WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Anatomy Of A UFO Crash Retrieval

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

How quickly can the U.S. military spring into action to recover - then cover up - the crash of exotic technology that falls from the sky? The answer is - pretty damned fast. An example of this just played out in, of all places, the outskirts of Area 51, the top-secret Air Force facility in the Nevada desert. On September 23rd, an unknown aerial object slammed into the desert floor on public land a few miles outside the boundary of Area 51. Within minutes, the entire base sprang into action, a large swath of public land was cordoned off by armed military security teams, and a cryptic cover story was concocted. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George share some of the details of the crash retrieval operation and how civilian researchers in Nevada were able to collect enough information to know that the Air Force explanation was full of holes - containing not only outright falsehoods but also a healthy smattering of disinformation. Also discussed in this episode: the emergence of Grokipedia - a more informative and much more balanced source of information than its much-maligned alternative, Wikipedia, which has become notorious for its rigged manipulation of all UFO-related content. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A PATIENT SEVENTEEN https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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If these crashes were real, we have to have teams to do that. We do have themes, and we just saw one of them spring in action, and it was like that. Well, how quickly might the government respond to a crash of an unknown object? What happened back on September 23rd, on public land, outside the boundary of Area 51, is a textbook example of how crash retrievals work. And to no one's surprise, pretty much everything told to the public since then is pure fiction. And they're not planning on the go. This was planned out to the tiniest detail.

I mean, they already had thought about the porta-potties. And four days after the crash, the security teams vanished. Arnau went back out for a look. The Air Force had used heavy equipment to plow a dirt road across a section of desert. Arnoux followed it. There's this disturbing knock it off, you know, by intelligence agencies who contact journalists like you and me, you know, kind of telling us what we can or can't out report on or at least hinting at that.

This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp. coming to you from Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbelle. Where are you hanging? Jeremy, you at home? Yeah, I'm hanging in the world of Halloween. Today's Halloween.

People are seeing this. Super excited, man. You know, scary time of the year. I love Halloween. And every year I buy a gigantic piles of candy. And our house is so separated. Well, you know, from there's a distance to the road. And it's dark.

And kids think, don't go near the old nap place, I think. You know, they don't know what. what terrors might be waiting here. So I have to go out to the road and track them down to give them candy. I've come to the conclusion I invested quite a bit this year, way more candy than will ever be handed out. And I've come to the conclusion that milk duds are such a refined, it requires such a refined taste.

I'm going to have to keep those. I don't think the pallets of young kids are sophisticated enough to truly appreciate them. So they're going to be giant bowls of that leftover, I think. Are they scared to come to the haunted nap house on Halloween? Do you have to go out to the street? Well, I think it's more like they're being efficient. It's too much time it takes to walk from the street to our door. So I have to go out to them, really.

I mean, that's comical as hell. But I always buy way too much and give away as much as I can. When I've got an actual kid in a costume, I dump it on it. So you would think I'd be overwhelmed with kids, that were to get around, but that's not the case. What's the, have you ever done like a Las Vegas Halloween party and dressed up as something cool like Dracula? Tell me your best costume you've ever had. Incredible Hulk.

I was in a lot better shape back then, but I body paint and I was Incredible Hulk. I also was a jolly green giant, but that's way, way back in high school, I think. Oh, I went as Lefty Rosenthal, Frank Lefty Rosenthal. Nobody understood that one but you? Yeah, at the time, because it was just a couple of weeks after his car had been blown up. If you've seen the movie Casino, Robert De Niro's character, it's blown up in this car. And Lefie Rosenthal invited me to his house the day after it happened. And he's all bandaged up.

He's Armin is in a sling. He's got burn marks on him. And he wanted to use the media to deliver a message to the mob that he didn't rat him out. He's not telling the FBI anything. They'd invited him to become an informant, and he wanted us to convey the message that he hadn't done it. What an actuality he did. But I had to go to a Halloween party two weeks later,

and I had no costume. I thought, you know what, Lefty Rosenthal? So I had an old blue keepo suit that I threw in the fireplace and burned up, put a bandage on my head, and went as Lefty. I think I won second place in a contest that year. Oh, only in Vegas, man. You as the Hulk or the Jolly Green Giant, I can't wait to see the images that people make of that. But last Halloween, actually, we were together.

