We Hate Movies - S9: The 2019 WHM Oscars Special

Episode Date: February 22, 2019

Just in time for the 91st annual Academy Awards, the gang got together last night (via the Internet) to predict the winners, talk about the films they really want to win, the snubs, the problematic host issue, The Whoopster, who will get Farina'd, The Bet, and more! Tune into the Oscar broadcast on Sunday night and tweet along with the show using our annual tag: #WHMOscars! Unlock Exclusive Content!: http://www.patreon.com/wehatemovies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the 2019 W.HM Oscars special. I'm Andrew Jupin here with Stephen Seda, Christopher Cabin, Eric Siska. We are here to talk about, I guess, so what, like our Oscar picks, our predictions, the Oscar Hot Goss also is a major component this year? Well, I think we're really going to be talking mostly about this epidemic that is sweeping the nation, which is Oscar fever and stay indoors for the love of God

I think the problem is everyone is avoiding Oscar fever this year everyone's trying to steer clear like it is the fucking plague well yeah last minute dropout by Kendrick Lamar man was he going to do a Black Panther song he was going to do the Black Panther song with Siza and then he dropped out so we had to get up to the day did he drop out because they were going to air it during the commercial

breakers it's possible knowing them it's possible Now you come, no, no, no. We're going to give out cinematography. It's just going to be downstairs. Look, Go downstairs for the cinematography awards.

Look, queen is going to do all the songs. Okay, that's how it's going to be now. Dude, oh, and the fucking, the queen, are they performing? Oh, yeah, Adam Lambert's going to do Freddie Mercury. Oh, I, they've been touring with him for years, actually. They're opening the show with him. What do you mean they're opening the show? like the pre like the opening number is going to be queen uh well is this because they never

got a host yeah i guess so yeah i guess that's probably true i don't say like a queen montage of all the movies the billy crystal bit wow that oh so it's just like old ass brian may and he's like pretending to be and i don't know black clansman it's at live aid but then there's the iron curtain that the stars of Cold War are slipping through. See, actually, yeah, this could maybe work. That's what it should have been. They should have had us fucking right for the Oscars.

I just don't understand how they couldn't figure out the host thing. Like, yeah, you know, fucking, you know, Kevin Hart's an asshole. Sure, it was two months ago. Get anybody. Like, get Ray Romano. Like, call up Ray Romano. And like, there you go. Did you hear the, there is a.

rumor going around that it's going to be like a special host and it's going to be Whoopi Goldberg. Oh, the whoopster. That's not bad. I heard I heard a rumor that she might just come in at the last minute. She's, I mean, she's one of the fucking all time greats of the hosting world. Christian Bale in a fat suit. I know he lost the way. He's got to wear a fat suit. Have him host as Dick Cheney. There you go. I think I got it by the way. Papa John Schnatter. Oh, yeah. Everybody loves that guy. And is it just him apologizing the whole time? Yeah, it's just him in various boardroom sketches. I just don't get it, man.

Like, figure it the fuck out. You should have figured it out months ago. It's so embarrassing that they couldn't figure it out, right? Like, it's the fucking Academy Awards. You couldn't find a single entertainer on the face of the earth that wanted to do this. Get Mark Barron to do it, man. Honestly, that guy, that guy's a comedian. Oh, shit.

Okay. So, best foreign language film. Kaepernum. Yeah. Who are your guys? Hey, Lebanon. Who are your guys? All right. So, uh, yeah, Jack Nicholson's good. Oh, shit. You're that guy. Oh, shit. You're the guy. Yeah, yeah. I like that guy. Oh, fuck. You're in the departed. Shit, that movie was great. I didn't see it though. No, you know, I fucking hate John Stewart. Just so everybody knows. I fucking hate him. Why didn't he do it? I mean, I know he only made that one movie, but that's someone. and he's making another movie

I think John Stewart's like raising sheep or something now right he's got that fucking place in Jersey yeah you could have got Colbert like I literally give me a day I can give you a hundred names of reasonable people Ellen DeGeneres was great yeah well then she got in trouble because she was all like oh Kevin Hart we all support you too

Oh I forgot about that it's been so long this saga has been so long I know I cannot believe we've been talking about like who may be doing shit at the Academy Awards for this long. Yeah, get the lieutenant from the Coast Guard that tried to kill everyone.

Good Harvey Taitel. Why not? Oh, he'd be a great host. Yeah, that's what it is, Gavin. You're right. Dick out, dude. Dick out. Totally dick out,

screaming about the Mets and losing $10,000. It just gets up there with Queen and starts going, ah! We'll lock you! He goes up. He's dressed as his character

from Pulp Fiction, the wolf. He's got the message. All right, everybody, listen up. I talk fast, I move fast, I give out a wards fast. The song's going to happen, the dead people, then the awards, and then we're out of here by 915.

That's actually a genius idea. All right, so let's cover it's, we're going to talk about some categories and then maybe not do some categories and do some other. We hate movies-related things here, but let's start off, I don't know, original screenplay. How about that? That can cover a screenplay here. This is screens that are written out, and then. people vote on them for which one's the best. Yes, the best screen.

So this is, it's not based on anything. So we have the favorite first reformed green book, Roma and Vice. I mean, are we talking about what we would like to win? We think it's going to win. I guess we could. Yeah, I mean, I think maybe try to do both if you can, you know, or if they're, if they're different, maybe they're not. I would say that I would really hope that they give it to Paul Schrader.

me too i really really hope they do and if not i guess my what i probably what i they really could give that fucking thing the green book but that motherfucker subscribed to that fucking trump conspiracy theory wait what the the guy nick vallonga was like retweeted and definitely said many multiple times that he too saw people cheering in jersey city not just people mooslav muslims yeah that is insane yeah dude that and then he fucking like he deleted those tweets and he tried to send an apology tweet and then he just fucking deleted his Twitter account oh yeah that's it that's the move when a fucking baby boomer's using Twitter so did he tweet that recently or was this like uncovered oh no this is uncovered

yeah somebody did some Twitter digging yeah I think it happened before the globe so I kind of still think I mean like I don't know if they'll have time to realign it oh well of course it did because the fucking Oscar voting didn't even start until after the Globes, which was bullshit, because, like, so many people were complaining about how that would, you know, the winners of those would influence people doing the voting for the Oscars, which I think is totally true. But it started, the voting for the Oscars opened on that Monday. Oh, weird. After the Golden Globes ceremony. Yeah. I mean, like, hopefully everyone tried the course correct because, I mean, like, I guess my, uh, what I'd like, I mean, obviously

first performing I'd like to see, but since it's got shut out from all, every, category. I kind of also like a lot of Paul Schrader shit has come up that everybody's like, eh, I'd like to see the favorite. I would like to see it just because I also feel like that movie's going to get shut out from everything. That's I kind of think so too. Well, you know, I think one of the reasons. Even though I really love that movie. It's one of my favorite movies of the year for sure, the favorite. I just feel like. I think it's great, but I think in some maybe voters minds, they're like, oh, well, last year was the fucking Fox Searchlight year between three billboards getting a bunch a shit and then like fucking shape of

