WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Firsthand Military Witness Goes Public - Four "TIC TAC" UAPs

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Crew members aboard the USS Jackson witnessed an astonishing encounter with four unknown objects off the coast of Southern California in February 2023, and now, one of those eyewitnesses is stepping forward. In this episode, Jeremy and George are joined by an active-duty Navy service member who describes in vivid detail seeing a glowing, Tic-Tac-shaped object emerge from the ocean. The transmedium craft then linked up with three other Tic Tacs which subsequently zipped away in tight formation. The objects were detected on multiple sensors and a video was recorded by crew members inside the Combat Information Center of the ship. The witness, Alex Wiggins, an active-duty Navy service member with 23 years of service, says sailors routinely encounter unidentified objects in the area where the first Tic Tac incident was documented in 2004. DETAILED NEWS REPORT HERE : https://www.weaponizedpodcast.com/news-1/uss-jackson-tic-tac-uap GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2 Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Everybody wants to hear from somebody that was there But it's hard, man, it's hard to get people that were there to talk, especially if they're current even though they're not talking for the Navy and they're talking for themselves But I bet we're feeling lucky today, right? I've been on the West Coast of San Diego since 2002 is when I joined the Navy

to my surprise, which is something I've never witnessed, was a light I noticed on the horizon, but it was, it looked as if it were surfacing out of the water and going up. They all executed at the same time leaving. It's not like three of them left and then one was kind of like a little behind them. No, it was, they were all in sync at the same time. This is really, really important. I want to emphasize this. In the video, we see two objects.

And over the course of the 35 seconds of that video, those two objects stay identically separated. They're separated by about a half an angle, 0.6 degrees. And that means they're moving in formation across the sky. And that is absolutely critical to ruling out planes, right? Because over 35 seconds, two planes would be going in vastly different directions. And yet here we have not only corroboration of the eyewitness accounts, but also ruling out distant aircraft, commercial. aircraft. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbell, who is hiding out somewhere. How you doing, Jeremy? I'm good, George. It's

been a good day. How are you? It's been a good week. I mean, we were able to share with the world this video of an incident from February 23 involving a U.S. warship to USS Jackson. And a lot of discussion since the video came out, people trying to poke holes in it. We fortunately had some conversations and audio clips from one of the witnesses, one of the key witnesses on board the ship, but people are trying to wonder who was this guy who shared his thoughts with us and maybe we need to tell him. Yeah, I think that would be exceptional. If we could get somebody who was actually there, who was firsthand witness to this event series that we were able to obtain footage and put it out of, that would be exceptional. Everybody

wants to hear, everybody wants to hear from somebody that was there. But it's hard. man it's hard to get people that were there to talk especially if they're current even though they're not talking for the navy and they're talking for themselves but i bet we're feeling lucky today right well you've been working this for a while i mean you know i should give you credit because you know it's it's scary for somebody to come forward to agree to have their name and face out there to to suffer the slings and arrows that inevitably come from going public on this but i think you've been done a really good job of assuring this witness that he'd be okay if he came forward. We are careful about that. I mean, actually, we should tell our audience, we tried to stop him from using his voice, right? We thought maybe that wasn't a good idea. Yeah, look, he's not doing anything wrong. It's just that he was an observer to what it is we put out, that video. He knows about it. He was there. And yeah, of course, like, it's just, it's different to put your face out there. And we did try to, but he's committed, man. And he says, no, I know that video.

I know what you're talking about. I want to talk. And I'm really grateful. And of course, the context, Admiral Tim Gallaudet appeared at that last congressional hearing, made statements, shared about his own experiences in the U.S. Navy. The Navy has pushed the ball down the court, down the field, saying we want transparency, we want reporting, we want less stigma. Well, here we go. We've got an active duty U.S. Navy guy who is here to tell us what happened on the USS Jackson. You should introduce him. All right. So I'll let him introduce himself even.

This is Alex. Alex, great to talk to you. Can we just start with what was in your decision making to come forward with this, both today showing your face and your name? Yeah, so I was alerted by Admiral Tim that you and George Knapp had obtained a video of the ship I was on. So through Admiral Tim, he got me in contact with you, Jeremy, and that's why I was able to kind of talk with you and get to where we are now. Yeah, that's good. You were in touch with Admiral Tim. I know that his testimony in front of Congress inspired you to reach out to a Navy Admiral and say, hey, I was on a ship, something happened.

