone else. He was a little taller than I thought he would be. The animator's like,

I'm sorry, the dots are so, they're all over the place. Like how many dots I got to use for this guy. You know what my beef was, though? It's kind of like my singular beef

with this movie. His fucking the fugitive fake arm is stupid. I thought it was cool. Man, it's fine until it opens and there's like a fucking rocket look. Get the fuck out of here. That's when it's cool. I don't know.

Different opinions. I'm kind of with Steve on this. I kind of like it. It reminds you that it's a comic book. On the other hand, we do have Martin Freeman. I'm like, oh, CIA. And Kilmonger was CIA and he's like, oh my God, this is like Noriega over here.

Well, Martin Freeman does have some line where he's like, yeah, He knows all the things that we fucking taught him to do. Yes. So, yeah, you know. And that's kind of like his motivation sort of is to stay there. And like, you know, I feel responsible for this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he's good in this. You know, he's a lot of fun. I think, and my wife and I were kind of going back and forth about this. I think he has a pretty okay handle on an American accent. And if anything, it totally fucking trumps goddamn Cumberbatch, flattening it out and talking slowly. Like, he's actually. It's true.

He's kind of falling into, I'm going to make it sound kind of like New York, so I have some sort of reference point in my head. Which is always a better idea than just being like, Dormalu, I've come to bargain. I'm barking now. He's more like Kurt. Like he doesn't, like it stops everything.

Whereas Commerbatch, I mean, we've said before, he sounds like Dr. House. Yeah. Well, well,

think about this. Dr. Strange has read a lot of books. Yeah. It's all jumbled in his head. It makes sense. All the medical stuff. Yeah.

Try to say all those diseases You'll start saying Dermamu You have cancer It's all weird It's all weird words You know what the Cabara cadamara

You know what the inside of a black hole Looks like so yeah So medical stuff Fracture And then you got like Magic spells Oh yeah it's a lot It's a lot of gobbledygook

Yeah so he talks like a weird nerd So Chadwick Bozeman is awesome I think that And he does do like It's a it's a good It's a great performance Like where he's like really holding this movie together And like when he's not on screen

You're kind of like where's the Black Panther Even though everyone else is great Like you when he's back on screen He's doing stuff you're like yeah He's awesome in this movie Yeah I'm imagining Aquaman Watching this movie at the theater like Yeah

Oh yeah Black Panther coming I'm ruining this movie for everybody Man you know there's so There's so many superhero movies out there After I love the theater I was like oh my god I bet Wakanda could make Wonder Woman's invisible plane

For oh wait wrong fucking thing I'm sure they have the tech man They do Someone who we have not talked about yet And I think she's fucking fantastic In this movie it's fucking fantastic Seeing her in movies Angela Bassett

She's great She's awesome I mean like I think that Queen Ramanda They give her a lot to do and she does it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And she's not just like the grieving widow. No, she has shit to actually do. Yes. She's the one who she gives him the power back when they resuscitate him up in the mountains. Like she conducts that whole ceremony. Like that's her.

She's not just like crying into her fucking soup. And that's the thing. I mean, like this movie gives women so much. The women have so much power and agency in this movie. Like almost more so than the man. Like you know what I mean? Like there's like yeah.

I mean, I think that Lupini Nongo like she gives him his moral compass and not in that like, I'm your girlfriend and you should be better away. Like, no, I'm fucking doing shit on my own and if you want to be around me you better fucking, you know, figure shit out, dude. Yeah, I mean, and that's

I love tonight. Denai Guerrera, she's from Walking Dead. Mishon from Walking Dead. Yeah, she's fantastic. Well, what I love is that she has that conflict of, am I going to side with the guy who I'm connected

to or just the idea of the throne. I love those rhinoceroses. Rhinocerices. Rhinocerices? I don't know. Either way, they're all cool. They're all cool in me, man.

