We Hate Movies - S8: WHM On-Screen: The 2018 Academy Awards

Episode Date: March 2, 2018

On this year's very special WHM Oscar Special, the gang makes their predictions as to who will take home what this year, but also rants about who they think should actually win! Will Laurie Metcalf pull it out from under Allison Janney? Why in the world did Meryl Streep get nominated for The Post? Will the stupid Academy acknowledge the greatness of Get Out? And will beloved The Boss Baby become an Oscar-winner? PLUS: How many Shreks were nominated?  Check out the gang's prediction success rate this Sunday and tweet along with the guys during the ceremony using #WHMOscars! Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is a headgum podcast. Welcome to a very special W.H.M. Oscar special. I said special twice. That's okay. It's incredibly special. Incredibly special. Special special. I'm Andrew Jupin alongside Christopher Cabin, Eric Siska, Stephen Sadek. We are here to talk about the Oscars. Just give you our quick rundown of... Ooh, we've got to talk about the Oscars. Oh, Stephen Sagar loves the Oscars in Hard to Kill. That's the movie, right? Yeah, yes. Get some champagne. On that episode, I'm glad we have this forum. sure address this um stephen segal has attended the oscars he did present at one point oh oh right in the episode we were asking about whether or not we thought he ever attended

the academy so thank you anonymous i think he's now in the roman polanski category as if he comes back to american soil he will be justly arrested which would be yeah that's what i every time stephen zagal comes up on the show i want to check in i'm pretty sure he's an enemy of the state he went from Louisiana lawman Oh right Yeah Gumbo's swamp

Captain Enemy of the state Yeah Well I mean I think the Oscars Probably did something similar to SNL And they just banned him after

Oh right That makes total sense So I don't know Let's see First one up Just because We did an episode On one of the movies

In it I want to touch really quickly An animated feature Okay Just because You said, Just Because there's a great crab restaurant near me called Just Be Claws.

Are you kidding? Is your neighborhood written by the team behind the good place? You did that of the Bob's Burgers, folks. Yeah, it's kind of a Bob's Burger is like, come to life. Is it any good? Yeah, it's great. Oh, nice.

All right, so animated feature this year, Loving Vincent, Ferdinand, Coco, the breadwinner, and the previous episode, The Boss Baby. I've only seen The Boss Baby. Oh, is that right? I kind of meant to say it. Is this one of those like me and cabin categories? Probably.

You know, most of them will be. I've only seen the boss baby. I did want to see Loving Vincent, but I did not get around to. Loving Vincent is a movie that's cool in concept, but it really should be 20 minutes. Yeah. This was the movie where they famously for every frame, there was an oil painting. And it's pretty cool, but it only gets you so far. The movie itself is like...

You cut that ear off in that thing? It's post that. Well, that's the thing Because it's a movie It's a movie about He has died by suicide And it's this dude who comes to town He goes to the village where it happened

And he's trying to figure out Did Van Gogh actually commit suicide Or was he maybe mumma-m-m-m-murdered Or did he not exist at all? Yeah, one of the above, right? And so it's like this 97-minute movie And it fucking gets on you Like it just it takes so

and the coolness of the effect. And it is beautiful. But once your eye adjust to it, your brain adjust to what you're watching, like you're not impressed anymore. I think Akura Corosawa had it right to keep it to 20 minutes because in dreams,

there is a Van Gogh section. Yeah, I was going to say every Curacao movie is only 20 minutes. No. Yeah, I'd turn them off after 20 minutes. It was a series of Vignette. Let's get the Yankee game on. Turn this to Karasawa shit off.

Speaking of shit, Ferdinand was terrible. not good. You saw this. Yeah, I haven't seen Coco. Coco is great. I will. Coco and the breadwinner are the two I like. What is that about? It's about a guy that's going to work? It's not even play. It's an animated version of the

Merchant of Four Seasons, actually. Not even close. It is a movie. It's by the people who did Song of the Sea cartoon saloon. They're an Irish production company. And this is, it's adapted from a book of the same name. And it's about a little girl during leading up

to the U.S. invasion in the Middle East. I think you meant of Ireland for instance. No, no, no, no. Not yet. And not yet, we'll get there. We're going into Ireland. Because then it's next stop, Scotland.

And I'll get that fucking golf course. Right, right. No, so her father is a sentence to jail and it's in Afghanistan so the Taliban is taken over and women can't be outside. So she pretends to be a little boy

trying to make her way to this prison to get her father out of jail. Weird. And so that is a bizarre topic for an animated film. Yeah, no, and I saw it at Toronto. I loved it. I think it's really great and fuck the boss baby, which is what we'll probably win. I think Coco. Coco's gonna kill. Here's the thing, though. The academy is full of like

brain dead elderly. A lot of the time, too, it's the movie that makes like the most money, and I think Boss Baby has this thing squash. I think they're both. Coco made a lot of money. And Coco's culturally relevant. Boss baby is a bit too close to a comedy and, you know, the

Academy don't like no comedy. I don't know that the Academy cares about cultural relevance. Shrek one. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, really? Yeah. Yes. And Shrek 2 was nominated. So, that's a big category. They left Shrek the third off, by the way. That didn't get

nominated? I did not. I don't think. All right. Moving on. Best Supporting Actress. We've got Mary J. Blige for Mudbound. Allison Janie for I. Tanya. Lori McKaff, Ladybird. Leslie Manville, Phantom Thread, Octavia Spencer, The Shape of Water. I sadly did not get to Mudbound yet, so...

