WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Dave Foley’s UFO Adventure - Guest : Dave Foley

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

Actor/comedian Dave Foley, best known as a co-creator of legendary comedy series "Kids In The Hall" and currently starring in the upcoming season of "Fargo" joins Jeremy and George to talk about his multifaceted career and future projects. Foley describes his years-long interest in the UFO mystery, how he convinced his friend Joe Rogan to take a fresh look at the subject, his experiences at the infamous "Storm Area 51" event and an unexpected but dramatic UFO encounter in Southern California. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself. All these mysteries, all this time. Are we ever going to get to the bottom of these? My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't. I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is Weaponized. What's up, Dave?

This is Weaponized. Welcome back. We have a special guest, a good friend of ours. He's the ultimate hyphenate. Dave Foley is an action. actor, comedian, director, writer, producer, maybe a podcaster, and a UFO guy, right? Yes, you left out disappointment. I would love to hear the origin story of the Jeremy Dave friendship.

Oh my God. Well, how many years has been now? I don't know. Time is Cosmic Dave. This was, I mean, I think we became friends because I was on the Joe Rogan podcast, promoting a previous podcast that I was doing with my friend Paul Greenberg and and our wife's Jackie Harris and Chrissy Guerrero. We were doing a podcast that I can't really probably can't even mention the title here.

It's classified. Can I say, well, can you swear? You can swear here, right? Yeah, how far can't. We were doing a podcast called Don't Say Cunt, which was a podcast where we promised to give the public, the American public who hates the word cunt, a 45-minute window in their day where they would not hear the word. And we guaranteed that for 45 minutes you won't hear the word cunt.

But of course, we said it about a thousand times. Well, we prefaced it. So that was the premise of it. And then we would just sort of riff for about 45 minutes on whatever came up. And so we were on Joe's... Paul and I went on Joe's podcast to publicize that. And I remember the night before it, I texted Joe and said, by the way, Joe, you're going to be happy to hear I'm deep into UFOs again.

And, you know, we get something we can talk about. And he texted back, that's all bullshit. I'm off that stuff. I went, you know, that stuff. I did, you know, I guess he did his, he did his show on Netflix, I guess. Joe questions everything. Yeah. And I guess the, I'm guessing the producers of that show

kind of funneled him towards people that were mostly crazy and annoying. So he had gotten, I'm totally off UFOs. It's all bullshit. It's all fake. And I said, really? And I started, so I listed a few movies that he should watch that recent movies, and one of them was your Bob Lazar movie.

And so, and by the time, I was out of town, like one of the time I got into LA where he was doing his podcast then, Joe was back in. And one of the things that really grabbed him was your movie that he really pulled him in and he was like just obsessed with it. And so he was like, said, all right, you fucking got me back into the UFOs and he was like full bore on it

and has been since then. But Jeremy, I guess all the podcast or heard about it and I had tweeted about it, I guess, about your movie. And so you reached out to me on Twitter. Yeah, yeah. And then so we went back and forth on Twitter. And then I went up with my family to stay in Joshua Tree. Well, I think that's when I reached out to you.

I think like somebody said, hey, they talked about your movie. And I think at the time, you know, Joe was thinking about, you know, wanting to have Bob on, but it wasn't a thing yet. And then I heard you bring it up. And I was like, oh, man, someone said something nice about the films. So my friends sent it to me. And then I think I saw you were in Pioneer Town. Joshua Tree.

Yeah, and I knew you were familiar with the area. So I direct message to you on Twitter, St. Jeremy, this is Dave. Do you have any recommendations for stuff for me and my family to do while we're here? I gave you good advice. He gave me a ton of lists of places to go. And so that's when we started like talking directly. And then a little while after that was the whole Storm Area 51 thing. That's when I knew Dave was fucking awesome because I couldn't believe it.

I was like, yeah, man, George and I were going out to, you know, Area 51. I don't know. It might be a riot, but, you know, we've got some RVs. Do you want to come, like, hang with this? He's like, I'm in. I was like, are you crazy? He's like, no, I'm in. I'm like, cool.

I know when I had so many friends who are going, you can't do that? You know what that's going to be? You're going to get shot by military police? Yeah, yeah. I don't think so. I think this will be all right. So for you, in the course of your life, the peaks and valleys of interest in UFOs,

or it's always something at the back of your mind, or you paid no attention to it. for most of your life or what? I think as far back as I can remember being interested in it. I think I think I've probably started with, and I've been re-watching it on Amazon lately, is the old British series UFO. Do you remember that from like 1970? Yeah, I do.

And not a good show. No. Oh, no. But as a cultural thing, it's kind of interesting. The fashion and the music and everything is kind of cool. But it was a terrible show about UFOs, or about Shadow, an organization masquerading as a movie studio, but underneath they are defending the earth against these evil UFOs, which are these conical-shaped craft that spin. But interestingly, they did have them as a transmedium craft

at the time. Look at him using all these big UFO terms. Now, he's fully in, but I want to bring us back a little bit. Man, you used to make fun of UFOs when you're doing your comedy stuff. Come on. I did comedy that involves UFO. Really? Yeah, I did. Well, on the Kids in the Hall show, I wrote Because again, so lifelong, I was interested in UFOs. I always thought there was something, there's something to it. But it wasn't really at the forefront of my thinking most of the time. But I always thought there was something interesting about the subject. But I wrote a sketch for the kids in the hall show called Our Extraterestrials Dull.

That was like a mock documentary where basically we had all these people who had been abducted by aliens. But their experience was mostly that, well, they mostly just sat around. They never, they didn't talk much. They never turned the TV off. They just sat around watching TV and they wore what looked like. Their spacesuits looked sort of like a green cardigan. And basically just, you know, and they were really balding but kept combing it over. And it was basically the whole premise was that their encounters were aliens

with just really, really dull people. Can we delve into this is your life kind of a thing, Dave Foley? You're born in Canada. You better go fast. It's almost over. Were you going to be in showbiz your whole life? Was it something growing up? That's never something you think about as a Canadian.

At least in those days, now I think people in Canada think about going into show business. I would say maybe partially because of the kids in the hall's success. But when I was a kid, no, entertainment, show business, television, all of that was an alien thing that happened somewhere far away with some sort of superhuman race that does everything. But definitely not Canadians. So how did it happen then? How did you end up in showbiz? Started out, when I was like a teenager, I wanted to be a writer. And so that's what I thought I was going to do.

But I was always the funniest guy in my group of friends growing up. And we moved a lot, so I had a lot of different groups to be funnier than. And one day in high school, I was going to this alternative high school, which is a little of a hippie high school. and I was riding on the bus on the TTC with my friend Evelyn Chappaya, and I was making her laugh for the whole 45 minutes. We were on the bus getting to school. And at the end of the bus ride, she said, you know, you should do stand-up. And I'd never considered it.

And I went, oh, all right, I'll try writing something. And so I went home that night and wrote like about 10 minutes worth of material. And I figured, well, the only way to find out if it works is to go to the local stand-up club, yuck-yucks. So I went down and started doing stand-up at yuck yucks and it worked. And I thought, okay, I'll do more of this. And I was like, and I had terrible stage fright, but I managed to get past it. And I did, you know, I think I did about, and every time I would book a, like an open mic set, I would write a whole new set of material.

