We Hate Movies - S9 Ep1: WHM On-Screen: The Game of Thrones Series Finale

Episode Date: May 24, 2019

On this special WHM On-Screen, the gang is chatting about the divisive series finale of HBO's Game of Thrones! There's a Lightning Lord? What was that Night King dude's problem? And way to burn that furniture, Drogon! PLUS: Eric gives his pick for next fantasy series to be adapted for television! Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thank you. Welcome to WHM on screen, everybody. I'm Andrew Jupin alongside The Whole Gang. Say hi, Whole Gang. Oh, hi there. Hi. Hi, whole gang. We're like a gang of White Walkers, huh?

Oh, my God. That's right. We're talking about the Game of Thrones final season. Yeah, man. Overall show opinions. And I'll keep this brief. I know the least of what's going on here

I did watch the finale I wanted to ask what other episodes you saw this year did you see the bell the bells excuse me that's the one

where she fucking burns down Kings Landing no I did not see that the bell ends I saw I saw the big battle where the night

where the night king gets fucking ganged and just spoiler alert obviously oh yeah I mean like you know come away I mean come up

It's a bit a week, but yeah. So, and then, Steve, you watched the entire show. I watch you every episode at least once or just really just once. Same thing for you. Yeah, watch them all. And I watched them all and I read the books. So this is the dynamic. It's a dynamic.

Don't be, you know, because they're not going to, so don't you get frustrated if I have questions. Because I might have some questions. Here's a question. I've noticed from the internet, a lot of people hated this line. season it turns out. How are you guys all feeling about what went down? They are correct. I'm like, yeah, I think it's kind of, I think it was kind of a disaster. Like, you know what I mean? But like, it doesn't like totally throw the whole show in the garbage. It just really affects that final score for me. Like, yeah, like, it's not a Dexter

thing where like you genuinely like, holy fuck, why did you do that? Yes. I can almost understand where the decisions came from slightly. Well, the bulleted list of what happens is good. How they do all of it is bad. So it's just an execution situation. Yeah, I would agree that like how they did it was bad because you needed to grow this stuff,

take some time with it. Because like the turn for Danny being a mad queen was kind of just out of nowhere. I think it was 17 seconds long. Yes, yes. That turn? And now I know a lot of people are on the internet are like, well, if you look back,

she did execute those slavers, which is the same thing as Burning Kingslanding. Now, it's not necessarily. I think it needed more to gestate. And in the earlier seasons, you got that because they were really following the books. And it was slow, the slow burn. Well, it also seemed like this was a John Wick thing. It was because one person specifically that she was close to got killed. And that Melisandre, yeah.

You just called Melisandra. Melisandra, it was the red woman. Oh, right. Misandre. Masanday was what Chris just called the dog. I meant the dead wife. Yes. Wife?

She dies a cancer. Oh, I guess the dragon is the dog. John Wicks wife. Cancer doesn't exist in the gaming world. Not that I know. They get gray scale. They turned into like gray goblins for a little bit. I think a wizard could fucking fix it. I think that like, yeah, she goes from like zero to Hitler in like four seconds. And it's not, it's not.

it's not great because like and I do think like again like I just need like some conversations with her she has like 30 lines of dialogue in the last five episodes hey Danny you you thinking about killing yeah I think they should have reversed the order of their big battles I think that they should have done the night king last and then taking king's landing and then they were like the conflict would arise of well we need her even though she's gone crazy and she and I think the gone crazy stuff would have worked if they gave it time to develop some of those last shots with like her ruling over the ashes and all the unsullied pounding their spears were cool and i could have gone for like her like this evil alexander the great imperial queen thing of conquering the known world i would have been fine with it if it was done you know i also some time i also i also did the the the whole like dothraki unsullied bit is a bit racially weird when they're like they're running in down the streets cutting up like white children it just felt a little bit off i thought that was great the killing kids part yeah like yeah it's sort of like oh my god look what she unleashed on this

society uh-huh these people right you know maybe the thing is if you have a television series that's based on a popular series of books gotcha uh you shouldn't continue that show past where the dude has written. Yeah. It seems like everyone's general complaint is like when we left the book world

it just started flush in toilets. Yes. And what's crazy about that is Stanis Barathean, the one true king of Westeros, we all know.

