WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Massive Mystery Cubes Invade Vandenberg Space Force Base : Military Cops Give Chase - Guest : Jeff Nuccetelli

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Vandenberg Space Force Base has a long and storied history of spectacular missile and rocket launches and has been essential to some of the most advanced defense technologies ever tested and developed by the U.S. military and its contractors. Vandenberg has also been the site of many of the most dramatic UFO incursions in history. In this episode of Weaponized, Jeremy and George are joined by an Air Force veteran, Jeff Nuccetelli, who spent years at Vandenberg as a military police officer and who witnessed and investigated spectacular but chilling incursions by gigantic craft of unknown origin, including the sudden appearance of an enormous cube or rectangle that glowed red as it slowly crept over the top-secret Vandenberg range. The story told by this witness is included in a soon-to-be-released documentary film, The Age of Disclosure, by director Dan Farah. In this conversation, he shares previously unknown details about the Red Square UFO and about a similar incursion by another gigantic object that appeared over the base and caused perplexed security personnel to ask some tough questions. See the newly released Military Police blotter from the Vandenberg Space Force Base RED SQUARE UAP event series: https://www.weaponizedpodcast.com/news-1/red-square-uap Follow Jeff on X at https://x.com/@Ice_Alchemist11 GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2 Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

explained to me in detail the event that occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base. A large group of Boeing contractors were operating near one of the launch facilities at Vandenberg Air Force Base when they observed a very large 100-yard-sided red square approach to the base from the ocean. I got there in 1999. I left Bannerberg in 2006. So I walked over and all at once they all start to tell me that at 0 845 that morning, we had a real-world UFO event at launch facility 21 on the north end of the base. And these contractors were working on site. One of them walked outside and noticed there was this gigantic red glowing square-shaped object hovering at low altitude over the launch pad. Wow. Was there also a landing?

Yeah. In that same time period. This is the, you call it the blotter, right? Security Forces blotter. People can see this, right? They can see the account as recorded. Yeah, it's actually not like publicly available anywhere. I've shared it with Congress and Arrow and the FBI. Can we put it out for this episode? Make sure people see it? Yeah, you can. Absolutely. I would like people, I want the public to be aware of this is happening. And it's real. So yeah. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague,

Jeremy Corbell. How's it going, Jeremy? Really good, man. We got good stuff today. You know, a couple of weeks ago, we mentioned to our audience that we had been in Austin, Texas. We got to see this premiere at South by Southwest of a new UFO documentary called The Age of Disclosure. This thing by Dan Farah directed it. not yet released to the general public, but it's coming soon. And it is jam-packed with so many statements from government people, former and current government officials, intelligence officials,

former military scientists who've all done deep dives of their own into the UFO topic. And included in that film is a very brief discussion of an absolutely fantastic UFO incident that occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base, which has been the scene of a lot of activity over the years. And I, you know, I wanted to know more about that. It was incredible. I had heard a little bits and pieces before, but I thought that thing is definitely worth exploring in greater detail. And you're making it happen here today. Yeah, the Red Cube. It's so exciting. That is something that was testified to by Ryan Graves in Congress. But that's not how it got there. How it got there was a friend that we're going to have on. And 16 years, Air Force. And essentially is not just a witness to some of these events. but also as an investigator. I mean, this is an individual who had interest in this and has tracked it and brought evidence, brought proof. We actually have that proof, you know, the actual logs from Vanderburt Air Force Base of the Red Cube encounter. So it's an interesting moment. I'm glad to have

our friend on to amplify this individual's voice. He's highly credible and also works with other highly credible people that are just trying to get the information out there about what's going on over a sensitive military infrastructure in the United States. what I like is that the email I got from him yesterday, our group email, he ends it with Go Go Go Go Go UFO. So I suspect this guy has seen Weaponized before. That's right. That's the tagline. I guess I keep saying that. Go Go Go UFO. Transparency. I'm so excited. Yeah, look, you can be into UFOs and be a great credible military witness or federal witness at the same time. I'm glad that there's interest in weaponized. I'm glad

this interested in the UFO topic. Without further ado, let's bring in our friend Jeff. What up, Jeff? How you doing, man? I'm doing great, man. I'm very happy to be here. Hi, George. How you doing? Hey, good to talk to you. Can you give us a little of your bio, a thumbnail sketch of your bio? How long were you in the Air Force? Yeah, I did 16 years on active duty. As a military police officer, that was my specialty. At Vanderberg, I was heavily involved in law enforcement. I was the installation hostage and crisis negotiator, so I had a pretty active career. So, yeah. Is there some family history with the topic?

