WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - James Fox Hunts REAL Alien Footage From a UFO Crash!

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

James Fox is a dog with a bone, as obsessed as Captain Ahab’s in his pursuit of Moby Dick, as dogged as Indiana Jones’s quest for the Holy Grail. Fox, one of the best-known documentary filmmakers to ever focus on the UFO mystery, has spent 14 long years investigating an astounding series of events often referred to as ‘the Brazilian Roswell.’ Fox's 2022 film “Moment of Contact” revealed powerful testimony from an impressive array of independent witnesses in and around Varginha, Brazil, some of whom saw the craft, the crash, the large deployment of military personnel, and the capture of at least one of the injured crew members who fled from the disabled UFO. The being was described as a bizarre, oily-skinned, nonhuman entity, one that seemed intelligent, injured, and frightened. In the years since the release of that film, Fox has returned to Brazil multiple times to seek out the rumored medical team which met, treated, and communicated with the alien life form. Now, he is unveiling the rest of the story. In this episode of Weaponized, James Fox shares with Jeremy and George the story of how he tracked down the key witnesses who have previously been too frightened to say anything, why they were intimidated and by whom, and details about a wide-ranging cover-up that is still active nearly 30 years after the original events. A new, updated version of his film has now been released, and a major media event is being staged just days from now. On January 20, at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., Fox will introduce several of the firsthand witnesses. Getting them into the US proved to be difficult and Fox says his pursuit of a videotaped recording of the creature also drew the attention of unknown saboteurs. Fox also revealed to Weaponized a secondary objective of the January news conference. He wants the US military and intelligence community to tell Congress what became of the creature, and any other evidence related to non-human beings that may have been recovered from documented UFO crashes in the US and elsewhere. (The public is invited to attend the event and media personnel will be permitted to livestream the entire event.) The Varginha UFO crash is one of the seminal events in history. The mystery surrounding what became of the injured crew member has the potential to blow the lid off of an 80-year cover-up that is still underway. WATCH JAMES' NEW MOVIE HERE : https://geni.us/MOC_NewRevelations GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's films for free on YouTube Movies : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A PATIENT SEVENTEEN https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Indeed sponsored jobs. And in 1996, in day 20 January, I was called to see a patient, and when I went to see, not a being of our planet, right? Cabecina great, but in form of We interviewed the doctor that worked on him while he was live, Dr. Cesario. And then just now, for the first time, participating in the new cut of moment of contact, we got an interview of thank you, Marco Liao, for helping make that happen with the two forensic pathologists, one that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer. His name is Dr. Armando. He's a forensic pathologist.

And then his partner, Dr. Janini, who founded the company, IPD Labs, Dr. Janini, studied the tissue samples. and he's coming forward in the film saying, I've never seen anything like this bacteria perform the way the bacteria did with him. Never before, never since. If I had to put my life like, okay, it happened or my life, it didn't happen, no gray zone,

I'd put my life on that it happened. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbell, in Southern California. Jeremy, we had a big one today. Oh, a big one, man.

And this is so long overdue. It's somebody who's influenced my thoughts on UFOs way before I was really doing this. And I'm excited. James Fox is perhaps the most noted director in the UFO field. He makes great films and moment of contact. This great film about a substantial, a huge event that happened in Brazil. Yeah, we're going to South America. And again, Jeremy, this happened in his film first came out in 2022. But he's been pursuing it like, have been the White Whale to find new evidence, new testimony to really seal the deal on this amazing case. In January 20th, at the National Press Club in D.C., they're handling a news conference and I'm going to present new evidence, new witnesses, and blow the lid off what is known as the Vagina incident. Jeremy, you want to introduce James? Yeah, well, first of all, when my mom comes to me,

says, have you seen this documentary and she's pushing a documentary on me? And it's James's, I know it has reached the masses. So James has been in this fight and really trying to uncover stuff with documentary filmmaking for so long. Again, it's influenced me. I can't believe we haven't had him on before, but his work has touched across the globe. And more specifically, at a time when it was not cool to talk about beings and bodies, I remember James once said to me, I don't know, man, this might ruin me. I'm doing the UFO thing and I'm going after this Virginia case. man, it took courage to do it because it was kind of taboo. It is kind of taboo, but he's made so much headway on this case.

I'm really excited from my friend and brother to join us today. James Fox, what's up, man? Hey, you guys, I thank you for that lovely intro. I don't think it's deserved, but it's definitely appreciated. And I'm really glad to be finally on your show. Hello? What the head? What are we doing?

I know. We're here now, man, and you're breaking news. Like it's nothing. So we've got to talk about what you're up to today. James, how many times have you gone to Brazil to work on this? And do you have another wife and kids secretly stashed down there? I, yeah, I tell you, that's a, yeah, this has had a very significant impact on my family life.

And it's, that's one of the toughest aspects of what I do. And, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's really, really tough. Um, however, it's not forever. And we've been getting so close. Obviously, the Holy Grail is the footage. That's what we're going after. That's what we've been going after. If I told you all the efforts that have taken place to get our hands on that,

because there are multiple sources for multiple extremely credible people that have led us to those sources. But that's what led us to the neurosurgeon, Dr. Italo. Let's back up. Let's back. Sorry. No, that's okay. This is like, it's really amazing information,

but I think you need to put it in context. This is a UFO case that dealt with a crash landing of a craft and beings and so many witnesses. And I always saw that the kids talking about the aliens that they saw of these crap. And then you come in with your documentary and you see them now. And so that was kind of my introduction to the progress you've made. But lay out for us why this is so important, why this is different than other UFO cases with witnesses being alive and how you've contacted them. Tell us about Virginia. Just give us the idea and then tell us the progress you've made.

Yeah, for sure. Thank you. I was getting ahead of myself there. I heard about this case when I was making my second UFO documentary out of the blue. It was the late 90s. I'd sold my first doc to the Discovery Channel, UFO's 50 years of denial. And when I'm working on a documentary, I always take very broad strokes on like, okay, let's cover the Bentwater's case. Hey, what do you think about this Tehrani Law in 1970s in interaction? and my partners and I will throw some things on the wall and see what sticks. And my buddy, first time partner on a film whose name is Tim Coleman. I had the same partner, Boris Zuboff, prior to that, on the previous film.

