WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - BOB LAZAR Abducted Austin Texas - But Don't Worry, It’s Probably Nothing!

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George do some globe-hopping in their coverage of UFO-related developments, starting in Austin, Texas, where UAP luminaries gathered in a classy movie theater to chat about recent developments and were thrilled by the appearance of a surprise guest: the one and only Bob Lazar. Also discussed: the demolition of debunker arguments regarding an astonishing UAP incident, as recorded by an American Reaper drone flying near the Jordanian-Syrian border in 2021. To the astonishment of no one, the U.S. government’s singular spokesperson for all matters related to UAP was blissfully ignorant of the case (and/or purposefully dodgy and unhelpful), thus once again demonstrating the Pentagon’s deep and abiding commitment to UAP transparency, such as it is. Also mentioned: an historic and perilous intrusion of Papoose Lake (S-4) by a courageous but unauthorized investigator, and the ambitious plans of Rep. Burlison, who says he’s received permission from the White House to personally visit off-limits locations, including Area 51. 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.com 👽 MAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbell 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclips 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• SHOUT-OUTS IN THE EPISODE Chris Ramsay https://youtube.com/@Area52Investigations Jesse Michels https://youtube.com/@JesseMichels Dan https://youtube.com/@OFAMpodcast Xander https://youtube.com/@TheDreamlandMotel Clint https://www.youtube.com/@ClintWeldon UAP Gerb https:/youtube.com/@UAPGerb Brigham & Ways2Well https://ways2well.com Luigi (Bob Lazar doc) https://projectgravitaur.com Marik https://x.com/MvonRen Chris Sharp & Liberations Times https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp & https://LiberationTimes.com Matt Brown https://sunofabramelin.substack.com Big Shadow (whisky) https://shop.bigshadowspirits.com Duncan Trussell https://youtu.be/oTlSQ0QuDMU Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers (free) https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠ HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠ PATIENT SEVENTEEN ⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Videos were said to be obtained from military archives and released to the public by investigative journalist Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp. If it stands the test of time, which I suspect highly,

with high confidence that it will and beyond that, I think this video the first time where we get to actually see incontrovertible proof that there's a technology that can do and perform in ways that we've only heard about, like from people like Commander David Fravor. Has Bob Lazar been asked to testify? Yes, multiple times, not just to me. There was a guy that you were friends with. He died of an exotic cancer. but he actually belly crawled for a lot of the way,

all the way into Papu's looking. So can you tell that story? And he's not a UFO guy, but he said he was out there and saw, in essence, a door open up in the middle of the lake bed, a door of light and things came in and out. And he was spooked. Nonetheless, a lot of his files, a lot of his footage,

his home video is here. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, hunkered down in my UFO bunker here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell, who has been off gallivanting, cruising with UFO types, and faraway locales, carousing, I guess, too. Jeremy, what was that all about?

You know, first of all, George, you know, don't show your jealousy so much you weren't with me. And second of all, I was abducted to Austin, Texas, and, you know, it was probably nothing. You know, here I am in Las Vegas, toiling in the vineyard of the First Amendment, and you're cavorting, right? Carousing, cavorting? What was the occasion? What was the event? Right. So it was just a wonderful excuse, as you told everybody last week, you know, is my birthday and you gave me a new name and a lot of people were yelling that name at me in public, which was interesting. I was actually, it's a great excuse to go see a bunch of friends out there, but very specifically, Chris Ramsey. and Jesse.

Everybody knows like Chris Ramsey and Jesse have their own, you know, podcasts, but they do work together. So what they ended up doing is this live UFO show called It's Probably Nothing. And I had no idea what to expect. And I didn't want to know. What was so exciting to me was, are there going to be surprises? So it was kind of like you'd imagine a live podcast, but with like special guests. And so that was kind of my reason or my excuse to go out there.

But going out there, I got to see a whole bunch of friends hang out with people that I've only seen through this screen that cover the same topic as us. So I got to do a little counterintel and figure out if they're good folks. And turns out they are. So so goes to Jesse Michaels, Chris Ramsey, it's probably nothing. They've got another one coming to Montreal. Definitely go see it. It was kick ass. Let me do a little rant here because it was so much.

fun. I want you to be jealous. I got to hang out with my friend Brigham and his wife Amanda. Brigham, you know, very famously runs Ways to Well, which is in Austin, Texas. And, you know, they give you like the alien DNA and like stem cells and it makes you like, you know, keel up, which is amazing. Shout out to Brigham. Dan Cleary, he's a friend of ours. He also has a podcast called Others from Another Mother. And he was kind of the glue that weekend. He kept making me go out and meet with people. And, you know, I'm, I seem like an extrovert, but sometimes I act like an introvert. But I got to meet some really great folks.

So the podcasters was there was, um, night shift, which is a cool one. Everybody knows in the UFO land. Um, it's a guy named Clint who runs it, got to hang out with him. Um, Zander who runs Dreamland motel. And George, I think you would love this one because he's got the ASMR voice or something where he's like really soft and talking through. But he released one a long time ago. It was all about Bob Lazar.