And where were we? What did we do? What did we see? You were giving me a musical education. It was cool. We were with somebody. We were at a little place called the Hollywood Bowl to see a guy named David Gilmore. David Gilmore, Halloween, at the Hollywood Bowl, accompanied by a fellow friend of ours named

Ben Snyder, the Brain Trust, the singer-songwriter from Lord Huron, right? That's right. I feel like we're going to see him again. Isn't he ending a tour in Los Angeles this weekend? November 2nd, the last show, I'd like to go. Maybe we can get in. Maybe we can get in. Hey, Ben, you've been on Weaponized.

We want to come see you. Well, look, man, I was really curious. I know that tonight you have a news report coming out on KLAS about a kind of mysterious crash out at Area 51 and you actually went, made the pilgrimage back. I can only imagine what security things when George Knapp enters the valley towards Area 51. But I just wanted to hear a little bit about that today. What was this crash? What did you report on that people can hear later tonight?

And what was it like going out to 51? Well, I'll tell you, I love it out there. You know, you've been out there. We've been there together. And, you know, it's always a good day driving up to Rachel and 51. And this story, of course, caught everyone's attention, got a lot of coverage, but the coverage was about that deep, about an inch deep. The crash occurred September 23rd. Something fell out of the sky about 10 miles outside the boundary of Area 51 on public land.

What really interested me is not so much what the object was, and we'll get into that in a second. It was how they responded. This is an anatomy of a crash retrieval operation and how quickly they moved. George Arnue is our friend. He has the website Dreamlandresort.com, which covers all things area 51. He runs recordings 24-7 of all the radio traffic that comes from the base. And then he gets up in the morning, has a cup of coffee and listens to it. And on the morning of the 23rd, wow, something big had happened.

First thing indicated is that there was a huge secret aerial operation the night before that went on for a couple of hours. There were dozens of different call signs and frequencies that were used. So it was a lot of airplanes, most likely that were using drones. And, you know, the new configurations are these drones accompany the F-47 or some other advanced planes. And they're kind of companions. And they fly around and this drone will go that way and that one will go that way and take care of different threats. It's a force multiplier, in essence.

And it sounds like that's what they were doing. And one of these drones got away and it crashed at an area not far from the ET Highway 375. So he hears the traffic. He hears Area 51 personnel saying it's one of ours. It's our asset that crashed. And boom, they go into immediate action. They locked down Area 51 within minutes. And then they sent teams out and locked down the entire Tikaboo Valley.

All the roads were cut off. there were, when Arnou and others have tried to go to the crash site and fight it, they were met with armed military security, sheriff's deputies, there was a helicopter sitting there. They had thought enough of how to plan for something just like this that they brought porta-potties out and set them there on Groom Lake Road because it looked like it was going to be a multi-day operation. So they graded a road up to the actual crash site, picked up all this stuff, took it away, and didn't say crap about it, didn't tell anybody what was going on. Well, then Yorg and another guy that is a member of his website, find what they think is the crash site and put some video on their website

and it went public and went all over the place. And then whoever is in charge of this crash retrieval decided they had to take more action. They sent another cleanup crew after Yorg put out his video. They sent another cleanup crew with heavy equipment and they covered up the entire area where the debris had been retrieved in a thick layer of dirt. I mean, literally a cover-up. And then they put out a statement. The Air Force put out a statement saying from Crete's Air Force Base, which is really drone central.

They have all these Reaper drones and other UABs from that base. Crete says, ah, that was ours. That thing to crash, that's one of ours, implying it's a drone like a Reaper or something like that. And then they said, by the way, someone is tampering with the site. of the crash. They put all this other wreckage out there from different aircraft, not from drones, and they even had an inert training bomb case there. So we've called in the FBI, and the FBI's

investigating. And, you know, Yorg hears that. I heard it. I thought that doesn't sound right. So he has the recording that shows that that craft, that drone, UAV, was from 51, not from creach. As for the FBI investigating, investigating what? Somebody dumped a bunch of stuff out there to confuse the public. They covered it up. They gathered up the pieces of the real thing, then covered up the rest of them that are under this dirt, and they seeded it with basically physical disinformation. And just to see the whole process work is amazing. How would our military respond to a real-life crash retrieval?