He's still alive in the books. I'm a Stanishead. I've always been a Stanishead. Which one's Stanis Barathe? He was what's his face that acted out. He was the one who burned

his daughter to get the happy magic. Yes. The Lord of the Light. Yeah. Yeah. He's... Stephen Delane.

Yes. Oh. okay he's the right we can use actors names or things they've also been in no he's the rightful air because you know uh robert berathian dies is his older brother stanis and then the younger brother was renley who stanis kills and then brianne of all people kill stanis in the show again don't worry folks stanis is alive and well in the books john is actually dead in the books wow he has not come back from the dead it's just speculation but i guess georgia r martin told these guys what is supposed to happen.

Yeah, I'm going to resurrect him. Excuse me, I'm on a conference call eating a sandwich. Yeah, he's coming back. You got me for an hour. I'm going to be in the back of Delvecchio's. I'm going to be filling out my giant's fantasy football card. And I will be telling you the end of Game of Thrones. Does anybody know what the fucking problem is, by the way?

He's a writer. He's a fickle dude. The most anticipated book Maybe to ever be released I'd get the nerves too There was the new Bible Sure This is better than the Bible

But these are big books There are a lot of pages But they're What was the last one? When did it come out? 2011 Okay That's more recently than I thought

And in George RR's credit The guy's in his mid-60s He's lived his whole life On like kind of fantasy writer Wages and less than He's lived his whole life wearing that hat, I think. But now he had his years in Hollywood. He wrote for Beauty and the Beast, the television show.

Great show. Now he's making it rain. Now he's got this huge influx of money. He's probably going on vacation. He's got all sorts of sandwiches to sample. I know you're making fun of him because he's a great big fat guy, but you should read the books because the way he describes food is outrageously awesome. I'm sure it's cool, man.

The feasts alone. Well, when you've eaten that many meatballs, you really get excited. I can write your meatballs story. I'll tell you that much. I get, oh, yeah, I'll write, Jimmy. A man in his meatball, a saga, a song of pork and beef. Sir, meatball of gravy, babe.

You know what? Here's a thing that I thought was a real fucking, oh, my God, you're right over there? Yeah, it's a little sick. Gray scale. Oh, no. It's happening. Oh, no. Yeah, you fucking sailed a little too close to Volantis on that one.

You know what I, who I think is like the biggest baller character of that series finale? drogan. Oh, yeah. Because that fucker melted that chair that everyone was fighting over. What a fucking kick of the teeth. It's a little on the nose.

I kind of love that part. I mean, I felt like that was my moment of like, oh, that poor dog. You know what I mean? He was bumming, dude. He was like bumming hard.

He was pushing her with the nose and stuff. Also, like the John, the Danny murder scene just, it happened so quick. The way that the show did character deaths up to before this season, was great. That was the thing. It's like, how is this? It's not like the, it's not when is this fucker going to die. It's like, oh man, what are they going to do to him? Right. And that's not

if, but how. Exactly. And like for years, you're like, oh, Circe's going to get it. And like, you're not even sure it happens. You're like, oh, okay. It's like a tasteful cutaway with Danny. It's just like a little bit, oh, I've been pricked. I die. You know what you know? And I mean, I know the emotional residents of John doing it means something a little different, but even though I never bought their chemistry at all, but that's just me. For a minute there, when Tyrion was taking the bricks off the body, I was like, if the fist comes up, I'm going to lose my fucking mind. I thought we were going to have, like, Jamie Landis.

