WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Journalist Chris Sharp Exposes AARO Before Trump's Big Decision

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

The UFO public had high hopes when Congress created AARO to investigate UFO/USO/UAP incidents and report findings to both Congress and the public. Years later, AARO is widely viewed as a complete failure. Its first report was riddled with factual errors and typos. Its first director revealed himself to be a thin-skinned, diehard UFO skeptic, hardly an impartial investigator. Witnesses and whistleblowers say AARO ignored or belittled their testimony. As for transparency, AARO has released very few findings, even fewer UAP images, and a second report, as required by law, is many months overdue. The idea that a small office inside the Pentagon could rigorously investigate its own parent organization - the Department of War - seems preposterous on its face. But has AARO found even a single UFO incident it's been unable to debunk? The answer is yes. British journalist Chris Sharp, editor and publisher of Liberation Times, has demonstrated a remarkable ability to break story after story about UFO matters in both the US and the UK. Now he's wrangled an exclusive interview with AARO's former Deputy Director, Tim Phillips. Sharp's full interview could be published in days. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George hear what Chris picked up from his extremely candid conversation with Phillips. The revelations are stunning. Phillips admitted AARO identified 40-50 cases showing "utterly bizarre" capabilities the "best and brightest people in the world" couldn't explain - instantaneous acceleration, right-angle turns, maneuvers no human aircraft can achieve. They "conclusively proved" these weren't adversary or friendly tech, yet never released a single video to the public. For the first time, a former AARO official confirmed UAPs detected in space. Some demonstrated "signature management" - actively avoiding detection over sensitive military locations. Despite admitting impossible performance characteristics, Phillips refused to say they're non-human or extraterrestrial. Chris describes it as "describing a dog without calling it a dog." His responses felt scripted and performative. Jeremy coins a new term: "Project Blue Box" - information flows in, nothing comes out. Phillips confirmed AARO approached Glenn Gaffney, the CIA Director George named under oath as blocking transfer of a non-human spacecraft. Shockingly, Phillips claimed he wasn't aware James Clapper admitted on camera the Air Force ran a UAP program above Area 51. How did AARO manage to screw everything up? Has it been an honest arbiter of UFO facts? And is there a future for AARO in light of President Trump's directive to federal agencies to release any and all UFO related files? *Follow Chris Sharp & Liberations Times ⁠https://x.com/ChrisUKSharp⁠ & ⁠https://LiberationTimes.com⁠ 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.com 👽 MAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbell 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclips 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠⁠ HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠⁠ PATIENT SEVENTEEN ⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Indeed sponsored jobs. Can you tell us how you landed an interview with Tim Phillips, the former number two guy at Arrow? He said that some of the things that we're seeing came from a highly qualified observers and they saw some truly, truly astonishing performance. capabilities, things that no known human system could behave like. They're not going to give it up easily. You know, unless a president stays on top of it and forces the issue, he's not going to get to the bottom of it. A lot of people are thinking on Tuesday or Wednesday that there's going to be during the

State of the Union, there's either going to be the words, UFOs in it, or there's not. And I would suspect that there's two speeches that have been written. And they're debating right now at a very high level with the comms people. I would just suspect. This is weaponized. So Jeremy, you remember not that long ago, we would talk with Chris Sharp, a talented young journalist who's trying to get his head around the UFO issue and all the different tentacles it has.

And we would help him out a little bit. And now the tables have turned. And we have to grovel to him, that maybe he'll share some. Kidbits or scraps or breadcrumbs or something like that. Remember that? Man, I love that kid. He turned from like, have you seen the Mogwai become a gremlin?

Because they ate after midnight. They look like so cute and cuddly and you underestimate them. And then they're this vicious, ferocious, everybody got to watch gremlins. Yeah, man, Chris Sharp is sharp. He is a dagger. He is the dagger that's going to deflate the disinfo balloon. What he's done is amazing. Yeah, he breaks some really great.

stories in Liberation Times and some other publications. Chris, welcome back to Weaponized. Can you tell us how you landed an interview with Tim Phillips, the former number two guy at Arrow? Firstly, thank you so much for the praise. I remember growing up watching you on television, George, and I remember sleeping on a couch for my family because we were homeless and watching Jeremy and Lazare on Joe Rogan. So I've certainly come a long way. So, Yes, I messaged Tim Phillips, the former deputy director and former acting director of Arrow on LinkedIn. Just asked him if I could potentially interview him. And he said yes.

So, yeah, it was actually quite easy. Any conditions placed on the interview about where you can go, what you can ask? No, he actually didn't know who I was. I remember when he got the job, Jeremy, you and I were told. by somebody, hey, that's a pretty good guy. And we're thinking, oh, great, this is great. We're going to have a good, honest broker of information on the inside an arrow. And then, you know, the next time we really start hearing things from him, he sounds like the spawn of Kirkpatrick, like he was his illegitimate kid or something. Because everything came out of him might as well have been

from Kirkpatrick. Chris, do you, did you get a sense that maybe he's freer to speak now that he's out from under the umbrella of Arrow and is more willing to engage, or is he the same guy that was so difficult to deal with while he had the job? Yes. Firstly, I did like him. He was giving up his free time. I think anyone who gives up their free time, you know, for an interview, sit down with someone when they're not going to earn any money or anything from it.

