WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Inside The UFO Bunker - Rock Legends, Mantid Mysteries & Crop Circles

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Jeremy Corbell hits the road to Las Vegas to reconnect with George Knapp and dive into the UFO projects that have been quietly brewing behind the scenes. The Weaponized team also took the opportunity to support rock star Dave Navarro, who made his triumphant return to the stage with Jane’s Addiction after years of battling long COVID. Though Navarro has always been intrigued by UFOs, he often approaches the topic with a healthy dose of skepticism. As the scorching Las Vegas summer heat blazed on, it marked a significant anniversary in the team’s ongoing quest for UFO truth. Thirty years ago this summer, a TV crew journeyed to the UK to investigate the mysterious crop circles that seemingly materialize overnight in grain fields. During this trip, they had a memorable encounter with a Ministry of Defense official - who would later become a prominent figure in UFO discussions - adding yet another intriguing layer to their search for answers. ••• Watch the three-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259 ••• GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is weaponized. This is weaponized, of a sort, I guess. George, I've been abducted. Where am I right now? You are in the downstairs den area, the underworld, my bunker. We were sitting here 10 years ago, maybe, sitting in this spot, and put a call into Nellis Air Force Base. Remember what that was about?

I do. You were asking them again to confirm that site four is a physical location at Papoose Lake. And it was the funniest response we ever got because they already confirmed that to you back in 1990. 1989. They confirmed it to you. And yeah, maybe we'll play a part of that. But it was just so diplomatic. The guy was almost laughing because he knew who you were.

George Napkaw in Area 51. I mean, come on, right? and he kind of reluctantly was kind of joking. He's like, we have no location of that name currently. It was hilarious. Right. What they had told me in 1989 was there, not only was there at S4 on the Nellas range,

but there's more than one. And I asked them where, and they said, can't tell you. I said, what goes on there? They said, we can't tell you. Now they say, now we have no, I can't find it on the map is basically what he said. Yeah. Who are we calling?

What are we trying? We're calling Nellis Air Force Base, a public affairs office. And that's who I called 25 years ago. But it was somebody I knew that worked at the office. I don't know anybody who works there now. We'll just see what happens. Trying to get public information to find out what? Well, we'll see if they will confirm for us that they have an S4 out there.

Or where. I suspect we're going to have trouble, but we'll give it a try. And it's illegal on speaker. Hi, my name is George Knapp. I work with Channel 8 News and I had a question. I'm not sure if you can answer it or who might be able to answer it. I'm trying to figure out if there is a if you can confirm that there is somewhere on the Nellis range a place called S4, a designated S4 a facility. Yes. Okay. Hi, Airman. My name is George Knapp with Channel 8. I was calling to see if, and I don't know if you can tell me this or not, but whether you have something. on the Nellis range called S4, a site or a facility or a location, designated S4. Called S4.

Yep. And my name is George Knapp with Channel 8. Right. Yeah, I'll just let you know that I'd been told some years ago that there was, there is a place called S4. They wouldn't tell me where it was, but in fact, you might have more than one. Like S4 meaning site four. Right.

Right. I want to know if it exists. We had been told that there had been classified work going on out there. One version of the story is that there was a facility near Papu Stry Lake that was called S4. There's another version of the story that you've got a place at Tonapal test range. And I just didn't know if you can confirm one way or another. Anytime. There's no deadline.

I appreciate it, Herman. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. Bye. And so why this episode is different is this is kind of where a lot of the A lot of our work kind of started together. I knows you, Jeremy, came over with this camera poking around in your bunker.

You think I'm a CIA agent doing counter intel on you. I still think that. You still think that. Great. But now, after a decade of work together, we're back in this room. And the only thing different from a normal weaponized episode is we don't got to sit behind our computers. We can be in person. And I am drinking at Pacifico.

Well, we're getting prepared for a big event this evening, see a buddy of ours. I'm so fucking excited. That's why other than working with you was just a reason to come out. What are we doing tonight? Dave DeVarro, famed guitarist, artist, tattoo, TV personality, all-around good guy, has had long COVID for the past couple of years.

And so he and his bandmates, Jane's addiction, haven't been able to perform out on the road. So tonight, they're relaunching their tour, Their first big performance is in Las Vegas here. And maybe we'll be able to go to it. We are going to it. And so what is the Dave Navarra of Jane's Addiction connection to UFOs?

What is that all about? Well, you know, he showed up at the Bob Lazar film debut, the big event that you had put on in L.A. When the film came out. And I was shocked. I'm a surprised. I had no idea he was a UFO guy. But he's deep into it, right? Yeah, that was so cool.

So just for context for the listeners, when I was putting out the Bob Lazar movie, it was coming out on Netflix, and I was like, I want to do a live event. But, you know, this was all, I did no idea the movie was going to blow up, that it was going to do well. So I just took a credit card and I threw it down at the Ace Hotel. It's called the Ace Theater in downtown LA. It's a historic theater. I think the Mary Pickens Theater or something, Charlie Chaplin used to own it. It's just a beautiful theater. It was always a dream of mine to see.

see a movie there, but I'm premiering a movie there. And it was a party atmosphere. It was really neat. A lot of people kind of called me and said, hey, I want to come. It sold out. I thought I'm doomed. My credit card, I'm doomed. There's no way. But man, that movie sold out in 24 hours. I knew I was going to be okay. But one of the people that wanted to come was Dave Navarro. Now, yeah, it's a long history, kind of with me and Dave. He's got a buddy named Dan, who he works with, who is really into UFO. So I think Dave had me on his podcast prior to that. He had a podcast into buddy Dan's like, let's talk about UFOs. But once I got to know him, you know, he's like, hey, can I come? I'm like, fuck yeah, you can come. And it was so cool because he actually walked with you, me, Bob, Bob's wife,

