We Hate Movies - S8: WHM On-Screen: Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi

Episode Date: December 19, 2017

On this very special On-Screen, the guys share their (potentially controversial) thoughts on the all-new saga entry, Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi! There is much talk of Luke Skywalker, porgs, Chewbacca's piloting skills, risky lightsaber misunderstandings, parking on the beach, adult babies, fan expectations, Yoda's comedy career, and more!  Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi stars Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Lupita Nyong'o, Domhnall Gleeson, Laura Dern, Kelly Marie Tran, Benicio Del Toro, Gwendoline Christie, and Anthony Daniels; directed by Rian Johnson. Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a headgum podcast. Welcome to WHM on screen, everybody. I'm Andrew Jubin alongside the whole gang. Eric Siska, Steven Seidai, Christopher Cabin. We are here talking about, of course, Star Wars, Episode 8, the last Jedi. Now, we'll say up front, if you haven't seen it yet, well, we're just going to talk about this movie.

So, spoiler alert, man. Yeah. Spoiler alert, my babies. Shut your mouths. Shut your mouths now. So I want everyone to start calling me Supreme Leader Siska. Okay. I'm not doing that. First off the top.

No. SLS. Look at that. Well, we've been doing that behind your back ever since you got that huge scar on your face. Sheep.

I appreciate it. Sheep. No, I'm not doing it. There's also the indentation in my skull, but I'm glad you didn't mention that. Everyone needs to stop calling me Jabba Dusaydak.

I'm fucking sick of it. That's going to be on your tombstone pile. Sorry to tell you. And if it's not, I'm going to get you a tombstone that does say that and put it where your normal tombstone is.

You know what I want on my tombstone is, Peperoni. Yeah. Okay. So the last Jedi is a movie. Sure. It sure is. It's a great movie.

I think it's pretty gosh darn great. Yes. So end of on screen. Thank you for all tuning in. We all enjoyed the movie. Yeah, I flat on board. I loved it the first time. I wound up seeing it again last night.

Nice. Really, really loved it again. I saw it twice as well. Yes. Double dip in. A lot of time on my hands this weekend. but I, it was worth it. Yeah.

Is it, this isn't really a place to start, but what the heck? Is it better than the Force Awakens? I think so. I think so. I think so. I do too. And I love the Force Awakens too. And I think the Force Awakens was what it needed to be, which is like this, it's, it's,

you're trying to get everybody's confidence back. You know what I mean? You had a couple of bad seasons as a baseball team. You know what I mean? Oh, you were in a slump. Exactly. You got to get everybody back on your corner. You have a, you have a big parade.

And it's like, oh, these are the things I love. It's like, it's, remember these days, remember that. And, like, it's also a good movie that introduces great characters. But it just is, it's, it's a very much, like, let's get back to where we want to go. There's also, there's a building of mythology. There's grandeur in Force Awakens. Yes.

And, like, that's something you lose in this. And I noticed it, but, like, there's so much character development done here and so much, like, based in the moment. Which people, I think, are very much, like, not realizing. Like they got to the movie and they're like, well, I want to see, I want to know everything about everything. The expectation is built up in the fan theory garbage that you've been reading for so many years. That's the biggest problem. But the character development is there. And some people have been saying the sequence of the casino planet Cantobite with Finn and Rose is useless, which is a very wrong opinion.

But like that's, you lose me immediately when you start talking about uselessness in movies like this. Right. Because I'm like, I like, what I like about this movie centrally is it's kind of weird. Yes, yeah. It's a kind of weird movie, and that was the best parts of the original trilogy, was that there were weird creatures everywhere, weird shit was happening all the fucking time. There's a fucking fish with tits in this movie. That fish has like nine tits, I think, an odd number of tits. Why I love that sequence, though, is because I'm fascinated by, and this is why.

I really need to rewatch Rogue One because I got a lot of this out of that movie too. The world beyond the saga. Yeah. And this is just like, here's some shit that goes on in the world of Star Wars. And you know also it's a very important thing

because it's this movie making a statement on fucking class shit. Yes. Like big time class stuff is happening here when she's like, the people on this planet are fucking scum and whatever and you're like, what could she mean?

And it cuts to like the waiter or whatever and you're instantly like, Yeah, it's this grandiose, whatever the fuck, rich people city, and they're scum. And they're making like a real fucking message in the movie that I'm sure tons of people miss. And we're talking about war profiteering stuff. Like so much of these movies, we only see the area where the battle happened and the area where the battle will happen. And that's it. It's kind of cool, like you said, to go into a different area of this world.

You also get Benicio del Toro in this sequence, which I actually really like him in this movie. He was fantastic. I loved him. He's doing a weird, like, stuttery thing. It's been a while since, like, Benicio has been, like, normal for a while. It's good to have weird Benicio back. Weird Benicio is, like, usual suspects, Benicio. Snatch Benicio.

Like, it's like, I'm just doing this for me, Benicio. He's being kind of weird in Guardians. Yes, he is, yes. I guess you mean opposed to, like, a Sicario. And he's like, he's like a Han Solo without a heart of gold. Like, literally, like, when the chips are down, I will walk away from this and be fine. But I'm kind of a nice guy. like I'll give you back your neckliss, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, exactly. And people were like saying how like, oh, this whole section was useless or whatever, which is totally wrong because Benicio is the one that ends up telling the first order about the transports. Sure. I mean, it's, and Finn and Rose grow, these characters learn about failure and being brash boys. You can't always be a brash boy. Well, yeah, the whole, like all, they all fail, Podamerin.

Well, it's strategic survival over bombast. Yeah. That's the whole message of the whole thing. Well, Poe Dameron's hole jamming in and get it done. Like, he has two fucking incredibly powerful women in Laura Dern. And Carrie Fisher telling him, like, look, man, your way of doing things is fucking wrong. And I love the whole thing about like all those bombers getting killed at the beginning of the movie. And he's like, look, but we got the thing.