water winning best picture among other awards. Last year. Can you believe it dude? That was just fucking last year. It sounds like at least five years ago. I have created a time vortex. I also could like Roma would be good too because I think Roma is great. Oh yeah. Vice I hope

does not get it. Roma I think is yeah. I think Roma the one category I would be a little bit miffed. Not that the screenplay is bad but this was the one I would just say any other category I'm way in for Roma screenplay less so. I agree with that. I think that I mean I didn't get to first reformed yet which is

unforgivable since it's on Amazon now I think but the favorite I did really love I didn't see Green Book and Vice I can't win I hope that I totally agree I really despised Vice I know some people like it I just top to bottom that movie is rotten at the core and I don't think there's like oh well what you just don't want to hear about dick i don't want to hear about dick cheney

in this way and i don't think the movie glorifies him at all i just think it's too cartoonish too all over the place and to who gives the show i think it's too preachy but i do i i liked christian bail and i think he was he was fun because oh what if we uh came to a different understanding and went to the hospital immediately well i do think the problem with vice primarily is the screenplay. So I would really hope that that is not where it wins. I hope it's just Christian Bale. Don't you think for First Reformed, though, with Schrader, I mean, the guy has been around for so long. He's created so much amazing shit, both as a writer and a director and a writer director. Couldn't this be like his departed? And they're like, all right, he's finally

fucking nominated for something. Let's hand it to him kind of a thing. I feel like that, if I think the first reform was, like, woefully under-nominated. Like, I think... Oh, I do, I do too. Ethan Hawks should have been nominated director, the whole bit. But I think since it's just the one, I also feel like there was another... Like, you get your screeners in the mail

on the back of your first reformed thing. It's like, we cannot have Paul Schrader at the mic on... We're not allowing that. Right, because he might say that you try to bring back Kevin Spacey or something. But I mean, I think he should win just for taxi driver, alone. Let's do a make good like we did for Gladiator with Russell Crow to make good for not winning the insider, right? Is that right? Oh, is that the story behind that? Is that fucking gladiator, man? Who could care? And then Denzel Washington won for Training Day to make up for his

entire career. Well, that's what I brought up Scorsese. It's the same thing. And that's why I think Sam Elliott is a lock. Yeah. All right. So we let's just jump on over to it for best supporting actor, Mahershala Ali for Green Book, Adam Driver for Black Klansman, the aforementioned Sam Elliott and the star is born, Richard E. Grant for Can You Ever Forgive Me? And Sam Rockwell as George Debby Bush for Vice.

I can't believe Rockwell got nominated. I think that's insane. Why are we nominating Saturday Live performances? Again, like, bail absolutely sure. I think, but like Rockwell was the most cartoony out of the whole movie and took me out of the movie every single time. I'd agree with that. And I think

actually, I don't think it's going to be Elliott. I think it's probably going to be Grant. I hope that's my hope, right? Because he's such a good dude, first of all. He's been in a lot of great things and just sort of ignored. But that's what, see, this is

what sucks. No movie is awesome. I'm sorry. The movie is absolutely awesome. It's a great movie. Guys, Whoopi Goldberg is handing out this award and it goes to Sam Elliott, her co-star from Fatal beauty back in the 80s and it would be an amazing little moment that no one would understand but us was uh was she ever anything with richardy grant i would like to uh thank the whoopster hey uh hey whopster i was watching fatal beauty the other day uh real

fine performance both of us turned in and that cop comedy say whoopster did we ever fuck i feel like we did at some point it's probably a party gotta be honest with you my life is pretty hazy oh you know what whoopster sorry i was confusing me with ted dancing i do that all the time no i was confusing you with ted dancin actually i one time fuck ted dancing and it's glorious i would read yeah definitely yeah like dancing slash elliot uh oh my god that is some slash i could read i yeah i don't know i mean like yeah Elliot's fine in that movie, but I also think that, like, it's just nuts that he's nominated and Bradley Cooper's just doing an impression of Sam Elliott.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really don't like a star is born. I'm not crazy about it either. I think it's like aggressively okay. That's aggressively okay is a great way to put it, dude. I actually, I think it's a great first 40 minutes.

And then it really just falls right off a cliff. that's totally true cabin because also that movie's like two hours and 15 minutes and you are just fucking sitting through it well because you think the first i agree with you the first 40 minutes you think it's gonna be about lady gaga's like actual rise and like what that looks like actually in the modern context you know what i mean like there's smartphones everywhere blah blah blah but the rest like after minute 41 that the rest of that movie could take place in 1976 oh you think she should had a she should a twitter scandal dude yeah something like that also he pissed himself at the grammies That's how you kill yourself. It's like, oh, dude, everyone is talking about it all of the time. Right. I mean, the thing with that is every other version of the story does center on the woman. So it's a little weird to make the choice that it seems to be more about him for the last hour and 20 minutes. Yeah.

Especially when you're the director too. Yeah. And the writer and all that stuff. But what if there was more me? What if she does something But then you look at me Looking at her being like Do you see this tan

Do you see this beard I got I grew my hair perfectly To attract a lady Gaga Not quiet everybody When you want to attract a lady Gaga You gotta get real still Dye your hair dark brown Don't want to scare it away

Cover yourself with mud It can sense heat so adam driver i think he's great but i think that's like a no chance in hell in this category compared to everyone else here and rockwell the same so and my herschela i mean here's the other thing though i will be not surprised but uh uh aggressively upset if this turns into like it was green books night yeah uh i actually i didn't see it i read all the the negative takes about it. So did anyone actually sit down with Greenbrook? Oh, I saw it. I saw it three times at this week. I think the weird thing is that Mercia Ali is the best part of that movie by like

leaps and bounce. I think I think Vigo's good too. Like the acting is good. It's just your classic like two good performances trapped in a shitty movie. It's just a movie that makes like fucking white boomers feel the tiniest bit better about race relations, which is like, which is most movies. And which is most of the academy. Yeah. But that's, so that's what I'm saying, though, Cabin is like, and I'm just looking at, like, the stats of, like, how long I've played these movies. I opened Green Book the fucking day before Thanksgiving, and I'm still playing it. Oh, Jesus. And I saw it to quite a raucous crowd on, like, a Monday at, like, you know, 3 p.m.