There's footage going around. And so when George and I obtained that, we often sit on that footage for a long time. But when Admiral Tim told me, there was somebody who was there that would talk to us, I was really excited about that. So I just want to start with you establishing what is your name, what is your rank? Are you currently in the military? And why are you coming forward now? absolutely. I am operations specialist senior chief, Alexandra Wiggins. I've been in the Navy for 23 years and counting.

And I work here in San Diego currently on shore duty. And yeah, my last command was the USS Jackson. That's actually my little going away present right there from the Jackson. And so you're not speaking on behalf of the Navy. You're speaking on behalf of yourself. You're not a whistleblower. You're simply a witness. And it's like us talking about a common which is UAP UFOs because you've now seen one come up out of the water on radar and on thermal. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I don't view myself as a whistleblower because I associate whistleblowing with, you know, something that is wrong and the person speaking up against, you know, something or a system that is doing wrong things. Nothing was done wrong here. It's just someone who's eyewitness to a video and to an experience that happened that most people, you know, on the planet, that A, don't ever see in their lives, but don't have a way of explaining.

So, you know, the Navy has sort of led the charge in trying to reduce the stigma about reporting UFOs, USOs. The whole government has said, yeah, we're interested in transparency. We want people to come forward. We want witnesses, pilots, aviators, whatever, to come forward. You're one of those guys. You're taking them at their word that you're not going to get in trouble for reporting to the world what you saw. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I, you know, the Navy knows that I definitely love the organization and everything that it's, you know, provided for me and everything that I've done with the Navy.

Yeah, I really don't see myself as someone who's in the position for speaking for the Navy because that's not what I'm doing. I'm just someone who witnessed something that was out there, again, in the video that I spoke about with Jeremy and Admiral that, hey, you know what, I was there. I want to give you my firsthand, you know, witness testimony as to what occurred on that video and a little bit after that video. And just here to add to anything that helps us understand what's actually out there. You grew up in Las Vegas. You've had a chance to see 20 plus years of my UFO stories. I hope I did not twist your mind too much over those years. No, not at all. Yeah, I grew up in Las Vegas. then went to Cheyenne High School for graduating. And, yeah, I've watched you when your hair was as dark as mine.

You had shared with Jeremy the fact that sailors in that area see these things all the time. Tell us a little bit more about that. When you may have seen your first one, I suspect it's something that we know about, and how often it's seen and how the Navy handles it. Yeah, absolutely. I've been on the west coast of San Diego since 2002 is when I joined the Navy. And I've been out of country in between that time. But however, I've been on the West Coast, the majority of my career.

And off good old San Diego coast, you, as being in the Navy, we go out there, we do our mission, we, you know, workups and things of that nature. And every now and again, you know, we will see satellites. We will see shooting stars. things of that nature. And then you'll see things that are very unexplained, like the video that Jeremy released. So you'll see that more often than not. And I have conversations with plenty of sailors that I work with and have worked with

that we'll see things and it's unexplained. And we see them so often that we just kind of joke about it. You know, we'll say we can't explain it. You know, I'm a radar operator on board the USS Jackson at the time. of the video in 2023. So the position is called TAC. So we were monitoring the radar and that's what we do. So if there's things that we can't explain when it comes to the kinematics of a contact on our screen, then, you know, we'll use visual. We'll use other sensors like Sapphire. We'll, you know, we'll look out of the bridge wings and see what we can see to identify what's around us. And

every now and again we will see things that we can't explain. And when I say that, it's not as if we're seeing things that are a threat to, you know, the military, a threat to our ship. There's just things that we identify. You know, there's helicopters, there's aircraft that are commercial aircraft all around San Diego, the coast, and things of that nature. So it's my job on that watch to identify what's what. And when you can't identify what's what, it makes you kind of skeptical. And when you say you're not able to identify these things, meaning they're in the air, in the water, both? In the air, specifically for my task as the TACOM is to ensure, you know, the air pitcher is,

you know, the way it needs to be in order for us to conduct our operations. But if there's something that's unexplainable, I'll depend on my team in ICC1, which is Combat Information Center for an LCS ship. And I depend on them to kind of help me out and figure out what we're actually. witnessing and what we're seeing. Yeah. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed-sponsored jobs.

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Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. So take us back to this night in February of 2023. What's going on? Where are you? How does this first come to your attention? So that night, it was an evening into the night watch.