And, you know, he told me it was his anniversary as well. So he was speaking to me on his anniversary. So, you know, firstly, you know, props to him for speaking to me. And he wasn't nasty. I pressed them a few times. And he didn't get too defensive or hostile with me. And, yeah, I thank him for that. However, I did notice things when speaking to him.

It sounds like he's described, let's put it like this. Sounds like he's describing a dog. He's saying it's furry. It wuffs. It's got a wiggly tail. But he's not going to name it a dog. And this is what I believe he is doing when it comes to UFOs. And it kind of takes me back to Obama saying, oh, aliens are real.

And him getting in trouble over that. I don't know. Maybe there's a precondition you can describe UAP. You can say that they've got out of this world characteristics, that you cannot say that they're alien or your feelings. Claridian. I mean, that's the only way to explain it. So, yeah, we had a pretty interesting interview. Dr. Kozlowski also described to us as a good guy, had made a comment that appeared on various social media that he can't do, he can't part his hair without getting

permission from the higher ups at the Department of War at the Pentagon. Did you get into that with Tim? No, but I will say this, and this is what I noticed. So from my understanding, the officer of the Secretary of Defense, the Security and Intelligence, that is the place where they protect special access programs. And the fact that you actually task that place to set up an office where they're going to start investigating special access programs for any UAP-related activity, it seems a bit of a joke, really. So I think from the opposite, that sets the bar. So I believe that he's allowed to talk about anything in terms of what he sees, as long as it's not part of a special access program and that

he doesn't compromise classified stuff. That's what I believe in terms of where he's coming from. We know that Lou was working and protecting special access programs from understanding, wasn't he as well? So, yeah, I think that. That's something that I take into account when speaking to him. I guess what I was most interested in when Jeremy and I heard you got this interview and you're going to be talking to him was just the day-to-day operation, how things work, how information comes in and how it's processed. And then you see, say, a video or something. Does a team of analysts work on a video and then they pass it up? if the team of analysts thinks, hey, this is a genuine UAP or UFO, and it goes up the chain and somebody says, no, it isn't, I would think that causes some strife. Can you give us a sense, what you learned about the day-to-day operations, how information is processed by Arrow?

Yeah, just from what I can recall, it was given examples, for example. So if they said, oh, it looked like a balloon, if a pilot basically said, oh, it looked like a balloon or someone else said it looked like a balloon, or someone else said it looked like a balloon. nobody okay well we're not going to waste our time on this case we want to get to all the meaty stuff we want to focus on the stuff that really showed extraordinary capabilities that's what they really really wanted to focus on and then there was deconfliction as well so um that they would get in touch you know it could be contractors um could be certain aspects within the do w over the emergence community to say, look, was this yours? And, you know, they'd respond and say, oh, no, this wasn't one of ours. So that was something that was very, very important, Blue Force deconfliction, and also

adversary platform as well. So to be a proper UAP within the 40 or 50 cases that they had actually identified as truly extraordinary and bizarre in his words, utterly bizarre, It had to pass those tests first. And then as he described it to me, they got the best and brightest people in the world to study and analyze some of this footage. And they couldn't explain it. Yeah, but that's the stupidest way to go about it I've ever heard. You can have the best and brightest with an arrow. But if you filter the cases based on the stigma of people saying, I don't know, I'm scared.

I'm a pilot, so I probably saw a balloon and not a UFO. Aren't you an idiot for categorizing initially the cases that way? Or am I missing something? So what he was saying is that they had limited resource in Arrow, especially when they were first getting, starting up, in terms of just personnel that they had. Patrick said they had access to everything. Oh, yeah, they had a lot of access.

But the way that he was describing it, in terms of the personnel available to study all the cases that they were getting through in terms of it was like the thousands basically. It was numbering the thousands. So they didn't want to waste time where it seemed to be prosaic. So they would take the person's word for it. If it seemed like a bluna, okay, they're not going to spend too much time in this case. They just wanted to focus on the things that looked truly extraordinary. Okay. Am I wrong though, Chris? Like, so isn't it though that maybe Arrow? Because Dr. Lacketzi said they sure are barking like a dog, meaning acting like they're just,

not just a counterintelligence, but a campaign to mislead the American public. Did you get that feeling from Tim Phillips that he admitted that or that he knew he was part of that? Or is that, am I getting that wrong? Sure. So firstly in terms of what Kurt Patrick said in terms of we had access for everything, I mean, I may have to correct myself because I'm very, very cautious about taking his words out of context. but the gist of it was that they had, 90% of the cases that they had, he said,

were from the air domain. He suggested as well, he said we saw things in space. Right. I don't think anyone associated with the arrow has ever said that they've seen things in space before. No. So he went that far.

So that's really, really important. Okay. But he did say that they had trouble in the maritime domain getting access to sensors and whatnot. I asked him, did you try to

talk to the National Water Reconsus office? And he said, yeah, that's one of the places that we went to. But they had a... So I would say they didn't have access to everything because they did struggle getting...

They did struggle getting access to the maritime domain. And that was always a struggle of theirs. So that is... worth mentioning when Kirkpatrick had said that. When Tim Phillips, so it sounds like he's being a little more open with you than he has been with other jurors. I don't mean to attack the man. I just don't understand the lies coming from Arrow in the past.

