WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Sleeping Dog And The UFO Files - The Biggest UFO File Drop Ever Goes Public

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Watch SLEEPING DOG movie here : https://geni.us/SleepingDog It took a mere 24 hours for a whopping 500 million people to find and dive into a new online repository of UFO files and videos. That number will likely double in a matter of days. The public response is even more amazing in light of a substantial pre-bunking campaign launched by the usual suspects on social media, along with legions of UAP newcomers who loudly proclaimed their profound outrage and disappointment before a single document or video was actually released. (Moaning, groaning, and digital caterwauling by UFO folk are essential and inevitable reactions to any and all new developments related to the topic.) The documents and videos released onto the DOW website do not constitute anything approaching full disclosure or total transparency. Anyone who expected to see crashed saucers or alien bodies on Day One of the UFO initiative must be either naive newcomers or devoted disruptors. The public was told in advance by Rep. Tim Burchett to lower expectations for the first release. His advice was prescient. He expects greater transparency in future releases. In an amazing but greatly appreciated coincidence, the voluminous info drop from the federal UFO files came on the same day that a new documentary film was first unveiled to the public. Director Michael Lazovsky’s emotionally powerful deep dive into UFO journalism, Sleeping Dog, debuted. The film documents the essential role of journalists in the search for truth and transparency. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp review the impact of the DOW releases, the background behind particular UAP videos, and informed speculation about what might come next. Segments of this episode were recorded live at the premiere of Sleeping Dog and include candid admissions and insights from the director. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WeaponizedClips 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.com 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com ••• SLEEPING DOG : https://SleepingDogMovie.com ••• FOLLOW JEREMY ON SOCIAL https://x.com/JeremyCorbell https://Instagram.com/JeremyCorbell https://Facebook.com/JeremyCorbell JEREMY'S WEBSITE https://ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com ••• FOLLOW GEORGE ON SOCIAL https://x.com/G_Knapp https://Instagram.com/GeorgeKnapp66 https://Facebook.com/George.Knapp.125 GEORGE'S WEBSITE https://MysteryWire.com ••• *Production by Michael Lazovsky https://MichaelLazovsky.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's the role of journalism? I mean, the kind of stuff that Jeremy's been doing, putting it all on the line to try to get to the truth about what happens. I wish there was more of it on other issues that involved. The first 10 years that I was doing this, I'm going through the same stuff that you're going through now. Bouncing off the walls, up and down, peaks in valleys, scared shitless, worried about what comes next.

Corbelle is an investigative journalist who helped detain and release the DOD footage of UFOs. I'm afraid he's going to die. Years ago, I went searching for the truth about U.S. and I found it. To really understand the full picture, I'm going to start where it all began. They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies. The world I lived in the position of trust I had at the highest levels being briefed into all the national secrets. They're not going to come after you, not only you, they're going to come after your family. If I die, the story comes out.

When things are going really bad and there's been periods of real bad ups and downs. Is that the best you got? This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from Las Vegas. Jeremy Corbell, my friend, colleague. How you doing? Pretty good, man, you know, overworked, underpaid. Here we go. There's really nothing to talk about though right now, right? No news. Man, if we only knew what was going to happen before it happened, we actually did find out you and me. I think first we found out right after the meeting occurred and, you know, if you know, found out that the government was going to start releasing their files. I posted something on X. It'll be, you know, tomorrow. And I was fingers crossed. They didn't get bad intel. But we got it

from both sides of that discussion. So that was pretty amazing to happen at this time. I didn't realize you had that kind of juice with President Trump that he would do this document dump, UFO files on the same day that you premiere this new film. I mean, I think it's pretty cool that Trump and his administration do this big UFO dump on the same day that you. you and Michael Izzovsky are premiering your film. That is true. It's not smoking dog, sleeping dog. That was, yeah, that was coincidental.

