WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - All Roads Lead to UFOs

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

In this first episode, Corbell and Knapp set the stage for what to expect this year from their investigative journalism. They will poke the bear - and break some news - as they discuss the winding road that has brought us all here: to a new consensus reality that includes the acknowledgment of the UFO presence engaging humanity. A reality where the UFO puzzle is being explored openly by our military and forward looking scientists alike. Your curiosity will be WEAPONIZED! Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And this is weaponized. George, good to see it. And you, Jeremy. This is unexpected. Well, you know, we've been asked to do a lot of podcasts over the years as guests. We've been asked to host them as well. And finally, we decided the time is right and go ahead and do it. And it's called weaponized.

Why did you come up with that name? Why did you come up with that name? Come on, man. It's a horrible name. I mean, you have used that word, that term before. And it works. I mean, it's a good, grabby word, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, everybody hates it when I say it, but it was born from, I said in some interview, my curiosity has been weaponized, and that just stuck with me.

People were haunting me with it. So I embraced it. But I think the point for you and me both is there are things that just keep us up at night, things that we can't put down, like for 35 years studying UFOs, 40 years, whatever you've been doing. So for me, the title weaponized is that there are these things that we can't put down to keep us up at night. And on the show, we're going to cover all the things that do that to us, that excite us. That was my thinking. Yeah. And, you know, we are identified on purpose with the UFO subject. And we certainly are going to be talking about UFOs and all of its various ramifications. But that's not all that we're going to cover in this program. Right, right. And I want to start there a little bit for people that

don't know you, you know, I mean, the big question, like, who is George Knapp? How do we I'm sitting here in the seat. So I know George Knapp as investigative reporter out of Las Vegas, Nevada. That was my introduction to looking for you. It was through UFOs trying to find you. So can you give us a few kind of key points of people that don't know you? I am based in Las Vegas. I started in 1981 at KLSTV as a general assignment reporter. I then became an anchor, commentator in the mid-90s that the station created the I team, the investigative unit. And since 1995, I've been the chief investigative reporter. And in those years, you know, Las Vegas is the best news town in America. And I've covered everything. I've covered the

mob, organized crime, the exorcism of all the mobsters, political scandals, corruption, government officials, celebrities, murders, bikers, fires, every kind of story you can imagine in this great news town. But since 1987, I've been known as the UFO reporter. And, you know, it comes with the territory it's my own fault for that no matter what other story I've done and what other awards I've won and I've won a lot of them national awards P-bodies DuPont Edward R. Murrow 28 regional Emmys a bunch of other stuff but no matter what story I do no matter how big it is I'm the UFO guy and it's my own fault because in 1987 a guy named John Lear walked into the TV station and he had a stack of documents

turned out to be UFO documents and he dropped him on the desk of my managing editor, my good buddy, my running partner, Ned Day, who was the principal muckraker, investigative reporter of his era. Ned worked with my news director at the time, Robert Stodall, the most important newsman and probably the modern history of journalism in Nevada. Those guys had a long-standing interest in a place called Area 51. And they had tried to get me interested in it as well. In the mid-1980s, the U.S. Air Force illegally seized 89,000 acres of land around Area 51. One day it's public land and anybody drive up there.

The next day, you'd run into armed guards. It's off limits. Only months later, did they ask for permission? So we all had an idea. Something really interesting was going on in the desert out there. And Lear had helped Bob and Ned break a really big story about the existence of a plane that was invisible to radar. Seems preposterous at the time.

But Lear had given information to Ned and Bob. They broke the story before any of the national news organizations did. So Lear had a certain credibility with those guys. His father, of course, Bill Lear, had developed the 8-track tape and the Lear jet. John had run for public office. He had flown for the seat. CIA, it was a really interesting guy, comes in the station with a stack of documents, tells Ned, this is an even bigger story than the stealth fighter, Ned. This is going to make your career. It's about the UFO cover-up, biggest story in history. Here's the documentation to prove it. Ned pauls through the documents, takes a look at a couple of the pages, and then pushes it back

at Lear and says, look, I'm not touching this. If this was true, I'd already know about it. Kind of cocky like Nick was in those days. So Lear kind of dejectedly grabs up his pile. He's walking out of the newsroom. I had been eavesdropping, which I tend to do. And I said, hey, let me take a look at that. So he left the pile with me. I read through it. These are documents obtained through FOIA. You know, prior to the existence of FOIA created in the 1970s, if you asked the FBI or CIA or Pentagon, have you got any documents about UFOs? They'd say, no, and we're not going to give them to you. And they deny it.

After FOIA becomes the law of land, thousands of pages of documentation were forced out of the government and into the hands of UFO investigators and researchers. So that's the primary composition of that pile. I thought, well, this is really interesting because, you know, we all have the same kind of level of interest in UFOs. I wonder if that's true, but never really dug into it. Right. But you were not a UFO guy before that. You hadn't spent a lot of time when you were young thinking about this.

You're just at this point a news reporter and a new news reporter and you're just eavesdropping on your boss and you hear this and it excites it. So there had been some stories in my family that I'll tell someday, which is not today. So I had an interest in it, but I had no UFO books. I think I'm out on one that had been given to me as present had not done a research. But I started looking at these, I thought, this is really interesting because the story at the time, as told by our government, is there's nothing to it. We've investigating it. It's all been explained, Project Blue Book, go on your way, don't worry about this at all. These documents showed that was a much different picture behind the scenes, that, in fact, military officials were very concerned about this, that recognize it's a legitimate issue, that these

are not ours. They're not Russians. They're from somewhere else. They might be extraterrestrial. I thought, great. Maybe I'll just dig into this. And at the time, I produced a little on the, a program called On the Record, a half hour public affairs show. Typically, I would interview a county commissioner or a city commissioner, something like that. It aired at six o'clock in the morning on a Saturday or Sunday, very limited audience. I thought, what the heck, I'll put Lear on the show, see what he does. And I put him on and just wound him up and let him go. And holy cow, I was blown away. I mean, that's a pretty famous clip now. You got out of nowhere, you got this guy coming at you, you know, telling you all this

shit about UFOs. And I just remember looking at your face in these original interviews. And it was almost like disdain. You're like, you couldn't believe what he was saying. You were almost like angry about some of what he said because it was so outrageous. But apparently you changed your attitude later on. So what happened after that interview? Well, you know, he unleashes this barrage, this incredibly elaborate conspiracy theory.

the Lear White Paper that is now known in UFO circles about we've got a secret treaty with aliens and we allow them to abduct people and in exchange for technology and all kinds of cover-up stuff and assassinations. And I was blown away. I thought, well, did I make a mistake in doing this? But he gets off the show. Thanks, John. That was really interesting. And my phone starts ringing. And people start inquiring, what was that about? Who was that guy? Is this real? And it kept ringing. And I realized, you know, at the time, well, this is of interest to the public here. So I had him on again. I started reading a little bit more about it.

I went up to see Lear. He gave me a bunch of more documents from his files. And I had him on again some months later. So you realized the public was interested in this. You had never had a response like that. I had no idea. And then the second time I had him on, the response was even bigger. That's when it really set in that this topic touches the pulse of the public in a way that I did not understand.

people or appreciate. Had him on a third time with a guy named Bill Cooper. And we'll talk about that at some point on the weaponized. Why did it grasp the public imagination at that time do you think so severely that Lear was saying all this stuff about UFOs? Why do you think the public was going crazy for it? You know, I didn't understand it at the time. I understand a lot more now is that this is a fundamental question of whether we are alone in the universe. And the public really is it is also motivated by the idea that they've been lied to. I know that that is what is what motivated me in the beginning. The idea that these documents show that the government and the military in particular have a much different opinion about UFOs behind the scenes than the one that

they've been sharing with the public. And it pissed me off that they've been lying to us. These were official documents. Yeah, these are FOIA documents. So you got really bit by this when you're seeing the dichotomy between these official documents from our government talking about UFOs and how they told you they were nonsense and you're like, fuck this. Yeah. So I had them on a third time. the response was big again. I thought, you know, and in that third show, Lear hints about something that's out there in the Nevada desert, reverse engineering of flying saucers, alien craft that are being taking apart to figure out how they work. And I thought that's a pretty outrageous claim, but in light of the things that he had told us before that turned out to be true, maybe we should look at it.