And I couldn't believe it. He didn't get anything wrong. So he puts a lot of effort every week in doing these long form, kind of like UFOs to go to sleep to. But you can't sleep because it's so good. So that's Dreamland Motel with Xander. And then look, the fans. The fans were amazing. Well, first of all, shout out to UAP Gerb because he was part of the production.

with Chris Ramsey and Jesse Michaels. He was one of the main guests that they had on and did his acronym thing and talked through all. And he has really opinionated points of view about how the legacy UFO program structure works and how far we've gotten in reverse engineering. So we went all out and we played like, you know, all these games in a bar

and we got to really talk all of us together and compare our ideas, which were not always the same. We didn't agree. but that's the coolest thing. We would say, well, why do you think that? A bunch of UFO nerds. It was really fun.

And then, you know, the fans. The fans is why, and you feel it when you do something live or behind this computer a bunch. People that like this subject, they all have a story. Every single one of them have a story. Even if there are a plus one, that's their story. So I got to meet at that event, the Paramount Theater. I mean, over a thousand people that were fans of the UFO topic. and got to talk with them and hear them

because I had like an hour and a half before and I'm just there as a fan myself watching the show. So I just got to, man, I got to meet so many great people. So shout out to whoever I met and gave a sticker to for me and George Knapp said, UFO is a real? I'm talking about you. And then finally, George, the coolest moment, this top secret moment, right?

They premiere the trailer for the first time of the S4 movie, the movie that's coming out, the documentary about Bob Lazar. Screen comes down, they premiere it. Now, I might have spies everywhere, so I knew what was going to happen. But all of a sudden, he goes, oh, yeah, and Luigi, the guy that made the movie, and Bob Lazard. And Bob Lazar comes walking out, his red tennies. You could see how uncomfortable he was, because we know him. But, man, he got so much love.

It wasn't like in 2018 when we did the premiere together of my film, George, and we were like, are people going to try to hurt him? It was just all love. And that was really neat. He's really influenced before UFOs are cool. And before we know that our government has said they're real, which he doesn't even believe we're at this point. It was a different world. So that was the experience.

It was so cool. And you missed out. And I'm never going to let you forget that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bob Lazard, Paul McCartney. I've heard it all before. Did Bob say much? No.

No. No. you know, it was funny. He said, you know, the movie, it's, it's exactly like what I saw. He's like, it really deeply struck him, I think, to see it again after 40 years now. But it's funny. He goes, I really don't have much more to say. So there wasn't any like, you know, tell us some of what happened, tell us some of the details. What do you know that we don't? It was more just him acknowledging that it looks like what he saw, which is really neat. because you're going to be able to experience that.

You know, for our audience who are not familiar with the project that's come in this S4 movie, you know, I saw some grumbling, the usual grumbling you see on social media, whenever Bob has mentioned at all, oh, here comes Lazar again, pushing this or pushing that, or, you know, he's back on the circuit. And Bob did not push this film. He did not ask for the film. It wasn't his idea. He wasn't asking for a movie or documentary or any attention at all, but he was approached by Luigi, the guy who's making the movie.

the film and financed it with this idea for a virtual reality version of S4. Let's recreate from your memory, Bob, what S4 looked like inside. Not for a film, this virtual reality imagery stuff. And then Bob being Bob, he was attracted to the tech involved, the whiz-bang digital recreation stuff. Of course he would love that. And then one part of the idea was, I think Luigi rented a DeLorean and took it out on the dry lake bed where we used to have the desert last event and had Bob driving around. They age regressed him, I suppose, and suddenly over time, it morphed into a film. And I know there have been a couple of times when it was announced it was going to be released.

And it looks like, what, March now, it's coming out? Yeah, I'm not exactly sure. I mean, look, you're in the film. I remember we went to your house and, you know, we all filmed for a day. And he wanted to show everything up to 1989 is what he said. And you're featured in the film as well. showed you up on the trailer, so I know you're in it. And yeah, I think it was very organic. I remember talking with Bob, you know, day one about this when Ouija contacted him. And it was like he's

building a physical replica to spec of, you know, the sport model. And I think that grew into, hey, we could do something cooler. You know, we could create like a virtual reality. And then, you know, they went down one path. Then they found a better way to do it through this program called Blender. so then they like revamp the movie and then I know he's been doing more interviews and filming with people. I am sure it's going to be awesome and visually stunning. And, you know, with Bob, everybody wants to see what did he really see. And, you know, Bob says, to down to the finite detail, this is what I saw.

And I put the goggles on before and seen the virtual disc. And it's absolutely incredible. So I'm really excited, you know, for Bob. He's not somebody that has ever gone out and sought anything. But I think he got pulled into the technology, like you said. And now, look, he's got to do something. He's got to do at least a podcast. He's got to do at least something to, you know, it's a movie about his experience.

Well, we know what it's like to try to cajole him into going on stage and interacting with the public. It's not easy. So I'm glad that the folks in Texas got to see it. It's a rare thing for sure. And I doubt there will be many more of them, but wish I'm nothing but the best for this for this film project as for when it comes out. And we'll keep our listeners informed about the exact date if and when we know that. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

I am a fan. Always have been. That is the thing that sparked me as a kid. And how many times people came up to me at that event? I'm just sitting there. And the dialogue was, you know, George bringing Bob Ford, that moment sparked people's curiosity. It weaponized mine, George. And I think it really had such an impact, you know, on people.