We were standing. And typical day underway, conducting normal operations off the coast of San Diego. And there was a time that I witnessed on my radar a few contacts popping up. It was northeast on the contact on the radar. The radar is in true. So northeast-ish looking at the radar and noticed a few things come in and out. You know, I've been in the Navy for 23 years as an operation specialist. So I know the difference between, you know, helicopters, which I'm an air, my helo controller myself.

with an NEC of kilo control. And knowing the difference between that, commercial navigation radars, which are your typical Comnav that are going to Hawaii possibly. And then atmospherics. So things like clouds, rainstorms, things like that. You learn over the years to differentiate what's what on your radar. So that night,

I noticed that I couldn't differentiate what was what at all amongst the things that I just mentioned. So I decided to go out to the bridge wing just to take a look to see. I didn't think it was that far away. I think, you know, it's nighttime, so light travels. So I figured, you know what? Let me just poke outside, see what I can see. And to my surprise, which is something I've never witnessed, was a light I noticed on the horizon,

but it was, it looked as if it were surfacing out of the water and going up. Now, seeing lights on the horizon, very typical when you're out in the water, but seeing a light on the horizon going into the air is a different story. So witnessing that I'm not sure of what I'm seeing. What goes through my head maybe there's, you know, a military team that's out there conducting flight operations and maybe their helo's hovering, something like this, you know, but their lights blink. I'm a helo controller. So I know that their lights, their running lights are going to be blinking, red, green, and, you know, pulsating.

So it's not like it's going to be a solid light, and that's what I witnessed was a solid light rising from the horizon up. So went back inside, looked at my radar to just kind of match what I'm seeing with my own eyes. And I didn't really see what I thought I was going to see. I only saw one light visually, but then I saw four different contacts on radar. So seeing those four contacts on radar, I asked our CSM, I forget what that stands for right now, but combat systems, I forget the full title, but asked the CSM to take a look on Sapphire. They're in charge of managing Sapphire and moving it around to just look at surface and air contacts around our ship. So they slew

over to the location that I gave them, the direction in which I gave them. And that's where you see the video cut into play, where you see it slew in into that target to kind of look at it. And, you know, they're the operator so they know how to zoom in and kind of see what the profile of the contact that we're looking at to kind of understand, okay, if it were a Comnav radar, which is a typical, you know, airliner 747, then we're going to say, okay, good to go. They're,

you know, headed off to Hawaii or wherever, anywhere to the west. But that night, we didn't witness that as shown by the video. So the sensor is pointed toward land, sort of a northeastern direction. Is that what you're pointed at you're looking at? Yes, so it's pointed towards a north-north-east direction at the time based on what that video shows and Sapphire. So we were fairly far away from the coast of San Diego, San Clemente area. So it definitely was not, you know, lights on the horizon from the city, nor did I have anything as far as helicopters or air traffic that I was detecting at all in that location. Yeah, let me drive something home here.

So, I mean, you are from our conversations, I know, like a tactical air controller. You spend your time knowing the flight routes, 360, what's around you. These were outside of all of those zones. And I think it's important to kind of explain that. But also, you know, look, your words, they're going to be twisted.

You know, you said, to me, we've talked about this. You know, you said the word horizon a few times. But I want you to get really clear. Did you see one of these, craft come up out of the water or not out of the water? Absolutely, absolutely. So when I say that I saw this craft come out of the water, it's nighttime. So I want to be clear when I say what I saw, I saw a light. And it was a decently bright light. So when you've been on the water as long as I have, you know the difference between

an aircraft carrier's lights a difference between an oiler's lights a fishing you know cargo ship it's what we learn when we freshly come into the Navy especially as an operation specialist we have to learn silhouettes

we have to learn lighting structures things of nature it's just part of what our job is being senior enlisted it's become part of very basic elementary things that you have to know when doing your job. Kind of learning the basics first and then, you know, applying what you experience throughout

your time and then kind of coming up what you're, you know, solution as what you're seeing. So watching this light emerge from the water at a distance and then go into the air with a solid light, no blinking or anything, I've never noticed that and witnessed that ever in my life. that's kind of what triggered me to go back to my instruments, check it out, talk with the watch team and ask them, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Let's use other sensors. Let's use what we got to see what we're witnessing. One thing I do want to add is that when I witnessed that, I wasn't feeling threatened. I didn't think, you know, the ship is going to get attacked. And why didn't I think that? Because multiple reasons. I'm not. not at a different level of ROE. I'm not postured in such a way off the coast of San Diego where we're receiving intel that there's a significant level threat that we need to be at a higher threat level. None of this is happening, right? We're off the coast. We're doing workups. We're, you know, doing training things of that nature. So nothing made me think that we need to,

you know, trigger a higher level of threat warning. I indicated what I saw to the tactical action officer, the T-A-O, who's in charge of Combat Information Center, ICC1. And it was just, let's do more investigating. Let's see what we're looking at. And that's why we got Sapphire to look in that direction and notice what we noticed. The series of events is you're seeing things on your radar that are anomalous or you're not sure about. You go out to kind of investigate with the eyes and you see something come up out of the water. And at night, it looks like a light, but we're imagining and assuming this is a crap because it went into flight. And then, you know, you confirm, I believe, on the radar that there are targets that are unidentified. And that's when you kind of jump onto the thermal signature.

