WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Sky Intruders - Drones, Deception & One Weird Ass UFO Video - Guests : Rory Kremer & Chris Sharp

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

In this jam-packed episode Jeremy and George dive into multiple hot button topics that are still unfolding. Ace journalist Chris Sharpe is on the ground in the UK as military airspaces continue to be penetrated nightly by mystery objects described as “drones.” But if they are mere drones, who is flying them, what are they doing, and why do the sophisticated sensors and weapons of both the UK and US powerless to stop them, track them, or shoot them down? Also joining the podcast, underwater archeologist Rory Kremer describes how he and his team were able to record astonishing video of a UFO that became a USO when it descended from the sky and slowly slipped into the Pacific Ocean as a video camera recorded the performance. A brief clip of this encounter is featured in the Netflix series Investigation Alien. In this WEAPONIZED episode, the world will get a much longer look at the transmedium object and other unknowns seen by Kremer and crew out in “TIC TAC UFO” territory.   And if anyone is still confused by the odd circumstances surrounding the recent congressional hearing into UAP - WEAPONIZED feels your pain. What if anything did we learn from that event? What was unfolding behind the scenes? And were clues dropped about where things might head next? Are you not entertained? ••• Watch the three-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : tubitv.com/series/300002259 Watch Knapp's six-part UFO docuseries titled ALIEN INVESTIGATION on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for Citizens Bank. In this episode of Weaponized, it was one of the film crew maybe that went, What the hell is that? It's interesting to me that in Congress, when asked about our underwater capabilities of reconnaissance, that people would say closed session.

I believe it's the British Army who've been sent out there now to help patrol the perimeter. They've got police all around the area. Locals are totally spooked. Presses shut up about it in this country. No one's talking about it despite the MAD being on an emergency footing. What are you doing in London, Lou? You told the truth. I was like, Congress lied and I'll talk to you more about that later, Lou, but you told the truth.

Secrets, cover-ups and strange fundamentals. UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself. All these mysteries, all this time. Are we ever going to get to the bottom of these? My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't. I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't.

And this is weaponized. This is weaponized. My name is George Knapp. I'm joined by what looks like a W.W.E. Star, the Masked Avenger of some kind. Jeremy, is that you? Okay, taking off all masks today, George. Do you remember when we used that mask?

I do. What were we doing? Who were with? What was going on? I miss you. Halloween, Hollywood Bowl, David Gilmore. Oh, who's that? Who's David Gilmore?

He was the, in my opinion, the best rock guitarist in the world and was one of the mainstays of Pink Floyd and has continued to produce great music after that band split up. and it was a terrific event, wasn't it? Yeah, I've been accused of being musically stunted specifically by you probably 11 years ago. So you've kind of had me on this journey of learning about this thing called music, you know?

And, you know, I did, I was in a band, you know, played the whiskey, the roxy, I was a horrible drummer. My band was called Table 20. So I know about music. I'm just like horrible at it, apparently. You took me to Pink Floyd. I believe it was on Halloween.

That's fact. It was also George. It was at the Hollywood Bowl outside with like amazing tickets. And we went with friends. Admit it, who are your friends? I'm not sure that anybody wants to be on record for that. We met up with Ben Schneider, our friend.

The singer, songwriter, mainstay of Lord Huron, great band. We've been to see him a bunch of times as often as we can. And Ben just happened to be in town, not on tour that night. And we reached out to see if he wanted to go with us. And damned, if he didn't help out quite a bit. I mean, tickets are not cheap at the Hollywood Bowl.

And we had some pretty decent ones. But Ben knew the guy who was sort of organizing that whole event. And he reached out to him. And suddenly we're in a box in the middle of the Hollywood Bowl directly looking at David Gilmore. I mean, it was awesome. Man, it was so awesome. Now, Ben Schneider is from Lord Huron. He's been a friend of yours.

You played his music on Coast to Coast A.M., which obviously, you know, you host a few times a month. But Ben has played the Hollywood Bowl. And so it was just so surreal. I kept turning to him. I was like, dude, what is it like to be on this side compared to that side? What, you know, it was really cool. Also, Ben, we were with other people as well.

And that was kind of fun for me because I don't get to hang out with some really good friends very often. And these other people were really good friends. And so one is Ryan Gall. So Ben was on Weaponized, and people should go watch that Lord Huron weaponized episode. But Ryan Gall has never been. But Ryan Gall is a guy.

I've been in war zones with on the ground. I mean, I've known him for more than 20 years with my good friend Captain Brian, Ryan, Ryan Gall. Ryan Gall is a music guy. He puts on this event, a kind of small event you might have heard of. he actually produces it in what's the park in New York George Central Park and the festival is called like the global citizen festival or something something like that yeah a global citizen alliance maybe I don't know it's like global citizen I think it's a festival and he's invited me every year they've done it and we've done so much together in our lives and I've never gone but you see he has these huge artists like Bono and shit so I'm I gotta go one year but that's Ryan Gall and he also shows you notice a jacket, which I stole right off his back. Do you remember what it was, George? No, I don't. No. Okay. It said something from John Lennon. It was like a Beatles thing. Do you

remember about that? I do, but I don't remember which clip it is. Something come together or something. I got the jacket over there, but anyway, so Ryan, because I hope he comes unweaponized sometimes. He's the guy that I gave the little wooden flying saucer to that holds teeth that everybody was so confused about. It, like, actually is for your, like, It holds teeth. It has a magnetic top. Anyway, here's the point. The point is that we went with Ryan and he's a great guy. I hope he comes unweaponized because he has an amazing story about kind of what he's gone through in his life.

We also went with a guy named Brigham. Brigham. Brigham lives in Austin and he's got this clinic where he like gives me like stem cells and shit. I went in there. I got alien DNA. It was fucking wild. So that was our crew. We were all wearing masks. And it was a blast. One more note about Ben Snyder. So he is really well-known and respected and has a musician and singer, has had great success. Lord Jorah has toured the world. It's touring the U.S., I think, real soon.

In conjunction with Casey Musgraves, they perform with Sturgle Simpson. I mean, he's got a lot of fans in Well-known. He sent me a note. I hope I'm not violating a confidence. But a couple of days ago, he says, I go in to get my haircut. And this barber goes, I saw you unweaponized. So here's this famous guy who was known all over the world, and that's the guy cutting his hair, saw him on weaponized,

which, I mean, I don't know if that's a humbling experience, something good or bad or what? I think it's so cool. Barbers, man, they're the shamans of the modern day world. People are going to see some things about barbers soon visually, which is neat. I'll tell you about that later, but not today. So Ben Schneider, he sees him on weaponize.

Let me tell you something, man. This is to everybody watching. So all the people that listen or watch to weaponize, man, thank you so fucking much. I mean, this is like so cool to know that people are interested in this. We're going to talk about UFOs today, big time. We're going to talk about UFOs. But I just want you to understand that it means so much to me that this show is growing.

People are listening. They're paying attention. And it's about to get really exciting. And I say that with absolute knowledge that our show, as we move into the new year and continue, I hope we'll continue to do what I want it to do, which is give me an excuse to hang out with my friend George Nap, and study UFOs.

Well, it's a good time to be doing both of those things because there's a heck of a lot going on. On my end and in UFO world, UAP, call it whatever you want. I mean, good gosh, there is a tremendous amount of news breaking on this subject. and all over the world. And I think we're a little bit part of pushing that ball down the field.

But my gosh, I know I see it on social media, and we've talked about it before. I see it all the time people complaining that, gosh, darn it, I'm so tired of waiting for the truth to come out. Why doesn't somebody bring the alien bodies here to my front door? Because I've been on Twitter for six months now, and I haven't seen any aliens, and I haven't seen the truth come out of Congress or the media or from weaponized or anywhere. just not happening and I'm growing impatient. I understand that impatience. I am frustrated as well and I'd like to see some of the same things those people would like to see it. I'd like to see them now. But the reality is the progress that has been made in the past few years is incredible.

It's extraordinary. It's nothing like the limited progress that was made the preceding 50 years or so and so much interest in Congress, in mainstream media, academics, the general public I mean, you know, it's peaks and valleys over the decades for the UFO subject. We're peaking right now. And I think it's still going to be going up for a while. And, you know, we can jump into a couple of things that I think the public wants to hear from us in this episode. But first and foremost, what happened in Congress? I leave you alone for five minutes and you get into trouble in the halls of Congress.

You're threatening people. I've heard all the stories. I've read it. It's on it's on accent. be true. So I was not able to go with you on this trip. I wish I could have been there, but I had, I have a day job too at KLS TV. It was November. It's a sweep period. I was kind of busy with stories. I did cover it. I did write some stories about the hearing itself on the day it happened, but it was not able to go there. So give me your sense. Was that a good event?

Was it a positive overall experience? Because it really felt like there was some strange things going down behind the scenes. Okay, well, there's a lot of, too, as they say, unpack there. I'm not letting you get away with anything, so we're going to start at the beginning. So you, first of all, allowed me, you leave me alone. You allow me. What do you expect to fucking happen? You think that, like, I'm just, like, not a weirdo.

I'm not like a fighter. I know the answer is to all of those. Yeah. Yeah. I know the answer. Look, man, I really wish, George, we're going to take our time with this episode. I want to be thorough. I really wish you had been there, but sometimes you have to divide and conquer, but let's go back to like sweeps.

What does sweeps mean? Like, people don't know what that means. So you were busy with a job? Is that why you weren't in Congress? What was going on? What's sweeps? What do you mean sweeps? I am still the chief investigative reporter at KLS TV.

And although I've been traveling a lot over the past year and a half or so and haven't always been on the air there, they keep the door open for me and are welcoming whenever I can have, I'm able to put together investigative pieces. for them. I did a couple of fun stories, including UFO coverage regarding the congressional hearing, but some other mob-related pieces. Sweeps is they're not as important as it used to be. It was four periods, four months in a year when TV rating services pay special attention to how many viewers you got. And based on the results from those periods, it sets your advertising rates for the rest of the year. So, you know, TV stations, news departments generally put a lot of attention and a lot of good stories that they think will grab

listeners and viewers during those periods. So they often have relied on me over the decades to come up with good stuff during sweep experience. So with your job at KLS TV, I mean, it's like 40 years or something. So there you are. And one time a year, because you've told me this over like the last 11 years, like I'm in sweeps, I'm in sweeps.

So you have to pump out, do your best work kind of like, hit deadlines and do more stories than normal that that's what it is yeah kind of like that it's four months a year when and you know it used to be we put a most of our energy into preparing something these days we sort of think of them ourselves as being in sweeps all the time you want to fight every night for the viewers out there against your competitors in the media marketplace and so i'm not a full-time reporter with kLS anymore i can't uh but they they're anxious and and welcome any kind of input and stories that I want to produce for them. And I just, I love it.

You know, I've always, I love that place. And it's like a family. And they trust me. And I trust and appreciate them. So I was happy to jump back into doing some stories for KLS for this November. And they trust you because you broke all these stories on the mob, on UFOs. You took that shit seriously before other people. And you've been accurate.

And when you haven't, you've told people when you've learned new information. So when you say they trust you. You mean KLAS for 40 years as you've been working there. I'm trying to drive a point home here. But also I'm actually just curious about the answer. Like when you say they trust you, even the new people coming in, it's because they know that you do the best work you can. Is that right?

Yeah. You try hard. You are you honest in what you report. You're not trying to slant things. Although I do have put my permanent stamp on sort of the stories that I investigate. And I share with people what I think. about it. I mean, in terms of how I think whichever the issue is involved, how things fall based on what I'd learn. I try not to editorialize too much in that role, but I dig hard on a wide

variety of stories. And it's really a rewarding kind of a profession. So yeah, they trust my judgment. They know that if, for example, humans make mistakes. I've made some over the years, and it's important to correct them as soon as you can. Oh, really? For journalists to correct a mistake is important? If you make an error, you come right back on the air as quickly as you can on the same newscast and correct it. Oh. You know, I think there are probably professionals in the business who feel like correcting an error damages your credibility.