Joy, my wife, your wife, Anna. And we just all went, you know, down to the movie together. He was kind of our bodyguard that night, which was surreal because when I saw you and Dave Navarro meet for the first time, both of you were like, you were both celebs shocked at each other because he had listened to Coast. He was really into this subject for many years. And of course, you know Jane's addiction and he's being the guitarist. So it was kind of cool to see you guys be like, yeah, I remember it was a moment. We had a like a reception room where we had a meet and greet

kind of a thing. And I opened the door and this Dave DeVarro outside the door. I go, holy crap, there's Dave DeVarro. I was at a camera. I saw that interaction. Both of you like, hey, he's like, Mr. Navarro, it was so cool. Yes, he's an incredible musician. His music was like the soundtrack to my life growing up. You know, Jane's addiction. There's even more history that I have with Dave that we figured out.

Tell the story. Yeah, tell it. So, well, very oddly, in L.A., there was, I guess in N.A. and that kind of thing, people would sponsor people. And somebody I was very close with was being sponsored by, I think it was Eric Avery. and I think Dave Navarro for the NA addiction. It wasn't me, but it was somebody that I know. And I somehow got Dave Navarro's phone number.

And when you're like a kid, you know, I'm just like this little kid, maybe like 15 or something. And I got Dave Navarra's number. I used to crank call him. And I'd ask Dave Navarra, I'd call from pay phones. And I'd like, hey, Dave, can you give me guitar lessons? I'd just try and call him over and over. This is a board Simpson type stuff.

Oh, really? Yeah. No, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I was just, I was messing around as a kid. So it was so funny, I felt like I had to repent. The first time we're really hanging out, me and Navarra, I was like, hey, you know all those prank calls you got as a kid,

asking guitar lessons. Well, that was me. We were laughing so hard. But it gets even weirder. The day we're recording, right now today, is, you know, the 50-somethingth anniversary of the sharing hate murder. I did an art show called Icon in L.A. I think L.A. Times covered it,

Inside Edition, covered it many times. It was an art show about her life. So today, actually, is that anniversary, which is really interesting. One of the art pieces I made for that show was a Playboy with Sharon Tate that was a resin, right? Very specific, unique, you know, crown jewel of that art series, which had about 10,000 pieces. I'm videoing with Dave just, you know, having fun.

He's showing me some of his art. This is, you know, a couple years ago. and he shows me this playboy that's resin. I go, Dave, you're a collector of my artwork. He had no idea. I had made that. So it was just all these weird things with Dave. You know, he's just a hell of a guy.

I really love Dave. I can't wait to see Jane's addiction tonight with you. Yeah, it's just a story of triumph for him to be able to be back on the road with them. Because, you know, Dave's a good dude. You know, it's just a good guy who's been through a lot of stuff in his life, especially the last couple of years. He hasn't been able to go out on tour because long COVID. It's no secret.

I mean, today there's a story in Rolling Stone, a really big feature about him going back on the road and what he's been through the last couple of years. You and I were in L.A. at this Mexican restaurant a couple of years ago. Yeah, Al-Coyote, which, by the way, is the last meal of Sharon Tate. How weird is that? Yeah, we go in there and he gets something.

And in walks Dave Navarro with his companion there. Well, I call them. I told him to come down. I was like, dude, George is here. Let's get tacos. Okay. And he met up with accident. That one wasn't an accident.

Yeah. But tell us. Yeah. So we met with him. Yeah. He just kind of filled us in on the health situation. Right. It's been held for him all this time.

And finally now people don't think long COVID is real. It's real. And it's really taking a toll on him. He hasn't been able to perform. Right. So as a friend, you know, we're watching him and he's telling us he's having this health problem. And now it's very public.

As you said, there's like a rolling stone. article about this comeback tour. And I guess he wasn't able to go on tour with the rest of the band for Jane's Addiction maybe last year when they did it, when they started it up again. So it's got to feel good for him to be able to jump in now with his health and start this big ass, massive world tour for Jane's Addiction. So I'm really excited as a friend to be there to support it, but also just to see Jane's Addiction. When I was a kid, man, it was like I was too young sometimes to go to a lot of these shows. It'll be neat to see it to me. I've been watching these clips of him.

He's a fantastic guitarist. I mean, he's a really great guitar. Super talented. Yeah, it'll be great to see him. And it's a special moment for him, I would think, you know. And I also think, like, he was interested in the UFO thing from listening to you on coast to coast for so long. And then that night at the, it was a 2018 launch of the Bob Lazare film late 2018.

I think it was when we did that. And, you know, he got to meet with Bob. And I think that made a big difference for him, too, because a lot of people, they hear the story that you broke and they hear about Lazard the nine flying saucers. But then for him to meet with you and meet Bob and realize you guys are just telling it like it is, it really did impact him. He got really interested in the UFO thing. He was showing me recently he does these like stencils around LA, these arts.

He's an artist too, right? So he does these stencils and he did one of the gimbal. And I'm like, motherfucker, do not do that again to I can come roll with you. Can you imagine rolling around L.A. with David Navar doing stencils of the gimbal. Isn't there art outside El Coyote that we took a photo with of his? That's his stuff. That's right.

He did do a mural on El Coyote, this Mexican restaurant in L.A., highly recommend it, by the way, for everybody listening. You should go check this out. Historic thing. And he has an art piece stenciled onto the front of that building. That's maybe why I called him that day was because we saw that. And then I just called him up. And then sure enough, he rolls up.