When I saw that fucking iron hand, I was like, don't you move. You stay dead, buddy. You are rubble meat. You stay rubble meat. Sersie had nothing to do this season, which is a problem. She could have done so many smarter things. she could have moved her armies to the north and waited to like fight whoever

survived that battle or whatever be a little closer or like the brawn thing was the stupidest thing I've seen this season Braun coming back yeah like her trying to hire Braun to then assassinate his Hurrian and Jamie I guess his best friends which is totally not gonna do and then and then that scene he comes in

and he's got the crossbow on both of them was like here's the deep here's the rub guys I'm gonna take and you know the director Like, faster, faster, faster, faster. Okay, and then when this is done, I'm going to get two castles and a horse and a donkey. And like, all right, bye, Bronsie in the last episode. It is, it is dumb that they didn't just leave that character alone. Let him get a house and he's done and he's whatever.

We can move on and focus on characters that are actually the core characters. Exactly. So that dude was, like, out of the game for a while? Is that the idea? I think he's dead in the books, right? I don't recall. It's been a while since I read it, but he gets granted land in titles and he marries someone. And he's kind of like fought for what he wanted.

And now he just sits back, right? But they got to keep him wrong because he's a cool guy. People liked him. But like give him something. I would rather him not be in in those episodes. Like, you know, maybe like the last scene, the last episode, maybe he does come back. And it's part of the council. That'd be like, oh, cool, Braun's back.

You know what I mean? That would be something. But like, make him master whispers or something. Give him something to the underworld or whatever. But more substantial. he's kind of just there for jokes, is like, have Tyrion go to his house and be like, look, I trust

you, you're an evil bastard, but I trust you more than anybody else. I'm getting the band back together. Come be my master coin. Yeah, exactly, something. I could have sworn I saw that dude get killed in the big battle. There must have been some actor that kind of looked like him. Oh, right. Oh, I think

you're thinking of the dude with the flaming sword. They're Belderick Dardarian there. Barrick Dondarian. Yeah. The lightning lord, obviously. Ooh, the Lightning Lord Raiden. And that's the fucking Night King, man. Thumbs down. Or you might be thinking of also Dolores Ed of the Knight's Watch.

I run with the Lord of the Light. He's called the Lightning Lord. I think he's like one of his ancestors was struck by lightning while carrying a message to some other Lord. Oh, shit. Yeah. Pretty cool story, man. Night King, anybody, anybody care about that guy? What was that dude's problem?

I guess we'll never know. question. Like, was he, were they worried that he was going to try to take the Iron throne? Well, I mean, he was just going to destroy the world. Take over the planet, basically. Zombie people. So, because he got stabbed by Aria. Yes. All those zombies are dead. Using Valerian steel, which is what kills them yet. Uh-huh. And I guess... A silver bullet for a werewolf. And it's like the vampire thing. You kill the head one and for some reason everything else dies. They all die. Yeah. So that whole zombie threat is done.

Yep. It's just dropped because it's aggravating. too because we actually saw flashbacks in the show of the children of the forest who are such a... We don't care about them anymore. Nope. Children of the forest different than wildlings? Yeah, they are like...

You ever see the Max von Sido episodes? No. He's like the... They're running with him. They're like little elves and... They are the original... He's brand before brand becomes the third-eye raven guy. He's the original third-I-Ravened. That I knew. Yeah, okay. Brendan Rivers. He started

Westeros's Weezer. Oh man, if you didn't say it, it was like right at the edge of my mouth. No, he started the killers. He was a Targaryen bastard who lived like... So many fucking bastards. God, they really care about wedlock.

They really care about wedlock. I think he was, I think when he was played by Max von Saito, I think he was like 140 years old or so. And he was the... Close to Max von Sondiator. Also, no, my God. How am I going to play someone 10 years older than me?

I better, how would I walk in 10 years? I better figure that out. I mean, I've seen the turn of the 20th century. So, Von Seidot had a bunch of episodes, but, oh, Ian McShane was only in a single episode? Yes, okay, right, and his character was botched as well, because they kind of combined Ian McShane's characters combined of two different characters, including Sept and Maribald, which would have been a great story if they actually pursued it. The thing is, there was so much in the books that they could have kept doing. Yeah. But they decided, no, no, no, let's get to the big stuff, the big stuff.