And I think you forget that. And so I think it's kind of neat to see that reemerge. You know, I think being reminded of what Bob told you now is different than being reminded of what he told you when I made my movie, you know, in 2018. You know, so it'll be really interesting. People are seeing you now talking about it. And probably back then, there's probably clips of you back then talking about it. So it's kind of neat. You mentioned Dan Cleary.

So I have been remiss in thanking Dan for a very generous gesture on his part. And I've got it right over here. You have been remiss. Some of our audience might remember the congressional hearing back in September. and each of the five or six people that was up there on the dais, they had these little name tags in front of them with each of our names on it. And Dan, who was there in the audience and traveled with us to that event, was, had enough foresight to go ahead and grab those name plates.

And he put them in a frame. Wow, that is so cool. And that's pretty awesome. So he's got one and I got one because there were. or two of those nameplates for each of the speakers that day. And it's kind of a not exactly one of a kind of a kind thing. And I wanted to say thanks to Dan. And I'll call him as well for it.

But that's a pretty cool thing. It's going to go up on that wall right there. What a neat moment. You know, that moment was shining bright. And, you know, and then Charlie Kirk got murdered. And the media swept into what it should, which is like what happened. but that moment that you guys were up there and it is recorded and people are now really starting to look back at what happened. There's even a magazine, the Oh High Mag did this six-page spread about the hearing and it was really impactful and it's reverberated.

So it was they were kind of like, okay, we've heard some great witnesses like what's next? And they actually released footage that day. And I've heard some conspiracies about that and I just want to nail that on the head real quick. you know, people, they should theorize, like, how did Congress get it? Who dead dropped it to Burleson? All I can tell you is, you know, you and I knew about it, for sure. You know, we had talked about it before, but it wasn't me. And additionally, I know Matt Brown was there. And people are like, well, what was he doing there? Matt Brown came because I invited him as my guest, because everybody wanted him there. All the Congress people wanted him there. That's why he came,

because he hasn't had a chance to raise his hand and to testify yet for a variety of reasons that are not on him. And so that's why he was there, but I can tell you definitively, he had nothing to do with that video either. So I think it's really, I think questions are really good, but I also think demystifying them once you go down that road is really important. So Matt Brown was there because I invited him and he was there because everybody in that group was to support the people who were speaking. That was actually the first time Bob Lazars' name was ever mentioned in a congressional setting. And that was Dylan Borland, who dropped his name. And that's funny because it comes up a lot. Why doesn't Bob testify?

Well, he's scared. He won't testify. He'll go up on stage. He won't testify. Man, you just haven't been paying attention. He did say in a UFO revolution that TV show I put out, I asked him why on video. And he explains why in that episode.

episode. So has Bob Lazar been asked to testify? Yes. Multiple times, not just to me, to other, yeah, to you. And so, you know, we would. And there is a world where Bob does testify. He's no problem testifying. He's already said it all. He's done lie detector tests. He testified. But, you know, he also has a little bit of a distrust for the process. And we've seen that in action while we're there by not Congress, but a lot of the staffers. And I don't know. CIA, people that were spooks, like Rep. Birchitt said that he was approached not to say my name and then said it anyway into the microphone. He's a gangster. And he said that on Andy's podcast, that UFO podcast, he explained what happened. So you and I have seen the Tom fuckery. And I can totally understand why Bob wouldn't want to raise his head above that parapet again. I don't like going to you see. It's spooky. But he's been asked. I, the first time I was asked to ask him if he would do it, maybe five years ago. Yeah.

And my initial, I was, I had reservations, but I asked him. And maybe I was pushing him in that direction. And he said, yes. If you think it's a good idea, yes. Yeah. And after a while, after thinking about it, I'm sorry that people will be mad at me for this, but I advised him not to do it. I, you know, he's told his story.

He does not owe uphology anything. He's been crapped on for more than 30 years by this topic and all the major players in it. It's not like he needs validation from UFO people. And you can see just him popping up on that stage in Austin, all the same crap gets dragged up all over again. And, you know, I think it gets pretty old at this point. I remember interviewing him here in Las Vegas in maybe 2016 or somewhere around there. he came to town and, you know, he closes the interview with this, is the, you know, people that don't believe you and doubt your story.

Great, good. My advice is spread it around. Tell everyone you know that you don't believe it and it's not true and leave me alone. So I don't think it would have been a good idea for him to testify. I would have been a pretty dramatic moment, but the story's been told, you know, and the attacks on his credibility would start all over again. I didn't think it would be a good idea for him. And I think that he trusts you with that.

And he has fluctuated as he's seen how the hearings have proceeded. And maybe one day, maybe we will see that. But, you know, he's done, done it. And I think you're right. So that's always a personal choice. But just to kind of set the record straight, you know, people need to understand that. And if we don't tell them, they're not going to know that. You know, so that there's a lot that happened behind closed doors for each hearing.

I mean, a lot, you know. And so all of that, all of that should be explained to the public at some point, like what the resistance was to certain witnesses. What are they looking for now? How do they move the ball forward? And decisively, you know, it's two things, I think. You know, one is footage that actually shows something impossible. That's one. They're on the hunt for footage to show the American public, although we offered it to them and we didn't get there eventually because of issues. And the other thing I think they're looking for is locations. Go knock on doors and actually show them, audit them. If anybody can do it, you'd imagine it's the, you know, the people in charge of the purse strings of the black budget, whoever that is now, as well as, you know, people that would have access. And I think they're, I know they're trying, but I've also been told by people at those locations that they can just show them a different room, that they don't need to show them legally.