It's a good coincidence, though. I mean, we had a chance, and people will see our conversation at the premiere of Sleeping Dog. Yeah. Coming up in this episode, but I think we better cover a little bit about what was in those files that were released. I started seeing the caterwauling, the whining, the moaning, the clutching of pearls, people going into

conibption fits. Oh, my gosh, this is terrible. It's trying to pre-bunk it, debunk it before they've even seen it. It's going to be a nothing burger. It's nothing. It will amount to nothing. And that built as the release got closer, the volume of that. And then after it was released, it was like it was almost an organized campaign to try to diminish

what was unfolding there. I mean, that is typical, you know, kind of what we'll see in UFO land. But I think when you're looking at the greater public, you know, there is no time in history when there was a presidentially ordered release of UFO files. I mean, you tell us. But, I mean, they said they weren't studying them, nothing to see here, move on. Now, just looking at these files, you obviously see that they have been studying them in depth and the reports were in there.

and whatever this first launch of data is, no matter how valuable people think it is, it's a symbol, I think, of a real opportunity. If we push and we push, we know the files are there. Just give us the good ones. You know, I recognize a lot of the stuff that was in there. The written files, for example, the Nathan Twining memo, which was one of the first documents that I read when I started down this road that led me to believe there really is something to this, because memos back and forth written in the Pentagon with intelligence agencies

included in the mailing list, when they didn't know there would eventually be a Freedom of Information Act 30 years later, they're very candid in assessing this threat, if it is a threat. I mean, these are not ours. They're not visionary or fictitious. They're very candid in sharing opinions that this is something that's important. So I know that the folks who want to diminish the importance of this release would say, oh, that's been out forever. And some of these videos have been out before. I think they're missing the boat. Is the process is the story. The president orders this? We didn't know if anybody'd follow through or what they might release. But it is a process. It's ordered from the top. First time this has happened, I think it's a big deal.

Even if the individual files and videos are not spectacular, they don't show us any alien bodies, which, if you were expecting alien bodies on the first part of the release, I say your expectations need to be tampered down a little bit. The stuff that was there, you know, what, there's 330 million Americans. If 329 million of those have not seen any of this stuff before, because they don't spend their lives investigating UFO stuff, reading UFO books, diving into UFO foie files. They don't.

And now there's one place where they can look at it and get up to speed on it. I think it was a spectacular success. I hope that they continue to drop more piles of, stuff as they promised to do. And eventually, who knows how far it will go. I mean, I think you and I have talked about it before. If anything short of, here's the alien bodies, is going to get more whining from UFO people, right? Yeah. I mean, here's my observation about it, is that you get this huge dump of documents. Now, some of them, you know, they've been out before. You're talking about the twining memo. So I didn't go through all the documents. There's a lot of them. People are fixated

on the videos, but the documents really speak volumes. And the fact that the average typical American who's in pop culture reading this and whoever's going to cover at Time Magazine or whatever, People magazine, they're going to see that there's just a trove of a document trail to the UAP UFO thing. And I think that's what flipped you back in the day. You realized your government had been lying to you. So the hope is the general public also gets to see this. Now, of course, inside these documents, there's going to be highly vetted things and things that are not so vetted. So a lot of times in military, you know, you get a UAP video, but that's before a full analysis. And I noticed they put some of those in there.

So let me highlight a couple of specifics for everybody that I think are important. So as an example, inside of these documents were like the Baghdad Phantom. Let's use that as an example. That is something that we reported on a long time ago. We obtained and released still images. And that was from, I think, episode seven. Oh, you know which episode? Episode seven of weaponized.

So the Baghdad Phantom. So we obtained and released images. Now, we were, you know, people said, oh, you made it up. That's not real. You know, you forged the photos. And then they got over that. We gave enough information in the background about the case. Oh, my gosh.

Did that provoke the actual video now? even though we had images we strung together like a video. This is our government releasing the video. So I would have to think that they were kind of forced to say, well, the public knows about this case. So let's print this out. In fact, I think they kind of found out about it. I know they found out about it through us

because there's a bottleneck in Centcom where a lot of these UFO files and sightings and even when they're shot at, they get kind of bottlenecked there before they get to proper reporting So I know for a fact that Arrow got that only because of our reporting. So the fact that's out there now, the video in this, they call it tronks or whatever that means, I don't know what that means.

I mean this big dump of files means the process works. Journalism works, putting the pressure on works. So that was to me like this really moment of like, oh my gosh, this is working. The more we push, the more we're going to get. So don't let up. Keep going. But I'll give you another example. when we released the instantaneous acceleration, so that is Syria 2021 UAP.

Now, that video was one that nobody wanted out because that was not just a video. That was our government's official analysis and examination of that case. And you remember, we had Logan on and he was getting come out by intelligence agencies, you know, asking where did we get that? Because he actually had ordered that analysis. But the difference in that is that you have a full government analysis of that Fleer footage and they determined not shadow of a doubt. Like that is, they call it apparent instantaneous acceleration. Everybody can see that with their own eyes.