Like, what makeup are you talking, though? Like, who was in that audience? Old people. Just nothing but old people. Yeah. Steve St. X stars are nothing but old. people. I feel like if it was a younger crowd, a lot

more of these things would probably be going to a star as born. Yeah. But I think that they really just did shut them out and because First Reform, which is almost universally accepted as the best movie that came out last year, is, you know, relegated to

what, one category? Yeah. Is that it? I think the screenplay was the only nomination. That's insane. It's nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. It's insane that Ethan Hawk got shut out. And, I mean, like, the fact that, I mean, again, Mahershal Ali definitely belongs in best supporting, but I do think Vigo is fine for that nod,

but I think the rest of Green Book needs to be somewhere else, like not nominated for anything. Well, Steve, you said it on the mailbag, dude, Peter Farrell, he's a genius. Yeah, he sure is. Anyone could have directed that movie, literally anybody. That's what I think is, like, so unfortunate about it, is there's, like, nothing in that movie that's like,

wow, the direction of this film. You know, it's really just like nothing. Like, it doesn't even feel, to that extent, like a Farley Brothers movie. I also think that you should, you should lose your directorial nomination the second. You use a map and a little line to tell that time and distance are happening. Like, that's not it. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's what shut out fucking all those Indiana Jones movies.

That's it. That's a rule. Yeah, it's just, I don't know. I'm, I'm going to be so ready, the second that ceremony is over with, I'm going to be so fucking ready to stop talking about Green Book. It's going to be great. I think, yeah, so you want to go to Best Actor? Yeah, let's do that. So we got Christian Bail for Vice, Bradley Cooper for a Star is born, Willem Defoe for At Eternity's Gate.

What? Rami Malik for Bohemian Rhapsody and Vigo Mortensen for Greenbook. I will say, I just, because this is... You just heard about at Eternity's Gate, because so did I. No, because I saw... I've heard about it. I wanted to see it, and yet here we are. I saw that movie back, Kevin, you saw it too at the New York Film Festival? At Eternities Gate?

Yeah. Yeah, I like it. It's the same, I think, with almost all Schnabel movies, where I like half of it exactly. I thought it was quite excellent. I was really struck by that movie. It was one of my favorites of the year The camera work is insane It's so I mean It's nuts to me that that Did not get cinematography

It's a beautiful I mean it's a movie directed by a painter You know so like it just it looks incredible Well don't worry about it because cinematography is again being handed out The basement number three Under the auditorium Didn't they renege on all that? They did yeah

That's the thing that the Oscars have been doing They've been like oh we're going to have a popular film award oh wait everybody hates that no okay Kevin Hart everybody hates him okay no maybe not every single like award show where you're clapping to yourself needs to be the highest rated thing

on television exactly like it's fine to lose of course it's going to lose viewers over the years like people are going to watch it but it's just not going to be the Super Bowl but guys look at what happened to the fucking cable ace awards they took that mentality and now it's just gone Steve you were talking recently

about like fans not owning art and fans like shouldn't be listened to. This is one situation where the fans actually made the thing better. Well, that's not true. I mean, I take your point, but it's more like fans were like, no, no, no, don't ruin it. You had it. Don't ruin it. What do you mean? Well, they tried to change it and the fans said, don't do that. Yeah. So they did not change it. Yeah, so they listened to the fans and said, okay, we're not going to do that. You're right. the other thing i was going to say though just as we're talking about lead actor here the other night i don't know that any i think maybe cabin or no steve you did too we all saw bohemian

rhapsody oh yeah dude you guys this is one of the worst movies i've seen a really fucking long time yes i cannot believe it's been nominated so much it is a fucking pile of horse shit that movie i thought remi malick was fine like he was probably the best part of that movie yeah but that's not saying a ton i could imagine him in a good version of this movie and me being much happier yeah absolutely and but he is i mean he is the live wire and i this is really to me the thing where they're shoving it in your face we're like we don't really care if we're going to help an accused pedophile uh to get more jobs yep well i mean i don't i think singer's probably done at this point no matter what uh no he's not they shelved that fucking

dude. The Red Sonia? I thought it was back on. No, they shelved it. I don't think no matter what, even if Bohemian Rhapsody sweeps the whole thing, I think Singer's probably done. I think. But Bohemian Rhapsody is, the whole thing about

Bohemian Rhapsody is it's that thing, it's that Broadway show where it's like, oh, it's all of Shares hits, and the idea is you go in, you're a tourist, you don't want to see the exciting new Broadway show that might be challenging. You go into a allow an auditorium to hear

music you've already liked. And that's all the Humane Rhapsody is. They call those jukebox musicals. That's exactly what it is. It's like you're there. And I was feeling that too. Because I don't give a shit about Queen, but like you put those like the big hits on.

I'm fucking tapping my toe and singing along. And that's what it was. Also by the way, because we're predominantly just using Freddie Mercury's vocal tracks for all of it. Like Rami Malik, as far as I'm understanding it, did no singing and they said they mixed him in but i doubt that they mixed him in well you know you guys i think you hit the nail in the head with the juke box box musical there i think they should have just done this as a musical like i don't like i don't care if you're talking to

business men you know just sing through the like write a song a queen-esque song about that's a really good idea contractor yeah it's like a musical with the songs are in the style of queen or something yeah just never ends i was uh i could from concert and there's another concert and then there's a song about getting a taxi and then he vaguely has sex with men because it's year 2019 like i don't need i don't need weekend i don't need to see come but i need to see like sensuality if that you know if that's the dude's life let's do that no to self rent weekend oh dude yeah you want to wear it's quite good it's a great movie it's it's one of those things though where it's like you're not going to show sensuality because of the angle of this movie and again it's weird because it's weird because you're not going to show sensuality because of the angle of this movie and again it's weird because of because this is supposedly predominantly directed by Brian Singer, who is a gay man. That like, it's like once he starts like sleeping with dudes

and that fucking mustache twirling evil gay guy, the dude from fucking Downton Abbey is like ruining his life. Like once he starts having sex with dudes, his life goes downhill. Yes. Is what the movie tells you. So there's not, there's no room for sensuality because it's like, or even sexuality.

It's all off screen. It's like, oh man, last night, Freddie had a lot. all the sex. That was something. And it's like, that's it. Yeah. Hey, guys, guys, we had to find a way to give Mike Myers a role in something. Oh. Fucking hell. That, like, that was my, I don't know, was it the worst part of the movie? Maybe not, but it felt like it in the moment. I screamed at my television when the scene, it's like the second scene with him and he's fucking pissing a moaning about Bohemian Rhapsody, the song. And he has the line. It's something like, who is going to want to sit in their car and bang their head to this song

and I wanted to fucking throw my television out the window like dude do we really I knew I wasn't going to escape it but did we really need a Wayne's world reference and best picture goes to yeah no I mean it it did it at the globes dude and I fucking shit the bed then I hadn't even seen it yet and even Robbie Malik I do think he's fine but I don't think that I mean like the rest of this now the rest of the fucking you know slate you know bail is great in a bad movie Cooper is I think Cooper is just fine

with a capital F yeah I agree on that yeah Vigo's good Vigo's doing good stuff the weird thing about Vigo in that movie is he's 61 years fucking old He is 601 in real life No Vigo is 61 The dudes if you look at the timeline The guy should be in his 30s

Which kind of makes sense I mean like the age difference between him and Linda Cardellini All right okay yeah that's weird but it's weird that he's like it's kind of weird because like when he talks it when he's in the car

and he's talking he's like oh yeah back at the war and to me I was like oh was that like World War II but no it was supposed to be Korea that's what you know what I mean like it just it skews the movie how old he is

I thought that was going to be the war to win democracy or whatever the war to end all war is World War I I don't know if you should be gaining all that weight in your 60s man I mean I guess he'll lose it but I think he's probably just going to, I mean, they probably made him older to rake in the boomers, I feel.