In fact, he's been partners with me on all the films. And Tim, the new guy, goes, oh, yeah, mate. You know, we got this incredible UFO crash and the aliens survived. And they're walking around the town of Vaginia, Brazil. And I looked at him. and I looked at Boris and I looked at myself and I said to myself, I picked the wrong partner because I lost his bloody mind. Like, and not only that, I dismissed the case so fast.

Like I didn't read one word about it. That was done. Right then and there. Fast forward, 10 or 12 years. I'm going to Brazil. I did. So I did out of the blue. Sold it to Sci-Fi Universal.

Then I did a second version, director's cut, took two years. sold it and put that out there. Then I did a two-hour special for the History Channel to A&E. I know what I saw. Sold it. Then refused to look into it. Then I'm getting invited to go speak

in Parrawebe in the south, in Brazil. And I got a phone call from buddy of mine who's very high up, he used to run Sony pictures, Jeff Saganzky. And Jeff's like, oh, James. He goes, oh, man, that you're going to Brazil? I said, yeah. And he goes,

You got to look into that Varsinia case. And I cringe. I literally had this, this reaction of just, oh, not this case again. I can't believe anyone. It's as intelligent as someone like Jeff Saganzky would even have, how could he be so gullible? But I had so much respect for him and he'd been so helpful to me over the years. I was like, yeah, sure, Jeff. Yeah, when I get there, yeah, I'll look into that for you.

Yeah, sure. You know, click. And I was like, I'm not going to waste a second on it. So I just wanted everyone to know, like, that was my position on it. And then I arrived in Paroibia, and it just so happened. Guess the legendary Stanton Friedman was there. And Stanton Friedman brought it up. And it was funny, actually, because we were sitting on the, it was really nice.

We were sitting on these, like, the terraces would pour out onto the streets. And they had these lovely view of this island. And apparently it was the only island on the planet that had this deadly snake. and it was completely forbidden, but the poison or the venom was very valuable. So these poachers would go out to this island. You could see the island. And they'd go out there and these snakes would drop out of the trees and kill these poachers. So we're all sitting at this cafe having chocolate pizza, which Stanton Frieden was eating

chocolate pizza. Who eats chocolate pizza? But in Brazil, they have chocolate chicken pizza. So we're all in this cafe. And then, of course, the death thing comes up. And then someone brings up the military officer, allegedly, who handled one, of these creatures in Virginia in 1996 and that he had died from, I guess, inadvertently, a scratch or some kind of internal, like, you know, infection.

And that whole topic came up. And I looked and I had this look on my face. And I remember Stanton looked at me. And he goes, James, you, have you not, like, have you not looked in? You don't hear about this case? I said, Stanton, of course I've heard about it. I mean, you know, I kind of just looked at him. I didn't really say a whole lot.

And he goes, you know, James, I think this could. be the Roswell of Brazil. And not only that, but I, he didn't say for sure, but he was like speculating that the Americans would have come in and gotten the debris and everything else. And then I met this other research while I was there at this conference through A.J. J. Javard. And I decided, okay, I'll look into it. And I'll look into it. And I know that within a month, I'm going to be so disappointed. I'm going to debunk everything. And it didn't happen. and that's exactly the opposite that happened. And it kept getting more, I mean, we were knocking on doors.

I mean, I literally go downtown. Like, we had a sound guy with us from Rio de Janeiro. And at one point, he looked at me and I was, I'd walk up to old people on a park bench in the downtown Virginia area. I didn't give a shit. Like, if I got a zero, zero, one percent chance, I'm going for it. Every time. So I'm like, you know, one, nine times out of ten, it was like, you know, one, nine times out of ten,

It was like, yeah, I've heard about the case, you know, blah, blah, blah, but I can't help you because we're looking for like Marta, looking for the girls, like all this stuff. And I remember we ended up getting, finding, with great effort, Marta, the sister of the deceased military officer who'd gone in hiding. Because a lot of people had just, like, recoiled from the whole case. I mean, it's just a nightmare for everybody. It wasn't a career-enhancing move to talk about it for anybody.

And a sound guy looks at me, and he's from Rio, and he goes, you've got to be the luckiest bastard I've ever made. I said, it's not luck, dude. I'm out here pounding the streets. Like, I'm locking on doors. Like, come on. And then, oh, man, there's one thing. I got a lot of weaknesses in life, but that's not one of them. And, you know, my buddy Marco Laos has been incredible. He's been boots on the ground. We get leads. We actually have, we have a, I have to be careful, a mole at one of the hospitals. And the hospitals, they all talk, you know, the medical community. So we've been meeting with this individual for over a decade. And this individual is like, go talk to this person.

Go talk to that person. We know this doctor saw the video. How do you know that? Because I talked to the doctor during surgery. That doctor saw it. This is the guy that shot it. This guy also saw it. And that's how we've been slowly making our way.

But it's really hard to get into, especially as an outsider and Marco's efforts, to get inside the inner circle of neurosurgeons and the forensic pathology. just it's taken years years and now and that's okay so and i've had a lot of i've had i've seen a lot of criticism online because they're like well you know the doctor you know said you know he didn't see the he saw the video but he didn't see the creature and now he's saying it's all the creature it's like yeah and you know what most other people that are witness to an event lie about it until they're ready to not lie about it so and when we heard about the video that Dr. Eiflow had seen it,

we did a video call with my buddy Marco Liao in his office. And I was bubbling over with excitement because you have no idea how badly I want to get my hands on that video. Can you go back and give us a skeleton of the events because our audience maybe has not heard it before? But this is 1996, Virginia, Brazil.

Where is that in Brazil? And how big is it? In the state of Minasterais, it's about depending on how fast you, drive four or five hours north of Sao Paulo. And if you ever want to go to Virginia, make sure you leave South Paulo late at night or very early in the morning. Otherwise, you're going to be sitting in lots of traffic.

And so there was a, there were a number of people that witnessed a cigar shape, cylindrical shape, craft that looked like it was in trouble. Some of them described it as having a gash in the back with this white vapor like smoke. And it was really struggling to stay in the air. there were a couple of farmers. Orlina de Freta and her husband, who unfortunately just died. We got them on camera twice, said that had their farm animals not gone berserk at like 3 o'clock in the morning, they wouldn't have known to come outside and take a look at this object because it didn't make any sound. But it was a cylindrical shape about the size of a large school bus.