Do you buy that? Well, here's, I think, so I don't think that the episode structure this season worked. I think the 80-minute episodes didn't add anything actually just kind of reduced. They were jumping for set pieces, which didn't work. Exactly. And it's just sort of like, I didn't need the big fight to be that long. Like usually, like, you know, the Battle of Blackwater was awesome within its time constraints. The Battle of the Bastards, also within its time constraints.

I didn't need everything to be overstuffed. those like episode long battles though? Yeah, but I mean like still just like the HBO 5ish maybe At the beginning like the fucking like finally this action figure gets to talk with this action figure structure

Like we haven't had these two fucking characters who have no reason to talk Talk yet. I would say here's a move Which can't have it because it already happened But if they if they just did like three three hour movies and like Spread it out throughout a year like In January you get a three hour thing

in June you get a three hour thing and then in December you get a three hour thing right at least like the breaks would make it feel like yeah you know you would like resonate on stuff like the Jamie Brian thing happening in one episode is just like what are we talking about like it's just why even do it also he should

have died in the north yeah because follow the redemption story he's been on instead of going back to Searcy it's stupid and he knew like when he leaves Kings Landing he knows she's going to die and then someone he does all this shit in at Winterfell and then someone's like You know she's going to die.

And he's like, holy shit. You don't even like, you knew that. That's what you knew. That's what, you don't even like all that knowledge was there. I didn't buy it. I mean, like, it just, it's a lot of it was really easy and like, again, like the bullet points were mostly fine. The last episode I found like mostly was like somebody reading a Wikipedia page entry of what happens in the last episode of Game of Thrones. Right.

I mean, I, I kind of, I, you know who really jumped out for me is, is a urine gray joy. Oh, yeah, yeah. awful. I thought, I mean, but he, a Liggs felt like a character that felt fully formed in these. You liked You're on Greyjoy in this? You're in Greyjoy, yes. Whatever. I like it. I like get peed on him. You're on Greyjoy.

Yeah, I got that name because Centries Beck, one of my family members, got pissed on by a raven while delivering a message. The only raven that ate asparagus, as you can smell. He was great in the books, I'll say that much. This is just ridiculous. The fucking giant arrows, the ballista, that then just, he's able to, it just peg this dragon to death.

Like three or four shots, no problem. Then the next one, it's like, oh, blimey. I didn't do the, I didn't load the fucking feathers right. I just like him because he's like the epitome of like your piece of shit high school friend that you don't talk to anymore. Sure. That last scene where he's like, but I got you. I mean, like, but that's the thing too is like, I. I mean, I totally agree with Eric, that the whole, the arrow shit, like, is it something?

Is it not something? What is it? But the Uren Grayjoy stuff was like, he was that character where it's like, oh, he's got some agency, but he's got nothing to do. And he's like, he magically shows up to fight Jamie Lannister. And it's like, yep, here I am. It's like, are you? Are you here? She teleports a lot in this season.

Yes, yes. I got these camel cash coupons with me. Now, the thing that didn't work the most for me out of this entire season, people who follow me on Twitter would not be surprised to hear this. It is the Golden Company. Speaking of urine, urine's gold. So quick for me. Okay. What?

Their soldiers bathed in piss. They're always waiting. Okay, so the Golden Company in the show was hired by Circe, and they are the knights in gold armor outside of the walls of King's Landing, who are then instantly destroyed by the dragon in the episode you did

not watch. Okay, she lights those dudes up. Right, yes. But now, In the books and everything, the Golden Company is this kind of famous mercenary army that are Westerosi exiles. So a lot of people in that company would have been potentially kicked out of Westeros because of Roberts Rebellion and him taking the throne. Plus, there's a lot of Targaryen bastards, including the Blackfires. And they kind of just bred into the company. So, like, you've got descendants of exiles. and Targaryen blood is in the Golden Company.