Wait, but we weren't fat-suiting it with that? Oh, no, he's, that's all Vigo, dude. Well, we had him at the Burns for a fucking Green Book screaming. Was he thick with two Cs? No, he was looking totally fine. He looked like Vigo Mortensen. Wow. The weights are lost at all.

Yeah, I mean, he's probably got like a mad nutritionist. Well, Bail can do it. Bail's already backed him. Well, that's it. Maybe, maybe he sat down with bail and he said, maybe we could come to some kind of understandings. How can I eat air and nothing else? Bail's going to die in like 20 years. Oh, easy.

All those weight fluctuations. I think he said that this was the last time he was going to do that because, uh, like, didn't he have like a heart doctor or something because he wound up recommending Adam McKay see that guy and Adam McKay was like about to have a heart attack or something. Did you see that story? Oh, no. Like, he was, he was, like, having troubles on the set or something. Christian Bail was like, you should go see this doctor I have or something like that.

Maybe it wasn't his doctor. What if we went to the hospital immediately? That's what it was, dude. And this doctor was like, hey, Adam McKay, you're like 50, whatever. You have to stop smoking and eating terribly because you're really about to have a heart attack. So Christian Bail, the story was like Christian Bale basically like saved Adam McKay's life. Don't eat pie. Adam curiosity. I didn't see at Eternity's Gate. When, when DeFoe takes his ear off and puts it in a box, does you look at it and yell, avenge me? The movie avoids showing you that. Oh, but speaking about the age gap or whatever of Vigo, this has it too because isn't DeFoe like way older than Van Gogh ever got to see? Yeah, Van Gogh only lived to be in like his early 30s or something and DeFoe was like a 60.

old Europe 30s that's why I think it's totally passable because he was fucking riddled with like syphilis and shit so like he could have looked like a 60 year old man when he was like 32 no no they should have definitely still gotten Chris Pine sorry Kevin

I know you love Chris Pine but that dude does not have the chops for that movie yeah probably not who is wasted in At Eternity's Gate though I feel is you have Oscar Isaacs floating around there really yeah is Guguin. Paul Gagat.

Yeah, Gagin. And Rupert Friend plays... A windmill. Teo Van Gogh, the brother. And he's also quite good in it. Like, I truly think it's a really good movie. I'll be able to watch it eventually. But I think for this, for this category, you know, my whole thing is like,

fuck, man. I mean, this is tough because I don't give a shit about so much. I mean, I guess the reality is for me, I want Defoe. I think it's probably going to get tossed honestly to Bradley Cooper I think he's probably going to win too I really hope not because I think that everybody feels bad that he didn't

get a director's nomination which he totally didn't deserve yeah and they're like well I mean he's kind of good in that movie and I mean he is kind of good in that movie I'm going to say bail or Malick because I'm thinking about the age range of the voters and like Vigo is also a possibility

I think it probably goes to I want to say it probably goes to Malik and then Cooper is possibly the dark horse I just cannot believe

they're going to reward Bohemian Rhapsody for anything it's insane it's one I have to go back and amend my letterbox list now that I've seen it because it is one

of the worst movies of 2018 it's fucking embarrassing the fucking live aid concert when they're showing that crowd it fucking looks like guitar hero footage it looks you know it looked better when uh snoke not snoke when uh your man there uh general hawks

gives that speech in uh uh yeah the force awakens like that fascist speech yeah yeah like it looks that looked better than live yeah i mean because that was awesome and why isn't that nominated this year uh best actors in a supporting role uh all right so for excuse me for so for that we have Amy Adams for Vice Nope Marina de Tavaa from Roma she was the woman who played the wife Regina King if Beale Street could talk

Emma Stone the favorite Rachel Weiss also the favorite I agree with Chris Cabin that it should be Regina King I still haven't seen Beal Street unfortunately that's one of these I haven't seen It's good but like I think I had such expectations coming off of moonlight

Right yeah it's a tough follow up Exactly and that's not that's not like the movie's fault but it's good um i i liked probably the favorite in roma more so i don't i could see it going to maybe one of the favorite uh stars there emma stoner rich or vice but probably king i would say yeah i'm an amy adams stan as they say in the streets i just thought you're your fan your fan of her is ever you're saying a stan his name is stanley his name is stanley I think it's a reference to the M&M song. Yeah, that means like a super fan kind of.

It's like saying instead of, you know how like photography got replaced by the word selfie? Now fan is replaced by Stan because some 14 year old typed it on a goddamn AOL, not AOL, but you know, the modern one of AOL. Snapchat. Twitter, we call that Twitter. No, but I just, I think that she does nothing in that movie. Yeah, she doesn't do anything. No, I mean, but like she does illustrate that like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. woman was perhaps more villainous than the husband in terms of forced like pushing him to

become an evil monster like if she was this cool with him just being like a drunk coming home after hanging telephone wires and just screaming at the at the void we would have avoided a lot of death in this well she's she's truly uh the puppet master yeah i also think Emma stone should be best actress right like that's that's a leading role they gave it to Olivia Coleman instead right oh yeah yeah but you're i think you're kind of right though steve because she i'm it is her movie she is the star she's the protagonist yes uh so it is it's weird yeah i mean i think i think both anyone from the favorite all three of those performances are fantastic yes yeah oh they're excellent that actually might be my favorite movie the year that i've seen yeah it's it's just great

it's like flat out like it's it's a period piece but it like really seems vital and exciting you know what i mean it's not stuffy in the least i guess i should come and say, I don't think it's that good. Really? It's probably actually not my least favorite Lanthamos, but... Well, because that has to be Alps,

because that is a legitimately bad movie. I like Alps much more than better. By the way, if you're listening to this and you're not aware of Chris Cap and he's noted as one of the top 10 most contrary film critics to have ever walked the earth. This has to be mentioned on every episode now,

much like the fuck you, Chris, has to be on... It's a disclaimer. It's a disclaimer. I just want people to know. I'm imagining we're in our 70s. It's a fantasy where we live to our 70s. Oh, nice. And we're at a deli.