And it was like polished aluminum, right? no windows, no control surfaces, no exhaust ports, no intake, you know, just very strange. And it was struggling to stay in the air and it said they had white vapor. On, I think it was the morning of the 13th in January, there was a gentleman named Carlos Sosoza, who's a professor of geography in El Palo. He's also an ultralight pilot. And he was driving up to the north to go flying with his mates. and he saw that same cylindical shape object,

and he was like, holy smokes, like, what is that? Like, it was very early in the morning. And he's thinking he never once thought UFO, never alien, just like, this must be some weird government crap, maybe a blimp, he doesn't sure. And he's like, whoa, that thing's in trouble. It's going down. Like, until he turns off the freeway,

and he follows his dirt road up to the direction it went down. And it was a mileany farm. 12 miles as the crow flies maybe from Virginia, something like this, maybe a little more or a little less. And he sees it struggle and then boom into the ground. He rides at the scene within seconds. He says he gets out of the car. He sees one section of the crap that's like pretty well intact.

Look about maybe about half of it. And the other half that was scattered over a very large area, bigger than a football field. And he said the first thing that, again, never once alien, never once UFO. He was like, what am I looking at? He said the first thing he had to do was grab his t-shirt and put it over his nose in his mouth

because the smell of ammonia and sulfur was so intense. It was watering his eyes and getting in his nostrils. He's like, man, it was overwhelming. He walked over to one of the pieces, rather small piece, and he picked it up and he said it was light as a feather, and he crumpled it with his hands,

and he said he opened it and it took right back its form again. And he was like, whoa. what is this? And then from the opposite direction come these military trucks as a military base. And that's when he was shoot off at gunpoint. He, I don't know how much more detail

you want to go into it, but he ultimately left, terrified, like what the hell was that all about, trying to process what had just happened. And instead of going ultra-light flying, he decides to go back to South Paulo, and he makes a stop off at a gas station and get a cafe. And so he does.

And he stops there. Then he said two men in an unmarked car and suits came up, very tall, beautifully dressed, and they threatened him. They didn't say we're going to kill you. They just said, are you Carlos Sosoza? Is this where you live? This is your wife. Like, you know, you didn't see what you, you know, you didn't see anything. And if you say anything, things are going to get really weird for you.

Were those witnesses Brazilian or American or did you know? I mean, the agents. Well, so it happened to other people as well, and they said foreigners. I said American? I don't know. They said two of them kept their mouth shut. Foreigners with foreign money to bribe them. But I don't know with him. I'd have to ask him that specific question, but he certainly didn't make it clear that they were Americans. But there were a lot of witnesses that did have Americans come and talk to them. No question about that. Some of them said,

They were from the agency NASA. They weren't really sure. But, so anyway, a couple days later, several days later, in the town of Virginia, which is, and there's tons of speculation as to how this happened, how did they have an escape pod? Did they, he didn't see any bodies. He didn't see any creatures at the site. But he said that the section of the craft that was left over and this was easily big

enough for occupants, no question. But there are waterways that get to the, lead up to the area where these creatures were seen like nearly a week later. But again, speculation, we don't know. We don't know. Then there were three girls by the name of, there's lots of other witnesses. There's a lot of military activity trucks, people blocking off road barric blockades with rifles, national security. But there were three girls, Katia, Lillianni, and Valkyria. Lillianni and Valkyria were, Lillianney was 16. her younger sister was 14, and their older friend Katia was to 21-22.

They're walking through this field taking a little shortcut. About 3.30 in the afternoon, it's in January. And January is the summertime. It was very hot. We're going through this field. There was a cinder block wall. Like the area was getting prepped for construction. Like it was an area they were building up on.

And they said that they looked over the cinder block wall as they were walking together. and it was, again, broad daylight, 3.30 in the afternoon, and they, 320, 3.30, they see some graffiti on the wall, and that caught their eye. And they're looking at the graffiti. And then just below it, they see what initially looked like maybe a statue. They don't know they're looking at this thing. They're getting closer to it and closer to it. And they're looking in, and God, that's an awfully real looking statue.

And it was kind of slouched down against the wall, look, you know. And then one of the girls, like, that's not a statue. statues, she screams. I think it was Lillianney. She screams. The creature who had oily skin, big tear-dorpe-shaped head, tear-drop-shaped eyes. Some of them described them as red, some of them lilac, small mouth, small insignificant nose, three protrudence, protrudent, trudence, whatever you call that, on the head, spindly arm, spindly leg, three and a half, four feet tall. And the creature, when she yelled, the creature turned and locked eyes with the girls. at which point Lilliani grabs her younger sister Volkiria and high tails it the hell out of there.

I mean, they get eye contact with it, and it communicates very briefly with them. She grabs her younger sister, high-tails it up. Then she realizes, shoot, we left Katia. Katia's behind with this creature, and they were thinking it was a devil or something, because it had red eyes. So she leaves her younger sister 14, Volkeria, and Liliani runs back. and Katia had just locked eyes with this creature. And Katia was contemplating helping it. Because it was basically communicating to her, help me.

I'm scared. There's somebody looking for me. I need help. And like either either leave me alone, leave me be, don't hurt me or help me. That's what she was saying. Like that there was that communication. And she was actually considering helping it. And even to this day, I just met with her a couple of weeks ago.

She was like, I can't believe. like had I had I had helped that it wouldn't have been captured by the america it wouldn't have been captured by the military it wouldn't have been died and kept it who knows but she's feeling guilty to this day so anyway though they leave they grab her they all leave about two hours later two military officers in the same area eric lopes and this guy named eric marco shries were on the lookout for something very strange creature something really unusual eric lobes apparently wasn't told the specific details like, hey, there's a couple of aliens running around. So it's about 5.30 at night. And they, lo and behold, they see this creature run across the car in front of them.

Eric slams the brakes on without a moment's hesitation. Marco Sreezy leaps out the back door, grabs his thing with his bare hands and puts it in the back seat with him, and off they take it. Now, I was told they took it to a clinic initially and that the doctor came out, took one look, and said, get that thing out of here. I don't know what that is, but it ain't coming to my clinic. So then they go to regional hospital, and they drop the thing off at regional hospital. And then after that, the case kind of goes cold because Marco, Cherise, the guy that allegedly handled the creature, got a little scratch under one of his armpits.

He was perfectly healthy, 23-year-old soldier, and he got an infection. He was dead in a couple weeks. We interviewed the doctor that worked on him while he was live, Dr. Cesario. and then just now for the first time participating in the new cut of moment of contact. I tell you, it's new revelations of alien encounters because otherwise you're going to find moment of contact. It's new revelations of alien encounters. We got an interview.