Now, I do got to say, there is much better footage. So the question is, why isn't that just put out initially? Maybe it's a slow acclamation process. Maybe they're thinking they can get away with just sending out some of the okay videos. but the real great footage is that which has multi-sensor data starting with satellite imagery. And I know that's sensitive. And I know in the United States, we don't want people to know how well we can look at their assets. But that information visually would change public opinion beyond any of the videos that have already come out.

My hope is that this is a true process that's occurring. And it's a slow acclamation. And we're going to get better, more, and more. varied. You know, we can prove to the American public that the UAP thing, they're hard physical craft and they're doing things that we certainly can't, like the instantaneous motion or instantaneous acceleration video. So, I think that we released as well, an image is still image of what we called the chandelier. Now we know there's video, right? Right, right. Well, we reported there was video and then now people get it. There's another example. A lot of discussion about that. I mean,

People attempting to debunk it, of course, it's a, you know, something, a flare on a parachute, which is pretty weak. And then even religious discussions about and similar cases that have been reported in the past. But that got a lot of attention. And people who had watched Weaponized should not have been entirely surprised that the video was out there. I forgot about that. Yeah. So that's an interesting one because there was not a full government examination other than within closed intel circles. And this is what Lazar always talked about.

You got to get stuff out, the data out, so that it can have the brightest and best minds on it to determine. It's still UAP. It's unidentified. They did spend some time on it. And I'm unconvinced by what I've seen online. You got people going on both sides. Point of the fact is this. We obtain and we release if we can validate that it's labeled UAP and government files.

What it is, and we only had a still image. What it is, don't know. But a lot will be like that. It's going to take the world engaged. the data, but I hope our government realizes that we have some great sleuths out there online and that if they do put out some of the stuff that is ambiguous, that people can help with that. However, again, I've got to come back to the fact of this. We have craft that they say are N-H-I, and we have been exploiting them for technologies.

It's been happening for a long time. There's been a cover-up, even bodies, not just pilots. I mean, bodies, non-human, NHA bodies. That was testified to in Congress by David Grush. So that's the stuff people want. They want to see the autopsy reports of aliens. And I do have a little bit of hope in a weird way. Let me just get through this.

If you look at what President Trump said, he led with the word aliens. If you look at his statement about transparency, he led with that, like information about aliens. So like, maybe, maybe we're just getting the beginning of it. And there's going to be a lot more. What do you think, George? Well, I think he ended with Have Fun, which is not real. Well, it is fun chasing this stuff sometimes, but it's serious, a little more serious than have fun. You know, something that jumped out of me was NASA.

So it hasn't received much attention, but NASA's administrator put out a letter saying, boy, oh boy, we're so happy to be going along with this new transparency movement. NASA has not exactly been friendly to the UFO topic over the years. anyone who's tried to file a FOIA request with them would be able to testify to that. I recall that back when I was producing a project and needed some footage from NASA, space missions, just regular stuff that's public. It's public produced by tax dollars. I should have no problem accessing it or using it, but they wouldn't cough it up, wouldn't give permission. I had to get Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to intervene, give them a call, and they coughed it up.

but if you ever filed a FOIA request with them, you would know what I mean. But they release some stuff that's been out before. But it hasn't been out released under presidential authority. So tens of millions, 500 million people haven't paid attention to it. Mercury 7. We've got a bogey that the voice says. I think it's Jim Lovell. And then some of the stuff from Apollo 11, speculation about what they may have seen.

Apollo 17. I'm glad that stuff came out. I'm glad it gets a new viewing by the public. And although some of that has been. been out there. It's not been debunked. It's tried to be explained because NASA does a pretty good job of pouring cold water on any suggestion that there's life out there. I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson jump in. I still haven't seen any evidence of extraterrestrials, which is not necessarily the point of the release. I don't know what the evidence for extraterrestrials would be other than maybe the

bodies. And even if we saw them, it wouldn't show us necessarily where they came from. But if, if You know, the people who use that, I want to see aliens. I want to see ETs and anything short of E.T. evidence. It means this is a failure of some sort. And it's a false dichotomy. It's creating false expectations and parameters. There's a lot of evidence that was released there that can be digested by people all over the world for the next several weeks, months, years. And I can't wait to see what comes in the next dump.