This is it. This shows how they do it. They seal it down, lock it off, issue some lies, and try to intimidate people to stay. away from it. Right. So this is basically, we're watching the anatomy of a crash retrieval in real time. And you've had boots on the ground reporting. So it was ours is what you're saying, but it's from 51. Whatever ours was, it was from 51. Right. Right. And this was a huge operation. There were dozens of planes and all kinds of drones and a lot of different personnel, really big, right in the middle of the night. It went on for a couple of hours. The people who

know this stuff are calling it black flag. You know, there's a red flag exercise every year here in Nevada where different kinds of war planes from all over the world do exercises in training. Black flag was for a similar operation but for black projects that only the insiders, the military, know anything about. So it was very instructive for how a crash operation of something exotic that falls out of the sky, how the military would respond. Well, they responded really well, quickly. Bam. It was interesting to see all the different techniques they use to confuse the public, and in some cases outright lie to the public. Right. Like putting fake debris over a site, especially if this was just something that we're flying out of 51 that's pretty prosaic to go

through all of this and see the anatomy of a cover-up. So Michael and I, so Michael, who's the Wizard of Oz, weaponized, who's not on camera right now, but he can hear us. He's really into Halloween, by the way, to out him on that. We were on a call a couple days ago with this executive and we're just talking about the UFO thing and he wanted to kind of understand stuff and he says, well, look, how can we cover up these crashes? If these crashes were real, we have to have teams to do that. How would you answer a guy like that that is just like a general public? Like, how do we cover this up? Do we have teams of people to do it? It was an interesting question the other day. How would you answer that? We do have teams who can do it. And we just saw one of them spring in action.

And it was like that. And they're not planning on the go. This was planned out to the tiniest detail. I mean, they already had thought about the porta-potties. You know, they got them there immediately. They had a helicopter with a special basket on the side that was going to haul out crash retrieval stuff. And then they had a cover story.

And then they sprinkled in some physical disinformation. I mean, there was a lot of thought went into this planning that took place who knows when. But we just saw it. in real time unfold. Yeah, they've got a team to do this. And I'm sure that there are other teams at other bases, not just in area 51, who would do the same thing. So when you've heard about crash retrievals, like in the past through the history, I mean, I know there's a famous one, Aztec is a famous one that comes up, Roswell, obviously, real famous one. When you've heard about these over the decades, what are some of the things you know as a journalist for a fact

that we've been lied to about with those retrievals? Like, what are some of the things? You know as a journalist for a fact that we've been lied to about with those retrievals? Like, what are some of the methods? Well, Kingman, for example, this is a crash in 1953 that the government has said there's nothing to it. We weren't there. There's physical evidence that they were there, that they sent troops who were there in the desert for a couple of days. You find old kind of cans from that era that are buried in the dirt. There was a team that hauled whatever came down there from Kingman, Arizona, toward Nevada. That was 1953, so Area 51 didn't exist. But what? I was told is that stuff went to Indian Springs, which is now Creech. So, you know, they are able to

move really fast. They don't tell their own troops what they're doing. They don't confide in then what's really going on. We had another example in Needles, Needles, California. It's actually where California and Nevada meet, where this large blue object came out of the sky. It was seen by many people along the way, came from the direction of Central Nevada, Area 51, you can guess, and it crashed in a sandy beach on the side of the Colorado River. We tracked down the guy who saw it. They started seeing surveillance, men in black types in the town for days afterward. And supposedly this giant, these helicopters arrived within minutes,

shining beams of light down to identify where the object was. And then a giant sky crane helicopter came, picked it up, and took it away, and headed back toward Nevada again. So they have assets that they can apply to this. And there are game plans that they've written out. And I'm actually impressed by how well those operations worked and how quickly they sprung into action. As you talk, I've got so many more questions I'm writing down here. Like, we have heard about an underwater retrieval.