I think the opposite is true. When you tell them, hey, look, we messed up. Here's how we're fixing it. That builds trust and credibility in my view. Yeah, man. Oh, look, observations that maybe some people might not have because I've been in a privileged position of, you know, being at a news desk at your station and stacking papers. You could get, yeah, stack the papers kid. That was when we first met, right?

Really funny. There's a little like giff about it where I'm like, in other news and I'm stacking papers at KLAS. You snuck me in there. Before you knew I was a wild man that would go to Congress and raise hell, right? Oh, I know. Okay, good, good. but what I noticed is that when I went in with you all those times to KLS, which still baffles me that you allow me to be seen in your presence, but check it out.

What I noticed is that when you're trying to get out of that and you're like, dude, I have a life. I have a cat that is so obsessed with Harry Reid documents that he climbs in the box. Like you have big things going on in your life. So when that shit happens, what I noticed is you keep telling me you're trying to pull out. However, they kept this huge corner office with glass. I filmed it in numerous of my films. And they keep it there like this relic, like, oh, shit, he might come back and do another story.

Are they trying to, like, guilt you into continuing to report for KLAS? Tommy, what's going on? No, they know I'm a workaholic and I love my job there. And, you know, I have the best job at the best news organization in the best news city in America. There aren't 10 people in journalism had a better job that I do. I'm not there all the time, but I'm there as often as I can.

And until they change the locks and don't let me in, I'm going to continue to be there, I hope. I got more questions for you. So let's bang through them real quick. So, you know, look, man, I just see like a lot of times you're like, I'm going to stop doing that. You know, look, I'm getting older, man.

I don't want to do that. But somehow, man, you keep getting pulled in and you keep doing these stories. and, you know, it's amazing to me, man. I know, you know, we are friends and we, and that's the primary basis of our relationship. But as people working together, as journalists working together, I have seen over the years that you get this like, look in your eye, you start sending crazy text to people, you're like, fuck this.

You're like, forget this bullshit. These liars, these people, and you're like, I'm going to do a story. So you go in and you do a story. And I watch them. And what I noticed is that when I've been in your news, you're like, you're like, I'm going to do a story. news room, your news area. It's like you've known all these people for a long time. But all of a sudden,

dude's got a Netflix show and they're taking selfies with you. What the fuck is that about? That's true. You know, we've made allusions to it a couple of times as we've done podcast episodes over the past year or so, but this Netflix project is finally out of the

out of the can, out of from behind the curtain. Yeah. I think some producers, Angus James and Jake Loffer and had approached me starting in 2022, saying that Netflix itself wanted to produce its own UFO series to take a run at it. They want to meet a helmet, sort of, be the focal point of it. And I eventually said, yes, we started shooting, I think, in July of 2023. And they estimated we might need 30 days

to film the whole six-episode series for one year. Fourteen months later, we finished shooting it. You know, there were trips to D.C. with you. There were, we visited many parts of Brazil and Mexico. We were in Oregon, Washington, northern and southern California, Montana, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Texas, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. I mean, we went all over the place and put together the series. And we teased it. We showed the teaser on weaponized a month ago.

Yeah, right when you got it. And then we play it. It was so cool. that room in Michael or Wizard of Oz for weaponizer, creative producer. He was in that shot too, which was cool. But George, here's my point. I'm going to answer you about Congress. We'll talk about that. Let's talk about drones. Let's talk about Omaha. Let's talk about everything. But right now, I got to say this, I watched your Netflix show. You don't tell me shit, apparently. I learned so much from watching it. Like legitimately, I watched it and was like,

he never told me that. Or was I just like not listening? one thing really stuck out. We're going to have a couple guests today for weaponized. But one thing really stuck out. Now there's part of my mind that is like super skeptical and I'm like telling you all the ways that I think something could be faked. And then I see this guy. And this guy's name is Rory.

But I don't know the guy. You know the guy. So I'm watching this like everybody else on Netflix and I'm like, that's a motherfucking UFO. That's a UFO. That is unidentified and it went in the water. right and so so i asked you i was like look man what's up with that like what happened that night and you know and you took no offense but i grilled you i'm like what if the government put something up

what if the camera crew put something up i was like that was so weird i'm really excited you told me you have a friend and he's willing to come on with us so let's get back to congress let's get back to drones let's get back to current news we'll have a special guess for that right now there's a guy in your Netflix show. His name is Rory. And I don't know anything about him, but I do know he was there that night. And I also know that you gave me the clip and you're like,

what the fuck is this? And I cut this little thing to try to show. Like, I don't know. Let me like cut something and figure it out. So I want to know about the USO, the apparent USO, unidentified submerged object, seeing something go from in the sky, into the water, which did happen.

But what is it? Who made it occur? That's your voice. But tell me about Roy and let's bring him in and we'll get back to everything else. So one of the goals that we outlined in the beginning of our conversations about the Netflix series, what we might do and try to accomplish during the adventure during the investigation. And the series is called Investigation Alien, by the way, for people who haven't seen it, was to take a look at the area off the Southern California coast, Channel Islands, Catalina,

areas that have been UFO, USO, hotspots for a long time. People recall the 2004 Tick-Tac incident, which is one of the most significant UFO cases of all time because of who documented it, the U.S. Navy. The Nimitz Carrier Group was there doing exercises, getting ready to go to the Middle East, and they started seeing these objects, just brief glimpses of them coming from 80,000 feet down to sea level,

and then they lose track of them. And finally they said, David Fravor, our friend, former Gastirole weaponized, sent him after do go check this thing out, and we know the story about the Tick-Tac. What is it about that area, that section of the ocean, that seems to attract so many unknown aircraft objects

that come in and out of the water, allegedly? Well, we found a guy who would take a crew, take a big boat out there to look for it. He is an underwater archaeologist. And the question is, is there something on the bottom of the ocean out in that area that would indicate that somebody is down there for a particular reason, that there is maybe a base, a structure, some kind of hidden facility down there that these transmitting craft that are allegedly seen there have been accessing. Why do people see so much?

So Rory Kramer is an underwater archaeologist. We're going to hear from him in just a moment, but he was very anxious to take this on. because he does that kind of work. And he got a bunch of special equipment that he can tell us about to look down on the bottom of the ocean. And he took a bunch of cameras as well stationed around this boat. And he wasn't necessarily there to record objects or images or strange stuff in the sky. He was looking down in the water.

But he captured something and it really took everyone by surprise. It is legit. It was not faked. What it is is, well, it's a, it's a, transmedium vehicle. It's in the sky and it goes in the water and Rory and his team are the ones that captured it. It's astonishing footage. We've heard about these kind of things happening for a long time. We've heard there is footage, recordings, film, gun cameras of these things happening, but now we see what and maybe Rory can join us now.

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Yeah, absolutely. So listen to Roy, I got a bunch of questions about background. And I also want to ask the obvious questions about the event series like after you describe it. So just about your background, like I saw you like everybody else. You know, George doesn't tell me shit. He hides everything from me. All of a sudden I see you on there and I'm watching it. I'm trying to assess is this guy trustworthy, this guy, this guy, this guy, Rory. Like that's what everybody's thinking. Who's this guy? What is he talking about? What's his background? Is he a liar? What's going on? Like skeptical people. So just tell me real quick. Like, like, you know, kind of what is your background? Like, how did you find yourself there with George, like not only going underwater, but like, you know, on this documentary, like, who are you, dude? Well, I'm glad that George holds his cards close to his best. That's a good thing. Thank you, George.

I was raised on a ranch in Montana and didn't want to look at the ass end of a cow for my whole life. So I joined the Coast Guard when I was 17 years old. and went out and saw the ocean and just fell in love with it. After the Coast Guard, I worked in L.A. for a while. And then I started moving boats around and working on boats. And went back home again when I was 31 years old and decided to do my bachelor's at University of Montana,

studied anthropology and archaeology at Purdue. and came back out to the ocean. And I'd been work in California and Pacific Rim archaeology for over 20 years now. And I've worked Samoa, Canadian, Northern Mariana Islands, Hawaii for quite a few years,

California coastal for quite a few years, as well as Nevada, Arizona, Mexico, Costa Rica and Guatemala. I've got a lot of terrestrial archaeology under my belt. But the reason I got a hold of George was stuff that I saw on the ocean. And I got a hold of them because of a delivery.

I was bringing a boat over from Hawaii. So, a job. Jeremy, tough job. Actually, being on sea is a tough job. I mean, you've got to have grit to do that. The ocean is a crazy, place. So you're telling me you're highly educated on all the shit qualified, but you're also telling me you got grit because it is hard actually to be on boats. I mean, you went to Hawaii

and all the fun stuff, but it is right. It is hard when you're working on boats. Oh, and I'm bringing boats from Hawaii, the main reason that I get a lot of those, and I've done, I've done probably close to 50 of them, both with crew that I've hired and by myself. It's really easy to sail to Hawaii bringing a boat back is a pain in the ass. You've got to sail way north to get south. Like this boat I was delivering in Marina Del Rey, and it was later in the year, and I had to go up to latitude 41,

which is almost parallel with, like, Portland, and to bring the boat to Marina Del Rey. So I brought it up to 41 and then it started coming back to the coat. It's just the way the currents of the weather go. And so I brought it down. My first place I hit was Morrow Bay. Just because you can see that rock way far out in the sea. About 26 miles you see the rock.

And up to 30 days at sea by yourself, it's kind of nice to see land. And, yeah, but I saw something half, well, three quarters of the way through from a while. to the west coast of the mainland. And it spooked me, and I got a hold of George and wanted to talk to him about it. I figured he was the Maroniteiteite. Just tell me what you saw. I saw this. It was nighttime, and I had the boat on, on Auto Helm.

It was just sailing itself perfect. It was just a really nice night. It was a beautiful night. The boat's, you know, no engine going, just had the radar going so that I could see if they or anything across my path and sitting out there having a drink after dinner and all of a sudden,

the ocean started getting bright underneath of me. Now, I know that when the sun deflects on the other side of the planet, it can sometimes deflect underneath of you, and I've seen that twice. And that's a weird thing to see it because it, but its light is coming

sideways underneath your boat. This was coming from directly underneath of me. and it kept getting brighter and brighter and brighter and brighter. And the damn thing popped up out. It was a thing. It popped up out of the water probably. I would guess a mile from me, something like that. And it was brighter now.

It was brightest daylight. I want to really understand it. So you're saying that, like, how far out were you from bland? Oh, I had been at sea for probably 20 days. I think I was about 1,600 miles off of, I left Alohae-Marina in Honolulu. And so I was 1,600 offshore from them. And I probably had about another 900 miles left to go to get to the coast. So I was almost as far as you can be on the planet from into another piece of land.

Okay. So walk me through this. So if I'm understanding, you are completely isolated in the middle of the ocean, in no land in sight, hundreds of miles from the closest known land NAS, and there's a light that starts illuminating from under your boat, not at

an angle like the sun reflecting some weird thing, and you're watching it about a mile away from your boat, something like that? No, actually, it was light underneath of my boat. The light was coming off this thing was diffusing and it was, as it came

up, it got wider and wider, it's area of diffusion of the light. How big? I want to say the thing was probably, you know, thinking back on it two to three hundred feet in the length, it was big, it was huge, but it was quiet. It couldn't see it. I mean, it couldn't hear it. And it came up out of the water and hung there for a second and then went off in some weird angle, not the same angle it was bringing itself up out of the water from. Okay. How you get quiet.

Okay. It was spiritual. Okay, hold on, hold on. Quiet after it gets out of the water, you'd expect to hear some, but let's start with illuminating under the water. What color was that light? Green, kind of greeny, yellowish, and it was really dim at first, so I thought maybe it was just phosphorescence. Because sometimes when you're on a boat, the phosphorescence will get heavier in some areas than they are in others. So you'll come through an area where there's a little biolvercorescence, you'll get heavier in some areas than they are in other.