I think it's... What are you going to say? I think it's really good. I mean, it's just the most depressing movie ever made. That's on my shelf of the most depressing movie ever made where I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll just watch this. One day, I'll see it. I mean, I thought it was like, fine.

I don't understand the hype at all. I think Mary J. Blodge is fine in it. It is a movie. You'll be hard pressed to find it on Netflix. They're acting like it's not even... nominated. That's, oh, that's a Netflix for you.

Yeah. In this, though, I'm kind of assuming it's going to Lori Metcalf. Yeah. Really? No, I think it's no.

It's Elson, Janney, 100%. She is, I believe, the favorite, which I disagree with, because it's kind of... I prefer... She's good.

Don't get me wrong. But Lori Metcalf feels more like a real person in that. And a performance, yes. Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of a problem

with Itania in general. Even though I like It's quite a bit, and we'll get there later, too, I do think that she that Metcalf deserves it over

if we're talking about TV character grizzled character actresses that deserve an Oscar this year I think it's Lori McCaff

it's a little cartoonie it's a little broader and like there's those scenes with Laurie Metcalf like that scene when she's talking

to the suicidal teacher in Lady Bird and it's just her and this guy and like it just kind of and it's also that's the script

and the directing and everything else but like it fleshes that character out to be something that matter so you're saying

that's why she's not going to get the Academy yeah No, I really think it's because everyone's like, oh my God, Alison Janie. Yeah, it seems to be her moment right now. I also want to say Leslie Manville is really good.

She's incredible. I like Octavia Spencer and Shipwater. I think it's, and the role isn't terrible. That's one of the weaker parts of how that role is written, I would say. They should have written out Richard Jenkins in that movie and just upped her role.

I absolutely agree with that. I feel like Richard Jenkins, as much as I like him, I feel like he's kind of a weak link in that movie. Really? I really liked him in that movie, too. I was actually surprised, I mean, I like Octavia Spencer in general, I was kind of surprised that she was nominated for this because I thought it was just kind of such a small nothing role. I don't know. I mean, and she's really strong in it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I like the scenes with her husband and all that stuff. And like, yeah, yeah, yeah. She plays off incredible. Well, I guess, you know what? The thing is that's actually kind of interesting about her performance is so much of it is telling you what, um, oh my God, I can't think of her name, Sally Hawkins's thing.

thinking and doing. You know what I mean? Like, she carries a lot of that movie because Sally Hawkins doesn't speak. You know, like a lot of that. That's true. Those interplays are really good, much like with Jenkins as well. But like I think that that's sort of why I don't know. I should say I saw that this movie in like early September. Yeah. And haven't watched it again since. So yeah. I might be forgetting some of what she did in the movie. Um, uh, so then we go lead actors. We're just kind of like going up this sheet here. Sally Hawkins, shape of water, Francis McDormon, three billboards outside of Bing Missouri. Margot Robbie

I Tanya, Sersher Ronan, Lady Bird and Merrill Streep, the Post. That's the fucking half to nominate. Just because she was in a movie. I don't understand it anymore with this. This movie, I at least understand more than Florence Foster Jenkins, which was one of the worst movies. Which we are still

calling Florence Foster Fuckface. Oh, absolutely right. And nobody's seen it right. And nobody's seen it right. Nobody on this planet. What? Florence Foster Fuckface? No, I saw that movie. I had to see it for work. That's why I'm so betrayal. And it's no good. It is a fucking joke. But I think that it's probably going to be Frannie McDee.

That's not even a probably. She's going to destroy this fucking category. I think it should be Sally Hawkins. I think that she's fantastic. It's the more interesting. And even her or Ronan. Like, Roan is great.

It's a strong category except for, I mean, I think that, like, Fredson McDormon is the only reason to ever see three billboards outside of Ebbing, I mean, the longer since I've seen that movie, the more and more I disliked.

When I first started, I was like, okay, and then it's just like, I just saw it, like, last week, and I really didn't like it. Yeah. And I tried to go in clean, like, I knew that people didn't like it, but I was like, you know what, this could be a movie that I like. And I really tried to keep myself very kind of in that place. I was like, oh, fuck, this movie. I will announce it right here and now.

Martin McDonough never made a good movie. Overrated as shit. It's incredible. Yeah, I mean, I like a lot of his plays. I've seen one put up, which was really cool. I don't know any of his playwork, so. The Lieutenant of Inishmore is one you should read. That's a good one.

The Beauty Queen of Lillane, I think it's called. A Behanding in Spokane, another good one. Galaxy geography. Dude loves geographical titles. Yeah, that movie, it's funny, if that movie had not gotten all the press attention and award attention that it has, I would not have thought about that movie again

after I saw it. I mean, I guess it's a movie that sort of takes itself incredibly seriously. And it feels like an Oscar movie, you know what I mean? So that's kind of why it's here. That's the issue. It's like Mark McDonald has never made like a serious movie.

That's kind of why I didn't care about him. Also, he's trying to make a movie about like serious American issues. Which is just not where he should be. Like he just doesn't have the thing for it. Like stay in Europe. I don't know that that's a valid thing. I mean like who's to say like who can weigh in on what. And also like I don't like these directors coming in and saying.

what Americans do and do not do. Exactly. I'm a nativist when it comes to film. I mean, you know, sometimes it makes total sense to have an outsider's perspective, man. And that's like maybe kind of an interesting thing. Fine. I just don't think the movies. I mean, I just think that even like, the race stuff

is problematic for sure. Sam Rockwell's whole thing is problematic for sure. And we're going to get there. But like, I just think that the movie. But I think like, and you can not like that and it's fine. And I kind of don't think it works either. But like, the point if it is to be problematic.

