WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Phantom Buzz - Europe's Skies Hijacked by Shadow Drones

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Nearly a year ago, mysterious drones of unknown origin began buzzing military bases and other sensitive sites, mostly in the eastern U.S. They swooped in out of nowhere, hovered and maneuvered over airfields, didn't try to hide their presence, and could not be tracked when they abruptly departed. Entire U.S. bases were shut down, including Langley and Wright-Patterson AFB. Similar incursions were reported at joint bases in the UK, where personnel deployed advanced anti-drone tech - with no effect. Now, several European countries are experiencing similarly troubling incursions. In recent weeks, mystery drones have caused fear and confusion in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, and Belgium. Governments suspect the drones are being controlled by Russia, though there isn't a shred of evidence to prove that, and these drones cannot be tracked or brought down. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George are joined by British journalist Chris Sharp, editor and founder of the Liberation Times, whose insightful coverage of the mystery drones over the past year is among the best in the world. Chris shares new information about the most recent incursions, has insight about attempts to track and disable the mystery drones, and speculates about why the drone invasions might be a measured response by earthly forces, payback for something that was initiated by NATO allies. Also in this episode, additional information about a gigantic black triangle spotted hovering over a runway at Eglin Air Force Base, as described by an eyewitness in a previous episode. Check out Chris Sharp’s publication https://LiberationTimes.com GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Four airports in Denmark last night when drones appeared in their airspace, flights were grounded. It's extraordinary to see how many headlines these incidents have actually generated and going to Copenhagen Airport. And there being special forces and police present at the scene. You'd assume it's Russians doing that stuff. And so the assumption has made all these other European countries that have drones flight over. must be Russians and yet you know we see what the Russians are stretched pretty thin they're using drones in in Ukraine and they can't seem to buy them and make them fast enough they're getting them from all over the world and those drones don't seem to be doing what

these drones are doing they did whip out the most advanced anti-drone technology we have and had no effect correct yeah yeah that's very very accurate we got word from reliable sources that there was footage of a pyramid-shaped object lifting up out of the bay and hovering and loitering over this critical infrastructure. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, hanging out in temperate

and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm telling you, October is the nicest time of the year to be here. I am joined by my friend and colleague, Jeremy Corbell, who is keeping a low profile somewhere on the West Coast. Jeremy, how's it going? Pretty good, man. Yeah, just hiding out. Trying not to talk too much. I'm trying to listen more. I see that you listen to my suggested dress code, right?

Yeah, yeah, suit and tie. That's right. As always. We got a lot to cover today. We're going to go check in with our friend Christopher Sharp. Talk about Dronapalooza. But first, I want to revisit something that we touched on last week at great interview with your friend Daniel about something that was seen, gigantic triangle, hovering right over runway at Eglin Air Force Base. You have an update on that. Yeah. Just, you know, look, Daniel was a great witness. He went through the entire process of vetting with Congress. And he has a very small experience in that he just saw something. But it gave me a lot of hope because if what he saw is something we were operating, then maybe we do have some control over this really extraordinary technology. I don't know what to make of it, but I thought bringing him out,

on weaponized was important because he didn't testify to Congress. And it wasn't like he was waiting to come out on weaponized. He literally couldn't do it. The weekend Congress had him. He was willing to do it. He couldn't do it. He was, I don't know,

give away too much, but it was a very positive thing in his life that he was doing on that, on that time period. So I just thought, let's bring him out. Now, what's happened since then? Since then is that people have come and said,

we also saw this extraordinary technology, camp rudder, Eglin Air Force Base. They're not willing to go on record at this time. And, you know, I'm trying. Yes, I'm trying to get them to come forward. So it was just kind of neat to hear a little bit more about people that have seen this extraordinary triangular-shaped technology that doesn't seem to lift with air displacement or jets or anything like that. Now, I don't know, I don't have anything else to report on that other than I think I've been able to, with Daniel, to identify exactly where he was when he saw this.