Actually, yeah, my grandparents on my mother's side, my grandfather was a World War II combat vet. He was in the Battle of Sicily and all the major conflicts leading up to the end of World War II. So very familiar with aircraft. and I have his war diary and he documents like radio controlled bombs and brand new technology of the day. Him and my grandmother were at Lake Erie and they witnessed the, it's called the Presque Isle UFO landing. And that was a major case, Project Blue Book documented it. The Air Force investigated.

It was in all the national papers. And they saw the craft land. They were out fishing. and so that's all they really saw, but it turned into a very big event, multiple witnesses, police officers, and on and on. So you're in 16 years, you're at Vandenberg for how long, and while you're there as a military police officer, you're not investigating UFOs, you're doing your job, right? Right, yep, right. How long were we there at Vanderburt? I got there in 1999. I left Vanderburg in 2006, so about seven years.

As we're going to hear today, there were multiple incidents that you're aware of. Absolutely. Yeah. Most of them are not public yet. You testified to Congress or you briefed them in 2023. Tell us a little bit about that, how that went. Yeah, so it all started. You know, over the years I had sort of my own X file.

What I would do when these events would happen, I would go up to our command center and I would print out the paperwork and I kept all of that. So I had this X-File full of these strange events. And over the years, I just didn't know what to do with it. I thought about contacting journalists and things. But I didn't want to put it out to the news and then them do the X-Files music and just, it be a blip. I wanted to do something important with it. So eventually I found Ryan Graves in the Merge podcast. And I thought, well, here's the guy.

You know, this is the guy. He's an experiencer himself. It's credible. So I reached out to Ryan, him and his colleague Brad Crispin got right back to me. We talked. I sent him my 214 and some other performance reports to show I was at Vanderberg and my rule there. And then things happened very quickly. He put me into contact with some lawmakers, Congress, senators, and their staffers. and I ended up doing like a mass briefing. And I told them about the event. I shared the details of the case.

I let them know that I had actual documentation, Air Force official records of the event. And that really started things rule. Jeremy, take us into the Red Square. Yeah, well, first of all, it's awesome, the service that Ryan is providing to allow people like you to come forward and to amplify your voice and bring into the halls of Congress that is so essential.

And I'm just grateful to Ryan for kind of having that capability to bring someone like you in. Yeah, let's start with the red square, the red cube. 2003, Vanderberg Air Force Base. I mean, just paint a picture for us. Tell us, you know, take us through the event. This was mentioned in Congress. And this is something you've provided evidence and proof for because of your own work. Tell us what happened.

So, yeah, it started out a normal day. I was the senior patrolman on Bravo, flight. Flights are like platoons in the Army. We have flights. So we usually have 60 to 80 or more people on each flight. I was in a leadership position as the senior law enforcement sergeant. If I came into work about an hour early to do changeover with the offgoing leadership, that was Delta flight. So when I pulled into the to work, I noticed there was a crowd of people around the smoke pit. And when I pulled up, they all started to point at me. And they're like, oh, there's Jeff, and I could tell they had something cool to tell me, which was not unusual.

We were pretty active base. We had wild things that would happen from time to time. So I walked over, and all at once, they all start to tell me that at 0.8.45 that morning, we had a real-world UFO event at launch facility of 21 on the north end of the base. And at first, you know, I'm like, are you guys pulling a prank or doing what? whatever, but very quickly I realized that this was real. You're great at protecting your data, but lots of places could still expose you to identity theft.

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Terms apply. So I walked over to the command center and met with the offgoing leadership, their flight chief and their senior patrolman, my counterport. And they gave me a briefing. And they had actually responded to the event. So I got, you know, direct from the horse's mouth. And basically what happened was three Boeing contractors were working on a national missile defense. This was a new initiative under the Bush administration to put in together like a Star Wars program to protect us from, you know, ballistic missiles. And these contractors were working on site.