Congressman Burleson, so I know you've been traveling so you weren't in the news cycle and paying attention to social media and newspapers, but Congressman Burleson, our friend and who we trust and who was an integral part of those congressional hearings, says that the president has given him permission to visit some of these particular locations. I'm not hopeful that he's going to find something. I am glad that he's got ahead and give it the effort that it deserves and at least try to shake the trees and see what falls out a little bit. But he's committed. He's pretty committed. I know people that have the appropriate clearances to see anything, a couple of them. And if they're being genuine, they just weren't shown.

So I'm not sure about, you know, the access, what it really gets you. Didn't you famously, like, have the guy in charge of the black budget programs go to S4 and, like, try to go see it? Didn't that happen? Somebody tried before. It did happen. And it was weird that one single day there was a freak snowstorm. Storm so thick. It was horizontal snow.

It was blowing so fast. He made them let him in to the base. And he made them helicopter. him over to Papoos or the hill above Papoos and got out and looked around and couldn't see the end of his arm. So he got back in and went away. But he didn't find it. And of course, when he went there, it was already seven, eight years after Lazar was there and the story had gone out. So they would have had plenty of time to bulldoze some more dirt on top of it, I would imagine. Yeah. Well, I think that'll be an interesting thing. There was something said about, you know,

visual evidence of of Papoos, of site for being there. Now, we've had, George, we've had people testify. I have personally talked with numerous people who have been on Papoose Lake. And they've explained to me the security. They've explained to me. And these are people that are not necessarily wanting to go public, but fully vetted and verified. And they usually encounter just the security teams, all black, like from a certain agency.

or a certain group, but really famously too. And I think we have to remind people because we forget our past, there was a guy that you were friends with. He died of an exotic cancer, but he actually belly crawled for a lot of the way, all the way into Papoose. So can you tell that story and tell us who that was, when it was, and why you thought that was important?

Well, he was an historian. He was tracking the routes that were taken by the 49ers. who came west from the eastern part of the country to get to California, to hunt for gold, to set up businesses. And he believed that that group had traversed what is now the Nevada test site, or used to be the Nevada test site. That was Jerry Freeman? Yeah, Jerry Freeman. Came right across Papoose through the Nevada test site and onto California. And so he boldly sneaked across the line into the Nevada test site, which is gigantic. And it's pockmarked with radiation from above-ground atomic test, below-ground atomic test

as well, all kinds of exotic materials and dangerous substances. And he would travel, walk by night, so he wouldn't be seen, and he would sleep by day. And he basically crawled all the way across the Nevada test site, got to Papoos. And he's not a UFO guy. But he said he was out there and saw, in essence, a door. open up in the middle of the lake bed, a door of light and things came in and out. And he was spooked. He didn't know what the heck it was. He did eventually find evidence that the 49ers, a group of them at least, had been across Papoos. They had carved something in rocks, but he was

right there on the side of it. He did see evidence of activity, military types moving around at an area where they say there has never been a facility. There's never been anything there, even though we can see on the satellites a road that goes right down there where Lizar says he worked. Yeah, I remember that. I mean, people forget, you know, Lazar paid for himself to get at a certain time of day a Russian satellite because U.S. wouldn't do it, but a Russian satellite to film over that area before like Google Maps and before all this stuff. And in that image, there is what looks like a circular, a lenticular disk. And you guys found that he actually. had it on the inside cover of the sport model that Testors Corporation made. So I know that even Bob was so interested to see before they brought that like iron curtain down of absolute nothing to see here move on.

Another thing about Jerry Freeman, I actually have the audio, the audio where he describes, because he called into coast to coast at some point. So he describes the rumbling of the ground and the opening of that door of light. and, you know, if appropriate, I think we should put that in, insert that audio into this episode because it was really impactful to hear not a UFO guy who ended up dying of the cancer allegedly from crawling around all the test site stuff. But, you know, basically, and you have all of his photos and notes, and I went through that whole box at your house.

It was spectacular. So shout out to Jerry Freeman, rest and peace. Without describing specifically what's in the photographs. It's a magnificent clear photograph of Tappoon's Lake taken in the daytime. During the daytime now, I got within a mile of the lake bed. And I had a powerful set of binoculars. It looked like a dry lake bed to me, nothing else. Well, that's what it is.

But at night, it was a different story. So he came from the other direction. And this is supposedly before S-4 was built. Well, the 49ers came true before it. But he was out there when S-4 was operating? He did his stuff what it was operating. He did it like two years after Bobbord. story came out, but he had no idea about the UFO stuff.

This guy is an archaeologist. His name is Jerry Freeman, and he had an idea. He wanted to track the history of the 49ers, the groups of settlers who came across the country in 1849 to get to the California gold fields. So he had a unique idea. He infiltrated the Nevada test site from the south and the west and traveled all the way across it. He sneaked across it, avoiding security, knew he was trespassing, but he would travel at night and hide under rocks and in caves during the day. He made it all the way up to Papu's Lake. This was in, see, the story is 1997. So it's after the Bob Lazar story has come out.