And he hinted that he knew a guy who'd been hired to work at a place near Area 51. I didn't know who this guy was. six months go by. I'm anchoring the five o'clock news, and we have a five-minute live interview segment every day on the news. It was, you know, newsmakers, celebrities. Our guest of that day canceled at the last minute, maybe an hour and a half before the show. I called up Lear. I thought, hey, you know, you told me about your UFO guy who's going to go to work out of this base. Do you think he might talk to me? I had no idea who Bob Lazar was. I had no idea what had been going on in his life. But what had been happening was, it had unfolded, it was a very dramatic personal odyssey for him. And he was afraid, at the time, he was going to be killed because he'd been out there and had seen this amazing technology.

Would your guy come on the show? And boom, it was not 30 minutes later, Lazar, I didn't know his name at the time, was on his way to Lear's house. We set a live unit up there, set up an interview. And at five o'clock, we let it spill out into people's living rooms via television. He told this amazing story. I had no idea what he was going to say. But he tells this story that there was a secret program that he worked for the U.S. Navy, that the base was a place called S4, adjacent to Papu's Dry Lake, South the Burya of 51,

or south of the Groom Lake, rather, and that built into the side of the mountain were these hangars, and that inside the hangars were nine flying saucers, flying discs, as if we had the variety of pack, and that we were taking apart to figure out how they work. This is alien technology. It's not American technology. And wow, just blew everyone away. And I think you treated it from seeing those historic interviews because that is how I got interested in this subject was, you know, we'll talk about that in a little bit, but just

hearing you and Lazar and the broadcast. But what I noticed and I still notice now, I look back, you treated it like news. You didn't like everybody else just say, oh, this is bullshit. I'm going to make some joke. You said, okay, thank you for being here. Thanks for reporting in. He was in silhouette. But the way you treated it made us think, wait a second, let's look at this guy.

Now, you didn't believe Lazar right off the bat. No, no, no, no. I thought it was outrageous. But I thought, you know, Lear has ledness down this road and some of what he's told us has turned out to be true. And this guy, Lazar, whoever he was, sounded pretty credible. We asked him some pointed questions about his background and who he worked for and how operated and how they're able to keep this a secret.

And he had good answers. And it didn't seem like he was making it up. So we get off the set. The news director pulls me in. The general manager comes rolling in and go, what the hell was that? Is that real? Is he telling the truth? I said, I have no idea, but I'm going to find out.

That weekend, Bob Stodall and I go up to Lear's house. He said, I want to meet this guy. And we go to Lear's house, and there was some back and forth gamesmanship that was played, but eventually he get to meet Lazar. We put him through his paces, ask him questions for three, four hours, and he had good answers. about his background, about what he did out there, about the technology. Stodall and I leave that meeting looking at each other going,

holy crap, I mean, what if this is real? This would be the biggest story in history, and it's right here in our backyard. We got to look into it. Stodall says, you know, maybe we could do a multi-part series like five minutes a night. That's only funny because we end up doing a nine-part series, 13, 14 minutes apiece, the longest stories I ever produced for television. And so I started. And I started.

In the next seven and a half, eight months, I dug full time into UFOs. And I thought to tell the story of Bob Lazar had to understand the bigger picture, the history of UFOs, separate wheat from chap. Who's credible? Who is it? What lies, is the military told? What is the paper trail? That is really what hooked me is the paper trail, the documents that we've just been talking about that indicate they know a lot more than what they've told us. And you thought you're going to crack the story.

Yeah, I was cocky at the time. story. You're going to crack it. I'm reading. I read everything about UFOs. I read everything I could get my hands on and I realized this field is a mess. This topic is an absolute disaster because there's so many hucksters and fraudsters and people making stuff up and you can't tell who's a uphologist from a pseudo-eophologist and who's real and who isn't. There's a lot of nonsense in there. Give me six months and I'll have this figured out. Well, you know, it's 33 years later and I haven't figured it out yet, but I've at least figured out some of it. So from that day on, you know, I dug into UFOs and have never stopped.

And we produced a nine-part series in November of that year in 1989. And it was the biggest, highest-rated series that's ever been produced for local news in Las Vegas. It pirated copies went all over the world. I did a follow-up series six months later, had an even bigger reaction, or at least an equal reaction. And it was off the races from there. And luckily at that time, just my luck, Mufon had its international symposium in Las Vegas that year. So right after I started working on the czar and what became UFOs the best evidence, the UFO world came to my door.

There I got to meet Stan Friedman and interview him, Walt Andres, the head of Mufon. I got to meet Linda Howell and subsequently met Bud Hopkins, Whitley Streber, John Mack, all the luminaries, the really incredible. incredible, hardworking people who knew this topic, and they shared so much with me over that. And there was no turning back after that than I'm the UFO guy. Right. Where's your playlist taking you? Down the highway, to the mountains, or just into daydream mode while you're stuck in traffic.

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And, you know, it was cool with the public. The thing is, the public couldn't get enough of it. And no matter where I went, to this day, the public, if I'm in a grocery store, I'm in a bar, I'm in a restaurant, people come up. and engage with me. They asked me, do you really believe that stuff? And what they really want to know is they want to tell me their UFO story. And it seems like everyone's got one. Yeah. And so the public couldn't get enough. The pushback came from my journalistic brethren. They hated it. I got nothing but crap about it. The newspapers in town ran editorial cartoons. The columnists made fun of the people with UFO beanies and look over there. There's E.T. and Elvis and all kinds of columns that

whacked me on a regular basis. The morning radio DJs would, when they'd run out of belch, barf and fart jokes would take off on me. They wrote songs about it. I started getting letters from all over the world, wacky, crazy letters from UFO people who told me they'd been abducted about sexual things that aliens had done to them. I mean, a lot of it was really crazy, but I tried to always treat it like a news story. And I could never understand the animosity from my fellow journalists because the people who were bashing me on a regular basis back then had never done any of the work. It was easier to sit there and type up some wisecracks. The same UFO jokes that have been told a million times since then and before then,

it was easier to do that than to do the work, to go sit out at Area 51 in the desert, night after night, as I did hundreds times, to try to see whatever was flying around in the sky, to dig into Lazar's background, to investigate the background of all. other people who had worked in the military, who had some recognition of UFOs and knowledge of secret programs. And that was hard stuff. That was real journalism. And that's how I always tried to approach it as a real legitimate story. Once you separate the wheat from the chaff and get down to the bottom of it, 95% of everything you hear in the field is probably explainable. But that other 5% is really interesting. And it could be, as we said at that first meeting with Lazar, could be

the biggest story in history. So, I mean, on this podcast on this show, you know, let's say limited series 12 months, if we go all the way through, we're going to be talking about a lot of the stories that you have brought to public attention. You know, we're not, we don't have to go into all the depths of them right now, but I just want to highlight as a journalist. I mean, you also are the only journalist that went over to Russia during Glasnos and Parasjoica saw that opportunity and got original files, the classified files that you stripped of the classification and brought with you back to the U.S. talking about Russia's UFO programs. That's one of the things we'll go into on this. But you also had your hands at Skinwalker Ranch, which is this now

real famous place, a paranormal hotspot, a place where there's UFO sightings and more. So those are some of the things in your career. You've written a couple books on the Skinwalker Ranch. Written two books, yeah. Plunk for the Skinwalker and Skinwalkers of the Pentagon. You know, written newspaper columns and produced programs and specials that were independent of KLAS as well and work with you, of course. But, you know, along the way, as with any good news story, the most important thing you can do is established trust with sources. And it's not a trick. It's the trick in being trustworthy is to actually be trustworthy. So among the first people that I engaged when I first started down this road became people who are titans in this field and who are influencing