You said there were four originally. But then we jump into the video. And after close inspection, I think we see two of the four, but that it pops in on one. And we're not seeing what we should be seeing. I mean, these aren't like planes that have transponders and flight paths that are known. they don't match up with any angles of anything after we've dissected this. But like what should we be seeing if it were a normal traditional plane and not like this tick-tac-shaped thing? Great question. So I'll answer that question by telling you what actually happened when we were talking with

each other after the aircraft left. And when I say they left, they really left as one unit of four objects, all at the same time. So there's a lot of skeptics out there. I get it. It's, it's, we're not meant to all be the same person and think the same way. And it's no different on board a Navy ship. So on board the ship that night, after all four of those craft left at the same exact time, we had a few people that were on the bridge different from Combat Information Center. It's kind of like a curtain that separates us. And, you know, we're just kind of laughing like, you know, you like you witness what you witnessed you guys understand what you saw and you know the i believe

it was the the junior officer of the deck was just saying hey you know that that was just an aircraft it was just an aircraft typical you know 747 and i said sir did you see wings did you see you know anything protruding from the craft that indicated a silhouette of a typical aircraft and he was like, yeah, well, it's because we're so far away from the aircraft that it seems to look like a Tick-Tac. So I said, okay, sir, got it. I would say maybe 20 seconds pass. 20 seconds pass and I go back to my radar and I'm just looking around and I tell the CSM, I said, slew over to a certain degree and I forget the degree.

And he slues over to an air contact that I know. know as an air contact and I tell them zoom in. Now, I just mentioned that there's a curtain that separates ICC1 from the bridge, but the bridge has the same monitors that we have so they can see what we're doing from the bridge and you can change like channels so they can see certain pictures that are being displayed in ICC1. So they're already displaying the Sapphire camera on one of the multiple monitors on the bridge. So when I tell them the slew over, I say, O.D., do you see what this air contact looks like? This air contact was maybe five, six nautical miles further than what we witnessed the Tic Tacs.

And you can clearly see the wings. You can see the propulsion. You can see the propulsion. Like when on a hot summer day, being from Las Vegas, George Knapp, I'm sure you know what that is. You can see that hot propulsion from the aircraft. And I told the JOD, I said, like, what do you have to say now? You know, because it was funny to me that I was able to disprove his skepticism, like, within 20 seconds, that what we witnessed was probably an airplane.

We were just zoomed in so far that it just looked like a small tick-tack, but disproved like within 20, 30 seconds. And he didn't really say anything after that. He just kind of chuckled and laughed. So higher-ups knew on the ship knew this was going on. It's not like you would be expected to file some sort of report or something. They knew it. And they said, no, no, it's explainable.

No. And I want to be clear on that. The Navy, the ship, you know, I'm not speaking for the Navy. I'm not speaking for the ship. I'm not the commanding officer of the ship. And I don't want to put words in the Navy's mouth by saying that there was a level of a chain of command where we were to like report all this information and we just didn't. It was just something that was witnessed.

And again, I point out that it wasn't a threat to the ship. that to be very clear that the ship didn't skip any steps in reporting, you know, aircraft anomalies or aircraft that are getting close to the ship. And this was not close enough to the ship to have triggered an alert warning where we would have to investigate. Is this craft about to cause harm to our ship? Nowhere close to it. So in that case, if it were, absolutely, I would let the tactical action officer know. Tactical action officer would, depending on, you know, lots of different variations would notify the captain and then we'd take action to defend the ship

as any other ship in the Navy would do. That wasn't this case. But let me just ask you this. So to the best of your assessment, if I'm following the story, you see something come out of the water. You confirm on radar. You've got like four targets. You punch in.

You don't see the typical propulsion signatures. You should see at that distance. you all four objects leave simultaneously. You then have a kind of debate in the CIC of like what's going on. Then you find a further craft and you're able to zoom in and full on propulsion, wings, all that stuff. So you're kind of showing people in real time, although it's not a threat, you know, and there's not other actions, no dereliction of duty. You were just observing and communicating.