Yeah. So that's, anyway, that's why we're in Vegas. That's what we're going to do. But we're also working on the UFO subject. And I know you and I have some fatigue. You know, you for 30 plus years working on it, we've talked about that. We do have some fatigue. But at the same time, man, when we get together, we're just making calls, talking to witnesses,

setting up appointments, speaking with political folks, like trying to push the ball forward. And I want to give our audience a little bit of insight maybe into what that work is. what we're trying to do. Well, again, I think we've talked about it in previous weaponized episodes, but, you know, it's an election year. And officialdom, Congress, political types, they're all focused on that. And it's been a tumultuous, incredible campaign so far with gigantic swings and ups and downs. And for reporters, major journalism organizations, that's what their focus is.

So I know we all want UFO hearings. want to push the ball forward. We wish that the mainstream media was paying more attention to it. But now, in essence, really, in general, it's on hold. You know, things are on hold until we get through this. There are some big events coming. Lou Alessando's book is coming out. There's a book by Tom DeLong and Peter Levenda. We're looking at it like a UFO wave here because all of a sudden, you know, we're going to have Lou Alizano's book come out and people can dissect it like you say and and start looking at it, I'm sure he will be very public now, which is really neat to hear more from Lou because I think he was restricted in the past

of talking, but now we get to hear, as Lou would say, open kimono. We get to hear his point of view. And I think that's huge. So these books coming out, you say things are on pause when it comes to politics and with UFO issue. I would say, sure, publicly, it looks that way. but you and I are going to D.C. really soon, and we're going to be speaking with key people that are fighting for new hearings. I am fighting for new hearings. There's no, there's no hidden

thing about that. Like, I want some new hearings, and we have some people in mind who could testify. So even though we're not having those hearings in the next couple months, we are fighting hard. People are fighting hard to get those going. Yeah, I think they'll happen. And I think they'll be significant when they do. I don't know when that's going to be. It can't come soon enough for UFO world. People want it now immediately everything. It doesn't work that way. But the next hearing, whenever it happens, will cause waves for sure. And we're trying to help the people are putting that in motion to get the biggest bang for their buck. Right. And also, you have some things that will be coming out. And I know you kind of can't talk about it right now. But like, you've

very active over the last like six, nine, 12 months, you got a project that will be coming out, right? Yeah, I can't say a darn thing about it, but it's involved a lot of travel, meeting with a lot of people. It'll be a big deal, I think, when it comes out. You're involved with it as well. And I wish I don't want, I don't want to be excessively mysterious about it, but I just can't say anything.

But I think it's going to be good. I think it's going to push the ball forward a lot. But the downside of it is after another intense year of UFO work and UFO activity and traveling around the world and wearing my old body out, you do approach sort of a burnout factor. So we've had to, at least for me, I needed to take some time away from this a little bit. You know, it is when I'm not actively traveling somewhere to record this or that to separate myself and take a break. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not proactively like posting anything right now. I'm really trying to relax my mind and do the work, you know. And so just I'm going to play the investigative reporter here. So I'd assume George Knapp that what it is you're putting out will be a filmed product. Is that correct? Yeah, it's a visual medium. I'll put it that way. I'm very excited for whatever it is that you're going to be putting out to the world, watching you, you know, hunt the UFO thing and getting your perspective is, is, is, is,

I think it'll be very cool for everybody that gets to watch. So that's great. I can't wait. Let us know when you can talk about it. Yeah. I'm dying to tell it because I've shared some things with you privately about a material that was obtained. And I think it's going to make a splash, don't you think? Literally.

Yeah, I do think. And I also think that just the, I mean, look, you've called me like, I'm in Brazil, because video will work sometimes when you're traveling or whatever. whatever. But I mean, you've really traveled a lot of places. All these years that you've done the UFO thing, is it important to travel and do that and talk with people on the ground in a different country? Oh, absolutely. Sure. You need to get to the scene of where these things happen to get an understanding of it. Track down original witnesses for cases, incidents that are well known, but really not well understood. Things that we went to go

take a look at in Brazil, for example. I've had a, I've seen documents that have not been made public. I've seen a lot of reports. I've read public source information about things that had happened. But I think the public's going to get a different take on it. And it's, it shocked me for how different reality is on the ground in places like that than what I've read for all these years. No one goes to Hank's for spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank decides to bring back the $1 slice. He asks co-pilot

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at M365Copilot.com slash work. I mean, you have traveled a lot for the UFO thing when you first announced, you know, your report about Bob Lazar. I mean, you even went one time to Ireland, was it? Or where did you go for the crop, England, for the crop circles? 30 years ago this summer. So 30 years ago, right about this time, went over to check them out. You know, it was always interesting. They're beautiful. I know that humans make a lot of them.

I don't think humans make all of them. And we wandered around, the Viking and I went over, and Brian Gresh and Brian Blackburn, a photographer, and typical of my kind of trips is everything that can go wrong does go wrong. Tell them about the curse again if they don't. Yeah, I have a travel curse, which is, you know, whenever I go somewhere, bad things happen. You know, plane flights, I've lost luggage on, I haven't lost luggage on Antarctica because I haven't been there,

but just about every other continent. And that trip, that was a heat wave in Las Vegas, we couldn't even leave the ground. They couldn't close the door. So we're sitting on the plane for like an hour, trying to fly to Houston and then to Gatwick in London. And they couldn't close the door. And we're sitting there sweating.