This guy has no idea about Bob Lazar. He has no idea about flying saucers. He's not into that. But he traveled all the way up to Papu's Lake. and in his story, and I inherited a lot of his files, he says he was out at night by Papoose, and all of a sudden out of nowhere, a door opens up. I mean, like just a door in space,

a light, a bluish light that opened up, a door way to who knows where, and then poof, it was gone. This guy had no idea about flying saucers, Bob Lizar, John Lear, any of this stuff, but that's the story he told. Unfortunately, as he traversed the Nevada test site, he ran into pockets of radiation and got contracted cancer and died. Nonetheless, a lot of his files, a lot of his footage, his home video is here. I got it.

It's a great story. The arch. The huge stone arch depicted in this photograph does not exist, he says. The Department of Energy has decreed it so. Why? Because you and I might want to see it. and it's within a stone's throw of Yucca Mountain, which was designated as the nuclear repository. So basically, he was petitioning Senator Reid to say, look, that stone arch is out there. The Department of Energy doesn't want to admit it because people would want to see it, and it's a crime to not allow people to see it.

As far as the Department of Energy goes, doesn't exist because they don't want people asking to see it. They don't want people to access that. This guy did. He got out there, took pictures of it, and petitioned. Senator Reid and others to acknowledge that it's out there and to let people in to see it. And that is, that is his, his arc of the covenant. That's what he went there for. He found that carving 1849 in some rocks adjacent to Papu's Lake. And that was one brave dude and committed. And that's pretty ballsy. The guy could have been arrested, thrown into jail. I think there were people who wanted to throw him into jail after he admitted his story that he'd

trespassed because it was pretty clear that in fact he'd been out there two years after Bob story how do you even get on that land without getting from the west and they didn't stop him sensors nothing it is a gigantic facility and he slipped in my man can't he traveled at night and he hid under rocks and he knew he shouldn't be there right oh no he knew he was trespassing Well shit, he didn't know for S-4 to look for the fucking hole in the side of the mountain. He didn't care about that. He was looking for the rocks.

They, that carving right there that he took the picture up. Fucking nerd! That was the big prize for him. But while he's there, hiding, that's when the door opened up. No way. He said he saw the door all over now. And he's not a UFO back. And he doesn't know that shit. He has no idea about the shit.

No fucking way. And he died from radiation stuff? Yeah. He's sitting out there in the dark. Holy fuck, what the hell is that? And there's light inside. And a door opened from the side of the mountain. That's where it bought.

Not inside the mountain, right in the middle of the desert. In nothing, nothing's there. There is no side of the mountain. It opens in complete darkness in the middle of the desert. You're not saying the floor opened up. No, I am saying he's sitting here looking. Out of interdimensional space, a door opened with light behind it. Yeah. And he said this to you.

Yeah. And he, okay, but he came to talk to because he knew you were into this area. Yeah, but he came to me, but I didn't get to do the story. It ended up being somebody else because I wasn't there at the time. So there's some shit going on out at S-4 that is way beyond our imagination. Yeah, and this guy, like I said, not a UFO guy, dream lately different adventure. It looked like a dry lake bed to me, nothing else. Well, that's what it is.

At night, it was a different story. What did you see that? I can clearly see what we're seeing. security lights on the parameters and I could see lights that opened and closed near the center of the lake. I felt vibration. I know I wasn't imagining it because there were real bits of sand coming down just on the other side of this little watch and I could see them. And I thought, well, hey, an earthquake. Well, then I realized, no, this is not an earthquake. It continued and continued for maybe nearly two minutes. It's something they're testing either directly underground or I was feeling vibrations completely

from Groom Lake. I don't know. I think if they'd have caught me in there, that it'll let me up like a Roman candle. I wanted to mention briefly, the New York Post did a couple of stories this week. I've seen one of them about the Russia files. I don't want to belabor the point, but I detected the hand of Jeremy Corbell involved in this. He goes, you know, the New York Post, at least somebody who claims to work for the Post, is not always positive about UFO matters, right? Or disingenuous, actually. We've heard that guy is dealing with this. Yeah, there are some writers there that they actually reached out to me. And they've done some excellent work.

They report the facts. Like, isn't that kind of what journalism is? You just report what you know. And then you tell people if you suspect. So, yeah, New York Post did two great articles. One on the, it was one episode. They did two articles on, actually, because that episode where we released the footage, you went through this whole history of what happened with Russia and how you got the documents

out everything everybody wanted to watch. So I tell everybody, watch the last previous episode and follow along about it. Because you see the footage that you took while in Russia. And you explained it all. So New York posted a great article. And then they did one on our two most recent drops because they happened so quick. It was like a Sharako. I mean, one week and then the next.

And this last one, I think we should talk about, but not getting off Papuice yet. I'll tell you this. I have filmed with, and I'm not able to put that footage out, but a very renowned scientist. That scientist, one of that scientist's jobs, and this was like I filmed, God, 2013 with him, one of his jobs was to not physically install, but work on this radar system over Papoose.

explicitly he said to me to determine the visibility and essentially the crosshairs of UFOs that come there. That's what he said he did. Now he's got an illustrious career. He's done a bunch of other things

in the world of energy and physics and I have that recorded. And when I'm given permission, I will put that out. And it's a pretty incredible interview. So Papoose has always been a place of mystery. Lazar said it first.