I didn't repeat any material. So I thought, okay. And most of it seemed to work. And I kept thinking, well, all right, I seemed to be pretty good at this. And then I thought, I'll, then I heard about Second City workshops for improv. And I thought, well, Improv, Lenny Bruce did a lot of improv. That could help. I may well take an improv course.

And in my first improv class, I met a guy named Kevin McDonald. We were paired up randomly to do an exercise. And at the end of that class, we kind of hit it off. And he said, do you want to join my Comedy Troop? And I said, okay, sure. How hard can it be? Yeah, he didn't have one at the time. So we formed a Comedy Trip that became the Kids in the Hall.

And I quit stand-up. him and have spent the last 40 years working with him. Kids in the hall is iconic. I mean, it's world famous. It's officially iconic. We got an award in Canada called the Canadian Icon Award. I remember, you know, growing up and seeing that and watching that. I mean, you know, I don't 45 or something now, but like I remember the whole time I was

growing up, it was so fucking funny to a kid. You know what I mean? I know it appealed to a lot of different audiences. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, definitely. young people where I guess our key demographic. Oh, really? Yeah. You got us, man. People were a little younger than us. I mean, we were in our

20s. So, yeah. How long did you do it as stand-up or in-person performance before it becomes a TV show? Well, with the kids in the hall, about four, almost four years of, we started doing these, every Monday night at a club called the Rivoli on Queen Street in Toronto. And Queen Street was sort of the hipster district, kind of the West Village of Toronto. And so we were doing these shows every Monday where we would write an hour of new material every week. And we advertised that any time you come to a kids in the hall show, you'll see an entirely new show every week. Wow. And so we did that. And then we would improvise for an hour after that just to fill it up. So you got your money's worth. And we did that for about four years, almost. At least, well, after Scott joined? Well, yeah, we did it because we did it for at least a year before Scott joined.

And then after Scott joined, we got scouted by Saturday Night Live in 85. Two of our guys got hired as writers. Markenberg got hired as writers. The end of that season, Lauren Michaels, who kept hearing about us from, because when we originally got scouted, Al Franken flew up and saw us do a show in an empty Rivoli theater, just us doing a show just for Al Franken. I think Jim Downey and our friend Dave Thomas from SCTV.

Oh, wow. We're the only people in the audience. So it's like a bunch of comedy nerds in their 20s doing a show for legends. And so they got hired, but they were terrible at writing for Saturday Live. They got nothing on the air. But throughout that whole year, people like Catherine O'Hara and Marty Short kept telling Lauren you've got to see these guys together.

And eventually, Lauren, at the end of that season of SNL, flew up and actually sat in the Rivley with a full crowd and watched us do one of our shows. And at the end of that, he decided not to bring anyone back to Saturday Night Live, but instead to try and sell a brand new show with us as a troupe. Four years of being on stage, new stuff every week, learning the timing and improv,

and that's a great way to perfect the craft. And to develop incredible arrogance. Yeah, because once we, once we, Once we caught on in Toronto, we had this great crap. It was a room that was supposed to hold about 150 people, and they were usually about 400 in there. Oh, man. And there was always a wall of cigarette smoke that we couldn't see past the lip at the stage, really. It was just this wall of cigarette smoke, and that was it.

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Yeah, it was, we were, as I have, as I've steadfastly never gone beyond this range of being a critic's darling. So, yeah, we went on the air and we got like rave reviews all over the place. And did okay. Like, we were on HBO at first in the States. And then later they reran, the shows re-ran on Comedy Central. and then we were on CBC and Canada. And we did well, you know, and well not to sort of stay on the air, with Lauren Michaels constantly fighting the head of HBO

who wanted to cancel us always, because he liked more like political comedy. He's your champion, though. Yeah, Lorne Michaels kept, would fight with HBO and use his leverage and, you know, to keep us on the air. And that was basically, I think we got canceled every season. season with the kids in the hall. And every season, Lauren would find a way to keep us on the air. Your fans are die hard lifers. It's like Monty Python in a lot of ways.

We like to consider ourselves to be a very distant second best sketch comedy troupe of all time after Python. You know, because Python are the Beatles. So, you know, and I think we used to always get asked, are you guys the new Beatles of comedy? And we said, no, we're the, we're the replacements. You're the Dave Park Five. Yeah, we're maybe the Pixies. And so are you, are they your idols? Are they your role models? Oh, Python. Oh, my God.

Yes, definitely. Yeah, I grew up watching Python from like the age of six, I think. In Canada, we got it at the same time as the British got it. So my parents used to keep us up, you know, to watch Python when I was a little kid. And so I watched, you know, was watching it. You know, I can't remember not knowing Python. Did you ever get to meet any of the guys about it? Yes.

I remember something about this. Yeah. Well, I actually had dinner with everything. Eric Idol last night. Oh, man. What a name dropper. Look at that. It was amazing.

Eric Idol last night. Seriously. Yeah, I got to meet Eric through my good friend Mike Geier, who is better known as Puddles the Clown, Puddles Pity Party, who a lot of people, if they watched, America's Got Talent. He was on that. Yeah. Awesome. But he's an amazing.

He's an amazing Panam artist and singer. Just genius level and hilarious. And so a lot of really very smart people are huge fans of. of puddles. And so I got to meet Eric through Mike. And yeah, so I've had dinner with them all a few times. So what comes after kids in the hall? What comes next? Well, after kids in the hall? You mean if it ever goes away? Yeah, that's right. It's back. Or back then. Well, after kids and all, we did kids in the hall for five seasons on television.

I think the last two were for CBS late night. And then there was about a year of trying to find work. And but towards the end of that year, I got a call from Paul Sims, who had been a writer on Larry Sanders show and, you know, with Gary Shandling. And he had written a show for me, but he had, he had forgotten to tell me about it. And in the interim, I'd actually agreed to take a CBS show that I'd been turning down for about six months. I finally went, you know, as the bank account was getting low. And so I flew down to L.A. to make this CBS show

and had to tell Paul, I can't do your NBC show. And I got down there. And while they were trying to cast my wife, I got fired from my pilot. And so I got to call Paul up and say, Paul, I think I'm available. Like, I've changed my mind. I really like that show. Yeah. So I walked, so basically walked across to NBC that day and started to work on news radio.

radio which was with the legendary Phil Hartman and the now legendary Joe Rogan and the sadly legendary Andy Dick and Morraterny Vicki Lewis and Candy Alexander am I forgetting anyone I don't think so yeah I saw that you told me about that that you and Joe are on this like sitcom and I finally watched it it was so cool man it's a funny show it's a funny show yeah it's okay it's we had such a the writing staff was so was great I mean And Paul's gone on to like work on pretty much every interesting comedy show since then. Yeah. Like he worked on Atlanta, girls, Flight of the Concordes,

and now he's working on what we do in the shadows. So he was a great, great comedy writer. And he put together this amazing staff. And he put together this cast that was just unbelievable. Oh, he left up Stephen Root. Oh, yeah. Stephen Root. It was, of course, now people know from everything they ever watch ever.

he is in it. Are you in Rogan buddies? Do you bond on that show? Oh, yes, yeah. Yeah, we were very tight cast. Like, very, like, immediately became, like, family. So, yeah, I still think of Joe is a very good friend, and, you know, I love Joe. Yeah.