This was different, though, than most times that you've experienced this stuff. I know George brought it up. You're on U.S.S. Omaha when they had their series of encounters, right? Absolutely, yeah. I was new there, just checking in. And that's how I wind up actually going to the Jackson. A lot of folks that are either not in the military or not in the Navy, littoral combat ships, you can be moved around pretty often.

For those that know, they know, we know, you get moved around a lot if you have certain NECs or different skills that they need on another ship. So I originally started off on the Omaha and wind up going to the Jackson afterwards. But I saw the Omaha video afterwards. I actually didn't even know it was being recorded originally. But I was there for that incident. Just wasn't on watch. I wasn't a brand new check-in to the command and just kind of observing things.

Never been on an LCS before, so it was new for me. But, yeah. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition, First Citizens Bank. No one goes to Hank's for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza.

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on that video that was released? You know, people complain, oh gosh, it's grainy. But I mean, it's not a movie, a Panasonic movie camera. It's a thermal sensor, correct? It's showing us. absolutely yeah it's it's a thermal sensor and I understand uh for those that have seen the video they may believe that that is like a snippet directly from the system uh I from my understanding I figured if you go outside and record at night with your cell phone I assume this is cell phone footage uh that you're going to get granny video if you record on your cell phone anything at night uh and of course it's very dark uh in CIC and in the bridge So I know I've you know I'm in my 40s I've seen plenty of UFO videos

And I've asked myself like why why can't there just be a 4k video a perfect video But the circumstances seem that you know during night I mean not everybody's walking around with a night camera To capture these types of things unless they're enthusiasts so on Sapphire you should be able to see how far that things in the air and and on the surface I'm not a CSM. This is just me taking a stab at it, but I would say on a clear day without any atmospherics, we should be able to see somewhere between, I'd say, 13 to 17 nautical miles. And we're saying zooming in, and I'm not saying a perfect, you know, 4K video. But being able to see again, CSMs out there that are watching this are probably going to,

going to step in my toes for that one, but I don't know the exact number. So if, depending on what the propulsion system is, you should be able to see something on that thermal screen that indicates how it works. Is it leaving exhaust, for example? But you didn't see it. It's not like a jet, for example, right? Yeah, absolutely. You can see jets, you know, very easily and they're exhaust. It's, it's, there's no, you know, debating that. It's, you can, you know, there are lots of, uh, times. when, you know, we have on board ships, things called like Tiger Cruises or this is kind of like where the families and friends come on board the ship and we get underway. Like, it's as simple as, you know, just civilians even seeing what we have to display and looking at Sapphire.

You'll see, anybody can see, if you get a chance to be on a Navy ship and look at Sapphire. Everything we see that is propelled into the air leaves a signature and it's very clear. Maybe one last thing, Jeremy, you can ask from me anyway, the four points that fly away. That's a pretty key moment, I would think. That's a pretty cool moment, right? Absolutely. So the video stops. Where the video stops.

I'll share this. This is kind of like, you know, something that probably everybody wants to know. I'll tell you what happens when the video stops. The video stops and the CSM zooms out. and as the CSM zooms out, we noticed that there's a total of four. Now, on radar, I already noticed that once I came back in, I noticed the one that I was looking for visually,

and I noticed other contacts in that same location. But when we first zoomed in on the contact in the video that you see, we only saw the one and then we see the second one. It was only when we zoom out, we realize, holy crap, There's two more out here, a total of four. And so we're just watching. What's the point of looking away? We're witnessing something that most people don't get a chance to witness in their life.

So we're just watching on Sapphire and we're tracking it. And Sapphires, you know, tracking one of them. And it's tracking and tracking and tracking. And as time goes by, we're like, let's just watch. I would say maybe 20, 30 seconds pass after the video stops. and all of a sudden you just see all four of them take off to the northeast

all at the same time just out of nowhere and if I had to talk speed it was it was I would say like maybe two steps behind instantaneous it wasn't like if you blink it's gone we had time to watch them

go off into the distance like, but really instantly. No noise, no sonic boom, no, you know, effects in the water that, you know, cause rippling in the water. Nothing, nobody was affected, nothing was affected. We didn't get a gust of wind to hit us. And that's anything else, you know, I'm not a scientist, but anything else that could have been disturbed with that level of speed was not disturbed. And these four points leave as if they're one object. Is that right?