events that are unfolding right now. One was Senator Harry Reid. Reed had just been elected to the U.S. Senate, the first of five terms in 1988. 1989, as I'm working on this Lazare Area 51 stuff, he had worked with the military and helped secure DOD budgets and things of that sort. I thought, you know who's going to want to know this is Harry Reid. So as I'm digging into it and getting more information. He's the first person I told outside of our newsroom. And it was in a limousine heading to McCarran Airport. He was flying back to Washington. We had about a 25, 30 minute conversation. And instead of kicking me out and saying I'm crazy, he said, that's really interesting. Keep me in a loop about this. And I'll help you. And he did. Over the next 30 years,

we had a secret conversation behind the scenes. I wasn't going to report it. I didn't want to get him in any kind of political hot water or make him look crazy. But he helped me. He helped me. and I helped him. I helped introduce him to a lot of people and would send him information and documents and and he took a long time interest in it and and uh he ended up going to area 51 a number of times. Among the other people I met at the same time was Robert Bigelow. Bigelow is a name that he did not know at the time but he called me up the day the series on the air ended. I get a call hold for Robert Bigelow didn't know his name. He's a billionaire. He had the budget suites. He He had been a highly successful real estate developer.

And he gets on the phone and says, hey, boy, that series is pretty good. Can I help you? I said, well, I appreciate your comment. What do you mean? You help me? Well, financially support. You're going to do some additional research. I said, well, no, I work for Channel 8.

I can't do that. But, you know, keep in mind. And he wanted to meet Lazar. So, well, I'll ask Lazare, but he was pretty reticent to meet the public or engage with the public. He was gay. Still is. He thought he was going to be killed.

He thought he was going to be killed at the time. So I said, you know, I'll ask Lazar and I'll get back to you. And then within two weeks, Robert Bigelow, not one to be denied, had hired private investigators, tracked down Lizar, met him. And they were going to meet for drinks and invited me to join them. And then that started a little social circle of me and Bob and Gene Huff and Robert Bigelow who would meet and talk about UFOs. And we took a trip up to Rachel and Airy 51 and had some high. hijinks out there. I got to know Bigelow really well. That relationship also became key to not only my career, but also to the topic in general. And we'll get into how that works.

Yeah, we're going to definitely get into that. I mean, my theory is that a lot of these people that made a lot of headway in this field, for example, Senator Harry Reid, he's the one who created the funding for the largest acknowledged UFO program by our government ever. But from my understanding is he wasn't into this thing until you came at him about Bavis-Uk. So we'll talk about that more later. But for people that don't or just kind of hearing about who you are, that is your career in a nutshell is that, you know, you're a hard-edged investigative reporter. You broke stories that every kind of thing people can imagine. But the UFO thing has really stuck with you. It's branded you along the way. And it changed. So in those days, you know, the dominant paradigm was

UFOs are E-T-craft coming here from other planets. They're visiting Earth from some other planet. That's the operating presumption that I had and what most of the UFO luminaries at the time thought. There was a guy named Dr. Jacques Valet that I got to meet later in that second UFO project, who had maybe the most important writer on this topic, a key thinker, has written essential books about the subject matter, who is among the first to suggest UFOs may not be extraterrestrial. It might be something far more exotic. In fact, our first meeting, he said, I'm going to be really disappointed, if it turns out the answer to this UFO mystery,

is that these are craft from other planets. Because he said, if, as the witnesses have indicated, and the evidence shows, these craft can manipulate space time, create their own gravity. As Lazare has said, they can be from anywhere. They can be from E.T., interdimensional, outer space, time travelers, all the above. So he got me thinking that maybe there's a lot more to it

than just aliens visiting the planet. And then Bigelow drives that. point home. He creates an organization called NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science. He had spent more money on UFO research than any person in the history of the world. And he offered a million bucks up to the three major UFO organizations if they could just get along. You need money. You're always complaining about not enough money to do research or investigations. Here's a million bucks. All you got to do is get along. Of course they couldn't. And so he pulled it back off the table, created his own UFO organization based in Las Vegas.

called NIDS. I'm the only journalist that's allowed to know about it. He had me speak at the first meeting of this NIDS Science Advisory Board, this amazing panel of people. Jacques Ballet is there, along with Dr. Hal Putoff, a CIA scientist who helped develop remote viewing. Dr. Edgar Mitchell, six man to walk on the moon. And a PhD astrophysicist, a brilliant guy. John Alexander came later. Dr. Colum Kellerher came later. Just a table full of people. There was a another U.S. Senator who was at the table, Dr. Harrison Schmidt, who was on this board, who had been the last person to walk on the move. And I delivered a presentation to them at their first meeting about the Russian files that you mentioned. And I was just blown away by it.

I get out of that meeting. About a week later, I called Senator Reid. I said, hey, there's this new organization on this topic that you and I talk about under the table now and then. And I think you'd really be interested. He says, do you think I could get invited? Well, that was my point of calling him. And I said, yeah, I'll set an emotion. And he did. He got a meeting, came to a NIDS meeting later in that year. And then from there on, he was hooked.

You know, he saw the caliber of people who were around that table and he was hooked. Yeah. And to fast forward from that, so we'll go into that in other episodes, I'm sure. But, you know, NIDS became other things that ended up being this huge DIA government UFO program. So on this podcast, it's fair to say we're going to talk a lot about UFOs. I'd just say, but Skinwalker, so that same year, Nid's Bigelow buys Skinwalker Ranch. And the ideas that Jock Valet had planted with me that it may not be extraterrestrial, that bore fruit there at the ranch because the smorgasbord of strange stuff that was going on there

certainly doesn't sound like what we think we know about ETs. This was something else. And we'll get into that. Yeah, I mean, the more that you look into this topic, even for myself, the more unsure you are of the conclusions that you really started with. I mean, we all start with some idea of what we think it is. And the UFO mystery, it really, I mean, that's, for me, it was this moment, this one moment that made me realize, you know, I can't be a passive consumer of this.

I have to be an active participant, you know, because it's so fascinating. Well, you and I have talked about a lot of times over the last decade or so, you know, they, as I started out, the big questions, who are they, where are they from, why are they here, what's their interest in us? And we don't have answers to any of that. We know a lot more stuff, but we really don't know. And the more I learn, the fuzzier those answers get because, you know, some of this activity, it doesn't fit into a category. And your own journey sort of started at the same place. We have the same gateway drug. That's right. That's right. My gateway drug into UFOs was John Lear. I mean, well, you know, really, I got to say my gateway drug in the UFOs was you and Bob Lazar first,

coming forward to the public in the news reports, and Bob saying what he did about the propulsion systems of this UFO craft that he said he worked on. So we do have this central point. It was getting to you, though, that I think it's hilarious. People should hear about that. But what happened to me was I heard you and Bob on the radio, and I heard Bob describing the way that the craft would move through space and time. And he described it as falling into place. He would always say, if you put a bowling ball on the bed and you stick your fist down and push down on the bed, the bowling ball falls into place. He's like, that's the way the craft move.

It's not reactionary propulsion. It's reaction less propulsion. It's not pushing something out the back to move forward from rockets to roller skates. That's the way things move as far as we know. But hearing him as a 13-year-old kid, and you're interviewing him, hearing him talk about gravitational propulsion and falling into space, it dawned on me, even at that young age when I was interested in other things, this interests me because I could understand that if Bob Lazar was telling the truth and if he was right about the propulsion, right, then

distance no longer matters. It was this idea the universe is vast. There's probably intelligent life teeming through the universe, but they ain't coming here. There's no way. And the moment I heard Bob describe that, I realized distance would be irrelevant if the physics of what he's saying is correct. It wouldn't matter how far another civilization was if they could build these machines,

they could get here very easily. It's one thing a buddy of mine, smart buddy of mine once said to me, which is that, he goes, Jeremy, you're thinking about it wrong. He goes, it's probably really easy to get here. Because I was like, why so much? Why so much activity of UFOs? It's not just one person.