There's great footage of UAP. They shouldn't have to come from journalists like me and George. So my question is when he said space, did he deliver to you? Did he mean orbit, deep space? or near Earth? He didn't, I pressed him on it and it just, he got uncomfortable. It felt like he got uncomfortable talking about it. But, you know, he said that a small number of cases involve reported maneuvers,

from highly trade observers of aircraft that basically could perform maneuvers that aircraft and spacecraft we know of do not behave in. He said that. He also said that some of the truly extraordinary abilities that he saw were ability to stop very quickly, accelerate quickly, right angle turns. And again, you know, things that aircraft and spacecraft, we north don't behave that way. So that's what he was saying to me. so you know also he said that some

some of the things that we're seeing came from a highly qualified observers and they saw some truly truly astonishing performance capabilities things that no known human system could behave like wow so he is being more open yeah I mean when you're saying that because he also said you know we found no evidence that these were extradict terrestrial non-human intelligence.

But again, this is why he say that he is describing a dog without calling it a dog. Didn't Dylan Borland explain to the world when he raised his hand under oath about that problem with them saying that exact sentence? Do you remember that, Chris? No, what was that again? Sorry, what was that again?

He said to insert Dylan Borland right now. Dylan Borland raised his hand in Congress and explain to the entire world why they get away with saying, we found no evidence of extraterrestrial life. Because they don't know where they're from specifically, so they can use that as a shell game like Susan Goh,

who's written you extensively, Chris, that their parsing of words is so important. And you've experienced that. So I should not explain that to you. You explain that to the weaponized audience. Yes, yes. So this is always being a problem, in terms of the way that they've got about describing things, extraterrestrial.

So the first problem with that is how do you prove inclusively that you see something in the air and you know that it's from some other planet? Tim did say that there were very interesting tracks. When they saw something, they wanted to know where it came from and where it was going. But if it's extraterrestrial, how are you going to track it back to a planet? So that's one of the limitations that you have when it comes. to that. And then secondly, as Dylan said, if you're going to say it's extraterrestrial, then you would have to know what it's made out of the components.

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well. You know, there's, you know, from what we're getting in terms of what my source is, that these things are coming from our planet. You know, they may be extraterrestrial in nature, but they're Earth-based. So it's better to call them non-human because they're not coming from another planet. They're coming from the oceans. They're coming from deep underground. So that's something worth taking into account as well, definitely. There's a pest control product here in the States, Chris.

they used to have an ad for it called the Roach Motel. And the Roach Motel, roaches check in, but they'd never check out. Seems like that motto could work for Arrow, because information flows in, hardly any of it ever comes out. How does Tim Phillips see his mission and the mission of Arrow? You analyze this stuff, and then you keep it secret and never talk about it. The only thing that ever comes out publicly from Arrow is where they debunk something. You know you have all this stuff.

You know, Jim Lekatsky and others suspect they're a counterintelligence operation. Did he get into what the role of Arrow is? Was he proud of the work they did? And does he feel that one of their duties is to share it with the public? Yeah. Yeah. So that's interesting because all I can say is that it didn't feel natural talking to him. Oh.

It felt like at times he was reading from a script. Ah. performative. You know, at Arrow, we did not see any verifiable evidence that something was non-human. Did you actually see his eyes looking like he was reading his script? Yeah, no, but it just didn't feel natural. It just felt like he was doing performance. You know, I feel like they're really stuck.

Like, I want to give a big shout out to all the really brilliant, good-hearted people in Arrow who are doing amazing work. And their job is to do that work and they're good people, even Kozlovsky, I've heard it, from you, George, and other people. But they are, this is not Project Blue, Blue Whatever anymore. Blue Bean. This is Project Blue Box. They are not Blue Book, it's Blue Box.

They're stuck in a box. They could be the greatest people. So shout out to the Arrow employees. We're not against you, but you're stuck in a box. And that's become apparent. Back to the question, Chris, you were sharing with us that some of what he was saying, to you sounded scripted. But what about the idea of what their job is in terms of transparency?

Does they give even lip service to that as one of the reasons that Arrow was created or not? Yeah, well, in terms of what he was saying to me, he was saying one of the tasks of Arrow, which was misunderstood just from recollection of my memory, was that it was deconfliction. It's making sure that there's no Chinese or Russian text. as well and that was like a big misunderstanding in terms of their mission but no he didn't really say anything

about just kind of like that I mean I was just focusing on some of the cases that he was talking about but he went pretty wild in terms of what he was saying he was saying that there's a Klingon ship that it's like a Klingon ship from Star Trek that was seen I'm pretty sure he said this in another

interview as well that some witnesses that come to the arrow about to say this is extraterrestrial tech or non-human tech, but he was able to confirm that it's actually

American tech and he was just saying that we got some amazing stuff, which is fine. I accept that America may have some amazing tech, but as well, I think that made it even more astonishing the fact that he's able to say America's got all this amazing tech, even stuff that looks like Klingon ships, but also

we've seen cases as well. 40 or 50 so where we can't understand what it is. We've got the best and brightest people and it seems to be beyond kind of like human capability in terms of the platforms

that are existing that we know of. And he would say that and he would also say stuff as well that was really interesting that could have took me back to the UAPTF report, the UAPTT report, which was

signature signature manager. Yeah, yeah. So he was basically saying, that it seemed that he said that they saw the arrow that some of the UAPs had attempted not to be surveyed. Others didn't seem to be to care. And these things were being picked up in sensitive locations, but signature management, they don't want to be seen. Which is one of the five observables is low observability, oddly.

