WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Alien Invasion - War Of The Worlds Redux? - Guest : Chris Sharp

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

The 1938 Orson Welles radio play of "War of the Worlds" allegedly created widespread panic among a gullible listening audience, but in the eight-plus decades since the program was broadcast, the public has acclimated itself to the possibility of visitation by an alien intelligence. In this episode, Jeremy and George revisit some historical milestones that marked turning points in the public's understanding of the UFO mystery. And they are joined by Liberation Times editor in chief Christopher Sharp who reported this week about a confrontation between a US Air Force warplane and a mystery formation of unknown objects in the Gulf of Mexico. Chris also has an insightful update on the status of UAP legislation in Congress and the high stakes drama unfolding in Washington.  Check out Liberation Times at https://LiberationTimes.com  •••  GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail]  For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media.  Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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they're able to identify U.S. nuclear assets under the oceans. Secrets, cover-ups, and strange phenomena. UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself. All these mysteries, all this time, are we ever going to get to the bottom of these? My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't.

I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is weaponized. This is weaponized. Jeremy, how you doing? Feeling strong and feeling dangerous, George. You like my look here as I'm dark like I'm in a cave? I got a surprise right. Here comes. Light. He's illuminated. You're self-luminous like a UFO, George. So you only, you sent me this only what, a year ago? It took me this long with my technical expertise, took me this long to turn on this light. So there it is. Yeah, well, you got to plug it in and then push the button.

Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. Alien. So a lot of stuff going on. A lot of stuff going on. We kind of stirred up our Hornets Nest or helped to stir it up last week and asking our viewers and listeners to get riled up and to call their members of Congress.

And they did. Yeah, man. It is an exciting time. People did start making calls. And I got to urge everybody, you still have this week, this week to influence the biggest UAP Adam bomb legislation there has ever been in Senate and the House. I mean, Congress is debating this this week. This is the week to call and make those calls.

We did a whole episode about it. So this is what I want to change it around. I want to bring people back into the past. And one of the, I want to call this one more of the worlds, man, because I have been listening. 85 years ago next month in 1938, there was this broadcast, which maybe the youngans don't know about. But it was called War of the Worlds. and it was a radio broadcast that falsely, people say,

threw the public into panic about UFOs. But it didn't. It didn't throw the public into panic. It was Orson Wells doing like an audio play. Do you recall kind of hearing about that all along the way, George? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's one of the first things you read about in the course of investigating the history of the UFO phenomenon is,

boy, the big panic that was caused, we better be careful the public might freak out if we tell them the truth about UFOs and aliens and ETs, which, of course, was completely exaggerated. I've read so many articles and papers that have been written that blew it way out of proportion. People were able to figure out it's a radio show. I guess some did not, but there was no major freak out. Some people might have got misled, but no, we can handle it. Yeah, so it's like I want to kind of, you know, with the idea of war of the worlds and the 85th anniversary coming up next month,

I want to play three clips from it for our audience, is if you haven't heard it, it's just about an hour long, but it was just so cool the way they did it back then. And it opens with Orson Wells, kind of giving you this idea of what humanity is. And this was before it started sounding just like it was a radio broadcast where some people got tricked.

He was laying the groundwork for what this kind of play would be online. So it's a minute and a half, but let me play this for our audience. It is so cool. So check this out. Ladies and gentlemen, the director of the Mercury Theater and star of these broadcast,

Horson Wells. We know now that in the early years of the 20th century this world was being watched closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own. We know now that as human beings

busy themselves about their various concerns and they were scrutinized and studied perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinize the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacence, people went to and fro over the earth about their little affairs,

serene in the assurance of their dominion over this small, spinning fragment of solar driftwood, which by chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark mystery of time and space. Yet across an immense ethereal gulf, minds that are to our minds, that are to our minds, minds as ours are to the beasts in the jungle, intellects, vast, cool, and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. Slowly and surely drew their plans against us. That's good stuff. I mean, you know, it's Mercury Theater.

It's Orson Wells, actor, delivering these great lines based on H.G. Wells' book, I think most people figured out if they're a fan of that show, it's a show. But man, it's good. It's really good. Yeah, man. So just so, because, you know, if you don't know, you don't know, but it was just kind of this thing that was broadcast. But what happened was, I think that was the intro kind of putting into the idea of, you know, drifting solar driftwood, meaning us on planet Earth. It just created this incredible tone of like others. There being others out there and were about to be invaded. And again, that broadcast, was 1938.

So it kind of predates everything when we go through a little history lesson in a second from even the atomic era. This is before that. And they're talking about this invasion. So I want to give everybody a feel for it. If you missed that intro when you were listening in 1938, the next thing you're going to hear,

it sounds like a broadcast, starts a little music. And then all of a sudden, there are these explosions on Mars. So this is a one-minute clip. But let me play this for you so you can get the experience. of what it was like to be hearing this over the radio. Ladies and gentlemen, we interrupt our program of dance music to bring you a special bulletin from the intercontinental radio news. At 20 minutes before 8th Central Time,

Professor Farrell of the Mount Jennings Observatory, Chicago, Illinois, reports observing several explosions of incandescent gas occurring at regular intervals on the planet Mars. The spectroscope indicates the gas to be hydrogen and moving toward the Earth with enormous velocity. Professor Pearson of the observatory at Princeton, confirms Farrell's observation and describes the phenomenon as, quote, like a jet of blue flame shot from a gun, unquote.

We now return you to the music of Ramon Raquelho, playing for you in the meridian room of the Park Plaza Hotel, situated in downtown New York. So I love that. So it's just all of a sudden, you know, you just playing with a little bit, hey, there are these explosions that were detected on Mars. Is that what he said?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it builds and builds and builds. And, you know, they end up, I won't play the next one. People can go listen to it. But it's just kind of neat because it ends up bringing people all the way through this experience where they're interrupting this normal broadcast of music.

And then there's a farmer and there's farmland and something crashing. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. Okay, one more clip is that they're pulling in some like fake scientists. It's like going to talk about, you know, that this is not anything to worry about. So here's the next clip, 52 seconds. Ladies and gentlemen, following on the news given in our bullet in a moment ago, the Government Meteorological Bureau has requested the large observatories of the country

to keep an astronomical watch on any further disturbances occurring on the planet Mars. View to the unusual nature of this occurrence, we have arranged an interview with a noted astronomer Professor Pearson who will give us his views on this event. In a few moments, we will take you to the Princeton Observatory at Princeton, New Jersey. We return you until then to the music of Raymond Raquelho and his orchestra. So that was the next part, right, where they're like, oh, we're going to go to the Princeton Observatory. And we're going to get, you know, an expert in here to talk about those explosions on Mars.