They're bio-creatures that when you hit them with the boat, it causes phosphorescence. If you've been out on the sea, you'll see a trail of them behind a boat on the ocean. Well, sometimes they'll be so bright that they will, you hit them with the hole and they splash off. Well, that wasn't this. This was coming from underneath the water. I mean, well underneath the water. Okay. And when you say green, would the color of the water, if it was a white,

cause it to look green? No, the light when it eventually came up out of the water was kind of a yellowish, but it looked green. And I believe that's just from what was in the water, the Pacific Ocean, is relatively clean when you're out, a distance from shore. But you still have, you've got stuff in there that changes the color. Okay, so you see this thing come out of the water. Do you have binoculars or is it just through your off? No, just, I didn't know what they're having.

yellow was. I didn't think to grab a noculars. I didn't think to grab a camera. I was just like, holy shit, what is that? I went on your pension mode. Yeah. Okay, so the thing comes up out of the water. No sound. Did you see like water dripping off of it? You said it was spherical shape, about 200 feet. I was looking at it and I couldn't, I couldn't see. I mean, it was bright as heck. It was really, really bright and almost almost like a blinding yellow light. I didn't see water coming off. of it, I saw water down below that was white capped. It was like, you know, you could see a disturbance. Something had come out of the water.

There was a white cap that went out. But the thing came up and it went up, I guess I probably went up a little higher than I was on the boat. So probably 50 to 100 feet out of the water and then just hung there for, it felt like forever, but it was only two or three seconds. Okay. So hold on. is it fair to say that you're in the middle of the ocean and that somebody has a technology

that is spherical and somehow lifts out of the water and it's self-luminous and then it fucking hovers before it leaves like this is technology like somebody in the middle of the ocean has technology that's underwater that all of a sudden can do this is that fair to say

it's almost like it's viscosity city didn't carry water with it. It was able to push the water away from itself. So it didn't carry water with it. Water was no thing to it. I guess what I'm asking is, that's fascinating. But what I'm asking is, just bottom line,

you saw a vehicle or a craft or something, come out of the water in the middle of nowhere. It was self-luminous, came up, it was spirical in shape about 200 feet, and it hovered, and then shot off like somebody has technology that is under the water that can do this is that your experience yeah it wasn't it wasn't a natural thing it wasn't a flying whale or any fucking thing like that it was it was it was a it was a built thing somebody built this and it and it and it and it was and it was under

control by somebody who knew what they were doing and it almost even at that time when it came out of the water and hung there for a second. My brain was telling me that thing's changing from one atmosphere to another and it's having to equalize. And that's what it did. It like got into the air, hung there for two, three seconds and then whoof, off in a different direction. And I was able to watch it for eight or ten seconds and it just kept going straight till it was out of sight. And you're completely alone. Did you like just fucking, what did you, did you grab the whiskey? Well, you're, there you thought around. I was trying to, I looked, well, actually, I did try to remember how many rum shots I'd

had that day, but I'd think I'd only had, like, too. And I had no other intoxicants with me. I was, it was just weird. And I took my harness out real quick and put it on and strapped it to the boat because I'd been a little slack about running my harness, because we'd have said, you know, it had been such nice weather. But I'd put my harness and tether on. So I didn't fall off the boat that night.

But it just, it was so odd. I'd never see anything like it. I've seen submarines come out of the water before up in the Seattle-Chicoma area where they used to just breach. And you see them before you see them and hear them before you see them and hear them before you see the light at night. Like you have submarines? Yeah. Yeah, the Tritons deal.

They used to play with them a lot there until there were some Japanese tourists that, that killed on a boat over in Japan that got hit by a sub doing that. So they kind of backed out at doing that. Yeah, this island question. This is the first time I'm hearing this. I'm kind of shocked right now, but I knew that there's a reason why Georgie and you might have been talking. But let me just as we've determined that somewhere in the middle of the ocean,

somebody has a machine that they built that can is transmedium and it's spherical. So it doesn't have like rotors, tails, exhaust, all that stuff. It's self-luminous. It comes up. It's high. technology. I mean, I really hope it's the United States of America, but if I asked you, could you pinpoint exactly where this was on the exact date? Is that information that you could relate to me in Georgia private? I could probably not pinpoint it GPS-wise, but I could give you a

variable because I only travel on that boat. I probably traveled an average of 1.15 notical miles a day. So I could get ballpark close within probably 50 to 100 miles. Oh, dude, that's wild. Okay, because I think this is certain. There's never been out there. I've gone back since then and I've done, you know, done a little

homework on this. I didn't tell a bunch of people, but I went back and looked at, you know, where I was track-wise and what historically has been recorded. And there's some military stuff that was recorded during Vietnam, Korea, ships would go across that area coming out of

Bremerton and out of California going across that area and they have sightings all the time right I heard that all the time but like why Roy so why did you not like tell everybody after this why do you go and call

Batman and like tell Jordan nap like why didn't you just fucking tell everybody because I had to go to work and I I work sometimes for the government and I work for people who are who were like, you know, I didn't want to be a nut. And at the time, hold on, how do you work for the government?

So deep state operative, Jeremy. Come on. I want to know, like, what do you mean you work for the government? What do you mean? I've done a lot of projects as a field archaeologist and as a project leader on different military bases and naval bases. And I guess I talk about it. Now it's not secret, but I used to work for a company. We placed sonoboies around the Channel Islands.

and test them. And sonoboos are things that they drop, they'd have a jet fly over us and they'd drop these things. And then we'd have the technicians on board. It would be testing them, making sure which ones work and which ones don't. And, you know, we get on there and listen to what the son of buoys were picking up. I mean, they were testing them there and they were basically trying to, that's the story we got, they were trying to figure out what sonabwee worked the best.

And so we had people from different. companies that came and tested their sauna buoys out on this boat. It is a sensor system. It's a sensor system that... It has sound-based sensors. Yeah, it's a sound-based sensor system that will... It comes out in a long tube and the jet flies over and it drops and then bring the big boat around and go pick them up and during the time between when it's dropped and

when we pick them up, it's pinging and it's giving them soundings and it's listening to the bottom of the ocean. It's listening to what's there. What part of, what part of the government was doing that? Uh, DOD. Right. Okay. Here's the deal. Why is the DOD putting sonic buoys around the Channel Islands? What year was this? Most recent year was probably 2015, 2016, something like that. That you know of. So my question, I went on, I was working on the boat. Yeah. So, so my question is this. It's interesting to me that in Congress, when asked about our underwater capabilities of reconnaissance, that people would say closed session, obviously there's a secret, a national security, defense department, DOD secret about our capabilities underwater to detect, to detect what?

Okay, maybe Russian submarines or something like that. I get that. But there might be more to it. So, George, I just want that to be on our radar. Two momentary diversions from the story, and we'll circle back around it. In this Netflix series, the six-part series Investigation Alien, we have another case that is reminiscent of what Rory has just described there off of Tampico, Mexico. These two fishermen, brothers, go way out into the ocean. They're fishing, and underneath them is this huge, roundish, white light that appears out of nowhere. And it comes under their boat, and it runs into the rope that's hanging on their ankles. the anchor. It's pulling it forward and they were in danger of being pulled under the front of their

boat being pulled underwater. So they went and cut the rope. Rory, what do you think about that story when you watch that? That's pretty wild. That was really wild. First off, I'm wondering why they're not running chain for an anchor line. But thank God they weren't, I guess. Yeah, I mean, that's, that would scare the hell out of me if I was starting to go bow, if my bow was starting to submarine under the water and I was on anchor, that's, that's pretty spooky. My second diversion is Rory's has had other experiences with strange phenomena back in Montana, correct? You were there when a lot of weird stuff was happening. There was.

We've got missile bases on our ranch, on our family property, and there was a period in the 70s when there was like 60s and 70s where there was a lot of disturbance. He'd see wild stuff in the sky. You'd still go home and see wild stuff flying around. Cattle mutilations. Oh, yeah, we had cattle mutilation. and sheep mutilations all around us during that period of time in the 70s. It was strange. And you saw these mutil...

So not many people have, like, missile silos or whatever you called them, like, on their property. I don't even know how that works. Here I say... They're Minuteman missiles, and, like, the one that's by our house, my great-grandfather did not want it on the property. But the Air Force came in, and they did image. domain on this corner of this corner of one of our fields and he met them at the door I understand every time they'd come to the door he met them was shotgun he was not happy but they they did imminent domain on that corner and still to this day that missile base is there it's an iCBM

minute man missile they're minute man at threes now yeah i mean it's like if you didn't if you weren't like born into the position to be curious about the UFO thing I mean, it's insane to me. So whatever, man, you got to write a book. Like, seeing you on Netflix, I wanted to, like, grill you to see your credibility because I looked at that video and I was like, George, everybody's going to try to mess with you, man.

They're going to try to trap you. We're giving fake information all the time. What's going on? So let's jump into that. Rory, great to meet you. Now, you're on a boat. I resent you the cut that I made when George gave me the stuff. You watched it last night or something like that

right after the SpaceX launch, I think. So let me just ask you this manner. George, maybe you should take lead on this. It's your show. Yeah, I'll do it this way. Rory, could you share with us what Angus and Rick and Jake, the producers, what they assigned you to do? What was the mission of you and the crew on that boat that you leased? They asked me about seeing underwater things or things that came out of the water that were connected to UAPs.

or as we used to call them, UFOs and the ocean. And they asked where I would want to go. And I told them several places that I think would be hot areas just because of military work and work that I've done in the areas and archaeology that I've done. And sailing and being on boats, basically, in the area off the coast. And so I got shut down on the first two places because budget wasn't big enough.

but finally they they took number three well i put together the gear and you know they they were telling me what they wanted and i tried to fit the gear and the people to to fulfill what their needs were they wanted to see any anomalies that were uh intelligently designed but and in the areas, but something that, you know, we can't explain that it made no sense to have it there. But primarily, you're looking down at the bottom of the ocean, and you're taking special gear puts down there that might explain why these things keep coming in and out of the water, right? So generally when you're doing archaeology here, you're looking at rehistoric peoples, the natives that lived here for, you know, anywhere from 15 to 20,000, maybe even longer years ago.

and probably 95% of coastal archaeology, I mean, California archaeology is underwater because 10,000 years ago you could almost walk to the Channel Islands. So it's quite often that you will be doing underwater archaeology surveys and you will find fire rings, you'll find shelters, you'll find burials. That's not what they wanted to see. They wanted to find out if there was anything down in this area that I went to that didn't fit that. You know, why would it be there? And I knew of a couple places.

And we went out and looked at one, two, three places. And off of Santa Rose Island that were interesting. They were pretty cool. Maybe we can play the video and Rory can sort of give us a, play-by-play as we roll through this. This is the version much longer than what we see in the Netflix series, but we were giving permission to show as much of it

as we want. So can we... This one came up right as I was pulling the ROV. I had remote-operated vehicle underwater, and I was pulling it up. So I was really busy getting that thing out of the water because they're kind of expensive and you don't want to lose them. And I was getting it and its cable up

and all of a sudden the cruise was like, holy shit, what's that up there? and I was able to look at it for a second, but I needed to get this thing out of the water, but I was keeping an eye on it. And then it was, it was straight. It was strange. What I noticed in the longer footage is that you're just like talking on the boat,

and all of a sudden somebody says, and you go, whoa, and you look over and you see it. Was that the first time you saw it in that clip? No, the first time I was sitting in a chair just like this, and I was pulling the ROV cable out of the water at the table. at the stern of the boat. And I had Anthony Reynolds, who's the dive, he's got the dive shop in San Luis Obispo. He's been a friend for 40 years almost.

He was helping me, and his daughter was helping me get the ROVM cable out. And one of them, I think it was Anthony's son or one, it was one of the film crew maybe that went, what the hell is that? And that's when I looked and they're like, Rory, come over here. And I said, I can't come.