It's not like they're just doing a thing thinking it's awesome. You take that off the table, it's still a bad movie. That's why I don't like it. It's like the, it's all over the place and like who gives a shit about Woody Harrelson in that movie and why is he? Yeah. Sam Rockwell's overdue. He's had a good career. I've always liked him and stuff.

I thought he was good in three billboards, but it's it's, yeah. It's a bad, I think it's a really badly written character. And just like, in general, I just, it's one thing to bring up a political idea and all this. stuff, but you have to have insight to back it up. And, like, I don't think this movie has any insight.

Yeah, it rings kind of very hollow in their way. Also, by the way, not enough Dinklage. No, that's the thing, too. What are we doing? He's been in all of his movies, right? Yeah, a lot of them. That's a question of Markle, what is Pinkard Dinklage even doing in that movie? Like, at the end, like, he's got his doing in Bruges, nothing as well.

I don't even remember. I saw the movie one time. I think he was in that, right? He was like, I forget those movies. But, like, it's like, oh, wow, it's, like, he's, like, he's, you. He takes her on that date and John Hawkins makes fun of him. And then it's like, he has this big empowered speech at the end. I'm like, you're not a character in this movie, pal.

Yeah, totally. You're not allowed to weigh in. You weren't in this movie. It's almost like, it's almost kind of like the scene in Fargo with the, uh, the guy that creeps her out a little bit. Uh, that date that she goes on. Francis of awkward dates. Kill on the awkward date department. And that's a great scene.

That's a great scene because that's like just sort of it fills the world, but this is like towards the end of the movie, like one of the last scenes in the movie. Yeah. Peter Dinklage having a speech about like I'm great at whatever and like I love that movie because it's they spend so much time with oh my god John Hawks is dating this

18 year old girl isn't that silly meanwhile Woody Harrelson has like this quote unquote great relationship which is actually fine with Abby Cornish was like 19 years old also it's like what are we talking about? That guy was in cheers and she was in fucking diapers like what on earth are we talking about movie? I will say I couldn't think about we were talking about this off

the air and I said that McDuna won an Academy Award for live action short in 2004. The movie is called Six Shooter. Brendan Gleason is in it. I think you can like stream it on Amazon. It might be also on Mooby. You can check it out. It's 27 minutes. It's a comedy short.

These like two guys on a train get attacked by criminals. It's really well done because it seems like it's a thing that could have come from one of his plays. Sure. Like it's single setting, that whole thing. It's not like, I'm looking back at this, like even the poster right now for seven psychopaths. I'm like, fuck that movie. I just could not with that We should do this for these major categories

We all think that McDonald's going to win Who do we individually want to win That's a good call I should have said that at the top Because I think that's also kind of interesting Yeah we think Francis right And I'm looking at this

And I would like it to be Sersha Ronan Okay For actor Actress actress Yeah I think Sally I would prefer Sally Hawkins I kind of think Sally Hawkins as well But I think Francis Oh yeah no yeah

Yeah, we're doing the thinks and then we're doing the what we want is the idea. I was just on IMDB and I believe I was wrong about Peter Dinkled to be in B. Oh, shit. All right.

Were you thinking of elf? Peter Dinklage is an elf. I have never seen Elf. Were you thinking of Game of Thrones? Because he's in that. He's definitely a Game of Thrones. Game of what? Yeah, that's, you know,

in Bruges, Europe. Game of Thrones is kind of Europe. Yeah, three billboards feels like it's 70 hours long. All right. So going on to Best Supporting Actor, we have Willem Defoe for the Florida Project Woody Harrelson three billboards

Richard Jenkins in the shape of water Christopher Plummer all the money in the world and Sam Rockwell also for three billboards It should be Christopher Plummer for Fuck you Kevin Spacey It's a spite move. It's a great spite move It's amazing and I love it Now to have it be nominated

On top of all of that On top of reshooting an entire film's worth of supporting scenes in two weeks Over Thanksgiving the whole thing and it goes on to be a nominated performance. Fuck you, Kevin Spacey. It's a real good fuck you, Kevin Spacey. I've not

seen that and I've not seen the Florida Project. I do want to see the Florida Project. I'll never see Christopher Plummer's all the money in the world. I'm an exact same boat with you, Steve. All the money in the world, I don't think is a terrible movie. It's actually like a quite fine Ridley Scott movie. I will say, I think he is

the best part of it. He is. He and Michelle Williams are great and, you know, all the pay nonsense that happened to upset. Like, I realize all that. But also, it's that rare, like, oh, Mark Wahlberg's kind of good in this movie, too.

No, bro, I'm fucking great. I'm fucking, what are you talking about? Bro, I've been great and fucking everything. You know what? I was in a scene with Kevin Spacey, I schooled him. And then I was in a scene with Christopher Plummer.

I schooled him, too, bro. Hey, Ridley. Can I wear glasses in this movie? I want to feel smart. There's a little bit of that. You can put anybody in that old man's seat. I'll fucking school him. You could resurrect Marlon Brando.