But it just goes and goes, you know, they're in a field with a farmer. The farmer was, like sitting there and saw this green streaking thing, just like in Las Vegas has reported, this green streaking thing. Boom, something hits the ground. Must be a meteor, right? You know? And then it just gets bonkers. So that's a really neat thing if people haven't listened to that. Yeah, they can find that online, listen to the whole thing.

It's a lot of fun. And it, you know, it became sort of a model for the narrative for a long time. The people can't handle the truth. The public would freak out if it comes out. There was a study, I think, 1960 by the Brookings Institute that said something similar. Boy, unless the public is acclimated to get ready for this, our social institutions would deteriorate and crumble if it turned out that there is a more intelligent or higher civilization than us. And that was that guided policy for a long time in our country. It's funny, man, even to this day when all of a sudden, when all of those shootdowns of like the Chinese balloon and all that were going on, I would literally get texts like, is this war of the world?

So it's still, you know, within the zeitgeist and popular culture. And that's a big debate is like, you know, UFOs are real. Obviously, they're machines and they're not from here. Or if they are from here, we don't know who made them. And they've been here before we had modern technology. So the question is, is this hostile? Is this some sort of slow burn, observational overtake scientific program? And that was kind of what you heard in the intro of the worlds that were kind of under the microscope.

And we've been under the microscope a long time. So it's just, it's really funny that that hasn't really changed. We still don't know what the UFO phenomenon really represents. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost.

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as we know from documents released after FOIA became the law of the land. There were intense internal debates behind the scenes within our military, intelligence communities, whether or not the public can handle it, what to reveal, what to know. As you and I know, we're not entirely sure that there's anybody that knows the full picture, the real story on this. So the debate about what or if to, whether to release anything or not is kind of misguided in that sense because it's not clear anyone inside government knows.

The public in general, the people that we hear from all the time, they're pretty sure that they can handle it. I mean, we shot down three UFOs earlier this year. Nobody freaked out. You know, it went back to two days later. They're looking at their phones and doing Twitter and watching for the Barbie movie and all that stuff and not worried about war of the worlds.

It was a story for a couple of days. You know, so I think... For our audio audience, when you said shot down UFOs, you used air quotes with your fingers. So, you know, I think for a long time, the paternalistic folks inside a government figured they can handle the truth, whatever that truth might be. But we out here in the public, we the rubs can handle it. We'd freak out. And maybe we would, depending on what the truth is. We don't know what it is yet.

The rubs, I didn't know what that term meant. It was actually Joe Rogan who taught me that term. He's telling me what it meant. I didn't know that Rube means like a newbie or somebody not initiated or informed or something. Yeah, unsophisticated. Yes. Hey, I'm trying to get more UFO sophisticated every day. So what I'm doing is I'm reading books, George.

And there's this one, this guy, Mark Mahoney from the Shamrock Social Club, the guy that does like all my tattoos, right? He just reached over and goes, hey, Jeremy, you need to read this if you haven't. He handed me a book. You've told me about a whole bunch. and our audience should be able to see this. It's the report on unidentified flying objects. This looks like one of the original copies. It was written by Edward J. Rupelt.

Can you tell people a little bit about what this book is? I think it's cool. Ruppelt was sort of one of the pioneers in the military study of UFOs right from the beginning. He was head of Blue Book for a while. I think he was involved in Sign and Grudge as well. He wrote this report on unidentified flying objects after he got out of the military, and it was blockbuster stuff, because as we know, the history of Project Blue Book, they did their best to explain away all the UFO cases they could and came up with preposterous

explanations. Swamp Gas is the most infamous example of that. And after he got out of the program, and it was a private citizen, Rupelt wrote a book, I've got the copy of it, he actually wrote two versions of this. So this version was very blunt about this is a legitimate mystery, and there are cases, the more information we have about them, the less were able to explain them away. It was a blockbuster book at the time. Then after a little while, Repel wrote another version of the book, same book, where he was much more critical of eophologists, of some of the famous cases, some of the stuff that he had written in the first version of the the book, he even debunked his own stuff. And, you know, people have wondered what made him

doing about face. Did someone come and whisper in his ear? Well, one thing that happened is he went to work for Northrop, a major defense contractor. Could his new employer have affected his view about UFOs? I don't know. Second thing is, I think I had heard that his wife had said he moved to California and was in contact with a lot of these, the UFO gurus of the time, the contactee, the giant rock folks who would gather at that place near where you lived, Jeremy and Pioneer Town, that he thought they were crazy. And then he just kind of soured on the whole topic. And that's why he changed his opinion.

He's dead and gone for a long time, so he's not around to ask him anymore. But people should definitely check out that book. It is a classic in the field. Yeah, I'm loving it. So, again, that's, I highly recommended. I've tried to educate myself on what happens in the past. So I've really gotten a history lesson, man. from this book, there's this timeline that I'm starting to see really clearly. I mean,

again, you forget stuff and you remember it when it becomes more important, but in the spirit of war of the worlds with this increased frequency, these swarms of UFOs around our naval warships, around our destroyers, around our aircraft carriers. I mean, man, George, we are getting so many direct reports from people on these ships that are seeing these swarms that, and we're talking so many now. You give me. me a year in the last five, eight years, and bam, it's happening. But reading this book, I realized we're right where we were all the way back when this book was written. This book was actually written in 1952 originally. However, I'm sorry, this book was written in, it was

1956. However, he's talking about cases and things that were happening before that. And we're talking about the atomic era where there are these kind of visual swarms the army seeing. So I want to tell you just a few dates and it really, it really stuck into my mind. So 1945, the atomic blast at Trinity. Now, the UFO thing had already been going on, but that was like a real influx at that moment. Then of course, we know in 1947, that's the Kenneth Arnold citing, which really put the word flying saucer on the map, although the reporters misunderstood.

he said they weren't shaped like saucers, but the way they moved was like skipping a saucer on water. So they, the media said flying saucer. So all of a sudden, that word became like what we know is flying saucers. But then, I mean, Rupelt, he says he claims he'd coined the term UFO because it was better, unidentified flying object. But also in 1947, right after the Kenneth Arnold famous UFO sighting of multiple ship at Mount Rainier, you have that famous twining memo, which is, you know, the Air Force Material Command, sorry, the Air Material Command to Army Air Force. I believe that's based on Wright Patterson, Air Force Base. You've got Nathan Twining, and he's saying, as you've talked about, UFOs are not imaginary

or fictitious. It's a real phenomenon. It's tangible. It's real. You've talked about that a lot. But that memo, we should show that, put that up on the screen to people, at least a part of it. I mean, that was like 1947 as a history lesson. It's like all of a sudden, you got some serious action here. So, boom, from what I understand, 1948, project sign begins. 1949, they call it Project Grudge. And in this book, he's talking about the transition of name was symbolic. Yeah.