One of them walked outside and noticed there was this gigantic red glowing square shaped object hovering at low altitude over the launch pad. And this guy just is like, you know, oh my God, what is going on? He watches it for a few minutes. He goes in, picks up the landline, and calls two of his co-workers. They all come out, observe this thing for some period of time, and then they do what they're supposed to do. They picked up the phone. They called range control, which is like a command center that oversees all the various launch facilities. They reported it.

They described the object. And then the controller at range control called around to the various other. agencies on base, they called the weather station, they called the tower of the flight line and everybody else to find out if we had anything in the air. And the results were negative. We had no aircraft. We had no weather balloons. There was nothing on radar. So this was, they had no idea what this object was. And at some point during that time frame, the object just slowly floated further onto the installation and they lost visual as it went over some hills. So it came onto the base.

Absolutely no noise, no signs of propulsion. So this was like completely anomalous. So after making those notifications, the controller notified the law enforcement desk and asked us if we knew anything about the object and requested that we responded. that we send an armed patrol out. So that initiated my friends getting involved. And they drove out to the site. It's probably a 15 or 20 minute drive from our command center to that location. That's out located right on the coast.

My friends didn't see anything on the way out. They met with the contractors. They got the whole story. And they took sworn written statements from each of the three contractors. describing what they saw. They returned back. They typed up a report. They put it in the blotter,

which is a chronological record of everything that happens on the basis of police record. And they made notifications through our chain command. So they notified our commander, our operations officer, and on and on, including the wing command post. And it was upchanneled all the way to the top as far as I know. And as they were telling me the story, I was copying all the paperwork, you know. And that's pretty much what happened that afternoon. How gigantic. And was it picked up on radar or only seen visually?

As far as I know, according to the documentation I have, there was nothing on radar. And I have that data is captured in the blotter and also in the witness statement I have. I have the witness statement from the individual that worked at range control. received the complaint and made all the notifications. So I have his written statement. So no radar tracks, no idea what it was. And the object was at least 100 yards wide or whatever. Yeah. You know, I would think something like that, gigantic red glowing square over Vandenberg that goes over the base, would freak people the hell out.

There would be alarm bells going on. It did. I mean, people were, some people were shocked, some people were in disbelief. Other people were like me. I was excited beyond, like I couldn't believe it was really happened. I mean, you'd imagine people wouldn't want to report this. Their contractors out at this military installation, you're dealing with, you know, the idea of intercontinental ballistic missiles

and defense, and they have to report a football-sized stadium cube that's hovering over the base. I mean, this is an essential. astounding account because I'm sure they didn't want to have to report this. Yeah, I'm sure they did. I mean, these guys are probably engineers or something with top secret clearances. They're working on the National Missile Defense Project at that time was the executive branch's top priority for the military.

And we were doing launches from Vandenberg that I was involved in like guarding the launches that were deemed the most important space launches in. 25 years. So this was taken extremely seriously. Yeah. This is 2003. It's a year before the famous Tick-Tac case. At the time, had you, were you up on UFO history of Vandenberg, the kinds of things that happened to Bob Jacobs and Mistral launches decades earlier? Yeah, I was aware of that case. I used to listen to like coast-to-coast AM radio and things

like that. So, you know, because you're working all night and there's nothing. So I would listen to that. And a lot of people in the military did. So I knew a little bit about that, but I hadn't seen anything at Vanderberg up until that day in October. Yeah. And you brought, I mean, I'm sure you put this public already. This is the, you call it the blotter, right? Security Forces blotter. People can see this, right? They can see the account as recorded. Yeah, it's actually not like publicly available anywhere. I've shared it with Congress and Arrow in the FBI. Can we put it out for this episode?

Make sure people see it? Yeah, you can. Absolutely. I would like people, I want the public to be aware this is happening. And it's real. So, yeah. So it turns out the gigantic red square is not the only gigantic square. There was another one.

Yeah. So we came on duty that evening. And I, me and some of my friends were like, you know, in quite a state, like excited. So I was going out UFO hunting that night. So I went up to the armory. I got some NVGs. I got a portable thermal imager, some binocs. And me and my buddies went out hunting UFOs.