It's over time, so much contact, sightings, radar, it's got to be fucking easy to get here. So that was a really interesting way to look at it. So that was my inception point. I was 13, though. I had a whole life and whole career that I was starting in martial athletics. And art? And art. I ended up doing art because I got real ill and couldn't compete or train or anything like that. So yes, I did art as well. And then, you know, really I got this idea. Actually, I got a camera for my wedding, and it was really funny. I pointed it, the second I'd pointed at somebody, they'd start spilling beans to me.

It's like, he would just talk and tell me stuff they probably shouldn't on camera. And I was like, well, this thing is magical. You know, this thing, if I just pointed at somebody, it's magical. And I'm like, who can I point it at? I want to learn more about UFOs. So you were completely inaccessible. Of course, Bob was completely, completely inaccessible. And I thought, well, who knows anything about this?

And I thought, that would be John Lear. So, you know, finally I got through to John, which was also hard at the time because he was a little sick. Everybody was like ghosting me in the UFO world. And there was no, like, Twitter or anything that I could jump in and try to ask people questions. So finally, Lear said, okay, you know, you can come talk to me. And I think he just wanted me to smuggle him cigars and freidos or something, you know, because he didn't give me the time of day. We sit there and for like two days he's staring at me through the barrel of a cigar,

not answering a single question, and I'm filming him, just sitting at his computer. He was kind of testing me, I know, because I ended up filming with him for years after. But the first question I ever asked about UFOs was, okay, what is your best piece of evidence that UFOs are real? Show it to me. You show it to me. Put it in my hands. And, you know, my gosh, how naive I was, that it's that easy.

But so that's where I started filming. But really, with journalism, it was me trying to get to you. And I think you probably know this story on your side, but you might not know it on my side. But, man, I tried to, you know, I tried to contact you for, it was, I think it was two years. It was some ridiculous time. If you look through your emails, you might find every six months, I was respectfully trying to reach out to you. Called the station a couple times. Finally, somebody from your station called me back.

And I was doing art, so I had a pain all over my hands. I'm actually resoning something at the time. And I just get the phone in my ear and goes, hold for George Knapp. That's all they said. And I'm like, hold on. Hold on. And I'm like, and he goes, can I give you a piece of advice? I said, sure.

He goes, know what you want to say. Say it clearly. He doesn't have much time. Hope for George Knapp. And I'm like, oh, fuck. So the second you get on the phone, I just start going, hi, my name is Jeremy Corbell. I'm really into this, but I'm not a crazy person.

I really want to know the truth. I've got a few things that I've been doing. I've been filming with John Lear for about nine months, and I really want to know if you can give me any information. I'm really interested in this. And I want to know the truth, and I don't want any BS. And you seem like the guy. Just talked as fast as I could.

And then it was like, I think you were eating a sandwich because it was like the longest pause. I thought you had hung up on me. And then you're like, okay, I'll do my part. I remember you said that. And then bam, probably the longest conversation we had on the phone, it was one way. You just told me shit. And I was like, man, that's so cool that you gave me that time that you really did your part.

So that just made my disease worse. I was like, I'm coming to stay with you. And you're like, okay. So that was how we, from my perspective, you know, finally connected on the UFO topic. I think you saw I was serious about it. I was starting to film, you know, some, I didn't even know I'd be a filmmaker, but I started to film because it was my passport into people's lives, was just holding this camera at them. Nothing's changed, you know.

Well, Ian Russell is the guy you talked to. He's a producer for the I team. He was one of many shields that I had at the station. And after a while, you know, I was all gung-ho in the beginning on the UFO topic. I wanted to hear from everybody. But it becomes oppressive after a while. You understand. Yes, I do.

I mean, to this day, I get, I stopped taking phone calls. I stopped answering the phone because they'd get on the phone and people would have a two-hour story about their UFO experience and you couldn't get anything done. So I reluctantly had to cut that off and I have all kinds of people at the station who would run interference for me, which I regret, but there's no other way to get anything else done. Yeah, you can't survive. I mean, so since then, just so for people that don't know my work and what I've done, So what I've been attempting to do is gather as much information and get it out in a credible way.

And films have been a cool way to do that, documentaries. So my first documentary was called Patient 17. I followed a guy named Dr. Roger Lear. He believed he was taking out what he called alien implants from people. It was really far out there. I didn't even want to do the film. But the guy, Patient 17, I found him very credible. So that was one of the reasons I made that first movie.

And then obviously Hunt for the Skinwalker, which is based upon. your initial research and book and filming out there. It was the first time anybody ever saw the ranch. So that was a movie that came out on Hulu. So Patient 17 came out on Netflix with a huge success for an unknown filmmaker who didn't even go to film school and doesn't really know how to use aperture. Whatever. Then I made Hunt for the Skinwalker. And then finally I made the movie Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers, which has also came out on Netflix. So as an unknown filmmaker, I've been very lucky to get, you know, people to interview with me. But then just to get these films out and seen.

Like, you know, I feel like Inspector Crusoe, a filmmaking. Describe for our listeners how it was getting Bob to cooperate and to eventually go on camera. Yeah, man. People don't get this. I mean, so it's like capturing the Yeti or the Saas Squad. You have to be really lucky and patient, and it might not even exist, you know. Obviously, knowing John Lear and then getting to know you, it's like there was this idea. that at some point I could just talk with Bob. I didn't even want to necessarily film,

I just want to talk with him. But there was no, this radio silence notoriously. He doesn't want, he doesn't feel a need to justify to the public what he's told them. He told the public what he did about UFOs and back engineering craft because he was scared for his life. And you know that better than anybody to be true because you were there during it. But getting Bob to go on camera took many, many years. I also didn't want to be pushy. I wasn't a real filmmaker, really, even then, even with anybody who was filming. So the thing with Bob, I lucked out one day. He came over to John Lear's house, the first time I ever got him on my camera, and respectfully, I put all the cameras away, and it's really nice to meet you. Hey, man, I really want to know, are you telling the

truth? You know, that's basically, are you fucking lying? And then it could just see this kind of look in his eye, and I said, Bob, look, I was 13 years old when you came out. Three months, more minutes are you talking? The world hasn't had like extra footage of you. You did some news reports, but he would barely give his time. I'm just give me three minutes, man. He said, okay. And so I filmed this like, it would actually end up being more than three minutes. It was the first time that he's really like defended his position. I was like, damn, that was cool. Even Lear said, I never heard him talk like that. But that's not a movie and that's not a real interview. And I'm a nobody with this stuff. So then you and I were talking all this time,

over time one day Bob just calls me up he goes okay come over and he's in michigan i'm like what you mean come over he's like yeah let's do it come on over and i'm thinking i still can't believe it so i go with all of my bags of cameras but i don't like let him see them i'm just like hey man so why am i here he goes why do you think you're here i'm like are you going to let me tell your story he goes under one condition i said what's that and he's like don't fucking lie you know just don't don't corrupt, just word for word, what I say is fine. And I thought, wow, okay, here's my only one condition. You give me access to everybody and anybody. If I see a box and it's closed and I want it open, you're going to let me open it. And he goes, yeah, fine. He didn't care. Let me look through all your

videotapes. Yeah, cool. Audio tapes, no problem. So that's, that's, once he opened up, then it was like, okay, the world needs to hear this story again. They can make their own decision, whether it's true or not true. That was not the point of my documentary. It was not a breakdown of every argument for and against Bob Lazar. The idea of the documentary was to show people who Bob was so they could not dehumanize and dismiss him based upon these outrageous things they've said,

just get to know he's a guy, and then you start thinking about his story. Maybe another documentary we do. We go into the nitty gritty of pros and cons for, is Bob telling us the truth? The point that Bob is telling us the truth. I believe Bob's telling us the truth, and I actually have more information than just.