Thank you, Marco Lail, for helping make that happen with the two forensic pathologists, one that did the autopsy on the deceased military officer. His name is Dr. Armando. He's a forensic pathologist. And then his partner, Dr. Janini, who founded the company, IPD Labs, Dr. Janini studied the tissue samples and he's coming forward in the film saying, I've never seen anything like this bacteria performed the way the bacteria did with him. Never before, never since.

So then, you know, we have, we got to a doctor that we found like seven years ago, eight years ago, that allegedly took some x-rays of a strange thing in a bag that didn't want to come forward, ultimately did for the first cut of the film. Then we got Military X, who we knew all of his credentials, and we got him to come forward. And he drove a creature from Humana's hospital, possibly up to two, but at least one, two as a military base, as a Campinas. And then from Campinas, according to all the military people we've talked to, the Americans flew in, including the guy that saw the damn flight land, unauthorized from the Brazilian government, pick some stuff up, fly a couple of choppers to Virginia back to Campinas and then poof back to the United States.

So what we now have for the first time in history, obviously there's so many complexities of the story. And, you know, there's photographic evidence. We've heard that from the chief of police that we just interviewed. Unfortunately, he died a few months after the interview. His name was Pedro Aguillard. And what led us to him was a photograph. And then, of course, ultimately, when we finally, after years of trying, got to go on camera, not only was there an admission of the photograph, but that he saw the body under a tarp as well.

So that's like, but what led us to him was the photograph. What led us to Dr. Italo was allegedly video evidence, because apparently, according to a number of people that we have in contact with, the doctors, particularly the neurosurgeons, had video cameras because they would film certain procedures they do on the brain. And so they had him at humanitaphous and they had them at regional. So we've been trying to get names of people. We found out through one of our moles that Dr. Etelow was most likely saw the video. So we tried to pin him down about a year and a half ago. And Marco had me on video call. And I was like, I was bubbling over with excitement. You have no idea. Like I want that more than I want to live. Like, I want that. I want that.

video you just trust me man you have no idea there's nobody trying harder than i am i i'm knocking on doors i you i you know i promise you that stuff i could share with you like i'm just i'm not there's nothing stopping me so we get to dr it it's it's gonna oh my god maybe he knows the source like who shot it where it is so we get on video call do a little brief introduction marco is doing the translation and i'm i never at once asked him did you see the creature i was all about the video so i was like did you see the video? And he confesses on the video call. But there was just a call that wasn't recording.

It was just me talking to him through video with the translator with Marco Liao. So I was like, oh my God, oh my God, like, oh shit. He's like, yeah, my buddy shot it and I saw it, blah, blah, blah, it does exist. And I was just like, okay, I need to get my ass back to Brazil and meet this guy, meet the guy, apparently shot it. And I hang up with me. I'm bubbling over with excitement. Marco sits him down, Dr. Italo and peppers him with more questions.

But apparently he wasn't ready to come forward. And as he's done for 29 years, 28 years at that time, he's like, that's it. That's as far as he was going to go, didn't admit having seen the creature, nothing else. About two months after that, and we're calling him. And Marco and I would joke about it because I'm coming after him, dude. I'm coming back to Brazil. I'd say it was like trying to grab a bar or soap in the bathtub because we would call him. Sometimes he would respond.

We'd text with him. and he was just like so like there was, it seemed like there was a part of him that wanted to, uh, that just wants to, but then he would like recoil and pull back, but we kept hammering him, kept going back every month we're calling, texting.

And, um, he has a heart attack. The guy that shot the video, Marcus Venesis also had a heart attack in 2018. He died. I could tell you that we went to see his widow. We went to see his mistress. They had,

he had a daughter with a mistress. We went and befriended her. I went through all of his, computers at his office. I'm getting to know his secretary. I'm digging through his perfume file. Dude, no idea what I'm doing, man. I'm no idea. I have the level of, though, uh, Ethalo has a heart attack. He's staring. He knows he's out of heart attack. He admits himself to the ICU and he tells the doctors, I'm a doctor. I'm having a heart attack. And so he's in the ICU and apparently he was staring at the ceiling and he was like,

I can't take this to the grave. I think I'm going to come forward if I survive. So then he survives the heart attack and then he gets prostate cancer. Oh, man. He gets prostate cancer and now he's like, shit. And then his buddy who shot the video at Regional Hospital, fellow neurosurgeon, Marcos Vinicis, he's like, you know, he's dead. Right? So now he's like, well, I'm going to die. And then that aspect of what took place at Regional Hospital is going to die.

The story is going to just die. So we arrive January of last year and we're going to film with the forensic pathologist. Clearly I'm going out to the video as well. And we're trying to get Etollo. We're trying to get Etole, but I want to talk to these, to these, you know, forensic pathologists because one of them, Dr. Janini's health is not doing well either. So we're in the meeting with them. We got it.

We're at the labs. We're talking. It's all on camera. It's in the movie. It's like super pumped. At about hour through the interview, I was like, we've been trying to get a hold it's a little he gave us one statement like a year and a half ago we know he saw the video like could you could you help us like we're really struggling here we're we're only here for another week

whatever it was two weeks and uh dr armando goes sit tight gets up gets on his phone calls etelow he goes meet him at 10 a.m at the back gate at the at the at the hospital tomorrow morning it's like oh my god so we get the camera crew and everyone's like what's he going to say we don't I don't know what he's going to say, but let's go, you know. So we, and he wants us to meet us at the back of the hospital regional. So he meets us at the back at 10 a.m. the next day. And he's got his full lab coat on and everything. And he sneaks us in through these corridors, a whole maze of corridors.

And he takes us in and he goes, put this gear on. I don't know what the hell's going on. I'm putting on this gear because he's taking us into the ICU where the alien was. And that's where the video was shot too. So he takes us in there. and he starts and I'm just getting my gear on. I'm doing the best I can with my extremely limited Portuguese. I speak French and a little bit of Spanish.

I pick up on words here and there and I really focus, but I'm hearing things coming out. Our field transit, Alini Cross is amazing, but she's doing the best she can. Everything's happening really quickly. The sound guy's down there, the camera guy's down there. We're trying to put the gear on. And it was like, start talking video.