And that was kind of cool. So I created an image. I don't know for sure. I want to, you know, there's still a lot I got to do to make sure. But this is at Eglin Air Force Base Camp Rutter. There's a troop medical clinic number eight. So they call it the TMC. And I went back, you know, in the historic records and found in 2006 that there was this one medical building.

And it hasn't changed in 20 years, interestingly enough. So this has to be. building that he was being treated at. And then, you know, he had said there looked like there was an open field and tree tops. There's only one place without a lot of buildings in sight where you'd have this view. And I showed it to him. He's like, damn, that's got to be it. So preliminary results. But, and it was because you asked me, George, you wanted to see this, you know, what was he looking at? So it's really cool. When you go into Google Maps, you can kind of go back in time. And it really hasn't changed. But I think we found where he saw it. Now, again, the size of the craft,

He's doing a guesstimate. I really pushed him for a guesstimate of the size of craft. The distance from him, it's a guesstimate. This was 19 years ago. But the angle of vision, I think we nailed it. So it's the TMZ Medical Clinic 8, Camp Rudder, and it's going right out to where this field and the tree tops. So let me put this image up,

and you can kind of see his angle of vision and what he was looking at, this huge black, silent triangle. And again, you're not carving this in stone. This is based on the best available information. This is where you think it is based on what he told you and maps of what the base looked like a long time ago. Yeah, we're getting medical records from 19 years ago. It's like, you know, to make sure this is the spot. But it is the only spot that was treating Army Rangers for things like parachute jumps where they like hurt themselves.

I mean, this was the spot. It's been the spot for 20 years. I'm pretty confident. But yeah, I always have the option of reforming my opinion if I find later it's, it's, It's pretty awesome if those other two witnesses are willing to speak to us, even if we have to block out their identity. Yeah, I, you know, I'm pushing for it. A lot of people don't want to come forward because they feel like, well, if this is some secret tech, you know, we want to keep a secret. National Security, I totally understand that.

But nobody signed NDAs or anything like that. So I think we'll get them. I think we'll get them. Segway here to something else. Of course, today we kind of have a return of Dronokalooza. Yeah. I recall from last year, drones everywhere over key installations. They shut down Langley Air Force Base. They shut down Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. They were seen for several weeks by hundreds of thousands of people over New Jersey, over a nuclear plant, over sensitive military installations. They were out here in the southwest, over Plant 42. And the same thing happened in almost all these cases. They'd come in out of nowhere, undetected. They'd loiter around, making themselves obvious. The lights are on. Nobody knew where they're from. They would leave and could not be tracked. None of them were shot down. We don't know who was behind them or what was going on.

And now the same thing has been happening, a year, almost a year later, across Europe. You know, you'll recall there were several, a couple of UK military bases, joint bases, that were overflown by these drones. I think we were told by our friend Chris Sharp that there were attempts to bring them down with the best anti-dron technology. Poof, did nothing. Now they've been making a nuisance of themselves over several European countries, and you have to wonder who's behind it. What's going on? Where these things are from? We have exactly the right guy to answer those questions, right? Yeah, our man in the UK, as you said, Chris Sharp, he's always been on this kind of stuff. I am excited. He has Liberation Times. He's got some great articles. He's really been dogged about the UAP thing, but also about the national security implications of what we're calling, you know, drones at this time.

So he just knows far more than I do about this. And he's always come on this show and given us great information. I love his articles. Everybody should go check out Liberation Times. But yeah, Chris Sharp. Let's bring him on. Looking sharp, Chris Sharp. What's going on, man?

So I took George's advice from last week. I thought we were all going to be in suits. I thought we were coordinating this. Obviously, someone didn't get the memo. Hey, George. Look how good that guy looks, Jeremy. Why can you not do that? Chris is great, man.

He's handsome, man. I can never live up to it. Looking great, Chris. Chris is great to see. We've been following your reporting, as always, excellent work. The thing that's different this time is you were kind of the lone ranger reporting on this before. And in the last couple of months, we've seen a lot of media interest across Western Europe, other news organizations who've covered this as well.