We finally get to Houston to make the connection. And as we're taxying in, we see our plane taxing away. And we missed it. We sat overnight in this Houston airport. We had all this TV equipment that were pissed. was we got a tight schedule of 10 days, I think, in the UK and in Scotland and missed it. And we just went up to the airline and bitched and moaned enough to where they put us on another flight, put us on first class.

We flew to Paris. And then we flew to Gatwick. And we got there late. And it had been a long trip. And we figure, well, I tell you what, you guys with the camera gear, you go ahead out into crop circle country. We'll catch up to you tomorrow. You know, we'll get a train ride. get up the next morning, there's a one-day nationwide train strike in the UK.

Now, what are the chances? That's the one day that I need to get a train ride. So by the time I get out to Crop Circle country, I've missed two days. And then it was at time, it was the worst heat wave, they said, since the Spanish Armada had been sunk in 400 years. And there's no air conditioning out there. But we went out into the Crop Circle country. We had some really good guides.

We were with some cool people. it was so much fun. And standing in those things, it's an eerie feeling you get some of them, you know? Yeah, so that, I mean, it's a big topic. We're not going to, we'll do a whole episode on it. But you in your travels, looking at this UFO thing, you have to look at everything.

You did at one point look at crop circles. You do think there's something to it. Yeah, I think there is something to it because of the nature of how those things are made. Now, some of them, it's obvious. It's made by really clever and artistic people who use boards and things to knock these stalks. So we're in the middle of these fields and often in the middle of night.

But some of them, the real ones, the legit, are it looks like some kind of microwave energy is used to to meld, almost melt the stalks and bend them over without breaking them. And in those kinds of cases, the legit ones, a lot of experiments were conducted back then and even now that suggests that there's cellular changes in these things. It's not just something you smash the crop down and that's how you make them. It's something else. There are a number of interesting videos that have been recorded in the crop circles. These circles are flying around in the fields. They're pretty intriguing. I don't know what that is.

It's some form of communication. I'm also intrigued by the idea that people are drawn to do this stuff, that the people who go out there and make these things who have a team that sneak out into a field some night and do this and then leave this beautiful creation. Why do they do it? I think in a lot of cases, they don't know why themselves, you know, where they try duplicate what whoever is making these things that's not us are doing. So if you were an investigative reporter that went out to look at the maybe possible connection between crop circles and UFOs and

you're not sure yet, and you were to call, I don't know, somebody in the British government when trying to figure it out, who would you call and who would pick up? Well, I called the Ministry of Defense while we're in London, sweating our butts off because it was so goddamn hot. And the guy that answered the phone was a fellow name, let me think. Let me check my name. notes. Nick Pope. Now, what year was this? This is 94. So he was still in government. Yeah. And you call their defense department. Yeah, it's the ministry defense. They sent me to him. He answers the phone. I had some questions about crop circles. You know, the ministry defense has been monitoring this is what we've been told. What's the deal? What are you guys up to? And he basically

didn't tell me shit. So Nick Pope really was working at the weird desk in UFO land or whatever in the UK, back in the day before he was out as a public figure about UFOs, and you happen to call, and you remember that name because your notes. I wrote it down, yeah. And I checked it years later, and I'll be damned. That's Nick Pope, who now, you know, it's not exactly, they didn't put me in touch with the Minister of Defense himself. Nick was not exactly high up on the totem pole, I think, at the time.

He's the guy that had to answer media inquiries. So he was not exactly running the whole program, but he was about as least helpful as he possibly. could and still do his top. Should I call Nick right now and ask him if you remembers that shit? If you want. Let me give it. We might cut this out, but I'm just going to text Nick right now and ask him because

I've never really, you said this to me today. I couldn't believe it. Let's just see if Nick remembers this phone call. That would be so funny. So, hey, everybody's going to hear me talk to Siri. Hey, Nick, period. Jeremy Corbell here, period. I'm sitting with George Knapp here in Vegas, and we are doing an

audio recording for our podcast, comma, and he just told me a crazy story that he had talked to you before you were outside of government, period. Do you have a second that we can call you on speakerphone real quick? Question mark? I'm such a terrorist. I just text people in the middle of our podcast. Hey, so listen, while we wait for that response, if we get it, I was curious, did you see the Joe Rogan live comedy special?

oh my God, the first 10 minutes was about UFOs. It was so cool. It was awesome. It was hilarious. I know Joe Rogan touches people's buttons and people either love them or hate him. We see him at a different light because we get to know him a little bit. But yeah, of course. You watched it in L.A.

I watched it here. It was hilarious. And of course he got into UFOs. I'm so glad he did, you know, because he's got so much material. He could cover all kinds of things. But yeah, he spent eight, nine, ten, ten months. minutes on UFOs and I think it's great for the subject because he's reaching that audience that you and I don't reach with weaponized and you know tweaking their curiosity I think yeah I was really it was

very cool you know I don't think Joe's going to put down the UFO subject I'm pretty certain of that and I'm really grateful for that I know he's going to have some great guests as he goes along with this just the fact that he's bringing it into pop culture and being making it okay to talk about it You know, he's really done some great things for the UFO subject. That comedy special, I thought, was cool because comedy is a weapon. When things are uncomfortable or they're taboo in society, you can use comedy, even if you're going the opposite of what you believe. You can use comedy to get the conversation going, and he's been masterful at that. I thought it was an epic comedy show.