Now, Tim, our friend, Representative Tim Burchett, had tried to temper expectations. He said, wow, I've seen some pretty spectacular stuff in secure briefings. And he hints that he tried to make people realize that this first batch would not necessarily blow up the world. But he promises that there's good stuff that's still going to be coming. Do we know if the kinds of things that we have seen are on that list? For example, Congress has this list of 46 videos. I think maybe, you know, we're somewhat familiar with that list. but there's another little list there that seems unlikely that they will get it without some

kind of an order from the White House that declassifies that stuff. What do you think? Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting to me in those initial calls the day before, right before I did the ex post, the idea was like maybe they'd released like a video. And I was kind of pushing back on that, you know, saying, look, you might be surprised and a little bit behind the eight ball if you don't kind of do better. I think they were they were planning to do a good number of videos. I mean, that that takes a little bit of time to get all those together. Okay, the 46 videos in particular. I hope they're going to release them all. We heard from Rep Luna. She said, oh, we're getting those out. We're releasing them. Even Representative Eric Berluson said he's going to use his congressional

powers to be able to do that in real time while on the floor. So that makes me think they have them, right now those 46 videos are from sensitive servers however as i said before some of the greatest footage is going to be stuff that is they call i sr it's basically like um like satellite satellite's going to be the best stuff it would take a higher order of declassification and i'm sure that takes a little bit of time but look the bagdad phantom i was reading there there's an actual report which which i never got to see. There's an actual report, and it's a mission report. If you really slew through it, and I found it and posted about it, you get to read all the details about it. You also read in that document. That would have been declassified in 2047. So here we are today. What year is it,

2026. So we got a little bit of a head start. So it can be done. Things are over classified. So I don't know, George. I don't know what they're going to put out in the next release, but I do know that journalism is going to keep doing its thing with you and me and that they should, you know, be aware that it's time to go. It's time to go. I've seen debunkers, typical debunkers, names that pop up all the time on this topic and then a new batch of them that have never appeared before who have explained that all of these videos have been seen before and all of them have been debunk. Now, we've both know that in UFO world, a video becomes debunk because someone says it's debunked, and then everybody gets to repeat that it's debunked. I'm not sure that it's fair to say that all

of these have been made public before and that they've all been debunk. These came through Arrow. Arrow's stamp is on some of this stuff. I don't know how much of a role they had in it, but it looked like to me from reading some of the language around the videos that they had considered them unresolved. Yeah, and I don't know. I hope they didn't put everything through Arrow to figure out if they can or should put it out because that's a major problem because we know Arrow is a counterintelligence operation that is hiding from the American public, you know, the big deal, the big truth. Again, if we're to believe any of the whistleblowers that came up, especially David Grush, then, you know, this is just fodder.

The whole point of our exploitation programs, our reverse engineering programs, and the bodies, you know, that's where, you know, hopefully one day this will be going. But it's okay if it's slow as long as we got movement going forward. I think that's the key, right? Well, like we said, the drop happened Friday, which is the same day that this excellent new movie, Sleeping Dog, was premiered in Southern California. Yeah. And so, you know, we're on stage.

You get to talk to the audience that was there, an invited audience about the film, but also the news of the day. So we recorded some of that. And I think we're going to show it now, right? Yeah. And I do think it's important to know because it's already out. New York posted an article about it.

People reviewed and seen the film that you and I do have part of our process as journalists in that film. This film is about journalism. I think Michael Lozofsky kind of makes that very clear. However, there is some UFO information in there, obviously. And part of that is you get to see glimpses of eight videos that the world has never seen.

And we allowed that in the film just so that people could see the process that you and I kind of go through. It can be extreme at times and the resistance that we've been up against. But I will say that many of those are out of those 46 videos. So I would like our government to release the complete. complete right from the file each of those videos. Because, you know, journalism, when we do this, we're doing it as accountability because it is a public interest. But here's an opportunity. Don't you think this is an opportunity? I guess everybody's going to watch in the Pentagon, the sleeping dog anyway. Well, yeah, I would hope so. And if they were debating about which of those

46 they're going to release and which they might hold back, I would think now that they know that someone out there in the wild has at least eight of them, probably more, it might give them a little nudge to go ahead and let the public see. Have nothing. Have nothing. No possession. Access from time to time goes in front of our eyes. We've been familiar with them. Yeah. Familiar. Yeah. But that is actually true. So here's the deal. Yeah, we did this Q&A. Let's check that out. Michael made a great move, even though for me it was a little painful at times, really showed kind of your and my choice together to make this decision with our journalism, which we did a while ago, but you get to see it in real time. Let's check out the Q&A with director Michael Lozowski.