I remember when I got my first Apple computer, it was one of the grape ones. Do you remember those when they were shipping them? Oh, yeah, the pretty ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember I was asking my brother, like, hey, I need to edit some of my computer. my martial arts demonstrations I was doing for kids. You know, I thought they're kind of, I was like, I don't know how to edit.

And, you know, so funny because I was just playing around with it then, but I got this grape mat and a bug's life shipped with it. Oh, right. Yes. I remember. Why are you familiar with that? Yeah, because I'm the voice of flick. Okay.

I'm the lead aunt in a bug's life. So hilarious. I remember getting that, you know, I was just editing jiu-jitsu videos. It comes with this like, you know, bugs life thing. I was just transfixed. It was so cool. And then he later ended up telling me, you know, so he was the main voice for it, which is pretty cool.

You remember that, Bugslow? Yeah, I should do. It's kind of the forgotten Pixar movie. You do another animated movie? Are you a voice in another anime? Well, I did Monsters University for Pixar as well. Sean Hayes and I played a two-headed monster, which is fun because they let Sean and I improvise.

They brought us in so we could record together, which is rarely ever done. Yeah, because the animation has to match. Yeah, and usually scheduling, it's easier to just bring actors. in on their own, but because they wanted us to be a two-headed monster, they thought, well, you know, and they're both, you know, we both have a history of improv. So, yeah, so we got to actually work together in the studio for that one. So you, how many other series have you done? Oh my God, I don't know. I mean, I've done guest spots in, you know, probably dozens.

I was in the regular cast of Ken Jong's show Dr. Ken. Did a show for CBS that ran for two weeks. How to Be a Gentleman, which is, you know, it was actually not a bad show, but it only, and we got double the ratings of our competition, but we were on CBS, and they expect really high ratings. So they cancel this after two weeks. What else, but I've been? Fargo, the most recent. I'm now, yeah, just finished shooting season five of Fargo up in Calgary, which was amazing. great with Juno Temple and John Hamm are kind of the leads. We got Joe Kerry from strange things.

Did you tell Dave to wear the eye patch this time? No, so he did reveal in an audio episode of Weaponized. We pulled him in about Balluna Paloza, about what was going on with UFOs. And he did reveal that he wears an eye patch for the new Fargo season. He wasn't sure if he could tell us. Yeah, still not. Okay, we might blank this out. So you're in a number of episodes.

of the, Fargo, by the way, is just one of the coolest shows on television. Yes, it's a great series. If people haven't watched it, each season is different. An entirely new cast every season, entirely new storyline. Yeah. Sometimes there's little threads to previous seasons and to the original movie. But yeah, it's fantastic. And Noah Hawley is this genius writer and producer.

Yeah, it's just going to be epic, man. I can't wait to see that. Yeah, the cast is amazing. The scripts for this season are fantastic. So it was a really fun. experience, you know, even if sometimes it was at 30 below in Calgary. Right. And you also recently rebooted kids in the hall. We did. We did a season six, we call it, on Amazon. They call it season one. But we call it

season six of this show with a 27-year hiatus. Yeah, we did eight episodes. And to, again, critical darlings. Actually, the best reviews I think we've ever gotten, we got a 100% on rotten tomatoes. I think that's because he did full frontal in episode one and just showed the world that Dave Bowley's made. I have a crowd-pleasing penis. You know, and it wasn't just me. Kevin had his, has his out too.

Hide your eyes, ladies and gentlemen. And how does it work on Amazon? You don't have ratings like Nielsen ratings for TV shows, but how do they measure if it's a success or not? I think they use the I Ching. Yeah, I'm not sure how they do it. Clearly not in a way that I approve of because they decided not to do a second season. Really?

Yeah. But, and it was, yes, I don't really know what they're, how they make their decisions. But it was really a fun thing to do. And it was one of those things where, you know, we were, we were as, I think, nervous as our fans that we might be shitty after all these years. And that we might not have any good sketches in us. But it was kind of, as soon as we got in the writer's room, we sort of went, oh, Okay, oh, that's pretty good. That's good, too.

That's, you know, and everyone seemed to have ideas for stuff that was, that seemed new. And, you know, we didn't want the show to feel overly nostalgic. What is, what is part of your process when you're, you know, writing this, this comedy for the new kids in the hall? Is it just sitting in your hotel room having Jeremy ship you legal psychedelic mushrooms? That helped a lot. Is there more to it? Microdosing the mushrooms made it much easier to get through. I was like, Dave, you're in Canada.

It's legal there. I'm sending you something. It's not really. It's not legal, but it's a gray area. It's a gray area. But I was like, I looked online. Where can I ship literally? It's like, you're sending this day full.

I shipped himself and, you know, trying to microdose and see if with the creative process, did that help? Oh, my God, yes. Oh, I think the microdosing, well, it really kept any desire to murder the other kids on the hall at bay. Because that's a big part of our process is not murdering each other as we fight about what we're going to do. And I think you lied. to get that show. You said, everybody's on board. We're going to do a Kids of Hall reboot. You totally lied. Yeah, I called, yeah, I started calling up Broadway video, I think, in 80. God, when was it? I guess 88, because 89 was going to be our 30th anniversary.

Not 80, 89 was when we started, I'm sorry, 2008. Okay, that makes sense. So for 2009, I said, we started calling him and say, you know, You know, we're all interested in doing something to, you know, celebrate our 30th anniversary of starting on the air and it would be great. And we'd all, you know, we just feel emotionally that it would be great if we could do it with Lorne again. And, yeah, I hadn't talked to any other guys about it at the time. And it wasn't until, I think, till I'd gotten Broadway video like thoroughly on board and we started getting offers from Netflix and Amazon to do it. Then I kind of got the guys involved. And that, you know, in about six months of trying to convince them that it was a good idea.

Yeah. Well, I'm curious, man, because, you know, I got to know you through the common interest we have in the UFO topic. Do people in your, like your friends, people you tell about your kind of newfound respect and interest for the mystery of UFOs, do they think you're just fucking crazy? Oh, yeah. Well, there's not definitely a lot of people that glaze over and go, well, why are you talking about this? Were you serious? And then there's other people since I started talking about it publicly. Because this is going back, I think I started like talking about it seriously.

I think after I saw, and I saw it late, was James Fox's out of the blue. I remember seeing that because that was made quite a while ago, but I think I saw it about seven years ago. and went, okay, and hearing all these accounts from military and politicians and, you know, and scientists and going, oh, okay, and hearing the history that I didn't really know about. So I think, okay, this is really a serious thing. And it's crazy that more people aren't talking about it. And I started getting obsessed with the, also the social conditioning that precludes people from talking about it or even thinking about it. Yeah. So it's going to that even with all this incredible evidence, like I'd never heard about Malmstrom until watching that movie. And then so that got me more and more seriously. I started talking about it more and publicly.

And then also people started reaching out to me with their stories about things they'd seen and a lot of people in show business but who would not talk about it publicly. And that's why I sort of thought more and more, I think I should just keep doing. doing this because it's somebody should. Are you going to spill any of that? Any of these names of people in the UFO closet? No, I won't. I won't. But hopefully they'll, hopefully eventually, they'll start to feel more comfortable about it. You'd think creative people, Hollywood kind of people, movies, TV, that they would be interested in this kind of stuff. If for no other reason, then it's commercial. E.T. UFO movies, boom. They're big bloodbuses. Yes, as long as it's fictional.