I know I've seen it a little bit to rub people the wrong way in social media and that kind of thing. It was epic because it didn't, as you said, to me yesterday. It didn't isolate people. He brought up things and they, of course, they put the punchline in like a news article. They don't give the whole follow or the whole original reason why he does that punchline. So I noticed that, but I thought it was such a cool special. I love the fact, obviously, that he talked about UFOs. Highly recommended on Netflix. He did it live because he's a warrior. It's the Joe Rogan's new special called Burn the Boats, which I had to look up, but burn the boats is like, you know, abandonment, like you're all in on the mission. Right.

Yeah. We texted with them afterward. He was really pumped. Yeah. He was really pumped. Can you imagine, though, doing a live comedy show, an hour of one guy on stage speaking to the world? I mean, Netflix, it's global, you know?

That'd be intimidating, wouldn't it? Yeah. He's not fearful of putting stuff out and going all the way. Burn the boats. You know, just like the title. So that was pretty neat to see that. You know, also while we've been together. Over the last couple of days and we're talking about UFO stuff,

one of the things that came up, we jumped on the phone with a friend of ours who was part of the Theodore Roosevelt Strike group back in 2019. So for those of you that are listening that don't know, that's the 2019 UAP swarms around 10 Navy warships within a hundred mile radius that somehow we obtained and released a bunch of different types of footage from thermal to infrared to deck footage to run. radar as well as brought about, I don't know, seven people forward that were part of that event.

Well, we talked to an individual who had really great perspective on the 2019 events. And again, part of the theater, Roosevelt Strike Group, big groups of ships, not a specific one, we'll say. But that was a cool conversation we just had. Did you have any takeaways from that that people should hear? Well, a couple of things. One is, you know, we've talked to this one person before. We're not identifying which ship he's on because, you know, it's, we don't want to help people.

People track him down and identify who he is, but he's one of several people that have shared information with us about that series of incidents. We just look back at it. More than a hundred object buzzing 10 U.S. Navy warships among the most advanced floating platforms in the world. We don't know where they came from. We don't know where they went. We don't know how they operate, whose they were, what their intention was.

But these things kept buzzing in and out. Sometimes you could see them on radar and other sensors. and sometimes you couldn't. They would get near the ship and then float away. And it happened to 10 ships, as you said. What the hell were they doing? Where did they come from? They don't know.

The U.S. Navy does not know. I think we've seen several attempts to explain that way, oh, that's just drones. That's Chinese drones. I don't think that's any more comforting that their UFOs from somewhere else to think that there are Chinese drones, a hundred of them, right off the west coast of the U.S.

in our most important naval base, and we can't do anything about it. I mean, this guy who we spoke to is not a UFO guy. He's not saying these are alien. He doesn't know where they came from. But he shared a couple of things with us that were pretty darn pertinent, even at this point. They did try to take some of those things down. They used the most advanced anti-drone technology that they had at the time. Maybe they have something better now.

They didn't go down, right? Right. And it wasn't just one ship. But the ship that this friend was on, they did try and it was ineffective. But it was multiple ships, multiple ships. Oh, there's Nick Pope. Okay, we're going to get him. Okay, we're going to get them.

Hold on one second. We'll call you now. That's funny. We got Nick. So just to follow up, we'll finish this up. Okay. But they did try. They did try to kind of bring those units or this UAP down and they were ineffective.

And I've heard this now from multiple people on multiple ships. I think we've got to get back to this secret Nick Pope guy working in government about crop circles. Let's see what he remembers. What's his deal? I'm calling him right now. Hold on one second. This is funny. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd.

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And he tells me this crazy story, and he said your name. So I thought we're going to call you and find out if it's true or not true. So George is here. Say hi. Hey, Nick. How you doing? Hi, George. Yeah, good. Good to talk to you. I don't know if you remember this or you've heard me say this before, but I was just telling Jeremy that 30 years ago this summer,

I was in the UK. I went over there with a photographer and a colleague to, do the crop circle thing. We spent 10 days out there Marlboro, Stonehenge, had a great trip. When I got back to London, I decided I'm going to call the Ministry of Defense see what they say about these crop circles. And according to my notes, the guy I talked to was named Nick Pope. I'm not alone if you remember that or not. You know, I was going to say, guilty as charged. I mean, it would have been me. I confess, my memory is a little hazy on this. But, you know, when people contacted me back when I

was doing that job, I would not, the names would not resonate with me in the way that they would now. I wouldn't go, ah, it's George Nap. I would just go, I've got another journalist. And to me, in one sense, it wouldn't matter if they were from the Times, the Post, wherever they were from, it would just be, how do I deal with this? So that's, that's probably the background to what happened. Yeah. What would have been your marching orders in those days? How often did you get calls from media about crop circles. And did you have like an answer sheet of what you could say and what you wouldn't say? Well, it's an interesting one because most of the time,

contact with the media would be done by the press office. But UFOs was, and UFOs, UAP, and related phenomena, anything that was perceived to be connected, was one of these really odd ones that the press office regarded it as such a deep specialist subject, but they authorized the subject matter expert, i.e. me, to talk direct to the press from time to time. And of course, yeah, we got, given the immense media and public interest, that was a lot of calls, I got. Let me ask you this about crop circles. You know, back then, we knew about Doug and Dave, and I never bought the story that those two old barflies were

making all these crop circles, obviously, and there were differences, physical differences in some of the more unusual ones. What was your take then and has it changed now? What do you make of that whole mystery? Because I have no idea what the hell was going on there. Well, at the time, I was intrigued. I think like a lot of people, and yeah, I get the point. I didn't necessarily think that Dugenday explained everything. But I suppose at about that time, certainly a little bit of the energy went out of the subject, a little bit of the urgency, a little bit of the media interests, maybe if it's a cover story because it was so effective. So I was kind of interested, but it wasn't my main topic of interest.