It's pretty awesome, man. Yeah, I love when she fucking makes that one just totally stop. And Daniel Kaluya just falls off it. Oh, fucking cool. Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is everybody's got their thing. You know what I mean? Like, you would think it'd get boring with like, oh, so there's a bunch of, it's Chachala and a bunch of his soldiers.

Cool. But no, like. Yeah. Daniel Kaluas got these fucking rhinocerosies. Mbba-da-Bakku's got, he's got this whole tribe of people that inspired by apes and they're huge and they're fucking massive and terrifying.

Their area specifically was where the production design, I was knocked out. Yeah, totally. His chair, that whole landscape was insane. That whole setup was cool. It was like you're going to like a different world than a video game kind of thing. That's the way it felt like, oh, now we're in,

like, there's a snow world. Yeah, snow world idea. or something like it's just everything about this is so imaginative and original and like yeah fucking technical Oscars across the board and otherwise but like I think come on

come on you know it's interesting because like you do talk about video games influencing like action movies a lot these days like this is kind of like a Zelda type level of creativity and that kind of like exploration yeah yeah no totally it's it's so

I mean I keep saying original and that's not an original thing to but I've watched this movie and I've never seen anything like it. Now Zelda is a breath of the wild. This is a breath of fresh air. Oh, wow. It's really sticking with me days later, which is not the case with a lot of these Marvel movies.

A lot of them, I'm like, oh, that was so awesome. And again, I don't have to shit on those movies to bring this up. Like, I really like Captain America, the first two Captain America. I love the first Captain America. And I love Dr. Strange, even though he talks strange. Yeah, no, Dr. Stranger's a little. a lot of fun.

Yeah, Iron Man 3, baby. I like Iron Man three quite a bit. I think Chris Cabin and I are some of the fucking lone wolves on that one. Spider-Man was great. Yep, yep, moving on. It's great. I mean, I do think the First Avengers does so much heavy lifting and does do a great job of paying so much off at the same time as like building and like creating this team

atmosphere, et cetera, et cetera. And then you got Jeremy Renner who's just around. Oh, man, is he ever just around? launch him into space and have the fucking Guardians deal with it Jesus Christ He is terrible

We forgot his helmet Now he's dead He is so fucking terrible I think Guardians 2 is better than Guardians 1 And I like both those movies I actually really think that That I watched the first one And like what's his face

Ronan is such a flat nothing That dude sucks And that's a great example Of a villain problem And the second one Like Kurt Russell's awesome And like he his again Much like this movie

Where in his agency has to do with the story and the characters like he wants these certain things and the characters care about that you're totally right even though I still love that Guardian's one I love Guardians one

but you know I actually dislike Avengers and I prefer Avengers too get out of time I'm with him on it actually what really I don't like that first movie that fucking evil robot dude are you kidding I kind of like the evil robot

I got to rewatch it I was that was one of those movies where I was like fuck that movie's like what that movie's kind of cool I will say this because I believe I have told this story before on the air and it's the only time I've seen this movie like I said I do not revisit these a lot when I saw Avengers Age of Ultron I was like sitting next to a security guard who was like he should have been standing but this dude sat down and fell asleep and was like snoring through the whole movie and I was getting frustrated

because there I am trying to vape in the theater like anybody else in a fucking 11.30 p.m. showing on Thursday night, you know? When is Black Panther 2 scheduled to come out? Are we waiting like 10, fuck it, or five years or some horror show? You're probably 2020. Get me, get me back, get him back behind the camera. Get this shit going again because I want to see it. You know what I mean? Like, I know they have that Secret Avengers 2 coming out,

Infinity War II in 2019. That's 29th. That's 2019. Yes, they backed it up. Infinity War II. It's not called that, but yeah. We don't know what it is, but it's another Avengers movie slated for 2019. So, Thanos is defeated, and then Thanos Hitler comes along in Infinity War II. No, I mean, I think it's just going to be a thing where this Infinity War movie is going to end on some obnoxious cliffhanging.