You heard it on George Ness. You know, little tiny talk show back in the day first. Anyway, thanks to the New York Post for those articles, and I hope they do more serious stuff on this. And I hope that nobody else associated with that paper is having palpitations because of the coverage. I love it. It's so great, man. I don't even read that shit, man. You know, but I'm, I agree.

So regarding the two videos, in particular the last video, there's been a lot of discussion about it online, of course. Where do we take that next? Now, I know that there have been inquiries made to Arrow to the Department of War. Hey, what can you tell us about this? How were those people received by spokespersons for the Department of War who deal with UAP matters? Yeah, I mean, well, there's two notable responses. I think we can probably show one or two of them here. The one that was most, they basically say the same thing. The one that was most, I think, insightful and thoughtful was Chris Sharp. Chris Sharp, I can show you probably what he wrote to get a response from Susan Go.

You know, and what the response was, you know, is essentially, we have nothing for you on this alleged UAP leak or something, whatever it was. And that's what they always say now after that one brief, glorious moment when they admitted this is military film footage of Unidentified. So Chris Sharp got a great response. I know a lot of other people did too. And it was like basically the same thing. We've got nothing for you on this, which is they're not saying yes or no. They're saying we're not going to tell you. And the question is about the legitimacy of the video.

Like we know, I actually found out later, we found out later people that actually ordered that assessment because we got some calls. There were some official calls made to people and unofficial. So it was kind of interesting to hear on our end, I think the back, you know, what happened after? What did you notice about the government response? Because if Arrow had this video, which they absolutely had and had access to, why aren't they putting out the good stuff? No, I mean, first the statement itself, the two statements that I read that came from the same person, how carefully parsed the language was. not even acknowledging that she knows what the video is or whether anyone there has seen it until the podcast episode.

Being very careful not to give it any credibility at all and not give a hint about whether analysis was done. Is it real? Has any determination been made by Arrow or somebody else that it can be explained? Because as you and I have said many times, if it can be explained, explain it. Cross it off the list. We don't care. We don't have a dog in that fight. We'll share the information. We know the insiders say, it's UAP. We slowed it down. We can't figure it out.

You know, they're not dummies. The pilots, sensor operators, the analysts who work for these agencies, different intelligence operatives, they're not stupid. If it's a balloon, they should be able to figure that out. If it's birds or some of the kind of plane, I did see something interesting on X. People had tried to invoke GROC. Well, let's get GROC to solve this. Cool. And GROC was wrong.

Grock says something in response to an argument that Merrick was having to somebody on on X. Grock says, oh, yeah, well, the white, that indicates it's hot. And then I think Merrick corrected it. No, white means it's cold. Oh, Grock says, oh, yeah, that's right. Grock has delusions. I'm glad that somebody tried that and publicly went through that. Look, Merrick's been a pit bull on this.

you know, his, well, first of all, what you're seeing, I'll say it one more time, what you're seeing, our audience, what you're seeing is our own government's examination of the footage that they labeled apparent instantaneous acceleration of a UAP. So this is not just like we got some video and cut it up. That is the official analysis stream that you're seeing. That's why it's in parts. So Merrick has been a real pit bull because he looks at the mental gymnastics and the ridiculous things to try to confuse people, try to confuse the public. So people have really shown their cards. A lot of the debunkers, not the skeptics, the debunkers have shown their cards because

every time they try to get away with some nonsense and hide behind technical jargon or just, you know, some sort of disingenuous statement immediately. I've seen. I looked at that. he's jumping in and being like, nope, and here's why. Nope, and here's why. And then he'll give you like a video, little explanation visually so you can see why. The number one thing people should look at is why it's not camera movement.

No changing of lenses, like in the Tick-Tac thing, you know, in the earlier part. You can see the ground continuing to move in one direction when the object literally appears to shoot off. And that instantaneous motion, you can see the ground continue moving. And then in this one, the operator pans out, I think about four times, and then follow goes to the right because that's where they saw it go off. It's just so blatantly obvious with the human eye, but then Merrick goes in there, doesn't let him get away with anything, and tells the truth. And that's been so cool to see. Well, it's just amazing that that case comes out. The video gets a lot of views. It gets coverage all over. I have to anticipate that there's going to be more mainstream news coverage of it going forward because nobody can explain it. They haven't been able to debunk it. And there is Arrow and the official spokesperson asked about it and they can't say squat. What happened to the age of transparency? Hey, we're going to get to the bottom of this. We're going to study it hard, Arrow, and we're going to share the results. They're not sharing anything. You know, if this was explainable, why not confirm it? Why not? We know that MQ and I reapers exist. You're not given

any way technological secrets that they fly them over Jordan and Syria, especially at that time in 2021. What is the risk of acknowledging that it was recorded there and that they haven't figured it out yet? Why not be transparent? I mean, UFOs exist and so does the deception of arrow. Both of those things are real, right? And so we know, and we've said before, and we've even, Dr. Lackatsky, who ran the DIA's largest UFO program, no, the largest acknowledged UFO program in American government history. He even said that Arrow is acting disingenuously, that they are acting like an operation, a disinformation campaign. He said it on our show with us. So, you know, I'll say it a number of times, like, look, I would love Arrow to be, I'm sure there's really good people.