So I was out some period. We think this happened around midnight. I had been out on the coast, you know, watching the skies for a while. And I had this moment of kind of clarity where I'm like, oh my God, you know, I'm out here alone. And if this thing shows up, I don't know what's going to happen. So I got freaked out and I drove back to the command center. And I got there and I took off my gun belt and I was chilling out on the command center with my buddies. And we were talking about all of it.

And then a radio transmission came in from space launch facility four. And that's located on the opposite end of the base down on the south end. and that is our largest or was our largest launch pad on Bannerberg. That's where we put all the really big rockets up. And I believe that's where Space X launches from now. So the transmission comes in, something to the effect like Be Advised. We've got a weird light over the water to the west moving erratically. And my friend Brandon was the controller at the time.

and he's like, all right, Roger that, be advised. You know, everybody be on the lookout. Keep an eye on it. Keep his updated. And I'm like, okay, I better roll. So I, you know, I grab my gear. I start getting ready to go. And then more transmissions come in, more frantic.

And they're saying, hey, you know, this object is, appears to be getting closer. It's moving very strangely, not at all like an aircraft. That's getting larger and brighter. And then just all hell broke loose. and the radio transmissions get very, you know, frantic and garbled. And I'm hearing yelling. They're saying, it's coming right at us. It's coming right for us.

Oh, my God, it's right here. It's right on top of us. And by this point, I'm driving. You know, I'm poed three likes the sirens going. I'm on this windy road. It's usually like a 15, maybe 25 minute drive there. I probably got there in like less than 10 minutes. I've got my head out the window, you know, and I'm looking, I'm looking for things, listening to the transmissions.

And I remember distinctly a moment where they called in and they said it shot off. It's gone. So there was like a lull. And I was hearing transmissions from other patrols and posts down on South Bay. They're like, yeah, yeah, I've got visual, you know, and I've lost visual. So it was really chaotic. So I get to the site. I get to the entry control.

point and there's five people that are working there on duty. They're all together. I think they were all together when this happened because they had heard the patrol call and the weird light. So everybody kind of congregated at the entry control point to watch what was going on. And I talked to everybody. I got written statements. And what happened was they just like I said, they watched this thing acting weirdly. They couldn't really see any details. It's a strange glowing light, performing not like an aircraft, moving erratically. And then they said it just zoomed in. And as it approached, the light went out.

And then it just stopped and hovered at low altitude, very near the entry control point. And they said it was just so massive, it was hard to describe, at least 100 yards, but probably more, because it was this black, matte color. And it described it, again, as either like rectangular or possibly square, absolutely no noise. And they were all together observing it. And then it just shot off like a cannon and vatched. What is the time frame compared to the red square to the dark square? I mean, could it be the same object that had its lights off or something? It could be.

It absolutely could be. The time frame, as long as the observational period, I believe the initial red square event, they did observe it for, you know, 10 minutes or more. I think it was there for a while. But this one happened very quick. This all unfolded within a few, you know, minutes, and then they observed it for about 45 seconds, and then it was gone. But I mean, the red square happened when compared to the,

dark square. The red square was 8.45 in the morning. This was around midnight or, you know, so within the same like 12 or 14 hour period. Squares over Vanderberg. I mean, non-erodynamic. Do you think that they saw what they're calling the black, the matte black square-ish UAP that seems huge as well? Do you think that they saw that as a light when it was, its propulsion was active and it was coming towards it? Like, when did it go from a light to a black mat square?

As it was approaching. They described it as, as, it looked like it was getting bigger and the light was getting brighter as it came in. So it would kind of almost look like an aircraft on approach with like really bright approach lights on. But then as it got closer, the lights just went out. Wow. Was there also a landing? Yeah. in that same time period,

we know that the landing occurred sometime between October 14th and October 31st, because the direct eyewitness deployed to Iraq on Halloween night. And he's another close friend of mine. We worked together. I was his supervisor. And that particular night, he was on a security patrol located near the flight line. and him and his partner, same thing. They observe a strange, weird light over the western ocean.

They know this was weird because the flight line at the time was shut down. No aircraft inbound or outbound. And as police, we know that. We track aircraft coming in and where they're parked and things like that. So they knew the flight line was shut down and not active. All the runway lights were off. And they see a light, again, like just kind of out there over the ocean, very bright, kind of moving strangely. They observed it for some period of time.