Must be nice to have some company this time, huh? Yes, it's extraordinary. to see how many headlines these incidents have actually generated and to see all the open source intelligence X accounts covering it as well. So it's great to get lots of information coming in and just trying to find all the patterns from the other previous events that we've been covering. So yeah, it has been excellent.

And you give us the big picture. When this current wave of drone sighting started, where they've been seen. Jeremy, unless you want to start another way. No, that sounds great. I want to hear the basics for me, Chris. Yeah, sure.

So it began late September. I think it was around the, it was the 22nd September when Copenhagen Airport was closed down for hours because drones had been spotted and it was interfering with flights. They closed it down.

And one of my first, friends, Martin, was at the scene. He was actually drinking in a bar, I believe, when he heard about the instance and the fact that Copenhagen Airport was shut down. He was like, I'm going there and he took a taxi. So we got like a real first-hand insight about how tense the situation was. And he describes going to Copenhagen Airport and there being special forces and police present at the scene. And it was very, very tense. They told him to get away, get out and he didn't. He just covered it. Brilliant.

Very, very good reporter, I think he would make. And yeah, so that was the first night. And from our understanding, nothing was taken down that night. And they were not able to confirm where these drones originated from, who was controlling them. And from my understanding, based on all the other events as well, it seems as though the detection systems, or both the detection systems and the jamming systems may have failed. So that was the first night and then they branch out over military installations, critical infrastructure in Denmark, France, Belgium, Germany.

So this is a Europe-wide kind of event happening, a series of events happening. They also closed down Munich Airport as well. So unlike the other drone events I'd been covering, it seems this really had a big impact on civilian infrastructure, such as airports, which is kind of new from what I'd previously been following because it's usually always been military installations. And the backdrop, I guess, here is the fact that Europe is in a very,

very tense situation at a moment with Russian aggression. We know that Russians have flown drones into Polish airspace and other native countries. And, you know, I think the difference with those is that we know they've come from Russia. They've been able to have been tracked. However, with these incidents, we don't know where they've come from, like the previous ones I've been covering. I go far back as far as 2019 with the case that you both covered in terms of the West Coast incidents. You know, we don't know who the controller are. We don't know where the origin is from.

We don't have any answers, unfortunately. And another parallel with that case that you covered in 2019, with the case that, you know, we've seen now over Europe is the fact that they thought that they could actually pin it down to a, they call it a shadow fleet, I believe. So the Chinese have a shadow fleet of cargo ships, and so do the Russians. So in 2019, they fought the drones swarming around US warships came from the Bastrate, which is a Hong Kong registered cargo ship.

They searched it as we knew, as we know. They had eyes on it. Nothing came from that ship. And then, you know, with these events, they thought they were coming from a Russian, well, I think it was registered under another country. But it was linked to the Russian Shadow Fleet. They searched that fleet, the French military search that ship, and nothing was found. So again, we're just left in position that we have no idea as the public where these things have come from and why they can't take them down. It's pretty crazy and I certainly can't explain it.

Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals because we're built for what you're building. fit for your ambition for citizens back yeah the 2019 events to this day they don't know where they were launched from they don't know where they landed and this is what really kind of made that crossover between uap and what we're calling drone or unmanned aerial vehicle you know these objects were there without wings without rotors you saw that in the thermal image that's kind of gone around now that george and i put out you know you're not seeing the normal displacement of air or heat. The whole Bass Strait thing was ridiculous to me. That was pushed forward as like, oh,

absolutely. If you look on Wikipedia, it came from the Bass Strait. Our own government said that we went and looked at the Bass Strait. George and I got somebody, his sole task was to watch the Bass Strait to see if anything landed and launched. And he said, on our show, I wish I could report to you that it did. It would explain a lot. Nothing came from the Bass Strait. But the typical, like, Wikipedia thing is that they were launched and landed from Bastrate, it is untrue. It is false. It is not true. And so we're kind of stuck with this idea of who's the operator of these units. And the people involved in 2019, they still want answers. I'm not talking to people in every agency that I could list. And they do not know where these units came from in 2019. And if you're saying that's the same now, same now in Europe, this is something that is, it's changed warfare. It's changed. Whoever this is from, this is changed. the whole dynamic of the theater of war.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You've only got to look at the battlefields in the Ukraine and Russia and about how drones are really changing everything and they can result in mass casualties. And we did have a proposal, I believe, at the beginning of the year from Lou Elizondo about having a component within the National Security Council so that it would be a sole purpose of a unit within there