I'm over there right now. Because I had to get this thing up, otherwise we'd go tens of thousands of dollars for it. So we're getting it up, out of the water. And then I, when you saw me probably on the net, I haven't watched all the Netflix thing yet. But I think that when you saw me, I already had the ROV out of the water,

had the cable gathered. And I was standing then looking at what they were playing at. And just that thing popped up again. and when I saw it, when it popped up again, it was freaking 100, 200, well, probably 150, 200 yards from the boat. It was close. And I actually was looking around thinking, if this thing's a sailboat coming out,

is we're going to get smacked, because it looked like it was on a dead, dead reckoning heading towards us. And then the next thing, you know, it's 10 miles away. Okay, so that's the UAV. our ROV video. That's some of the stuff that I shot with the ROV. And that's bringing it up, I believe.

Yeah, bringing it up. And so now that's down still in the water. That is off of Santa Rosa Island. And there we are. The cameraman was looking at me, and now he's got the camera pointed at the... at the... at the... that they were talking about behind my back.

and I was able to glance over every once in a while to look at it. And I got the ROV up then. During this time, you can see it darting around, pop it around. This isn't a good cameraman, so that's movement of the unit itself. He's on steady camp. We got to reel that thing if we can. While the boat's moving, it kind of adjusts. Now it disappears.

And that is the point when I got the ROV out of the water. And I was able to then stand up and I was like, well, shit, it's gone. I missed it. I just got to see a glance of it while I was pulling the ROV up. Now, I think I talked on this. You're looking at the camera, man, and then suddenly the thing is back there behind you again. Yeah, it popped up again. There it was again.

And then it got way too close. I'm used to running posts, so I don't like it when lights get way close. because it needs something hard is really near you. So we're all just watching. We're all going, holy shit, what is that? I had asked you to sort of figure out where you were and you sent me charts.

I was just trying to see if maybe there's an island or a light or another boat or something like that. We were on anchor right next to Santa Rose Island. Right at the south end of Santa Rose Island, that's the only piece of land that is near there. So after this comes back again You guys, it's late at night Most of the crew goes down to go to sleep

And then the cameras keep rolling, correct? Right, we set up cameras for the whole night And we had one guy on night watch, of course He wasn't part of the crew, he was part of the boat crew He didn't do it to cameras He didn't know anything about the cameras Other than they were out there It almost looks like it's there to perform

For the camera way up And you can see the movement. That's the movement of the bow of the boat because we're on a stern anchor there. And so the bow of the boat, it's a pretty calm night. It's moving up and down. But this thing is making a gradual movement onto the water. And it's just, it's like it's showing off. It's not trying to hide.

It's not in a hurry. It's teasing you. And you can see the reflection from, it's a real light. It's reflecting off the ocean. It's right down there. Is it going to go in and boom there? It's in the water. water. And you can see, you can see the reflection in the water. I've never seen anything like that.

It was, it was unbelievable. And I've talked to people who work RLVs, who work these sensor equipment, things like that, and they've never seen anything like that either. Tell by the color of the water, oh, that's just a light. It's what a deeper, too. Under the ocean, yeah. Yeah, you can see it getting deeper as it goes down. It's not, it's not just sitting on the surface, and there's swell between you and that and whatever it is that that thing's in the water and it's and it's and it's diving and it's going deeper and it reminds me of the green because it does look green when it goes into the water and that's because it's like a yellow

light and then the color of the water like you described earlier so this thing is in the water the bioluminescence off of it yeah and what what makes you say it goes deeper well you can see it it fades it doesn't come back up out of the water there it's it's equalizing to it's you know it's surrounding i have a feeling and it and it submerges you can see it go down into the water until the water you know the darkness of the water consistency of the water envelops it let me ask let me ask some stupid questions okay so first of all before we even talk about how this could be faked what what i want to know is what do we have that can they can be luminous that can be outside of the water and then can submerge and go deeper into the water.

Like, what, do you guys know of any technologies that are, like, readily available just from people that want to fake stuff, that you can have a light on something and it can go into the water and then go deeper? Like, I don't know. Like, DJI drones can't do that. So, do you guys know anything that can do that? You know, I've thought of it since then. And the only thing that I could think of is if it would cost you over 100,

thousand dollars to stage something like that um and it could be i mean and what i'm talking about is like an a prop helicopter drone that would be holding onto a uh a another drone underwater drone because i don't know of anybody that makes anything that does both that do both media what about size like do you have any idea from the distance of the light and like what size this thing is would have had to have been, is it the size of a, like a, like a, a coin, or would it be the size of like a car? Like, do you have any idea anywhere? The only reference that you really pick up is when it, when it gets near the surface of the water, you can see there's a distance, and I think it's probably three quarters of a mile, roughly away from us, and it's got to be a substantial thing.

And when it goes in the water, you can see there's a substantial body of something there. you can see it almost reflects back on itself against the body of water. Well, three quarters of the aisle, that thing was big. That didn't be big. Oh, yeah, it was big, whatever it was. It was big enough for all three of us to be having a party in there. Well, that fucks up all my conspiracy theories, but let me tell you some of them. Okay.

So first thing on my, I'm so on guard because George and I get fake information from different intelligence agencies all the time. So I'm like, okay, George, cheap-ass Netflix that won't even go to the right place because it cost. Would they do that? Would they do that? Would they, you know, get a helicopter, which, you know, far away you can't hear it? Would they put a weight on some kind of light that's big, apparently, and drop it down? The George wasn't there. So he doesn't, you know, he can't say definitively yes or no.

We'd have heard it if they'd build something like that. That's what I thought, too, when I got the video back from, because all of those nighttime cameras went in to be processed and and that can I don't see how it could be faked because there's it's sound looped into it it hasn't the sound loop hasn't been edited I ran it through my through my computer to see if it's been kind of doctored or something now it's it's the same continuous loop on it um you can hear the boat actually when it's when it's when it's riding on it you know it's an anchor that that's new information to me. I love, see, I didn't know that about you. So you were like, you were suspicious

to begin, you're like wanting to make sure as well, Rory, it sounds like. You took the audio and listen to it. Yeah. Yeah. And while that and also, I don't sleep well on boats at night because I just spent too much time on the water. And we had a big accident of a dive boat that burned down a couple of years ago. It was a great dive boat, wonderful people. We lost 34 divers because the boat burned down in the middle of the night, so I don't sleep well on them. And I wake up all the time, probably every half an hour to an hour. And I was up every half an hour to an hour. So if our camera crew had been doing something goofy, I'd have busted him.

Jeremy, by the way, Rory didn't see this video in the morning when he didn't. The guy who was at the night watchman, he didn't see it when it happened. Rory and the rest of the crew did not know it happened. They didn't see that video until what? You're back on shore, right? We were back for almost, it was almost two weeks before, before I got a, one of the producers got a hold of me and they were like, I'm sending you a file, you need to take a look at this.

You've looked at the metadata and you made sure it was from that moment? Yep, yep, yep. I've actually got a copy of the original. Send it to me. I need to do my own analysis. But here's the deal. So like, you guys are blowing my mind right now. So I like literally just like a fan of looking at it and being protective of George and people try to fuck with us.

So this is already encouraging. I think you might have gotten a real USO. But one more thing. Let me ask you this. Okay. Who knew you were out there like to give you an example. George and I have been played or they tried to play us. You know like agencies that knew we were going to be somewhere and they try to set us up.

Nothing elaborate, you know, just with people, reconnaissance people. But, like, is there a possibility in your mind that people knew that George motherfucking nap was doing a UFO show and that you, they had tasked you guys out on a boat? And our intelligence agencies were like, let's mess with these guys. And let's put a helicopter up there with the weight on it and put something in and make it go in the water. Like, is there any possibility that this was some sort of sci-op operation from a government? I know that's crazy. But let's just, I'm asking. I can't think I mean I was pretty close to the best but it might better half knew that I was going

I rented the equipment out of Seattle they didn't know exactly where it was going even even the boat captain and I decided where we were going later in the afternoon to where we would be that night I mean David the boat captain who was a great guy on the piece of dive boat. Him and I hadn't picked our anchor spot until I would say three, four in the afternoon. And most of the crew didn't have telephone access. So I don't know how somebody could have done something like that. But I don't put anything past the government. In this compressed amount of time that you have to do a show, they didn't tell, they can't tell the full story, right? So now I'm kind of learning it for the first time. I think personal opinion, I think this is the first time

that there is civilian UAP footage. I don't know if the first time, but I mean, it's pretty wild. It's a UAP. It's unknown to us. But guys, it's transmitting. It goes into the water. It goes down. This relates to what kind of what you saw, Rory, that first sparked you, you know, under the water, that thing under your ship. I mean, I don't think we're giving. this footage enough credit because it wasn't displayed in a way that we can in the Netflix show or that they could in the Netflix show because of the compression of time. Guys, this is wild. And it is on Netflix only. So I know a lot of people that don't have Netflix. So it, you know, they haven't seen it. And people who have seen it, friends of mine, they regard me as a pretty

professional guy when I'm working on the water. and they're like they're amazed and these are guys who work on the water guys and gals who work with friends who have seen years underway and they're like that's cool that's great and they all have a story of a similarity

there are a lot of videos clips of things zipping around in the sky over the ocean there are a few videos of big lights mystery lights under the ocean there is to my knowledge knowledge, no civilian recorded video of a UAP going into the water and then vanishing underneath the ocean.

I've never seen one. I heard about them, I've never seen one. I mean, guys, I'm so glad that they're allowing us and weaponized to kind of show more of this footage and talk about it. Like, I don't know what it is. But when George told me, he's like, dude, I think we got something weird, something really unique. So that's why I wrote in that thing. This could be

the first ever transmitting UAP civilian footage filmed. And that's encouraging because the more people that have cameras, the more people that are looking, the more people like you who are credible and professional and have a history Rory and talk about it, the less that the stigma

stalks people. Like, you know, like you even said yourself when you had that first experience, you didn't go around telling people because you still were working in the government. Guess what? People leave the government. And have cameras. So not only do we have military footage of wild stuff like the USS Omaha with radar, but now we have civilian stuff. So guys, I'm really thankful for you educating me on this because I had so many questions. Rory, thank you so much, man. What a crazy experience. I would like to say

shamelessly, I've got a friend. I want you to meet. I'm making sure I got this right. His name is Vince Smith. He's like a brother to me. He's worked in the ocean. I've known him 30 years. He started something, he's the founder of a conservative conservation, restoration, education, adaptation, resilience, professional, whatever. He started something called whale fall. He's the founder of the nonprofit. His name is Vince Smith. Have you ever heard of him, by the way? No, I am not. I want you to connect you to him because other than your passion for the ocean, whatnot, this is a guy that has some unique capabilities. We need to look under the water. My first tip 11 years ago about from the highest ranking military individual I've ever talked with in my life was that I should look underwater. I go,

I don't got a fucking submarine. How am I going to look underwater? But now I know people that do. So I want to connect you with Vincent Smith, who started that organization I said and you guys will have a great talk. Roy, thank you so much. George, is there anything else you want to hear from Rory on this? This is big. Oh, there's plenty of, we can we can bring Rory back. I hopefully there is going to be a continuation of this project at some level. And even if there is not, I think we should collaborate with Rory going forward. George and I, we've kind of collaborated on, you know, just spit all in on spaces where I think they would be. And using his experience, and I think I sent George a link the other day about, about radar and things.

that show up on radar and you can go back through this this library of things that show up and I think that there's I think there's a way to analyze this and get out to some hotter areas and with the new technology underwater lighter if there's something there it's findable yeah laser radar that's how we find all these ancient temples that they're keeping secrets so people don't go raid them the underwater lighter is a new technology that's just, I mean, it's new to civilian archaeologists like myself, but the military's probably had it for 20 years. Of course.