And even though the Golden Company has a history of portraying the Targaryen crown to try to install a blackfire bastard on the throne instead, I just feel like it would have made more sense for them to side with, you know, Danny. Yeah. Or even maybe work both sides like, be a Trojan horse for Danny.

Or do something. Like, I mean, I don't know any of that stuff. That's very interesting. And I want to, I do kind of want to read the books. Yeah, it's like 10,000 Jura Mormons are standing there. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. And we get fucking nothing about them.

We treat them like the second sons. They're just barely, like, that one guy has like two lines of dialogue that he goes, and he gets like burned up. And it's like, then don't have those, don't have that threat at all. That guy was Harry Strickland, all nicknamed Sir Homeless Harry. And it's just like at least. Captain Hansom, are you talking about? Yes, yes, because they're exiles at least give me a fucking scene where Sircy gets dialogue,

because she had none in this season. Yes, exactly. Where she grants them lands and titles. Like, give it some reason. Funny enough, in the books, the Golden Company land in Storms End. They take the Barathean seats away from them in the name of Agon Tagarian,

which we found out is John Snow, but they've got an imposter they're going to install on the throne instead of John or whoever. I was reading about that guy. Sounds pretty cool. Yeah, it's fun. But imagine if we just did this show, show as is.

Yeah. And then suddenly Danny and John and everyone find out that there's another Targaryen army that's already invading Westeros before them. It would be fucking crazy. It's something. It would be something. It would be like some, I don't know, some state. I mean, the stakes are really, really high, but also like I just never, once the Danny thing

happened, this show, all the air was out of the balloon. Like, so that's the thing of the season. And like, again, you don't give her any time to say what she's doing or, I don't need to explain to the last episode we're fucking hunkering into her going crazy. Yes, we need a lot more. And I know she was like, like, why would she even help the North against the

White Walkers if she was going mad? It doesn't make, like the whole, there's no strategic advantage to burning that city to the ground. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Circe's here. Why are you burning all of this up and down and up and down? Like, just go and blast her and then

you've won. You know what I mean? I'm sorry, Chris. I mean, if you had any scene where you actually see her dealing with the death of her friend there. Yeah, sure. I would maybe understand it, but like it literally happened in 50 minutes ago in your story align. Yes, exactly. What the fuck am I said?

And we don't get any, and the same thing goes for the Night King where like another 50 minutes with the Night King. I don't even need to know where he started. Just like when he had a temp job and was like trying to make rent in New York. Like, that's all I need, folks. Nothing crazy.

I would watch that. The Night King's like at an internship somewhere. Oh, my buddy's band is playing in the Bowery, but I don't have enough for the cover charge. You know, I asked that intern to fax something for me, and he gave me the cold shoulder. Oh, man.

You still use faxes? Jesus. I do like that Aria got to kill him, gave Aria something to do. And she was actually one of the better characters this season. By the way, before we close this out, I've got to mention. Yeah. The hound versus the mountain. I thought it worked.

I thought it was good. Although maybe a little too zombie-ish for the mountain. I didn't like that character design from the beginning. I didn't like that fucking orco helmet he was wearing that big, like, thing. That was silly looking. I remember that helmet. That was pretty fucking stupid. I have to say, though, the hound facing his fucking fire fear.

Yeah. Not too shabby. I liked that part. It's like a well-developed way to go out. I love Quibern being just thrown, his head just thrown into a rock instantly. That's a pretty brutal, brutal one. There's stuff there. There's some stuff.

There are moments I do like in this season. I just wish it had more time to develop. I don't. It should have been more episodes. Cutting it to seven. Like, you know what? Make them all long then. Make 10.

Make them all long. And or if you, when you're looking at that stuff and you just look at, look at what's going on and be like, okay, then we need more brand scenes. If we're going to give the crown to brand at the end of this fucking. He was gone from a whole season. He was gone for a whole season. Was that vacation?