Yeah, here's the thing, dude. We're going to be fighting Infinity Wars for Infinity. Yeah, seriously. It's like, you know, the very long engagement. Remember that movie, the Jean-Pierre Genu movie? Don't fucking put very long in that movie's title. Oh, good God. I thought I was going to die in the theater.

But you don't have to, you don't worry about Marvel's future because this is such a cool and strong foundation. But again, I don't necessarily need Black Panthers showing up in Captain Marvel and stuff like that. I mean, I think he's great. I'll watch him in all of it, but like I just, I like him on that nation. Well, because it's just, it's, you know it's going to be lesser than this. Yes.

You know it's going to be less than this. You know that when he pops on Infinity War, you're going to be like, well, fuck the rest of the character. that I loved aren't going to be. Maybe some of them will be. It's because this movie really works as a contained movie. This movie could come out just itself without any, you know, without any of the other Marvel movies existing.

And you'd say it's a great movie. But, you know, even as good as Spider-Man Homecoming is, it doesn't exist without Iron Man and that Marvel universe. Yeah. Which is kind of a fault to that movie in a way. The thing with the sequel is, is at Coogler, after how well this is the box office, it is a fucking insane like unbelievable.

Oh, it's outrageous. He can write his ticket. Like he can really, they have to come to him at this point. Yeah. They really do. But they, I mean,

he'll probably come back. Well, is he still doing creed to? That's the thing is he's not doing creed to. Oh. So he will walk away from a franchise. Yeah, that's true.

He will do that. Yeah. Interesting. And I mean, you really, he could do whatever project he wants now. Yeah. You would be an absolute idiot not to do it.

And he's so young, too, which is. 31. Oh, it's just sickening. Isn't it just sickening? It's sickening, but it's also inspiring because we're going to have a lot of movies out of this guy. Yeah, totally. Yeah, no, I'm super excited about that.

Can I have one more nitpick? Sure, sure. Sorry. I do that United Nations scene, which is really good, needs to be before the credits. You know what? As a Stinger, it's a bad idea. And that's what they do in some of these movies. I'm glad that the Stinger isn't like, oh,

I found an infinity stone and a Wakanda. Like, I'm glad it's not that. Yeah. But a stinger, like, it should just be a totally nice piece of fluff for the fans to enjoy. Yeah. But to have it to be part of the movie. Like, that's a, that's a scene in the movie. Yeah, well, there's probably like a contractual thing.

Well, you need this many stingers. Yes, exactly. I guess I'll move an actual scene to this. Well, that's what's annoying right now. You know what, Kevin, all right, Kevin, you want your stink? All right, you know, Kevin, sit down. Just shut up. All right, you got one stinger.

And then, you know what, Bucky could be in the next. one. It's interesting because now we're in a world where it's a fucking mandatory twofer. Yeah. What the fuck did that? Now it's two fucking stingers. God damn it. You give these people in an end.

She'll give you two stingers. I think, though, to sort of counter that, I like that the movie proper ends in Wakanda. No, it ends in Oakland. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it ends the Wakanda's story. Which I kind of actually don't even think that United Nations scenes even needs to exist. because I love that scene in Oakland when it's her and him.

And he's like, this is where, you know, this is where our father killed our uncle. And this is where Kilmonger is from. And then she's like, kind of, we're going to build this thing. And, like, it's really hopeful. And then she's teaching the kids about the spaceship. Right. And they have a lot of fun jokes. So it's not, like, too sappy.

And it's beautiful. And then it's like, here's this sort of like, press conference. It's like, okay. But that is a powerful fucking monologue. It is. Because, you know, like, killmonger wanted to use their technology to overthrow all these other governments. And I guess, Steve and I were talking about this earlier

like the message of the film partially is to like open your borders be transparent in a way that you weren't and then you won't be able to be taken advantage of the way Kilmonger did I like the most direct riff at Trump you know what I mean it's only the fool would create boundaries

the theater I was in went fucking crazy absolutely and yeah I'm being too hard on it but I just think it needs to be before the bump it's that Roger Ebert thing like once your credits happen your movie's over Sure, sure. That's why I was fine with fucking Dr. Strange filling up Thor's beer. It was a nothing