Project Grudge, right? Yeah. So the Twining Memo of 47, you and I talked about it and shared that information with Joe Rogan when we were on his podcast recently. That memo is critical. I mean, it's indicative of the paper trail that existed prior to FOIA becoming the law of the land. And we've talked about it a couple of times before. Before FOIA existed, they could converse in memo form and reports back and forth, different military agencies and intelligence entities about UFOs with no fear that they, the public would ever see this paper trail.

So they were candid about it. Now they're a lot more canny. They figured out other ways to hide things. But back then, they were forthright in saying, this is real. It's not imaginary or fictitious. It's real. We don't think it's ours. Project sign, that report that came out, the first big study, concluded,

we think these are probably interplanetary, extraterrestrials. I don't think they use no term E.T., but interplanetary vehicles. And the report got to the desk of Hoyt Vandenberg, chief of the Air Force, and he said, no, I'm not signing that. General Twining, by the way, later became the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's no flunky. He's no fluke. He was a brilliant guy who rose to the top of his profession. He thought it was real. So when Hoyt Vanderberg killed Project Sign, it became Project Grudge. And I think you're right. That name is sort of indicative of the attitude they had. After that, that was the last honest UFO study. They

just, they debunked everything. Yeah, it's incredible. I'm looking through the memo now and it's kind of talking about the characteristics that come with UFOs, you know, circular or elliptical in shape, you know, flat on the bottom, domed on top. I mean, I was told that Project Sign was originally called Project Saucer, really. And then it was called Project Sign. And just let me read that one part to make sure we are real exact. It is the opinion that the phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious. You know, it goes on and on, but that was a real kind of key moment. From there, though, we do know that from Project Signed, it turned to Project Grudge, and that was 1948, Project Signed, Project Grudge, but the 1952 Project Blue Book. And that lasted all

the way till 1969 in the form we knew it. And that was effectively a disinformation campaign. And everybody basically admits that, that the public-facing version, although they were trying to be dismissive and say it was swamp gas and whatever they wanted to say, internally, the scientists, the people within the military, not only were they seeing them, as you often say, UFOs are in movies because you actually see them in person. That's why people are putting them in movies. But the scientific community, they were really somber and honest and true about it, it was only a forward projection to really try to dismiss it. And then a lot of that 1952 Project Blue Book gets initiated. And then, as if a cosmic joke, in 1952, in July, in D.C.,

there were the UFO flyovers, two weekends in a row, as you've talked about. And what I found was really funny, which is that from what I understand, at that time, time that Rupert happened to be in D.C. when that was going on. Oh, yeah. He didn't see it. Yeah. Actually, you know, there were a bunch of the top brass where in D.C. In, I'll tell you what, in Richard Dolan has a really great book, UFOs in a national

security state. He says that Rupelt had a warning that it was going to happen, that there was going to be an overflight, something really dramatic over either New York or Washington. And it turned out to be Washington. And the Air Force brass was there prepared to issue a statement saying, we've explained all this stuff away. There's nothing to it. Move on here, folks, nothing to see.

And these things fly right over them. They tried to explain the first one away as temperature inversions. I mean, people in the ground saw them. The jets were scrambled. They chased them. They were on radar, on both ground-based, on air-based radar. And they tried to explain it as temperature inversion. and just after they finished debunking it one weekend,

it came back as if to rub it in their face. It was hilarious. You know, big shout out to Richard Dolan. People always ask online, are you friends of them? Yeah, we're friends of them. We love the guys. We should have my weaponized sometime. I'm glad you brought up his book.

He's done a lot of this historic kind of digging, so I'm glad you talked about that. So what I've understood from reading the book and also kind of going deeper into our history, War of the Worlds, baby, what I thought I was that President Harry, Truman, that he had his Air Force aid call repelt and asked for an explanation of the sightings and the radar and the unknown radar returns.

So there was interest all the way up to the president in 1952 when this is the closest thing to like landing on the White House lawn that ever happened. And it's just so funny that it happened the year Project Blue Book was initiated. Now, on that, in that time period, just a number of days after that. second wave because every newspaper in the world was reporting on, especially out of D.C. Major General John Samford, I think was his name and the Air Force Director of Intelligence, Roger Ramsey. They held...

Ramey. Raymy. Sorry, Roger Ramey. From Roswell. They held a press conference at the Pentagon. And essentially, the message was nothing to see here move on because UFOs do not pose a national security threat. which was kind of the statement that General Samford, Major General Samford, kind of made,

which is so funny because it's different now. Now the message is, well, this is a national security threat because things are in our airspace flying with impunity. So that's a pretty amazing change of public stance, right? I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers. The Air Force interest in this problem has been due to our feeling of a an obligation to identify and analyze to the best of our ability, anything in the air that may have the possibility of threat or menace to the United States. In pursuit of this obligation since 1947, we have received and analyzed between one and two thousand reports that have come to

us from all kinds of sources. Of this great mass of reports, we have been able to be able adequately to explain the great bulk of them, explain them to our own satisfaction. We've been able to explain them as hoaxes, as erroneously identified friendly aircraft, as meteorological or electronic phenomena, or as light aberrations. However, there have been a certain percentage of this volume of reports that have been made by credible observers of relatively incredible things. It is this group of observations

that we now are attempting to resolve. Our basic difficulty in dealing with these is that there is no measurement of them that makes it possible for us to put them in any pattern that would be profitable for a deliberate, custom sort of analysis to take the next step. We have, as of date, come to only one firm conclusion with respect to this remaining percentage,

and that is that it does not contain any pattern of purpose or of consistency that we can relate to any conceivable threat to the United States. We can say that the recent sightings are in no way connected with any secret development by any agency of the United States. Yeah, I'd say so. A lot of the things are exactly the same. I would say this, if we're doing like a book report, if you don't mind, Jeremy, I'd like to share something.

If people, I mean, you could learn so much by studying the history of this and the battles that have already been fought. So if our listeners and viewers really want to take a deep dive, I'll give two other examples. Is that okay? Yeah, please, this is a book group. Let's do it. It's a book club. This is one.

The UFO club. controversy in America. It's by David Michael Jacobs. David Jacobs is better known now as a guy who writes about alien abductions and the alien agenda, very controversial stuff. He got into a meeting with abductees, and that became the focus of his research. But back when he was a PhD candidate as a student, he wrote this as his thesis, and it became one of the very best UFO books ever. It explains all the politics, the behind-the-scenes maneuvering that was going on between Project Sign and Grudge and Blue Book and what came after. It's a terrific book if you want to know about the early days of the UFO movement in our country.

And about the end of Project Blue Book, the sneaky tricks that were taken on this Condon committee to try to discourage the public from being interested in it, discourage the scientific humidity, the effect of the Condon Committee, which was rigged from the beginning, lasted with us ever since. And then there's this one. This is by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood. The later editions are called the UFO cover-up. It was originally called something else, clear intent.