So out of the 50 cases that, you know, that he talked about, And then out of the signature management cases that he talked about, did he give you any specific details of what the signature management looked like or what the 50 cases that were truly bizarre looked like? Did he tell you any specifics of the real UAP cases? No, it was very, very difficult, actually, in terms of interviewing. He's a lovely guy, but it was kind of like one of those interviews where you want to elicit responses, build up report. build up trust and you'd ask him a question and he would just um you know talk for about 10 minutes going into details sometimes um digressing into other things it was very very difficult and you know i did try to at times um pick him up on some stuff um but he didn't spill the beans

what's that he didn't spill the beans no but one of the things that i found really really interesting is that we just, so I said to him, I said, look, in the area historical report you said that there had been no UAP programs between Project Blue Book and, I think it was AllSAP. And I said, did you not see the age of disclosure where James Kappa was saying that there had been a UAP program run by the US Air Force, where they're tracking UAP above Area 51? I was, oh, no, I've not seen that. It's like, how have you not seen that? And he even said that he worked to James Clapper. He met with him, I think, once a week. And he was saying James Clapper is someone that he has the utmost respect for. Yeah, I think he's a great professional. I said, okay, well, well, James Clapper has said this, that there is a UV program run by the US Air Force. So you being someone who has the utmost respect for him and admires him and worked under him at the office. of the director of national intelligence when he was there. What are you going to ask James? And maybe that will change your mind. And he said, yeah, I'll give James a call.

I said, yeah, please do. And please get back to me to tell me what he told you and what your response is now. I think that's interesting. And I'd like to follow up with him on that. Yeah. And we should back up. We're grilling you about somebody from Arrow. You have a good rapport.

We're not, you know, trying to hurt this individual's credibility. we're just, you know, I am a little bit more aggressive about it. I'm a little bit pissed, right? George and I have been attacked. So when we're talking with you, I get it, man. He seems like a nice dude, and you should follow up with him because I think it's beautiful what you got from him. So I'm not trying to attack anybody.

You're doing great journalism, and I hope he keeps talking with you. He seems probably, he's got kids and a wife, and he's got a real life. So keep talking with him. Yeah, I mean, even when he was like, you know, at one point, He was like, what's your interest in this topic, by the way? And I was that, well, I'm a journalist. I write for Liberation Times and occasionally I write for the Daily Mail as well. And I was basically saying, look, I come at this from like, I basically, I said that I think there's a lot of media out there that say that they're fair and balanced.

But it's very difficult to be fair and balanced to the media that, you know, I'm just very, very honest, say that I'm reporting this from the whistleblower as a witness's perspective. I said that I'm friends with people like Lou, for instance, and then he went on the tangent basically saying how Lou is a grifter and stuff like that. And again, this felt really scripted to me. I didn't even feel like, because, you know, I love Lou and my friends and stuff, you know, and I usually want to protect them. But when he said that, it just felt like a script, and I didn't take it personally. I'm like, it felt like that's what I'm supposed to say, you know.

Yeah, I mean, that statement. Remember when the US government used to say, our interest in UFOs stopped with Project Blue Book, nothing after that. And then the A-Tip news comes out. Oh, yeah, well, there's that A-Tip thing. Oh, and then the Ossap news comes out. Oh, yeah, there was that one, too. I mean, you know, you can't take them literally at their word.

I'm curious, did he like the job? Do you get a sense that he liked working at Arrow? Did he like his boss? Does he like being gone from being underneath that boss? Yeah, he had positive words to say. He thought it was really, re-interesting. he also said that Sean Capatrick was a brilliant scientist and yeah so he said that and I questioning among the the technical group they had at the Arrow as well because it's been

reported that Glenn Gaffney was part of that and he admitted to me that they had approached Glenn and Glenn denied it I was like oh that's huge that's huge yeah the guy whose name that George mentioned under oath in Congress, former Director of Science and Technology for the CIA that stopped the transfer of the non-human intelligence spacecraft from our government, right, from Lockheed to Ossap. He actually commented officially on record about that. Yeah, yeah. He said that they spoke to Glenn.

Glenn said he didn't know anything about it. And I mentioned, yeah, I mentioned, yeah, I mentioned. Yeah, yeah, Glenn, Glenn could be a good guy, but I think I also mentioned as well, but saying, well, technically, Glenn may have not blocked it. It may have been a guy called Robert Cardillo in OD&I, where you were working as well, Tim. You were working with an OD&I under Clapper. And a guy called Robert Cardillo was the one who officially did it under Clapper, by the way. So Clapper would have known that it was being blocked as well, which is really re-interesting, isn't it? It's funny how you connect all these pictures, this picture, you know, you know, because O'D and I. Are they going to be now transparent? I just saw you sent me something minutes ago. There was Tulsi Gabbard.

She put something out through official Odie and I or something. And I think she's a badass. And I think she's on the level. And I think that she may be getting the full story, may not be. Do you think ODI and I now is going to tell the truth about UAP because Tulsi's in charge and is the big boss? Or do you think ODI and I is going to continue the cover up the slide of hand? What do you think, Chris?