But if you tell somebody you actually saw something, you're now a crazy UFO person. especially, I mean, I consider myself to be pretty far to the left of the political spectrum, and most of people I know are, and I think particularly people on the left are really terrified of being associated with the subject. Because we on the left think of ourselves as the rational, scientific ones, not those crazy right-wingers. Only bucktooth hillbillies believe in UFOs or something like that. Yes. So I think, you know, I remember. I remember reading, and I don't really remember it well enough to quote it properly, but reading like Noam Chomsky's manufacturing consent years and years ago.

And he talked about how you don't really need massive conspiracies to control like the media. All you need to do is create a framework where there are things that sensible people discuss and that sensible people ignore. And once you create that framework, then you can, you know, then you can, you don't have to lean on the media. They'll police themselves. They'll censor themselves. And the UFO story is one that was very effectively conditioned out of public consciousness,

especially on the left, you know, because we want to be associated with smart people like Carl Sagan. Well, you can see it happening now. I mean, Fox, whatever you think about Fox News, has covered this issue in a very straightforward way. The only ones. Very straightforward. And because of that, I think CNN and MSNBC have been reluctant to jump into it. That's a Fox story. Can't be true. I'm not covering it. Oh, I know. I mean, I actually tried to get Katie Turs attention on the subject.

When she was on the beat covering the Trump campaign, I had tweeted about her and gotten a response from her. Turns out she was a kid's in the hall fan. So there was that connection. So we communicated a little bit back in that during that campaign. So you see her with Neil deGrasse Tyson coming on there, debunking UFOs, and you reacted to it? Yeah, I just said, you know, you know, because he's then there saying that in science, we learn to love the question. And as his way of saying that, you know, and then I said, and I sort of tweet back said, well, that's what a lot serious people in the UFO community are doing. They do love the question without having an answer. Most of the serious people will tell you flat out, no, no one has an answer.

And they will also tell you that, yes, at least 95% of everything is prosaic and not interesting. But when you get into millions of sightings and 5% of them are legit and interesting, that's a lot of data that you should look at. And I also said that I think when Neil deGrasse Tyson describes the FLIR footage of the Tick-TAC video as blurry, as grainy black and white footage, I said, that is willful ignorance. I said, that is, you know, because that is not just, that is, that is footage from an extremely advanced weapons targeting system. on one of the most expensive airplanes ever built and is run by highly trained people whose lives depend on knowing what they're talking about. So calling that grainy black and white footage

is just willfully ignorant. As if they think that we have IMAX cameras up on these warplanes, you know, floating around out there. Well, I mean, we do have good footage from Reaper drones as we saw that with the Russian plane. So there is high quality footage, that we are not getting. We have weapons, platforms, space-based satellites that have, some of which we've learned through the Russian documents are dedicated to looking at the UFO problem. So we're just

not getting all the data. Not getting the best stuff. We're not getting the best stuff. But that is no excuse for dismissing what we are getting. It's zero excuse that when Neil deGrasse Tyson said that I actually made a little video, you know, I was talking to my buddy Sean, who's a comedian as well. And it was so ridiculous to me that somebody who is a scientist wouldn't be salivating over what we do have, the evidence that we do have. It's completely dismissive based upon some idea. And you keep bringing this up to me, you know, the idea of manufacturing consent. Ever since we started talking about UFOs, you keep bringing up to me this idea of how you can get people to dismiss this topic by creating some kind of social stigma. Can you kind of

explain to me what you see is going on from Twitter, from where people are just full on debunkers, people that don't want to look at the proper evidence to what we saw in Congress, where they only show one piece of nine pieces of corroborative visual evidence. What do you see in the world right now about how people are handling this? Well, I think even in Congress,

they leaned on a Twitter debunker as their way of giving the media an out in Congress and out from taking it. seriously, I'm talking about like the USS Russell footage. Yeah. Right. So they leaned on this completely unsubstantiated debunking. And they just, and they even admitted when asked, now, did you guys do this study about

this bouquet effect? And they said, no, but we are aware that it has been done. Yeah. You know, and it's like, you can always create an image that might plausibly be similar to another image. right and say there you see i was able to create this it looks sort of like that so obviously that's fake too yeah it would be like but that would be sort of like the same if i went out in my yard and hung up a white disc from a from a wire and shot it and said look the moon i haven't you know it looks like

the moon i haven't proven that the moon doesn't exist all i've proven is that you can create it through other means yeah or like a hundred dollar bill can be counterfeited therefore all hundreds are counterfeits. Yeah. The thing that drives me crazy about that, I mean, first of all, it's really hard because George and I might have a little additional information than is public. And I understand people's frustration. They want to know the shapes of these things, what's going on.

Is there a camera artifact? I get that. But when you reduce something to just one thing that you're trying to isolate, you willfully are being ignorant and you're perpetrating. And deceptive and manipulative. Totally deceptive and manipulative. of and manipulative because what you're doing is you're isolating something down to one point and you're not, we have people that came forward that saw on multiple ships and talked about these

swarms, right? You're trying to say one thing you're seeing in a video is not correct because you're just dismissing every other piece of evidence. I had that argument with a popular debunker. On Twitter, I had a lengthy back and forth with them on Twitter about the Tick-Tac video and where he kept giving his debunking, and I said, first off, I don't think you're qualified

to analyze the data on the screen, and from what I understand, the people who are qualified to analyze that data totally disagree with you. And you're only looking at this video. You aren't looking at all the corroborative evidence that goes along with this video. You aren't dealing with the fact

that you had radar operators viewing these objects for a week before this, and you aren't dealing with the fact that you had two top-gun pilots, view this from two different angles, from two different positions in the sky, who are trained at observing anything in the sky, you're completely dismissing their testimony. And he said, well, all I can look at is the video. I said, no, that's not all you can look at.

I said you can take a holistic view of all the evidence, or you could shut up. Yeah, that's all you want to look at because you have a target answer. You can explain. And you're not really explaining anything. I mean, basically just, even in his explanation, you know, when he says, oh, the tick-tac didn't pop off the screen, they just turned off the object. I said, well, that isn't what the guy who shot it says. He says he tried to lock on it and he couldn't hold it.

Oh, and additionally, I mean, if you talk to Commander Underwood, so Commander Underwood came forward to me first, and I put him on video. And what we talked about was that he actually asked the, he signaled back to the ship with with a spy one radar and said, where did it go? Like, it just left. Where did it go? And they're like, it's nowhere. He's like, we have a 360 understanding of what's around us. So to dismiss that information, you're just trying to prove your point. Yeah. And a popular dumb thing that debunkers say or people that like debunkers say is, you know, eyewitness testimony is the worst kind of testimony. And I go, well, you're right in this context. There's a bank robbery. You're a customer in the

bank. You're terrified. You're panicked. You're not. paying attention. You're not, so you might not get the details right. You might not be able to describe the bank robber correctly. You might misidentify somebody in a lineup based on your experience there. So yes, that kind of eyewitness testimony is not great. But here's another kind of eyewitness testimony. Say, I walked through a park. And after I walked through the park, you said, describe all the plants and trees that you saw in the park. And I'll say, well, there was some grass, there was some deciduous trees, some conifers, a palm tree, that's what I saw. But if I walked through that park with a botanist, his observations of walking through that

park are going to be a lot better than mine. They will be expert observations. And a fighter pilot is similarly different from me in the sky because a fighter pilot is trained in advance to be really aware of the environment is trained on everything that could be up there, everything that should be up there, everything that shouldn't be up there, and knows how to identify all of these things, knows how to read the systems on his plane or her plane, and is trained to do this to such an extent because they are, first off, in charge of a multi-million dollar craft. And if they don't learn how to do this, they die. They're going into situations where there are other people who are just as well trained as they are who want to kill them.