And eventually they called it in over the net. They're like, we've got another weird light. It doesn't look like an aircraft. It's just kind of out there. And this kind of unfolded very rapidly, too. So it looked like it was getting closer, and it looked like it was dropping an altitude. and looked like it was an aircraft on approach. Now, we have incidents like that in the Air Force,

and it's called an unannounced aircraft arrival. And it's one of the most serious security events we can have in the Air Force. You cannot have unknowns approaching and landing on your base, right? So it looks like it's approaching. So they called in and be advised we have a possible unannounced aircraft arrival. So this triggers a massive response. People start to respond. And I was not on duty for this because my guy was actually assigned to another flight.

That's why he was on security. He was typically a law enforcement troop. But because of manpower and he was getting ready to deploy, he was backfilling another flight. So anyway, they call it in. People are responding. And as that's happening, it rapidly comes down. to the runway. They lose sight of it behind some trees.

There's a tree line between the witnesses in the flight line. They can only see this weirdish, whitish, blue light. They watch it drop below the tree line. So the trees are, you know, 30 or maybe 50 feet tall. And then it comes down and either hovered or landed directly on the flight line. And then according to my friend Grant, they called it in. He said, as soon it was there, it was good. gone. It just instantaneously shot into the sky and accelerated and vanished into the night sky.

So it was just there for like a flash. And by the time the security patrols arrived on scene, it was nothing there. So that case was different because while after they kind of wrapped up the incident and they took all the data, my buddy and his partner were approached by Air Force colonel. They came out to their post. They were still on duty. They came out to their truck and met with them and did kind of an impromptu, like, unofficial debriefing. He wanted to know what they saw.

He was interested in all the data. They told him, you know, what they could. They didn't really have any details. They never saw anything other than a light. Just this weird big light that landed. So that happened. And then either the next day or within a few days, my friend was called in and debriefing. and debriefed.

And that became very uncomfortable. He was made to feel uncomfortable. He felt like they were inferring that he did something wrong, that he probably shouldn't have called it in. So things got very sketchy. He was forced to sign documents. He can't quite remember, like if that was an NDA or it might have just been another statement, more detailed narrative. But it was very uncomfortable. and they basically sent him a message like, you know, you need to keep your mouth shut.

They put the screws on him. Yeah. And this guy is not easily intimidated, man. He grew up in Oklahoma. He's like a rancher. He used to go jogging during mortar attacks in Iraq. This guy is not rattled, dude. And he was rattled bad to the point where when that happened, he drove directly to my house, knocked to my door.

I was like, dude, I don't know what is. going on, but they scared the shit out of me. We're in trouble. So, yeah. So the, the attitude and the, everything changed after that landing, okay. And then we started to be more careful about who we're talking to. And then in 2005, you got lucky again at Vanderberg. You and two Air Force Police see something for yourselves.

What went down? So the whole thing, while I was out like investigating this talking to people, I knew. never got to see anything. I never saw the light. I never, and I was so bummed out because I'm like, this is literally happening in real time around me and I'm missing out, right? And so we think this happened around April. By this time, I'm the non-commissioned officer in charge of law enforcement. I'm in charge of the law enforcement program on the base. So we think it was around my birthday because I had a party. You know, all the flight, all my, you know, my buddies I work with were over at my house barbecuing, party wound down. And then around like midnight again, me and two of my

my good friends, Brandon and Phoenix, they were dating at the time now they're married. They've been married for like 20-something years. We're sitting in my backyard on the base in base housing. My wife at the time was asleep in the house. And we were just sitting around the campfire, you know, drinking beer. And we were talking about all the UFO stuff. Because Brandon's father had been in the Navy and had witnessed another insane event up in the Seattle area that it was all over the papers and things. So we were having this deep conversation about the phenomenon and everything. And Phoenix was distracted.

She kept looking over her shoulder and finally, you know, we're like, what are you doing? She's like, do you guys see that light? We're like, what, like? And we all stand up and I get away from the fire and I look and there's, it looks like a satellite, extreme altitude. And it looked just like a satellite. You know, it's tracking from west to east, very high altitude. But it was weird because it was pulsating in this very, like, sort of slow rhythmic way.