scene for a nothing slot. Right. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I don't know. I guess my argument is like it's kind of cool that we're using a stinger scene to do something. Yeah. Because it's just, it's not only is it like setting up whatever, but it's also like

just this contained thing. And not just like a knock at trumpet, but how about what a cool notion of hey man why don't we just be a fucking race of people on a planet that's like some serious like Star Trek thinking yeah they have UFOs and tons of weapons they'll be fine they're not going to be taken down from inside or without yeah yeah although I will say

it kind of detracts from Wakanda is the fact that I know agents of shield and everyone else have fucking aircraft hover carriers and what they ever fucking else right right I think that the deal was it's it's it's fight it's fucking kugler in a room and and you know he uh kuzler shows him the script and like uh... figgy reads that amazingly sharp last killmonger line where you're like holy fucking shit oh totally this movie did it and like if ike's like can i have two stingers then like what if what if there's gonna be because that's you know this is real i mean that's that's what i love about that scene is it's so like because you do this whole thing

and like you you are against killmonger but then he comes out with this thing of like you know fucking bury me in the ocean. Like, you know, it's like, holy shit. Yeah. Okay, Ryan, you get that line. But the kid from Moonlight's got to be in the Oakland scene. You know, we could set up Moon Night. Hey, hey, Ryan, are you interested in Moon Night?

What I love about the... Is anyone? I don't know what a Moon Knight is, but... All right. That's a character, right? It is a character, yeah. Okay. There's a...

It's a comic book character, right? No, the character Steve plays Back on our old sketch days He was really obsessed with creating moon nights The character was a medieval knight Who would just moon people It was just because Steve wanted to show his ass on the stage Of thee tired of my ass

Now Braveheart was very popular at the time Steve got a little carried away with it What I love about So the opening when the Wakandan ship flies away and you see the kids looking up and it's kind of this moment of like awe like oh wow like look it's a spaceship ball

and what's so brilliant about that is how when they go back to that scene it's totally fucking undercut because Eric it's Eric and he goes up to the and it's like totally fucking yeah that's the worst day of his life playing a double it's perfect it's so so fucking smart in that way

and yeah man just to go back to it for a hot second that killmonger line that is why this is a purpose perfect, like, you know, Villain for this film. Like, he stays true to his thing. Like, his dying breath is the same on-point message as he's been doing for the rest of the movie. He doesn't fucking, you know, recant on his deathbed

and, like, go back on what he was saying. I mean, it's sympathetic, obviously, but it's not like I wanted to be friends with you the whole time sympathetic. You know what I mean? Yeah, I wish we had more time together, because... Yeah, exactly. Like, that does not happen in this movie at all.

Did anybody have any, like, good theater-going experiences or anything like that? I saw this at Alamo, and if you see it at Alamo, there is a really hilarious bookend with Chadwick Bozeman, wherein, like, you know, they do that thing of, like,

they always have a bit about, you know, being quiet in the movie. Right, right, right. It's Chadwick Bozeman telling you, like, to be quiet because I'm going to be watching you. And, like, they do this, like, really kind of fun, awkward pan

where he's, like, really stoically staring at you, freaking you out, and the audience was going nuts over it. And then at the end of the movie, after all the stingers, and after the Marvel Studios thing, it's, they, They cut back to Chadwick Bose, but he's like, I'm still watching you.

It's really like, it's a, and that, the audience was pretty good. And also, I found myself clapping. I don't clap at movies. The audience was clapping. And I was like, I'm clapping, man. Yeah, I was, I was fucking woo-hoo and a he-haw and dude. Oh, you better believe it. It's really a testament to this movie that I had an awful, I mean, it was a full audience.