Do you remember that at all? You and me hearing about that? Which one is this? I don't know. Yeah, man. So let me make sure that it's something that we weren't told in confidence. We're going to come back to that. But, you know, if retrievals are happening on land, they'll probably have.

and underwater. And there was one event that you and I heard about. Again, I got to go back to my notes and make sure it's something that is appropriate. It wasn't set in confidence. But you can imagine these retrievals. Some people say archaeological digs. I can buy that. But definitely from the air, there have been famous ones. Now, this Kingman one in the 50s, just got a question. We've heard Rooners. It's online that there was a 50s craft that was taken to Lockheed. Am I reaching too far to think maybe could it have been the Kingman crash that was taken to Lockheed? Don't know. I mean, I suppose it could be, but I never was able to make that connection. You know, it's such a long time ago. Most of the people who would have known something about it are gone.

There was a writer and investigator who lived in Kingman named Harry Drew, who was the expert on this stuff. He found the location where at least one of these things came down. He believes that more than one came to the ground. One crashed and was blown into bits, and another one was pretty much intact, and that's the one that was taken away to Nevada. But I couldn't tell you where it ended up. But I think that Kingman crash is real. There's a lot of other information that supports it.

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conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Yeah. So in this theme of anatomy of crash retrievals, you know, we have heard about interactions where two separate groups will descend upon a crash retrieval and that there's conflict between those groups or keeping the public away. Now, I don't know for sure that that's true. I don't have all the details on that. But how do you imagine in this day and age it is reported? Something comes from the upper atmosphere. Maybe we're tracking it. And like, who's the first do you think to get the call or to make the call, would it be like Centcom or? You know, I don't, I can't say for sure.

I don't only be guessing, but it seems like NORAD would know. You know, they're like a block wall in terms of information on this topic. They don't speak about it ever. You can't get anything out of them from FOIA. But they have the sensors, the really big sensors. If it comes out of space, they're the ones that are going to see it. U.S. Air Force, which also is not very talking about these matters. I think they would be the ones that get the.

call, whatever crash retrieval teams exist. I think they're probably housed within the Air Force. There might be some in other agencies, but that would be the first guess. And I know Chris Sharp has kind of reported on this. People can go back and look at his reporting. He's kind of detailed who the prime suspects are, you know, people that already do material collection on foreign technologies and crash retrievals. So I think you can kind of guess who some of those teams are. Now, I'm just surprised that York is running out there, checking out a crash site when he was recently, recently, he was raided by the FBI at multiple locations and OSI. Can you just remind us about that? What happened to our buddy, York, just for having a

website about Area 51? November 3rd, so we're coming up on the third anniversary. Three years ago, in November 3rd, the doors were kicked in at York's home, his home in Rachel, where he was, at his home in Las Vegas where his girlfriend was. Agents come in, held him at gunpoint, kicked him outside, took away all of his computers, his drone, his photos, his camera equipment, took it all away, grilled him a little bit, but never told him what he was being accused of. It's now three years later, almost to the day, and he still hasn't been charged with any crime. His stuff is still in somebody's vault somewhere.

They're never giving an indication of what he did wrong. But, of course, you know, we've spent some time working on this story about this drone crash with him. And I said, well, hey, maybe the FBI is investigating. You'll know some of these guys, which he didn't think was very funny because it's still a sore spot for him, you know, that the FBI had gone in there and took away all of his stuff and kicked in his door and caused a bunch of damage. But you can tell that he is still very sensitive in regards to this because in addition to what he did. did share with us about this drone crash, he would not share additional information, which is he knows the hanger where this stuff is located. And he knows the name of the person, because on this radio chatter, as soon as this thing,

the news spread across Area 51, and right before they said, shut it down, quit talking. The security personnel went to this one particular hanger looking for one particular person, and it was kind of a great big flashing red light pointing to where this particular craft, his aircraft, was housed at the base. He's not willing to say that or share it online or even on his website because he does remember what happened three years ago right around this time of the year.