I think you coming to a place as a political appointee, and you find yourself surrounded by people who are basically working against your agenda and basically saying that we can hold up for the next four years or so until the next guy leaves office. And we'll just wait out until then. I think that's a problem that many modern governments face. but I think it is very, very interesting because, you know, I've done some reporting and I do believe that James Clapper and Stephanie O'Sullivan, when they were up O'D and I, they were running a UAP program,

which involved kinetic action, taking down UAP, and retrieving them. So I think, yeah, I think maybe from their time, you may find that some people potentially could be, involved in that as well from Clapper's time, potentially. Back to Kirk Patrick, who was the first director of Arrow. Every time there's, he's been gone for two years or more.

Every time there's a UFO story, he's out in front crapping on it. President Trump announces he's going to authorize the release of files. Kirkpatrick is in the Wall Street Journal the next day saying, I've seen everything and there's nothing there. Nothing whatsoever. It's all explainable.

I can't imagine what it would be like for Kozlowski, Tim Phillips, who were there after Kirkpatrick left, and he is still acting as the spokesperson for not only Arrow, but the whole UFO investigation and the topic for the entire US government. And he's not part of it anymore. Well, that's funny because, you know, they're talking a lot, whereas Arrow aren't talking at all. I can't get any responses out of golf at the moment. So basically it's like, you know, I just don't. don't know if this is true or not. I believe it is for the past it's coming for. I can't name them.

But I was offered the possibility to interview John Kloski. Oh, he's a ring someone who knew him personally. And they told me, yeah, I've approached John. John said, yeah, yeah, great. Chris can interview me. But he's got to go through the right channels. So I got in touch with Susan Goff, said, oh, you know, can I get a chance to interview John Kuzlowski? and she was like, no, we're not doing that right now. Any comment on this report that's many, many months overdue? I mean, they don't have a whole lot of deadlines for the entire organization.

Where the hell is it? Nothing. Again, it's been complete war-to-wall silence from Susan Goff. I really pushed her to comment on the video that you guys released over Syria. I got that out of her. I only got that because I threatened to make official complaint against her. So I got that up her, but I've got lots of missed questions, including in terms of this report. And all she'll come back with is we have no news for you at the moment on that report.

So I don't know what's going on, but it's failing. So, yeah, they've just gone missing. I do not know what's happened to the arrow. I don't know what's happening with the new deputy defense, deputy or secretary of war. I don't know what's going on with him because at least Kathleen Hicks, I mean, she had all her force, but at least she made sure that Yari was doing its job.

But the new deputy secretary of defense doesn't seem to be doing that. I don't know if you got into this, but any questions about, for example, Does Arrow have a media outreach resources? Do you have somebody out there on X or Twitter or Instagram who speaks on behalf of the agency and who explains UFO cases or videos? No, we didn't get into that, but I'm, you know, as a commas person myself,

that is something that is severely lacking. I mean, they need someone to break it all down and stuff like that for them so that it actually gets communicated properly in terms of what they're doing. why are you not releasing videos like Jeremy and George in terms of high quality showing truly anomalous behaviour? Why are they not releasing those videos? That's what I don't know, because he's telling me that there are these, you know, cases

where they've got these extreme performance characteristics, but where are the videos? I've seen extreme characteristics from you guys in terms of, you know, the last video that you guys released. Why aren't we getting that from the arrow? So that's something that's severely severely. knocking. Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha for hapuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla. Smooth caramel maybe. Or a white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose,

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Does is he in the know anymore? No, not from my understanding. He seems to have totally taken a break from it. I mean, the fact is that he didn't even realize, where he says he didn't even realize that James Clapper had made those remarks in the age of disclosure. If that's true, then I mean, come on, like, you're talking about someone who's totally tapped out of it now. That is just, yeah. So, but again, that makes me think. you know, how could he not know, if he has the utmost respect for James Clapper and he's a living, breathing person who has access to a computer and a TV, how did he not know that Clapper had made those remarks? Do you see what I mean? This is where it gets into this grey zone where you don't know what's an act and what's not. But to me, it seemed that he was trying his best to convey how extraordinary these cases were that they could not solve without telling me that he thinks these are alien in technology. it seemed to me that he was trying to go as far as he could,

and the rest of it was just performative. That's how it came across to me. I know you've just completed this interview not long before we were recording this with you. What are you going to do with it? When's it coming out? And how big of the stories is going to be? Yeah, so we are aiming to get it out in the daily mail. So I provided a first draft of Josh.

We'll see if they take it. I think it's pretty extraordinary because you're talking about someone who was official leader within the UAP office within the US government and someone who you know has taken a skeptical approach of UAP and now he is going out there making some startling claims in terms of the cases that they've got so I think that's worth its weight in gold in terms of a story and yeah I think these stories, this story, I mean, if he is saying that these are beyond the known, the known systems of, you know, human technology, I think that ought to capture the attention of the US government.