And she's like, yeah, but how many people are fucking dead? Or she has the line like, oh, yeah, dead heroes or something like that? these characters learn things by the end of the movie. Luke learns a lot. Oh, yeah. Po learns a lot. You know what I mean? And like they learn through doing.

They learn through like the experiences this movie gives them, which is something that's, you can't say a lot for big blockbustery movies because it's just when's the next explosion. And by the way, the explosions are fucking fantastic in this movie. It's amazing and they're frequent, but it is like a difficult movie for some people.

Because like I'm sure when Empire came out, you know, yet but soon soon I will be on my way I'm sure people read it as a difficult film as well all your heroes go down Han Solo is frozen in a block and they have to wait three years for Return of the Jedi to come out I mean I think that that's another thing what I like about this movie is it's so

unpredictable like more so like and Force Awakens like a lot of people threw stones at it because it was so close to a new hope beat for beat or whatever and I'm not going to have that argument I don't think it is, but it's close enough, and I do see that. Right. But this does, this like goes into weird directions and big surprises happen. You're like, wow, that is totally fucking up

the next, I don't even, what is the next movie going to look like? I have no idea. Well, the world building too. Well, yeah, there was, the last, I think Force Awakens was a revival of the mythology. Yeah. With new blood and everything. This was a complete rejection of mythology. Yeah. But this is what... And for the better, I

mean that. It totally is. But this is what I find totally fascinating, just from like the light bit of internet digging that I've been doing is the same people that were like, Force Awakens, it's just the same thing. Those same people are now complaining that this movie is too different and it's not Star Wars and what did I just watch?

You know what, man, somebody said this on Twitter. One of the film writers I follow on Twitter was like, gosh, I remember the days when people were fans of things they liked. Yeah. What the fuck do you want out of these movies, man? There's a lot of people, a lot of people like this who they, they hook their entire personality onto being disappointed with everything. Yeah. That's a pretty cool way to go through life, guys.

So this has to be bad. It can't be good. Not only that, like the Force Awakens detractors are the same people because also what I was saying about the brash boys is a lot of the movies about these young men making sudden decisions without looping out. anyone in and the and people watching young brash boys in the audience are expecting that to follow through and win every time just because Anakin Skywalker did or whatever yeah right it's like it's it's about failure and you know what you have to grow up these characters are doing a lot of growing up in this movie yeah totally and I mean like the woman thing is obviously like the elephant in the room here like a lot of people not even a lot of people a lot of a lot of noises being made

about like oh my god there's so many women in this movie or oh my gosh they they totally neutered all the men and all the men that i came to see and blah blah blah like since when is it an s jw whatever i almost choked on my red pill i was taking and i mean like honestly if you think it's a new thing that women like star wars you're fucking nuts man like i grew up in a house where i had two older sisters that loved star war so much more than i did they they read the books they know more about that shit than i did that that shit rubbed off on me because that's women love Star Wars they always have and they always and now they like actually have a bunch of characters to look to as opposed to one that's what's called progress and not

just like social progress narrative progress and like you know everyone views me as the star wars nerd on this show and it's like my my wife amy she she bought she bought a ton of timothy zahn books she watched five of these movies in a row with me the other weekend to prepare for this like just as much of a Star Wars fan as I and it's also like I'm so I'm so It's representative of the world you live in when half the world is women, when half the fucking, not even, and that's the thing is I was doing some, like, numbers. Like, they're not even half the cast. Like, half the cast is, of the major cast is still mostly, man. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, it's just because they're, the ones that are there are making, like, the big decisions and doing awesome shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Laura Dern is one of the most badass fucking characters I've seen in science fiction in a long time. And you get it in this. You're not getting it in fucking those Star Trek movies. You're not getting it there.

You're not getting it in Moon with Sam Rockwell. You're not getting much in Moon and Sam Rockwell aside from Sam Rockwell. By the way, do you guys know that that movie Moon is the easiest Kevin Spacey movie to fix? Oh, yeah. You get Christopher Plummer right in there. Just get Christopher Plummer voicing that computer. Oh, man, dude, the plum bot. Roll them out.

someone send word to Duncan Jones about that man I forgot that he was in that movie to be honest he's the only other character yeah I mean like and the Laura Dern is awesome she like and yeah but it's also like she teaches Po that lesson you know what I mean so po is a better character at the end of the movie than he is at the beginning of the movie yeah and that's what a fucking character arc you know what I mean but they don't want a character arc yeah they just want you so funny it's like all these all these people were talking about like oh a Mary Sue, this or that, but that's what they want. That's actually just what they want. They want

a Marty Sue or Marty Sam. They don't want it to be a woman. And also people had problems with, oh, I was doing all these theories and thinking of who Ray's parents are. And it didn't really matter in this movie. And I'm mad about that because it should matter how you're born. Because I'm a dude on the internet, man. You should fucking be born, right. love that turn though more than any of the other fan theories that get water thrown on them like oh my who's the real identity of snook oh he just got a lightsaber through the gut and it doesn't fucking matter at all which is great but i love that fucking kailo's just like you've always known who your parents are there's a fucking bunch of junk traders that sold you for shit and by the way they're just buried in unmarked graves back on jacu hashtag relatable dude that's paupers grave i see

that seriously a pauper's grave that's what he says yeah because the skywalkers and these aristocratic families don't really matter there's been Jedi forever and who says that they have to be from this fucking royal bloodline if it was the other way around if she was luke's daughter or palpatine's granddaughter half the internet would roll their eyes and say oh my god that was so obvious or i saw yeah i saw it coming and with Snoke dying so suddenly and in this movie is great because if they held it for episode nine, everyone would be like,

oh, that's just copying, Return of the Jedi. While we're talking about Return of the Jedi, or while I am, I want to mention, I want to mention so many people are pissed off about Snoke because they're like, oh, I didn't find out what high school he went to. And I wanted to just point out,

in the original trilogy, The word Palpatine has never said. It's just the emperor. Palpatine is from the novelization. And just fan culture started repeating it. You know nothing about him. Yeah. In the movies, you know nothing about him other than he has that power.