And they're terrified that you have it now. They're terrified you have it because you know where to look, you know what to do and you have the technology is becoming more accessible. Anyway, Rory, man, thank you so much because talking with somebody, I get to learn and trust a lot more what I'm seeing on like a Netflix show. But, like, George, I hope you do more another season of the next. Netflix. I do, I learn so much from that show. And I hope you do it if you want to do it. So we thought, uh, 2023 was the year of the drones. Remember the three supposed Chinese

objects, spy balloons floating across the U.S. lots and lots of coverage. U.S. military jumps into action, shoots them down. We get the last one. That big Chinese balloon goes all the way across the country, holy cow, that was a drone, UAP, spy balloon, paloosa there. That was nothing compared to what's going on now. 2024 might be remembered as the year of the drone attacks because they're popping up all over the place. And I would submit that drones are the new swamp gas, that the military goes ahead and says, oh, yeah, we got big different shaped objects of swamp gas invading our airspace.

over and over again. We don't know where they're from. We can't track them. We can't take them down. But don't worry about it. It's just swamp gas. So they use drones in much the same way. Oh, yeah, they're drones.

Maybe they're foreign. We don't really know where they're from. They're hobbyists, gasoline-powered. Nothing to worry about. But again, we can't track them. They come out of nowhere. They disappear nowhere. We don't know who's flying them.

We can't seem to take them down. They come into sensitive airspace, sensitive military bases, all over the place. Langley. pretty important base. There's video online out of Duke Nuclear Power Plant,

unknown objects, and then a spate of drone reports over sensitive military installations in the UK. And thankfully, we happen to know a guy who lives and works there is a pretty good journalist, right, Jeremy?

Yeah, an incredible journalist, a friend of this show, a friend of mine, I consider him family. Hey, guys. lovely here to be here with you both. So yeah, thank you for having me on. What the heck is going on in the skies of the UK over these particular military bases? How many of them have seen these mystery drones over the past couple of weeks? Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh no. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for threats to your identity, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. If we find anything suspicious,

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And they're very, very, very close together in the east of England, in the Suffolk, Norfolk area. So imagine like East Anglia, kind of near where Rendlesham-Hafford, actually, in that kind of geographic location. and there's also been drone incursions reported over RAF Fairford as well, again operated by the US Air Force. That's in the western half, kind of more in the western half of the UK, kind of Gloucestershire kind of way. So Cotswolds, if you can imagine that. So those two areas like 130 miles apart, basically. So it seems to be a coordinated effort what's going on. and the US Air Force has been,

and the Ministry of Defense from the UK have been very reactive about these things. F-15s are taking off, going around circles from last night, up until the 4th December. They'll be flying without lights as well over the area. It's pretty...

Just routine training kind of stuff. No. So how many of these objects have been spotted? How often do they show up? How long do they stay? And what happens to them? How do they get away? Yeah, sure.

So it's multiple objects. I don't have an exact number, but it seems to be a coordinated effort. From my understanding, it looks like they're being pre-programmed. They're on a pre-programmed route going around these bases. So it's highly coordinated. But the mystery is how are they being deployed and where are they being deployed from? Again, also, like we've reported the other cases, who are the controllers? I think kind of pre-programmed makes sense, you know, like we see in the Ukraine.

So if we work on the assumption that these are drones, you know, it's kind of like in the Ukraine, you know, you might have them being pre-programmed a certain route, but also you might have someone like miles away in front of a computer screen. So it's not someone, if they are operating drones, someone could, just like search the perimeter and catch them with a remote control or something like that. So if it is a drone, if we're working on that assumption, it's highly coordinated. We're not talking about simple technology because these things are operating at night. From my understanding between 5pm to around 10pm that they're operating,

they're also operating in very, very difficult weather conditions as well. From my understanding, they're operating over last weekend when there was a stormy, in the UK and we had winds of 65 miles per hour in that area. So they're operating in those areas. And I think that the US Air Force and the UK MOD are spooked. From my understanding, the UK MOD is on an emergency kind of like footing at the moment. This is seen as a huge priority. All resources have gone into this.

And there seems to be a press blackout as well currently. They're not talking about it as they should do. This should be front page. It's a big, big deal, especially because R.F. Lakinhee was supposed to take delivery of nuclear weapons. We don't know if it has taken that delivery or not. But that came out in January that it was scheduled to take petrol delivery. Probably just a coincidence then.

That suddenly drones show up there. You know, they're just drones. You could buy them on Amazon, I guess. Well, yeah, Chris, let me ask you this real quick. I don't know much about it. I've been dealing with like actual other life stuff, but I've been trying to follow your reporting. Like, let's stop this bullshit. By definition, they're really cool drones because they seem to operate in like wind speeds,

all this stuff. I don't know the sizes of them. I want to ask you about that. But let's be clear. We can shoot down drones. Like, we can do that. We're really good at that. And in fact, we don't need to do that.

We have other types of technologies, like the famous one is return to send or send a bomb back to where it came, blow people up. This is not a problem. There are people on record saying drones are not a problem. We can take care of drones. I've interviewed people like that. So there are drones. They are. Are they also UAP?

Do we know who's operating where they're launching and landing or are they UAP? This is the thing. We've had some objects that have been seen that do look like drones. and some people have said that they could hear drone noises, but we've also, I've been speaking to a guy called, well, he's known his Liberty. He runs a YouTube stream out of Lakenheath, and, you know, he's seen a lot of the action over there

in the past week or so. And he actually has been describing seeing some very, very strange objects as well over the area in the... Like what? Weird. What strip? I'm trying to rethink what he did, but I mean, we've been seeing photos of oddly shaped objects.

I mean, I'll see if I can find some footage that he can potentially provide you so you can see some of those. But I've had reports of orange orbs as well in the area. So, yeah, there does seem to be a bit of weird mixed in with some potentially prosaite drones. Okay, but that's not weird. And let's make sure people understand this. 2019, when all the ships were swarmed over multiple nights, of course we sent up drones. We did. There were also the incursions of everything else that might have been drones, right?

But not drones just UAP2. So of course we have a whole variety of assets that get airborne. The moment we have airborne incursions. Does that make sense to you? Yeah, absolutely. think the arrow and the DOD kind of have us in a linguistic trap when it comes to UAP as well. Yes. Because according to the definition they have of UAP, unless they exhibit anomalous

behavior such as the five observables, then they can't be categorized as UAP, which is why, you know, it was important for them to say, oh, go fast as an EUAP in that. latest hearing because they basically debunk their own name say well actually if it's not that fast it can't be a ua uap because it doesn't have any extreme performance characteristics but i think the argument would be how do you know if it's not a uap if it's not how do you know if it's not capable of these extreme um performance characteristics especially if you don't know who the controllers are um and where they originate from say how hard is that to find out how they have to land. How hard is that to find out

where these things are launching a landing from? Why is that such a big mystery since 2019 and before? Why? This is the thing. You know, they've got 60 people from the I believe it's the British Army who've been

sent out there now to help patrol the perimeter. They've got police all around the area. Locals are totally spooked. I mean, unlike the US, you know, we're a very, very small country in the UK. So there's not many sparsely populated areas unless you go right to the north and part of Scotland. So again, you know, this is an area where there's lots of people living nearby.

They're seeing what's happening. Desputs. And despite lots of security being there, they can't seem to work out where they're coming from. Or perhaps who's operating them as well. I mean, I've heard rumours that, you know, it could be the Chinese, could be the Russians. We know that there's been activity by those forces.

Ever since the US and UK provided permission to strike Russia with the attackers and storm shadow missiles. We know that's fractured up. We know that the Chinese allegedly been cutting communications

cables under the Baltic. We know that the Russian ships as well by communications cables connecting Great Britain with North America. Yeah. These are big objects. They have to refuel. We have ways of taking them down. You follow them.

You have radar. Why can't we determine where they're fueling, launching, and landing? It makes zero sense unless we're not being told. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I mean, these should be pretty basic things determining where they're actually being launched from. It's dangerous if it's not. Yeah, especially if they're being launched, you know, they have to be being launched locally. I mean, this has happened for over a week now. I think

this is like the night for 10th night now. U.S. Air Force is still being reactive, so is the MAD, where they don't seem to have a grip on the situation, despite it going on for so long. And that's really, really quite alarming. I mean, these could be pretty basic things, right? officials have been a little vague, a little fuzzy on what the legal abilities are to shoot these things down over an air base, sensitive military installations. You know, oh, gosh, we, you know, we don't want to shoot one down and hurt some civilians on the ground. Of course, you know, we know that ships out at sea have encountered these unknown drones.

Then it'll shoot them down either. Do you happen to know, Chris, if they've tried in the UK, in these incursions, obviously they can't be tracked, they just suddenly are there, and then they're gone, and we can't track them to where they came from or where they go, they're there. Has anybody tried to shoot one down or take one out or disable it with EMP or missiles or rockets or bullets or anything? Yeah, so there are rumors circulating that two were brought down by the U.S. Air Force. I've asked the U.S. Air Force for comment on that.

Nothing's come back to me so far, but also, you know, it, there are a lot of eyes on this base and there's a lot of people living in this area. There's been no eyewitness testimony of anything being brought down as well. So it's really difficult to tell. There's a communications vacuum when it comes to this. I think one of the concerns possibly could be that when you return back to send or it's supposed to send back to where it originated from, I think there's a fear as well that, you know, someone may have edited that.

So it actually goes onto the airfield, perhaps on the flight line. It has a payload and it could potentially... If they have payloads, they're not going to put lights on them, and they're not going to let you know. That's not how that works in combat. It's never worked like that in combat. So that's a bullshit excuse. Where are they coming from?

We have the best tracking satellites on planet Earth. Where are they coming from? We don't know, right? this is the thing we don't know. We don't know, but we do know, but we do know that, you know, like you said, we have the best satellite, you know, you've got the NRA, you've got the NGA, and there's various sensor systems that could put eyes on this area to actually determine this information. But look, I don't pretend to know what it is, you know, they're calling them drones.

Susan Goff thinks their drones, they say, we knew them they were drones. But the question is, how do you determine whether they're drones? how do you positively determined? They are drones. They're unmanned. They're drones. We all agree. They're also UAP.

The thing is there is a mandate around any ground troops within a certain number of miles that mandatory they have to be shot down. There is fuckery here. Look, I'm fired up, but I'm not getting less fired up. So that's just the way it is.

There is a mandate. People can look it up. When things are close to ground troops, you take them down. What's going on? Yeah, it's, it's, it's, all I can say is it's rattled a lot of people locally. Their families there, people of children, and all their do is they're hearing, they're hearing, you know, airplanes, military jets, their lights off.

Um, they're seeing lots of activity at the base. There's an information vacuum. No one's being told anything. You've got police everywhere. Um, press is shut up about it in this country. No one's talking about it despite the MOD being on an emergency footing. I can't think of when this has happened previously and you'll speak to lots of people who are there locally

who will have a lot of knowledge when it comes to the US Air Force operating the area and this seems very, very unprecedented when it comes to these kinds of things. Chris, are you worried? Are you worried that, so I'm worried that what is going on right now is that we are being influenced

through a campaign to be acclimated to an idea that may be true, but we're being giving events that are not true in order to influence that idea. I don't know if I'm being clear. I am concerned right now that there are fake siops, that there are things being done by the United States government to put fear and confusion into the American and global public about UAP for an agenda. and actually I have evidence to some degree of that. So are you concerned at all that unprecedented events like this,

that make zero sense, that they just think we're idiots? And that all of a sudden they're trying to create this fear of these unidentified, unknowns, unknown origin when it's so easy to track, George and I directly know and have been exposed to footage of high capability, of looking at these types of things. That is fact. George can attest to that if he wanted to right now. So are you concerned at all that this is a charade?

Yeah. Yeah. This is a thing. You don't know what you don't know. I don't know their drones. I don't know who the controllers are. I don't know where they originate from. I don't know what the US knows.

I don't know what the British authorities. I know nothing. This is a thing. And that's, and there's an information vacuum right now. And it makes things worse. All I do know when it comes to this is that there are unknown origin. No one's determined where they're from. It's ongoing.