We're all old men. And, like, Chris is like, you know, can I have the, I'll take the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Matsa bowl soup. And then Eric just chimes in, yeah, waitress. You know, my friend here happens to be the top 10 contrarian film critic of the year. That extends to soup, apparently. the guy's got the soup taste i apologize for it and i'll have the krefka oh ew clabka blash um yeah i i just

think when i'm looking at these performances here i saw every movie in in this category i just think of regina king that the sequence in beel street where she goes to cuba to try to get that woman to drop the charges and everything like it's just knock you on your ass power act that I don't think anything else and any of these other performances comes close to so for me at least like personal preference that's kind of a no brainer

and I wouldn't be I don't think it's a stretch to say that people would give it to her either but the problem is also like everyone's just so fucking in love with Emma Stone still I think she's great in that I actually think Rachel Weiss

is better in this category for sure and actually like DeTivaria as well in Roma I think she's like she kind of gives that movie a lot of contours and does a lot of quiet stuff that's really helpful. I'd agree with that. All right, so let's pop up to lead actress.

We have Elisa Aparizio for Roma, Glenn Close for the wife, Olivia Coleman for the favorite, Lady Gaga, Stars Born, and Melissa McCarthy for Can You Ever Forgive me? I should say that I'm hoping no one on this show right now saw the wife because none of us are 65 years old. Well, guess who's 60 years old?

Why did you watch this movie? Shaggin, dude? Yes, I am. I'm doing it right now. He's a granny Shagga. Chris Cabin, not only is a contrarian, he also goes to film screenings to pick up older women. That are various stages of senility.

Nothing but slam dunks. The octopus of film for him. You grab it and everything. The tentacle will come for you. No, I saw it. How is it, Chris? The movie itself is not good at all. But she is very, if there's a reason to watch it, she's the reason to watch.

She is essentially, the movie is not bad as Bohemian Rhapsody, but it's a similar situation where the only redeemable thing about it is the nomination for the star. But, Kevin, let me ask you this in The Wife, are they playing a bunch of catchy rock and roll classics? They are not. Now there's now there's literally no reason for me to watch that. Yes, if you shouldn't. Go ahead. I think this is more than likely, I think it's probably Lady Gaga. I would like it to be Melissa McCarthy or honestly I would like it to be anybody but her other than Glenn Close.

Oh yeah, yeah. But like I'm almost certain it's going to be her because they can't. say no to that speech. I think Olivia Coleman. I think she was fantastic. And also, I think Roma is great and her performance was great as well. But I think, I don't know, I love the favorite and I think that's my favorite. I kind of agree. I mean, like, I think that Olivia Coleman's really great in that movie. I think like she makes herself, like she can alternate between being regal and disgusting and like a heartbeat. Oh, yeah. In a more realistic way. Like this, that's what Dick Cheney should have been like. Yeah, exactly. Like I want to see him

like fucking farting and shit you know you know what happened all the time and that that's a great point it's like it gives him so much goddamn dignity like i was just the uh most quiet man in the room and that's how you win i farted again yeah he's disgusting fuck pig and show him like that at least once or twice you should have had a scene where it's dick cheney is explaining directly to the camera what sharding means and then it's a montage of him in all of these very important meetings throughout the history and it's just like yeah i sharded right there i sharded in that meeting oh oh the mission accomplice publicity stunt i sharded on the aircraft carrier yeah hello uh don't rumsfeld uh yeah watergate happened prepared to get to wash it in and shard all over we're going

shartin time condi don't hold your nose at me condi and hold your nose as the montage is going he's getting more and more okay with sharding. At first he's like, oh, God, I got to go to the bathroom. But by the end, he's just, like, rocking in his chair while it happens. President Ford asked me to leave the Oval Office when I sharted down my pants. And there was a sizable turd left on the Oval Office carpet. Oh, I need to go to the hospital, by the way. Could you give me a ride?

Yeah, I think Yolita is really, really great in that movie. I mean, like, you could just look at her. You get so much from that performance. You know what I mean? And Coron frames her perfectly, but, like, you really, I don't know, she goes through really a lot of different emotions in that movie, and none of it's super showy. Speaking of which, I think Melissa McCarthy is similarly great.

Like, it's not, it's not this big Academy Award winning performance. Like, she's just really kind of scummy and quiet and, like, wants to be left alone. And, like, I think it's the best thing she's ever done by, like, leaps and bound. Oh, it absolutely is. And I think that's what's so great about it is it's her doing something. she's never done before. You know, I was very pleased that I could get through a Melissa McCarthy movie without everybody to watch her fall over.

Yeah. You know, or like fall through a table or whatever the fuck. Or shit the street. Guys, I think I just realized, did we, we did original screenplay, but we didn't do adapted? You should probably get to that. We'll get to that next. I just want Melissa McCarthy to win so she can play a joke on everybody

and be like, you know, thank you to the Academy. Thank you so much for this award. You know, working on the Happy Time Murderers. was the real honor of my life. Kicking that puppet in the nuts. It was just, it was like me in Heston. All right, so we adapted screenplay. We have The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, Black Klansman.

Can you ever forgive me if Beal Street could talk and a star is born? I should say I, from this list, because fuck you, Netflix, I never got around to it. I have not seen The Ballad of Buster Scruggs. I think that should win. I actually absolutely loved that movie. I actually just watched it this week. I liked it. I liked it quite a bit.

But it's, I think it's really good. It's very showy. It's very Cohen. I like that they did something on Netflix. Like clearly we don't give a show. I like they got nominated for a movie. Clearly they didn't care if anybody liked.

It was just like, we are doing us and this is it. Yeah, that's great. I think it's really good. Getting nominated for being yourself is pretty sweet. I would love, can you ever forgive me here? I think that that's one of my favorite movies of the year by far, and I think that that screenplay is just really confident

and, again, kind of quiet and, like, everything hits you the right way. You don't really find out about what Richard E. Grant's deal is for quite some time the way to reveal all that information about him. It's just great. Yeah, I think it's probably going to end up going to, Can You Ever Forgive Me? But I mean, I would really like,

I don't know if Black Klansman's going to, get anything else and I would kind of really like to see it get that yeah for sure I think maybe it might get director because I think it's time for Spike Lee to win something it is fucking possible it I mean yeah and it's a great movie I really really enjoyed it I finally watched it over the weekend

and I really it's one of those things I regretted taking so long to see it it really knocked me on my ass I I like that ending dude right oh I know it's so crazy like The only, the beef I had with it was in the screenplay, funny enough, because I'm talking about how I think it should win fucking adapted screenplay too. But my one beef was like, there's too many like, hey, remember Trump's president? Like, throughout the movie. I guess a little bit of that. I like connecting those dots, honestly. Like, I just feel like it makes it more. I didn't think it was dot connecting, though.