I'm going to take a little risk here. I've never said this, but I think it's important. And I hear that program names are not illegal to say. You can't describe what they are if people are coming to us, right? But I don't know if you've heard about this, but I've just heard it so many times now. I got to say it out loud. I've never heard it in the media. I heard that two of the program names for UAP crash retrievals are pilfer and pickpocket.

And that, oh, don't talk about that, Jeremy. So I don't know if it's true information or not. Have you heard those two program names, pilfer and pickpocket? I have not. I've heard them now. And if anybody out there in WebUp, The organized world has additional information where our ears are open. The programs that I had heard from years ago when I first was digging into the topic was

Project Moon Dust and Project Blue Fly. Those were to recover things that fell from the sky, most likely aimed at finding Russian tech, Russian satellites and things of that sort. You know, if you dig too deeply into those, people will tell you, they never did really much of anything. I suspect they did. I wonder if we can get confirmation because it's not like a sense. single source stuff. This is for years and I've, I've kind of A-Ied through my notes. And those two names, pilfer and pickpocket, you know, hush-h-h-h, don't say them. At this point, if those are real programs, I want to know. Maybe it'll lead people. So I'm going to kind of challenge our audience right now.

Has anybody else heard of these programs? Can they kind of prove to me that they have heard of these, are these legitimate? You know, I'm open to calls. People can call you and me and let us know if these are actual crash retrieval for UAP programs that go and collect once something crashes. So, yeah, let's hope maybe we get more information. I kind of challenge our audience to look into that. Maybe people can do FOIA stuff and that kind of thing. I don't know, but I'd like to know. Yeah, I mean, those are good names, by the way, good alliteration, pill for pickpocket.

You know, I like that. Yeah, yeah, they're very cool. So the other thing I'm noticing is that this is on public land, this recent crash of an unknown vehicle let it be ours or whatever from 51. But you've dealt with this issue before where there's an overreach on public land, Area 51. Can you remind our audience kind of about that and the importance? You had somebody who was run out of Las Vegas by threats because he accidentally found these sensor systems and showed you on the news and then covered it back up. He didn't damage it or anything. But what happened with that? So you're talking about Chuck.

He wrote the Area 51 viewer's guide. He was a regular fixture up in Rachel. And he had helped me on a number of stories. He'd tell me things he would see, what was going on up there. And he said, it called me up one day and said, I've been finding these sensors way out on public land, miles away from the base, sensors that will alert security at Area 51, who's coming up this road.

Now, this is public land. It's our right to be able to drive on it and hike it and camp on it. and this was miles and miles away from the base itself. It's just a little bit of overkill. So he invited me up. He developed this little sensor system that would identify where these things were, and he'd go over and brush a little dirt off the top of them, and we'd take a picture of it.

And as we were leaving, we'd spend a day out there. As we were leaving the area to head back to Rachel, security guys were looking at us, sitting there, taking down the license plate, and I'm sure that they probably recognized me at the time. And then it was a matter of days with the next day or two days later. Very quickly after that happened, I got a call saying, what are you doing out there? You're trying to get in trouble?

So, no, I'm just doing a story here. This is on public land. We saw this stuff. Who called on the here? A guy from the DOE that I knew. A friend who just had been, he got the job, drew the short straw that called me and warned me to knock it off. And then the next thing I know, the Joint Terrorism Task Force raided Chuck's trailer there in Rachel. He wasn't there at the time, but they kicked in the doors.

They took all his computers, all of his cameras, all the stuff he'd been using to cover Area 51 and the area around Area 51 in its history, took it all away. And then they held over his head for the next couple of years the possibility that he'd be charged with destruction of government property. Because they said that when he brushed the dirt off of these things, he destroyed them. Because, you know, it was a real stretch. But Chuck was intimidated. He left Rachel. He left forever and never came back. Or if he's come back, it's only for a quick visit.

But, you know, he's just a regular guy, a retiree. Even if they couldn't make the charges stick, just the idea of an indictment and that he have to get a lawyer is intimidating because it'd be very costly for him. Same for York, you know. And then there's an earlier episode that highlights the problems of what the military has allowed to do on public land. This crash site, this recent crash site, it's 10 miles outside the boundary of Vera 51. It's public land. But they seized control of it.