to actually distinguish what is UAP versus what are drones. And unfortunately, that proposal was never taken up. But I do think that they do know more than us within the intelligence circles. And, you know, what I'd like to do is, you know, in terms of having answers, I admit, I don't have answers. I have guesses. You know, I'm thinking about your previous witnesses that you've had on. and I'm thinking about Matthew Libelsberger, the Green Beret, who blew himself up within a cyber truck outside the Trump Hotel in January this year, claiming that, you know, we've heard it from our sources that there is an arms race in terms of exploiting UAP technology.

The question is, if there is an arms race between Russia, China, the USA, how far have they made, how much progress they made in terms of exploiting that and who's ahead when it comes to kind of exploiting? it to its full potential. And we've had Matthew Littlesburg basically claimed that these things that was spotted over the US in December, we had the New Jersey instance as well, remember, that they were advanced Chinese anti-gravitic tech which could carry out an unlimited payload. And it was basically a checkmate situation. So, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly interesting. Just looking at the cases from 2019 that you covered and the case over Langley Air Force based, the case over Lake and Heath in these latest cases in terms of why can't we take them down? Where are they originating from?

Why are these things so spooky? You know, what is it that they're hiding? Why can't they just simply shoot them down? So we have a lot of unanswered questions. But I do think that there is one organization within the CIA, which may have a very good idea. And I do know that they do deal with the UAP phenomenon as well. And they liaise with the arrow and they liaise the UAPTF from my understanding as well. And that is the it's the WPMC, WCPMC, which is the CIA's weapons and counterproliferation mission center.

Yeah, it's a real mouthful that is. And within that, it's got an air warfare analysis branch and air defense analysis branch. So they basically, they get information, they can get information from NAC. They can get information from no such agency, the NSA. They can get information from, they can get it from the NRO. So they get a variety of projects, DIA as well. And they'll use the intelligence community and they'll use the human intelligence. and all their other information they've got feeding into them,

and they'll make an analysis about the origin of where these things may come from, whether it be drones or whether it be UAP. I feel like this is the main kind of place that we should be looking at in terms of asking the question in terms of not only the events happening over Denmark and other places around the world, but also over the US as well, because if it is determined or if it is thought that these things originate from a foreign actor, the CIA would get involved, working with another agency if it's on US territory. So I think that's who we should be looking at for answers,

because it would be their job to kind of make the analysis and then determine where they're actually coming from. I know, you know, we know that they've got satellites looking at the whole, the globe, basically, that they can see this stuff. And they should be able to pinpoint a, um, a lot. launch and point and you know where these things are actually going from as well. And I think that one of the core things that is happening at the moment is that China, Russia, the USA, there is hot warfare from my understanding, but just in places where we can't see, like in space,

where they're knocking satellites out. And I think that there is kind of like a secret kind of like war going on. it's hybrid warfare, and I feel this is part of it. And like with Havana syndrome, the US doesn't want to admit that it might be Russian, it might be Chinese. I mean, that's my best guess in terms of who's actually dealing with this issue and where the origin might be, because they seem to be obsessed with places that Russia or China may be interested in. So those are my thoughts on it anyhow.