I just thought it was like, hey, Trump. It does it in a more tactful way than Vice did it. Because Vice is just like, they books, bookends with like the focus group. And there's like, you libt hard. And like, they're like getting into these. That part of Vice was terrible. But what I did, I did like the part at the end, though, where Dick Cheney, like, is looking at the camera. And he's like, hey, by the way.

if you fucking voted for George W. Bush before, you brought all that other shit on yourself that you deal with now. Bye, bye, movie. Oh, you're still here? Oh, I'm just in my towel here coming out of the shower. And, oh, yeah, I'm like, oh, chichika, chica. I think he's like Deadpool in that scene, too.

Like, Dick Cheney breaking the fourth wall is just like too funny for me. Like, either do it throughout the film or not. I think that, I mean, back to the connect of the dots, love the Heather higher stuff. It's so hard to watch. And it's so vitally important to put that in that movie.

Because also, he's putting in the footage that they cut out of the news broadcast. You know what I mean? That was the first time I saw that footage and I was stunned in the theater and I was weeping, openly weeping. Yeah. No, I mean, it's

such a good fucking movie. And I guess we can take this to achievement in directing then so we have uh spike lee for black clansman pavel pavlovakowski for cold war uh good old yorgos lanthamos for the favorite alfonso quaron for roma and fucking what are we doing here adam mackay for vice couldn't do it i know that's what i'm talking about what is this vice nomination here i that's he's the one person in the category that i don't want to win everybody else i'm okay with yeah i do agree like i think it's spikes time like if you're

ever going to do in the makeup Oscar and also Black Cleansman is awesome. Give it to Spike Lee. Pavel Pavlovoski. I mean, the Cold War is one of my favorite movies of the year too. It's excellent. It's excellent. And it's beautifully directed.

It is. And I love seeing a film that could you know, it's foreign film category, but it's also achieved a cinematography nomination and he's getting this directing nomination. I think it's so

awesome when they can fucking acknowledge that you know these films that are made outside of the united states are just as worthy of getting these like quote unquote like more major or more important category nominations absolutely i i mean yeah i think you might be right and that's lee might get this just because quran already got his right oh because you got gravity right he's already been there so if it wasn't for that i would say it's probably going to quoron but i do i feel like you're you're probably right it's probably between lee and lanthamos honestly and both those are well deserved i mean like yeah obviously like in terms of deserved i think spike lee deserves it more just for the career

but like i think the favorite is just excellently directed i mean like without him it's i could i could see koran getting it in the way that like roma's probably not winning best picture so i feel like roma needs to be recognized even though it was on a goddamn internet streaming service so I didn't watch it until like yesterday and it's you know what dude it's fucking unfortunate that that's how you had to watch that movie yeah really is you know that whole thing was fucking bullshit and Netflix continues to be a plague in this industry I saw it in theaters I mean that movie had decent distribution that is such a gorgeous movie it didn't though dude like when you like the fucking nuts and bolts of like the agreements that you had to make to get that movie

before it was on the streaming platform like now sure they don't care because it's everywhere so like you can stream it on Netflix or you can go to these theaters that are playing it but the fucking bullshit was like before it was on Netflix they were like yeah yeah yeah we're still definitely concerned about theatrical exhibition that's totally fine so here's the deal two weeks before it comes out on our platform you can open it on a Thursday and you can play it till that Sunday but then you have to stop playing it for Monday Tuesday and Wednesday and then you can come back on screen the next Thursday up but you have to come off that Sunday again and it was just like this manipulative like what are you doing like that's not how

this business works you can't just come in here and be like hey we're Netflix and this is when you can play our fucking movie like it was so frustrating to me that like when we were going back and forth like it was really it was honestly a tough call because you know at the burns honestly I mean this isn't like you know talking out of school or anything we were like struggling because it's an excellent film and we had people that wanted to see it but it was at the end of the day we decided like you're not going to dictate how we play movies and it was manipulative and really fucking shitty and disingenuous and yeah I don't know I just it didn't if that movie was owned by fucking whatever Sony Pictures classics fuck searchlight whatever it would have had a traditional

rollout it still would have received all these nominations and I don't think the fact that like you can see it on your streaming platform means that like more people are finding that movie because at the end of the day it's still black and white Spanish language art house movie. I think more people are watching it just by by dint of being able to see it, right? But there's no way to know that though

dude. There's no way to know that because they don't fucking report those numbers. Anything they say about it is like they said something, it was some insane number like oh yeah we know that like 70 million people have seen this movie. Really? Like there's no metrics for that that they release and I just think they're

as a company completely full of shit. Well, they definitely are. I mean, they are fueled by invisible money. So they are definitely full of shit. But wasn't it also, didn't Coron have some special thing about showing it? Didn't like you have to have like certain Dolby sound? Yeah, the Dolby Atmos, yeah. They were demanding really high quality sound that a lot of theaters just aren't fitted for.

And also like speaking about the distribution of it, it's like outside of New York city it's hard it was super hard to find playing uh one theater um uh i know uh in newberg new york played it for like a day what was that i mean i don't know i feel like as a quote unquote coastal lead isn't it easier to say oh these things need to be in theaters but like if you're in you know a shit-ass part of michigan i don't know i always pick my michigan but i do uh you know what i mean like that doesn't have an art house theater or if it does it's got one screen or whatever the fuck and now I could just if I'm really into art house movies if it's on a streaming service that's better than not seeing it no I I don't think you're wrong with that Steve but I think

that there is a way to have it both ways and what bothers me is that Netflix pretends to share that opinion and it's not true I think if you had to get asses in seats at theaters there would have been a bigger ad ad campaign so more people would have been aware of it like it kind of all these Netflix releases for me kind of get under the radar because it's like oh yeah that came out and I was and I had like I totally forgot about it like I want to see Velvet Buzz

Saw and I just I had wanted to see it for a while and I just realized it already has been on Netflix for like a month. I but that I totally agree with. I think that their actual rollout is terrible. Their interface is the worst. Yes. It's like don't you want to watch umbrella academy?

Like I'm trying to watch Bustra fucking Scruggs. Dude what is this? Must I press the back. But to your point, access is important. And I do think they do play a good service in terms of access. But I just wish I was more aware of what they were doing. Yeah. And that's the like Velvet Buzz saw, at least they put it on their main page.

Like high flying bird. I had to search, I had to type in H-I-G-H-F-L-Y until it came up. I had to dig for Roma this week. That's nuts. That's crazy. I mean, and that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I about that. You know, like with Roma, it's like, it's in the conversation because of like all the acclaim that it's garnered.

