WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Did Trump Authorize The Shootdown Of UFOs?

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Did President Trump authorize the military to shoot down UAP?Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are joined by Liberation Times journalist Chris Sharp to examine reports of a possible UAP shootdown order, alleged luring operations at White Sands, and the government’s refusal to directly answer questions about what may be happening over sensitive test ranges.Chris walks through his reporting on White Sands, laser systems, suspected intelligence operations, and why repeated non-answers from both the Department of War and White House have kept the story alive.The conversation then moves into even more extraordinary territory: David Grusch’s new account of seeing alleged UFO recovery footage involving non-human bodies, reports of competing non-human factions, crash retrieval programs, and the growing question of what congressional staff, intelligence committees, and the White House already know.At some point, more stories and more videos are not enough.Check out Chris’ work at https://LiberationTimes.comGOT A TIP?Leave a message for us at [phone]Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠•••MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.comMAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbellCLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclipsMORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com•••Watch SLEEPING DOG movie : https://SleepingDogMovie.com•••Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠•••You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here :BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠⁠⁠HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠⁠⁠PATIENT SEVENTEEN⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠⁠⁠•••For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media.Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com•••WEAPONED is produced by Michael Lazovsky https://MichaelLazovsky.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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was being tested to shoot down drones over that test range over white sands. Locust was developed with Mill McCasteland, who went missing. He was the technology director for the organization that actually developed the system in the first place. The conversation has kind of moved, you know, forward in the last number of weeks because, you know, we're hearing a lot about the beings now, you know, the occupants of these craft. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp hiding out here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell in Southern California somewhere.

How you doing, Jeremy? Good, George. How you doing, ma'am? Hanging in there, you know, kind of dealing with some stuff on my end that you know about and tried to deal with issues about this saggy old body, but hanging in there. And I know, you and I have been kind of removed from the central questions about what's going on UFO world. But whenever we need to reconnect with it, I know where we have to go. and it's not to Washington.

It's across the pond to the UK and ask our friend Chris Sharp what's going on. That's correct, right? That's what we need to do. That's right. Liberation Times, man. I've been watching Chris's work. We both have, you know, all the way along. And he's putting out bangers, man.

There's a couple articles in particular that he's recently written that I want to talk to him about. But yeah, man, he's in the thick of it, not just in the U.S. I happen to know some other stuff. He talks to people in the U.K. that are in position of power on this stuff too. So it's been interesting.

So Chris, good to see you, man. Hey, great to see you, Beau. Yeah, it's been too long. Yeah, so it's great to see you. I always send you photos and video of my beautiful country. So, yeah, I hope to get you down here sometime in the Georgian Dragon Pub. It kind of feels like the point in the Star Wars saga where Darth Vader tells Obi-Wan, I'm now the master.

I was the student and now the master. That kind of is how I feel about Chris and us. He kind of surpassed us, Jeremy, and now we go to him for tidbits of information when he's kind enough to drop us a couple of crumbs off the table. And he's got some kind of a relationship there at the Department of War? I don't know if it's a romance or what's going on. But I know that you, Jeremy, sent a couple of dozen questions a couple of weeks ago to the Department of War, that single spokesperson.

You did get a response, but not a response to any questions. However, our friend Chris seems to have great luck. good fortune in getting answers out of the Department of War. And I haven't figured it out yet what the combo is there, what the secret combination is, but congratulate him. Chris, you've been writing about some of the key questions in Uphology now, in particular, trying to get to the bottom of the reports that the president has authorized the shootdown of UFOs, UFOs or UIP orbs. Maybe it's over particular ranges, or maybe it's internationally. we don't exactly know. Can you share with us what you learn

for the Liberation Times about whether such an order was given? Yes. So, obviously some weird stuff has been going on, especially down in white sands, especially after February when El Paso Airspace was closed

around the airports. And we knew that had something to do with Fort Bliss and white sands and testing out some lasers. And it just so happened. that the Department of War through the Pursue Initiative released two documents pertaining to an event which we believe may have been over White Sands

whereby intelligence officials saw albs and they were tracking helicopters and they just, yeah, I mean, it was astonishing for those intelligence, well, at least one intelligence official for the interview, the FBI interviewed, one of the documents, and it was just in, well, he or she was in disbelief. And from my understanding, I think it's come out perhaps through representative, Eric Berluson, that it may have been a luring operation involving the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

and this event seems to have occurred before the El Paso event. It seems to have occurred in late 2025. So, yeah, we're all kind of like thinking, oh, there's really nothing to this, you know. Let's just check it out just to see if there was some kind of luring operation. And despite my best efforts for around three months of constantly asking the Department of War, whether a luring operation occurred, I've received no answers. It's a blank every single time.