But to go back to the fundamental question of how I handled this and whether there was a line to take, absolutely. Our line to take with crop circles was exactly the same as with UFOs. And it's basically play down the true extent of our interest, play down. our involvement, just with apologies, but get these people off our back as quickly as we can. Did you or Ministry Defense anybody else monitor this stuff? Did you have people out in the field? What the hell?

Who made this one? Was there any interest to MOD at the time? It was interest, yes. I mean, part of that, interestingly, came from a former head of my own division. There was a guy called Ralph Noyce, N-O-Y-E-S, and he retired at very senior level from the Ministry of Defense, but he maintained his interest in UFOs, and he developed a very strong interest in cop circles. I think he was actually the honorary secretary of the Society for Crop Circle Research or something like that. And he regularly wrote letters to me, telephone.

me to say, hey, Nate, you know, I was head of your division back in the day. You know, what are you doing on this? And so I had to keep people like that fully briefed. And so I had what we would call a watching brief. I kept an eye on it, even though technically it wasn't in our terms of reference, but I could bring it in because of the perceived connection with UAP. You know, since leaving a government, and I would imagine it's fair to say that your perspective on UFO, UAP-related mysteries has broadened a lot, do you think that those things were, that some of them, most of them being made by people, obviously, but some of them were legitimately mysterious and whether or not it was some form of communication? I wasn't sure. I would have liked to have done more. I think I would have liked to. I would have liked to. we've gotten into the analysis of the cellular differences that were alleged between what you would find in the formations and what you would find outside or in a control sample.

And I would have liked to have gotten into the whole sort of mathematical geometric cryptographic angle on this. If this is communication, is it saying anything? And that should have been easy enough to determine. But I had to tread carefully, literally and metaphorically. A couple of times, I'm not kidding. I was literally first into some of these formations. I remember, now this may be a couple of years after we spoke. But I think whenever the Julia set came out, and that was, I don't know, what, 95, 96. Bear in mind, I was on the UFO desk 91 to 94.

Julia Set was maybe a little bit afterwards. That was that factual formation that appeared very close to Stonehenge. I think I was first in that. So I used to kind of do some of this on my own time and on the own dollar. But some of it, back from 91 to 94, absolutely I was doing it from Ministry of Defense main building. And yeah, sometimes we literally had a sheet paper with key messages and the lines to take. that we would deploy with the media to, again, as I say, frankly, and with apologies, try to get, try to kind of shut this down.

Well, I just know it was a great trip. I love the UK and travel around there, and I'd love to go back again. And it doesn't matter to me if people are making them or not. Some of these are just so intricate and beautiful, you know? They are, absolutely. The Julia set, which I mentioned, I think there was another one, a triple Julia set, or maybe it was another fractal, but all those areas, Stonehenge, Avebury, Silbury Hill, Alton Barnes. It's part of the UK countryside, which is absolutely beautiful

and steeped in history. And even if you strip it all the way and there's not much to some of these, firstly, never say never. And secondly, it's just a beautiful part of the country. Yeah, for sure. Let me ask you, it drives me crazy, man. Why would the government that you worked for tell you to downplay UFOs and tell you to downplay crop circles? Like, why would they do that? Part of it, with UFOs, there's an easier answer to that. And it's the embarrassment that comes from, I think, to confront the fact that there might be structured craft in your airspace with speeds, maneuvers,

and accelerations that go ahead of anything you have. That's not a place, you know, but that's not a place that the elements are comfortable with. I'm sure you've come across the same in your dealings with the US government on some of the more modern sighting. So some of it just comes from embarrassment. With cromp circles, it's a little bit more difficult to pin down, but I think it's because of the perceived link between the two phenomena.

Yeah, I mean, it's so strange, me the dichotomy of when George and I speak with people in intelligence agencies and in charge of programs dealing with UFOs, they're so matter of fact speaking privately with us that we know there's something up. We know that this is in ours. But publicly, the face is completely different. I mean, pretty much until recently. It just, it's kind of just disturbs me on a fundamental level. The government would be in a position to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, people, you know, we don't want them to know this. They can't handle this. It's just so, it's so two-faced from my experience with US government and intelligence agencies and them having full knowledge that this is an important

topic, you know, classified higher than weapons and mass destruction. And then, oh, the public shouldn't know that. Civilians can't handle that truth. It is frustrating, yes. And I share that frustration as somebody who's, who's sat on, I guess, the other, of it. But yeah, very often I inherited a policy that it dated back to the 50s on this, if not the 40s. And you basically

had almost like a sheet of A4 paper in front of you with your key message, which would be your line to take, then some defensive lines to take if pressed, and then some

background material which was not to be shared with the media. What was that background material? It was just very often, just things that would help you contestualize things more. I can't necessarily remember the specifics of any case, but it was just taking you step by step through how you would interact with the media to try and downplay this whole subject. The key message can be translated almost.

Always, always as this. Move along. There's nothing to see it. I'm going to dig up my notes, Nick, and take a picture of my illegible scrawl of your name and send it to you. What year do you think that went? 94. 94.

Wow, if he has your name on a piece of paper from 94, we're going to post that on social media. And you're busted. You did work for the government, Nick. I am busted. But, you know, it's like, yeah, these things do come back. It's like a blast from the past. But I guess the Ministry Defense, as you know, has declassified and released a lot of the files.