And if they don't know how these systems work and if they don't know how to visually identify things in the sky, they die. And they are trained also with the notion that after every mission they will be debriefed. So they go into every mission knowing that they need to have those data points locked in their consciousness to be debriefed afterward. So that's different from eyewitness testimony that people sort of flippantly say is pointless. There's a guy named Phil Corso, the tenant colonel Corso, who worked at the Pentagon, who I met him in 1992, five years before the UFO world never heard from him. He wrote a book called The Day After Roswell.

Very controversial, but a lot of people find that him to be credible, at least parts of his story. He really was at the place where he said he was. But I had asked him in those years before he became known in UFO world. What about disinformation, active programs to discredit UFO researchers? He said, we didn't have to do that. You just let the UFO people go at each other on their own. We didn't have to have discrediting programs. They would do it for us. It's true. It's an incredibly dysfunctional field. Yeah. Yeah. Because so much of it is, so much of it is about people's beliefs and desires. And, you know, and wanting to find something larger. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building.

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You know, whereas I think, you know, I mean, I come to where I didn't really want to find something larger. I was very, I was very content with being an atheist and a scientific, you know, materialist reductionist, you know, that everything, everything, you know, everything is just, is physical in its nature. You know, I was happy with all of that. I wasn't looking for anything larger than that. But the stories and the data sort of make you go,

right, the world is more complicated than that. You know, sometimes I'm overwhelmed with how much information that George and I get. You know, some of it is like we'll try to publicly release it, but it's just all of that information. Sometimes it's hard because we know there's other data that would just, I'll give you a specific example. We released the Mosul orb, which was a single image from a four-second video It was in a classified briefing to explain to the armed services of what UFOs are, how to identify them.

It was an example that was given. Now, we're unable to release the video. There's nuances to this, but the image we released. So you can start saying immediately, you can say any debunking thing, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a water drop, it's a hole in the ground. I heard something crazy, stupid like that. If the video was released by our government, all of that bullshit goes out. the window. It's not our position. Our position is to poke and to inspire the process to work properly. As journalists, we're reporting. We're giving the public something they didn't have

that is verified within a classified briefing. We're lucky to be able to get it out as it's inherently unclassified. That's the extent of our ability and job. Instead of getting super hungry and fighting for that video to be released and really getting good analysis, you get people within 30 seconds trying to debunk it, not trying to analyze it, not trying to look at it, understand it. We did our best. It's up to people. And you and you and again, you have a media infrastructure that is hungry for those debunkings. Explain that to me. Because they don't want to chase because they're the people more than anyone like the you know the newspapers of record, you know, like the you know the Washington Post, the New York Times, you know, MSNBC, NBC,

NBC larger, you know, CBS, all of these people should be hungry to find, should be going after that, They're going, oh, well, that's interesting. Why, let's find out what that is. Let's ask some questions. Let's do some follow-up. You know, like, as they did on this stupid spy balloon, you know, which couldn't be a more boring story. But the press latched onto that because they knew it wasn't going to take them anywhere dangerous. It wasn't going to take them into UFOs.

It wasn't going to take them into, you know, the possibility of extraterrestrial life. It was going to take him someplace safe. Chinese. The Chinese did it. We're safe. And as we talked before, the contrast between that and how the press completely, when they were fed the notion that the Russell,

the things that were swarming, the Russell were Chinese drones. Well, let's be clear. They walk away. It was 10 warships over 100 mile radius. Yes. We have direct eye-wind. Hundreds of objects.

Hundreds of objects, we have direct eyewitnesses that have testified on this show through audio, that they were tasked with looking at the Bastrate, making sure these things weren't launching or landing from a Chinese vessel. They could explain it. And if you want easy to attain proof that it wasn't coming off the Bastraight, the Bass Strait was allowed to leave port. And also it was in port when a lot of this, it was in Long Beach. And we know some of the individuals actually boarded the ship.

So look, anybody that doesn't... Yeah, but if they came off there, that crew would have been arrested. Oh, let me tell you. So anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about, go watch, you know, episode two with John Gutierrez, and we really lay this out. But the fake news about this being, you know, Chinese operated units, everybody on these ships,

everybody that I've talked with, the Georgia's talking, we've talked to more people that any intelligence agency has about this series of UFO, UAP events. You can argue one little detail about it. The whole event is so important and it's not isolated. So these swarms are not isolated to that one. That's just the one we made public because we had footage that we could put out.

And the radar tracking and the radar. Yeah, but the way they didn't handle that, they tried to, on Wikipedia and everybody tried to make everybody believe these are just Chinese drones of some sort. But what is the difference in the reaction that you're trying to highlight right now? Well, that when it truthfully is a Chinese object, the spy balloon, the military are quite open about it, push the story to the media, will give endless interviews about it, do press conferences about it,

the press, and the press will just cover it nonstop. For like two weeks, we had nonstop coverage of this balloon that traveled at the speed of the prevailing winds, you know, followed the prevailing winds across the country and then got shot down easily. So they latch on and cover it endlessly. But so if Chinese technology surveilling American military bases is really a big story and important, why did they completely ignore a story of Chinese drones coming off the Bastrate, swarming American battleships and support ships? And and And so why wasn't that a story? It's also pretty glaring in what is made public.

So, you know, we got to see that balloon being blown up. Yeah. We know that they have not released the video of the other three objects that are supposedly unknowns. Yeah. Just can't release that stuff. That'd be violating national security. Yeah. But we did get to see video that was released from a Reaper drone of a Russian plane spring of fuel.

Yeah. Somehow national security was not violated with that when we wanted to make a point to piss off the Russians. Yes, if it fits with the political agenda at that time, and if it doesn't lead to questions that they don't want to ask. You know, the fact is that investigating this stuff is hard, and maybe that's why Katie Truyer or some of her colleagues don't dig into it because it's hard. It's hard to get reliable information, to get corroboration from additional sensors, to find credible witnesses who are willing to go on the record, it's hard.

And that's why we're very careful in what we pursue. Debunking is not so hard. All you got to do is say, no, it is. isn't. It's a bird. Well, it's not a bird. Well, then it's a balloon. It's a drone. It's a, you know, it's a kite. Or Neil the Grass Dyson. It's a glitch in the equipment. Yeah. Just throw out whatever and see what sticks on the wall and that's your debunking. Well, yeah, and I love when Neil the grass size, it's a glitch in the equipment. And if you say it isn't a glitch in the equipment, prove it. Yeah. And it's like, but how about this, Neil? How about you, you look into it? You prove it.

Or how about you look at the logic of that? So you're saying it was a glitch in not one. system, but every single system, every single system had the exact same glitch that created the exact same corroborative evidence of eyewitness testimony. And our top aviators made a mistake too. Yeah, so they made a mistake. Or the other thing, I love people say, it's stress from being in the air too long. And then go, yeah, so stress can be picked up on multiple radar systems? Yeah, no, the pilots are hallucinating because they're, because their missions are too long

flights. Yeah, so they're going, like, fighter pilots don't do long missions. This isn't like the B-52s of the cold war era. Dr. Strings love flying over the- Or we fly 24 hours a day. I didn't know that stress could be picked up on radar, but thank you for clearing that up. Yeah.