It was the first UFO book I read back when I started down this road. It is the absolute best look at the paper trail of government documents. It's based entirely on government documents released through FOIA. A lot of them released because of the work of Greenwood and Fawcett and their colleagues. And if you want to see how the cover-up began and how it has been perpetuated, that's a book to read. I love it that I had to like very theatrically get the book from my bedstand and bring it down by the computer because I got one good UFO book. I really want people to read because it's teaching me a lot. And George is literally sitting there unscripted and he can just reach his hand out and grab any book he wants about UFOs in your house.

I've got more. you talk about War of the Worlds This is the Mars attacks There's a whole series of playing cards, trading cards. I didn't know these existed, but I could not live without them Once I found out they were real. You can see the artwork is what inspired Tim Burton In his Mars Attacks movies.

I don't know. I'm not doing a very good job with us. Oh, I'm going to get a photo of that And put that big on the screen. Don't you worry. Okay. All right. Yeah, man, look.

No, I, look, man. This is like, so weaponize is like you and me having our weekly talks about UFOs, and it's so cool to allow that to be public. When we're, we got to look back at the past. That's why I pulled up all of that war of the world stuff. I'm going deep into the past trying to say, hey, how are we looking at this now? How have we gotten to the point where this is a national security threat? There's legislation.

When back in the day, it was all about dismissal, not national security threat. We'll end up playing a clip from Major General John. Samford and you can see how what the tone was man people have to understand how far we have gotten with with transparency on this but we're young with this we've got to keep fighting but man I was just really appreciating everything that happened before to really put into light where we are today yeah well I mean I think back then as now you got people within the military at the upper echelons who wanted to go away they don't want it to be their job to study UFOs they gather this information in the course of their duties because they got plenty of

and radar and other sensor systems, but they don't want to be in charge of that study, and probably there shouldn't be. But that just so happens, they have the best evidence in their hands. And if there is some way it could get into the hands of civilian researchers who get a clearance or something, maybe that's the way to move forward. But I can tell you, we know it for a fact that the people at the highest levels want this to go away. They are opposed to transparency.

They're exerting their influence in Congress right now. the congressman from Wright Patterson Air Force Base is in an incredibly influential position as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He said, no more UFO hearings, make this go away. And his opposition has had a major effect on the legislation that's pending. So talking about the past, let's move into current events. And I think we should talk about what's happened this week. And you and I, we have a friend, his name is Christopher Sharp, Chris Sharp, and he runs a publication called Liberation Times and man, I mean, it's funny, you'll tweet me or you'll text me because I don't directly read tweets, but you'll text me a new article he's done. And man, that Chris Sharp is sharp. And I'd

love to pull him in and he already has to say about this last week and what's been going on in the world of UFOs. Yeah, he is as usual. He's out on the cutting edge of this topic. And Chris, Liberation Times, welcome back to Weaponized. Thank you so much for having me back on Jeremy and George. It's a pleasure to be on two lived legends such as yourself. So, yeah, thank you. Let's jump into this latest story that you wrote. It's getting traction all over the world.

How did you come across it? Tell us what's in it. Yeah, so it's based around the UAP that was spotted on the Gulf of Mexico by a test pilot from the US Air Force, operating out of Eglings Air Force base in Florida. So it was an incident that was brought up in the UAP hearing in a house in July by Representative Matt Gates, representative within Florida, who was alerted to the incident,

but I think it was the pilot himself that alerted Representative Gates to it. And that was something really, really stuck with my mind, because obviously there was a really big argument actually at the base between representatives, Gates, Luna, another Florida representative, who participated in the hearing of July, and Representative Birchette. And it turned out that only representative Gates, being a member of the Armed Services Committee, could actually get access to a confidential briefing on that case. And it stood out to me because it's a case involving the US Air Force,

and it's on the record as well, you know, at that UAP hearing. And we know historically the US Air Force has not engaged in UAP topic and they've not been transparent. And from what my sources have told me that they were not prepared to engage with the UAP task force. They were at first, by the way, they were at first actually going to actually, you know, they were prepared to actually talk to the UAP Task Force about UAP incidents. but then they did a total turnaround and they just went silent. So it's kind of been a mystery in terms of the US Air Force. We know that the Navy's being kind of like more transparent on this.

And yeah, I just thought it was a really, really interesting case to follow up on. So I basically wanted confirmation that something actually did occur over the Gulf of Mexico involving a pilot operating out of England Air Force space. And secondly, I wanted confirmation that if that event did happen, what's happened to it? Did the US Air Force report it? If so, is that being investigated? So I managed to get acknowledgement that Representative Gates did actually receive a private briefing on this incident involving a UAP over the Gulf of Mexico. And secondly, I got confirmation from – this is all from the DOD, by the way.

I got confirmation as well that the Arrow, the All-Domain Anominy Resolution Office, the Pentagon's UFO office, had received a report of a UFO incident by Eglan Air Force Base. Literally, we've got confirmation that the US Air Force has reported a UFO incident to the Pentagon's UFO office. And I think that's quite big, you know. I think that's a really, really important milestone now. Can you just break it down for people that don't know and don't know what you're talking about? I know on Liberation Times you have an article about this, but what happened? What are the facts?

What happened in this UFO case? So from Representative Gates account, what occurred was that a test pilot operating from Eglon Air Force Base was flying over the Gulf Mexico, sees a diamond formation on his radar of unknown objects. goes to check it out to see what's up, and he spots a spherical object over the ocean, over the water, and some accounts, some sources have told me that it appeared that this object was docked with something underneath the water, you know, resembling the TikTok case of 2004. So if that is correct, I think that's very, very interesting. So we know that right now the Arrow is actually analyzing that case,

working from the data it has. And that's really crucial, by the way, like what data is being made available to the Arrow. So, yeah, and it's prioritizing that. And the DOD confirmed that it would look to release a report into that case on its website. And one other big thing I must report in terms of that case, in terms of what came out from Representative Gates,

was that when the pilot approached this object, his or her radar went down, and also the infrared camera went down as well. So the floor system went down as well. So he had to manually take a photograph of this object. So, I mean, if you know your history, that for a reason of other cases where by sensor systems have suddenly malfunctioned,

have all gone down when they're approaching a mysterious object. Yeah, that's like Commander Chad Underwood had active jamming, so he had to go to manual mode and switch through all the options to get as much visual evidence back that he could to the intelligence group. It is something you see all the time, and that's different than passive jamming, which is like interference. This is active jamming, which shows an intelligence, a directed intelligence, and it shows the technology that is actually quite disturbing to our national security.