And the light was strange. It was kind of scintillating. And it was this whitish blue, this beautiful whitish blue color. So we watched it for a while and we're going through like, oh, that's satellite. Brand's like, dude, I don't know. Why is it? So we're going through the whole thing. Like, what is it? Why is it acting like that? And then it starts to maneuver strangely. It starts to like drop in altitude. And at one point, it looked like it was like fluttering around like a leaf. And we're all like, whoa, like what is going on? And eventually it gets lower and lower. And there

were points of time where it would like kind of wink out, we'd lose it. And right after one of the those times. And the sky was clear. We could see the stars. And eventually, like, it winked back in and it was right over the house. I estimated at the time, it was like

500 feet up. Phoenix said about 200, 250 feet. I estimated it in about 50 feet in diameter. She said about 30. But it was just huge, glowing, bluish, white, liquidy orc and it was just sitting there and we were just in complete awe, complete shock,

and then it, and then it like vanished. It just was gone. And I blinked a couple times. I looked at my friends and then I'm like, okay, just keep your eyes on the spot. And I did that. And for some reason my eyes were tracking this way and my body turned and then when it reappeared my eyes were right on it it had tracked i don't know like maybe a hundred yards and i was looking directly at it and it had gone up and it just sat there for a little bit um it wasn't pulsing anymore like it had been at high altitude And then I had this moment of like sheer primal terror. And this thought popped into my head. I'm like, oh, my God.

Like, did that, did it just abduct my wife? Is it going to abduct us? Like, what is going on? And I just took a breath. I calmed down. And I just, I'm like, don't look away. And we just watched it. And then it sort of gently accelerated, not like fast.

And it just. Kept climbing and it went like it would have been north sort of northeast. And we just watched it kind of gently accelerate, accelerate in climbing altitude until it became indistinguishable from the stars. And it was gone. And we were just like, what happened? So I ran into the house. I picked up my landline. I called the command center.

I'm like, hey, man, you know, I know this sounds like fucking crazy. But here's what just happened. And this is probably like midnight one in the morning. And I'm like, I know you don't want to do this, but I'm like, you need to wake some people up. You need to call the command post. You need to call the commander. You need to call. Make all the notifications.

Call me back. I want to know weather. I want to know balloons. I want to know radar on and all. So probably 15 or 20 minutes went by. You know, the guy's like, dude, like, you want me to call a commander, right? I'm like, wake him up. They did all that.

And they called back and they're like, dude, nothing on a. radar, nothing. We made all the notifications. I told him, cool, put in the blotter, put all the info me, Brandon Phoenix, type it up. When I come in in the morning, I'll write up a statement and put it, I'll write up a report and we'll log it. And I did all that the next day. And then I was in your house. It was right over my house. It was right over. So it's one thing to, as a military police officer to be responding to reports from other people, you see this yourself. You and your friends see this thing. Does it change how you view the topic in general? It changed like every aspect of my life. Like it was a life changing experience like on every fundamental level, man. Like I've

never stopped looking up. And that's when I really, I was always interested in UFOs and stuff because my grandmother's case. And I didn't mention my dad actually saw the Kexburg Fireball from Kexburg, Pennsylvania. I grew up in a coal mining town about 30 or 40 miles from Kexpo. My dad was a cool miner. And when he was young, he saw that fireball come in and he heard the boom, you know, the crash or the sonic boom or whatever happened. But he, you know, and that turned into, like, that's the Roswell of Pennsylvania.

So you're a third generation UFO with this. Yeah. And so I was always interested. But then it happened and I'm like, you know, then I got really interested. That's when I really started, you know, digging into old cases and trying to piece together. Like what the, what is it? Why did it come?

Was it a coincidence that we were talking about it? And all that. And over the years, I'm like, there are no coincidences, man. I don't know. But it came and said hello. That's amazing. I mean, so look, the seekers, the finder, it's a person looking for it. I noticed that on Navy ships as well. It's not the people in the bunks that don't care. It's the people looking out to look for these things that actually see them. The seekers, the finder a lot of the time.