Yes. So what in the Navy, we have these things called tactical signals. So we'll do tactical signals as an operation specialist with the bridge. And with a strike group or an ESG, which is an expeditionary strike group, we'll get together and will conduct exercises. And over different radio circuits, we will conduct different formations. And it's called by the formation commander. and they'll issue a way that everyone's supposed to turn, for example.

And once they conduct and execute, they execute, and they all turn at the same time. So it's pretty cool to see ships do this. It was very reminiscent to see all four of those objects as if they were doing the same thing. They all executed at the same time leaving. It's not like three of them left and then one was kind of like a little behind them. No, they were all in sync at the same time. And that's why I said earlier that it was either, my thoughts were either they synced together like we do in the Navy and we all take off at, you know, at turn at the same time or, you know, get in formation at the same time and execute the order at the same time. Or one entity is controlling all four of those objects at the same time and it's just synced together all four objects.

Something like that is what went through my mind. Where does it go from here for you? I mean, are you willing to testify if you were called or fill out a form to arrow or take it further if you're asked? That's a good question, George. I'm not sure. I definitely, you know, I see myself as someone that's just stepping up to share his experience. I don't see it as anything other than that. Where this goes from here, I don't know. I wouldn't mind, you know, just giving my, adding my voice. to those that have come before me like yourself and Jeremy. I don't mind. But that's how I see myself. Just someone giving data as eyewitness testimony. Again, I love the Navy.

Been in the Navy for 23 years. Don't plan on leaving it anytime soon. And just wanted to share my experience with the world. I'm really grateful you're coming forward. Look, I think more people like you, we had Commander guts, you know, come on the show. We've had Commander David Fravor, Commander Underwood. I just think people active or not active just talking about this openly is very powerful, you know, putting your face out there and all that.

I just appreciate it. We should be able. We have permission to talk about this kind of thing, but I still appreciate it because I know there is stigma. And I know you are still active and that can always be a thing. But the fact you're willing to just talk about it because we can, I hope more people take your lead on that. We're seeing it in Congress and we're seeing it now kind of in popular culture.

people are willing to have these conversations, despite the ridicule at times. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I don't think, you know, what we are out there doing is related to anything that I witnessed. You know, if there was any way of saying that, you know,

giving my eyewitness testimony for, you know, that video that, you know, has the world has now seen just to help out. I don't think it interferes in any way with the Navy, the military, its mission at all, you know. So I just want to be able to step out and kind of give any information I can to help out again and help understand what it is that we're witnessing and what we've been witnessing in the skies this 80 years. Alex, thanks so much. I hope that you come back to Las Vegas. We had a chance to get together.

Absolutely. I thank you for your time. Thanks, George Knapp. Thanks, Jeremy. me, as we were analyzing this video and the implications of the case, we made the collective wise decision to reach out to our friend Merrick to help us understand the technology involved what we were seeing and to, in essence, pre-bunk the debunk. Is that right? We want to see if that footage stands up to the scrutiny of the verbal testimony. And there's only certain circles you can rely on to put this out and in case just to have it safeguarded. And Merrick was the guy that really shined in this. He did some

amazing work. I mean, I talked with a lot of I talked with a lot of people about this video. But Merrick really was able to put it into graphics and explain it. And if I can understand it, anybody can. We put the brakes on. After Merrick had his first look at it,

we put the brakes on. Well, wait a second. Maybe this can be explained prosaically. And then the more we learned about it, the stronger the case got. Merrick can't thank you enough for, as always, pitching in with your expertise on this stuff. Well, thank you guys for bringing me in. I truly appreciate it. You're right, George. At first, I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. This looks like this might be, and I'll just backtrack. The first thing I did when I got the video is I look back

at the historical flight tracker data that has all the transponder information for commercial airplanes, civil aviation, and military helicopters that are operating out there and frankly, some military transport planes as well. I looked at it, whoa, and at first glance, at least, look like there is a perfect alignment between some of the lines of sight for that camera and just conventional aircraft. And then I slept on it. Something didn't sit right. Jeremy,

you might remember this. And I woke up the next morning. I said, wait a minute. I miscalculated something. And with your input, with expert input from sources that knew exactly the system, we were able to fairly,

with that fairly high degree of confidence, I'll say a very high. degree of confidence now after having watched the armchair debunkers panic over this video over the last what 72 hours that there are no easy explanations in terms of conventional aircraft for what we see in that video yeah and that's the way it typically goes to what people don't know is george and i get so much footage and a lot of times either we can't prove you know that it's that it's not something obviously terrestrial in nature, whatever, just prosaic, you know, we're at a point where a lot of the cases that come to us, it doesn't sync up with witness testimony, and we just