Republican, so to you. So. Yeah, if I didn't think he was being truthful, I wouldn't still be on it. And I'd say so. You know, I would report it. We went down that road when I was first looking into his background and we ran into some speed bumps. I mean, some pretty big problems.

The schools he said he went to claim they had never heard of him. I thought, well, this project could end before it really gets going. Right. And then, you know, followed the lead a couple of different places to Los Alamos. His claim that he had worked at Los Alamos. If he had worked there and classified projects in a scientific or technical position, that it really didn't matter to me whether he had gone to the schools he claimed or not, because it was plausible that he could get hired to work out in the Nevada Desert and work on this.

And I still believe that to be true. There are so many detractors, so many people who are deep into the UFO subject who believe we have crashed saucers and we're doing reverse engineering, and we might even be doing it out at the places where he said we're doing it, still find reasons to not believe Bob. He's a liar. He's a, you know, he's a profiteer. He's just doing this for attention. He is the most reluctant UFO Messiah I know. And getting him to go on camera that first time was a miracle. Getting him to go on camera after that was like pulling teeth. Right. And you and I were talking on the way on the drive over here today is that on the day

that we revealed his identity to the world and told him that he's Bob Lazare, not this guy, Dennis. He was in the station. And I was, we were editing right up in the next. minute and I had that videotape to take it to the control room to get it ready to go on the air and he grabbed it from me. And we got into a little tussle. He had decided he changed his mind. I don't want to do this. And he's been that way ever since. You know, he's, he knew he was going to take a lot of grief. He's taken an unimaginable amount of grief, especially from the UFO world, but he stuck to a story. No one goes to Hank's for spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank to say,

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podcast and show, it's going to be cool. People will speak for themselves as well. But big picture, what you're describing there is kind of a syndrome of what we see about the UFO topic in general, which now there's been a sea change. And we are in the mass media. Congress and Senate is creating whistleblower laws so that people can come testify. But the big picture is that human beings, we all have this innate fee. Nobody has no opinion about UFOs. Everybody has a strong opinion to begin with. They're either real or they're not real. And I kind of feel that's there. UFOs are real or they're not real. There's either craft of unknown origin that are flying with impunity within our restricted aerospace globally for decades or longer or they're not. It's that

simple. But the point is, human beings, we all have a very strong opinion and bias when it comes to this. Now, the more we learn, we can start saying, okay, I'm starting to feel that this is a real phenomenon. I don't feel that every opinion is created equal. I think that if you've lived a certain life and you've done a certain amount of work to understand something, you know, if you put calculus in front of me, I'm not going to be able to jam it out like somebody who's studied it their whole life. So the idea is we all bring bias towards this thing, especially UFOs. However, I think there is something to be learned, right?

Well, you know, going at this, as I said, what hooked me is the paper trail. There is a trail of documents that shows our military has studied this, that they have evidence in their possession, maybe even craft, and maybe even bodies from crash sites. So I really wanted to pursue that. And in order to pursue it, you know that there are people inside government who know more than anyone else. And the reason is simple. It's that Dr. Belay had said, you know, if you're looking at who has the evidence, it's the government. It's the military, because they have the capability to collect it. They have the sensor systems and satellites and And personnel all over the world.

They have the evidence. If you want high-resolution photos, if a crash retrievals, this is going to be operated by a government. So if this stuff indeed exists, bodies, it's not going to be in someone's home. So how do you crack that part of the mystery? And as a journalist, I approach that by trying to establish trust with people that I thought knew. The relationships that I developed through Robert Bigelow, through those NIDs people who had

been in government, who had worked for CIA and DIA and other words, organizations who had had information from the inside just didn't have a way to get it out, develop relationships with them, establish trust, and then work from there. And the seeds that were planted back then by establishing relationship with those folks and with Harry Reid is directly responsible for what's unfolding right now. Right. And there's a lot unfolding right now. And this is kind of what I want to make sure we go through some stuff. So what is unfolding right now has been really unfolding since December of 2017 with the New York Times article. So to bring everybody up to date, if you've never been into this topic, but just on a real

basic level, there was an article that came out in the New York Times, and it was an admission of the longest, most, the biggest UFO study of all time by our government that is acknowledged. And so this is a story that you knew about a long time before, but it really broke the UFO story for the world that changed the attitudes of people, right? Yeah, the New York Times doing the story is a signal to other mainstream media that this is not disgraceful. It's not nonsense. If the paper of record does it, it's acceptable for you to do it too.

And it's exactly the effect that it had because every news organization of the world started reporting on UFOs after the Times through the story. The report in December of 2017 was explosive. You and I knew it was coming and had done some things in advance. even in your film, Hunter Skinwalker. Hey, in a couple of weeks, something big is coming. But the New York Times story, as important as it was, got it wrong. They had reported about the existence of a program called ATIP.

And the guy who was in charge of it was Lou Elizonda, who had worked as an insider. He had came forward. He was upset that secrecy existed. The Times said that the ATIP had a budget of $22 million that had been arranged by Senator Harry Reid, that the money went to Robert Bigelow, and they were studying UFOs. Well, a lot of that was right and it was a crucial and important story, but a lot of it was wrong. The actual program was called something else. And in the months that followed, I started digging into that.

I was invited to go to a meeting in Washington, D.C., with Senator Harry Reid and an intelligence guy that I can say the name of it now. His name is Jim Lackatsky. He had worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency, had spent 20 years as a rocket scientist, analyzing enemy systems and doing reverse engineering, things. sort. And he took an interest in Skinwalker Ranch and the possibility that there were national defense considerations based on our book, Hunt for the Skinwalker. He read the book. He shared it with other intelligence officials. They thought it was interesting as well. So he asked as superiors for permission to go visit the ranch. He reached out to Robert Bigelow, went to the property, had a dramatic experience, went back to Washington, wrote up a proposal

for a program, sold it to Harry Reid, who pitched it to fellow senators. They secured $22 million. The program is called OSAP, Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program. It does not mention UFOs in any of the documents. It was put out as a contract. Robert Bigelow created an organization called Bass. Apologies for all these acronyms, by the way. Osap is the program under DIA. Bass is the organization that got the contract, and they started a study. It was a secret. study. It was supposed to last for five years. Skinwalker Ranch was used as a sort of a base of operations, but it wasn't the focus of the study. And they proceeded to hire 50 full-time investigators, biggest UFO program in the history of our government that we know of. Right. And there are others that

we might know. There are others and hopefully that'll come out. So I am sure that on this show, we're going to have people come on. We're also going to poke the bear on the show. I mean, we're we're going to be able to release stuff that we've debated about how to release. If we obtain information, photos, videos, how do we release it? But I want to talk about how that started for us and how we work together on this. So we really poked the bear because what happened was, you know, UFOs all of a sudden, it's all over the media. We catch wind that there's going to be an official UFO report coming out.

And we're thinking, huh, what are they going to put in there? Are they going to whitewash this? Are they going to play it down? So you and I had been sitting on certain imagery for years in some cases, and we thought, all right, let's put it together. Corroborative visual evidence of East Coast and West Coast encounters. Everybody had kind of heard about the Tic Tac UFO case by that point with Commander David Fraber. And I was absolutely the first person to be interviewing him about all that for years. He's talked about that.

And I didn't blow his cover. But the New York Times article did blow his cover. I mean, at that point, there was a whole thing about him. So basically, we decided, and tell me if you agree with how this works, but we decided, hey, if we have any chance ever to push the envelope, it's going to be now. What can we responsibly put out to poke the bear and try to get a response, an official response from our government on cases we knew were legitimate. The 2019 swarm events off of the West Coast of California involving 10 shares.

over 100 UFOs simultaneously over three days. And then on the East Coast, you have photographs from FAA18 pilots shooting out the window on their iPhone. Let me back up for a second. 2004, Tick-Tac, maybe the most important UFO case of all time, given its importance, it was central to the New York Times story, which changed everything. We reported it before the New York Times. We did.