Go ahead. I'll beat the shit out of that ghost. I'll beat the shit out of him like a Vietnamese grocer Because I never forget That he fucking did that He's a hate crime artist Uh

A crime artist So all right Artisan The the thinks Will win I think this be Sam Rockwell Yeah I think

Sam Rockwell But I without even seeing it I'll say Willam Defoe deserve I would like Willam Defoe I would just He is fucking

I'd like to thank The Academy First up on my list of thanks Spider you got me where I am today. Also, Bob Cray. Want to thank that sexy fuck. I just want him to show up in the same exact attire

and look as him in Wilde at heart. Or streets of fire. Oh, yeah. Or fucking to live and die in L.A. Let's get that outfit going. Leather Daddy Willem Defoe? You know what? Why didn't he show up as Interview with the Vampire?

No, no, no, no. Shadow of the Vampire. By the way, just to keep a cute. keep the Peter Dinklage thread going throughout this to further embarrass myself. I was confusing him with another little person actor Jordan Pretense, who actually related to this show played Howard

T-Duck. Oh, wow. Congratulations, Mr. Pre-Ten. I just wanted to get into that and say, put the tweet down. I haven't seen that movie in 10 years. We weren't thinking of the station agent. Yeah, I mean, like, again, I think Jenkins

is very good in shape of that's who I would probably give it to in terms of like things that I really like I like that role I think it's a good role to show the outsiders or banding together in a way but I just I felt like he was flat for me

I also yeah and I would have preferred a little bit more about them together like her and the creature yeah that's true there's a little less of that yeah that's true and I actually think if you're going to nominate for best supporting for that movie I would probably go either stoolbar or

Shannon. Shannon, yeah. I think Shannon's a bit broader and just scary, but I think Stoolbar is actually... Stoobarck. He had three chances to get nominated this year and was snubbed out of every last one. He was good and called me by your name. He's the best part of that movie. Hot take. He is the best part of it. You don't you didn't like the young upstart here? Timothy Shalameh. Yeah, you didn't think he was good? I think he's good. Michael Stoolberg is a better actor. He's more seasoned.

like a fine piece of beef no that monologue alone the end of that army hammer yeah that's your piece of beef man prime cut the monologue that Michael Stoolbar gives in that movie is really good and rarely am I like

floored by acting you know I can acknowledge like oh that was a great performance or whatever that I was like oh look it really got me you know I didn't see it so thanks for the spoiler alert yeah spoiler alert Steve good good performances Michael Stubark says something at the end of the movie great I agree

I guess the movie's out over here because Michael Stoolberg hasn't had a monologue yet. You saw the trailer already, so it's clearly already ruined for you, Steve. I'm on bikes. I think that was a pretty good movie. And I want, that is the one movie that I did not see of the best picture category that I really wanted to do that I didn't get to yet. Right. The, yeah, Defoe in the Florida project, though, is fucking great. And it's, it's unlike anything you've seen Willem Defoe do before, which is why I think it really just showcases, like, this guy can do anything.

He doesn't have to be these, like, cartoon vivid. villains time after time, like, he's playing this, like, very gentle, like, he's Bobby. I run the motel. And it's, like, great. There's a scene where he chases off a fucking old man pedophile who's, like, kind of talking to the kids. It's awesome. Just like that defoe finesse, man, chasing this pervert out of the parking. I can't wait. Quick question. I mean, like, I know why Sam Rockwell is in this. And I agree with Eric. Like, I think it's a fine performance in a problematic role, but it's a fine performance. And, like, he's been doing it for so long. And I'm so glad that he's probably going to win a

an Oscar for this. However, the fuck is Woody Harrelson doing in this? I don't understand. I don't get it. The fuck is he doing anywhere near this category. He's got like five scenes. He's just doing Woody Harrelson again. Yeah. He's doing like, you can tell when Woody Harrelson's getting serious because he like slows

down a little and it will truly be a planet of billboards. I will say spoiler alert and you'll probably want to scroll ahead 60 seconds because the funniest, spoiler for three Billboard's. The funniest suicide I've seen quite some time is

Woody Harrelson in that movie. It is up there with like Brian Brown and cocktail levels of hilarious movie suicides. It's like Mo and that Simpson thing, no funeral on the back. He puts a bag over his head and says don't open it and call the boys. Also dude, you love your wife.

You have this great beautiful day. Da-da-da-da-da. Go to a hotel and kill yourself. Don't do it in the home. Go to the police station. It's right there. Now we've got to sell that barn and the house and everything. This other movie was a bit disappointing, but I thought he was better in the War of the Planet of the apes. Yeah, I was fine

with him getting ape fever in that movie. I was surprised, I did not care for that movie. I didn't see it yet. I like the other two. You know what I like about that movie? Yeah. The idea that the the struggle of man is so inconsequential, and like

once, this is not really a spoiler, but once it comes to a head, like humans kind of don't matter to that movie, which is great. That's where we go. That's where we're all going anyway. Can't wait. So best lead actor in a film. So we have the aforementioned Timothy Shalamee, call me by your name. Daniel

Day Lewis in his probably not final performance in Phantom thread. Believe when I see it. Yeah, totally. Daniel Kalulia, get out. Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour, and Denzel, Washington, Roman J. Israel Esquire. That one I have not seen. I was going to say, has anyone seen? I have. Oh, okay. I've been wanting to rent it. I haven't seen it. It's kind

It's kind of been getting shit on, but I kind of liked it. I thought it was a pretty interesting little movie they made there, and it's just like, it came out at the wrong time, I think. Yeah, it just got buried. Did anybody of note directed? I'm not sure. I think it's Gilroy. It's the guy who did Nightcrawler.