So it's kind of demoralizing when I see the response, this very little world of UFO Twitter. Like when we put something out, when we put out the Baghdad Phantom, when we put out the Mosul Orb, this is reaching hundreds of millions of people. They're getting to see government filmed, identified as UAP, UFO.

Again, as journalists, we were not there, but we're putting out something the world has never seen. It's so demoralizing to see in this little circle in UFO Twitter where people just listen to these bullshit debunking attempts where they should see very clearly, they're just trying to dismiss this instantaneously. They'll pre-bunk stuff before they even look at it.

Well, yeah, what's his name? Julian Barnes, is that his name? Yes, he was the New York Times. He was the New York Times. He's the New York Times writer, but clearly did. was, actually, I had coffee with Leslie Kane a little while ago, and we were talking about, but that, you know, his article, what he wrote should have been on the op-ed page.

Because it was not news. It wasn't, it wasn't reporting. Oh, he wrote that bullshit article. That all these, yeah, it's all, yeah, the upcoming report, which had come up for another month. It was a week before the report came out. It's all going to be explainable. Yeah, it's all going to be just plastic bags. It's drones and stuff like that. That was in New York Times.

It's weather balloons. So that was in New York Times. article pre-bunking what hadn't even come out I mean if people don't see I don't see directly through that we have no hope for people I mean that's ridiculous that's it's frustrating to me trying to you know with George bring information forward and having not people do that people that do that's fine but people that just blindly it's willful ignorance just blindly look at that and be like yeah that's good journalism yes and it's and it's and it's not harmless either that's the other thing I think

people forget explain is the debunking is not harmless lie i mean the the the program going back to the 50s the program of ridicule and debunking has destroyed lives it has and it is you know in a big way is like like people that were very public have have had their lives destroyed um suicides suicides yes and ordinary people have been damaged because they've had their their sanity questions people who've just seen something in their backyard people who have been seen something on a camping trip or on a, well, they're flying, while they're traveling on a plane, all these people who have seen things and with the best intentions talked about it are told they're insane. And people who are afraid to talk about it are also told they're insane, so they keep it a secret.

So there's real damage done by the debunking. And there's personal attacks. That's the thing. I used to enjoy going on social media and engaging with folks. But there's like all these coordinated attempts to try to demoralize you, like as if we shouldn't be reporting the news as if we shouldn't be putting on this stuff that we've vetted and verified and spent a lot of time it's these at something like like james macdonald yeah who who who questioned the the condon report uh publicly basically his career was was over uh whenever he was i mean i think it was

later he was trying to testify on a totally unrelated subject i think it was on i'd try i forget what it was on pollution or but some other subject entirely with with a congressional hearing And gets raped over the coals for that. He gets raked over calls. He says, I'm not, you know, somebody who didn't want to, you know, like maybe have controls on pollution. I forget what the actual subject was, said, well, I'm not going to take a man who believes in little green men seriously.

That's right. I remember that. So he couldn't, he, his scientific career was dead. Took his own life. Yeah. Within a year of that. Is there somebody that we know, we mentioned about him earlier, Joe Rogan, who, he really has had the power to move the needle on this topic.

Because he changed his mind, and you were part of changing his mind, he's helped to change the mood of the public on this. Now, Joe is, he's bulletproof, he can take care of himself, his thick skin. I don't think he reads or pays attention to the kind of criticism that he gets. But you've seen it. You've had to see it what your friend goes through, not only for UFOs, but other things he says as an entertainer in order to stimulate public discussion. Yeah. And you must feel for your friend sometimes. I do. I mean, and again, like Joe's, I love Joe and I, you know, and but part of being his friend, I can also disagree with Joe on a lot of things. And I can also, you know, as a, as somebody who enjoys what he does, you know, go, all right, I'm not going to, I'm not going to maybe go to Joe for medical advice. You know, you know. Well, he says the same thing. Yeah. I'm not a doctor. Yeah. And yeah. And if, you know, and if you, if you are looking to, you know, a comedian for your medical advice, maybe.

maybe if things go awry for you, it's not such a loss. I just, you know, I don't know, I'm hung up on this, man. Like, I think that this is such a big, looming question. UFOs have been something that has become part of culture in so many ways. But our military has been studying this for so long. We seem to do this to ourselves. When I just look at the microcosm of people being very loud about this, they seem to try to stop.

If they had their way, we would stop them. obtaining and releasing footage that we, as journalists, come up for, you know, that's the feeling I get is that there's like a very loud set of individuals that we do it to ourselves. It's really, I don't know where we go from there. Like, how do we move past that? How do we? I guess part of it is not caring. I guess that's the other thing I'll say about Joe, getting better at that. Is that Joe is possibly the most curious human being I've ever met, like totally curious about everything, any subject matter at all. Yeah. And I said, and for people who criticize, it's like, you know, also like watch him

interviewing Nobel Prize winning physicists for three hours and go, how well would you do in that situation? He manages to do it. He manages to make it interesting, and he chases his curiosity on every subject. So you, you know, and he does so many of these podcasts, so there are subjects you disagree with, you don't have to watch them. Yeah. You don't have to agree with them. You don't have to agree with him but Joe might do something the next day that you'll be very interested in you know so and I think with the UFO thing yeah Joe's just a guy who just doesn't care doesn't you can't damage him he's you know at this point you know if it all went away he's fine well I just feel bad for other people yes what I feel that's we're giving credible

information yeah and then you you just have people buying into this like cult like oh it's all dismissible bullshit they when when you're yeah when oh no yeah and well yeah and I mean, I don't know what you do because you can, because I said, all it takes is somebody posting their debunking and then everyone else just quotes it as though it's proven fact. You know, like you'll say all three of the, you know, the famous videos, oh, you know, they've all been debunked. No, what do you mean they've all been debunked? Well, here, you know, the GoFast video wasn't going fast at all. It was only going a few miles an hour. Those guys were crazy thinking it was fast. It's debunking by decree. I see.

say it's debunk therefore it's debunk yeah and you know and you know the gimbled the oh it didn't it didn't really turn the camera turned oh yeah it's absolutely ridiculous which for me i'm not a i'm not a system's expert but i go well wait a minute it turned in relation to the horizon yeah why didn't the horizon turn with it if it's turning on if it's the camera turning the whole image should turn but it's just this one thing in the frame that changed i've been down that road you know in through the camera it just becomes so exhausting yet it's it's like a mental gymnastics you know it's just constant and and then they're wrong by the way no and if you want to know what's in these videos go to people who are experts on those systems yeah or by the way people that were also there

multiple people see in it eyewitnesses yeah and they just tried to dismiss so yeah i don't know i don't know what i'm trying the frustration i'm having is just that i really hope people can see through that absolute bullshit and start keeping with the true curiosity of this omnipresent thing we call UFOs. This is a real issue. It's been here a long time. And it would be such a disservice to us if we just start making these little groups trying to debunk shit without thoroughly investigating it. Yeah. Well, and the people that we rely on to investigate for us, the journalistic institutions. I mean, George, you were willing to, you know, a long time ago, take the risk of being tarred as the UFO guy, you know, and now, you know, and now you're being acknowledged

as kind of the godfather of the... The only thing more dangerous than talking about UFOs for us is not talking about UFOs. If we do an interview a guest like you, Dave, if we hadn't been talking about UFOs, we catch nothing but grief about it. Oh yeah. Because they assume we're always going to talk about UFOs and only UFOs. Well, people that really, you know, like to kind of, you know, learn about this, you know, they,

of course, they're excited about the UFO topic. So are we in every conversation of ours leads to UFOs eventually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, our interests go far and wider than that. But, you know, but I like, let's stick on UFOs. I like that. Let's talk about your adventure, the two of you guys saw what. I mean, you know, you.