And, you know, note the fact that I'm getting responses to other questions. It's just this one question, a total blank. So, and then a few weeks after I started asking questions, Ross Coulthart, journalist from News Nation, made an allegation, a starting allegation, that there had been orders provided from my understanding from the White House to shoot down unidentified flying objects or UAP over a test range, which we think is white sands.

And when I first heard that story, I was speaking to a lot of people. A lot of them were very, very skeptical over what Ross was saying. However, since I'm hearing more answers saying, actually, there could be something to this. So with some help from a very, very good trusted friend of mine, I asked a question of the Department of War firstly. Have you, you know, has the Department of War been authorised to shoot down UAP over any test ranges by Donald Trump? They actually answered me on that one,

say that you have to go to the White House. If there's anything pertaining to Donald Trump, authorising anything, you need to ask the White House. So that's what I did. I went to the White House. I think it was last Tuesday. I asked the White House press team. I said, I asked the same question. Did Donald Trump authorize to shoot down a view of UAP? They responded straight away saying, what is your deadline? I thought I was being very kind by saying, look, I'll give you to a Friday, end of play, your time. And I received no response. I followed up, say, look, is your answer coming? When can I expect it?

No response. But it shows you that they did. They did notice my email. It came through their inbox. They saw it. And they decided not to answer. So why are they doing that? It would be much easier if there was nothing going on to say,

look, press, there's nothing to you. This is a silly talk. No shoot down orders have been provided by Donald Trump. They could have shot down this story, you know, for want to a better phrase instantly, but they've chosen not to. That goes for the Department of War with the luring operation and shoot down allegations and the White House as well for those same allegations and it's decided to not comment. So I think there is something there. So, yeah, they could have said no. You got a non-denial denial in a sense. I mean, the Department

of War, if such an order had been issued by the commander-in-chief or one of his emmer, in the White House, it would have to go to them. They would know, presumably. And they didn't say no. They kicked you back to the White House. And they didn't give you denial. It feels like maybe there's something there. I guess the question is, is it just for that test range or do we know? It's a very, very, very interesting question. And I, in my later story, I put an interesting timeline together. And it related to, a laser which was being tested and this is verified through news publications that a laser system called Locust was being tested to shoot down drones over that test range over white sands

Locust was developed with Mill McAstland who went missing. He was the technology director for the organization that actually developed the system in the first place. So they start testing that and then a few days later he disappears. And I think since then there has actually been a contract signed between the US military and the manufacturer of that system.

So it's certainly interesting. They are certainly using lasers and the allegation has been put to me by sources before that there was an historic shootdown program involving James Clapper and Stethnia Sullivan under the Obama era where they were shooting down UAPs and there was the allegation that there was a program called Golden Domes, plural, not Golden Dome,

golden domes where they were using lasers to shoot down UAP. That's another allegation that's floated around. So yeah, it certainly makes for an interesting story. Let's just say that. Shooting at UAP or trying to shoot down UAP, unless it's like a coordinated recovery mission, which is much more secret. But we know in general that that is something that is done from time to time. George and I broke a story about the Syria Dome UAP.

It's the one that always makes me uncomfortable because it looks like the cookie monster. But we released a still image that we obtained through a flow of information to Central Command. And we told everybody at the time, even though people did kind of laugh at us at first, but we reported it correctly, which is there are occasions in which we shoot down or shoot at UAP. Close proximity to ground troops is a major one. If the UAP appears to be able to carry a payload is the second one. So we already have parameters historically where our military can shoot at or shoot down UAP.