Tony Gilroy? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right, actually. No, now I'm actually very interested in that. I mean, like, I love. The trailer looked pretty good, but I didn't get around to it. I'm always around for the big deal Denzel performance where he's not having a gun. He's better than he's been in a long time in this.

Even in fences, because I thought he's good in fences. I thought this was, there's a character here that's a little bit more complex than he is in fences. Okay. I kind of understood the fences character pretty quickly. It's a little bit more. This is in from the internet, it's Dan Gilroy, who also wrote Kong Skull Island. He wrote Nightcrawler. He wrote Born Legacy.

He wrote Real Steel. That's kind of funny. Real Steel better than you would expect. Really? Oh, is that nominated? Was that not? No, no, this was like 2011, right?

I would say it's a movie. It's actually not bad. I mean, it's long, but it's actually for Rockham Sockham Robots the movie starring Hugh Jackman, it's not bad at all.

Interesting. Isn't that based on a Twilight Zone? I have no idea. I am glad that... I thought it was a Mr. Mathis in the story there. I am glad that Hanks isn't nominated. I don't think that's...

I'm so happy. Yeah. He's just doing Tom Hanks. He's just doing Tom Hanks. I didn't see the post. I did. That's the one of the best picture I haven't seen yet.

And I'm just glad. Tom Hanks, but no reason, really. Because I love when Denzel shows up in movies. I feel like Tom Hanks does not. You know what I mean? Like, Tom Hanks doesn't really turn it on anymore. He's, well, the bigger issue is he's playing the same character that Jason Robards played in all the President's Men.

And that is like the best character ever. Yeah. Like, why do this? And you have like all these other scenes with him. So you're like, oh, cool. And it's just not. I mean, Meryl Streep's very good in that movie, which he's just doing Meryl Streep.

You know, it's, yeah, he's just, Bob Odenkirk, I would have preferred Bob Odenkirk beyond the best supporting actor above Ouddy Harrelson. Yeah, I thought he was, I thought he was my favorite part. Bob Odenkirk is great in that movie, and he's got a much smaller role, but the guy playing Daniel Ellsberg. Yeah, he's good. Matthew Reese from the Americans, another great supporting role in that movie. Definitely true. So lead actor, who would you like to win and who will win?

Oldman's winning. Oldman is winning. I like his career. I didn't care for this movie that movie. much, and I wish he wasn't winning this. This is a little Miss. This is a little Miss Sunshine situation. It's the Scorsese thing, too. Yeah. I mean, even though.

It's the same Rockwell thing, too, which we're talking about. I am so glad that, you know, Gary Oldman will have won an Oscar at the end of the day. By the way, I'm firmly team DDL. Phantom Thread was my favorite movie of the year. And it's kind of a shame because everyone's like, oh, it's so boring if Daniel Day Lewis wins, but like, it's such a

different performance from him. It's not you know what I mean? His big performance are, you know, the, the Scorsese and the Scorsese movie Yeah, he's not Bill the Butcher here He's not screaming about milkshakes There's nothing about this

I love Phantom Thought It was my second favorite movie The year There's nothing about that movie That you could make a fucking meme out of As far as like Daniel Day We're trying, I don't know Those eggs are making it

Making a big splash Nah, that's stupid Give up You know what the internet, give up Stop, move on to the next thing What's your favorite movie to you? Get out. Oh yeah, get out's very good

I think fandom thread Lost City is a Z great movie And I'm glad the colloquium got nominated He's had an awesome year obviously Between this and Black Panther Yeah, I guess that's like a year and a half now Yeah, I mean I'd like

I'd like him to win I would like He holds that movie together I mean not that movie needs to be held together But anyone else in that role It's not as good of a movie Yeah, that's true That's absolutely true

That movie is not nominated for Best Picture Even though it's great Without his name in it I just don't see it I just I think he's like Get Out It would be great if Get Out one best picture I would love that.

I don't think it's happening. I don't think it's happening. I guess there's also like the potential though. We're saying it's going to go to Gary Oldman. A potential total like backfire of that whole thing could be Timothy. Yeah, he could be the next guy. There's so much fucking hype about it. But like yeah, I could see it also being a thing though like it's Gary fucking Oldman.

This kid's going to be in other movies. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, I think if I think it's Oldman for sure. But if it is going to go to somebody else, I think it will go to Daniel Day Lewis. All right. Achievement in directing. Oh, you know, quick thing about the kid's going to be in other movies? I think I don't remember who won. I think it was Michael Cain the year that...

Oh, that's right. It was the year Michael Cain won the year Haley Joel Osmond and I want to say Michael Clark's not good. We're both nominated for Best Supporting. And I believe Michael Cain's like, well, your careers will go on and on. I can see you up on this stage every other weekend. And it's just like, dead nap and Mike. Yeah, for a couple of different reasons.

couple of different reasons. Death and being Haley Joel Osmond. He was just on an episode of the X-Files this season. He's having fun. I'm so in on the Osmond Ascent's assants.

Yeah, like Haley Joel Osmet like fat comedic actor, I am fucking loving him on Silicon Valley is amazing. He's good on this X-Files episode. Totally all about it. But yeah, Michael Kane, he knew what he was doing.

One of these men will be dead soon. The other one was going to grow up to be a fat guy. Who would have guessed I would outlive Michael Clark done? Right? I mean, wow. Sometimes I wake up laughing.