Well, you see the, you know, you were mentioning the ones that started toward the end of September. In early September, there were other incursions that were assumed to be Russians, the Poland, where they're testing the defenses in Poland, and then Latvia, at Estonia. And you can see why you'd assume it's Russians doing that stuff. And so the assumption has made all these other European countries that have drones flying over, it must be Russians. And yet, you know, we see the Russians are stretched pretty thin. they're using drones in

Ukraine and they can't seem to buy them and make them fast enough. They're getting them from all over the world and those drones don't seem to be doing what these drones are doing. We're shooting them down. The Ukrainians are shooting them down. These, you know, we see the Germans have now and the Danes have referred to them as surveillance technology,

assuming that it's some other country that's flying them. But again, and the Germans have said, we're going to start shooting them down. They haven't shot any down, right? It reminds us of what happened in the UK, the stories that you covered, where they did whip out the most advanced anti-drone technology we have and had no effect, correct? Yeah, yeah, that's very, very accurate.

They had two COBRA meetings as well, which is kind of like the emergency meetings that they have at 10 Downing Street, involved in the prime minister. This was taking really, really seriously because they were very, very, they seemed helpless. If these things had a payload, if these things turned out to be, you know, lethal and they had, you know, they wanted to cause damage, they could have. They could have. And, you know, we've been covering what's been, we've been looking about what's been going on in the war. And I believe that another one of the fears is that these things may have a payload. If you return to sender, they may have been pre-coordinated to actually go to the, to the airfield. on somewhere that's critical and in explode. I never thought about that.

I'm sorry, civilian airports. I mean, if they're surveillance platforms, what would be the point of Russia, which is stretched pretty thin, sending precious drones to fly over Danish or German civilian airports to do surveillance? And they're not exactly hiding it. I mean, they're flying at night with lights on.

It seems more of a provocation than surveillance. I want to know what's, I say I don't my mind takes me to to Havana syndrome again because you think if the Russians are doing this to intelligent staff, that's a provocation. That can cause a war. And I think there was some speculation is that if the CIA or the intelligence committee admitted it was Russian, it would then take us that much closer to war. That was one of the reasons given. One of the other reasons given was that perhaps the US. the UK maybe are doing the same thing to Russia as well.

And once you kind of admit the Russians are doing, then you have to admit you've got this technology and you know what's going on and you're using it yourself. And the thing it makes me think about as well is I'm thinking about emaculate constellation and the documentation you were given. You know, we saw that on two occasions, I believe, Russian intelligence ships were seen kind of like

one day viewing with triangular craft. I think there's all points to the fact that Russia, or speculation that Russia does know a lot when it comes to advanced tech. Either it possesses such tech, or it is in some kind of communication with another kind of like form of intelligence, perhaps. You think we could take them down if we wanted to take them down? Senator Gillibrand inserted something in the national defense bill saying that military bases can now take them down if they fly over them.

Can we take them down if we wanted to? If we're talking about what Matthew Littlesberger is speculating that these things may be like anti-gravitic or something like that, then that suggests that they've got a power source, which generates a lot of power. And if you were to shoot something like that down from the sky, what would be the impact? We know that the US was toying with potentially having,

nuclear like bombers, like generated, nuclear-powered bombers after World War II, but it was deemed as too dangerous. You can have nuclear-generated kind of, or nuclear-powered submarines, aircraft arrows, but you can't do that with aircraft. I believe the Russians have a nuclear

fueled rocket with unlimited range, but why don't they have those for aircraft as well? that maybe they are using some kind of nuclear device. And if you did take them down, it would cause a very, very nasty incident, which could endanger a lot of lives. This is the thing. This is the thing about why don't we know? Because as well, you have to figure that why are these things flying with lights on?

If they were Russian, they were caught in the act that they were shot down, and we were able to occur about ascertain. They were Russian. Again, it would cause a big international incident. it would cause embarrassment for Russia. We've caught you look, you know, similar to what happened with the Chinese blue. It was a major embarrassment for the Chinese. And it could happen with Russia as well.