You had never seen one before. I know I've never seen one that I know of as far as I can remember, but you guys had one. So let's hear the story. Yeah. Finally, both of us had one. That's what, it's a crazy story. You know, I love, I want to hear Dave explain. We both, you know, we saw the same thing, but we both different things of it really intrigued us.

And so I like kind of hearing how Dave experienced it. Yeah, well, I mean, it happened. It was a night I was just visiting, and we were out walking to your dog. Yeah. On a very beautiful starry night. I think, I don't think there was a moon in the sky that night. I don't think the stars were so prominent. And I remember watching in the distance, watching the commercial air traffic flying around and just

thinking about what a clear, beautiful night it was. And just saying to Jeremy, you know, this would be a good night to see something. Yeah. I'd like, you know. And so we're pretty remote, by the way. So where we are, big sky. No light pollution. No light pollution.

It was just like one of those beautiful. and walking my pup and just kind of really enjoying the night and then this guy gets sarcastic. Yeah. Well, you remember though. I don't remember. I just remember saying I wanted to see. This would be a great night to see something. No, no, no, no. This is... Call you out. Foley goes, hey, man, it's so cool. Coming up to hang out with the UFO expert. I was kind of hoping I'd see a UFO, you know, just kind of digging at me. I've never seen one either, never really a machine that I could say that's a UFO. But within a few moments of asking to see something. something.

I think I was looking and I hear, and Jeremy goes, Dave, turn around. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough. Enough to get lost. Or you could book a stay with Hilton. Welcome to your ocean front room.

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or assuming it's the front because that's the way it was traveling. And looking at it and it's clearly, and you see the commercial air traffic all around it. and the difference is very stark and it was close first of all yeah close compared to and it and it got closer and closer to us and it's sort of traveled around this valley to you know and and I think we both were thinking the same time I kept thinking this will be like when I'm in my backyard and I see something and I eventually realize it oh it's just something boring I kept thinking it's gonna get boring as it gets closer did you say anything to each other as

you know well yeah hold on let's yeah that was weird so let's get in that but I want to what you kind of missed what I saw. Yeah. So again, I'm, you know, he's taking the pest out of me and I'm thinking, motherfucker. And then I'm looking and I, and he's standing there and his back is to it. And from a 45 degree angle, which looked from as far as the distance could be from high up, seemed like it came from space. This thing just shot down at a 45 degree angle, just glowing, right? And then it, boom, hits and levels off. So that was the first thing. And that's when I was able to say, hey, turn around. Like I already knew this was weird. I thought maybe it was a comment or

something, I thought it would end up being super pro-Zix. I've never seen Bonafide Machine UFO, and we were both kind of like had never seen anything like that. When he turned around, he caught it right after. As it was level. It was, yeah, it stayed on a level, like, I guess what we call it, trajectory. Yeah. And so. From then on. So that was, so our reactions was a really weird thing. But before that, like what was so impressive to me, we all thought, like he and I thought, I'm sure we thought this is going to end up being something normal or a comet or something. It's going to take an angle and show itself. Yeah, and show itself.

Holy shit. Because first of all, it's over this, there's mountains on both sides just right there over the sky. And it was big. And the thing that really struck me, for me, and I know this is maybe different

than for Dave, but it was self-luminous. And so it was, you could say it was glowing. It was self-luminous, but it would pulse with this extreme power. That's the thing that really struck me

is the power that it took to do this. And there were four pulses. And when it pulsed, it kind of went, like, and there was no sonic boom. It was these movements. And seeing it descend in from 45 degree angle and hit down and then move, it was so, to me, this tremendous power

because you could see it was a machine. It had these big three lights that weren't shooting like beams. Yeah, two smaller lights with a larger white light in the middle of it. And they were pulsing too, but at a different tempo than the rest of the crime. than the body of the craft.

And that was the thing to me was, it was almost comical. It was like what you'd imagine drawn in a 1940s comic book. I wanted to see. Retro, kind of. Retro. Yeah. You drew it, right? I did draw a picture of it, yeah.

But our reaction was pretty crazy. You know, I practiced the quick draw on my camera. I'm not going to be that UFO guy that doesn't pull out his camera, right? But I'm thinking the whole time I'm sitting there, I literally said out loud. I'm not even going to try to film. Yeah. And I remember hearing that and going, it's, in my mind, it just seemed like, that's a weird thing.

And then I also, in retrospect, I go, it's really weird that I didn't call you out on it right away. But neither was, except for that one time that Jeremy said, yeah, I'm not going to take, try and try and film this. Neither of us spoke for the entire event. And it felt like you were addressing somebody, but it wasn't, you weren't really addressing me. I hadn't said anything.

Yeah. You were just saying it out loud like like somehow that thought popped into your head and Maybe it was do that. For me it was just like I was so astonished by what I was seeing I couldn't believe it you had just said made this joke yeah to me no it's just seemed so irrational What do you make of that that you say it and then boom one appears is that an invocation that it appeared because you said it I it's I'm I don't know it seems um It seems like it was. It seems almost weirder if it wasn't, you know, that we would just coincidentally discuss

this. Two people who were interested but have never seen anything. And there it is. And how long did it last and what happened at the end? It was a few minutes. Yeah. A few minutes. Yeah, we watched it.

Never pulled out that damn camera. And as I said, and except for that, we didn't say anything until it went away behind the mountains. Well, hold on. So in my defense, like I am astonished by what I'm seeing like, I can't believe it. that we're actually seeing one because it was so weird right after what he said. In my defense, if I had brought up the iPhone,

the darkness of the sky because it was almost completely dark, there was still a little bit of light, you would not have a great UFO video after that. So in my defense, maybe I was thinking I didn't want to hurt my eyes with the light so I didn't miss a second of it. But also we thought it was going to disappear. It seems so unusual.

We thought it would disappear immediately. That motherfucker hung out after the slips. It just kind of kept moving slow. And then it stayed in one spot stock still for an extended period of time. And then it... It descended. Any other witnesses in the days that followed? 100%?

Wiley my dog. My dog saw that. I think my dog summoned the... Any newspaper accounts? Any reports? Nobody. I asked... Like, I've had people in my area tell me about having pretty astounding sightings.

It's a cool area for watching UFOs. People have told me about some of their really astounding sightings. When I was actually editing the Bob Lazare movie right out on the mountain where I was editing it, there's an actor friend of mine who lives near me. And he was shaken. And he called me. And he had seen something that looked like a kind of like a tick-tac just hovering by that mountain with like portholes. The guy was like trembling when he told me.