We also know that because in Congress, when George was testifying, that was the the hearing where we got footage for the first time of a UAP that was shot at and hit. So it's not unprecedented that we do shoot at UAP, and we've reported that for quite some time. But I think what you're talking about is a much more organized and high-tech program rather than just normal defense where we're shooting at or shooting down UAP for retrieval purposes. Is that kind of the core of why this story is different? Yeah, I think so.

from my understanding, let's take the allegations relating to luring. This looks like it's being done under control conditions, that they may be using bait, let's say, let's say like a nuclear device or something like that to lure them, and then shooting them down using control conditions. And let's just say the technology that you're using to shoot down these things, if that allegation is true, could stem from a more historic effort,

let's say. Whereas I think some of the ones over the Middle East, I think it's just a deconfliction problem in terms of their operating an environment where you've actually got real-life enemy drones that are attacking air bases and whatnot, and they're using whatever weaponry they can actually to shoot them down. So, yeah, it certainly makes a very, very interesting story. It gets very murky, too. When, you know, UFO or UAP, sometimes it's called UAS. I know when we were talking about the 2019 overflights,

the drones that were buzzing those 10 Navy warships off the Pacific Coast, Jeremy, they called them different things. They had different shapes, called them different things. But there were steps they would have to go through before they could fire on them, trying to bring them down, right? that were very standard steps. And I guess if this order really did come to the president from the president, it kind of eliminates those steps and gives a green light, at least for purposes of this particular operation.

Yeah, it would make you wonder because I don't think they're going to change overall protocols. Like that in 2019, it was not in a hostile region of the world. It's right off the coast of San Diego. And so I'm not sure how much that would dictate a change during those events. everybody who was in charge of fighting the ships at that time, you know, said that they didn't, it wasn't indicative of intent. You know, you have opportunity, but it wasn't indicative of intent, so they weren't going to just fire at them. But, you know, later we come to find out, they did deploy a number of electromagnetic weapons to try to down whatever these UAP were, and they were all

ineffective, all of them, every attempt for multiple ships. I know of three. So I guess when you say you're firing at them, it's like, what are you firing at them? Yeah. Same thing happened to UK, right? Chris, you reported that there were incursions over these joint US-UK bases and that various means were implemented to try to bring them down and none of them worked. Yeah, correct. Special forces use the most sophisticated hit it could to try and bring these things down. And nothing ever worked. Nothing ever worked. We've seen this. You know, we've been documenting these cases, haven't we? From Palmdale to Langley to Lake and Heath, all across Europe, it seems that they can't bring them down.

What are we dealing with here? Are we dealing with something that's non-human? Or are we dealing with some exotic Chinese or Russian tech, which is basically a game over, which is something I've been looking at as well, you know, with that Green Beret bomber who apparently blew himself. up outside the Trump Hotel. I think that was in Las Vegas, perhaps. And, you know, he made the allegations saying that some of these drones are Chinese using exotic technology. And because of that exotic technology, they can have unlimited payload and park themselves,

you know, outside the White House, basically. So I don't know. I'm looking at both options because we have to take seriously now, I think, that there may be an arms race behind the scenes, you know. And we know that America, like, are watching. these Chinese bases, they're watching the Russian bases, looking for any signs that a breakthrough has been achieved in technology from reverse engineering programs.

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float above Langley 17 nights in a row, certainly not very comforting to think that they might be Chinese. Maybe it's more comforting to think they're from genuine unknowns. But there is a real race for us to get up to speed on anti-unk-UAP technology, whether it's lasers or some other system. I saw that just a couple of days ago they announced some sort of a test over the Yuma test range, an anti-dron system that will simulate what it would be like over a populated area to bring some drones down, drones using it in the very most generic sort of a sense of the word. Yeah, absolutely. I think you've got to be very, very careful as well when you're in stake in these exercises. As part of an article, I used a historic case of what happened. So there was

something called, I think it was a program called Airspace Denial, which occurred over South America, involving to stop the drug cartels using certain air routes. It's an airbridge denial. I involved multiple agencies, including the CIA down in South America, working with like Peruvian military, for example. And unfortunately, that ended with a civilian aircraft being shot down it accidentally through this program. So, you know, you see stories such as, I think a civilian plane, like a medical plane or something, went down over white sands some months ago. So you do wonder, has anything gone wrong?

If Crump gave these orders and a civilian. civilian aircraft or an accident happened or something like that, something went down, could that be a reason why they're quite uncomfortable potentially of revealing anything? I don't know. It's certainly worth pondering. The conversation has kind of moved, you know, forward in the last number of weeks because, you know, we're hearing a lot about the beings now, you know, the occupants of these craft.

You wrote an article, I just want to ask you something about it. It was Tom O'Neill's account of a senior congressional staffer who was, you know, describing him briefings involving recovered craft, you know, biologics, beings. That was your September 4th article. Why did you decide to write that? What do you think about it? I think that I did ask a few buddies of mine about Tom A. Neal. And he is a straight talking journalist.