at Arrow. So I would love for them to show us the good videos. So it doesn't have to come through journalists who take great care and making sure that legally we can put it out. It's their job. Why don't you just do it? Show us the ones that are mystifying that do show the five observables. We know they exist. We've seen them. Other people will see them. They've seen this one. Instantaneous acceleration. So yeah, it kind of pisses me off when I really think about it. But George, why this video is so important in my eyes is if the assessment is correct and if it stands the test of time, which I suspect highly with high confidence that it will and beyond that, I think this video is the first time where we get to actually see incontrovertible proof that there's a technology that can do and perform in ways. that we've only heard about from people like Commander

David Fravor. This is a clear cut case because there's a background. Like in the TikTok video, you're relying a lot on the data and like a blue sky even though it's in black and white. There's like ground formation here. So it is absolute obvious. And I think that if it stands

the test of time, this will go down in history as a video that really made scientists say, what the fuck? And then get involved with it. So that's what I think why the video is important is because it's right there. Anybody can use any AI and they can talk to any expert. Commander Fravor, I was talking with him about the video over the weekend.

And he was like, yep, and I've seen it. He was excited that, you know, like, oh, you're so lucky. You've actually seen a non-human craft. He suspects a non-human craft and he has a position in a job that would allow him to know that. But for us to be able to see on video is unbelievable. and that leads us to what does that mean to us if we have this. This is not a trust me bro situation. It's right there.

So it's like if it is exactly what it appears to be, then what effect is that going to have? And I had this great talk with Duncan Trussell in Austin did his podcast. I didn't want to do any, but in order to hang out with Duncan, he said, we have to film it. So I was like, I'll take it. And Duncan did bring up a good question about us that we should talk about, George. But in that conversation, we talk about what it means. You know, what it means is that you have to confront it now.

If it stands the test of time, science, the intellectual community of scientific research, they will need to do white papers on this. If this stands a test of time, they will have to. they will have to engage it. I would love to see someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson allow his mind to be opened up and to speak with real experts instead of saying grainy footage like he said years ago.

So I think that's going to be the impact. I think it's going to be slow and I think change takes time. And George, the last thing in this rant is we need to address something. It's the spooky elephant in the room. Duncan, my friend, even admitted to me on his podcast

that it has been through his mind many times wondering, he said, doesn't change how I feel about you, Jeremy, but I've wondered for a long time, are you and George just puppets of the CIA? Are you just spooks, you know? Are you being used knowingly or unknowingly? And I got to

state a case. Finally, somebody asked me that to my face, a friend. And I got to state my case on his podcast of why that's not logical. And I urge people to see it. But what do you think, George, or maybe, are you a spook, George? That's what they say. If only. I've got a cat here. Hold on a second. Which kitty? Which kitty is in place? Hey, buddy, I'll be busy for a couple more minutes. Which cat is that? A pillow. A palo. Youngest boy, yeah. Yeah, I see that a lot. And, you know,

mostly it comes from people who'd like us to be arrested, which, of course, if we're working as spooks for the government, we're not going to be arrested. We're a part of the team. They don't know, how hard it is to acquire this material, how scattered it is, how it comes into our possession, the lengths we go to to verify it, and share it with people who are smarter than us about such matters before we release it. I wish we were in some sort of government pipeline where we were being used to get all the good videos, but we don't. And it's hard. It's hard work and it's pain-taking and it's slow. I know that I saw some of the

who have tried to get us arrested many times on social media. And I don't want to argue with them. They're debunkers. But I am interested in people who read that, who are not as familiar with the topic and the personalities, who are wondering, well, why can't we get crystal clear movie picture-worthy video of these things? A Reaper, in the daytime, there's videos that have been released by the government that are certainly not a threat to national security, that are widely shared when they have a reason to make it public. Daytime video Russian jets coming by our sensor platforms. Look at that. Why don't we have that for UFOs? Well, you tell me, I mean, if somebody can get them and get them released, go for it. We have no special license to get them.

It's hard to acquire this stuff. You have to build up trust with people who have access to them, and then you have to find other people who confirm it. And yeah, compared to daylight movie camera video recorded from a sensor platform and nighttime heart of darkness sensor system thermal images. They're not the same. I don't know if anybody hears that when we say it, but a thermal image is not like a movie camera. They don't have IMAX cameras that work at night in the Syrian Jordanian desert. It's actually better quality information that comes from the thermal system then you might get from just a daylight film shot. And, you know, we get what we can get.

We verify it. We take our time. So if somebody else out there can get daytime video from a Reaper that shows a UFO, go for it. You know, but this is what we can get. We think the images are important. We know that they're verified. We know the people who've worked on it on the inside. It's a UAP.