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U.N. must be 21 to enter. Here's what I'm curious about, the sequence of events. Back in July, Jeremy and I are in D.C. meeting with Congressman Gates and Tim Burchett and Representative Luna, and they had told the committee at that open hearing about this trip they took to Eglin. They thought they were going down there to get a briefing on UAP. Air Force said, no, no, no, we're not here to talk about that. pitched a little fit, and then Gates gets to see something remarkable that he couldn't talk about. I am curious whether Arrow gets a report from the Air Force after that happens. If all this

happened after the members of Congress raised a stink about it, or had the Air Force already made a report to Arrow? Do you know? Do we know? Well, this is why I went out of the case, because we definitely know that something happened, you know. If I had received a response from the DOD, saying that nothing's been reported from Eglon Air Force base, I think that would have been even more of the story, you know, that would have been, that would apply even more pressure onto the Air Force. So I don't know, we can speculate this, but I would speculate that if the US Air Force had not have reported this incident,

then there would have been reasonable causes to actually apply pressure onto, you know, its leaders in terms of actually cooperating with Congress. It would put it in major problems. I think it was left in a situation that it couldn't not actually, you know, it couldn't just stand still the US Air Force. They had to cooperate. They had to engage. They had to send this report. Otherwise, you know, obviously a lot of suspicions would be raised.

So I don't think it was left with an opportunity not to report this case. They had to report it because I got busted by these members of Congress who called them out. Yeah. Correct. Correct. So yeah, it's a really, really interesting case. So, you know, they are prioritising this case, the arrow is. So hopefully we'll hear more about it soon.

And I'd be really interested to see what the analysis shows. I did speak to NORAD about it. Norad stated to me that they've got no reports of unknown tracks, as they call them, over the Gulf of Mexico or by Eglene Air Force Base earlier this year. However, one thing to take into account is that once an object goes over a military range, it then becomes the responsibility of that military range to kind of like take action or not take action. So it's kind of like a passing of the baton that happens when Norah is tracking an object that goes to that kind of barrier. They'll still cooperate with that military range, you know, and whoever controls that,

but ultimately is up to that military range to kind of like take the decision. Do we allow an unknown object to kind of like hover over our skies and over our territory within our restricted ranges, or do we not? And it just seems really, really funny to me that, you know, for years now, it seems as though that, you know, the Air Force, the Army, the Marines, the Navy have just been happy to allow these unknown objects to hover over their their ranges and not take action. Look, we don't know, you know, UAP, you know, the U means unidentified. So we don't know whether these are Chinese, Russian, or something of unknown

origin, which could be non-Prazoic. I think it's really, really important to characterize these, you know. If I'm, if I, if I'm a, you know, a Chinese spy operative, you know, I'm thinking excellent, I'm going to go here because I know that they're not going to take action, you know, And that might be for a good reason, you know, because the US Air Force may not want to take, they don't want to take the risk, perhaps, to go after some of these objects, because doing so may affect morale, let's say, because, you know, if the world's biggest superpower, which you guys are in the US, you know, don't have control of your own skies, don't have dominance over your own skies, it's a pretty sobering,

sobering kind of like thing to to contemplate, isn't it really? And I think it would affect morale of, you know, pilots and whatnot if that was widely known. And yeah, so it's a big thing to deal with. Yeah, I think that's a good segue into another topic I wanted to talk with you about. Look, your reporting is fantastic. I recommend everybody goes to Liberation Times, reads through your previous articles and the new one. But in current events, in the spirit of current events, you know, something happened this week, which was pretty interesting. Customs and Border Patrol released UAP footage. I mean, kind of seemingly out of the blue.

So for people that don't know, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, it's a federal agency to protect our borders. And, you know, real quietly, there was these 10, actually 12 UAP videos that were just dropped, accompanied with a 389 page report that was partially redacted and written a little while ago. But it was just a really interesting. drop from a federal agency. There was some pretty good reporting on it. I know Goddiet NBC had Christopher Mellon on and they talked about it. You can go watch that video. We can play some of it in here, but everybody should check that out. But I'm just curious, you guys, that was a, oh, and also Matthew,

a senior science reporter from Daily Mail did an excellent article on this drop. But I was just wondering what you guys thought about this. You know, here we have a federal agency. Obviously, there's people on the inside that are like, let's get some of these videos out. I mean, some of them already were out, like the Aguadilla, Puerto Rico video. Look, the quality of the video, this or that, that's not what I'm asking. What do you think about a federal agency just dropping all this info and walking? Well, you got to figure, as you said, there are people in those agencies, agencies other than Arrow and other than the U.S. Air Force, who probably would like some answers. And they'd like this to be discussed out in the open. And they're willing to take a chance

and release stuff and hope that the gods of retribution, though, come down on them too hard. But that's an amazing release. I'm encouraged by it. I hope that other agencies that have sensor abilities and cameras and planes and things of that sort who might be able to collect this stuff will follow that example. It's interesting how some of it had been leaked prior to journalists and the public. And now we're seeing it kind of, you know, the retroout. like, here we go, we're going to put this out now.

I am encouraged by it. I think it's great. I think context is king right now because there's a lot of confusion in UFO land. So I think it would be nice if there was some context. But look, I'm not going to say it's a bad thing. Stuff was released. It was great. And I hope there are more official releases, but I certainly know there's going to be more unofficial releases.

But what did you think, Chris? We're all about transparency. That's the word, right? That's what Arrow says. That's what everybody talks about, the Pentagon, Susan Goff. We're all about transparency. So I would think they're encouraged by this coming forward, and they want more of it. Is that sarcasm, George?

Yes. Yes, that is. Okay, just making sure our listeners understand. But Chris, what did you think seeing that kind of just drop of a bunch of videos from one of our agencies? Yeah, so I'd spoken to someone previously who worked with one of those agencies within that agency, sorry. And, I mean, he was just explaining to me is that a lot of agents are kind of like patrolling and stuff border in other areas within the US

and they see lots of weird things in the sky a lot of the time and these things just aren't being documented, basically. And, I mean, there is concern that there could be potential of spying from other nations. It could be something to do with drug smuggling, perhaps, but simply because these things are just seen as too strange, they're just not being looked at and they're not being, they're not being analyzed like they should in terms of these events to see what kind of

like risk they do pose. So I think, you know, this individual I spoke with, you know, was calling on leaders within that agency to kind of take action and kind of like look into this more. I don't think it was being taken very, very seriously at the time. But I think now it may be looked at different. with the increased scrutiny in terms of UAP across various agencies and offices within the US government. So I think this is definitely a good sign

that perhaps these are being taken a little bit more seriously. What I would also say as well is that, you know, if agencies are coming under increased scrutiny in terms of UAPs being documented, also, you know, if I'm in charge of an agency, I'm going to be calling for more funding as well. if they're going to ask me to kind of, you know, looking to UAPs and document cases and stuff, you're going to need extra resources to do that.