If he tells you something, it is the truth. And he is as solid as they come in terms of sources. if he said it, it happened. And he was allegedly told this by a source within the house, I believe, a staffer. And, you know, for me now, the story is not any more of like these bureaucrats are hiding this stuff. It's actually now, okay, what do these staffers know? What are the staffers within the sex, you know, intelligence committee within the Senate? What do they know?

What did they know? What did they find out? What have the House committees found out? What do they know? Are they the ones now not coming forward and telling the truth about what they have learned about UAP as opposed to just the bureaucrats now? And I think we can extend that to the White House now as well. What do they know that they're not telling us?

So I don't think that question can just be asked of the bureaucrats now. You can ask these questions of the Senate and House staffers and members of these key commitments. that we're hearing. So I think this story has moved on a lot and I think I'm now comfortable talking about biologics as well. I think, yeah, that's

how much the story has progressed. Jeremy, you were listening to a Dave Grush interview that was unfolding as we were getting ready to prepare or record this episode. Did he weigh in on biologics? Do you know? Yeah, he sure did. I mean, I was like, it just

just came out. You sent me at the link And Joe Rogan had Dave Grush again on the podcast. And I love it. Every time Joe has somebody in the UFO world on, I root for it. Because, you know, part of me knows that Joe is going to tear someone down if they're lying or they're not being clear or if they're, you know, some government spook. So I'm rooting for the fact that we're going to see a more personal side of somebody when they go on a show. And yeah, man, it was cool. From what I saw, David Gresh was talking about a number of things that really sparked people.

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About seeing video footage of a recovery operation of a UFO where there were bodies, like a bunch of bodies laying around, you know, occupants that were non-human. He described him as being, you know, kind of albino with super pale, light, white, little bit of blue hue in the skin, that it was a recovery mission that he then went. and, you know, did his own verification that he wasn't getting punked with. This wasn't some secret operation to get him to go out and talk about it. And, you know, Dave is really fastidious with what it is he decides to say. He's been through a lot that guy.

So he talked about personally seeing this recovery footage. And he even thought, I recall that he said, yeah, he thinks that that will become part of the pursue documentation. Can you imagine that, guys, if at that point we get footage of a, downed craft, a UFO and bodies sprawled out. I mean, that's just going to start a lot of questions, but how cool would that be? So yeah, he talked about that. He talked about some of the criminal threats against his life. And he talked about, gosh, he has a lot of hope that Trump is going to acknowledge, at least acknowledge the idea of occupants and recovered craft and reverse engineering programs. And I know, Chris, you've been a little optimistic about that at times.

And I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. What stood out to you in Grush's interview today? I think it's very, very interesting in terms of the competing factions that I've been reporting about. And that seems to be supported by Dave in terms of dog bikes and stuff relating to different species, such as he spoke about reptilians, being shot down by, I think, Greys. from my understanding that there is kind of like a cold war competing factions and it's been told to me that it's between a species of reptiles and what we would call the Nordics

there is kind of a cold war situation it's very very complicated and so that seems to be supported and I think the Trump stuff's very very interesting obviously I've been reporting on that It depends how I'm feeling. Sometimes I'm feeling in a George Knapp kind of mood. On other days, I'm full of opium.

But it's different. I think as a journalist, like for me, it is very, very difficult with this story because I'm getting some sources saying there is definitely something to this. It's going to happen.

You have to trust me on this, Chris. It's going to happen. I just know. And then you get other people. people basically say, look, there's nothing to this. He's never going to do anything. He's never going to say anything, as in Trump. And I don't know what to think.

So from my perspective, actions speak louder than words. I'm not going to predict anything. I'm going to let the action speak for themselves. And if we get actions reveal themselves to be truthful and to be faithful to disclosure, that's great. But I'm not going to make any predictions.