So my name is out there anyway, but it's going to be, I'm going to be interested to see what you said about me. That's great. We look at the little subnotes. I mean, look, I do have, I'm very encouraged that in the UK, there is interest in a sort of transparency movement, kind of like we have here in the US. It's not as overt. but I specifically, George and I specifically have speaking with people in positions of influence within government who are asking us kind of like it's a dirty secret. You know, how can we try to replicate what you in the U.S. are doing? So even though it might not be overt, I do feel that there is a movement within the U.K. government to try to bring some of this more to the surface.

You know, fingers crossed and I keep those lines of communication open. But I'm just saying I think people should be optimistic. that this is a human interest story and that other people and other governments, other parliaments are interested in pushing it forward. I'm highly encouraged by the conversations I've been having over the last couple years with the UK government. Well, that's great. You'll have seen literally, I guess, in the last couple of days, the confirmation that the Ministry of Defense sent to intelligence officials to attend the inaugural Five Eyes UAP meeting that Sean Kirkpatrick held at the Pentagon in May

2023. So information about this is coming out. And some people in the system do want to talk and do feel frustrated at their constraint. So yeah, hopefully you're pushing on an open door. That Five Eyes things is really interesting because, you know, we had broken some stories on it as well and got nothing but grief about it. It can't be true, total denials. And now, you know, there's some substance behind it.

Yeah, I think that just goes to show that for all the skeptics who say there's nothing to all this, if you ask the right question, you do get these intriguing little nuggets released. And of course, publicly, the official position of the Ministry of Defense is, oh, yeah, we're not interested in this subject. We closed our program. And then you find out you have it in. disputably on the record that these two intelligence officials were sent on a transatlantic trip to attend this Pentagon meeting. It's like, wait a minute, you don't send people with the pressures on the defense budget, transatlantic for a few days to attend a meeting on a subject that you're not

interested. Come on, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. I like the way you said that. Absolutely. Come on, man. Well, luckily, we have great journalists in the UK, like Chris Sharp of Liberation Times. you know, who's embedded and has connections, and he's really fighting to try to get some of this exposed. So, look, it's a team effort, man. I really appreciate you picking up. It was just kind of like, we're talking. I was poking George, the bear, and your name got dropped

that I figured I'd give you a call, you know, while we're recording an episode. But thanks so much for picking up. I really appreciate that, Nick, and you've always been very kind and open with your time with me. I do have a question for you real quick to finalize here. What was the first out of government UFO talk you ever gave? Where was it? I think, my goodness, this takes us full circle, given where we started this conversation. I have a feeling it was New Hampshire, maybe Portsmouth, New Hampshire, 96 or 97, and I just have a sneaking suspicion.

It might have been crop circles and not UAP that time. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, it supports me at New Hampshire. That's the location of the Betty and Barney Hill case. And how about this? I met Betty Hill at that conference. Barney, of course, had died years ago, but Betty was still alive. I met her at that conference. I'm pretty sure it was Betty Hill, Bud Hopkins, Colin Andrews, Pete and Fran Jeremiah from New Hampshire, Mufon. And probably some other people too, but I just can't. remember. Hey man, well, thanks for everything that you've done for the UFO thing and, you know, talking publicly and putting your head above the parapet because I know that when you go public about some of this stuff, it can be treacherous, especially if you read, you know, stuff on social media,

which I try not to. But, Mick, you've been a great friend. Really nice to hear your voice. It's always great to talk with you. Thanks for talking to me and George. Thanks, Nick. Yeah, thanks, Jerry. Thanks, call me any time. And when you want to have some phone, come to California, hang out with me, okay? We'll do. Okay. Later, man. Bye now. Bye.

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for the stay. He's great. I love Nick, man. That's so cool. He called back. So anyway, we got closer to the mystery with you and the crop circles. I want to see if you, if you ended up writing that down, that show. Oh, I did. Yeah, I did. So funny. But, you know, let's just jump back in for our audience a little bit real quick. When it comes to the 2019 events, We were talking with a buddy of ours. And the takeaway I got today about that was here's an individual who is in a place of authority and it's like, yeah, man, you found me. I'll tell you a little bit about it.

I am baffled after all the decades that this individual has worked in the capacity he did in the, let's say, military. This is the one thing that sticks out that he can't get answers on in his mind. everything is identifiable usually. These UAP that day were not, and he still doesn't know what swarmed those Navy ships. And I do hope we get closer to an answer on that. Well, it's interesting that he's careful in what he says, even though we're speaking to him as friends and, you know, off the record kind of a thing, he doesn't say aliens. He's not calling him interplanetary vehicles.

He knows it's mysterious and an unsolved mystery, and it's, let's say it is Chinese drones. That's a big story. It's a big deal that they were flying those, 100 of them off the West Coast, near all around our ships, and we don't know what they are, and we don't have the ability to take them down. Yeah, and I think being that he is military-minded and a patriot, it's like he's very disturbed with the fact if we don't know who is operating, what he says are these units, which, you know, go into the water and out of the water,

which is kind of neat, and we'll hear more about that. Yeah, so, yeah, there's going to be a development on that. You know, the world has been waiting for U.S.O. video or a transmedium vehicle. We've heard these rumors about this giant flying triangle comes out of the water. I've never seen that video. Yeah. I don't know anybody who has. We keep hearing about it.

But there is video of what appears to be a transmedium vehicle, and I hope by the end of the year it's going to be made public. Me too, man. Anyway, this is really good. I just want to describe for people a little bit. where we are. So George Knapp has multiple bookshelves. Multiple's not like two. We're talking dozens of them. And when we're here in the bunker and he's got all these tapes and all these books and all these notes, it's daunting what to go through. There's a big picture of Johnny Cash.