don't think it's going to bring, move the ball forward. But then this moment with you was, okay, that's the way it goes. You know, I've got some tough conversations to have with people who are highly skilled who tell me they know they saw something really extraordinary that night and I was ready to have those conversations and then you dove back in you're like wait a second well I think Jeremy part of what what didn't sit right with me was both kind of the the angle the mathematical kind of elements to this but it was there was another element and that was that infrared shape that it's a damn it's a it's a it's a tick-tech looking shape and and I thought back to 2004 when the the chief radar operator the anti-air war

warfare coordinator on the U.S. as Princeton recalled objects rising apparently out of the ocean or appearing on the radar screen in that precise plot of coordinates, right? Or that slice of the earth right around that San Clemente Island area and then move south at some very bizarrely slow speeds. And guess what? The object in that, the object, excuse me, in that video, if you do this, the math, they're moving south. And at a distance of about seven, eight miles, they're going about

100 knots, which is what Chief Day recalled. So that was fascinating. That's a, that's kind of an analytic connection to, to this new footage that, that really kind of stuck in the back of my head and then prompted me to take another look at the math. So you, you rule out regular airplanes, but we have seen already some people try to make it like they were planes that what we're seeing is exhaust. It's not exhaust, is it? I can say having looked at a lot of Fleer footage, this is that thermal imagery that the military uses with some frequency, spent a lot of time on the gimbal video, for example, looking at Fleer exhaust, maybe not as much as a pilot, but a lot of what's out there. And I have fairly high confidence that what we're seeing is not exhaust.

We don't see any kind of a plume. There's one example that's just kind of a fluke. where a jet was seen at about 100 miles, but you can very clearly see two engines to exhaust signatures. This is a perfect, right, that's a perfect capsule-shaped infrared signature. So I, from my perspective, I am convinced, especially with the flight tracker data, not showing any jets in that line of sight, that we're not, in fact, seeing any sort of exhaust. And frankly, that's why this is so fascinating, right? There's no plume. There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no signature in terms of a conventional propulsion system that we

expect keeping this object afloat, the two objects. And not only that, but they're moving actually fairly quickly across the sky, because you can see the, not to go too far into the weeds, but the azimuth angle changes quite rapidly. And that's the left, right motion of the camera as it tracks those two objects. So, yes, to your point, we're not seeing propulsion from my perspective. A couple of things about that. I mean, first is, that's corroborated by the witness testimony itself. You missed it, but we just had a firsthand witness to the event come on. His name is Alex.

And he's 23 years experience, and he's got a pretty decent set of responsibilities on that ship. And he said, look, right after this happened, we, he said he moved over to another screen. They targeted in on a plane that was farther away to show that you could see the wings, the tail, the exhaust, because, you know, the guy next him was super skeptical. so he wanted to prove to him in real time. So they went to a plane farther away and showed all of the signatures you'd expect to see in the thermal realm. So what you're saying really correlates with what, you know, an expert witness just told me and George. Fascinating. I love that they do that.

And that's that's critical, right? When we're dealing with life and death with, you know, these advanced, these are war machines, right? And if you misidentify an aircraft or anything in a war environment, when you're, you're, you know, these advanced, these are war machines, right? war environment when you're right when you're ready to you're loaded for bear um that could be a major major accident right there have been a few throughout history i think in iran and in korea we've had examples of mistaken shootdowns that were just absolute tragedies in the military's taking that very seriously so identification who's who in the zoo is absolutely critical to to the military and i'll just say add one one quick thing jeremy on the eyewitness accounts kudos to you guys for

for getting the Navy guys to come out. The key witness that I heard previously, he mentioned that there were four objects moving in unison. This is really, really important. I want to emphasize this. In the video, we see two objects. And over the course of the 35 seconds of that video, those two objects stay identically separated.

They're separated by about a half an angle, 0.6 degrees. And that means they're moving in formation across the sky. And that is absolutely critical to ruling out planes, right? Because over 35 seconds, two planes would be going in vastly different directions. And yet here we have not only corroboration of the eyewitness accounts, but also ruling out distant aircraft, commercial aircraft, for this particular video. Merrick, can you help us understand what we were seeing on that screen from the film?