That's what we're being told. No one's determined where they're from. Are you concerned about the lack of transparency to journalists like yourself within your country? Yeah, I am. And laws are very, very draconian in the UK as well. Half. You've got to be extra careful because we have different secrecy laws when it comes to the UK. and yeah, you know, and they're a lot more harsher to journalists.

I would say. Explain that. Explain that to me. What do you mean? You're a journalist. So I have not been able to call you in months because I'm dealing with some stuff right now. So that sucks because you're a foreign national. Tell me why it's draconian in your country.

It's draconian in our country because we don't have freedom and speech like you have in America, we don't have sure protection laws or anything like that. If we inadvertently cover something which is kind of like official secrets or something like that covered by the act in this country, you know, the courts have like more power, the police have more power, the military have more power to come after us, basically, in the UK. And there have been some cases. I can't remove off by hand, but there have definitely been cases where, you know, journalists have got in trouble for kind of messing around with that. And the UK, you know, has power over journalists as well.

You know, they do have D-Day notice. They can cover up stories if they want. They can have news blackouts and stuff like that. And now we have a new media landscape where you don't just have the traditional BBC and telegraph that kind of dictating what people see in terms of the news. You have independent outlets as well. You have X.

So it's much more difficult to control in the UK. And also I point out as well that the channel that has been streaming everything happening in Lakeham Heath well that channel got removed from from YouTube don't know why and also the email address was compromised as well so the person running it had to take his email address off he has to use a different one now

he's had to relaunch his channel on YouTube so I don't know who did that but it just seems that we live in this different climate when it comes to secrecy in the UK I should add a note here. We're going to have this conversation at some point in the future, but Lake and Heath has a long history of really odd, interesting UAP activity. This is one of the targets of the OSAP program.

Now, the public hasn't seen this material. I am somewhat familiar with it, though, and I can tell you there's some really well-documented incidents involving Lake and Heath that is yet to surface in public. So at some point, maybe we can have that conversation. And you want that, George. You want that to surface. But you, so this is where people get mad.

You want that to surface. You've been exposed to it. But the thing is, as a journalist, when you give you a word to be informed, you don't break that word. And so people need to understand, we are doing our best to get everything out. You are doing your best. You're saying there's something you've seen, the public hasn't. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, so far, at least temporarily in our country, we don't have the same kind of legal risks that are facing Chris right now. But I'm not entirely confident that the situation won't change. We have a situation here now, these in the UK, where these unknowns appear out of nowhere, they disappear out of nowhere. We cannot track them. I think the best case scenario our government wants to push is these are probably foreign operated drones. somebody is some spy is hiding at a thatched hut out by Stonehenge and is pre-programming these things. Is there not a signal that stays with these drones? I guess if you pre-program them, you don't have to have an ongoing signal that can be tracked.

Or do you know? Either you guys know? I believe they can track the radio frequency if there is a controller. Yeah. Yeah. This scenario is there hundreds of these things showing up over sensitive installations. Langley Air Force Base is home to like half of the F-22s in our country. They have the F-35s there.

The bases that you're talking about, they have very expensive planes and equipment and personnel, and we do not have the capability of shooting them down or we haven't tried. Either one is chilling. If we have tried and can't knock them down, that's scary. We can't track them. If they are foreign-operated drones by China or Russia, that is way scary. than some object from an interdimensional intelligence or aliens or something like that. I mean, my gosh, that is an intelligence failure of a gigantic magnitude.

And we're casually being told, don't worry, these are just drones, you know, nothing to see here. There have been 600 incursions over U.S. military installations since 2002. Not 600 objects, but 600 different incursions, according to NORAD. We haven't solved any of them. having caught them. We all saw the three Chinese spy balloons supposedly shot down. There is wreckage that showed up a couple of weeks ago. We found out on the shores of Lake Huron, where is it?

Where's the Roswell-type press photos of the balloon footage or whatever? There's a lot of gamesmanship being played here. I am not at all confident and comfortable about the idea of foreign drones flying your country, Chris, over those bases or over U.S. bases or over U.S. military facilities, cities, and nuclear plants, etc. It's not at all company. Let me just augment what you said, George, because I, so I talk to military personnel every day at bases or on deployment at sea. There are resolved cases all the time. We get somebody from the Chinese government, sometimes they use tourists, and they have them

fly DJI drones to do reconnaissance on a base. The tourist doesn't even know. I know about these cases. What they do is they resolve it. They're like, oh, okay, that's what happened. A spy in Guam goes to a bar, finds a tourist, makes them fly a drone up. Really cool, right?

Fly it over there. Happens every day, they resolve it. So whatever these cases are, maybe they're unresolved. We resolve these cases every day. You said, you know, can we shoot them down? Can we target them? Do we know where they are? you know, George, that you have seen

the capability of the United States to identify things from satellite. You know that we can track all this shit. We're being lied to. Where does the story go for you, Chris? What's next for you? Or you don't want to say. Don't want to give anything away.

Well, in terms of this story, it's just when does it end? I mean, it's going on for overall. week now. I think this is like the night for 10th night that's been going on for. When does it ends? That's what I want to know. It's um and that's why I don't think the UK want it in the press because it's basically we don't have control of our own airspace, let alone the Americans. Um, and that's unnerving. They don't want people to panic over that. I it's crazy. Again, it's unprecedented. Um, uh, but I mean, in terms of the other stuff that I want to

do. I mean, yeah, I want to keep on investigating the retrieval missions, UAP retrieval missions, and the reverse adjourn programs. I want to continue looking at the Central Intelligence Group that was formed before the CIA and the OSF and what happened to the MagentaCraft and the mission center, which apparently is the place which is related. to this central intelligence group that got possession of Magenta Craft from an aspect

that was moved over from the Manhattan project to the Central Intergence Group. I just find it really, really interesting and I'm really re-interested as well in terms of the incoming Trump administration about it going toward the bureaucracy. So we're talking about, you know, the scent...

We're talking about people like, you know, Glenn Gapney, for instance, you know, there are people in high positions in the intelligence community that are the gatekeepers. And I think that the Trump administration is ready to go to war of them, backed by people who have connections to people like Peter Phil and Elon Musk, let's say. And, I mean, one could argue as well that, let's say that Lockheed Martin is having trouble attract from the talent to actually exploit these materials. Okay, someone could put a good argument in that,

well, the best people in the world to actually exploit the materials work for SpaceX. That's where the best engineers are going now. Move that stuff over. Exactly. Okay. Or we've had great people working on it, and there are derivative technologies that we've exploited, and now people are getting greedy,

and now they want to take it out. the back door, put it in the front, have ownership of those technologies. I mean, look, man, I'm done. Chris, you know I'm angry now, right? Absolutely. I, like, I could only for a long time. And I've never seen you like this before. And I know there's a lot going on in your life. And I know that you're not going to take any more of this. That's right. And here's the deal. I'm not angry. This is the real me. The real me is. I've been biting my time. I've been listening. I've been looking.

I've been watching. I'm done. People are going to be exposed. So I want to say something really clearly. Look, as a journalist Chris in the UK covering, I don't know, the CIA, part of the reason why I haven't called you talk about Link and Lily and your family is because, you know, I know you're exposed. If anybody messes with Christopher Sharp and his journalism in the UK, we are exposing you. And we will be louder than you can comprehend.

And I want to make that public because we will. be Chris because you are not as protected as we are in the United States. So listen, another thing I'll say. And this is a threat. We have UAP interested allies in UK Parliament. You're all fucked. If you mess with Christopher Sharp and his reporting in any nefarious way for years, I have bided my time and I have allies in UK Parliament.

You will be exposed. And I'm saying that as a friend, Chris, because I want to protect you because you've had some big-ass stories that were accurate, and they involved the CIA. My advice to you, Chris, after a long career of journalism, is this. You've been covering this stuff night after night, these incidents that keep happening. Take a night off, because it will wear you down after a while.

I would take the night off, go to a pub, hang out with nefarious UFO-type personalities who might be in town, you know? You know, I don't know who that might be. He does it to me all the time. I'm going to try right now. Don't say anything. Let me just, he does it to me all the time. Hold on.

I can guess who this is. Oh, can you? Okay, hold on. All right. He is so fucked. He's my friend. Oh, and there's this video online that's like hilarious. That's unreal and I'll tell you about it.

This is, this is Girls Gone Wild, weaponized. Are you ready? Let's see. Come on, they have to pick up. I'll mess with them if he doesn't. Yeah, I think like, a video message or something. Yeah, yeah, no, I got this.

I know what I'm doing. Okay, watch this. I'm going to do it in the, if he's in the UK, I don't do normal text, so I'm going to do a video message right now. Lou, I know where you are. I know who you're with. So, I'm right now on video with Christopher Sharp

with George motherfucking nap. Lou, where are you hiding? I want to talk about a video people put out in Congress about you and me having some argument where I attacked you about getting Geico insurance or something, really weird. Video me back. I'm on with Chris. I just want to have a moment where we can talk.

Hit me right now. Come on, buddy. You do this to me all the time. I mean, from what I saw, that was a full and heated argument. And you guys are like worse enemies now. Is that correct? Hold on. Tell me what you saw.

I want to play this. What did you see and what was said? I didn't read, but I was sent the video. Yeah, yeah. I saw you just push a poor lady. lady out of the way and she went tumbling down, poor lady, you know, and I think he might have pointed at her and laughed or something and then he screamed at Lou and you manhandled Lou and yeah, it seemed like a full out argument.

I just wanted to make sure that he had like Geico insurance for his car because I know he rented one, but I don't know what there was a... Look, let's stop making a job, let's play the video. Lou told the truth in Congress. Lewis told the truth to the best of his ability that I don't know. I know of up to date. Lou has not lied to the American public. I hope he doesn't lie in the future, but he hasn't lied yet. So I went over to him and somebody put some video online and they like slowed it down and repeated it when it looked like I body check some chick, but we were just two

gravitational forces moving around each other. No contact was made. And then I talked to Lou, but it's right after he comes out of hearing. I just happen to see him at the corner of my eye. I'm like, hey, Lou, you told the truth. But Congress lied. And he said to me, Wait, I'm not tracking. Oh, we talked after that a bunch, right? But, like, in that moment, they sped it up even like he's trying to get away from me. Oh, my Lord, Lou is my firm. Lou even said to me, Lou says, oh, man, come on, we should have fun with this.

Like, let's, like, tell people what was really going on. I'm like, no, no, no. Let's let them talk. I want to see who makes up fake stories and propagates them so I can catalog like Santa all their names and know if they're naughty or nice so I can find out who they are. It was hilarious, man. Lou is a good friend of all of ours. This has nothing to the UFO world.

He's just a good dude. And then he's also told the truth. And that, to me, is important. So he didn't know that Congress lied. But he knows now. So that interaction was just me being like, oh, my God, what's going on? And I went up to Lou. Dude, he's a good friend.

It's so crazy to me. If people just look at the things put online and then how people want to twist it. What they should look at is who's trying to twist it? What are they trying to twist it to? And why? And you're correct. There's a bigger picture emerging now and people need to look at the forest, not the trees. Because there is a bigger pattern emerging.

There's a bigger jet emerging. What's the bigger pember? Like we said, is the technology. Who's in position at the moment? So who funded Trump's incoming national security advisor? Who did? Well, who also funded the vice president in his Senate race when he was losing his Senate race? I don't know.

Yeah. His initials are PT. So, yeah, you look at all these people coming into important positions, and a lot of them have a common thread in terms of who they, they are funded by I'm dead who are you talking about and who funded all these people

so we know that Peter Phil has funded these people so well oh come on can I turn this camera around come on Lou okay hold on I don't know how to best

how do we do this hold on hey it's not everybody thinks everybody thinks I like I screamed at you and I body checked somebody, but there you are with your beautiful wife. Where are you? Where are you?

Dude, what are you doing in London? Hey, Jen. What are you doing in London, Lou? I don't know. Just loving. Dude, this is going to cause so many conspiracy theories. I don't know if you can see us properly. Hold on.