Absolutely nothing about him. And that's a benefit to the character. And I think it's a benefit to Snoke. It's scarier, not knowing. Well, that's, it's interesting that they are able to do because like both Andy Sergis and Laura Dern do so much with characters that don't, don't have mythology to them at all likely will not have

mythology. I'm sure they will have like expanded universe novels. Somebody's writing a book I know, shut up. But that's where it belongs is my point. Yes, of course. Po Dameron, when he finds out Laura Dern's character name is like Oh, Holdo I think our name is Haldow or whatever.

Yeah, like so and so. Battle of whatever the fuck Hold on. You're ready for season four Clone Wars. Right, there's a book. You know what I want? I want them going on a nice date. Because the tension was palpable. Well, they got bigger things to do. I'm just saying it would have been a stevie scene. Your fucking mind always goes to the gutter.

You know who else they? Not the gutter, the romance. Well, there's a fuck gutter. I know where you. There's a fan. Welcome to the fuck gutter. There's sort of like a fan theory or inkling around the internet that I kind of like, I'm kind of into is make Poe Damron your first gay character. Oh, wow.

You know what I mean? like that's what we're missing in these movies. You're right. Oh, man, that, that will turn, you will turn a lot of people to the dark side if you make him the first gay character. I'll tell you that much. They'll be marching in the streets,

these fucking idiots. I think, I think it would be pretty cool. I know, I would be way into it. I mean, then why not? Like, it's, it's, I'm actually kind of curious about the quote unquote romance is going on because, like, I'm, like, Finn and Ray sort of had a romantic tension in the first movie, right?

Yes. That's not happening. It seems like they've, that's gone and now it's going to be... That's cool. What I was wondering if it's going to be, is it going to be a triangle with her and Rose and Finn, and then another triangle with her Finn and Kyleo there? I think Finn is going to get very jealous. Uh-huh.

Because she clearly is going to, I mean, like, I... She wants the fuck eyes in this movie are just going crazy. She, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a second. Who has fuck eyes for who? Ray has fuck eyes for Kylo, Ray. Yeah, I mean, that's a big time. But this is. my thing, though, is I think if the opportunity

for a Ray Finn thing was gonna plant any kind of seed, you would have seen it in this movie? You have to. You don't. When he runs out when she's amazingly lifting all those rocks and whatever, that's just a I'm happy to see my friend hug. Sure. That's all that is. They cut in close and they do like

a shot, reverse shot on both of their faces and neither of them are like, I'm gonna fuck this person. I will say, I mean it's the first woman he says. It's the first woman he sees outside of stormtrooper camp yeah yeah that's true i mean i think that probably a mature choice and like and now he seems to be with rose like as a partner he kisses rose oh no rose kisses him but yeah yeah uh but and yeah uh ray and kilo are doing like these like you up late night texts i love i love the way that these things are structured man it's like you're

hearing a chat room yeah it's so fucking how's your day going to the point where she does that there's that great one where she's like, well, you please put his shirt on. This is what I realized in the second viewing, actually. This, those scenes perfectly set up what Luke does in the end because what it's showing you is, because they very specifically show you that they can see each other so the Jedi's can project their images throughout space and time, et cetera. Even Luke Skywalker sees Kylo Ren talking to her in real time in that hut. When they touch hands or whatever, and that's when he loses his shit.

And like, that's where like that, that's why that end. is so cool because you don't really see it coming because the whole movie has been directed in such a way but it's right there it's great that they keep it sort of like hidden away like that here's another message for people if you think

because I've read this a bunch of different places if you think that this isn't just me saying this but if you're one of these people that are like Luke Skywalker was squandered in this movie Luke Skywalker did nothing in this movie bend over and go fuck yourself you should

be barred from watching movies, man. He's great. I've seen so much like, this is waste. I saw it. Let me tell you this. I tweeted about this. It's fucking fun as hell. Go to IMDB. Look up the user reviews for this movie. Sort by lowest. You will see some of the funniest

fucking shit, including a guy. He was the man who was so fucking upset that Luke Skywalker has the great move of chucking the fucking lightsaber behind his back. He was like, you have destroyed 40 years worth of

beloved character development he would never throw his lightsaber first of all you haven't you haven't seen him in so 30 30 years and he's evolved beyond the petty squabbles of man much like Yoda

on Dagaba who's laughing his tits off every fucking day he couldn't give a fuck about the empire he couldn't give a flying fuck about the empire so why should Luke but do you know why that happened though dude because in Dagabaah they fucking legalized.

Legalized it they have. How is the kite I am? I'm fucked up. I believe it. With his little scene in this movie. Which is great. I loved this. Big question, though.

Was that a puppet? It's probably more puppet than not. I think it was 50-50 maybe. Yeah. Because like that first shot, I was like, ah, fuck it's a computer. But then as you get in there, you get fucking in that scene,

I was like, this is either a puppet or it's very smartly a computer construct made to look more like the puppet than not. Yes, exactly. I think that's either or. Which either of those, I think it's fucking awesome.

And it's a great scene. It's really like, it's really poignant. It's like something that again, you waited 30 years for like grown up Luke learning one more lesson from Yoda, which is about being a master and how that means failure. You know what I mean?

About like having to lose a... And acknowledging like you're a success when you're, your student, your ward, whatever, exceeds you, it passes you. That's not even, I mean, for me, it was just seeing malevolent. Like burning that tree?

Burn it down. Insurance money will collect. Pays off double if it's a religious site. He says something about how like, oh, Ray's already gotten everything she needed from you, which on my second viewing, I noticed on the Millennium Falcon at the end, the Jedi texts were in the Falcon.