And all of a sudden he's like, no, the creature was right here in this bed right here. And I was like, you saw the creek in this bed? And that's when I realized like, holy shit, this guy's going full open commodo. Like he's screw it. My name is Italo, Daniel and Venturelli, I'm sure what I will say to you. It's the truth, nothing more than the truth. I'm a doctor. And in 1996, in 1996, in January, I was called to see a patient, you know, to see a patient,

and when I went to see, not were a being a being a planet, that was called eventually to give my opinion about the

case, and I saw the point of view of the point of view of the point of breathing, very calm,

very tranquill and I'm a child of a seven years brightio, not had a malcheo, a cabicina

a great but in form of gota a boca little bitinininia one of the hands was in the

camp and another to be out. The eye not was a red, it was a lilac, also in form of goate, and me looked in a way very tranquil. Not was agitated, not was aggressive, not was with a door, and, in my opinion,

I was not with a fear, too, I was, in my opinion, I was was understanding what was happening there. There was a very beautiful to see, a look, so, without judgment. Two-fours, he looked to me, looked to the janela, looked to me,

again, I I felt like, I became close of him, a meter and a half, I didn't talk about him, but I became close. And the way of looking is a way like he

seems like it was a more than a human, than what he was he was thinking, although he was in a situation of defense, he not was with a fear, he was

understanding, he was possibly would have to have some a purpose, or something to She was doing what he was doing. And the reality is that I'm a testimonial I'm a human-cule, I've seen.

They can't say what it for, brink, zombole, say a portion of things, but I see, there, deitado in my front. It's important that the people know that we're not talking of money,

we're talking to a thing that's a concept of humanity, that is a being a other local. I went there, I went to look at a call, in a-casson,

see an other patient, and I see. I think important as people know that people are the people saw

who saw we've seen, we've seen, we're, we're not easy to get in the front of the

camera talking about that they're asking, they're asking, I'm thinking is to insisting,

I've jurey that I'm really, and I'm, that the people are the people think it

exists yes. And so we have this incredible engagement in the ICU and

we get caught by the hospital staff and they kick us and he looks at me, he goes, I think I just lost my job. So we all end up leaving the hospital.

We're outside, and I'm just trying to process. Did that just happen? Did this guy just confess that he saw the creature as well as his buddy shot the video of the slight procedure that they did on him? So we go into a cafe and we're talking and I'm trying to process you to see the camera pan across to the audio guy, to my partner Marco, to the translator, to the cameraman, David West, like everyone's going, holy shit, this could be potentially the biggest story in the history of the phenomenon. And I say this if true, right? Because, hey,

let's chase this down, right? So, then I cycle like, hey, how does it feel? Because, you know, and I've been getting so much shit for so many years on this case, and I get it. I know how I was about it. I know how skeptical I was. And it's like, it took me over a decade to get, you know, like, holy smokes. I think this happened. So I say to him, how does it feel? And without a moment, It's hesitation. He's like 10,000 pounds off his shoulders. He starts crying. And then I'm crying because I know how he feels. I know how it feels to be really cool, laughed at, made fun of, I know, I know what that feels like. And the both of us had this moment and we just met. I mean, he calls me, oh my God, because he jokingly calls me, oh, my God, because when I found out he had the video,

I was like, oh, my God, you know. So I asked him point blank and he said, I'm willing to put my hand in a Bible, take a public lie detector test. I met him, his wife, his kid. He said, and he said, and his coworkers, all the doctors that he knows, he's like, look, man, I lied about it. And now I'm telling the truth, I'm not taking this grave. I wasn't ready. I had a heart attack, prostate cancer, here we go. I'm willing to meet with you. Look me in the eyes.

Shake my hand. Give me a lie detector test. What more can I do? What was the, and you're bringing him to this January 17th event? You guys have no, I had to walk on water and move mountains. I'm not, trust me, this will all come out for my team. what it took to make this event happen. And I was working with members of Congress,

trying to get people hold of the State Department. There were all these additional people under review because I was trying to get all the way this is, including military X who drove the creature. He was willing to show his, reveal all of his credentials and his identity to members of Congress behind the scenes. He was like, yeah, I'll confirm who I am.

Absolutely. Here's my medical. Here's my military records. Here's me photograph. Here's the truck that drove the alien. Like, it's all right here. And I'm willing to, like, and so all these people were coming. And then I don't know exactly ultimately what caused them to change their mind.

But they even approved some. And then they found out it was about the whole Varginia case. And I don't, again, I don't know this is speculation. But suddenly the kibosh went down. I was calling a specific member of Congress. They're calling the consulate in Rio. And they're going, look. And then they're asking me for all these additional information.

I'm like, yes, here's my movie, here's my credentials, here's what I'm doing, here's the event I'm holding, I'm paying for everybody, it's all on me, I'll be responsible for getting them there, returning them there, and then like eight visas got denied. So I flew back to Brazil just a couple weeks ago with a small crew, skeleton crew, Alini Krasse, and Marco met us there, and I actually took a, I had to meet me to say the guy, Amar from guest theory, he came and documented everything behind the scenes, which he's making a film about behind us. And then I took Jeff Nusatelli, who was amazing, just as little extra eyes, a little extra security. He was super, he got to see everything behind the scenes, what we've been going through. And I filmed statements with the help of the local mayor. And I got a podium with Brazilian, a very official setting. It looks beautiful.

And I'll be presenting those to. Congress and to everybody who attends to the National Breast Corvette as well as handing those clips out on thumb drives so people want to spread them far and wide. And then I've got did the best we could. I've got the lead neurosurgeon who claims you have had face-to-face contact. And it's like I'm not asking anybody. You don't have to believe him, but I'm offering the opportunity. Meet his wife. Meet him. Look him in the eyes. Shake his hand. Talk to him. Ask him tough

questions. You know? Like, there's this one thing to see somebody. It's one thing. It's one to see somebody in a documentary, but meet him, man. Meet his wife. Ask him, why'd you lie about it before? Why are you telling this now? Why? He'll tell you. What it wasn't why? What is the why? Are they been intimidated? Was it partially stigma? They worry about losing their jobs or somebody tell them? All of the above. All of the above. Yeah. It's on multiple levels. He's like, look, man, like on despite, forget about the fact that the military shut this all down, right? And threatened probably 95% of the people that were involved, whoever they could possibly get their hands on.

I know the person with the video was terrified because the person with the video who died in 2018, we know this because we're talking to the doctors that saw it. When he showed the video, first of all, there was a fellow doctor in the hospital. I'm not going to say which one, but he was, he was poo-pooing the case.