And I also think as well that they need, one thing they do need to do is they need to get access to the sensors underwater, they need to get access to in terms of the underwater activity. You know, Kurt Patrick said he had access to every, he hasn't. I think the US and the president of the United States needs a full understanding of what is going on in the other water domain. I have one last question. Then, Jeremy, you could take it away. A lot of whistleblowers and witnesses came forward. Arrow invited them to come forward, tell what they know. They did it in what they thought was their patriotic duty, came in, gave statements, were there available for questions? They feel betrayed because, in essence, Arrow has said, we didn't learn anything worthwhile from these guys,

we don't believe them. And I'm not sure how they could expect anyone ever to come forward again and be trusted by Arrow. Did you get into that at all? Did you have any? Yeah, we did. So I asked him about Michael Herrera, for instance. He said that he'd seen a craft. And he didn't mention that that craft was extraterrestrial.

He just said it was a craft, you know, an exotic craft or something like that. But in the report, Arrow had called it extraterrestrial, which he never did. So I really push him on that. He was like, oh, I didn't do all that case. So, you know, I wouldn't be in a position to speak. But he did say that, oh, what we did is we made sure that we got the witness statements. And we gave those statements to the witnesses to sign. So they knew what was going, you know, what they said.

Like, they provide them a statement. Say, this is what you said. Can you sign it just to make sure it was accurate? That's why he was conveysly. And he said that everyone who was interviewed got one of those. And that they signed it to make sure that. that nothing was being taken out of context. That's how you conveyed it to me.

Yeah, and then it was directly put into the shredder? What? What happened to it? This is it. And the fact that he didn't deal, where he says he didn't deal with the Herrera case. Yeah, it's disappointing you that I couldn't get a good answer from that one. There was somebody on the TV show I did UFO Revolution,

who you hear him explaining what happened, how they treated his case. Like the people that called him, the general and the other guy, like they were great, but there was zero follow-up, and he was very disgruntled about it because these guys put it on the line to talk with them, and it just seemed like they were sucking up for counter intel. Again, the employees are great, but it's the, it's the, you know, Project Blue Box. It's the idea we're going to absorb the info, take it away, keep it like this. You can all day, it's like when you're a kid, man. By the time you turn 13,

if you're not thinking for yourself, you can't blame your parents anymore, okay? When you're working in those things, you should quit in defiance if you find out that you're doing something, you know, where you're doing something immoral. It doesn't matter if somebody tells you it's your job. So I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm pissed today. And it makes me pissed. I'm glad you did the interview. I'd be horrible at it. Three specific questions about the Capatric interview. Real quick, rapid fire. Did he say whether the space detections that he talked about were corroborated by multi-sensors or just single-source sensors? Yeah, he just would not get into any detail about those specific cases,

although he did mention that he was very, very proud that that was a gap that he knew of and that they had started a collaboration led by him with Space Force and Space Command to ensure they were getting that data. And he was mentioning as well that if it's not, a threat or seen as hostile, they usually won't pay attention to something that they see out in space or in orbit or something like that. So it was important to make sure that you were picking up those kinds of cases. So yeah, that was something that came to mind, yeah. Okay, so am I correct in a quote where he said in your interview, we could conclusively prove

it wasn't adversary or friendly? Did he say that? Because I have a question then. Yeah, so he basically said that we were able to conclusively prove it wasn't a known system either adversary or friendly. Okay, so did he explain what methodology he used to reach that conclusion? He only went so far to say that they would call up contractors of certain elements within the DOW and I think the intelligence community as well to say, look, is this one of yours? No, it's not one of yours. And I'm not sure how they're able to determine, though, that it wasn't an adversary technology as well. But he said conclusively. So if you take him his word, that's pretty big.

Okay. So, yeah, we just talked with a friend, Logan, and he was explaining to us how when he was shown footage on a radar system, he kind of explained how they could determine it wasn't China, Russia, US, or whatever. So I was just curious. Last question from me about this. I've been out of the media. I avoid it like the plague. It's very painful to look at things.

I want less media. But did he address why he went on LinkedIn to downplay things after such a like a candid interview? Didn't he recently go on LinkedIn? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So again, he's using that terminology from my understanding. You might need to correct me, but he was saying that basically we found no evidence,

verifiable evidence or something like that of extraterrestrial. or aliens or anything like that. So again, you know, this is the game, you know. He is basically describing a dog, but not calling it that. And this is what he's doing. You know, you've heard these quotes that he said, you know, and it sounds to me that he's leaving very, very little room for an explanation that could be human in origin.

But he is not willing for some reason to go as far. to say, at least say, I think it is extraterrestrial. I think it's non-human because we can't do this. Do you think he was talked to like Representative Burchett was by the quote-unquote suits? Do you think he was talked to like probably Obama was when he definitively said aliens are real with no caveat? Do you think that he has somebody calling him like our other friends have? I think it is because straight away, when an official

who's very very senior says that there's aliens in a straight face well okay that's going to cause a big story it could potentially lead to uncertainty

in the stock market it could lead to destabilisation of politics so when you say that as a politician or someone very very senior a position to know So that's when all hell could break loose when you'll say this is alien or there are aliens or something like that.