The whole series, the whole last season, they're like, hey, be the Lord of Winterfell. I'm like, I mustn't. I don't want things anymore. I'm much above this. Like, what if you're the king? He's like, well, that would be pretty awesome, actually. But, like, can he see everything like forwards and backwards?

Yes. Yeah. And his dick doesn't work. We've got to point that out. By the way, Brand's dick, he doesn't work. Well, because he fell off that tower. He's been in a wheelchair for a while. They're like, hey, how about Brand's the king?

And Sons is like, that guy, his dick don't work. he's talking that guy over there he can't get a fucking hat on I'm just saying don't you think then maybe he like ran like he's like Dr. Strange and he's like I ran 14 million scenarios

and maybe it is best if I become the king yeah he could kill he didn't want to be Lord of Winterfell but he wanted to be fucking king of everything well everybody wants to rule the world he could kill

further rebellions in the cradle for sure but like it's just he's supposed to be above it he's supposed to be above all that shit or tell Maybe if he sits down and says that to somebody, he's like, well, there are dark things coming that only I can stop if I'm the king. Like, that's sort of something.

He's kind of a better master whispers. Yes, exactly. John's lineage was such a big part for him, his character throughout the show. And it's like, that was just like a red herring for him to get on the throne. Yes. And then like, Sonsa is like, yeah, dude. Oh, by, you're at a meeting. They're having this king meeting.

Like, who's going to be the king? Tyrion's doing a bunch of shit. Sonsz like, oh, yeah, Winterfell doesn't want to be part of this anymore. And everyone's like, all the kingdom separate. Exactly. If that's on the table, if I'm fucking Dorn and I'm like, oh, cool, I'm out too. Yeah. Well, you know, Winterfell voted leave, dude.

And they fucking did it. And you know what? Maybe the rest of the kingdom should have fucking voted leave too. So Sons is going to get a milkshake thrown at her at some point? Of course she is. I mean, it felt like the brand thing felt very much like a non-decision. Like, if they just say, what the fuck, it's better than pissing off half our audience and not, and not pissing off the other half. That's true. That's fair. We'll just say this and they'll all just be so confused.

And then for some reason, we're all just agreeing to do what a foreign army wants and have John be, go back to the, go back to jail, basically, go back to take the black. Also, like, that's a very convenient time jump after fucking, after he kills DeNaris Targaryen and Greyworm, like, puts this dude in jail. Greyworm would have cut his fucking head off. Like, Greyworm at the end of that doesn't make any gosh durn sense. He's committing war crimes all around. Well, the cut at the end of the ceremony for Brand the Broken is also that because he's like, they're like, look, he's going to serve his entire life making up for everything he's done. And he's like, that's not enough. Cut.

Yes. What was the compromise? And the compromise is John Snow doesn't die. Yeah. That's the big compromise. That little dude's got to hang. I'm sorry. Somebody's got to die.

One of them's got to die. I'm sorry. Here's a question. Greyworm would be the one to kill. He's a foreign horde. Yeah. You know, they offer, they offer, foreign horror? Hoard.

Oh. With a hard D. Well, we also, we also don't know what happened to the Darth Dothraki, which is a legitimate horde. Yeah. We're talking, hoard talk. Welcome back to Hort Dog. That's why I said racially weird earlier.

Well, they try to give the unsullied, like, lands and titles and stuff. They reject them. Then why have them have a vote in your council? Where does he go at the end? He goes to Mesaunday's where they were going to go. Oh, okay, yeah. The land she's from. But also, they're like, who are you?

First of all, I don't remember my daughter. That was a long time ago. Everyone dies. Everyone's life expectancy is 19 years. So whatever. Yeah, exactly. So I don't even, I don't have to feed your friends. You're saying you were her boyfriend? No, ew, get out of here.