I didn't notice that at all. I guess that's when Luke goes into the falcon in the middle of the night. Oh, maybe he left it for her or maybe she took it before she left. I think she took it because he was trying to burn that motherfucking shit. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. I do love this. I love, I mean, I just love how this movie looks.

Like, I think that Abrams was, and I'm actually very glad that he's come back for the third one. Well, because that's going to, it's going to reaffirm mythology. Yes. When he revived it, he let it, like, do its own thing. and now he can rebuild it. And I'm excited for that, but I do think this movie visually is so much more impressive

than Force Awakens. Just like some of the shots are like, A to Space Battles are the most exciting I've seen maybe ever in any movie. They look really good. The lightsaber, I'm not lightsaber, the lights, oh shit, hyperspace kamikaze.

Yes. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. That's fucking great. Her in the mirror cave, which is really cool. That was great. And again,

think of subverting expectations where it's like, oh, she's going to go down there and something's going to, really intense is really going to happen. And I've seen people say, well, that's a worthless scene. It's like, no, it's about taking the air out of the balloon a little bit. Like, you know what I mean? Not every pathway you go down leads you to exactly the greatest answer in the world. It's like this thing of like, oh, wow, cool mythology. Nothing. You know what I mean? Like it's supposed to be deflating and that leads to other stuff in the movie. Which is like something being deflating or like the nothingness of the universe. Like this shouldn't be negatives. This is something

you really need to grapple with because you are going to die. No, seriously. Yeah. Or if we're really lucky, man, you just realize that like you've done it all. You've come as far as your road has been paved. And then you just become one with the force and vanish

into everything. Which is such an amazing part of this movie. Is he having a heart attack? No, man. His robot arm is tingling. Yeah, I thought stroke. It's just like, because obviously, like, over-exerted himself a little bit. Oh, do you think he, then he gets back in that position and he's like, and now it's time for me to go?

Yeah, I think he's just like, you know what? And now here's the next leg of the journey man. No, I don't think he was stricken with a heart attack. The astral projection, I think, like, he had to use so much force to do that, that, like, this is it. The funny thing was, like, so the first time you see the movie, I was really, like, surprised that it was a, it was a, it was a, projection at the end, which is, oh yeah. It's a great twist. This is where I got hit

by a bus, because I thought it was a projection the whole time. Well, because you noticed that his beard is different. His hair. His hair. I just thought he cleaned, yeah. I thought he was like, I thought he went to those like frog maids to give me the old razzle dazzle for one last ride. No, no, no, no. He's like

an old, like, beast creature from a Miyazaki movie. He's not changing his ways. He's clicking all that milk. yeah like he's an old crank was that a Duback by the way no dude do you fuck yeah no those are native

you can't that looked like a green milk more than a blue it was a bluish green you know like a foam green yeah oh man but no I think yeah he's just like you know give me the razzle dazzle you know what I mean like it's like fucking he's like

Roy Scheider and fucking uh all that jazz I really expected yeah I mean I that's what I thought too because you know you see Luke's X wing under the water and even I was getting a little choked up I was like oh my God I thought I was like that's what he flew

I was choked up for 80% of this movie that's why I had to see it again because I would my asshole was clenched this entire first viewing I don't know what's gonna happen and I feel like that's also some of the problems certain fans are having is your expectations are crazy for Star Wars

see it again you don't have the benefit of 35 years of watching it on VHS. I mean, I will say, like, look, there are legitimate, if you think this movie is too long, you might be right. If you think that the casino thing actually doesn't add anything to the movie, like, it's not, I don't agree with you, but you might be right. You know what I mean?

No, you might not be right. Once you say SJW, I stop listening to you. Okay, Cantobite adds something great to Star Wars lore. He added my new favorite Star Wars character. Oh, the little thing that Mark Hamwell voices? No, not at all. Oh. The three-second cameo of Justin Thoreau.

Oh, yeah. And it was the dapper gambler. Yeah. Master Codebreaker, do master codebreaker. Also described as a poet with a blaster. Yeah. Oh, dude. Get ready for that EU book.

It's going to be thick. Fucking pre-order that shit. I love the little greedy little. Oh, yeah. He looks like a critter from a critter. Danny DeVito. Yeah. It's Danny DeVito and fucking Space Jam.

And Mark Hamill does the voice of that thing. Remind me of Lepricon. He did, oh, yes, yes, he kind of did. Yeah, you're totally right. I will also say, I mean, like, I also think, like, I love all the stuff on Snoke's ship between Rose Benicio and Finn, you know? Like, I think that those are, that's a really cool sequence. Phasma has a real, like, Phasma's the Boba Fett of the series. You know what I mean?

Like, she certainly is. She's exactly the best. Certain fans are like, oh, she's just a barma fat. It's like, okay, so you're citing press. A lot of Star Wars fans Like they get away from Star Wars in their head It's like no, it's Star Wars, it's goofy Yeah

It's meant to be goofy, it's fun, and it's dumb But I also think the Rebel Scum line's pretty fucking cool man It's a good, it's a good line And she gets her moment, like she's taking blasters, you know what I mean? Like she doesn't get like she doesn't give a fuck I mean like I wanted more from that character a little bit But in a Boba Fet way, I was like, oh, she's so cool I would love to say that.