So what about what about Trump then? What about Trump saying that it's classified? Aliens are classified. That's what he said, right? Am I getting that wrong? No, you're not. So this is why I believe what he said was such a big deal. Basically, it seems to me, like I was saying, it seems to me that they're able to go so far.

but once they use the word alien, that's when they go over the line, basically. I think Trump did, I think Trump did not specify what it was that Obama said that was crossed the line. Right, but what did we say if you look at the question? Yeah. Well, you know, he said a remark about there's no aliens underground at Area 51. Maybe it's the mention of 51 or I can't imagine how saying that aliens are real would possibly be a violation of national security protocols. we don't know. I'm curious, Chris,

and I'm not asking you to be a spokesperson for the entire UK, but how is that back and forth Trump and Obama on this issue and then Trump's order, hey, we're going to release the files. How is it being viewed over there? It's picked up some coverage.

I think people, because our politics, I mean, like your politics as well, is so intense at the moment. You know, we've got high-profile figures in this country. being arrested in terms of the Epstein scandal, for instance, and we've got, you know, British territory being ceded away to Mauritius and us paying billions as tax base.

So you've got all these debates, but what interesting thing is, you know, talking about the Chegos Islands, which is something explainable, you know, we're giving away Diego Garcia, basically, the islands where Diego Garcia is to Mauritius. and we're giving them away to Mauritius and then giving them the money after giving them away and one of the people who's really re-involved and campaigning in terms of say

look we should not be doing this we should not be giving away these vital islands and paying for the privilege to do so is Noel Gardner he's the former aide to Margaret Fatcher he works to the Heritage Foundation you could view him as like a UK elite

basically and I had an interview on talk TV with Alex Phillips and Friday and he was one of the guests on there. And after my interview, Alex basically said that Nile's face just like dropped and just like, and he said, gosh, I know who Chris is speaking about. I know these names. I know these people. And he went on to say that I think that interview that you did with this, that daily mail journalist was extraordinary. And this is something that we need to be paid. attention to. So I think that there are a lot of people who are just kind of asleep at the

will that they don't realize what's going on. And then when they got time to actually digest what is going on, it's rattling them, especially what's happened with Obama and what's happened with Trump. Because Trump was deadly serious. And the White House, you know, because Fox News did ask saying which part of it was classified, was it when he said that aliens are real? And the White House basically said we have nothing to add to what Trump said. That was the White House. By the way, that was the White House. That was their time where they could have said, that was their opportunity to say,

look, Trump was just joking around. When that moment happened, when they said that we don't have nothing else to add to what Donald Trump said, that made me realize that, gosh, this is serious. They're not trying to row this back. Yeah. So I don't know what's happening within the White House right now. But I suspect something quite big is going down potentially at a moment. Can I ask you a stupid question?

I don't understand when you're talking about the facial expression. What do you mean by that? What is the guy showing us by that facial expression? It was kind of like it was just described by Alex because after my interview, they went to like an advert break. And Alex is basically describing that after the interview, you kind of like just sunk in like his face was like oh like something along those lines like i know the people that chris is talking about wow uh and it kind of like just sunk in for him

that well the guy knows the people but he didn't know what they're talking about that he'd been out of the loop kind of a thing yeah i didn't know what people um it was relating to so i mean i mean i mentioned names like pete higskerf um um john rackliff people like that so maybe it was um relating to those kinds of people. But it's like Tim Phillips not having known what his pal has said in a movie, it's a little bit disconnected. Yeah, there is a disconnect there. So, yeah, it's just interesting because for me,

I don't even think the interview went that well for me. I didn't think I was that great. But just kind of like, and I wanted to let as many people to know as possible say, look, this is this guy's reaction. Like, you're seeing it live on air, just like someone. who's not really previously been aware of this, like take this all in a real carbate heavyweight,

and elite covite person who's highly intelligent, who knows about all the world events that's going on. He hasn't really digested what's been going on in the UAP sphere, and now it's finally, do you know what I mean? And I think if we do kind of get more disclosures in the upcoming days, weeks and months, I think we can expect some more of those reactions.

Chris, as you rise to the pinnacle of journalism, I hope you will remember your old hobbling friends who are just trying to get through life and you just occasionally just scrape something off the table, a couple of tidbits, breadcrumbs, whatever, and help out some old guys who are trying to find their way. Absolutely, absolutely.

I can't wait to take you to a pub in the UK. I think we've got a good one called the John. Georgian Dragon that me and Jeremy want to take you to you. So, yeah, we look forward to seeing you. Chris, I just want, you know, people to hear that, you know, there are people that are trusted and you are trusted. I think you're an excellent journalist and don't ever fucking stop. Just keep fighting, man. And people, if they got something sensitive, they can go to you, man, because you will protect people, protect sources. We've known each other for years. You never said a single name to me. And I've tried. You know, that's part of my job is trying to figure out what's going on. I really respect

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He's developed sources. We have no idea who they are, but every week he breaks something really good. And I look forward to reading his article based on this interview with Tim Phillips. I also really look forward to the reaction to it. Do they come out and say, I didn't say that, or I was taken out of context or, you know, or some other weasel words that would try to diminish what's what Chris clearly outlined is going

to be in his piece? Man, I'm so proud of Chris and he is such a trusted journalist. You know, George, I was sitting in this meadow yesterday. And, man, I was like, I hadn't done that in like a long time in Pioneer Town, right? You got like these washes. And I haven't done that in a while. And I like all of a sudden I just relaxed. I was like, this is an exciting time.