And in part, that was because of the relationship you developed with Dave Fraver. I had shared with you some information that had come my way through the OSAP program about this. The first study of the Tick-Tac incident was done by OSAP for Bass. A document I released in 2018 after you had broken the story about Dave Fravor, we had broken it together. But because of how you handled Dave Fravor and you were trustworthy and you kept your word and handled it in a responsible way, that word gets around among his fellow naval aviators, which paid off dividends in big ways. is still doing that now. Absolutely. And yeah, now it's just an onslaught, you know, of information that comes our way, which I appreciate

greatly, but credible information, imagery, videos, photos, that kind of thing. So just to kind of get to the core of it, there's this sea change, how UFOs are covered. We decide we're going to put out responsibly. We're going to put out this information, which is inherently non, it is inherently not classified, yet it was containing classified briefings. But what we received was the non-classified aspects of it. So four videos, radar, thermal, IR, and deck footage, normal camera footage, all supporting one event series that was happening in 2019, two slides, official government slides, one talking

about transmedium craft, the other talking about pyramids, triangular in shape. So we're reporting the news. We give all this information out, hey, this is what we see going on. And then also with that is your images you obtained from the fighter pilots off the West Coast. So we're trying to show East West Coast this is happening. And you told people at that time this is happening on a daily basis. I don't think anybody believed it. But after the New York Times story December 2017, there's an explosion of interest in UFOs.

We start getting invitations to speak at these conferences. And I'm gathering information from people's sources I had developed over a number of years. And at those conferences, Loughlin, maybe a couple of other ones, I make the statement that, look, there's a giant naval base on the East Coast and pilots, naval pilots are seeing UFOs every day. Right. And that was going on in 2014, 2015, and continued. And I don't think anybody believed me.

But we subsequently learned that it was going on, that the, you know, the Navy was trying to get its pilots to take photos. These aviators are reluctant to do that. They don't want it to interfere with their career or get them grounded. That'd be the last thing they'd be. the last thing they want to have happen. But in the course of, there's an area called Oceania, that's the base, the big naval air station on the east coast.

There's an area called W72 over the ocean. Flyers, aviators would fly out of this base and go out into the ocean every day. And every day they're seeing these things. They finally get some pilots to take pictures. And in February of 2019, one sortie took pictures of three different objects. Those photos came my way,

a couple months later, there was a sort of a UFO summit in Las Vegas. Harry Reid was there, Robert Bigelow, I won't say everybody else, but I was there and saw these photos, and I sat on it because I didn't have permission to release them. But after you start getting a lot of images, I thought, well, what the heck? Let's do it. And we did kind of talk with everybody and make sure, and I'm not going to reveal specifically how or where I receive stuff, you know, or anything like that. But, you know, obviously the information we have is correct and it is credible and it is

military film footage and how quickly the United States government confirmed, yes, these are military videos and yes, they are of unknowns. Now, we'll talk about how that's changed or not changed at another date, but I think it's important to understand that when I get information that comes to me, I know I can go to you and you have your own sources that can then help me vet information. So it works both ways. And it's really cool that we can do that. to find out if the content or information were being given is credible, reliable, and if it's something we can legally put out. We should point out that you mentioned about a classified briefing. So there was the ATIP program that Lou Elizondo headed, that was the report in the New York Times.

There was the OSAP program that I revealed the existence of that was headed by Jim Lakatsky at the DIA. They studied TICTAC and many other UFO cases. and then after those programs went away, something else came in. It didn't even have a name for a long time, and then it became the UAP task force. And the guy who was in charge of it, I'll say his name now, we can say it. Jay Stratton had worked with both ATIP and OssAP, and he was carrying on the investigation on a very quiet basis, trying to put things together, collecting data and information and images

from all kinds of different agencies. he put it together in this massive briefing document, and he would make presentations to the Joint Chiefs, to the CIA, to the DIA, and eventually to defense contractors. And because the actual document itself was classified, but the images that we've now made public were not classified. It's hard to explain that. Hard for people to understand that it could be true, but it was true.

Well, anything without a specific demarcation as a journalist, we can accept if it's not, has a clear, you know, of it being classified or secret or sensitive. So you and I steer well away from that, but that's one way you can know that you're okay. Yeah. So I released the images from the East Coast. They're photos. And they don't show the Starship Enterprise or something, but they're really interesting. And they were to this day, we're still considered unidentified. You collect some images that were in that classified briefing, not classified videos. Let's start with talk about the USS Omaha. That's an example. So, you.

July 2019, what's going on on the West Coast? Yeah, so, I mean, this is a huge topic. We're going to dedicate at least a couple episodes to this. But the big picture is that there were swarm events of UFOs. And in 2019, one that came to my attention and that I've done more digging on this than anybody, even more than our own intelligence agencies, every witness that I speak with, so they haven't talked to any of them or if they did, way less than they've talked to me. So now, at this point, there's so many people involved on these 10.

10 ships, at least 10 ships that are swarmed simultaneously on the East Coast in 2019 over the course of three days. And we're going to get way into this. You know, what are the shapes of these things? How did they look? What did the spy one radar people think? What did the people fighting the ships do? This is one epic, modern day, UFO swarm encounter on our own military that is not something.

We can brush under the table or explain easily as some press has started. it to try to do. So that's what that case was, is the 2019 West Coast. But again, there are big cases throughout history. We have the Tick-Tac UFO event. We have everything that's going on in the East coast like Lieutenant Ryan Graves talking about how they would see these UFOs on a daily basis. I want to go back to the Omaha because I think you're given it short shrift. So, you know, all right, 10 ships, 10 warships are the U.S. Navy, 100 miles off the West Coast. out there in the oceans west of San Diego are all swarmed over a couple of days

by hundreds of objects. Some people have tried to say, oh, they're just drones, you know, just drones flying out of nowhere. You don't see them land. You don't see them where they took off, where they came from. They're over our ships,

buzzing around, performing some pretty amazing maneuvers, and some of those images are recorded, in particular by the crew of the USS Omaha. Right. So I was able to obtain numerous videos, and to be clear that we're not in those classified briefings. I think we kind of mistalk, let's get real clear on that. A lot of what I obtained and released was not in the report

by Jay Stratton for the UAP Task Force. In fact, our Pentagon didn't have this military footage until you and I gave it to them. And so I think that's really important that they saw there was a break in the chain of command here. You and I should be obsolete in this. Why should military people feel like they need to give us information that we give? Because we're already putting it out. We're saying, hey, we're putting this out. So that's why they had to confirm and then address this footage in Congress and Senate during the hearings, some of it, is because we provided it to them. We shouldn't have to do that. So I hope that's clarifies to people. But to your point, I'd say, we said 100 miles, within a radius of 100 miles, there were 10 ships. So this was the circle or the diameter of

at least 100 UFOs simultaneously swarming all of these 10 Navy warships. Now, its proximity to land is different for each ship because they're in that radius. And there are some big deals about that. For example, I think we should give people today two things they haven't had before. So one is, is that when the USS Omaha was swarmed, so is the USS Russell, the Paul Hamilton, a bunch of ships. Well, I've been speaking with individuals from each ship in different levels of responsibility. I think we should play for people one of the direct testimony of an eyewitness. That's the thing that's been missing, is people that were actually there.

Yeah, I should point out, you've got a lot of eyewitnesses that you've spoken to, recorded, who've willingly come forward and shared information. And to set up this audio clip we're about to hear is those who would like us to dismiss this and say, it's just drones. Like, you know, you can go buy them at Kmart or something or it's something you can buy off the internet. Again, you're 100 miles out to sea for some of these ships.