I don't know what the legal authority of that is, but they seem to have it. And no one's really questioning it, especially when they're carrying heavy weaponry. but that reminds me of 1984-85, Area 51 was not on the radar screens of the world, but one day it's public land. The next day, there's armed guards. They seized 89,000 acres of public land. Just took it, the Air Force. So you can't come in here anymore.

That's it. Now, if there's ever a way to have a big red, bloody handwriting on the wall that says, look here, we're doing something really secret. that would be it. It was months later when they asked Congress for permission to do what they had already done. Congress then groused about it a little bit, but of course they're not going to say no. I'm sure there were closed-door briefings that told them what it was that they're flying out there, which turned out to be the stealth fighter, but that word was already leaked. It had already leaked out. You know, the Congress not only gave them permission to take that 89,000 acres, but later gave them the okay to take away

access points where people could fly them on Freedom Hill, Freedom Ridge was the name of one of them. A couple of other, there was a mountain that I actually climbed at one point. We could look down on the base. They took those away, too, to protect the public. And now, so there's only one site, really 26 miles away from the base, where you can look down on it. By the way, I want to give another plug to York site, because one of his members has developed a new technique for photographing the base. It's layered photos. He'll take three different photos, put them on top of each other.

Clearest photos of Area 51 I have ever seen. I mean, they're amazingly good. And you can find those on Dreamlandresort.com. But, you know, that's the only place left where you look down on it. And they have a camera up there that'll tell them when somebody's up there, taking pictures or whatever, so they can hide anything that's too sensitive for the public to see. Man, I got so many things from you talk. And I just heard Avi Loeb in your hometown, Las Vegas announced on the Joe Rogan podcast,

they put a sensor system up on the dome, the famous, you know, icon now of Las Vegas. That's a pretty cool project that he's got, right? Yeah. Is it a sensor or is it a telescope? I think it was some kind of a scope, an observatory or something. Which is a sensor system. I think it's a, you know, 265, 360 view with actually less light pollution than they thought.

Sensor system. I just thought it was cool that now Las Vegas is like the hub of a Harvard. study for the Galileo project of having a sensor system to look 24-7 for UAPs. That's pretty cool. I think it should require that they give me a permanent membership to the sphere so I can keep an eye on this project. And we'll see a couple of shows now and then, too. I do see some comments online in reaction to our last weaponized about Avilow, where you mentioned it. I still don't think people pay very close attention to what we actually say. There's a great deal of confusion about you're supposedly given him a bad time and pummeling him for the statements he's made

about this comet, this mystery comet, which I didn't think that's even close to what we said last episode. No. No. Investigate the unexplained. Don't explain the uninvestigated, like you've always said, science and journalism. You know, look, people should go back and listen to the last episode. It is a fascinating one.

We talked about a lot of stuff. But something you said that really hits me is, you know, the chilling effect on journalists. you, starting with Bob Lazar, had six people that received the chilling effect from, you know, government employees trying to get them to not talk to you. And I'm seeing that more and more. There's this disturbing knock it off, you know, by intelligence agencies who contact journalists like you and me, you know, kind of telling us what we can or can't out report on or at least hinting at that. And it sounds like that's kind of what you got with your buddy that was, you know, uncovering these sensors. So I can.

guess it's an issue in journalism and for journalists, but what do you think of that as intelligence agencies nudging journalists to not report on certain things? That's pretty fucked up, right? You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your ocean front room. Just steps from the water. The Hilton sale is on now. Book on Hilton.com or the Hilton app and save up to 20% to get the stay you expected. When you want savings, not surprises. It matters where you stay.

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these spooky departments and things. And we get a lot of information that we're told that we can't report. You know, that's also problematic. I mean, I've been chastised for it over the years. Sometimes you get a great deal of information. You're asked to keep it private. And I've done that, like Skinwalker Ranch and the OSAP program and things like that. You don't like it to drag it out for so long. But in my mind, when those situations come, I know I'm going to report it someday.