We have heard some interesting states. sometimes conflicting, people like Representative Burleson who's had briefings. He and a couple of other people have come out of these briefings, wide-eyed and pale-faced and sort of amazed by what they've seen, and they hint about it. We have a U.S. Senator who came out of one a couple of days ago, and there were hints that were dropped that whatever was floating over Langley 17 nights in a row may have been Chinese technology, which would have been just as easily upsetting as saying aliens or ETs or something like that. that. I don't know if all these guys are in different briefings, but it sure sounds like at least some of them are seeing the kinds of things that Dave Grush is talking about seeing today in regard to luring. So this is not the first time we've heard about luring. Jeremy, you and I reported on it six, seven years ago. And as I recall, the information that was shared with us was, there was an experiment where nuclear materials, the number I remember was 18 out of 18 times it was successful. They lured these things out, I think, into the ocean on ships, nuclear submarines,

maybe some other ships with nuclear weapons on them. And 18 out of 18 times these UFOs, UAP, whatever they are, followed. I guess my question would be, would a UAP made by China have the ability to detect nuclear materials? I would guess so. That's earthly kind of technology and be lured in to a place like white sands. I mean, is it possible these? These are you These are foreign objects, foreign drones, advanced technology that are now going into white sands and being targeted by whatever anti-dron tech we're developing out there. What do you think, Chris? I think that is extraordinary interesting because the number one deterrent, at least in my country,

the UK, is the nuclear weapons that we have underwater in the submarines. and if China has made a breakthrough in terms of its technology so that it can detect nuclear technology under the oceans that means that our nuclear deterrent is totally countered by Chinese technology you know these submarines you know that that's what we pay for them to actually be under sea for them to go unnotice for them to be invisible and if there is a nuclear war if anyone messes of the UK

we could just launch them They don't know where they're going to come from. They don't know where these submarines are. So if China has suddenly made a breakthrough and they can actually discover where these submarines are, then our whole nuclear deterrent has been nullified. So that would be extremely worrying. And I think when you're thinking about any potential disclosure from President Trump, I think there would need to be a lot of background work to be done.

I think there would need to be arms treaties, if there is, a race behind the scenes. There would need to be mental health infrastructure as well, which is something that Dr. Phil has noted. So I think if we are going there, I think we have to watch for a number of signs, you know, because if there is an arms race, I mean, it's getting quite worrying right now. China has developed such technology, let's say. The other question that comes up, obviously, Jeremy, I'd like you to weigh on on this too, and then Chris, our guest, is the wisdom of shooting at genuine UAP.

Let's say the things who were flying over the 2019, those ships in 2019 were Chinese platforms, and that the ones in Langley were Chinese, the ones over New Jersey were from an Iranian mothership of some kind. That's challenging. But to imagine that they are genuine UAPs, non-human intelligence, something from somewhere else that we really don't know where they're from, how wise is it to go ahead and shoot them down? I mean, humans, at least Americans, have been popping off at UFOs for decades, basically since the beginning of the modern era. Thankfully, they have not yet ignited an interplanetary war. But I know that in Russia, there were, as I reported and told Congress, there were a couple of dozen instances where Russian warplanes went after UFOs with the intent to bring them down.

Mostly the UFOs took off and left them in the dust. But in three of those instances, the Russian warplanes fired, and those planes went down. The UFOs went away. And then after that, the order was issued to all Russian military, leave them alone. If you see them, leave them alone because they, quote, may have the capacity for incredible retaliation. That seems like a pretty good idea. I mean, we don't know who they are, why they're here, where they're from. If that's real, those mysteries are legit, shooting at them.

does not seem like a very good idea to me. Yeah, the old saying, curiosity killed the cat, but I'll remind you, cats have nine lives. So I don't know, man. You know, I think it's in our nature to explore. I think we've been doing this a long time. Obviously, we have reported on other luring operations. And yeah, everything you said is what I recall as well from those. You know, I specifically spoke with just a congressional member that was describing the luring

situation to me that Chris just reported was most likely white sands. I didn't say anything. And, you know, I think that the idea is now that we know all of these situations that can occur and draw in these what we call UAP, these unidentified, you know, it's too seductive to not try to get that technology for an advantage. And it sounds like that's what they've been trying to do. If that's what we're hearing more, it makes me think that, you know, they want us to know that. That this is not, we were told about this luring thing, George, if you recall, right after it happened, you know. And we didn't, I actually went on weaponized, I think, at some point, and asked for people to come forward more information because we didn't have a lot of information about it. Now we've got a lot more on that event that occurred because of the FBI documents and all that through pursue.

So I feel like we're being led to be acclimated to this. There are crash retrievals that they do. These craft do sometimes carry bodies. We have David Grush up on Joe Rogan as an official who is trusted in our government at the highest levels. And he's just saying it like he experienced it. You know, I think some of this has to be willful by our government to get people up to speed on the idea that, yeah, UFOs are real. And they're also piloted. and we've been trying to reverse engineer them.