But that I feel like, but that I feel like is another, I haven't seen anything about this, but I feel like that whole character arc is eating a bit of shit from these fucking adult babies on the internet because again, that was one of those like, oh my God, dude, just wait for episode eight

fucking Captain Fasma, look out blow. She's in this movie for three minutes and is consumed by fire and it's amazing. Sure. And the second I was watching it happened, I was like, the internet's not going to like this. But I mean, I thought it was great because you know what? A beautiful death is all you

can ask for that's exactly right dude i want to leave an exquisite my favorite scene of this film on snoke ship the pectorian guard fight oh man chilo and you know obviously ray and snoke gets

gets cut in half and then just fighting the royal guards which is something I feel like everyone's always wanted to see you know the emperor had these royal guards they never fought it was like a ceremonial thing almost i think i think because of the the mythologizing that went on

and because he's been he gets killed like Snoke I thought Andy Circus did an amazing job in this role I like he did good this performance the fucking was really menacing

like I actually felt like imposed by him and for a thing that you only saw on like a holographic projection in the last movie like they made it look really good I will say this and it's a smart move on their part

and like you know everyone's like oh my God Snoke and like it's a huge misdirection because Kylo is obviously the villain of the trilogy and he's the best part of this movie but it's a smart move right you've got Thanos who looks like garbage and then you're like oh

why not let's let's go towards a real actor you know what I mean like and Snoke looks good sometimes better than others but looks mostly good but it's like as opposed to like having an actor and a cartoon fight each other how about two real actors talk and like that's got that's where the conflict comes from.

Sure does. It's a smart move. Yeah. And I really love that scene just for that, like, for that fleeting second where it's like, they are fighting side by side. And you can see like how awesome it would be if he did turn. Yeah. And like, I guess he technically kind of does for, you know, the enemy, my enemy is my friend

thing for a hot second. Yeah. And then he's like back to, you know, being himself, which is kind of great. But like, you get that, you get that thing in this movie. Whereas, like, with Vader, it's really all sort of reserved for Jedi that you get a lot of that stuff. And then obviously he's turned back right at the very end. In this, it's like, oh, second movie, you see that that is there. Aside from people being like, I know there's good in you.

I've seen good in you. This is like, you see it happen for like a split second. But he's also the worst person in the world by a lot. Speaking of almost turning, I actually really like the flashbacks with Luke Skywalker about to kill Ben. my question is so there's this um the first cut johnson did was about three hours and that got cut down to this release it that's my question are we ever going to get those well they said that there's going to be a lot of deleted scenes on the blue race well that's what i'm buying uh because i'm just i'm curious like i want to know like he said there was a big ray scene that got cut from this that they're going to probably actually try to add in for the next for the director's cut like i i have no problem with that thing like the whole like you got to go to a different menu and just like watch nine things removed from the film. If they're worth it enough, like I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff for Star Wars,

like just make a cut of it. Put it all back into the movie. I'm at home. I can watch it over two nights. Where am I going? Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I mean, I do love the flashback of the Jedi Temple. I would like a little bit more.

Like these are the things I kind of want a little bit more of, but I don't necessarily think it's a fault of the movie. One, I want to kind of know a little bit more about Snoke. That's just me. I would also like a little bit more of what happens. happened to the other students like there's the knights of Wren we've heard about question mark I think that is that who they are come up in episode nine of so yeah we're all his buddies he killed all the other students but he left with some of them and that is presumably the knights

of ran that's a question mark and I also like I'm still a little unclear like where the first order came from from the ashes of the empire like but that's more of a political thing and maybe we'll never get that that's okay they put out an EU canon Trilogy of Books by Chuck Wending, I think. I might be saying his name wrong. I don't really remember. But he's popular beyond Star Wars. But no...

He wrote a movie dick. Yeah. So, Darth Ishmael. So I'm reading the second book right now. And it gets into that. It gets into like, oh, the ISB, which is the white uniform guys from Rogue One. And it's kind of becoming a bigger thing in the larger EU now than we booted EU. and they're like controlling Coruscant

and all the other fractions of the empire are splintering and dissolving and there's power grabs and they're all just like disjointed. Yeah. So and in this novel part of the Navy actually rescues Hux's father

who's teaching at an academy. Fred Hux. Yeah, Fred Hux. Fred X, nice to meet you. How you doing? Fred Hux. And his son. Yeah, my son's British.

I don't know. I don't know. I was going to say, is it Brendan Gleason doing an American accent? Yeah, that mutter in his, I don't know. Sorry. And in the, yeah, it's actually, yeah. So anyway, this, little, little Hux is also rescued in this operation. And he's like his illegitimate son, which means, which makes the, when I was watching the movie now, Poe Dameron mentions Hux's mother. I was like, holy shit, that's like a fucking dig that no one else knows but me.

Low blow. I actually, I love, I think that there's probably going to be some more power grabby stuff between Hux and Wren in the next movie. Yeah, dude, Donald Gleason in this movie fucking killed it. He's, he gets what's going on. And it's so entertaining to watch him in this movie. Oh, yeah, he's chewing on scenery left and right. I mean, like, literally he is the only Star Wars villain that could probably be thwarted whilst giving a speech and a cake falls on him. You know what I mean?

He's like, oh, I'm really? And I would be totally okay if that's the end of Hux. See, this thing is like, I also read people complaining about Hux. Like, oh, he was so threatening in the first movie. And now he's like a joke. And it's like, yeah, he wasn't that threatening in the first movie. Yeah, but it's like, that's the thing is like, I'm sorry, but getting up on a pedestal and doing hate speech is cartoonish. You are being a clown and you're going to be, you're going to get a pie in the face.

Oh, my God. So what do you guys think of the comedy in the film? A lot of people were hating it, like the Poe, Dameron, Hux. Oh, I thought that was great. I love it. Again, I liked all of it because that's what I liked about the original trilogy again, is that they, most the stakes,

you've added, you've added the stakes to those movies over so many years of seeing all the other movies and knowing all the other shit. At the beginning, they were just funny action science fiction movies. Well, because also you forget because who could, you know, want to remember these movies, but the prequels are so

fucking self-serious. Yes. And, you know, I mean, sometimes they're accidentally hilarious, but they're not meant to be. But, I mean, dude, that original trilogy has a line in where a man says to a fucking nine-foot dog, laugh it up, fuzzball. I also, my favorite line of all of Star Wars is when Chui is really bitchy to Obi-Wan Kenobi, where he goes, and then, like, and then Han just goes, you said it, Chewy, where did you dig up that old fossil? So, like, Chewbacca's just calling him an old fuzzle behind his bag. It's great. It's great.