I'm going to report it when the time is right. But my intention is always to report those things that I know. without burning bridges with the sources who provided the information. Let's put people on a little hunt now. I'm not sure it's good, but I'm going to do it anyway, which is that you and I, through multiple and separate sources, have heard about what is billed as the largest incursion of a military base in U.S. history by UAP, I think was about a month ago.

And now I've heard it enough times. I think we should put it on people's radar. We heard it was in Texas. And I just, I don't have more information, but I want people to go on the hunt because if it's true, if it's correct, then it's got to hit the media at some point. So I just want to kind of put that out to our listeners. Don't know if it's a good thing for me to do, but I think we should do it. So we just did. Are these orbs?

Are these orbs that were involved? I don't know. I don't want to put out information. I'm not like solid on, but I do, I have heard this enough now that there was a recent encouraging. from multiple sources, and I did narrow it down or hear directly that it was in Texas. And so I just, I'm curious what military bases are in Texas, what happened about a month ago, can people find more information about this? It would be awesome. Yeah, I'll bet somebody out there can help us out, give us a little direction for that thing.

I want to mention two other things before we wrap this one up. One is a guy named Tom Winterton, Thomas Winterton, that fans of the Secret of Skinwalker Ranch TV show will know. Great guy. We've met him before. Yeah, good dude. But he's put out sort of a public request for help. I guess there are plans to build an oil rig, an oil drilling rig right next to the ranch. The Uintabasian is full of oil rigs. I mean, it's an oil rich location. And there's rigs all over the place. but this one would be real close to the ranch itself. He's worried that it will interfere with their ability to carry out their research. I can tell you that drilling into the ground can often have profound effects.

These guys who are building this drilling rig or plan to build it might get some real surprises once they start pounding the ground and right next to the ranch because it's produced strange effects in very dramatic ways for a long time. That's one issue. Two is if it's noisy, if it's disruptive to the kinds of experiments that they're carrying out, I can see why Brandon Fugel and his team would be upset about it. If you follow Tom Winterton or you're a Facebook person, you can find the comments that he's made on his Facebook account.

And I can see why people live in there might want to have their voices heard on this issue. Absolutely, man. Well, there's a cool thing about, you know, freedom of information and accurate information that's kind of occurred. I've started to talk about it. The second I saw it, I made some noise about it, Grockapedia. Have you heard about Grogapedia and what's been going on? Yeah, as an alternative to Wikipedia, which a lot of people see as biased and incomplete, and they're right, by the way, as we know, from personal experience. So Grogapedia is Elon Musk's rival to Wikipedia? Yeah, I mean, I just took one look because I've seen and been tracking for years and you can see these groups that come in with

authority and they put these disparaging comments and twist information with a personal perspective, trying to make it look not like that without good sourcing, all over every major UAP UFO contributor or journalist or anybody that's involved with this topic. And it's so orchestrated and obvious because you can go back and like, look at the history. I can't tell you how many times and how diminished the actual history of my life has been on that. So I just watching other people's stuff and seeing how it's reported. And the moment Elon Musk released version, I mind you, 0.1. So this is like the first iteration.

You jump on to any UFO event, any person involved with the UFO subject, Gary Nolan, Chris Mellon, you, George, Bob Lazard. It gave such a much more in-depth and unbiased, like, clear. Unbiased where you can see the edits in Wikipedia and what they're trying to do. It was cool. It gave me hope and he made this statement saying, you know, that version 1.0 is going to be like 10 times better. I mean, they don't even have images yet, but their links for sourcing information. It is incredible. So I just want to encourage people go check out Graw-Copedia because right now when you want to know something, you might go to Wikipedia, but we've since found out that Wikipedia has been controlled by special interests and that they have these like gangs and groups of people that, and I've seen it with my own eyes, but manipulate, you know, the UFO topic. Well, I'm hoping we're not going to get that with Grogapedia. And to this point, it is pretty incredible. So as a resource, as a journalist, if I want to get like a fundamental base understanding that is unbiased and has great reference links, I am

going to Grogoppedia 100% of the time to begin my research rather than Wikipedia. And I know our friend Lester Nair even created a post about it on X, I highly encourage people to, before it changes, go look at the differences of the people and the events that you know in uphology and mark those differences, track those differences, and try to understand how they were created in the first place, and you're going to uncover the people that are trying to persuade you into nonsense compared to actual, you know, reportable history. I haven't looked at it yet. I'll do so maybe on the weekend.