Man, R-I-P-D. All right. Achievement Indirecting. Chris Nolan, Dunkirk, Jordan Peel, get out. Greta Gerwig, Lady Bird, PTA. That's Paul Thomas Anderson, Phantom Thread, and Guillermo del Toro, the shape of wards.

This is a category I am okay with everybody. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird. That I've ever been like, wow, I don't, anyone who wins this, I'm walking home happy. Yeah, I think my two I'm rooting for,

Jordan Peel and Greta Gerwig. I feel the same exact way. Yeah, but it is weird. because it's all totally fine. I think then third would be Guillermo del Toro, just because he is the sweetest man in the world. I mean, I think that Guillermo is probably going to win. You think so?

He's either winning this or Shape of Water is winning. Doesn't Shape have the most nominations? Shape has the most nominations, so more than likely it's winning. But like, I would have, I would like this to be a split. Like, I would like Shape of Water to win Best Picture. And then Gerwig. And either Gerwig or Peel. I'm way in the Gerwig.

Tea happens. get out, it's going to get best screenplay. Yes. That's probably likely. Because they're going to shut it out of best picture and that's going to go to shape of water. It was funny because I saw someone on Twitter saying that, and it's actually

this dude Mark Harris who's written for a bunch of different publications, he does an Oscar thing at the Burns every year and he's like, someone else threw this mantle on him of Oscarologist. We just make up words for shit when we don't want to say an expert about something.

Oh, is he the guy that could tell you when the Oscars get cancer? and he was saying actually that he thinks that Get Out would be shut out of everything else and then go on to win Best Picture was his prediction about it which I thought was pretty cool I'm okay with that

it's an original screenplay right? Yeah it's original I think but yeah it's three billboards I think is gonna give it some shit if I had to if you had to rank the things that Get Out should win

in terms of like you know is it the best picture is it the best direction is it the best screenplay or is the best actor like what do you think goes first I think best director yeah is big

I think Jordan Peele winning it would be huge yeah yeah I think and I think that true I think that it's so much of that movie is and I mean like more so than even the screenplay which is really incisive and sharp

and obviously has so much to do with that movie yeah I think the direction is probably why that movie is what it is yeah I mean because it's just like it's so precisely put together. Everything about that movie is perfectly constructed. Yes.

I think. So, yeah. And that's a credit to him. Yes. Being so knowledgeable about everything that he's, you know, in the world that he's playing. But I would... Since we were talking about, should we change gears to screenplay? Yeah, totally. So let's do... But I want... I want Yilmore to win, and I think he will.

Yeah, I think he'll probably win. See, it's the weird thing where... It's like my best friend made a good movie. Oh, it's so nice. Like, it's... I've gone to all of his movies, I think they're all fantastic, except for Pacific Rim, which you can kind of keep. Really? Yeah. I'll never watch that movie again. I saw it twice. I enjoyed it. I saw it in the theater

and then I saw it on HBO. I've been meaning to rewatch. Crimson Peak is an awesome rewatch. That's a movie that's just so rich. And this is, and it was like, oh, cool. And when I saw Shaped Water, I was like, yes, this is going to be the movie that is rightfully the movie that, like, he's known for. By the way, I know he's not involved, but I'm kind of dumbly excited for, like, Pacific Rim 2. I know it's probably not going to be good. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

And then also, like, it's dumb robots and I could, you know, sneak something into the theater. Some water. Or have some shape of water. I will sneak into that theater. There you go. All right. So original screenplay, we've got the Big Sick, Get Out, Lady Bird, Three Billboard, Shape of Water. I think Three Billboard's going to win it.

That's so fucking frustrating. I hate to say that, but, like, I really do think it's going to do it. I would love to see Big Sick. I mean, like, it's such a great story. And also, like, the screenplay is really good. It is. fantastic. You know what I mean? Like everyone everyone's hearts will be warm when they get

on stage. It's also kind of crazy that this was really its only nomination. Yeah, right. It didn't get anything else. She should have been nominated for best actress. Or I don't know, that's kind of, it's a tough field. Who? What's her face? Zoe Cassan. Zoe Kazan, who's in a coma for the majority of the movie? Oh, I guess by supporting.

No, Holly Hunter, probably. Holly Hunter's great. That's a great supporting. Ray Romano. I know I make fun of him a lot on this show. I think he's great in that movie. I do love Ray Romano in that. I do love Ray Romano in that movie. Kumil is also great. Come on,

Quill's great. I think he's fine. As an actor. But, yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking three billboards, I'd love it to be the big sick, or get out, honestly. Yeah.

Or Lady Bird, too. Like, it's great to see. Lady Bird is a great movie. Yeah. You never see the coming of age from the female perspective. Which is also another reason why I love call me by your name,

because you never get, like, oh, a sexual awakening. movie from a gay perspective. Or that's just Frank about sexuality at that age. That's something that just doesn't happen. I will say also about about Lady Bird, especially in the screenplay

area, I think the period stuff plays so well in that movie and it's a period. I mean, especially like me being, us being the right age for that. Oh yeah. It's like, oh wow, I kind of remember that just kind of coming home over to school and like kind of sort of watch them the war in Iraq. What's going on today? Let's see what's up

with the war in Iraq. And you kind of move on. and that that being there as it is is really interesting and also like the financial stuff of it. The fact that she uses Real Big Fish's Snoop Dog Baby in this movie twice I was like bowled over.