And he's like, hey, what are he doing later? He's like, what do you mean? He goes, why don't you come over? We'll have a drink together. Okay. So he goes over to his house. And we know this because we know this individual. And this is why we know, like, this is what ultimately led us to eat flow as well.

And he said, apparently he locked the door, he drew the blinds, and then he showed him on this computer, which I... I had the computer right here. This is it. This computer was opened up, and the hard drive was removed with laser-like precision, and the computer was put back together. I thought I came home with it. Wait, what do you talk? No idea. I don't understand.

And like, who removed the hard drive? What do you mean? I don't know. Well, okay, explain it. Explain it like I'm a four-year-old. I went to his office and I took his computer back home with me. I wasn't going to get it analyzed in Brazil. Hell no.

I wanted to get that thing out of the country. And the technician called me. He goes, I just got chills. I said, what? He goes, somebody opened this up, extracted the hard drive, put it back together like nothing ever happened. Really? I could show you the pictures. Yeah. Wow.

So I have people just have no idea the lengths I'm going to. I'm digging through this. No idea. No, no. I'm getting the impression. I mean, I know you're your dogged about it. You want to get the video. You want to get the, if there's a video of an alien, James Fox is going to get it, right? That's where you're at. But let me ask you this, ma'am, with all these details, everything you've jumped into.

The audience might know a little bit about the Virginia case. They should go watch your movies. if you had your best assessment, like what you believe right now. And I understand we could be wrong. You're fighting for the truth. Yeah. What happened? Just one, two, three, four, five.

Are we talking crash with aliens and the government covered up and U.S. has those aliens? So tell me what happened. I can't prove it yet. Could I sway a jury with the evidence we have? I think so. Yeah, I really do. I think it's way more compelling than Roswell. If I had to put my life, like, okay, it happened.

or my life, it didn't happen. I'd no gray zone. I'd put my life on that it happened. Can I prove it yet? No, I can't. Okay, no, I understand that, but for our audio, tell us what the- UFO crashed and live aliens were captured.

UFO crashed and live aliens were captured. No question. You're seeking the footage of those aliens. I can't say that those creatures came out of the crap that Carlos saw, but it's a coincidence that all these people see this cigar shams. UFO and either in distress or crash and then, you know, six days later, there are these live aliens walking through the town? Like, I don't know. Seems like there could be a connection there.

I mean, not only that, but here's another part of the story that we really made sense of this time. And I had a really tough time with this one. So I'm just, when I first came to Varginia, I'm looking at the monument. There's little creatures all around the town. They even have a plaque in front of the regional hospital. And I'm looking at this like a disc-shaped monument. In the shape of a disc, I'm thinking to myself, that's not what crashed.

It was a cigar shape. How could you guys get that wrong? Well, okay, very few people saw the cigar shape. I mean, a handful of people saw it. No question. very credible people. People at farm. Two people at farms. A husband and wife. This other guy, Fabio Fortado. First time we ever put together Google Maps, this allegedly happened here. Everything lined up perfectly. It was like, oh my God, that's where they saw it. This is where he saw it. This is where Cardo saw it. Crash. Like, it all lined up perfectly. In fact, the same thing with the drone shots over where the girls saw the creature, where the capture allegedly happened, where the military blockade would happen. All makes perfectly good sense. Holy shit. That's all connected. It has to be. Like to can be total coincidence. So I'd have to say that 14 years into it, maybe 13 years, 14 years into it, as when we learned the Americans, because the guy that the flight control officer,

and I was going to tell you guys, when you're military, if you're a police officer, you're military police. If you're a fire department guy, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're always connected to the military. This guy was a radar control officer where he would monitor in a particular area of Brazil the flights coming in. And I remember Marco something, and his partner. And he came clean and he's like, yeah, this

USAF flight came in. And I was like, Ousef, what the hell is this guy? It's like, oh, United States Air Force. He came in and goes, he didn't have authorization with the Brazilian government, you can't land. You have to have Brazilian authorization. He says, this high level brass,

guy walks in the door and goes, let him land. And the damn plane lands in Campinas. And that's where our military ex says he drove the damn thing to Camp penis. It makes perfect. Everything lines up. Like, just everything, you know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, if I'm, if I'm going on a tangent here, I, George has questions. He was writing notes this whole time. I remember the first time I saw a moment of contact, the 22 version, not the updated version of your film. A couple of things. I'd seen an early version and early edit, and I'm thinking, well, this is a pretty good story. By the time I saw the final version, you had covered so many bases that I didn't even know were there to cover. But what I left, ended the film seeing it, I was left with an overwhelming sense of sadness for that being, you know, that's communicating to the girls, help me.

And then it's in the hospital and it gets snatched and taken away. And it was just overwhelmingly sad. wherever it came from, it's there alone and scared and we stashed it somewhere. I've never heard more compelling testimony, firsthand outwitness testimony in my career, because I'm sitting down with this, and I know how it unraveled. I should have, you know, Jesse Michaels even asked me at one point, he's like, well, how come he didn't clarify that? I was like, quite honestly, I didn't even know that Marco continued shooting with It's a

low a year and a half ago and asked him a couple of extra questions in which he denied. I wasn't even aware of it, you know? And to us, it was just like, it was not even an issue. It was like, yeah, this guy was lying. He lied for 29 years, 28 years. He had a heart attack. He didn't want to take it to the grave. It's like, and now he's going, I'm sitting there going, like, okay, could he be lying?

Yeah, he could be. Yes, he could be lying. But I'm going, why? He's not asking for a fucking dime. He's about to lose his job. He did lose his job. Then they realized they were crippled without him because he does procedures that nobody else knows how to do.

so reluctantly they brought him back in as an independent contractor. He's doing brain surgery on people at hospitals, right? He's lying to his wife. He's lying to his son now. He's lying to all of his fellow workers. And he's still doing brain surgery. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Like, why would he lie?

Why would he come out here and say, I'll take a lie detector test? I'll put my hand in a Bible. What do you want? Yeah, common sense. We should listen to what the guy has to say and then absorb that information. and you've put it together forensically, which I'm really impressed by James,

like when you've gone after it, you know, I understand what you're saying, how you find out there's an air controller, turns out that's the base you were told from the driver that they move the body. When everything starts forensically adding up like that, you can't dismiss it as a logical person just saying, oh, somebody is lying.