There are no other land. There's no other land out there from which you can launch a drone. There are no other ships, except for one that we'll talk about. And where do these drones come from? It's important. Yeah. So there's going to be a lot more from this witness and other witnesses from Paul Hamilton that have allowed me to record with them.

And we're going to have some people in person. But the main thing is all these people are still active duty. And this is not their goal is to become the UFO person. So I'm not going to just broadcast their names necessarily. But I got the audio recordings. So with this particular clip out of like a number that we'll be releasing at some point, they talk about these objects. these UFOs, at one point he said to me, these are UFOs, are unidentified, but we have to call them

something. We'd call them UAS, you know, unmanned aerial systems because they just weren't big enough to hold a human being. We're coming from the West. And so that's kind of the point of this audio. Let's listen to it and then we can talk about it. But it's just one of the details of why we shouldn't just dismiss this, first of all, just as drones or second of all, just as like adversarial or even commercial drones. Where did they land? Where did they launch? So let's play the audio and then we'll talk about it. And for purposes right here, I'm just going to play it on my phone out loud for us. Fifty-three seconds. So from what direction was this swarm coming? It was actually coming from the west. It was coming from the west. Yeah, from the west.

So over water. Over water away from land. I mean, like, the only thing you have over there is like Hawaii is probably the closest thing west of us. And when they were departing, what direction were they departing too? They would depart in different on different bearings than they came in on. So normally always from the west and then departing in a different direction. Yeah. Not exclusively, but yeah, yeah, pretty constantly it would be a different bearing, which is weird, right? So if you deployed a drone to go check something out, it would come back. So that was like something significant enough for us to like report the heavy thing or going to a different thing. You're going to different direction that they came. So a very simple statement. There's so many parts we could pull

from to have this conversation. But I thought that one was cool because he's like they were coming from the west. So normally if you had any kind of drone, they would have to return to its launch point. But he's seen him come in and durationally go in other directions. So who's were they? Where did they come from? So did somebody launch their Walmart drone from Hawaii and it traveled 1,800 miles to buzz these. There's hundreds of them that buzzed these 10 ships over three days. You've got a number of witnesses who saw them. And then back to the USS Omaha, the video that you released, pretty famous. This is an orb. This is an eight or nine, 10 feet at a circle. No wings, no tail, no rotor, no visible propulsion system. And they track it on a thermal

screen. It's not a TV camera. It's a thermal imaging system. They track it for, I don't know, an hour that travel along with the other? Yeah, well, they track so, so that, yeah, this is, it's, you know, approximately about 10 feet in diameters, what their best assumption at this point. But what's important about it is it shows an object going into the water. And this was just what our government said, they believe it to be transmedium. They sent helicopters up after this thing. And I actually do have witnesses that actually saw them going into the water.

So that's a whole other thing. But here's the deal, man. All that footage, it's not just one piece of, footage. It's the military filmed weapon systems that got, first of all, thermal, an object going into the water. But radar that showed about 14 contacts around this one ship at this one time. Then we have deck footage from the deck. What did it look like? And then also infrared footage off the USS Russell. So the corroborative visual evidence that this was going on, but then once you start talking with people, I mean, they're like astonished of how these

things could move, what they could do, how they seemed to be defenseless against this. And then there's been all this play of like, oh, these are just drones. Okay, maybe they're not commercial drones. They're definitely military drones. So it must be China or something like that. Well, we have a lot to say about that over the course of these next episodes. I mean, it's like there's a lot of problems with trying to dismiss this very important event. Just to point out to our listeners, too. So you have the three different sets of images from the USS Omaha, the thermal screen showing this giant orb travel along with the ship. Then a shot of the radar screen showing up to 14 images blinking in and out. And then the video is taken on the deck that shows the lights hovering over the ship.

You sent those. We sent those to the Pentagon because we had them and they didn't. And suddenly they had them and people started had to ask them, is this for real? and to our utter and total astonishment, the Pentagon said yes. Yes, for the first time of the life, they're honest about UFOs. Yes, they are recorded by the Navy, and yes, they're real. And yes, they are included in the UAP study. So these are not just, it's not like, yeah, that's real, but we know what they are.

It's included in the U.S. So they also admitted that, that it was included in the UFO UAP study. And we now know, to a higher degree, that they did study it, that they did go. check on some of the ships after that OSI office special investigations for the Navy. So there's a huge story in there that people are trying to just dismiss with ridiculous statements. Yeah. So among the most famous images from that July 2019 episode are these green pyramids that we released. You obtain a we release together. And they went all over the world immediately. And every UFO story you see on every network now, they use some of that video. And of course,

the debunkers who don't want this to be true, trying to explain this as it's a trick, a bouquet, it's a trick from the lens light that enters this lens from night vision, and it's not really pyramids, it's something else. Well, you know, the question is, are they unidentified craft flying over these ships? Because the USS Russell, they had a range finder that said one of them, at least, was 700 feet above the deck. So it's not a star, right? It's something really there. No, there were absolutely, remember, during this time period, with any, given ship, there was, you know, 10, 14, up to 20 of these unidentified in close proximity to each other, swarming each Navy ship, usually in patterns with one above. Some even shot down like

beams of light, which, you know, I have testimony for, we'll talk about later. But these, this whole big debate of trying to say, oh, you know, the shape of it was not, you know, pyramid or triangle. On one level, I'm like, okay, no problem. I don't care if it's shaped like Mickey Mouse. We have no dog in this. People have put it on me because I reported it, but like, I don't have a dog in the fight. If there's a lens artifact that makes it look that way, great, great, I don't care. However, the problem is, is that every time you and I have pushed back on the people that have more censored data and more information who did this for the government, tell them, hey, is the shape wrong in your original report?

Because that's all we did. We put out a report says triangle by angle of observation. But in the classified briefings, they would say shaped in the form of pyramids. And I actually physically saw that, okay? I admit that much. So the question is, is the report wrong? And you and I have asked over and over and over to the people that actually generated the report that have all the sensor systems.

And they keep saying, it's correct. And it's unknown. I mean, the main point is it's an unknown crack. of unknown origin flying over U.S. warships. That is the main point. Who cares what shape it is. Yeah, yeah. That is the main point, but I just want to address that.

That all I did was report very directly what was in originally a classified document, unclassified slides. I reported what's in the slide. I wasn't there. However, I became the go-to guy to crap on about it. You know, if I'm wrong about anything, oh, Jesus. However, in this case, we're, I don't, it's undetermined because you and I keep going back to the original sources of the.

these reports and they're sticking by their claims. They are, even today. So a little context for our listeners is the UAP task force is created and it is given an assignment by Congress. Look, we want to report on this. What do you got on UFOs? And they had very limited resources and a limited time frame to put it together. But Jay Stratton and a friend of ours, Dr. Travis Taylor, known for television programs, who was a chief scientist for the UAP task force, they set about to put this together, this report for Congress. 144 cases from 2004 through 2020, 143 of those cases they told Congress have been unidentified. And among them was the USS Russell and the USS. And it's so much more now. See, that's so much data coming

in now that we've opened this Pandora's box of reporting, they were dealing with 144. Can you imagine how many cases they now have or our government has to deal with? But to the main point, I think it's important to say that the big issue is who, is operating these vehicles. Where do they come from? What's their intent? Some UFO cases, a lot of them will be explained. I get them every day in my email and I'm like Starlink, Starlink, Starlink, oh, that's weird. A lot of them will be explained. I'm not interested in those. I'm interested in the ones that are unexplained and have incredible performance like Transmedium capability, the ability to go from space to air to sea without disturbance, without inertial effect. So in this 2019,

swarm event series, which we're going to talk a lot about, there is absolutely no way I can dismiss this case as being prosaic yet. Well, yeah, and neither can the original investigators. So the UIP task force prepares this report. Congress has a hearing. First one in 50 years, a UFO hearing. These two guys show up from the Pentagon, Scott Bray, the deputy director of Office of Naval Intelligence and a guy named Moultrie, a muckety muck for the Pentagon.