I mean, it bounces around. And then it seems to zoom in at one point. that thing is moving. I can't tell if that's the camera or the sensor moving, the ship moving, or the object moving. Can you help us? Great, great question, George. And I think most people when they see this footage at first, they think this thing is zigging, zagging, going up and down, left, and right. It is not. That's actually the sensor tracking it, basically. And think about this. And you can see this in the video. If you look at the bottom right, there's an EL value, an elevation angle.

and that goes up and down. And that's basically literally where the camera's looking up and down. And throughout the course of the video, you can see that as the ship's deck pitches in the ocean, that angle goes up and down and up and down. So it's very hard for a human operator to compensate for that with a control stick. So this is manually tracking and focusing in on that particular heat signature. And the white things that appear on that screen,

Is that the targeting mechanism trying to... Correct. Yeah, exactly. So that gives the system an indication of where anomalies or objects of interests are, and that tells the system how to center in on those objects as the deck is pitching and as the objects move. You said this place was steps from the water. We just haven't found the steps yet. How much did we save? Enough.

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any operational security stuff. So I'll just say this. We did what anybody would do, which is we stabilize it so you could see it better. But I heard a little whispering online and want to make sure everybody has all the data in real time. And I was talking with you. So we stabilized that, or Michael stabilized, the Wizard of Oz, a weaponized, shout out to Michael, stabilized the the latitude, and we'll play that right now in this episode, more so that people just have the raw data in real time. It's already all there. It's not a degraded version that we put out, but we just stabilize a different aspect of that video just so everybody can feel that they have all the data, although it's all obviously in the first video you could get there. But you asked

me for that, so we're going to provide that. My big question for you, Merrick, is simple. You've got, and for George, too, what is going on? 2004, we've got tick, tack, all this stuff. The 2019, we provided all the visual evidence we did of those swarms, right, in the same area. Now, 2023, now we've heard of a lot more, but don't have video evidence of them. What is going on in that area? Whose technology is it? Is this ours?

What's going on? Well, George, do you want to take a stab or do you want me to speculate? I am a traditionalist. I feel almost a romantic connection to the, Tick-Tac design. It's like Rayban Wayfarers. Some things, you don't need to improve on them. The SR-71, the Corvette. And I'm glad to see Tick-Tac stick around, that they're still flying the same thing, didn't add tail fins or anything like that. Tick-Tax were around in 2004. We saw some big spheres and pyramids in 2019, and now we're back to Tic-Tac. I'm glad that whoever's flying them has stuck

with the original. It was always called the Tylenol, by the way. That's a Commander Frayers, Larry's story was the movie airplane. It was kind of like, they used to describing a plane. It's kind of like a Tylenol, but with wings. And so he felt so silly when he was trying to describe back, you know, to the information people, the intelligence people, what he filmed, that he called it a Tic Tac instead of a Tylenol. Can you imagine, though, if we're flying Tylenol's of what we've been talking about all these years? But as an analyst, Merrick, what do you make of the fact that they were around in 2004, probably a lot sooner than that? I mean, there's been UFO activity and USO activity there for a long time.

2019, this gigantic outpouring of it. And now, 2023, they're making up pretty clear they're still around. What's the big picture for you? George, I'll take it back even further to 1953, to what I consider arguably the most credible UFO incident in history, or certainly historical importance. And that is when Kelly Johnson, the famed aerospace engineer who was the key at Lockheed Skunkworks behind the U2 and the SR 71 frame airframe. He was looking, he was at his ranch looking off the coast towards the channel islands,

saw a disc-shaped object. Unbeknownst to him, a Lockheed flight crew, a test crew, was airborne at the same exact time, saw the same exact object. Five of Lockheed's top engineers and pilots all saw this. You cannot get more credible than that. They all saw this from two different vantage points, and they saw this object zip off towards the ocean. So there's something about that area. Those documents actually are publicly available in the Blue Book files.

Other pilots, Lockheed test pilots, in those documents reported seeing lights over Catalina Island. There's something to that area. I don't know if Arrow is watching this, but send some analytic prowess and some sensors down there, and let's get some answers. meaning something on the bottom of the ocean out there. That is, that seems to be the hypothesis, right? Because you have, you have the roiling whitewater in the 2004 incident before Commander Fraber and those three other aviators saw the Tick-Tac. There was roiling, a large area of roiling whitewater with the Omaha video in 2019. We see an object descend into the water.

The next day, not many people know this, the next day, the U.S.'s Paul Hamilton observed, object splashing into the water just as they said in the Omaha video this seems to be evidence anecdotal evidence or preliminary evidence and data of some kind of transmedium activity in that part of the world thanks Merrick appreciate your expertise in your efforts on our behalf and the behalf of the public thanks so much for bringing me in I appreciate it