To my left, there's a Lazar flying saucer. Roy Orbison. Oh, I'm sorry. That's Roy Orbison. I don't know shit about music. By the way, people want, so that's the UFO libraries over there. This is a UFO fiction book. Christopher Buckley, Little Green Man, absolutely hilarious. He's the son of William F. Buckley, great political writer and thinker, conservative. Christopher Buckley writes humorous stuff. This is absolutely gut-busting book. And people who know the UFO field, they will read this and they're going to know who these characters are, who they're based on.

It's hilarious. That's awesome. I'm going to, I'll post a photo of that. But anyway, George, I just wanted to grab you kind of in your natural environment as an animal to do a weaponized podcast. So, you know, thanks again, everybody for listening. It was really neat. I think it kind of allows people to see kind of when we're hanging out, just making calls like that. We learn a lot, right? Yeah. Yeah, that was fun. We'll take you up and show you the mantons, the manton sanctuary, too. We're going to do that right now. Oh, my gosh. Okay, you're going to hear about George. Nap's alien mantis sanctuary. That'll be a very important part of this podcast. George Nap just pointed to his computer like a Neanderthal, so it makes me realize that I have to set it up. Walking up the stairs. What did you think?

I bought a new computer and I was going to try to hook it up myself? Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, we're stepping outside to the blazing heat of Las Vegas, Nevada, and George Napier is about to show me his alien garden of... Boom, look at that big girl. That's our mantis sanctuary. Look at that big girl right there. you point and I don't see it

oh shit yeah when there's still you don't see them in the green it's amazing how they so they lurk she's sitting right under that this is mint which flowers at this time of year and it attracts all these little pollinators so she's just

sitting right there waiting for something to come along and be lunch it's amazing because you don't my eye doesn't see it they blend in so. Yeah.

And there's, so at this end, it's real green. At that end, it's a little browner. We had some brown kind of plants down there that were flowering. And the mantises that grew up down there were brown.

And that's like the first one I ever saw that I'd scooped out of the pool was brown. I thought it was a piece of wood. So it's like, it's like octopus camouflage where they're born. They kind of tend to look like. Yeah. Yeah. So they,

you know, it's been, this is year number nine. So the first one that I scooped out of the pool, and I thought, well, it looks like it's dead. And I put it right over there. And then I came out like a half hour later. I thought, well, maybe it's going to bounce back. Came out and it was standing right there at the door cell, ready to come in.

Like, oh, dude, come back here. I threw him in her in here. And then we've had mantises every year since then. Okay. So why do you love mantises so much? Is it because after the female mates, she bites the head on? off the man. I can relate to that.

I'm not going to explain that, but here's another one right here, this big girl here. This year was really an interesting batch because a lot of the mature females last year died and they were killed before they, I couldn't see them giving birth anywhere, leaving these little mantis condo towers. I thought, well, this might be the end of it. And May 1st, which is always the date, they always show up on, first, none. A week later, still none. Two weeks later, I saw one sitting up on top of this thing right here. That's what I, I have used it as my photo on my phone. That was the first one. I thought,

oh, man, great. They made it. They're back. And then over the course of the next two weeks, I don't know, it's climate change or what, but they started popping out. We had some that were newborn around July 20th, which is the latest I've ever seen. It's good because, the mint was delayed. Normally it would come in and start flowering in June or by the end of May. And this year it wasn't. It's just everything is delayed. So it was really important.

You thought for a while you were going to lose the sanctuary. You were going and buying stuff online like certain. Well, last year and the summer, it was into the fall. there were a couple of big ones that were still big girls who were still there, but the mint was gone. So I would buy things that would attract pollinators. And then I started ordering fruit flies from these specialty places online. And it supposedly was wingless fruit flies.

You can bring them and put them somewhere. They're not going to fly around. Well, now the house has fruit flies everywhere. They were not wingless. And my wife wants to kill me for it. so you know don't fuck with nature man do you try to play god with this stuff yeah well i just wanted to have those mantises who were still hanging on have something to eat after the mint flowers were all yeah do you see these things these little odd little things are not bees they're not flies

don't know what the hell they're oh weird oh that's a fly that's a bee yeah that's a bee and like i love bees i don't want to see bees being eaten but it is sort of circle of life's stuff. Yeah, man. But mandis is just fascinating. They're just weird little creatures. They do pay attention to you. They'll get your attention.

They'll react to you. When they're little tiny babies, you get near them. There'll be a hundred of them on this little pole here. Get near it and they'll all jump off. And these are the pods, like these little things that they are born out of? Yeah. So that little mantis condo towers, you can see this one has been here every year. they put, this is one of their favorite little spots.

Thanks so much, George. We're going to have a great Jane's Addiction concert tonight, and we will keep making calls today. And I do, I want people to know that in the months to come, there's going to be some big sonic booms. And it's going to be a lot of information that people will digest and then try to analyze. You know, everything from Lou Elizando's book, you said, Tom's got another book coming out. But also I think in politics, as we fight over the next few months to get new hearings and new witnesses that people have not heard from to come forward. And it's a group effort. There's a lot of people working on this.

But I do feel we're going to be successful with that. It'll take a few months. Yeah. As we said, you know, it's not the top priority of a political world right now. They got other fish to fry, other priorities that supersede UFOs, which is always the case. something else always comes along that's more of a hot button. But the people that are actively engaged in this have not given up. They're still working behind the scenes. It will happen. As usual, it doesn't happen fast enough for a UFO world. But there's a lot of cool stuff going on.

And we'll see where it leads. Never has so few had so much to tell, but could say so little.