Somebody wants to say hi. Uh-oh. Oh my gosh. Hold on. Alex. Alex. Hey, both of you. What are you doing?

Okay, well, welcome to weaponize. Hold on, hold on. The whole Lou Elizondo family. Welcome, the whole clan. Welcome to weaponized. Welcome to weaponized. Oh, there's going to be some stories about this night. How are you, brother?

How are you? I'm good, brother. Long time they see, you, right? This should be a film. Chris Sharp meets the Elizando clan in London. I know. It seems to be. I know.

God help us. God save the queen and the king. Oh man. So Lou, listen, I want to hit a couple nails on the head. So one day people are saying, oh, so these guys must not like Lou because he hasn't been unweaponized. We want to come see you guys and hang out with you. That's first of them. You know, that's why I don't get on X other than to answer people directly because for whatever reason, people have this weird cockamamie idea that, you know, they see something and they fill in the blanks, like we're fighting or something. I'm like, dude, like, Jeremy and George are my brothers.

What are you talking about? I mean, we break bread together. I know, man. I wonder you coming to Wyoming. Yeah, when are you guys coming to Wyoming? Very soon. I just got to get George Knapp the package from point A to point B. It'll be easy.

It'll be easy. Damn it, George. When are you coming over, man? Things are easing up for me a little bit. I've been on the road for a long time, and a lot of traveling for weaponized for net, for KLAS, so I'm I'm not the Portia.

I hear winter is just lovely in Wyoming. It's nice, it's moderate. It's the best time you're going to come. Yeah, if you like begging igloos and, you know, no angels. Arctic lifestyle. Sure.

Hey, listen, so a lot of people are going to make up all these weird things about, like, you know, you jumping on weaponized, why haven't you been on? Why haven't we mentioned your book? Oh, you know what? Why haven't I been on, damn it? I don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

Don't do that. Okay, but here's the deal. I'm just kidding, brother. I know, I know. Okay, but let's squash one thing. I came up to you in the hallway where they pretended that I body checked some chick that's like, was with you in a blue thing. Did I, did I? I saw that.

I saw that. I didn't save 15% on my auto insurance. I'm just, you know, heartbroken. And look, you had to be the bare bad news. I get it. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't with Geico. He wasn't with Geico, guys.

but, you know, I'm wiser for it. Okay, so is your friend okay, or did I, like, knock her down? Is she okay? A couple stitches, but she's okay. Okay, and so, Lou, I was coming up to you just to congratulate you. I just saw you at the corner of my eye, and I was like, dude, you told the truth. I was like, Congress lied, and I'll talk to you more about that later, Lou, but you told the truth, and you were up against stuff where you wanted to tell more but could only tell in a secure environment.

I just, like, we'll do this right later. Taylor. She says hi. Hold on. Let me see your, let me see your pretty daughters. Hold on. Hold on. What's up? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, well, of course. Hey, hey, good to see you. Look at, look at these guys, these handsome guys. I spoke to them today. They're wonderful, girl. Yeah. Very, very proud Barbara. I miss you guys. I can't wait to come out and hang out in Wyoming. Hopefully you get the whole family together, but I love you guys and people just don't know. So they make. up shit. I just wanted to say hi. That's it. We'll do a problem. My life. Every time I get on X, all they see are these weird conspiracies that, you know, Lou is working social media for some weird, maniacal reason. No, no, hold on. Let me ask your daughters. Come on. Come on. Come forward. Is Lou, is your dad a maniacal guy, and he's a wizard, and he's magically messing with everybody about the truth? He may be a wizard, but he's not a maniacal one. I love your pops. I love you guys.

Right. Emphasis on white. Hey, look, we're all getting gray. We're going to get like George Knappi, a silver fox one day if we're lucky. But anyway, Lou, George wears it well. I, you know, I just look like fat Santa Claus. Hey, listen, self-deprecation doesn't work.

I love you guys. Have a great trip. And I just wanted to fuck around a little bit. But we'll do this right. We'll do this light. I love you guys. I'll see you later. I'll see you later.

I'll say it, guys. And that's going to throw us off the trail. Good seeing you, Chris, like you're not going to meet up later. Tongues will wag. Anyway, this is a very real episode. I just wanted to have friends on and talk with George and hang out. But Chris, thank you so much for the work you're doing. Look, we don't know the ultimate truth.

You know, we can think all these things through, but your reporting is inspiring. You as a human being are inspiring. As a friend, you're inspiring. I just really appreciate the work you do. don't stop, don't listen to the negative stuff. Just fight, fight, fight, brother. Just keep going.

Go, go, go, go. You know, go, UFO, brother. That's what's up. A lot of confusing signals came out from that hearing. I mean, it's a mixed bag, you know. Why? Well, look, I think my impression is, on one level, both subtle and overt, it's important that those hearings happen.

Politicians who elected officials put their reputations and their careers on the line when they give credence to the subject. You know, there were 50 years where there were no hearings. We've had a couple, and although they don't go as far as the public would like, as as far as UAP enthusiasts would like, it's important to have them. It was important to hear those things from Lou Elizondo. Yeah. Is there a crash retrieval program? Yes. Is there a reverse engineering program? Yes. Is it being hidden from the public and from Congress? Yes. Those are all good things to get on the record. This is a hearing before Congressional committee. The witnesses are under oath. It is televised to the whole world. That's important for the

subject, for the credibility of the old brawl subject. But at the same time where people like Tim Burchett are moving the ball forward who are standing up for the truth, there was a lot of gamesmanship that was pretty obvious to anyone who was paying attention. What the hell was that? Who said you elected members of Congress are not allowed to ask questions about X, Y, or Z. Who the hell does that? Says whom? Do you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but I think let's wait. What I want to do is I want to see how hungry people are for truth. How many lies they're going to tell themselves and tell each other. And I want to see if people really want to know the truth. Look, man, you said something a second ago. You said, that politicians put their credit on the line. Now I get that with people like representative virtue. He's the only one in Congress that told the truth. The only one. So like I want to know like what that means because I see people benefiting from talking about this and not putting their credit on the line. And that's different. I know what you mean. I'm just looking at the

broad scope of history. Okay. And the broad scope of American discussion of the UFO mystery, it is risky for elected officials to be out in front on this issue because so much of it is wacky. Right. 90, 95% of the cases are explainable. All kinds of conspiracy theorists get involved with this stuff. People make things up. There is disinformation that is an active effort by government agencies ongoing military they muddy the waters they stir things up they keep us off balance on purpose it's not an accident that so much disinformation is out there or that it's not taken seriously or the stigma all those things were

discussed and planned a long time ago and it is still a fact that these elected members of congress have some risk to their credibility when they get out in front on that issue so I give them credit for having the hearing, for stepping forward, for appearing to be champions for transparency. However, there's other things that were clearly going on behind the scenes. The fact that this hearing happened at all, what the ultimate goals were for some of the people who participated, because we see lots of different threads that pulled together weave a more interesting tapestry, that there's big things behind the scenes that are underway right now involving the UFO issue and we're just sticking our nose under the tent and getting a little glimpse.

You and I maybe have a better glimpse of that, but the public is seeing only a little tiny bit of it. Well, we're going to make sure they see the whole of it. But before we do that, I want to go back. Now I understand what you're saying. You know, it's been denial. It's been a ridicule set up directly by, I think it's the Condon Committee and the FBI, the whole idea of conspiracy theorists and UAP and like, you know, getting people to look wacky. So we're up against a lot.

But I do think the history of hearings is kind of what you're talking about. Now, I had this moment where I look back at my life and I looked at like these images from the citizen hearing on disclosure, which Ruben Langdon set up. And I helped with that. And that was five Congresspeople, one senator, 40 witnesses, seven days almost, I believe, of testimony. That was in 2013. New York Times cover it. I took that New York Times article to somebody and I showed it to them. And I was like, yeah, we're really pushing here.

And what I realized you're saying is that for so long we've been lied to and you've been lied to and you've documented how you've been lied to about UFOs. So as far as hearings, it hadn't happened in 50 years. I'm looking at myself in 2013 being like, oh, shit, we're trying to have a hearing on UFOs. Oh, that'll never happen again. boom, they start happen again. Representative Carson says my name in the hearing. I'm like, what the fuck? It was so bizarre. That was the first hearing in 50 years. People forget that. They think it was with grush. It wasn't. That was the second hearing. And that hearing only happened because Representative Birchitt and I fought for it. So here we are now. And we've had verifiably,

we've had three public hearings. However, there have been a lot of behind scenes, private witness testimony, and I had been part of that. If you really hear what was muffled under what Representative Burchett said when somebody coughed into the microphone when he was trying to say something, when he got his five minutes, there's something he said. So to your point, I agree. It's so amazing the history of hearings. We are having them.

But I want to tell you something, which you might not know, because you weren't there this time, because you put me off leash. You were like, oh, just go crazy. You weren't there. me to protect me from being myself. This is what I realized last night. I'm laying there. I'm thinking, what was so different about this hearing? We have good people testifying. We got that cool guy from NASA, Mike, with his cool son and his government relations woman who was right there with him. You know, we had Lou Elizondo. I'm going to say good people. We had Lou Elizondo, right?

Dude, that guy was amazing. The feeling in the room, George. When you were there the first time, The feeling in the room was like celebration, like finally, like, wow, we're talking about this with our mouths out loud and we're saying it out loud and people are saying it who are in position to know. Like David Grush, who is who he says he is, who had the job he said he did, who had the axis he said he did whole way through. The feeling was different this time. And I couldn't really put my finger on it. It was ominous. It was weird. I was pumped.

I did all these texts before. I'm like, oh, it's coming out. Shit's coming out. Well, that's because I had something. I had something. We had something to say, to come out. Now, that didn't happen. Not that way.

But that's okay. There are other ways things can come out. So the feeling in the room, George, I finally put my finger on it. I did last night for real. First time was real. It was honest. This hearing was dishonest.

Now, not serious. She's talking at me. this hearing was dishonest. Now, no, Lou Elizondo as an example, just one example. He was honest. He told the truth. Don't fuck with my words. The entire setup, the hearing itself, the months of me working with accountability and oversight,

the calls you were on, the calls I brought other people on, the people I walked into offices. I don't want to say too much right now. But that was the difference, George. The feeling, if you were in there, you would have told me like this. That's the difference. It didn't register until now. The entire hearing was controlled. Now, I'm either crazy or I'm saying a lie or whatever people want to say,

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Actual prices may vary, limited time offer. So we'll be definitely hearing more about Congress and people behind Congress and manipulations and things that are taking place. and maybe it all ends up in a good place. It could end up being a positive sort of a development, even though underhanded, dishonest tactics are being used to get there. As the public goes forward, if these intrusions continue, swarms over sensitive military installations in this country and in other countries,

if that continues, and if our government and other governments continue to say, it's just drones, just everybody who, when you read those stories or hear, the word drones, think in your head, swamp gas. Just make that substitution. Because drones are the new swamp gas. They use drones as a generic sort of a term, nothing to worry about. You know, we, we don't know where they're from, but they're not shooting anything. They're not blowing us up. So, eh, we're not all that concerned. Well, they are concerned. They don't know where they came from. We don't have the capabilities to shoot them down. This is not a new thing. We didn't get into it in this episode, but this stuff has been building for a long time.