Yeah and like Soundtrack award. And also having the balls to do Dave Matthews band Crash like is it such a lame song but at the time that shit was popping you know what I mean? It very much fits the period

for sure. Can we quick shout out we don't have to do the whole category but cinematography Roger Deakin's baby he's got to what the fuck do it doing it should just be Blade Runner 2049 nominated five times

dark dark horse Dunkirk yeah great camera work in that but yes I am team I love the way they frame Mark Rallan into this face yeah we're going to Duncuck

the shit in Dunkirk I love the most in terms of cinematography is just like the airplane stuff oh yeah Tom Hardy's vision in those planes yeah it's very like Howard Hawks.

I love the freezing... Howard Hughes, rather. The freezing beach is so... They both like planes. You get cold when you watch that beach with all like the weird foam on the beach. It's like so surreal. And the surreality of the

of those sequences are really well made. I also love that you don't really see the Germans that much. Yes. Oh yeah. So it's like a horror movie. It is. It's fucking great. I love Dunkirk. I love Dunkirk too and I think I would be totally cool with Nolan winning for Dunkirk. I mean like it would be it's it's, I

think it's the the award that the internet would have a lot of fun with if he won but i think that would be undeserved because i think it's actually a really well-made movie especially from a directorial i'd be fine with best picture even wait but so who was the who was the dp. that was hoit van hoitima that's right yeah yeah yeah yeah not on this list of um let the right one in and ticker two or soldier spy and lots of actually theater uh production design that he does i mean the thing about deacons at 2049 that like that movie that movie is just like a beautifully warm sci-fi blanket I want to roll myself up in and like that world

that they create like he managed to make what I think is a logical extension of that Blade Runner look but it's not just we're not doing like we're not just playing the hits there's so much no no no it should win visual effects yeah also yeah so adapted screenplay call me by your name

the disaster artist Logan Molly's game and mudbound the disaster artist you can just keep that funny or die sketch I would love Logan to win. Not just because the idea that a Wolverine movie would win best picture the world with it. Win an Academy Award for a movie about

Wolverine. Yeah. And it's not like you know for CGI effects or whatever. Although Snub of the Century Man, Patrick Stewart, no supporting nomination. What are we doing? Logan is great but I think I'm rooting for call me by your name. Can I tell you my stupid Logan story really quick? Yes. I got that Blu-ray for Christmas that you know

somebody gave it to me. Oh thank you so much. I was so excited to re-watch it. And I put it on and I watched the whole damn movie and I'm like, oh, Logan's so great and I realized I watched the DVD because it was a combo pack and I didn't know which was which. Yeah, you got to watch it with those combos, man.

You hold a boner. Yeah, I mean, I think it will be called me by your name. I want it to be Logan. I would say that's probably true of me too. I mean, Molly's game, I cannot say how much I hate that movie more. Is that right? Now that's Aaron Sorkin. That's Aaron Sorkin.

That's Aaron Sorkin, not only writing, which is bad enough, but, like, it's him directing, so nobody's there to say, hey, cut the shit. Yeah. Like, and you really do need that. David Fincher need to be able to say, like, look at his social network script, be like, cut the shit here. That's what the shit here. That's why Danny Boyle's job movie wasn't so good because he didn't say cut the shit so much. He didn't say it. He's too nice.

He's too much of a nice scotsman there. He's like, I want to quickly mention costume design. I think phantom thread should get it. Oh, for sure. Oh, it has to. That would be criminal, if not. It's a movie about costumes. Conversely, if Beauty and the Beast wins anything, I'm leaving.

I'm leaving America. I'm leaving her house. Yeah, I will leave Steve's house too. I don't know. Did you see the movie? No, I have no. I'm just, I'm completely out on we're remaking the live act or live action versions of, yeah, I totally understand.

I completely out on it. Live actions that are mostly CGI. Yes, exactly. Especially with this Lion King movie. It's a cartoon. What are we doing? The fucking are you doing. What the fuck are you talking about?

It's just like, it's a cartoon movie, but you're like filming real plants. And you're going to make it more serious. And you're going to take out the Jeremy Iron song. Go fuck yourself. Is that right? Oh, yeah. You're prepared is out. No.

Yeah. Well, then I'm out. They're keeping all the other ones. That's the only one out. Oh, so be prepared is out, but Hakuna Matata made it through. Oh, yeah. Whatever. I think the idea is like, oh, the Nazi, whatever.

You could always just play down the Nazi stuff. It's not a Nazi song. Why play down the Nazis? We're being invaded by them from the inside. fucking out right now. It's a good point. Come on. Winston Churchill in the house, everyone. Well, no, then you get Bada, blah, blah, but chicken.

Really quickly, this may be a me and Chris Cabin only before we get to Best Picture. It definitely is. Documentary feature, Abacus small enough to jail, faces places, Icarus, Last Man in Aleppo, and Strong Island. What are you thinking and what do you want? You know, I would say more than likely

it's probably going to Icarus. I don't know for sure. I would like it to go to either Faces, places, or Strong Island. Yeah, I would say, I think it's going to face his places, and I want it to. It would be awesome to see. It would be great for her to be up there. Get an Oscar again. That was great.