But, no, these movies are funny. This movie was very funny. And, yeah, like, but I don't think it's ever at the expense of the movie. Nobody farts. Like, you know what? People say witty things and humorous occurrences happen. And guess what, Mark Hamel's really fucking funny. So he's going to be funny in this movie.

Of course he is. Can you talk about Mark Hamel for a second? Of course. I would like to. I just wanted to quickly mention that. Yeah. I see parallels to Yoda. Yoda is fucking funny.

That is a fucking comedy. That is a comedic performance. Can we recognize that? That's the thing is he's a crank. He's a frang like this is somebody had a great tweet about this about how they famously the hidden fortress Akira Kurosawa that was a huge influence for the first one. They're saying they pulled stuff from all other kinds of Kurosawa movies for this. It's true.

Like the old like drunk characters like that's what he is. He's like Sanjuro or you Jimbo. He's got that thing. Yoda at the end of the day is a fucking Muppet that's in a Star Wars movie. Muppets, by their nature, are hilarious.

That's how it works, man. But no, Mark Hamill in this movie so exceeded my expectations. One, because I didn't think he was going to be in it that much. Like, again, I thought it was just going to be like he's kind of, like when she leaves the island, like in the Falcon, when Ray just is like, all right, fine, fuck it. I was like, all right, well, I guess that's probably it with Luke Skywalker.

But, like, even in those scenes, and when the fucking end thing, I mean, please, my God, it's fucking great. But, like, Mark Hamill kills it in this movie. And it's like, I was thinking about it when I saw that movie Briggs Be Bear that he's in earlier this year, which is like, it's a pretty funny movie. He's good in it. I'm watching Mark Hamill on screen. And I was like, oh, like, later this year, I'm going to see Mark Hamill play, like, his biggest role on the big screening. Yeah. And I was like, I wonder what that's going to be like. Yeah. You know, because the last movie doesn't count. And all we know of this character and how Mark Hamill portrayed him is shit from 30 years ago. And he was so goddamn good in this movie. So the right balance of everything you need this character to be, he was there to do it. He's got gravitas. He's, like, everything that he says has the right kind of emotion to it. Like, I love the idea that Luke is having kind of a crisis, not even a crisis of faith, but like, has come to this realization, like, yeah,

but guess what? Whenever we make a Jedi, there's like a 50-50 chance he turns out to be fucking super-Hitler. So maybe, maybe we'll stop doing that. Maybe we should stop doing it with so many super-Hitlers. And he's got that great thing where he's like sitting by the pool of water

and he is like, hey, by the way, the history of the Jedi is basically failure. He's like, you know, we tried to fucking make this one dude of Jedi and he turned out to be fucking Darth Vader and almost destroyed the galaxy. So that's pretty cool on the part of the Jedi. Thank you very much. We're done with Super Hitler's.

We've had a lot of them. I don't know. I thought he was really great. I loved it, man. It's a fucking, it's great because it's a Han Solo line, technically. When he fucking says to Kylo at the end of, see you around, kid. And he vanishes. Fuck, that's awesome.

Fuck me, that is awesome. It's really great. It's so, so good. It's so fucking. His scene with Leah and Carrie Fisher, obviously like that's like kind of the weird I mean there's a lot of tragedy with the fact that Carrie Fisher is gone but like

clearly they wanted her to be in all three movies clearly like that the arc was going to be her story kind of like a little bit yeah and now I don't know what they I hope they don't talk in her well they've said that they weren't going to do that they've come out and say a lot of things they do they don't they yeah I don't think Abrams

would do it yeah that does not seem like something here I mean maybe his overlords would force it but I mean I don't know I mean but the one thing is like The power of this computer platform is fully operational This second movie

I think for the most part Pretty much picks up right where the last one left Yeah more or less Because like Finn's still recovering Yeah yeah You know or whatever I just feel like this next movie You're not picking up on the fucking Falcon

Like clearly something Sometimes it's gonna pass I really hope so. I don't want a direct sequel. I want some time to pass. Well, I mean, I have no idea what this movie's going to look. That's what's so great is they kill Snoke. So Snoke's gone.

Right. I don't know what's going to happen in this next movie. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like, oh, all I've do is killed a batty and that's the end of it. It's like, well, yeah, you got to get Carlo Ren, but like, what does that look like? What happens? Yeah, what is he doing? I mean, that's what's fucking great is like, this movie ends in a way that's like, well,

let's figure it out. There's nothing about the end of this movie is like, well, they're going to do this next. thing you know or like well they have to do blah blah blah like none of that is set up there's nothing and i i love uh the scene of her floating in space and coming back oh man i love that a lot of people don't like that i know how could she do it how on it's i mean look at some fucking star wars movies everybody's got too god who cares yeah like one who cares two it's star i could see it goes on a little long it's kind of a fake out i actually i was thinking she was going to die this movie when I went to the

theater and like I knew everyone was saying like oh she was supposed to be in all three and I was like yeah they're probably still going to kill her now or something I thought this was like a course correction oh you think so no it's not that's what I was thinking before she before she like goes back into the ship

yeah when she gets sucked out I was like oh I will say that's how they got around that I think it goes on a little too long but um what just the shot of her flying back into the ship Yes. I loved it, man. I thought it was so beautiful. If your biggest problem with Star Wars movie is that someone could survive in space for a few minutes, like, come on.