By the way, how was it that Grey Worm knew that John Snow fucking did the deed? That's something that came up. Drogon fucking takes that corpse and just fucking shits and gets with all of the evidence. Did John Snow fucking own up to it? That's what I mean of Jimmy Hoff as well, a dragon took him. speaking of jersey i you know all things said i did like john's ending i like i like that he's he's going to become manse radar yeah man's radar our favorite herein hines oh thank you he's uh good to become king beyond the wall basically he's going to lead the free folk i was just glad

that mr giants bane lived to see the end of the series he was my favorite but quickly so now there's going to be the six kingdoms brawn as king yeah santa as king as king as queen of uh the north. And then now John Snow is King Beyond the Wall. So we have we have a stark ruling every facet of the continent and that's not going to sit well eventually, right? You know if I'm grayworm, I'm like, you know what? Fine, cool.

Castrate that dude though. Like that's it. Oh yeah. I got mine done. Most things end in Westrose with dick trauma. Let's go for it. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. By the way, this may be a silly question, but why did it go from seven to six kingdoms? Because Winterfell leaves. Oh, oh, that's what it was.

I see. I got you. So now we're down to six. That's what I kind of, like my biggest issue with the whole season finale specifically, or the series finale rather, is that all the storylines essentially end on sequel cliffhangers. Yeah, absolutely. It's every single one of them is a you're not going to believe this moment. I don't know what's west of Westroof.

We have the psychic child of oblivion here. Why don't you just tell me? At least tell me if they're sand snakes. Yeah, exactly. But that's a good question. Are they doing, because they're doing that Naomi Watts show, which takes place a billion years in the past or something like that. Oh, and Naomi Watts is on it.

Yes. I'm excited for that. But are they doing sequels? Are we not doing series? I think it's movies. I don't know. I think, well, at least right now, I think all the cast has said they do not want to revisit their roles. Okay.

But that might just be what they're saying right now. That's what Aaron Paul said, too. And then he's like, yo, dude, can I get back on Betta Call Saul? Oh, cool, a Jesse Pinkpin movie. be even better. Is that... Wait. Oh, yeah. That's happening. They're doing the Jesse Pinkman movie and Vince Gilligan, I believe, is directing it. Sure. But he didn't come back

to Better Call Saul, did he? No, but I think he wanted to. Like, it was literally just like... Did you guys see the trailer for Westworld with him? Oh, no, he's on Westworld? Yeah. It actually looks good now because... Reason to tune back into that show. They're off the park and it looks just like cyberpunk. It looks like Blade Runner. Oh, it's all running around. I thought

it was like, I thought it was a neuroman. I thought they were making a neuromancer series. I was like, what? I didn't hear about this. And it's him and Kid Cuddy. Oh, really? Yeah. Huh.

That's kind of interesting. I'm so removed from most HBO original programming. Like, I watch VEP. And sex taxi. Oh, of course, my beloved sex taxi. Taxi cab confession. No, they rebooted it as sex taxi. What did you guys think of the series finale, sexy?

Sex cap. Wait, taxi cab confessions. What do you think of that? The series finale? I said of too many sequels, I think. Yeah, they were getting into all kinds of cars at the end of it. When that drunk girl turns on her friends, it was very... I didn't see her going mad like that.

They really didn't take the time to develop that. The only HBO series you really have to watch is Barry. I did like when the John left the sex taxi and walked off into the woods. With his red-headed buddy there, their dog. I will say that that final season of VIP was fucking awesome. I've been here. It's good. It was fucking sour, dower, and fucking, just, yeah, I don't know. So behind on it, but I did like it when I watched it. It was totally great.