Never told the story. He doesn't want to tell us. So he was, you know, so in that area, I don't know. But here's part of the weirdness is that that's, that really. response to it makes sense. Our response makes no sense. Right. That we had, neither one of us had any level of excitement or adrenaline wasn't rushing. They're just kind of misperized. Just going, and very calm, very, just matter of fact about it. And no, no, again, no emotional response and even since it, I have no emotional response to it when I think about it. Before you talk

about drawing it. I'll tell you this though. We got home and we built a bonfire and I said I went into full investigatory mode. Okay, tell me exactly what you saw. I want to make sure what did he see compared to me. And is it the same? Yeah, it was the same. I mean, he was able to describe the shape of it a little better than me, both by drawing but also in description. We had my, the thing that impressed me most was the sheer amount of raw power that it took to do that without Sonic Boone's because remember I saw it coming at that 45 degree angle and just stop and then move He had kind of more personal experience with that I think what he's saying about the way we reacted I have to chalk it up to just being astonished

Yeah, I think it's more than that because I think our astonishment we would have had some adrenaline rush there would have been some excitement because you what you know you watch People's videos of UFOs online and they're always going what the fuck is that yeah Jesus Christ what the fuck that's what is that right and None of that from us and even after it. It was just like after when it went behind the mountain Jeremy just went dude that was a UFO You know in UFO lore there are so many cases of people who witness something and then they fumble for their phone or their camera and try to get it and by the time they get it up there It's gone and yeah, so you have to make the decision do I want to see it or do I want to videotape it? Yeah, sometimes the two are

I I felt like it was like that our our response was not under our control and and that somehow we were led to just stay calm and pay attention. Okay, you ask for it? Here it is. Yeah. So just look at it. Don't get excited.

Just watch it so you'll remember what you saw. And that was it. I just didn't want to miss a second of it. That's the, for me, it just felt like I didn't, I hear all the things you're saying and it might be right, but I just, I didn't want to miss a second of it. And then the weirdest thing is, you know, I couldn't draw. were shit the next day he sends me text me an image but tell him about that that was pretty neat well yeah the next day i went home and i got out my iPad and started trying to draw it and i opened up an app that

i'd never opened up before uh a drawing app and immediately found basically every tool i needed to draw it uh how to to shade it i was able to get the exact color that i wanted uh was able to find an app that gave me the these sort of lens flare lighting effects for the front lights immediately. Everything immediately. It took about 15 minutes for me with no knowledge. Yeah, with no knowledge of the app and the fact that I have zero ability to draw. I cannot draw anything. But I was able to even get the perspective of the of the shape of it, this kind of weird kind of slightly triangular, almost like a bread roll, but slightly triangular kind of shape to it. I was able to draw that with perspective.

in the in in the accurate perspective so that it you know it you know diminished as it went you know as when as as the shape of it goes away from the front and and again 15 minutes I was done and and and after and at that point I just sort of went don't do any more you knew you were done yeah don't do anymore and I sent it to Jeremy as soon as I finished it and your reaction is that it's what we suppose that you're a fucking great artist How'd you do that? Like, I wanted to know, how did he do that? But yeah, it is what we saw.

And what's weird is, again, the thing that sticks with me, it was almost like a comic version of what a UFO should look like. It looked like a steampunk thing in a way. It was a machine and it did things that I know shouldn't have happened. It should not have been able to descend that fast, to move into that lateral line, to pulse with that glow and slip like this. I mean, I didn't ever want to tell this story. You know, UFO guy sees a UFO.

Come on. Yeah. But like, well, no, I felt part of me was going, oh, fuck. Now I have to tell people. And I was going, so it's much more pure to believe it just on the evidence. Yeah. You know, as opposed to having actually had an experience. Right.

So I was going, oh, all right. You know, now you done, did it. You saw UFO. Yeah. So, but the thing is, you know, I make no claims of understanding anything about this. I don't know where it was from, what it was operating. All I know is that we do not have that tech. That was so obvious to me at that moment.

And just the weirdness that it felt like it was being presented to us. It was like a display, a performance for your benefit. Because it circled the valley. And it didn't keep, it didn't go past us. It got to where we were and hung there for quite a while, you know. I don't know what to say, man. It was so fucking weird. I don't know what to say.

Well, we'll put the image out on this episode of Weaponized. Hopefully our listeners, our audience can react or maybe some of them have seen something similar because I've never seen an image like that like what you guys showed me at all. I've never even heard of a UFO shape like that. That's the other thing I wanted a disc, I wanted a cylinder, you know, I want to see something.

I had a shit. I remember having, deciding I put it up on Twitter and had spent an evening just sort of discussing it with whoever wanted to discuss it, answer whatever questions people are. But I remember somebody said, well, it sounds to me like what you saw was the illuminated wheel well of a jet craft going overhead. Sometimes that, it lights up just the underside of the wing.

So you're probably seeing the underside of the- Yeah, a slow flying airplane that was right there. I am positive, this was not a bird. It was not a typical plane. We saw all that stuff. We see it all the time out there. And it would have been pretty noisy if it was close enough that we, and it would be. Oh, burying.

Yeah, this thing's flying over orange grass. at that height? I mean, that was the eerie thing, was the absolute silence. So the thing was obviously larger than, at least the size of a big school bus. I mean, that you could see, you could actually physically see the texture,

you could see the craft itself. It wasn't like something like, you know, so far away you couldn't make that out. A wobble light. But it wasn't close enough. You could feel, almost sense the texture of the skin of it. Totally. And that color, you know, that glow. I just, I thought maybe it would explode a few times.

It was really bizarre, man. I don't know what to make of it. Well, we'll see what our audience says. See if anybody comes up with similar sightings from other parts of the world. Yeah. Yeah. But it's just that, that the condescension of people think, oh, I can explain this. Yeah. Like, why would you? Why would you think that when it doesn't match any element of what I just told you? But you'll go to like that is your explanation. You know, looking at Wikipedia.

and bios of yours online day in preparation for you coming over here. It was amazing how many of them say your baby face. You work on that? Is it still? He writes that in his own bias. I'm saying I think that's what it will read in the coroner's report. You know, the deceased, the baby face deceased. So there's no signs of.

Anything you can tell us what you got going? What kind of projects are coming in the future? Well, right now I guess the main thing that's coming up, It will be the Fargo, which I think will probably start airing in the fall, I think, is that. Also, in the process of trying to launch a UFO podcast. Awesome. With my friend Tom Wheeler, who's a novelist and showrunner and screenwriter. What's going to be the name of your show?

The show is called Really? And it is punctuated with a question mark, exclamation mark, period. Because to me, that's the transition. You go from curiosity to being shocked to accepting that there is a UFO reality. So it's like, really? It's like, really? Really? So look, we finally flipped Dave Foley.

He goes kind of like a skeptic guy all the way up to seeing his own UFO. So really glad, you know, I've had a lot of fun. Never a flat out skeptic, a skeptic of a lot of things. Okay, so says you. Okay. Yeah. But as a rational. I'm glad that you actually looking at the evidence now.

But anyway, thank you for your friendship over this time about the UFO thing and just talking to me. I've learned a lot from you about how to look at the social dynamic and how people look at UFO. So I really appreciate the way that you've put your mind in and kind of taught me how to think and look at this stuff and also how to just fuck off the haters. I appreciate everything that you taught me.

So thank you so much for joining us, dude. Thanks. Never has so few had so much to tell but would say so little. Following this and weaponized, the presentation of Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, Dark Course Entertainment, and Cadence 13 Studios. Available now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your shows.