But with the current tensions, it could potentially force the US and NATO into a war. But again, George, you've got a question. Why are they not utilised in this technology in Ukraine at the moment, where they could really do with it? And at the moment, they're getting drones from China, getting drones from Iran and all sorts of countries, anywhere they can. So these are the difficult questions. But, you know, like I know, like I know,

that there is, like in the US as well, you've got kind of like the shadowy world of the classified where they've got probably very, very advanced weaponry. And then you've got what you see in the unclassified world. one of the most advanced tech that the US has is, you know, the stealth jets. So you've kind of got to think how about how those worlds are managed on the public stage when it comes to conflict. If Russia did have some really advanced technology and it started using it over Ukraine and the world was to report on such technology being utilized,

then obviously it puts the US in a really bad situation with nothing to counter. that technology. Well, wow, Russia is ahead of the US when it comes to technology. Now, Russia has a triangular craft that can kind of like hover on its own and generate its own power. It's like, this is crazy. How would the US react to that? If that did come out, well, the US, if it did have such technology, would have to show its own hand and say, well, actually, we do have this technology. And again, that might might have its own impact. So we have to go down all these past. And I know it's horrible not knowing the answers. I really don't like a lot of the open source intelligence accounts that think they do know the answers about where these

things are coming from and they do know what they are like i'm happy to admit this is all speculation on my part i really don't have any good evidence to show where they're coming from but we can have a look at the patterns can't we of behavior when it comes to these things um and it all seems to have a lot in common you know they're very very brazen their behavior they show their lights they're not able to be taken down can't be tracked we don't know how they're control controlled. It's very, very bizarre. It's a big payday coming for defense contractors.

Chris, like you and Jeremy, I subscribed all these defense newsletters about contracts and defense contractors and what they're up to. And every single day, there's a new article about a big, fat contract being given to somebody to develop a new system of anti-drone tech. There was something that was on Twitter a couple of days ago. and it's a giant cannon. It looks like a cannon that would be on the Death Star. Boom, boom, boom, shooting at the rebel craft

and is supposedly capable of knocking down a dozen drones at a shot. I can't wait until that gets out there, and let's see what it can do, you know? But it's a big payday for big fat defense contractors, as everything is. One, two, a one, two, three, four. Give me a break, give me a break, break me off a piece of that, get me a break,

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Like, what is the implication shooting them down? So all of a sudden you have like some nuclear, reactor that's hit the ground. Do you think that's part of the problem with why things can't just be shot at out the sky? Potentially. Potentially, yeah. This is the whole problem when it comes to this. All these activities are clandestine. The US may be doing it within Russia and China, and then likewise, we may be doing it to them. And the trouble is with Russia media and Chinese media, you know, we're dealing with authoritarian stasis. We may not perhaps hear about stories about incursions over their military bases as we do our military bases.

So I do think that is potentially one of the problems in terms of the nuclear reactors and nuclear material kind of causing a major incident. And, you know, I go back to the Immaculate Contellation document that was presented by Matthew Brown again. these things do seem to be rendezvousing with with Russian, I think a Chinese ship perhaps as well within the Atlantic and the Pacific. And I have no reason to believe that's not true. But again, you have to think, you know,

at the very least, Russia and China realize that this technology does exist. And I'd be very, very surprised if the technology hasn't been exploited in some way or another. Again, we're dealing with the classified world here, you know. We're having a unclassified conversation when it comes to this whole topic of these drones, but there's also classified conversations happening in skiffs as well, with people who are read into, you know, saps and caps. And that's the really, and we know how serious they treat the security when it comes

to even have in a conversation when it comes to classified materials. And that's the thing that I really, really dislike most about this whole thing because I'm pretty sure that they know a lot more about the nature of these drones than we do within the intergent's world. I'll just say this. Jeremy, I don't know what the weaponized budget is like. I don't, you know, I've had more than enough travel to last me the rest of my life. But if we need to go to Copenhagen, I'm willing to go and spend some time on the ground there. And Sweden and Norway as well. I mean, I'll make that sacrifice.

Be awesome, man. You got a lot of balance in Denmark, by the way. I just want to mention it. I went to Copenhagen like two years ago. I mean, you're both celebrities there, you know? I wouldn't be surprised if they're a mural of you both for buildings and companies. I was there some years ago at an invitation and this loved it. Just absolutely loved it.