So look, you've, Jeff, you've testified to Congress and to Arrow. You're helping vets speak out. What's the one thing you want the weaponized listeners to take away from your testimony today? So I've, it was hard for me to come out, man. Like, prior to going on merge, I had no social media. You know, I'm a very private person. And it was hard for me to do that. And I was able to do that because my, when it came out in the hearing,

I had not talked to any of those guys did witness this stuff. And then it just came out and I was not expecting it. So I had to call my buddies and tell them, dude, I got us into some shit here. But I was able to go on merged and do all that because I knew they had my back. And I knew like if the whole world turned on me, you know, they've gotten. So I did all of it because over the years I knew this stuff was real. And I knew that military people were encountering UFOs and weird stuff.

And I would see the debunkers and the skeptics. And I would hear the, you know, X-Files music. on TV and I would get angry. And I'm like, people don't know this is happening. It has a profound impact. And sometimes a very negative impact on people's lives. It had a good impact on my life. But I know people that have had experiences,

it did not go well. And that would make me angry. And I knew I had evidence and I knew that I could do something about it. I just didn't know where to go and who to trust. So the message is the tide has changed. changed. And I encourage people with or without evidence to join the fight and bring it out. And, you know, like I mentioned to you guys, my good friend Scott Garron, he is a legendary Air Force special operator. He is the real deal. You know, he was on the first helicopter going into Iraq, running around with Navy SEAL Team 6 doing all the stuff back into the

and he captured some of the most phenomenal UFO video and photographs I have ever seen. He's published two books with the photos. He is beyond credible. I mean, he's a legend. And nobody gives a damn about his story. And he's been trying to get this out for years on his own. So now, you know, I'm helping him. He's helping me.

We're helping a bunch of other vets that have. been trying to like muddle through this on their own for for years or decades. So I want people to know that there is help. You know, there's people like you and George, they can contact. There's Ryan Graves and his team. There's people like me and Scott Garron that can help you. You don't have to go public. Some people just need to get it off their chest, man.

So that's my message. Like if you've had an experience and you, want to talk about it, please do, because there's strength in numbers, you know, and the government's playing the same old games. We had these drones flying 200 feet over our house in New Jersey. All of our neighbors know about it. They know they're not drones. And the government continues. Of course, you've worked at sensitive places. You've been around sensitive projects. Is there any chance that our military has gigantic red glowing spheres stashed in a hundred yard hangar somewhere or any of the drone technology that people have been reporting not only in

New Jersey but over Langley, over Plant 42 in the Mojave Desert, over UK bases. Is that stuff ours as far as you know? Any of that? I don't know. But if it is, they need to stop and they need to share it. Because that's beyond next generation technology. That is world changing history changing technology. And if they've got that, it's time to stop with the military application of it.

And let civilian scientists in the public know whatever it is they've developed. But it could be. But the thing I saw, it never entered my mind that that might be human technology. Never. Now, some of the other things, I'm totally open to that. Like I've heard lots of credible people that have told me that they, that we do have technology like that. And so it could be.

But if the government is flying that type of technology 200 feet over my children, they need to quit. You know, I don't know why they think that's okay. Right. And so that's the big question. Have we reverse engineered any of this technology? But even if we have, these experiences seem so personal like this, huge sphere over your house, like the, you know, cubes that came over Van derbyr.

Air Force Base, those are uncontrolled flights. I mean, they're not told, people aren't told that that's happening. So no matter who is operating these units or these vehicles, even if we've reverse engineered stuff, these are, this is a dangerous game that's being played. And as you said, it could also change the world. It's so dangerous. It's unbelievable. None of my friends fired on it. Thank you. Okay. But, we're trained to do that. Like you don't allow a unknown helicopter to come over a restricted area.

We will shoot it down. Back in the day when I was in, my friends were Stinger missile qualified. We had Stinger missiles, man. So it's dangerous. If the government is doing this, if they're flying over Langley and Lake and Heath and Bannaburg and the ranges and they're almost hitting F-18s off the coast of

you know, San Diego and they need to quit. Like, what are they doing? They're going to get somebody killed. One of the theories that was shared with me by some people who work for intelligence agencies, oh, yeah, these are security tests, like Plant 42 in the Mojave Desert near Palmdale, very sensitive technology being developed there, including our advanced drone technology, B-21. They had these incursions last year over and over again by these unknown drones. I'm using air quotes around it.