I look forward to it. You know, if Wikipedia itself gets kicked in the nads, it's their own fault. I mean, you know, it brought it on itself. It's had plenty of warning that this is not going to be tolerated forever. And I'm glad that somebody like Elon came along and provided a good alternative because Wikipedia, at least on the UFO topic, is worthless. It's worse than worthless. It's misleading. I know that Susan Juerbik, the head of the guerrilla skeptics, is a weaponized fan. She listens because I saw some recent

comments from her. Glad to have her in the weaponized family. Yeah, too bad. All the power of that group, the guerrilla skeptics, you know, trying to twist the UFO. You know, reality is now going to be taken from them in a single swoop of AI, amazing farming of information. It'll get better and better. But go look at the templates on Grogapedia and start to understand the differences between the two because that will tell you the lies. Now, Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is California's number one entertainment destination for today's superstars. Catch the Jonas Brothers return to the Yamava Theater stage on April 30th, the powerful vocals of Demi Lovato on May 17th, and the signature Southern Country Rock of

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Two words. James Lackatsky. Dr. James Lackatsky was the head of Ossap, the largest acknowledged UFOs program in the history of the U.S. government. You know, he's a friend of ours, very knowledgeable, tough guy to squeeze information out of if he doesn't want to tell you something, but he is who he is. And he has a plan for how the information comes out. We did get to sit down with him for KLAS, and that's going to be airing Friday night by the time that this weaponized episode comes out. It'll be on the air. And then there's a much larger interview, longer, more in-depth that is being done for my favorite podcast,

weaponized. That's dropping soon, right? Yeah, I can't wait, man. So early next week after the news report comes out, people are going to see probably a multi-part in-depth interview where I think we are able to take it further. And again, I understand the criticisms of Dr. Lasky. I love the guy. I love the fact someone like that really is by the book. But when you get you and me squeeze in him, you know, sometimes non-answers are huge answers. And I did notice that he answered one question with, I don't know anything about that. And he answered many other questions with, I can't talk about that. Yeah, when you're talking about like biologics and beings and I can't

talk about that, that is a very telling answer. So people need to read between the lines. I would say Dr. Lasky is for disclosure, not uncontrolled catastrophic disclosure because he's a patriot and lives in America like us. But I did get the sense this time that he really is for disclosure and that he's pissed and that he's pissed and that he's identifying, I believe he was identifying a counterintelligence operation.

It was just their jobs. I'm going to save that for the episode. People can hear what he said. But he really did identify what he thought was a counterintelligence operation. We were played like a fiddle is what he said. He meant all of us. And I'm really excited to be able to broadcast

that. So let's shoot for early next week after the news report. Last thing. Or go ahead. If you have more to say about LACA. I was going to say there are two things that jumped out at me that people should look for. One is something he shared with us about Senator Harry Reid, the guy who has set up majority leader secured funding for Ossap to even exist. He's got a surprise coming on that. And two is Kona Blue. So this was a program that was proposed by Lekatsky and his colleagues to Department of Homeland Security. There was quite a bit of support for it for a while, and then supposedly it went away. Did it?

He said a couple of things that made me think that maybe it didn't. And we're just going to have to wait until the interviews play. Okay, yeah, excited to get that out. I guess last note is I noticed that my three films are now on YouTube, and I just want people know for Halloween if they want to watch something. I'm excited because it gives like instant direct free access to people. So patient 17, my first film that was a Netflix film. And then a hunt for the Skinwalker based on your work and your book and are going to the ranch before this was ever allowed to be filmed and put out in any kind of movie or TV form.

So you kind of go back to the original hunt for the skinwalker also on YouTube for free. And then of course, Bobazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers, which people should brush up on. So those three movies are available now on YouTube, which is really neat. I hope people watch them because I think you and I got more coming out as time goes on, George. Yeah, can't wait to get started on some of the other projects that have been simmering for a while. All right, I got to go to work. Talk to you later.