This is one of the most exciting times and opportunity because we have had zero announcements. A lot of people are thinking on Tuesday or Wednesday that there's going to be during the state of the union, there's either going to be the words, UFOs in it, or there's not. And I would suspect that there's two speeches. that have been written. And they're debating right now at a very high level with the comms people.

I would just suspect that they're trying to figure out what are the steps that we can do to explain to people? I'm sitting there in this meadow and I sent you a video, George. And I was like, this is what relaxing looks like. I was not relaxed. I was so excited because this is a unique time in the history of the UAP topic for journalism. out of your 40 years, man, I asked you this in Congress. I'm asking this now.

Did you ever think that we at least were asking the right questions like we are now? Did you ever think we get here? No, not really. I mean, you had not only the sitting president, but a former president having a back and forth about UFOs. And it wasn't a direct conversation, but both making comments, walking things back, and then a declaration by President Trump. It's an amazing time. And I know the immediate reaction to the public is this is a distraction from the Epstein files.

I think probably everything that Trump does for the rest of his life is going to be viewed as a distraction from the Epstein files. We're going to maybe start pulverizing Iran here in a couple of days. That will be seen as a distraction from the Epstein files. I think his reaction was legit, that he really does want to see the files released. I'm not sure that his interest in the topic is all that deep. But I know he has political instincts that can recognize, hey, whenever I say something about this, people really react. So I'm going to go with the flow. You know, so the president has issued a directive.

There are a lot of obstacles in the way. He's going to have to declassify stuff if he's actually going to get files to be released. And the keepers of the secrets who've kept this stuff stashed away and have lied to the world public about it for 80 years. they're not going to give it up easily. You know, unless a president stays on top of it and forces the issue, he's not going to get to the bottom of it. I mean, you know, we've had a lot of presidents since Harry Truman. All of them had varying degrees of interest in the UFO issue. Maybe George H.W. Bush is the guy that knew the most.

But they've made promises similar to what Trump has done. And then it goes nowhere unless somebody in his administration is appointed to stay on top of this and make people comply with the order and, you know, go through the process of declassifying stuff, then maybe it goes nowhere. But even if that happens, the fact that the president says, hey, people are interested in it, they have a right to know, and we're going to do what we can to release the files.

That's a big deal, even if we don't get the files. Shout out to our pal Peter from Fox News because he was on that airplane with Trump. And he just asked the question, that we all wanted to know. And I think you'll agree with this, George, is that, like, our representatives for decades, they've been assessing the potential threat of NHI and UFO, you know, for American sovereignty. I mean, they've been assessing that for so long.

I understand why the secrecy, but, you know, we're kind, and they were wisely compartmentalizing everything to protect and detect competitive advantage and strategic surprise. So now, kind of part of that self-preservation, and people are more wise to it now. And people have recognized that there's substance to this. So I really think that that time has now passed and that we need a people's champion. We need somebody to say the quiet part out loud. And it might be for selfish reasons.

It might be to distract or it might be, I don't care. But if somebody says it, imagine state of the union, they bring up UFOs. I mean, man, you would be the people's champ because everyone. Everybody already knows. UFOs are real. You've been lying about it. We get why you're lying about it. So I don't know. Is it weird for me to be optimistic, maybe not the State of the Union, but that we're on a course, a collision course with truth? Is there, am I stupid for being optimistic? We've had this discussion before. I am encouraged by the fact that the current president is talking about UAP and given a directive to federal agencies. That's a, that's a, that's a big. moment, even if it leads nowhere. I am pessimistic about how it ultimately plays out because the people who keep this secrets do not want it out. And there will be all kinds of witnesses who will

come to the president and tell him why it's a really bad idea to release this and that. Oh, boy, we can't release this. It's going to reveal we have X technology. There'll be a lot of excuses and a lot of whispering in his ear about why it's a bad idea. I hope he sticks to it. I hope he stays on top of it. The problem is the president, whether you think everything is a distraction from something else or not, every single day there's something new on his plate. That's a potential world crisis. So it's hard to stay focused.

The same thing is true for Congress. They've got so much stuff to deal with. The only way to make this, make progress, and really get somewhere is to stay on top of it, maintain the focus, and follow up your promise to have these, files and other evidence declassified and released. We'll see. Again, I'm a little bit on the pessimistic side, but we'll see. Final thought for me. This is a historic opportunity, and I think history will tell if our president has both the will and the grit and the ability to do the right thing for the American public and the generations to come. I think the time is now,

and before another nation does it, I think America will be too late if they don't do it now and lead by example. And look, man, if I had to choose one thing, what do you do first? If somebody, let's say,

at the Pentagon, comms people say, what should we do first? I would say we release all the scientific data and corroborative visual evidence of UAP that doesn't directly endanger

our great unions national security. And if you do that as step number one, then we don't, we can move on, George, because then we won't have this subversion because we know the footage is out there. We've seen it. And so have other people. They've admitted it to us on weaponized. So I would say that would be the first thing that I would do if I was giving guidance. And they had the courage and the grit to fight that. I, George, no matter what you say, man, I'm pumped. Well, again, we'll see. I'm there with you.

If it happens, that's great. Yeah. We've been down this road before. Yes. And other presidents and presidential candidates have made these promises, and they fizzled. So I'd like to see it. There's a tiny part of my brain that is optimistic, but the rest of the vacant space up here is mostly pessimistic. But never like this, George.