But I think once they admit that part, everybody's going to be like, okay, where are they held, where are the bodies, where are the craft, what have you learned, prove it, you know, Congress is going to get pissed, where did the money come from? So I think it's up to a point that our government wants us to be acclimated. They don't want us to know we've ran 40-year programs. Like Dr. Lackatsky said, you know, breaching the whole of UAP that we already have in possession, that causes too many questions. So maybe we're just at the point where everybody wants us to be, where we're asking the fundamentals.

Chris, I remember you're reporting about those incursions over those U.S.-UK bases in your home country there. And it was kind of sketchy. They dodged you about whether they had employed anti-dron tech against the drones. And they were trying to get answers about the incursions and how serious they were taken or also, you know, kind of dodgy and sketchy. But it seems like they did try to take them down over those bases and taken them down. after they come into restricted airspace is one thing. Taking them down if they come into white sands is one thing. But in order that says, shoot them down wherever they are,

that seems pretty risky to me. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very risky. And, you know, from my understanding, for what I've been told, that there is a mixture of genuine UAP, which may be non-human, and spy activity using exotic technology, has been for a long time on the East Coast. Let's say there's places.

installations on that East Coast like Pax River where the US may be storing some exotic technology of their own and because of that it's right territory for this ISR activity let's say and I suppose when it gets that East Coast where you're experiencing a lot of those incursions you've also got a high degree of civilian aircraft as well flying down there so that's not the place you really want to be experimenting with it. So white sands is a way, you know, in a way is the best place to do that. But also if you are China and your Russian, do you have some exotic stuff, you're going to do it on the East Coast because if the US does try to take you down, you know, there could also be a disaster as well. You know, and I wanted to go one step beyond

shooting at UAP, which is shooting at non-humans and killing non-humans as well, which is something that Dave Grush stated in his Joe Rogan interview about reptilians from a crash retrieval being shot at, I believe by the teams that actually recovered the craft and the biologics of these reptilians were alive. And that's something I find really, really quite scary as well, the fact that, you know, the US, the UK, whoever else might actually. be killing non-human beings. And I'm a vegetarian myself, you know. I'm someone who's pro-animal rights and stuff like that. But so, you know, any sentient life basically being killed does raise a lot of questions

to me, especially in this context. Had a chance to speak with Jacques Valet three different times over the past month. And each time he peels another layer off the onion in which he acknowledged that that non-human beings had been taken into custody alive, in addition to bodies being found. I think he mentioned something like a dozen that he knew about, a dozen of them, that he knew for sure about, and is known for a long time. And I think about the ones that are alive and in captivity, maybe the one in Virginia, as well as this one that Gilbert that supposedly communicating with a live one or was years ago. And it's a sense of profound sadness sort of like these

beings where they're from way, way far away or another reality altogether and they're in custody, they've got to be really scared, especially for shooting at them. And who knows what we do to them behind closed doors, you know, what we do to humans behind closed doors. I don't know. It's an interesting time to be alive and be pondering these kind of questions. And I don't know where it leads. You know, I'm not confident that we're going to get any revelations from the Trump administration before that, that term ends. I don't know, Jeremy, if you, you're, you're Mr. Sunshine. No, I'm not, I'm not super optimistic on this. I just, you know, I'm amazed that we're having people openly talk about how within government they met with reptilians, you know, and like, I'm not

judging if that's true or not true. I have no idea, but it's so wild to me now. This is in the mainstream, and we're, we're having these conversations. You know, where does this go from here? you know, I get the, the texts I'm getting this morning, people are so frustrated, you know, news people that are reached out to me, like, what is he talking about? Do we have, you know, beings? Do we have actual biologic? So now these questions are being asked out loud. And I guess that's, um, that's a step forward. And I just, I don't know if we're going to get answers. But some people like Dave seemed very convinced that we're going to get some sort of acknowledgement. And I'll just put it at that. He seemed very convinced when I, you know, kind of finalized watching

the episode that we're going to get some sort of acknowledgement of crash retrievals and biologics. And there's a guy right there. He's telling you what he saw in official capacity in government. And I think that needs to be addressed to it. Visit BetMDMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick. BetMDM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly, 19 plus to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

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in Europe in terms of mainstream media coverage. You've done such great reporting. Liberation Times has broken so many stories. I just don't know how much of it bleeds over into other medium. No, not really. I mean, I think the first few document dumped started making news in the UK, but it's kind of gone off the radar, really, in the UK. No one's really talking about it anymore.