This case is so much bigger than one person saying they saw an alien. And I really like the way you put this together. I know it's hard work, man. Pedro, thank you. Pedro Aguadir, and again, Marco Laial, it's been the most incredible partner, Alini Cross, our field translator, co-producer, unbelievable how much work. She's putting so much work into this. I can't even begin to tell you what it's... And look, I'm having this event at the National Press Club, because I think it's important. Like, if this guy is real and if his story is true, this is the most significant development in the history of the phenomenon. I... You give me a better case where we have firsthand eyewitness testimony, allegedly, of communication with a captured alien. I've never heard it. You know, I've heard of people having contact out in the field, but not someone who's in captivity.

And it's really interesting because he plays Mozart. Like, he plays piano like Mozart. Like, Dr. Ethelow is amazing with his hands. Like, he's a brain surgeon. He talks about how he has to, the level of focus. He has to have 14, 17 hours, sometimes straight, where he'd take little breaks and get to come back and do the surgical procedures. And, um, uh,

I'd like to see one member of Congress go, you know what? I find this compelling. I'm going to find those flight records. Because look, if we had a flight, because I got this guy in the United States Air Force. He's a colonel. He's been helping me behind the scenes. Frederick Klaus and thank you, Colonel. And he's like, look, man, give me those flight records. We get those flight records. I could probably get on the names of people that were on that flight. Okay. So we did a FOIA request. Very particular. We worked with a lot of people on this. That FOIA request, went out in 2022. It came back in 2025. I included the film and it came back from the CIA. Basically, National Security Act of 1949, your request is denied. It's like, you know, and, but let's just say one member of Congress thinks that there's enough compelling data meets Dr. E. Toulog and goes, you know what? I believe this guy.

Let me look into this. Meets the crash witness, Carlos DeSoso, who's also going to be in D.C., meets the forensic pathologist, listens to the statement. made by his partner, Dr. Janini, who does this incredible analysis on the tissue samples and finds this bacteria that he's never seen on earth. Okay?

I mean, that's data. That's like in a very, very specific stuff. We have a whole statement. We'll be presenting all of that. But let's just say that one member of Congress gets, like, holy shit. Wouldn't it be great to have? And we're also bringing a senator in.

Thank you, Michael Schellenberg, for helping make that happen. The senator, a sitting member of the Senate in Brazil, And we want to connect them with members here and start a joint, like, investigation on both sides. So that's what we're doing. Because I think, if true, okay, I'm going to say this again. If true, this could be the case that settles this debate once and for all. And I'm not asking anybody out there to believe it.

But help me research it. Help me dig deeper. Help me get answers. Like, let's work with members of Congress. Let's work with the Brazilian government. There are people that want to see some traction here. Like, what do these people see? Is this all fabricated? Is everybody hallucinating? I mean, there's a secondary goal.

January 20th event, you're going to introduce the world to witnesses, assuming that no one interferes further and stops them from coming. They're going to be available to talk to the world. They can see your film, new revelations of alien encounters now all over the places. They want to catch up the new version. But there's a secondary goal, January 20th. You want to make the case to Congress at others that, look, we can bring this out of the closet. We can go after the biologics. The same issues that apply to alien tech or crash saucers do not apply to the bodies, right? That's exactly the point that some of the intel folks that we're talking to now,

it's like, hey, you know, the technology is going to have to remain a national security issue because of X, Y, and Z, we told you get it. But the biologics, the bodies, the entities, the aliens, people should, that should not be an issue of national security. People should know about it. And I just like, I wonder so bad I want to know, like, was there further communication with this creature? Dr. Itelho described it as such an advanced intelligence. He said it even looked around the room and it knew the situation and it had control of the situation.

It had control of the room. And then it looked. Dr. Ethelow said, I looked into its eyes and it just read all my thoughts, not in a negative, scary way, but it had compassion and no judgment. He said the way it looked, I had no judgment. He said it was like an angel. I mean, it's the most beautiful testimony I've ever heard. And like, I'm not asking anybody out there to believe it. But come meet the guy.

I'm creating this one-time opportunity. Come meet him. Come to National Press Club. This is not a private event. This is a public event. Bring your cameras, document it. It's broadcast it all over the world. I don't own any of this.

Come and get it. Come and meet them. Look them in the eyes. Meet their wives. Shake their hands. listen to their testimony. And if you believe it, let's dig into this further and get to the bottom of this case. Ultimately, you want to try to find the first ever confirmed video footage of an alien that was captured, taken by the military.

And this footage you're convinced exists. You've been hunting it. That's something that you want to help prove to the world that this phenomenon is real. And we have pilots for these UFOs. Is that correct? I would, Jeremy, I would give my right arm to get my hands on that video. And guess what else? I will give it away for, I'll have it analyzed and then I'll give it away for free

unless I have to borrow money to pay for it. Your arm or the footage? Well, I'd give my, if I probably give up an arm to get my hands on the footage or get one hand on the footage. You don't have to do that, man. But we're wrong behind you, James. Like, you've really just fought. hard and I think like blowing it up like this, making it all public, letting people meet, asking

Congress to get involved. Again, as George said, the technology might be classified, but the actual alien biologics and whatnot, it's different rules. If you can just do this successfully, bring it to Congress, I think you've got a great shot at opening more doors trying to find this footage. I think James Fox is going to find the alien footage everybody's been waiting for. I hope so. I, you know, I won't stop. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, either I'll either find it or I'll die trying. So what more can I say? But I put it in it.

I'm sure there's photographic evidence on the American side. Hello. In fact, I even got as far with a high level of tell votes I was talking with the other day. And I was like, where do you think the bodies ended up? They're like, East Coast. And that was it. I was like, that's all I'm saying. It was like, oh, my.

Well, good luck with a film. Good luck with the January 20th. event, we'll all be watching. And as I started in the beginning of our conversation, Ahab, White Whale, that's you. Oh, thank you, brother. You guys, I really appreciate your support. And you're welcome. Your audience is welcome to come to D.C. We'd love to see you there. This is a grassroots effort, you know, and I appreciate everything you guys do. Jeremy, it's always good to talk to James, and his enthusiasm is, like, contagious, you know, you get pretty pumped up. Geez, I'm ready to go to Varginia and go look for this film. But, you know,

there's some lessons you can take from this. I agree with them. I don't think he's exaggerating the importance of this case. I think it's great to have this event at the National Press Club where presumably major media folks can come and pay attention to this issue for once. I suspect many of them will not. They'll pass on it, even though he's going to all this trouble to bring firsthand witnesses up there. But it tells you something about him and about the U.S. government. I mean, the persistence that James shared with us in that conversation is amazing. But it's also amazing. whoever is trying to stop this from coming out has been equally persistent. That plane got to Varzina really fast.