You got to watch out for the bicycle mom. when you're walking down the street there in Copenhagen, but everything else was fabulous. So, you know, willing to go. Yeah, a lot of people have been asking me lately, like there's some journalists looking into the UFO topic and even some agency people, you know, just asking, do I believe that we have reverse engineered any of this technology? I just curious, George, after all this time you've looked at this, I know we all hope that we have. And I know a lot of the stories that you've broken, the indications are, that we have reverse engineered some of this technology. But if you bottom-lined it, George, do you think we have any operational craft

that display this kind of technology? I really don't know. I mean, I don't think it requires non-human intelligence to build the kind of drone things, UAS, UAB systems that we're seeing. We just don't know how they work right now out here in the unclassified world. I don't think that requires alien tech to build something like that. But maybe, you know, maybe it is. I mean, what we've all heard from our sources is that we haven't made much progress in reverse engineering this stuff.

With the one exception of the Russians who had had some success with a beam weapon, I don't think it's operational. At least it wasn't the last time I had heard, but they did do some testing on something that they got from a crash site. I have no indication that we've got a sport model that we have built and are operating out there. then again we just heard an amazing story in the previous episode of Weaponized of something at Eglin years ago that if it's not ours we're certainly in league with it it was sitting there and with all of our personnel us personnel around it seemed to be some kind of a cooperation you ought on there so you know I don't know George and Jeremy would we be correct in terms of reverse engineering and roles that each agency might have

that it would be the DOE or Patel that would be in charge of propulsion systems and power sources. So if something like that did, something like that, if that had been reverse engineered, it wouldn't necessarily come from the DOD. That would make sense, sure, particular aspects of the technology that you just described. It would make sense to be a DOE.

And also from a practical standpoint, it's a lot harder to get information out of DOE or extra layers of secrecy, even compared to DoD or DOW now. Yeah, all these people that have come to us, it's not like one person, it's not like two people, it's not like within the last, you know, a couple months. This is for George, like 40 years,

you know, people have been coming to a journalist and saying, we have craft of unknown origin, technology of unknown origin. And we are trying to reverse engineer that technology. Maybe it started for George with Lazar, but you had Dr. Lekatsky come on our show, and say that we breached a hole of a technology of unknown origin, no wings, no rotors, no tail, no fuel, no, no even fuel that they could see. I don't know how you'd reverse engineer that, but it's not like one person that's come forward.

There are people that said these are from archaeological digs, at least some of the power sources, if not the full craft. You know, we'd have to dismiss everybody that's come, you know, to me and George, George, for 40 years to say, look, there's nothing to see here and move on. I buy it. I buy it that there is a technology far more advanced that we didn't make and that we've been trying. I buy it. I can't prove it today. I definitively prove it today. It's not really my job maybe. But I can't dismiss all the people that have come forward to us in different capacity to give us this base narrative, this base understanding. And I don't think they were tricked. I don't think that this is some big sci-op and everybody's in honor. except for me and George and you. I don't buy that. So I don't know what the truth is, but it's got to be somewhere in the middle there. You know, Dr. Likatsky is pretty well connected.

He's been at this a long time. He's pretty deep on the inside. He shared like two sentences that he was cleared to say. We've breached the hull. We've been inside. That doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence that we figured out how it works, that we, ooh, we finally managed to get inside.

It doesn't sound like we're flying it around and go to 7-Eleven. pickups a six-pack, you know. So we'll have to get him back here, Jeremy, pretty soon. I would love that. I would love that. He just wrote a new book. You know, it's a guy, we squeeze them.

Maybe we'll get more good information. I don't know. I'd be great to have them on again. Chris, thanks very much for your time. Anything else to add to this? I mean, you do still leave room in your conspiratorial scenario for good old-fashioned, non-human intelligence stuff floating around out there, not just advanced craft that the Russians, Chinese, and Americans don't want to tell the public about it.