I had two kids who clearly were just horny and shouldn't have been there. Who were just making out. What mace did we get to? Mecking during black people. They kind of were They kind of were That's amazing And

And they were Shocking violence In that black panther The girl had a Thing On her phone That when it Like when a text came

It flashed a light Oh that's a thing For disabled people That I love That kids just turn on Thanks a lot So I had that I had three crying babies

Oh my God And then the guy Next to me When the movie started People hadn't filled out the entire it was sold out of show yeah they hadn't filled it out of it he kept on jumping to seats thinking people just didn't show up oh dude and he kept on doing it like three or four times and i didn't mind any of it because i was so sucked into the damn movie uh that's

fucking great i was uh i was at a totally sold out theater in brooklyn i saw it bam oh i know you set us all up look at him look at you're your story's the good one i'll quickly mentioned my theater experience. I went to this ghost town theater. I know it was always empty. I saw fucking Transformers the last night. That theater burned down 30 years ago. So we all thought because Transformers,

all these other movies were empty. It was actually the Transformers animated movie. Hair of the dog that bit me, Usher. I went to the... I went to the 11 a.m. showing of Black Panther. Packed. Wow. I'm packed in this ghost hands.

That's amazing. Did you go to the bathroom, you saw a guided dog outfit going down on another dude? That was just Grady and he was covered in blood. It was abnormally red. No, he was going down on me. Hey, dog man, get over here.

I've always been here. I always came here. I was like, before I say the cool thing, the other cooler thing was after the movie, we came out and there were all these kids. The theater smartly had like every iteration of the cardboard standee's, all the characters and it was fucking awesome dude just watching all these kids running around

taking pictures in front of all these fucking things like super psyched yeah and it's that thing that everybody's talking about but you know i was lucky enough to see it firsthand like all these fucking little black kids be yeah oh yeah this is great this is my thing holy shit and just fucking so excited and i'm sitting there like yeah i just fucking sore thor three again yep just another one you know what i mean that was cool i was at alamo they were having at the same time, I think it was an African business person conference or something. It was a sponsored

screening and everybody was an African garb. Everybody came to this thing. I was like, that's fucking awesome. You know what I mean? I don't know. It was very different. But so the other less cool thing than kids having this life changing moment for them was we're walking in the theater and my wife starts

like elbowing me and sort of like nods and I'm like is that fucking Paul Giamati? What? And we could not confirm it first. Oh, okay. So I'm like, all right, I see him get on the concession line. I'm like, I'm getting on the line

next to him, right? And then so he's with like a teenage boy and another guy so he's either like his kid and a buddy or the buddy's kid or whatever the fuck. And I just, I sort of like, crook my head a little bit towards him and it's just like, all right, so what do you want to drink? And I was like,

I got to see Black Panther with Baljeumati. It was awesome. Let me just get, do you have wine that you could put in a soda cup? Like, no, that's a real thing that I do. I swear to God, if they recast rhino. There's a fucking rhino! It's not played by me!

Boosie Seltzer. All right, Ryan, this is a really interesting socially conscience script. I think you did a great job here. Can you do anything with the scrolls? Is it too late? Can you just give me half a scroll? Look, Kevin, tell you what. I'll have a t-shirt with Falcon on it.

Oh, cross overcoming. Oh, shit. That's how I do it, Ryan. Thank you. Or a Hawkeye. Yes. There it is. He needs love.

Hawkeye needs love too much. Oh, man. So what's the next Marvel movie? Just to continue the continuation. It's fucking... It's infinity. I don't know. And then I think the...

Amman and the Wasp is also. And then later, I mean, it's not real, but it's venom is happening. Oh, that's a fake movie. Does D.C. have anything out this year? They better not. I don't think so. I don't know what it could be. What the hell could it be?

Better not. When is Aquaman? Is Aquaman next year? Yeah, I think so. Maybe it's... Yeah. Oh, fuck yeah! Alkerman coming.

Oh, well, we'll get to that when we get to it. Thanks for tuning in and hearing our thoughts about Black Panther. Oh, man, finally, four white guys talking about Black Pan. Everybody wanted it. What a groundbreaking conversation. Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin. Chris Cabin. Steven Seda.

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