So we'll see. All right. The big deal, the big show, best picture, three billboards, shape of water, the post, Phantom Thread, Lady Bird, get out, Dunkirk, Darkest Hour, call me by your name. Can I say the movie that I would like to be on this list? It's not. And it could be in a lot of other categories, well, good time. time i think could be here it could be best actor it could be best uh original screenplay it could be

it certainly could be cinematography absolutely my god that's my favorite movie the year patinson should have got something i think blade runner or last jedi could be up there they usually have like that bigger like a yeah i would be the summer movie they sometimes throw the throw in there um but i guess that's done kirk because it came out in the summer yeah that's true the last Jedi is up for SJW award oh interesting oh wow also original score I think W. Star Justice Wars.

Speaking of score, I think it's John Williams best work in a long time. Oh yeah, that score is fantastic. That's a really, really, really good score. Although I'll tell you, man, Johnny Greenwood's score for Phantom Thread. That's one of the more complex, like really great scores I've heard in a while. Since we're talking about music, what do you guys think of original song

real quick? I think the Okunumatatat is not a nominee. No. Sufion Stevens, I think, has to. I would like that, yeah. I would think that's a great song. I think I'm actually going to have to eat my hat if that happens, because I feel like a long time ago I was struggling, like, if Sufant Stevens ever wins an Academy Award, I'll eat my hat.

Not for any real reason. It's just so weird that I've been listening to Sylvia and Stephen for so long, and now he's nominated for an Oscar. It's like, what? Also, though, a song from Coco is, and it's always easy to throw shit. Let me just say, like, they also nominated South Park the movie for songs. That's also a really good point.

Yeah, although I eat my fucking feet now. I wouldn't surprise, also, wouldn't be surprised if they threw it to Mary J. Blige. Yeah, I would say that's probably my second thing. So, all right, so best picture, what do we want? What do we think? I want, oh, good call. Shape of Water.

Shipwater is definitely winning. Is that what you, now, okay, so that's what you think we'll win. What do you want to win? I know, I want you. You're double, double. Yeah, double-doubling on it. I want. I mean, it's this, again, this is a rare time where usually there's only one movie I really like.

I agree. There's so many good ones. This one, there's a couple. And, like, I would say it would come down to Phantom Thread or Get Out would be my picks. I'd be okay with Lady Bird, too. I kind of agree. I mean, looking at this, I feel like I have to just say what I don't want. I don't want darkest hour. I don't want the post. And I don't want three billboards. You know, other than that, it's all great. Steven Spielberg, you're not allowed to set a Vietnam sequence. to a fucking Creedon's song anymore.

Guess what? Just guess what? Didn't you live through the 70s? Like, don't you have any other fucking frame of reference other than the movies you've watched about the 70s? Like, you were there! He was making jaws, man. He was busy. He was out to sea making jaws. I will say, I want Phantom Thread.

I think it will be Shape of Water. And that's fine. I like Shape of Water. I also, like, get out, Lady Bird, Dunkirk. It's actually been a pretty good year. I think I can smell a big year for Fox Searchlight around the corner here and that's three billboards and shape of water is both of theirs

you know whereas last year it was a big year for A24 last year A24 got the best picture so I don't know if it would go back to them with Lady Bird but I want get out to win it was my favorite film of last year it is the best movie made last year I think by a large stretch

but I could also see that not happening. See A24 should have gone again this year with fucking good time yes you're right you're actually right time was my favorite movie the last year. I think the best movie of last year. Second one is the shape of water. The lady in the water. Whoops.

Yeah, no, that didn't get nominated. No, I did. Yeah, and also the square should be the best foreign language film. Hands down. You know what? I was hoping a fantastic woman would get it. I really like that movie. Yeah, and he's a great director too, so that would be rad to see. But

yeah, I don't know. Boy, did I love the square. I know you and I differ on that. I'm kind of mixed. I like also the Russian movie. Lovelace is actually very good. That dude just makes movies that are impossibly sad at all time. So I'm taking my time to get to that. So those are our thoughts on the Academy Awards.

Any wrap-up? Thoughts, comments, question, concerns? For most unnecessary wigs, the post. Everyone's got a wig in that movie. Like, you know what? Tracy lets, David Cross. Tom Hanks, obviously. But that's more of a peace situation.

So it's a little different. David Cross didn't mean. need to have hair. Bob Odenkirk, I think, is... That's accurate. Bob Odenkirk was dyed hair. I mean, like, that's the thing is, like, so much, like, nobody cares. You know what? Wigs take me right out of a movie on this.

Oh, but you know what? Also, David Cross's fat suit. Oh, wait, that's not. Oh, wow. Wow. That's amazing. Holy shit. Parting shots.

Any other parting shots that it cares. Well, I'm certainly not going to make fun of anybody's weight. Good Lord. I feel comfortable in my glass house. Listen, I will, speaking of weight, I will say Gary Oldman stealing what could have been a great role for a fat actor. Yes, absolutely. It's a cultural appropriation. You're right, the dude from Mike and Molly would have done a better job.

Gerard Def Ardu. No fucking way. Get the King Fuppa in here. You think Gerard DeFardu in the Chris Christie story. Oh, that I wouldn't say. Do you think, I love a Bruce Springsteen. Joe Wright was watching. back to back. You watched Norbert

and then he watched The Dark Night. He was like, I got an idea for a fucking movie. I think that's exactly what happened. Oh, thank you. We're listening to our very special Oscar edition and tune in to the Oscars on this coming Sunday and where all will be revealed, I guess. We'll see how right and wrong we were.

Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin. Stephen Sadek. Alex Sisko. Chris Gavin. Take it easy. That was a headgum podcast.