So there's an element of that perhaps involved as well. So it'll be interesting, though. It'll be very, very interesting. Again, it's just kind of like this fundamental thing, you know, do, you know, does the world's biggest superpower know what's occurring in its own skies? It's a pretty big question. another big thing that kind of occurred this week last week's episode of weaponized george and i kind of ended on this point of hey there's there's a call to action and you know i might not be a

political advocate but i know i can pick up a phone and call somebody so a lot has happened this week it was really exciting there were there's already these advocacy groups that i mentioned on the last weaponized but everybody started making calls and saying i've talked to this person i've talked to that person you know, I'm really happy to report that, you know, with the people that I have within all of these different areas, we are, and I quote, moving the needle. This week was huge. People's voices were heard. So what we're talking about is the new UAP legislation. This is something that we covered on the last show. We covered when we were on the Joe Rogan podcast. We even covered this a long time right when it first came out. But the whole point of it is that this is a huge opportunity that

we have for transparency, unlike anything we've had before. This is our legislative representatives really fighting to try to uncover what's been going on with the reverse engineering and exploitation and even the bodies, the biologicals of what they call non-human intelligence. So to remind everybody, there's this bill that's being conferenced right now and it's being conferenced within the House. Senate has already agreed. And basically last week we're like, hey, everybody call up, use these advocacy websites, make some noise, because this is a chance for us to move the needle. Well, it did.

We have been heard, but be relentless. We still have time. Maybe this whole next week, we have time to, like, make noise and let people know that we care about the UFO bill, that we care that it's put into the National Defense Authorization Act, the Intelligence Authorization Act, that we can get to brass tax on what's been going on

with private industry as well, sequestering this technology maybe for personal profit rather than for the good of humankind. That's really what's at stake. With that premise said, I just wanted everybody to know directly that you've had impact, don't stop. You got one week, this week left to make your voice heard. And all of that is online like how you just make a phone call. With that said, Chris, what have you heard about the legislation? What have you heard about about, you know, word on the wash, everybody talking about it. Have people been making noise, Chris? Yes, yes.

It's certainly made an impact. And, you know, I want to thank, you know, people like yourself, Ronak, Lester, Sean. I mean, there are so many names that I've probably forgotten as well. There's so many good people within the community that have done great work and worked very, very hard in actually ensuring that action can be taken. And they've provided some excellent platforms to do so as well. So thank you everyone for being involved in this and kind of like really pushing this forward. Yeah, so it has made a difference.

Look, this is conference that we're getting into now. So it's kind of like a negotiation. So as we know, the Senate has UAP language, very big UAP language within its version of the Interigence Authorization Act, which is going to be swore by the National Defense Organization Act, so they'll put two and two together, basically. However, we know that the House had zero UAP language in its version of the Interigence Authorization Act.

So it's kind of like you've got like a really strange scenario here where it seems that the House doesn't want anything in terms of the House Interigence Committee. And the Senate Interigence Committee is just on a totally different path in where it comes to this. It wants to really escalate things, you know. So what we're looking to do is we're looking to get as much of that language past as possible.

Look, it is a negotiation. There's lots of competing interests in here. I think as you know, you two certainly know, there's certainly a revolving door in terms of government and contractors. You know, you've only got to look at the Secretary of Defense, you know, former Raytheon, you know, to see that this is kind of like a big deal because a lot of these government officials certainly have worked for contractors as well. and I think also you can look at it in terms of representatives as well you look at a lot of representatives in Congress a lot of them have been financed let's say by the likes of Lockheed Martin and Norfolk Grumman and whatnot so there are a major interest to play and look if the contractors do want to have

their voices heard they can certainly call up a few favors let's say so I think there's a lot going on here. I mean, obviously, as you would have seen, there's a lot around this language or eminent domain at the moment in terms of the US government being able to take kind of like possession of some of these craft and beings of unknown or non-human

origin. So I think that's pretty thrown, I think that's thrown up a hurdle. I think when the initial language came through within the intelligence authorization, that basically providing amnesty for a lot of these contractors, let's

that was something that they really liked because it provided them a way out. It provided them a way out in terms of this because there are lots of legalities involved here. However, I think when the Schumer Amendment came up, it was like, okay, you're going to get amnesty, but also we're going to get to take possession of some of these crafts. I think that's probably, I think that's probably thrown up a problem.

But look, there's a lot of competing interests at play here. I mean, in terms of Congress, they want democratic oversight. You know, this is how government, in terms of the U.S. is supposed to function, democratic oversight. If you don't have oversight, you don't have a democracy. So this is really, really fundamental and big in terms of your nation and how it operates, you know. So that's in terms of Congress.

So that's kind of part of its agenda. In terms of, you know, the White House, let's say, getting hold of these programs. I mean, it'll be a really, really big win in terms of, like, you'll get to have, like, another kind of like Apollo mission, you know, when Apollo took off and you had like a decade of progression in terms of getting to the moon. And all these other technologies came out of it, you know, through this big effort. Same with the Manhattan Projects as well. So I think they see a potential in terms of this in terms of getting lots of technology out and basically cementing the U.S. is the dominant global superpower in terms of technology and science. So that's kind of what's at play for the White House here. But in terms of the contractors,

and also, I guess this verges on kind of like the U.S. government's agenda as well, is that there may be completing programs from other nations. So you might have a Chinese UAP program, you might have a Russian UAP program, and other nations involved. And they might be making a lot of progress because a lot of these other nations, let's just say they're very much authoritarian. and they can keep a secret better than the US in many instances and they can have a bigger effort in terms of this

whereby a lot of the contractors, from my understanding in the US, look, they can have all... Lockheed Martin, for instance, could throw billions in it. It can throw all the money in Canada, you know, but unless they can get the human resources, the human resources onto these programs, they can't make very much progress. So it's in the interest of Lockheed Martin,

Norfolk Grumman, Raytheon, B.A.E. systems, whoever else may possess these programs, to actually bring out these programs into the public and make a deal whereby they can get more staff, you know, working on this. They want the best engineers on this. They want the best scientists on this. Currently, that's restricted. If you've ever smoked a marijuana joint in your life, basically, like when you were 17 years old, you know, and you're the best engineer in the country now, there ain't a chance you're getting onto this program because of that, you know. So it's so restrictive. that it's counterproductive, basically.

So you're talking about a workforce that's aging in terms of these, a lot of these pro, sorry. Okay, hold on, you got to introduce him. I'm fine, it happened. So this is, Lincoln. So this is Lincoln's adorable. So you're talking about an instance where by, they're not getting the proper staff involved with these programs.