But even like Buster, and that's what's interesting too is like with Buster Scruggs, they were not as gatekeepy about playing that movie. And like with Cabin, what was the Paul Giamatti movie that they had, the Tamara? Oh, private life, which is also very good. Private Life was another movie where it was like, they didn't give a shit about it. And it was like, oh, you want to fucking open private life in your theater? cool whatever we don't fucking care you know but it was like with roma it was just this weird thing where they were being so cagey and gatekeeping about it and it's like you have to have a uniform model for your fucking films like it's just it was very frustrating i mean i can also see them kind of

resenting the fact that they're also always being picked on when they are putting out movies like this i mean i'm not necessarily siding with them on this but i at least understand the fact that they're like, look, we're trying to do something new. This is what we've been trying to do. You know, it's not going to go easily. And like the fact that I do think the problem is that they do keep on saying, we care a lot about distribution. Yeah, like don't, you know, fucking piss on my face and tell me it's raining.

Yeah. You know, and also when you have two other streaming platforms that have had movies in the fight, you know, like this year and years before, so like this will bring us to, we'll do it real quick, uh, document. but like, Minding the Gap was a movie that Hulu had. And Hulu partnered with fucking Magnolia Pictures and they did a rollout of the movie theatrically and then the window closed. Magnolia doesn't take the bookings for it anymore.

You can stream it on Hulu or you can book it through the production company and there's nobody telling you how and when you can play Minding the Gap. And, you know, with Amazon, Amazon was like, all right, fuck it. They were hiring all these other companies to do their district. So you could do, like, Manchester by the Sea was managed, its whole theatrical thing was managed by a company called the Roadside Attractions. And then it went on prime. And then, you know, late last year, Amazon was like, by the way, now we have Amazon studios. And we're going to distribute our own films because they have oodles of money just like Netflix does. And, you know, they fucking released Susperia and fucking beautiful boy and all that shit before they put it on prime. So like, I just don't see why Netflix thinks like, they need to want to or have to reinvent the wheel with this shit. I think it's possible to play nice.

I mean, I think the first part of that is because they do, I think they do think they're, they changed everything. I mean, so I do think having a head on their shoulders is kind of natural, like having a bit of an ego about it is kind of natural. But I agree with you that

they should be finding a more clear way to do this with each movie they put out, even if it is their big Oscar favorite. And like, just to talk about Doc real quick, minding the gap, I did think was incredible. I'm actually more rooting for Hal County this morning, this evening. Which is also great. Incredible movie. It's a completely, I don't know any movie that looks like that.

No, it's, I mean, that's something you want to talk about fucking reinventing the wheel. I mean, the movie, it's really tough between those two. And then the other, the other, I mean, fathers and sons is fucking nuts. movie about like this dude was able to embed with this family uh in Syria I believe where he's basically watching like these fucking boys be radicalized to ISIS and this family just like let them film this happening like it's insane it is pretty crazy I I mean I understand why RBG is there I don't think it should be there well yeah that movie that that narrative was just so excellent oh man dude on the basis of sex. What a fucking turd biopic that movie was.

And then Free Solo is a really good rock climbing movie, but I don't, you know, I can't believe the Fred Rogers movie wasn't nominated, honestly. Yeah, I was kind of shocked about that too, even though I didn't see it. I just kind of when I saw it was like, well, that's going to win. Yeah. And I think it's a, it's like one of those things where it seemed like a shoe in, but it was also a good movie, so I was fine with it. And I would still totally recommend it. I think you should watch it for sure. Yeah, I feel like I heard about that movie and three identical strangers the most in terms of docs this year and there's nowhere to be seen here.

That was pretty shocking that Three Identical Strangers wasn't nominated. And that's an excellent movie. That's like a really excellent movie. That, won't you be my neighbor and RBG did like Bafo box office? You know, I mean, for documentaries, like it was crazy. I think they all

totally topped $10 million, which for a documentary, theatrically is totally insane. And I think free solos are actually up there too. That did quite well. I played that for a really long time. Oh, Guys, I was just told we're going to have to take a commercial break here. And in the break, we will talk about cinematography, and you won't hear that on this podcast.

Sorry, everybody. So we should wrap this up here. Do you want to do cinematography, quickly foreign language film and then get to Best Picture? Sure. I think Quran's going to win for Roma, and I think this will be the tradeoff for not giving him director. That's probably right. Now that I'm looking at the page here and I see that he's nominated for that, I think the cinematography in Roma and, like, the production design and, like, the managing of that

all those extras and all the variables in the frame was just incredible. Yeah, that's the riot scene specifically. Yeah, yeah. And not to steal your point, Eric, but the way that dick looks when he's swinging that stick. My lord. And I just love that we're just like, it's front and center

that he knows where to put a camera. Put it on that day. I think it's, yeah, go ahead. I think it looks fantastic. Oh, big time. Yes. I would, I actually think Cold War, personally, I prefer the

cinematography, the look of Cold War Aroma, but I just, but I could see either of them getting it. What I love about the cinematography in Cold War, Stephen, I think I actually how, it's tough, but I may agree with you on this. What I loved about Cold War

is when I saw it, I didn't know what the movie was about. So when it starts and the look of the film and I'm like all right, cool, so this is some like, you know, Eastern European period piece, fine. You know, I'm in it. That's totally cool. And then when the movie transfers to Paris, all of a sudden I felt like I was watching

a French film from the 1960s. And I was like totally blown away by the pivot that the film makes, you know, while you're still using like Academy Standard 137 aspect ratio, it's in black and white, but you just, he's doing so much there. And it's just such like lush photography. I just, this is a really hard category, except for the fact that what the flying part is a star is born doing there. It's just regular looking. I don't know. It looks regular.

That's just like we got to put stuff in there so people think a sweep might happen of that movie they like. You know what? I'll actually stick up with for that movie. I actually do think it's a pretty interesting looking movie. Again, it goes downhill, I think.

I think it's a little more freer in the beginning. The start like when like he's going up to the club and stuff, I was like, holy shit, this might actually be like a really good movie, but then it just continued to disappoint me as we went on. Yeah, I think that's...

You didn't do the silent live shots look great or not? Oh, no, yeah. The best of the movie. I do think it's almost certainly going to go to Cold War. I would place money on that one. Even though, I mean, the favorite, it's like his fucking Barry Lyndon, dude. I mean, that's... It's tough.

It's actually really tough. But I'm not sure. Robbie Ryan might have already won. That I don't know. I don't know. I think he has, though. He was... No, this is his first nomination.

Oh, really? Yeah, so I'm on the IMDB Tribune right. Oh, then, yes. Maybe he should win because he's been fucking great for a long time. Okay, so quickly, foreign language film, Kaepernom from Lebanon, from Lebanon, Cold War, from Poland, never look away from Germany, Roma from Mexico, and my favorite film of the year is Shoplifters from Japan.

So I'm thinking that should go to that. I think it's probably between that and Roma. depending on where the awards land otherwise. But I think the three main, I don't think Never Look Away is going to get anything. I don't think Capronom's going to get anything. But who knows? But I think it's between Cold War shoplifters and Roma.

I think it's going to be Cold War because I think Roma is going to win best picture. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I mean, I think Cold War certainly deserves it. Roma does as well. I mean, shoplifters, I wanted to see. I have it sitting next to me. and I was like, better watch that before we do this.