And it became pretty clear from that presentation that they were trying to diminish public interest in this topic and to sort of minimize how important this issue is. And the USS Russell is one of the examples that got brought up. By the way, they also mentioned your name in the course of this. The chairman of this commission, he mentions Corbell. And I thought, oh, my God, I'm never going to have it here at the end of this. After he mentions your name in the public hearing. And then they're asked, Adam Schiff, Congressman. from California, asks a very pointed question from this guy, Scott Bray, who had kind of breezed

over these things. Ah, yeah, the USS Russell, this pyramid stuff. It's just a trick of the lens from the night vision. Scott Bray says, after Adam Schiff asks him a question, so have you done your own tests and studies to figure out if that pyramid effect can be duplicated? And Scott Bray's answer was, the UAP task force is aware of studies that have done that, which is a very lawyerly sort of a weasily language way to avoid the question. We're aware of studies that have been done. It doesn't say we've done them. It doesn't say the Navy did them.

And it doesn't say we did studies after the UAP task force to discredit this because there was no organization. The new organization, Arrow, that was called Amsog for a while, didn't exist. It had no director. It had no staff. So them trying to dismiss these cases, including the Russell and Omaha, with one sweep of their hand, was an indication of what we're going to see in the future, I think, of the Pentagon. They want this to go away.

They want media to stop asking questions. They want the public to stop demanding answers, and they're going to try to minimize it every step of the way. We've certainly seen the pressure put on people to not be poking around. So two things. One is, I'm kind of glad. I thought I was hallucinating when they brought up my name in the congressional hearing. I literally thought I was hallucinating. Oh, I'm screwed. I got to do some news reports now, and I'm really hallucinating. But I think he did that. I'm hoping to try to, you know, put it on record

and protect us because journalists who obtain stuff, right, they even ask some question later, like, are there going to be any, you know, repercussions for people? Journalism should be alive and well in America. And so that's what I was hoping that was about. Now, here's the deal, man. we are in a new time where people are asking for answers on this, and our government is trying to get together to best answers. We have a report that will be coming very soon, but additionally, just recently, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2023 passed, and it is a historic piece of legislation. It provides a UFO whistleblower clause that says, if you have been reverse engineering UFOs for the United States military and you feel this has been hidden from Congress,

you can come forward to us. I mean, I don't know who's going to come forward from like Lockheeds or something like that, but at least it is... Well, actually, we do know. Well, we do know. Okay, but I'm just saying it's a big risk for people that come forward still. But I'm just saying we're living in a different time where there is some hope that this process will work, that people that have worked in these UFO exploitation, reverse engineering programs can come forward through a legal fashion and say, yes, part of this program, this is what we're doing. Congress, Senate, they represent us, and they want to know because we want to know. We all want to know. So this could be a very interesting year for UFOs. Well, I mentioned that we

had released some videos and then provided them, made sure that they were available to the Pentagon, which hadn't seen some of it. And then inquiries were sent to the Pentagon, Susan, the PIL, and they had to respond. And the first three times that they said, yes, yes, yes, it's legitimate. It was recorded by the Navy. We were flabbergasted. And so it was. was everyone else. But after that, they clamped up. Then they said, we can't respond to that anymore because I think they changed the policy, right? Yeah, well, that's a whole other thing. Now, anything UFO related is inherently classified or something to that level. Look, there's always going to be one hand trying to cover up what the other hands doing when it comes to UFOs in our

government. We have more than enough evidence to know the phenomenon is real, that it is not us or not some known for a nation, but we're going to get there in our thought process together. I'm sure by having guests on and doing this, I think we should try to give people something that they didn't have yesterday, something that's new today, and kind of describe a little bit about it. There'll be more context put out about it soon. We want to encourage people to go ahead and continue to reach out to us and send us information and we will protect your identity if that's necessary. Protect the source of the information.

A lot of that information is coming into both of us. And I'm going to give an example. Yeah. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed sponsored jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes.

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It is a military filmed image, an intelligence agency filmed image. And it's called the Mosul orb. Mosul, Iraq. Correct. Yeah, this is an image taken over northern Iraq. And, you know, this is fine to put out the image itself and I have some detailed information about it, but here's the very basics. This is in the UFO category within our intelligence community. This is an example of one of the UFOs that our military and intelligence community is looking at.

It's just one of many images. This one is actually a still from a video. It's a brief video, maybe four seconds, where this. orb or this metallic looking ball runs alongside a spy plane. And it is shown in this footage moving alongside the plane without dropping an altitude at all. I don't know if it is a UFO or what a UFO is. It's unidentified. But this is within, I don't know how to say this. This is within, this is part of the conversation of our intelligence community. This is an example of what they're looking at. I know when I first saw it when you first showed it to me. I think,

thought to the USS Omaha. I mean, it's a heck of a lot similar to the craft that was flying around there. Isn't it funny? UFOs are often reported in four basic shapes. You've got spheres, pyramids, cubes, and cigars. I mean, it's like these very fundamental shapes, totally not aerodynamic at all, right? Are cubes in spheres. Yes, spheres in cubes. Yeah, those are not exactly aerosiness. Well, none of them. You got a flying cube? a flying sphere, you know, a flying pyramid and a flying cigar. I mean, these shapes are not aerodynamic. So for purposes of the people listening by audio, they're not going to be able to see this image unless they look it up. But there is. Look it look it up. There it is. Look, there's no one piece of

evidence or footage that is groundbreaking, especially still imagery. But I wanted people today to have a sense of some of the stuff that we're going to be releasing on this podcast. And again, this is a reconnaissance plane in northern Iraq, and this is from a four-second video where this metallic sphere moves alongside the craft without any descent, any falling in any way. And this is one of the pieces of video and photographic evidence that is within the intelligence community saying, this is a UFO. We caught one. What can we determine from it?

And there's just so much of this stuff. You'll never see this in the public realm other than right here is metal. So over the course of the next months for weaponized, we will be covering UFOs in great detail. We will be sharing statements, interviews with people who have never come forward before. We physically will be here with us. We'll be physically be here. We'll be talking to some people who are well known in the field. We'll be talking to people who are well known in other fields.

We are not going to only cover UFOs, but look at conspiracies and cover-ups and documents, crimes, organized crime, the mafia. celebrities, we're going to cast a pretty wide net and try to keep things interesting. Anything that keeps me weaponized, man. I mean, it's like anything that I lose sleepover. Yeah, I mean, this is the idea, things that you and I are interested in, but I think that our audience will also find very interesting. But I'm just glad that we have these talks all the time. You know, I come work at your place, you come to mine, and we get into all these cool

things that people miss context on. They miss the edges because they just see the news report and then they make crazy statements about it. This gives a lot more information, I think, a way for us to really flash out some of the stories that I don't know how we would put out in other ways. This is a real opportunity, I think, for the public to see your and my conversations about this stuff. Want to make it fun? Some of this would spill over into my news reports, into your films, into coast to coast, where I host a show on Sunday nights a couple times a month. And we want to make it fun and interesting. And we're going to be asking our listeners to give us input and send us

stuff and give us ideas. Yeah, it definitely seems to me there's a participatory element, but the main thing is I'm just glad that you and I get to finally have these sit downs, even though I don't have a beer in front of me, we get to have these sit downs and have these talks a little bit more in depth on our time and our own way. And I'm glad that other people can listen to that and see if they find value in that. I'm excited about our guests. I'm excited about having people sit right here who I've always wanted to talk to and find out what's the truth about you. Oh, I know who's coming next. Oh, yeah. I know who the first guest is going It would be good.

All right. Thanks for being with us for the first Weaponized. Yeah, there we go. Look forward to having future conversations and a lot of fun. Awesome. Thank you. Following this new weaponized, the presentation of Jeremy Corbelle, George Knapp, Dark Course Entertainment, and Cadence 13 Studios.

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