They declared it, not us. Right. And also, I mean, just to really did miss. this because, you know, the idea of us being, you know, puppets for the government, it makes a distraction, I think, to what you're actually seeing. Like, look at the evidence, right? So the evidence is more important than that. But just to demystify it a little bit more, like, as journalists, you cannot solicit. If you solicit, you're going to jail. It doesn't matter if it's for, like, Santa Claus is stalking. You're going to jail. So we have a procedure and a process that can

take years. And I had a talk with our federal lawyer just recently, last couple of days, and the replication of that process and documenting it for every piece that we decide we can release, right? That process, we can replicate it. It's documented. So if there's ever a question, that's why we have that in place. We've done everything by the book. We've done it right. they should be applauding good journalism rather than trying to close down disclosure. We're doing everything that is, you know, by the book. And so I think that's really important. I think there will be insight into that, you know, later this year, our process and kind

of what that looks like. Actually, I know there will be. So that'll be interesting. Additionally, I think I make a good explanation for people of when we, a obtain, document, that, and release stuff. You know, there is stuff that we just can't release. And that's an obvious thing. If we see something that does endanger through our background with people, scholars in this,

endangered national security, like, we're not going to do that. We live here in America. We're not here to hurt anybody. You know, we're here to study the UFO thing. But, God damn, this video, if it stands the test of time, is just so important. And I think that it's one of many that I think people hopefully, I believe people will be able to see that show different observables. And if there is really clear footage that would satisfy that urge in people, you'd have to imagine, if you think about what Matthew Brown told us, Matthew Brown told us that we have automated systems to siphon off just before it even goes into human consumption besides the operator. and that stuff vanishes.

And the only reason why I know that to be true, one specific case, there was a critical infrastructure facility where there was a pyramid shaped UAP that came up out of the water. It turned at a 90 degree and it slowly went and hovered over a base for an inordinate amount of time. And that was on footage on a Honeywell system. And we actually alerted a federal agency about where to go get it, is during the time of the swarms, right? And by the time that that message got to them and they were prepared and ready to go retrieve it

from somebody on the inside, let's say, who thought it was important for the FBI to know, Department of Justice, it had been removed. First time in decades that somebody in that position had ever seen footage removed. And also in real time, I spoke to a gentleman who worked as a Reaper drone operator. And the reason I got that,

call was because in real time, after they were like trying to decide what to label this thing, this 10 minute section, because it usually films or saves in 10 minute sections, in real time was, what did they call it? Like it was, some of these are taken by the Department of Energy. And that's a very interesting view. They didn't have deleted. They become property of the Department of Energy. I know that as a fact.

So they took it and it's gone. So now it doesn't go past the eye. of the people trying to assess what do we call this UAP. So we know that happens. And so the best footage, I believe that the circle gets tighter and tighter and tighter, which makes the people willing to risk everything to bring stuff to the American people smaller and smaller. I think that's good. That's by design.

I think it's good that we have security that tightens as it becomes more important. But you're right. Go to work if you want better than you see. Yeah. You know, we're mere government spook, so we can't get it. So if somebody out there have a better shot at it, go for it. I want to give, before we end, Jeremy, I want to give a plug. We started, restarted our Mystery Wire site on 8 News Now. You've been on there and a lot of the content. We've done a lot of stuff on there. But anyway, on 8 News Now, KLSTV, mystery wire. It's a collection of all this stuff I've done over the years. But just this past week, we put out a full interview with Jim Likatsky.

That was the first interview he did in 2025. I've only used a couple of snippets of it. This is the full thing. And a page of all the compilation of Lou Elizondo interviews. A lot of people who are new to the topic may not have seen these. It's the first use of the muddy boot prints analogy that Lou uses. And I think there's five interviews there. It's the evolution of Elizondo.

So people who want to get an education about his development over the years, it's there too and a lot of other stuff. And you're there multiple times, of course. Really? Yeah. Okay. Hey, man, that's exciting. You know, a long-form interview with Dr. Lakatsky in the first interview with

Elizondo. And so they go to mysterywire.com, right? I'm going to KLAS TV or A8 News Now. Either those will take you there. And then there's a little icon on top that says mystery wire and it'll take you there. You got to get it up on the YouTube. And, you know, since we're not sponsored by any of these people we've mentioning today, I want to thank you.

you for your birthday gift because your buddy made this for me and I'm going to do a sip for him right now and for what's about to happen in UFO land over the next six months. Yeah, that's good whiskey. It's a bigfoot thing. It's over. It's a carving, a big foot. It's one over there in the background. That's so cool.

Yeah. Anyway. So, all right. Well, that's enough news coverage for the week. You need to get rested up and recuperate from the arduous trip you took to Texas. And we got some good stuff coming. Yeah. about to be loud and I'm also going to call you out publicly to all our listeners. Hey, listeners and

watchers, wouldn't you love to see George Knapp at some public events this year? Because he doesn't want to go and I've been getting, I built an AI to harass him, an AI named Hal to send him emails and text to harass him to try to get him to go around the country with me to a couple places this year. Wouldn't you all want to hang out with George Knapp? And if you do, go to the comments and tell me why, because I want to pressure and use my AI how to pressure George to come with me this year to just a couple things, man. I told you, this was my year to exit the stage. I don't want to, I don't never want to see an airport again, but we'll see how that works out.

I've said that before. Yeah, let's vote. Do you want George Knapp to exit this year? Do you want him to come and hang out? I think the comments are going to blow up with like they'd like to see you. Anyway, George, thanks for hanging. really cool man nice to talk to you nice to see you miss so much fun you got to make up for it yeah rub it in