I mean, as we've discussed before, in the late 1940s, green fireballs, orbs appearing over nuclear installations, labs, facilities in New Mexico. I think you've got something that you shared on the Joe Rogan show from 1960 about an object. Describe it. Yeah, yeah, it's a cube with a spherical aura. It's from 1960 from Alamagordo in the newspaper. I did show that on our pal Joe Rogan's podcast. You know, it's ahead of its time, you know, showing something like that.

was to show that this is not new. This is something that has been going on a long time. Alamagordo, 1960, yeah, at a military plane and a civilian plane saw it a cube with a spherical aura. The same things were being seen off the East Coast by U.S. Navy pilots training out there. They reported it a bunch of times. And we have the stories that we have broken,

not just long ago history, things that we have broken. In 2018, I shared with the public the idea that these naval aviators in these. training areas, Oceania, the biggest naval air base on the east coast, vital to U.S. National Security, these pilots flying out every day into these training areas, these zones, were seeing odd craft just sitting there. I guess we can call them drones. But it's not just one or two. It was a bunch of them. They all kind of look different. And I remember that one day, one crew took pictures of three different objects within in the course of an hour. All of them

different. We don't know where any of them came from or how they can sit there days at a time, just sitting there in high winds, doing whatever. And, you know, for when I reported that in 2018, that pilots are seeing that every day, nobody believed me. They made it up. And then along comes, you know, Gimble and Go Fast, those things. And then 2019, the West Coast, people are trying to dismiss that as well. Okay, I guess these were drones. Well, what kind of super drones are they that huge, the USS Omaha, that image that followed that Omaha ship? They tried to take it down. I mean, you believe that to be the case.

No, no, I know that to be the case on multiple ships. They tried and they couldn't. And, you know, that thing followed them for a long time. Here's the other part, drones that can be sometimes picked up on radar and sometimes not. You got that video that we showed a swarm of these things. They'd come in and out. Sometimes they're on the screen and sometimes they're off. It had anti-tracking capabilities, stealth capabilities.

Who's flying those drones? It's not the Bass Strait. It's not Chinese drones. They come out of nowhere. They go nowhere. They can't track them. They can't take them down. We're not supposed to be worried about that.

I mean, over Colorado, was it 2022? Hundreds of these things. Adjacent to ICBM nuclear facilities, military-sensitive installations. they're traveling in patterns for weeks. Lots of people see them. They're recorded. That's still an unsolved mystery. And now we got them at Langley

and over Duke, a nuclear energy station, Pantex. Yeah. Or we'll learn more about that thing to Pantax and the jelly. Just drones. Don't worry about it. You know. Okay, but George, they are drones. Yeah.

Drones are things that are autonomously controlled. I don't have to look at the definition, but so it's not a lie. It's like, it's like with Susan. a Gow or Susan Goh when she was like, oh, Immaculate Constellation, we have nothing in that a Department of Defense. That's because it was an unacknowledged special access program outside of the purview of DOD, although they were used to actuate it. It was actually originated just like how Department of Energy or the White House can create a USAP. So the thing is,

you can lie by telling the truth. And one last thing, shootdowns. They didn't believe you. when you reported what pilots were reporting to you that like this was happening every day and i have footage of that when you one of the first times you said it publicly i'll try to find it people didn't believe you they also went on the news and didn't believe us when we said that uap are being shot at and in fact people don't understand how hard it was to get that image it looks like cermint the frog it's ridiculous but we got an image out of a uap that everybody should go look up because it's going to come very pertinent within the next two months. And that is an event. We called it the Syria Dome, UAP. And that was from a direct shootdown attempt. And so people should start listening.

If in reporting journalists have been right before they may be right in the future. So I just wanted to say something else that they didn't believe was when we talked about shootdowns, George. And it turns out we were correct. So question. Are you proud of your Netflix show? It's fucking great. Are you proud of it? Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know, I'm hard to please.

So there's all kinds of things I'd like to be able to do in that that weren't there. We shot so much stuff that did not make the cut. There's a great conversation. Jacques Valet is in the series. But he and I went to another location and talked for hours. Great stuff. Colaris and other things he'd been there before didn't make it. Wow.

Kevin Canuth has some. somebody else we talked to at length who had done some really great work. We flew to Mexico City and were there for a couple of days and got somebody on camera who has never been on camera before and it did not make the cut. Who, who are people? You know, it's a, I'm going to, I think I'm not allowed to say what that is because maybe if the project goes forward or has another season, while you want to get into that. And if it does, you're going to spill the beans. Yeah, I will, sure. Yeah, if it doesn't go on, I'll spill the beans. But, you know, there was a lot of great content that didn't make it can only crowd

so much of it in there. It moves pretty fast. The series is good. I mean, you know, I always would like to have more stuff, but it's, there's no slow movement there at all. I mean, look, you're proud of it because this is stuff that you do that a lot of people don't get to see. I mean, obviously you're traveling the world.

You've done that all the way from back in the day going to Russia and all this stuff. So you should be proud of it. It's really cool just to see you do it. But it sounds like there's so much more. And if you're not like, you know, working with them, you know, you should tell everybody all, all these stories that happened. But look, man, I learned so much. One of the most compelling things about the series other than like cattle mutilations and crop circles, holy shit, I think UFOs are real now. It really blew my mind.

You had this thing in Brazil. And they just kind of glossed over it. There's a dude that you're on the beach with and they show this red orb and it fucking leaves like instantaneous movement. it appears, and then they've got pictures in the jungle of a flying saucer over tree tops, over field. Like, did you Photoshop that? Did they? Or is that a real photo of a flying freaking saucer?

Yeah, I don't know what it is. We didn't Photoshop it. The guy had it on his cell phone camera there. I didn't even know we're going to see it when we saw. You know, and he had described it, other people described the same stuff in that same general area. I think that was Barcarina, a lovely little girl. garden spot in the jungle, where we stayed one eventful night. Yeah, Brazil is a beautiful country.

It was so great. All the people, Tiago, our friend Tiago had helped us out so much. And that was an adventure of a lifetime. We got great stuff. Again, there was more of that that we didn't, weren't able to fit in. And, you know, Brazil has a long, colorful history of UFO, USO incidents. That Kalara's case is serious. I mean, it is unlike anything else in the history of UFOs.

It's an outlier where as many as 2,000 people were injured. Things come out of the river, out of the sky, out of the ground, shoot laser beams at people that were actually filaments that took blood, caused serious medical problems for a lot of them. And those people have been quiet, the victims, the people who are targeted, haven't been on camera. I've heard many UFO people whine, oh, I know all about this. Well, really? That's a pretty impressive knowledge base because I've been at this a long time. I know a lot of stuff. And if you're telling me you knew everything in that and you're our UFO God because I didn't know it. I learned stuff every step of the way, you know.

That was amazing to see you learn that and like to have these people come forward for the first time. Yeah, man, look, this is just like I learned a lot from watching it. Like I don't know. It'll always be up there on Netflix or until the contract for it is out. But like you should watch it. People should watch it. I learned a lot. It's entertaining, but it was really cool seeing you. So, but anyway, so I also want to say real quick, so I got a friend. He's been on our show. His name is Chris Ramsey, and he's a very famous magician and like puzzle solver guy, but one of the most impressive human beings that I've met because of his desire and his hunger for the truth. So I'm known to once in a while jump on Twitter

and start doing a bunch of tweets, you know, and people, I know I'm hard to read. I don't know if that's by design. I have to see a psychologist. I don't know. But I said this whole thing about, oh, truth, truth, truth. Chris tells the truth. I posted some video. Oh, truth, truth, truth. I don't know what I was doing. And then he goes on Vetted Today, which is a very cool podcast. This guy, I'm a fan. This guy Patrick does these daily UFO updates. And I watch that shit. And I'm like, you know, whenever I get a chance. And I watch it. I'm like, dude, this guy's added every day. And he's so insightful. Like, he noticed something about the hearing. Patrick did, unvetted. And he just like innocently said something seems weird. And he did like this little piece on it.

And I was like, oh shit, that guy is watching. So so on vetted today right before the show, Chris Ramsey goes on. I'm literally, I'm in the shower. I'm showering. And I'm watching vetted. And I see Chris. I'm like, dude, this is so cool. And he talked about something I posted online. And then and it was like, people thought it was like questioning Chris Ramsey or being dramatic intentionally about his honest. Dude, it wasn't any of that. I'm a weirdo. I was just like watching Chris's thing being like, he's in for the truth. You know, he's always told me the truth. I don't know.

I said something weird, but I just want to say on the show, Chris is a friend of mine. Like, we're texting. And I did some post because I wanted people to see his work because Chris is this like magician. So he like knows slide of hand. He knows he can read people. He's a mentalist. He did all these great series on remote viewing.

Like, man, the guy's amazing. And he's a big guy, like a fucking warrior. I'd love to wrestle that guy because I used to wrestle and fight bigger guys. Anyway, that guy's a good dude. And I really believe he's for the truth. I was just trying to highlight people should watch his work. But I guess I do things in weird ways sometimes. So I just want to say, fan-avetted, Patrick, keep it up.

You noticed something in Congress that other people did it. And you did it quick. And it really impressed me. And then Chris, yeah, dude, keep. keep it up. We need people like you. So that's just my message. And then last thing to close out, there was a podcast. And these people from ABC called me. I'm like ABC and they're like Australian broadcasting company. I was like, okay, you want to talk? UFOs? Like, yeah, please. I'm like, I love talking UFOs. Let's do it. It's like three hours, right? It was like, great. I just get on a Zoom.

I talk to people and want to talk about UFOs. I knew they were recording it, but I didn't know how cool their series was going to be. It starts off, George, with this dude in Australia with what they called, you notified this to me in your Netflix series. They used to call them saucerness. I'd never heard that before. So they start the whole series in episode one and two of

season four, and it's called I think it's called Expanse and Season 4 is called Uncroped. But that's the one. And, man, I listened to it. One of your friends, George, Keith Basterfield, who's like this badass investigator out of Australia who like has been after this forever dude he was fantastic and he was on there but here's the

deal i listened to the first couple episodes and i'm like i think i'm on this one and they um talk about these saucer nests and talk about the shame people feel and how it ruined their lives i'm like where is this going this is making me upset then they get funny as hell they have me on they talk about me hearing for the first time about UFOs bob lazar listening to my boom box under my covers It was 1988, 1989. I don't know. George Knapp comes through as Bob Lazar. I'm like, dude, this is interesting. I'm learning about my own experience.

Then they start some episode where I put on some pink shirt and I walk out the door to go to Congress. And there's George Knapp being like, okay, Barbie, time to change. It was fucking hilarious. So I really recommend people go listen to all five episodes of this. I don't even know who really made it, but it's called Expans. And it's season four called Uncrop. Check it out, dude. It's really good.

I'm going to check that out or fall asleep to it sometimes. All right. I think we've covered enough ground for today, don't you think? We need to revisit our friend the jellyfish pretty soon, too. Okay. We go into that in the Netflix thing as well, and we hear from somebody's fairly important in the development of that case, that incident.

And we might be talking more about that soon. It seems to have picked up a little steam and momentum on social media of late. Okay, so we'll talk about jellyfish. We'll talk about all the lies you're being told about jellyfish. And we'll wonder why, why, and by who? And that whole thing. We'll do that. But I do want to be clear, in your show, I was so careful to protect direct firsthand witnesses.

And so are you that when I watched it, they did what I asked, which is the exact words that everybody heard with audio was there. but they use somebody else's voice. I think that's so important for us to say we would never endanger a firsthand whistleblower and witness by using their real voice. Could be a male, could be female, you have no idea. But I want to be...

The people we worked with, you got to know some of them. Jake Loffer, Rick Sasson, Angus James, they kept their word. They're really talented television producers. The team that traveled with us, I mean, it was a big team. We had maybe 10 people we took to Brazil and it was even more than that

and a couple of Mexico jaunson but they kept their word they protected our source they did as we asked in dealing with the jellyfish You don't even know our sources on that but that one where those were exact words so Jake Angus and Rick

they did what they said they protected things and I want to thank them and they did you right George they really showed a beautiful way of what you're doing so I do have a lot of respect for them now that they've proven it right that they've proven they could make a show like that and tell the truth. So yeah, hats off. Okay. Taking a day off tomorrow, maybe spend time with my wife, get to reintroduce myself to my cats, and you take it easy

and we'll catch up soon. Hey man, easy does it with a grim reaper and a beer. You know that's what I'm going to do. All right. Never has so few had so much to tell, but would say so little.