And I mean, I mean, that's a really, really big deal because China and other countries may be making a lot of progress in some of these programs, whereby the US isn't, because it's handicapping itself from the lack of access from the best in the world, basically, in terms of engineers and scientists. And that's also where it verges into government interest as well. Because if you do have a UAP program in China, for instance, that is making more progress, because they are actually able to get the best engineers and scientists in this, that's a major threat for the US, you know, look, it's come to my attention that a lot of these OPs are able to actually, they're able to identify US nuclear assets under the oceans. And, you know, let's say that China manages that capability.

Then all of a sudden, you're talking about the US nuclear deterrent, kind of like being neutralised to some extent. So there's so much at play here in terms of, you know, the executive branch, you know, the Congress and contractors. And I just wonder, you know, are they talking to each other? Do we need to get them in a room together, you know, in terms of representatives from the contractors from the White House, National Security Council, and, you know, the gang of eight, do we need to get them in the room together just to say, look, these are, you know, these are, This is what we're going to do because everything's at stake. And just one more thing to add, sorry, as well, because this is so important here.

Look at the wider context here. So next year, for instance, in your country, you know, you can see potentially another Trump presidency. And what happens if that happens, you know? From my understanding, Trump has been briefed on the UAPE issue. He is aware that some of these programs may exist as well. John Ratcliffe has basically said that we're trying to get UAP information out before Trump's presidency ended. And, look, whether you like Trump or not, we can all agree that he's a very, very different politician. And he will blow caution to the wind if needed.

So I think everyone needs to think about this. If we can get this National Defense Organization at past and get confirmation that there is a, UAP program. I think that works in everyone's interest if we can get it done next year. If it comes to a Trump presidency, who knows what happens? You know, there's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of risk that comes into it now if Trump's president. So I think people really do need to take that into account as well. So, yeah, sorry, I went on a tangent there, but those are my thoughts when it comes to this.

Hey, can I ask something that's out of the blue if we have to edit this out because it's out of left field, so be it. But I want to ask you, Chris, if you've, and Jeremy, you can jump in this too, but about Peru. So we got these reports several weeks ago about some strange things that Peruvian natives were seeing objects in the sky, supposedly shooting rays and there were injuries caused. And then a week or two later, we hear this explanation that it's really illegal miners in Peru and they've been using jet packs to fly around. I don't know what's crazier. Aliens are illegal miners with jet packs. Chris, have you done any inquiries about that to try to get a handle on it?

We don't really have any sources that could fill us in, but I'm just curious whether you know anything. Transport your senses with Saltis Janado's limited edition perfume mist collection. At Sephora, sprit on lush notes of rainforest orchid and crisp sea breeze with he fresco paraizzo. Embrace of floral and fruity scent inspired by Rio's nude beach with cheeky bikini or caps your sun-kissed bliss with limonada gelada, where zesty Brazilian lemonade accord meets coconut milk and golden brown sugar.

Don't miss Sol de Janeiro's limited edition perfume mist collection only at Sephora. Yeah, I need to look into that more. One thing I caution about South America is it's a very, very superstitious place. And also, like, there's financial incentives at play as well with this. you know, like you're looking for, let's say you're looking for a Virginia video showing a being, for instance, you know, and now all of a sudden, because you're looking for that video and you're willing to pay a reward for that video, all of a sudden, you know, you've got all these gangs and stuff making videos saying, here it is, where's my reward, you know?

There's a lot of things you have to take into account with this. And it's just a different culture for me, that's something I'm familiar with. and it's difficult to navigate around these kind of cases, especially when you're talking about remote places as well. I think what you really do need is you need a seasoned investigator on the ground with some sensor systems to see what's actually really going on. I don't know if it's something that's still taking place or not, but if it is, you can get some really good data perhaps in terms of uncovering what this is.

Okay. Right. Yeah. I mean, George and I've run into this a lot. It's a quagmire. You can't do everything on your own. You have to rely on people on the ground, people that you trust. And look, it's a big world.

And as we know, UFO activity is ubiquitous across the globe. It's everywhere all the time throughout history. So we run into that problem. Well, listen, I do want to go over with George. I want to go over some things with you about one thing that people have been taking issue with publicly, which is the eminent or eminent domain aspect. of the legislation, but I think you and I can do that now, but Chris, I just wanted to thank you so much for your time. And for people that were just listening on audio, what happened was one

of your adorable children, Lincoln walked in the room and you kind of made a cameo, which he does sometimes. I haven't seen it on the news yet, but I've seen it on podcast. So anyway, hope you doing good, Chris. Thank you so much for the journalism that you do and the good work you do. And thanks for joining us late night for you on this new weaponized. And I'm going to look out for your work. Liberation Times, folks. Check it out. Thanks, Chris. Thank you so much, both. I need to set a new bedtime for my son, I think.

Look, I always learned so much from Chris. He's a great reporter out of the UK, but he's got his finger on the polls, not only with our systems of government, what's going on with UAP, but just around the world and also on social media. So something that I've been seeing that Chris kind of touched upon there is this section in the legislation, George. And it's this section that you and I kind of highlighted on the Rogan podcast and I even said in that pockets, I don't know about that part. It's the eminent domain part.

And it's very short in this UFO or UAP legislation, but I want to read it to you. I have some thoughts, but I'd love to hear what you think. So in the bill, there's this section that they're also additionally trying to pass, which is section 910, and its disclosure of recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence. And it's exercise of eminent domain. The federal government shall exercise eminent domain over and

all recovered technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence of non-human intelligence that may be controlled by private persons or entities in the interests of public good. And I'm just curious

because a lot of people are like, wait a second, does that mean the government could come and just like swoop in on Lockheed and take all the hardware back that maybe they gave them in the first place. What does it mean for people that have materials that they might have picked up from crash retrieval sites? Do you have any idea of why that's in there or what you think about that? Yeah, I mean, it is to give our government legal authority to go out and grab the goodies. That's what it's meant to do.

Now, eminent domain in our country, I've done a lot of stories about it. Local governments use it, state governments use it. They use it if they have to to get property to build like a road or a school. supposedly something in the public good. That's when you use it. Americans don't like a government to use eminent domain in general because often it has been misused. You know, insiders have used it to make a lot of money. The governments sometimes don't fairly compensate the people whose property they take under the guise of eminent domain. In this case, I think the intention is we know you've got this stuff and we're coming after it. You can either give it up or

We're going to come and get it. My care question would be, does that apply to somebody like, say, I don't know, Bob Lazar? Let's say he had a couple of pieces of something that doesn't exist, some unobtainium. I don't know. Give it a number if you want. Is he required to give it up? And does he face criminal penalties if he doesn't? What about Jacques Valet, Dr. Gary Nolan, who've been doing some analysis on some strange materials that they've picked up, allegedly, at crash sites?

do they have to turn that over or face criminal penalties? I think that the intent of the legislation is to go after the stuff in the hands of the big aerospace companies, but it is so broadly worded, it sure sounds like it applies to private persons, private citizens, like valet, like Nolan, like Lazare, and, you know, I'm not sure that people are going to want to comply with that. Right. And so as this legislation is kind of being, you know, they say conference, negotiated, this sort of thing. I do have direct knowledge from people that are part of that process that this is the most controversial aspect of the UAP legislation inside of Congress. It's been clearly conveyed to me that the narrative is true.