They scooped up all the debris, the craft, they eventually captured the beings. They intimidated all of these witnesses. And years later, they're still on it. I mean, you know, he goes down there to get this computer, bring it back, and somebody physically hacks into it. It's amazing that the cover-up continues that they are, whoever they are are so diligent about keeping a lid on things like alien bodies or even live aliens. And yet you're left asking the same question we always ask.

Why? Why is it so important to keep a lid to deny it to intimidate witnesses and keep it secret? Right. Yeah. I mean, look, it would change the world. If we have, if James Fox finds video evidence of an alien that is confirmed and he can put that out to the world, it changes the entire paradigm. It cracks the egg wide open.

It's no longer about UFOs and craft in the sky. It's about other intelligent beings visiting planet Earth and having done so for a long time. It is a huge deal. And this cover-up we talk about, it's very tangible. It's very practical. We see it in small ways, online, but we also see it in very official ways.

I mean, denying eight visas when someone's coming to the National Press Club to testify to Congress, I've never heard of that. Like, I've traveled all around the world. I brought people in to teach my martial art classes from all around the world to deny eight of the witnesses to come in. Yeah, that feels really suspect to me. James is a straight shooter. He's very, very tenacious. And I think that's worked to his advantage on this. I think that when other people were worried or scared or didn't have the energy, James really went after a man. I am in full support of what he's doing. I think it's smart.

I think it's smart. He's bringing everybody in the National Press Club. My friend Ruben Langdon did that with 40 UFO witnesses in 2013 way before we had hearings or congressional attention, but now there's this window of opportunity.

So just bringing those people in to hear what they have to say and making it, forcing it, upon Congress and Senate, I think it's really smart for James. And this isn't even about his movie anymore. You can tell this is about a personal passion to try to get answers.

and I admire it. I'm fully in support, and people should go. Yeah, it seems like this film, new revelations of alien encounters, opens up some distinct avenues that members of Congress, if they're persistent, can pursue. You know, they don't have any influence in Brazil, but they can certainly call up the State Department and say, hey, why the hell were these things denied? Why is the FOIA request denied? What grounds our national security are involved here? CIA explained to us why we can't know that these alien aliens.

bodies were brought back. Maybe it's as simple as if you know the bodies exist, then you know the craft exist, and therefore it's a national security matter or something lame like that. Yeah, it's just amazing that if the United States had the reach to go to Brazil and to pick up these biologic, pick up these bodies, maybe even the craft themselves, which James really has forensically looked at the timeline, and that really impressed me. It's not like he's wishing this to be true. As he discovered things along the way, he realized it perfectly lines up with what this other witness told me. So I think it's really interesting when we get into bodies, man. It's so emotional. We recognize that we had people on our show last week. So first of all, our friend Jesse

Michaels, did this amazing YouTube documentary about these tridactal beings. And, you know, I've had a bias all along from the beginning because of how I was approached about it. But man, when he did that documentary, it just opened my mind. We had people on last week who have a very different hypothesis. They're saying that the finger structures are off, that this is a hoax. We gave them a platform to say what they had to say because I felt it very compelling. They were very clear on it. Man, we got railed for it.

People wanted to believe with not even looking at the evidence. We got railed that we're like disinformation agents. No, man, we're having people on who have ideas that we think are valuable and should be amplified. That's it. Let the evidence fall where it does. And I think James does a really good job at that, is he presents everything. He brings people forward. I'm excited for what he's doing.

I'll issue one last comment about our show previously a week ago about the tridactals, the mummies. I don't have a dog in that fight. You know, I remain open-minded on it. I have no idea where the truth lies. And as we said in that episode, look, we let other people pursue that. We can't do every story. But these people are professionals, PhDs. They shared with us very specific objections they have to the legitimacy of the evidence provided so far.

If people want to respond to that, not by responding and attacking them, calling them debaubes, or hockers or hoaxers or government agents, answer the arguments that they raise. Get specific. That's what I want to see. And if the evidence that comes forward and the arguments that come forward next are compelling, I'm

perfectly willing to be convinced either way. My mind is open. But just because we cover it and allow people to raise the objections that they did, does not mean that we will never believe it, don't accept it, and we think it's all a complete hoax. It's not that way,

at least not for me. Yeah. No, I agree. And I think also this topic of alien biologics, remember when David Gresh was in Congress, and he said this kind of for the first time in this official capacity under oath, that we have evidence of this, that he has actually seen photographic evidence of that,

which has come out later and explained. He has firsthand direct knowledge of these government documents where he saw imagery of this. It really, it shakes the foundation of the whole UFO thing. It's the dirty little secret. it. If there are craft, there are probably pilots. And so this is kind of the holy grail of the UFO thing. If we can get to the point where we can confirm an alien biologic or a non-human biologic, that's a huge deal. So there's one avenue, which is the stuff out of Peru, which I'm honestly, I'm not on the fence.

At this point, it does not seem to be adding up. But James's story, what he has been able to uncover, I think we have real opportunity here. I would love to be wrong and I would love to have, you know, complete evidence of this. But the only way we're going to get there is to debate the facts, you know, make sure we understand them and have people like James running around trying to get footage, man. So I'm really excited for this in D.C. I'm really glad that people are going to go. And yeah, man, let's see what James comes up with. Let's see how people respond to it. I look forward to it. And I guess you probably should go. You got a lot of time on your hands. You should probably go to that event, don't you think? January 20th?

Man, I'm doing poor men the last two days. I don't know, man. I am going to go see Chris Ramsey's and Jesse Michaels' Austin Live UFO show. I'm very excited about this. A bunch of friends are coming. Ernie Klein, David Foley, just a bunch of friends in Austin. I don't know if people know about this. But on February 5th, Jesse Michaels and Chris Ramsey are doing this

live UFO event at the Paramount Theater, which is where we saw Age of Disclosure, George. So it's this big, beautiful theater in Austin. So I don't know, man. I'm excited. I'm going to travel for that. I'm going to go check that out.