I like the books better. The Vee books. The Vee books mean the news. So final parting thoughts on Game of Thrones, eight seasons, a lot of time, a lot of devotion, a lot of mixed emotions, a real roller coaster from what I can tell. Let's like Eric go last because he's going to have. the big one. Yeah. I guess I'll start. Yeah. I mean I still think like it's hard to say like would I recommend the whole series to a friend. It's hard because the ending and it's like it's that lost thing which I didn't get into but like if if we're all building towards something and the

something's not great, it makes the whole thing kind of not as fun. But there's so much great stuff in that a lot of characters that I really loved, a lot of performances that I really loved and a lot a set pieces I really loved. It's just, it's, it, it, it, it moved it from like an, like a B down to like a C plus at best. Oh, interesting. Chris Cabin. C plus is about where I would say. Like, I liked for the entire show. For the whole show, C plus. That's kind of where I'm at. That's kind of where I'm at. Really? Um, like, I think it started off very well and I, like, the first four season specifically, I remember really, really liking. Yep. But like once again, it's when Martin kind of exits or his, his texts exit the whole thing. Yeah.

Like in season six, which got a lot of derision too, like, I prefer that like we're going on a big adventure, stupid shit to this dower. Like we've got to set up this big ending. So I was actually much more into that idea like we've got to go and the dragon saves them at the last minute from the Night King stuff. That I thought was great. But like this, I'm just like, get to it. Get to it. And then when I got to it, nothing fucking happened. You know, Chris, I felt good about my C plus grade.

until you gave it a C plus. I'm like, am I being too hard? Well, you, you are now one of the most contrarious. The most contrary TV critic. I will say from what I saw,

which was seasons one through four, then the finale of six. I don't think we did an on-screen for the finale of seven. We probably did. Isn't this the seven or this eight? Well, this is eight. This is eight.

Okay. I mean, it's just, I've said it before that like fantasy shit isn't really my bag. I stopped watching it because I realized I was just watching it to keep up and feel relevant. I feel bad for all the people that were bumming

about the end of the season. As someone who was like a lost diehard and didn't hate that final season entirely but like I get it, you know what I mean? But I would just recommend like if you didn't like this last season, don't forget all the joy that the other seasons brought to you. You still had fun with it. That's true. It doesn't

entirely negate that stuff. You can still rewatch that other shit and it's not going to be like you know oh yeah well she's training with the hound now but she just fucking kills that night king and boy is that stupid that's true out the thrones we made along the way and you're talking about a season for Battlestar galactica apologist right here oh yeah no battle star i think top to bottom that was the musical season yes oh anyway i would give this entire show a B plus because it's about the fun we had along the way And bringing back fantasy, man.

Yeah. Yeah, dude, that was a dead genre, dude. Dead. Well, Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit were massive. That doesn't count. How does that not count? Because that doesn't want it. It's a legacy title.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, because that's a title, that's a title that will always be made. It will always be remade, like they did those cartoons in the 70s that I also disliked. Rather than being expanded and sequelized. I need to read the books for the Lord of the Rings. I need to rewatch the movies. I only watched them once in the theater. I tried reading Fellowship, and it's one of those books where it's like,

now you're going to read the lyrics to his song. Fuck you. I was done. George Garland has some music in his books, too. I'm not reading lyrics. Some of those songs pretty good. Tolkien has an ear for it. I don't get a shit.

If you like the show at all, read the books because you get so much more out of it. I think it's a better, more rich experience. And also read The Black Company by Glenn Cook. It's a very good series. Is that being adapted? Did it. Supposedly, it was going to be adapted. And then Aaron Paul backed out. I don't know what the status is on it.

It was being kicked around. Also, other good fantasy novels. Right now I'm reading the Elric saga, which is really cool by Michael Morcock. And I like the King Killer Chronicles, but it gets very sexualized. It's kind of dividing the internet. It gets very sexy towards the end of that second. Sexy stuff is dividing the internet? Yeah.

Huh. Well, if you can believe it. Sex stuff as opposed to Game of Thrones, which didn't have any sex stuff in it whatsoever. Anyway, sex stuff, fantasy. Love it. There you go, gang. That is the W.HM on screen for Game of Thrones season eight.

Until next time, I'm Andrew Jupin. Steven Siddak. Chris Cabin. Eric Siz Stark. Yeah. Like a cousin of the car starks. They know. You do now. Take it easy.

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