The government has been giving companies materials related and associated with UAP for 70 plus years. And the idea behind this, the imminent domain provisions that would allow, for government like a sense of flexibility to get those materials back if it you know is helpful for broader scientific analysis that's the way it was described to me so of course there's this pushback like what government can just come and swoop stuff up but if in the spirit of it it's for broader scientific analysis that does make sense rather than having something i don't know locked up in lockheed that they were given a long time ago and at the expense of humanity being able to like broadly study this, this provision would help facilitate and adjust that. That is what's said to me

from those that are actually making these decisions, but at the same time, it is very controversial, and it will need, and admittedly, people are telling me that it will require additional updates and massaging, but, you know, they're going for the gold, they're going through on a hard punch to pry these programs, these materials, these craft, maybe biological, of non-human intelligence out of the hands of these private industries and say, look, we need a broader scope study of this, which is something Bob Lazard talked about, crime against the scientific community. The fact that this information couldn't be seen by the brightest and the best minds because of the way classification has been and sadly continues to be in a lot of ways which we should talk about. So that's what I hear, George. That's kind of the word on, you know, the secret wash. I'm there with you as well. I mean, I know it is a controversial part of this legislation.

my personal opinion is it is absolutely necessary to get the job done. Because as we've talked before, let's say you're a Lockheed or Northrop and you've got these things, these machines, this technology, you haven't quite figured it out yet. But you know that if you do, it would be worth billions, hundreds of billions, maybe trillions of dollars could change the energy economy, transportation economy. That technology, if you ever figure it out, could change the world and could be worth untold dollars, just as a pure dollars and cents matter, you're not going to give that up. They're not going to give that stuff up.

It'll never happen. The only way to get it is to force them to release it, to have a carrot and a stick, as we've talked about before. So I know eminent domain will be controversial. It's a tough hill to get over, but it's absolutely necessary to get this stuff out in the open because they will never give it up voluntarily, never. Yeah, I appreciate the way you just kind of framed that because I, I didn't expect that answer from you.

I've heard it a few times now that it's sinking in. I think you're right. I think it is necessary. And look, even within that legislation, you also do have, you know, the carrot, as you say, carrot and stick. Like, if you say this is what we're working on, this NHI, non-human intelligence technology, then, you know, we're not going to turn off your funding if you're getting it from us. You know, that, so I do think there's a lot to go with here, but it's got to pass in the first place.

It's got to start being law and legislation. With that said, I did want to bring something up with you, which is what I'm hearing and another thing that's just, you know, kind of all over social media. And people are right. Then I'm hearing this within government, but also people on social media picking it up, which is that one of the biggest hindrances we're having here towards transparency is actually the new UAP classification guideline system. And that's surprising to me because we know some of the authors of that. And some of the authors, I was under the impression that there was this real sense that you want transparency. And I did some digging. And I found out that actually, no, this is a legacy set by people we know, which makes it harder to get videos out to the public.

And I want to hit that right on the head because it really surprised me. So what do you think about that? That's being talked about right now, which is that this new UFO classification guideline system is really making it harder to unclassify UFO videos. I have not heard that, but I've been on the road quite a bit, so you'll have to fill me in on the details of what the classification says and exactly why it makes it harder. I am not surprised in the least, though, because we know that people are putting roadblocks in the way of transparency every chance they get. So this is not surprising, but it's got to be a way it can be fixed. So have you talked to individuals who have tried to come forward with something through the process and have been blocked? No, I have talked with individuals who are looking at the big picture of how we can minimize the classification of things to get videos out.

And sadly, it's not available for us to read the public, Georgia. It's in classified documents that says this is what's appropriate or not appropriate to bring forward. So I have heard people that have read it and been like, we're unable to do what we could have done the years prior. Now, I do, if I really think about it generously, here's what I'm. I think why that that happened. You know, I know that some people say there's a need for greater transparency. People you and I know, people that helped author that stuff, maybe. There's a greater need for transparency on the general phenomenon within government.

And that they saw that as a danger, the UAP issue as a danger toward, you know, of strategic surprise within government. And that they've never really been advocates for a greater public disclosure at that time or now. So I rationalize it like that. There was this real push within government to get people talking. That's why products were made like your friend Jay Stratton made that great product. It was shared within the intelligence communities to educate people. So I kind of think maybe I misunderstood. This is maybe not about public transparency, but it is about the good move of integrating our armed services to knowledge of the UAP phenomenon. Does that gel with what you think it might have been? Yes. I don't just without name and names, I can tell you that people that you and I know and have conferred with for a long time who are definitely on the inside of this, who've been approached about possibly appearing before Congress, either in an open hearing or even behind closed doors, have said no. And the reason as explained to me is telling Congress is the same as telling

red China, is that if you spill it to Congress, it gets out eventually, and you're telling the Chinese, where we are on this technology, what we know about these phenomena. That's as simple as it gets. That's real. Yeah, and I think in that sense, I really do understand, or I'm coming to a new understanding of what transparency means compared to being prepared as a nation for the UAP reality. Well, listen, man, I want to thank you so much. That was, again, a really fun episode. We kind of focused at the beginning of alien invasions and war of the worlds. And I don't really know what the big picture is here, but I know that we are not going to progress with our understanding

unless consensus reality matches up with actual reality when it comes to the mystery of UAP. So let's keep cracking at it, George, and I'll see you on the next weaponized, man. I've got to tell you, I've been reading on X, formerly Twitter, and Facebook and other social media platforms over the past week, since your very vocal plea for action on the part of the public and our listeners and viewers, boy, people responded, seeing all the responses, they're posting the letters they got from their members of Congress.

Some of them are really encouraging answers, too, that members of Congress put some thought into it. Others just sort of get blown off, but the public has reacted. The UFO public is up in arms and it's taken action, and man, I'm so encouraged. I hope they stick with it. That's so cool. And just a shout out at the end here so people remember, we still got a week where we need to fight for this.

You go to uapcocus.com, you go to witnesscitizen.com, you go to disclosurediaries.com, and you go to declassifyuap.org. And everybody can make their voice heard this week. So thanks for saying that, George. And I'll see you next time, man. Never has so few

had so much to tell but could say so little. Following this to weaponized The presentation of Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, Dark Course Entertainment, and Cadence 13 Studios. Available now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your shows.