I mean, it's not a few minutes. It's like a few seconds. Yeah, sure, whatever it is. Yeah, also, because there are a bunch of fucking mystical space hazards, so let's not forget that. Yeah, let's go. Let's go, Chris says. I mean, it's such bullshit. Like, who cares? So, I mean, we all clearly, like, liked the movie a lot. Here's my question. Any hardcore beef with this? movie you know I was I was Steve already listed his grievances yeah I those are my grievances I kind of want a little bit more out of some things but I don't well things that you wanted right but I'm talking about you were like yeah that didn't work I honestly don't think so like the the second

time I saw it I wound up liking it a lot more I had those like oh the the casino planet yeah again like it does it necessarily belong in this movie I think I'm fine with it living here it works in all the ways we've said it works. It's like Cloud City. It shows us like Cloud City was like this kind of a rich mining town that had nothing to do with the conflict for a while and it's, I love

when they come, they show us other locales because I don't want, like, Imperial Occupied planets, rebellion planets, whatever. Like show me something else. How life works, yeah. Show me what's going on in the rest of the universe. And I actually went up liking the last shot a bit more

in the second time around. like the last shot of the kid. Oh, I thought it was great. And it is great. Last shot of the what? Of the kid with the broom and the whole thing. And like I actually like, it was like, oh, that that strikes the right note. You know what I mean?

I mean, everybody caught the thing, right? Yeah, he's got force power. Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's subtle enough. No, it is. I can imagine people missing it. And this goes to the class again.

Like the most low born. Yeah. Can show or can achieve this power. And I like that Luke Skywalker is turned into a folktale too. Like that's sort of what that scene is it's like Luke Skywalker Batchipa patrol. and like, you know what I mean? Like, just saw this character die and everyone was like, man,

it's like, oh no, he lives on and all of our hearts. But that's also, like, the way that they, just to go back to his, his, you know, becoming one with the force thing or becoming the force is like,

the way that that is all set up and him doing exactly what he was doing when we met him in 1977. Look at the sun, look at the sun, dude, I fucking started crying. It's like, it's so, not crying,

but I, you know, well, a little bit. You know, it's like Cabin's laughing at me this fucking heartless fuck over here. Yes, that's what I'm doing. I'm laughing at you and I'm demeaning you. No, but like it's just, it's so amazing because he's looking at it

and I feel like part of the, you know, the great part of, you know, Hamill's performance is like, you can see him looking at that and recognizing like, ah, this reminds me of sons I used to look at it. And like, I've done it. I've completed my mission. He starts out, you know,

this is fucking, you know, useless water farmer or whatever he's doing. moisture from it. Oh, pardon me. Please. Harvesting the moisture and whatnot. Same fucking shit. Luke, you better get that sweat. Luke!

We need some sweat. Dr. Green to sweat trap. Luke, mopping his forehead. This isn't salty enough. You call this sweat? From those days, man, harvesting that sweat. He wanted to be someone who'd make a difference in the galaxy.

Yeah. And he fucking did it, dude. Totally. It's so amazing. It's a really beautiful arc. I have nothing to say. about that. My beef with the movie

Not for Nothing is I wanted a little more Chewbacca. Yeah, I will Kind of bumming. I would like a little more Chewbacca. I would like, A, I want him to eat that fucking pork like an apple in front of everybody.

Yes, I want him to eat the pork. I thought it was the fine amount of chewy. I just, I loved all the comedy with that, though. It's like the one screams and then he's like, oh, pardon me. And he turns around to eat it and there's another one looking at it. I thought the porgs were kind of great.

Porks are awesome. They was built up to such a way that was like, oh, these are going to be like Ewoks or whatever, which is fine. I still like Return of the Jedi. But it was way more downplayed than I expected, which was great. Yeah, like those crystal foxes, man.

Those were pretty cool, too. Yeah, I like that. I love the creatures, just like thinking about that and populating the world. Like, I, again, I, because I kind of knew that he was a projection, that thing felt anticlimactic to me. Yeah. Maybe that will feel better on second viewing.

Sure. I'm, you know, we'll see. how it goes. Okay. I'm still again and again the last shot, it did feel like the end of a Disney marketing reel. I mean, but maybe, yeah, I mean, like I have, these are minor

quibbles, especially for a blockbuster that I'm always going to have some quibbles with. Well, that's, I mean, you got to think about the other blockbusters that we've seen this year. We just recorded an episode on the Fate of the Fury. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, this is leaps and bounds beyond all of

it's leaps and bounds beyond thor ragnar rock you know i mean it's just it is i feel in another class it's totally alone yes this year exciting it's different it's it was surprising i was i did not expect to be totally surprised in this movie like anyone who any name that came out of kilo's mouth would is like you know who your parents are and if it was anybody other than nobody i would have been rolled my eyes like oh okay it's right right what if it was i mean like what was it chubaka Can we get Lando Calrissian in this fucking last movie? Can we... I would love that.

Billy D. Williams is still acting, ladies and gentlemen. Is he? Yeah, and he looks great. You know, I mean, I just like get him in, like, we're sending beacons out to all over the world, all over the galaxy to find rebel help. Well, I know some people who helped me a long time ago. Come on, Lobot 2.

Lobot 1 died. Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah, dude, that was brain cancer. If we do like the scroll And then we suddenly pan down to Lobot one's grave And like Billy D's at it Like having a drink by it I would love it

He's pouring out some space 45 All over it Absolutely man poor Lobot Was there some expectation though That he was going to be in this movie Because I saw you joking about it But I saw several people that were complaining Like you mentioned code breaker

Where the fuck was Landau? I mean I think they just assume That he's got to be in it at some point Why not? shit expectations. So Admiral Ackbar dies. By the way, you know what? Where is the funeral?

Where is the... There's nothing to bury, dude. I want a seven-minute funeral for Admiral Akbar. Eulogy by Mr. Luke Skywalker. They take on... Don doesn't get a funeral, but Admiral Ackbar does. They take all of his little fish pieces and put it in a fishbow and eat it to other fishes. Just a little flakes, that's all that's left.

But Neen Nubb survives this movie yet again. Has an aged... Today, by the way. He was the co-pilot. Neep Dub looks great. Salston's, you know, they don't age as like, as like we do. Oh, God, you know what they are. But he was the co-pilot with Lando Calrissian.