Yeah, yeah. Well, Marik from Renenkamp and I talk quite frequently about this, and he'll point to similar kind of incursions over US Air Force bases going decades back, I think, in 1960s, 1970s, before you had this kind of drone technology that we do have now. So I think that's definitely worth noting. And I am aware of incidents over New Jersey where it doesn't seem to me, we are dealing with droves at all as well. So, I mean, we can't always treat it as a black and white situation. Reality is much more nuanced with many layers. And I'd also point out as well that I just find it very, very bizarre with To the Stars Academy. Their whole big thing when they

first came out was about actually producing a kind of anti-gravity craft of their own. That was the prime aspect about what they were all about. And you had Steve Justice, you had Chris Mellon, and among many, many others who signed up to that and put their name behind TTSA. I've been trying to get in touch of TTSA to ask them about that. I've got no comment at all from them. So I just think that's very interesting. If the technology didn't exist, why would someone like Steve Justice and all the others involved to Tudor Stars Academy put their names behind that project if the technology didn't exist? And if the technology did exist, why would you do so via Tom DeLonjean to the Stars Academy?

instead of classifying that text right away and creating it under, you know, Lockheed Martin buried under deep secrecy. I don't understand that either. Good point. All right, Chris Sharp. Thanks very much. Please keep us in the loop. You're on the cutting edge of that story there, as always, doing great work. Thank you. Wishing you could be there live for the big game, soaking up the atmosphere in the crowd. but too often life gets busy or the price hold you back Priceline is here to help you make it happy

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limited time offer You know it does get complicated Jeremy with the big geopolitical picture Russians, Chinese, U.S., and it makes sense what Chris was saying about, we may be doing the same thing to them, and nobody wants to admit it because it would lead to perhaps dire consequences. But, you know, you and I harken back to what had happened a year ago and some of the things that were underway, and it's scary, some of the incidents and reports that came our way, correct? Yeah, so two things Chris said that were interesting.

One is, what if they changed the return to sender to be back? at the base, which is something that you do. If something's got a bomb on it, you do return to sender and it's supposed to go back. It's a very famous kind of a hack you can do. But that's a good point. What if you do return to sender and they just change the metadata to make it look like it was the point of origin they wanted to bomb? So there's some real issues. And you and I talked about this way before the drone thing was even like a word.

We said every UFO is going to be called a drone. And all the drones are going to be called UFOs for a while. and it's going to confuse everything. And we're seeing that now. We're absolutely seeing that now. But you and I would get reports that were substantial, that were substantiated, and were important, that were so bizarre. So during that New Jersey drone stuff, there was a critical infrastructure facility, an energy facility in that area. And we got word from reliable sources that there was footage of a pyramid-shaped object lifting up out of the bay and hovering.

and loitering over this critical infrastructure. And indeed, there was an incursion and something was hovering over it. And we were told there was footage of it. So you and I asked the sources. We're like, do you want to report this up? Because it's not working for you right now, reporting it up. There are people in the FBI that want to know. And they're like, absolutely, I don't want to break any rules, they said, but there's

footage of it. It's sitting on this Honeywell server. And we, I do want, this is important. This is a defense. And we told the FBI. We told them, we connected them to exactly where it would be. And then before they could go, look for that Honeywell footage for the first time in history that this individual knew about it, that footage was gone. It was deleted off of the server.

So you and I kind of learned real quick about those servers and how it works. But that is real. We reported that to the FBI because we were told that the individuals that were giving us that information wanted it reported. It was a pyramid-shaped object. lifted out of the water, I mean, close camera proximity, by the way, not like a blurry image. And it was deleted. So we don't know who deleted it. We put it in the hands of an investigatory body that we were hoping would get to the bottom.

Of course, they're not going to tell us if they get to the bottom of it. But we were informed that the footage was deleted before arrival and not by the individual that informed us. So there's so many questions, man, about this stuff. You know, UAP, UFO, you know, drones. It gets confusing. Even for me, I have fatigue with this shit, but it gets confusing. But I do see... Pyramid, though, not a triangle, pyramid.

Yeah. Well, triangular by angle of observation, pyramidal in shape. Yeah. All right, well, a lot to chew on here. We've got some pretty cool stuff coming in the near future, well weaponized. So get some sleep, and we'll see you soon. Okay, thanks, George.