And just the day got away from me. But I am going to check it out and I'm very excited too. That movie looked sad. I don't know if it's very sad. It's a little sad. It's devastating. It's devastating. Yeah, that's true.

Roma's hilarious, though. Laugh riot. Go see Roma if you like to laugh. Especially when you see the dog's heads on the wall. Yeah, it's funny. The hospital scene is a laugh riot. Oh my God, I could not stop chuckling. I got a cramp.

No, I don't know. You know what? I needed CPR. after that scene, it was so funny. Oh, my God. No, I mean, I guess my thing about sadness and shop listeners is like, it looks sad kids. That's when I get like, I can't handle it. Yeah.

Sad adults, you know, like we're going back and forth across the border. Whatever, man, that's your problem. It was all about thirst, too. Yeah. The one thing I'll say, though, it's funny because Kaepernom and never look away are both distributed by Sony Pictures classics. And somehow, if you, I think if you look back over the last few years, like, nine times out of ten

the fucking Sony Pictures classic foreign language film is the one that wins and I don't know if it's because they mount corruption better corruption probably you know like better campaigns I have no idea I'd also just love the foreign feature section

why am I reading a movie in the first place the other thing about shoplifters is I'd love to see it win because it would be an Oscar win for the good folks at Magnolia Pictures and I mean Corita has been overdue.

I mean, the guy, he has yet to make a bad movie. I think he is a flawless director. Steve, do you know who directed? Don't look away? Never look away. Never look away. Is the man behind the tourist

and the lives of others? Yeah, you can keep it. Steve still hates the dude because his film The Lives of Others made him realize that he needed glasses. That guy changed my life. You remember that, though, Steve, and we watched that movie? Oh, totally, because we watched it.

We went to, I think, the Angelica, that fucking tunnel. And we're in the back and we're watching the lives of the other. I kept moving up, but I was like, I need glasses. I moved with Steve once. And then he's like, I got to get closer. I was like, do what you got to do, dude. I'm not moving again. That was a good movie.

It was a great movie. The thing about Never Look Away, it's fucking three hours and 10 minutes. So fucking strap in for that, I guess. Whatever. All right. So let's wrap it up here. picture black clansman black panther bohemian rhapsody the favorite green book roma a star is born and vice um we can talk about black panther a little bit since we haven't talked about anywhere

anywhere else i mean i think that movie it's deserving it's one of those big block bustery like the it's kind of like to me it's like the third lord of the rings it's like the one yeah that kind of encapsulates the movement a little bit you know what i mean like it's like i mean i mean i I think, and I also think Black Panther is a really good movie, but I don't think it's got a snowmalls chance. No, I think this is like a, see, you said we should fucking diversify the portfolio. We nominated it. I don't know. I think it has a chance.

I don't know if it's up there with, you know, Roma or Green Book or book, oh, God, if it goes to Bohemian Rhapsody. I feel like if it had a chance, Michael B. Jordan would have been nominated. That's my thing. Yeah. And he could have been, certainly. Yeah. He was great in that movie. I think it's there.

I mean, it's, I'm not saying, it's definitely worthy. I just don't think it's, it's being taken seriously by the academy. That's a good point. I don't think it's being taken seriously either, which I think is unfortunate. I mean, for me personally, it's my favorite MCU movie. But I think it's just a well-made movie. Like, Coogler makes fucking good movies. you know i think he is what is this now three for three yeah he's just he's got three features

yeah it's uh the this creed and uh fruit fail station then he's doing the fred hampton movie next who the what the fred ham the the black panther who was uh murdered in chicago oh interesting uh yeah now which marvel villain murdered him i think that was silver samurai I think it would just be I think it would be awesome to see either like Black Klansman or Black Panther win and just watch so many fucking dickheads on the internet shit their pants I will say there's three categories give Spike Lee one of these Oscars

yes you're totally right 100% yeah I mean I'm the favorite has been my my favorite out of the movies listed here and Roma's really good too but again like black clansman i'd be totally happy with i i would prefer vice or bohemian or the stars born not to get it i kind of feel like my my bet is roma i would like to see uh the favorite or black clansman win yeah i'm with you there i think the thing is if rome is really good too by the way yeah i mean it's a totally deserving really good movie that i i wouldn't be upset if roma won i'd be upset if

fucking a star is born vice or green book or bohemian rhapsody way well that's the thing i think if we can avoid, if Bohemian Rhapsody Green Book, a Star is Born and Vice all lose, then whatever else happens, we fucking win as a society. 100%. 100%. So I guess we will find out

the magic night is this Sunday. Oh, by the way, the bet we have going with Steve Sadek, if people do not know Oh, right, the bet. Yeah, on the love guru episode, episode 400, monumental corner, like, monumental episode of this show, kind of, you know, like,

Boom, 400 episodes. And we put money on the line that on this Academy Award night, Vern Troyer will be spit upon. That's Steve's bet. Everyone else is saying he'll get a quick second in this in-memorium. And so what's going to happen is tune into the Oscars, see who wins myself for the rest of the guys. And then tune into our March video mailbag where I will physically be handed money

by these fuckers. It's going to happen on air. You're going to see it happen. And that'll be on our YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash we hate movies, and it'll probably be towards the end of March. So you'll have to hold on to your hats there. You'll know who won.

Well, you will know who won, but you won't see it in the fleshy form. The pomp and circumstance. Steve, the other side of that is Eric and Andrew will have to hold you down while I pry your wallet out of your pocket. Yeah, that's true. There are a lot of people that died this year to Steve's credit.

I mean, what was, Harry Anderson? I think he's going to do. I think he's going to Bill Belichick right now. I really do. I will say just really quickly, if people are finding this episode because they're searching a bunch of shit for the Oscars, we're talking about whether or not Vern Troy will, Bern-Troyer will be Farina at the Oscars is the term we use here and we hate movies. And Steve, if you just want to quickly explain what we're talking about.

Dennis Farina, the year he died, which is a couple of years ago, was famously not in the in-memorium montage, and every year since then, the Farina is the people that are deserving of being memorialized that are not memorialized. Right. And Cabin, if I'm remembering right last year, wasn't Toby Hooper

Farina? Un-fucking believable. To not give Toby Hooper a space on that is fucking nuts. Yeah. So I'm very curious to see who's getting Frina. I'll say about Harry Anderson, though. I think people who are predominantly, prominently television, you're getting farinaed.

Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right, which makes more room for Vern Troier. That's true. That is true. So we will find out this Sunday evening with all the glitz, the glamour, and we'll find out who's wearing what, whatever the fuck else anybody cares about. But most importantly, whether or not Vern Troier is frened at the Oscars. So that is The We Hate Movies 2019 Oscar special.

Until next time, I'm Andrew Juppin. Steven Sadeck. Eric Siska. Take it easy.