I mean, I suppose we're tied up the road stuff now, and it's just pretty depressing, you know, on, because I watched the UK and US bases with a very, very close eyes on Saturday night. There were reports of the major security situation outside RAFairhood, which is where the US is operating aircraft, which are being used to bomb Iran.

And, you know, one of the witnesses, just a young boy I spoke to, is basically saying that armed personnel from the base of pointing guns at them, saying to, get away. And here I was kind of like looking to see if there was another drone situation or UAP situation occurring. But yeah, instead it looked like it was an Iranian bat block

bomb, but you know, I did break that story, which is good because I keep an eye on these things. But I suppose that's the major conversation at the moment dominating our news. I had the same thought when I heard about that. It was a breaking news story. And then they mentioned the Coswald's and my interest changed because because the Coswolds is the location of mobland, which is my favorite show on television. So my focus completely changed from UFOs to mafia killers. My dad lives there in the Cotswarts.

It's beautiful. I need to ask my dad some tough questions, I think, now. I want to say that I think the bar has been raised. You know, when you and I would obtain military film footage and we saw value in it, we'd put it out. When we receive things now, which we still do, and some of it, it's like it's oversaturated already. There's so much military film footage out there.

So the bar has kind of been raised. What I'd love to see, I think everybody would love to see, is any documented proof of these crash retrieval programs, like hardcore proof, other than people like Dr. Lackatzky already telling us about some of them. I think that people need the next level of evidence. And I hope that comes. But anyway, you were wrapping up.

Sorry. No, I was just going to say, I mean, we've talked about it before a few times on this podcast, is that my real concern, our concern, is that the public gets burnt out on it. Yeah. That way there's UFO overload. There's too many stories, too many claims,

too many promises that, hey, any day now we're going to get the really good stuff is going to come out, and then an announcement's going to be made, and then it doesn't happen again and again and again. And eventually, I think the public gets burned out and moved on to something else. And maybe that's a calculated strategy is to flood the zone with too much UFO news, and eventually the public gets sick of it and moves on to something else. That's what you and I kind of felt from the very beginning about the whole psionics movement. It felt unnatural.

And we've seen how that's gone. You know, if there was truth to that, then we'd love to see the basic, you know, perform what it is you say you could perform. That does feel like a penetration into popular culture was something that was synthetic. You know, look, maybe I'm wrong. A lot of people are going to be mad at me. They want me to be wrong on that. But that's what it felt like to me. And I think also you as a journalist that it just felt synthetic the way it infiltrated the study or the look into euphology, you know.

Chris, any hints about where Liberation Times is heading next? What stories are on the horizon? Yeah, I think, like you said, it's very, very oversaturated at the moment. We have so many, so many videos, so many document dumps. So I think we're just looking to, we're looking to hold the feet. you know, the government speaks to the fire in terms of getting more context from them, not just you decide civilians, you know, we want some context, what is the data showing you, what's your best estimation of what these things are.

So I think we're heading in that direction. And yeah, we're just trying to provide as much context. We're trying to find sources that we believe to be very, very, very good sources that are believable, that have always provided us with good information. and we're trying to break stories from those sources. We're also at the same time trying to actually push to government to actually provide more context and actually give us some answers. You know, because there must have been some assessments to these videos.

What do we think they are? Any abnormal behaviour, stuff like that. So I'm hoping we get more of that. And I don't know, people within Trump's circle do believe that he's going to do something. I mean, Matt Gates told me that, you know, Trump likes to build things up like this. Who knows? But like I said, only actions will tell. But yeah, I do feel there's a real risk.

This topic's going to go away that people just kind of like say, where's the beef, you know, and we have nothing to show them for it, just a bunch of objects acting strangely. And we don't know what they are. So I'm just hoping we get a little bit more information. Well, I know where I'm getting my information is, from Liberation Times. I keep an eye on every issue that comes out and try to figure out a way that Jeremy,

I can take credit for it, right, Jeremy? So yeah, everybody watch Liberation Times, but go check it out. They can contact you through the website and through your X, right? Liberation Times? Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, that's where you can get in touch with me.

And yeah, it's, we've come a long way, let's say, and we've all come a long way, haven't we, in terms of this story. So, yeah, it's always such a pleasure being on with you guys as well. I count you both as really, really close friends. And yeah, just thank you for having me on. Thanks, Chris.

It's always great talking to you.