So if anyone has a line on this guy. Oh, that's right. Let's see where he's at. They took out Death Star 2, motherfucker. Oh, man. But yeah, no, I mean, like, yeah, if anyone's got a line, get that. I mean, yeah, I mean, like, it's not a quibble. I just think Billy D is kind of important to this franchise.

And give him a little something. If everybody else is getting something. So is Peter Mayhew retired? He wasn't Chewbacca. Did you notice the saddest fucking credit in this movie? No. In loving memory of Kerry Fisher. No, that was the saddest credit. Well, yeah, that's a pretty sad credit.

The thing that, well, it was the most amusing credit, I guess. Motion Cap by Andy Circus. No, no, no. Peter Mayhew was credited as Chewbacca consultant. Oh, that's cool. You know what, dude? Give him a check. Yeah.

But is he just like, he's too old? He's too old? He's like, how old is he? He's got to be in this. late 60s and I mean it's different those people age a little differently and like you know the super tall yes exactly like he's enormous like Andre the giant yeah like I'm sure he's not as limber as he used to be like right it's tough to get around it's probably a little easier but that's what's funny though in this movie chewie's fucking sitting by the campfire he's in the cockpit great piloting by

chubacca absolutely in those fucking salt caves by the way he was doing some ace driving it was great I loved it, dude. I mean, that whole salt planet sequence is just so stunning and so cool to look at. That's the thing apparently that people were saying, and I got to check it out when I rewatch it, which I will in theaters, which is that you can tell it's a projection because Luke's feet don't make the salt move. It was just the haircut. It was just the haircut. I thought that he wanted to be presentable for what he thought was going to be his own funeral.

He's a salty old bugger. Like, just. No, but it's just a little. Because you bathe three times a week. Doesn't mean everybody else has to. You're going to say goodbye to your sister. You know what I mean? Like maybe.

No, no, no. You want to go kill your nephew? You're going to get a haircut to kill your nephew, all right? It all rings wrong to me. I also think that, you know, Luke's side of the story, you know, which is sort of the ultimate true side of the story, maybe like still a little bit of bullshit. He wants to kill that kid. Well, that's what I loved the Rasha Monnet.

That whole thing. Like, it's very cool. Oh, no, he wants to kill that fucking kid. I mean, but I want to kill that kid. Please do not fuck with it. The ultimate ending is really great. It's where it's only a moment of like, of doubt and that he feels shame and like,

and he plays that so well if you see it in his face. It's amazing. And he just gets caught leaving the lightsaber on. I mean, that's the problem. Once you realize you're not going to kill someone with a lightsaber, turn it off immediately so they don't get the wrong idea. Keep the safety on until you're ready to use it.

It's a loud and bright thing to break out. You know what I mean? You're going to wait. somebody up that's true you could always just put like a pillow over his head and use a blaster too one of the hippest parts of this movie is kailo wren catching the lightsaber and turning it on in that dude's fucking face oh my gosh awesome yeah awesome all right parting parting shots for for star wars episode 8 the last Jedi yeah i mean like i say i think that there are i i rank this really high i like it better than force awakens even though

to chris's point i do think uh force awakens feels more like a real Star Wars movie if you want to say it breathes like a Star Wars movie breathes and the beats feel Star Warsy this is just really exciting and different and is Star Wars but in a different way which I actually really appreciated

I think people remember this more like Empire Empire doesn't really have the same DNA as Star Wars A New Hope does and Jedi yeah yeah so I mean obviously I like this movie this is my fourth favorite Star Wars movie there you go so

it might be yeah I think it's there for me, too. And then Force Awakens is my fifth. It's probably my third favorite Star Wars movie. Above Return of the Jedi? Yeah. I think I like him more than Return of Jedi. Yeah, and like I think it's got its own flavory and Johnson, Ryan, I don't know how you say it.

I believe it's just Ryan. Ryan Johnson. He did a great job. A Rai Rai, Rai. Big O Rai Rai, yeah. And I do think, yeah, I mean, there's the difference of, in the first one, you have to have these big, like, lions. and like speeches to ground it back in it and now you can give them back to them I think now.

Also I do appreciate how in this movie what Finn and Rose really learn don't park on the fucking public beach Yeah do you never do that People on beaches are going to be dicks about parking Is that one guy Carl Urban The Southern? I was kind of curious I read something today

I don't know if it's true that it was Joseph Gordon Levitt Oh really? Oh he has a credit it in the movie, so maybe that was him. Also, rumored to be playing stormtroopers are Prince William and Prince Harry, among other secret stormtroopers. Tom Hardy, too. Yes. Edgar Wright was like a mechanic.

Oh, is that right? Oh, like, resistance. Out of a... Like, you can see space? And, like, for the rebellion, I think. Oh, that's pretty interesting. If there's a, um, some kind of a space toilet that like, you know, Finn has to go in and try and find something and, like,

one of the space toilets is, is being used by some disgusting monster. I'll play that disgusting one. Oh, guarantee. Jupa, chupa means occupy. You do a great job at that, dude. You will even use the three seashells. I will say that while we all love this movie, I know that there are people that do not, which is fine,

I will say it is not fine if you dislike this movie because women are doing shit and there's fucking black people and Asian people doing shit. You can go fuck yourself straight into Steve's fucking shit toilet. Absolutely, no, exactly. There are valid criticism to this movie. I really loved it, but yeah, that's not it. I don't need to be in a theater for three hours,

for Star Wars. Thank you very much. That's my biggest complaint. This movie's too fucking long. Yeah. I feel like it moves. It moves way faster on the second watch. I will say that. I didn't feel it, but I just got out and I'm like, what fucking time is it? Come on, Star Wars. I got things to do. It's Sunday.

That is W.H.M. on screen for Star Wars, The Last Jedi. Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Sadek. Chris Cabman. Eric Sisker. Take it easy. That was a hate gum podcast.