And what was explained to me is, oh, yeah, that's probably a security test. never admit it was a security test, but they want to see how personnel and systems react. You know, we've heard the same kind of explanation at ICBM bases and missile silos, things of that sort. What do you make of that? It's nonsense. Because fine, if it's a test, what if something goes wrong and it crashes into a nuclear facility, into a flight line, into a church, okay? So when we do, and like Dave Fravers, we have ranges for that, right? They own like Nevada, like do it there. And the other thing, like, and I conducted exercises on my people to prepare them and trained, and people would do that to me.

We would initiate the exercise, you know, be advised an alarm has been triggered on the fence line of this restricted area. We would immediately initiate the exercise because I'm out there shaking the fence. I don't want my guys to shoot me and kill me because they don't know. So this whole narrative is nonsense. And if that is true, somebody needs to be held accountable because it's outrageous, it's dangerous. And I mean, they're freaking everybody out. Some of my neighbors here in Jersey were freaked out, like they were like affected. Because I said like over the neighborhood, these things were flying two, 300 feet.

We're hovering over our homes. and they were making absolutely no noise and they're flashing these weird and they have kids and are like what is going on you know I was born in New Jersey and there are some similarities

from Jersey parts of Jersey to Nevada where I live now I'm amazed that somebody in New Jersey didn't get out of gun and shoot at these things at these drones I mean maybe they did and they just didn't have any effect yeah could be and eventually that will happen eventually that if that's what's going on somebody's going to take a pop Sean yeah well i want to

thank you jeff for talking with us maybe this is the first of a couple times we'll talk with you i appreciate you kind of putting yourself out there and i really appreciate you you know providing the you know evidence and letting us put it out i mean this security forces blotter everybody asks for video and we've done that recently and we're going to do it again but also just having this documentation that you obtained and are putting out. So thanks for making that part of the public record and not just to Congress and error. I appreciate. So you're running out of closet space. The good news, you don't need to stop shopping. You just need to start selling with the Real Real. The Real Real Real is the world's largest and most trusted resource for authenticated luxury resale.

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Back then, you know, cell phones were not with water. We had phones. And when we worked in restricted areas, like we're not allowed to like video. anything. The base had incredible capabilities in multiple domains. So I am quite certain that the Air Force and there were other agencies operating on Vanderberg with capabilities that I'm aware of that I saw like on operations, like they can see whatever they want to almost anywhere.

So I am sure they have data, video and all kind of different kind of imaging. I have no confidence that we will ever see that. I have one other question then maybe Jeremy wants to wrap, but I'm wondering your experience in Congress. So you did what you're supposed to do and talk to folks. Are you confident that Congress is going to be able to get to the bottom of this? I mean, we know some of those people. They're very committed to it.

But it seems like they're hamstrung in some ways that people more powerful than Congress don't want this coming out. You know, I've been cautiously optimistic for the last few years. I'm losing confidence in Congress. If they can't even get a briefing, if they can't even get David Grush into a skiff, if they can't get the intelligence community or the DOD to answer simple questions, we're in big trouble, man.

I mean, this played out not to get political, but like when I was watching the FBI and the Secret Service, testify after the Trump assassination attempt those agency heads were telling Congress like we don't have to tell you nothing and now I didn't even bother preparing for this hearing so Congress needs to grow some teeth or the mystery drones you know

FAA says we don't know what they are FBI says we don't know what they are and then a couple weeks later FAA says oh yeah that's right we authorized research drones No, see, they never said that as the White House has said that. And you guys, like, if we were, if it was ours, it was in our purview, we didn't know. So that's what's so interesting. It's like a game of telephone. Well, listen, Jeff, you know, maybe we have a long way to go, but each step is important.

I do believe that journalism and bringing the best evidence forward that we have at any given time and new whistleblowers. And you can call them whistleblowers or you can just say witnesses, people that are doing what they've been told to do, come forward with the information. So I think the journalism is the path forward. I'm not relying on anybody else, but me and George Knapp and other people in the journalism field to kick the doors down. Thanks so much, Jeff. Thanks, Jeff. And thank you guys. It was a pleasure meeting you both in person, man.

You guys are like heroes of mine. And I appreciate everything you're doing. And out to all the other podcasters, the way I see it, you guys are the front line troops in this fight for history. So let's get after it. It's go, no UFO, man. Let's go.