Okay, check it out. So what I want to do right now, thank you for coming to Ohio. I want you to meet Michael Lozowski. Michael made this film. I didn't want him to. I was angry about it. He fought me for years. And he is one of the most talented, trustworthy, handsome individual I ever met.

but really he decided to do this and he got my mom raise your hand where are you at Wesley? Michael did the impossible which is get me and George to trust him with this shit

and I don't know what's going to happen because of based on what happened today so I'm going to give it over now to Grant because he's a professional journalist unlike me so he's going to talk to you a little bit about George and what's been going on with Michael and go ahead

Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, thank you, George, for being here, too, who, uh, Rep Berlison recently called one of the last great journalists in America, which is a huge honor. But I want to ask, you know, as much as this film is about the UAP phenomenon and UFOs, at the real core of it, it's about the role of journalism in America today.

And it's about, you know, each of you have played a different, role in this process. You know, Michael, you've now made a documentary, documenting reality, you know, Germany, you've done the podcast, you've done your films, and George, you've been involved in investigative journalism, you know, throughout the years. I want to ask, what is the role of journalism now in America, and where is the line that you guys face? I can't imagine a time when it's been more important, and I can't imagine a time in my life when it's seen it do less. It's a tumultuous world and it just seems like journalism has rolled over to play dead and major news organizations have been gobbled up by billionaires and they're not doing shit to cover really important

issues or they're both sidesism or give a deference to the corporate overlords who now control so many of the major journalism platforms I would never believe I would see it in my lifetime the kind of things that have happened to journalism now so if it comes down to independent journalists like what Jeremy and Michael and Grant have done, so be it. You know, you've got to carry on here. There's all kinds of really big, important stories that affect all of our lives every day. UFOs are not, is not that kind of a story. It's the biggest story of all, but it's not a front burner issue for anyone. There's always something more pressing, paying your rent, having a job, raising your kids, you know, everyday life stuff, the price of gas, the price of

food. All those things take precedent. This will be the big. biggest story. It is the biggest story, but it's not the most pressing story. But there are pressing stories, and I'm ashamed of journalism what's happening to colleagues of mine and news organizations that I've always been proud to even associate with. So what's the role of journalism? I mean, the kind of stuff that Jeremy's been doing, putting it all on the line to try to get to the truth on matters. And I wish there was more of it on other issues that involve all of us. You know, I want to ask you, Michael, how did this go from becoming a biopic about Jeremy's life to documenting the reality as it's unfolding so many changing events? Was there a pivotal moment where you realized I can't just tell his story? I have to tell the ongoing story.

Yeah. First, thank everybody for coming. I want to thank Stephen is here. He shot the film. He's a DP and Joe King. He's under the EP and as well, Rebecca. My wife, she helped produce it. And Jim. Martin is somewhere here. He's been amazing. Yeah, so I think, you know, I was a producer on Weaponized, and I realized at a certain point that when the cameras were turned off, the really interesting conversation started. And, you know, so I asked Jeremy,

and I knew that Jeremy had a bunch of, like, films that he had never released and a lot of footage and archive that goes back years. So I kind of asked him for it, and he gave it to me over time. We built trust. and I went through a lot of it and it was hundreds of hours of John Lear like doing nothing and Edgar Mitchell and it was really hard to form a story

but then I started seeing what was going on in the real world and you know that's where the story was it was really what was happening with Jeremy and George and what he was going through John Lear eats a lot doesn't he? Oh he does yeah yeah there's a lot of eating that was included in the movie

years of eating Yeah. I want to ask you, is there anything you had to cut from, you know, so many decades of footage that you're going through? You didn't make it into the film that you're like, damn, I wish I got it got it out in there. There's so much. And I was telling Jeremy, like there's so much of John Lear, all these people. Visit BetMGM Casino and check out the newest exclusive. The Price is Right Fortune Pick.

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And so now that we're talking about John Lear, some of the great footage in that movie, All three of you have now had different interactions with John Lear at different points and in different ways. And so I'd love to get each of your thoughts, you know, you going through the movie and seeing the footage, you know, getting the start through him and all your experiences, George is meeting him and where it's gone from there. John Lear is my entry point to the topic. He walked into the news station one day with a stack of documents and he had helped my mentor, Ned Day, and Bob Stodall, our news director, break a big story. the existence of a plane that was invisible to radar that was out being tested and developed in the Nevada desert. And so he had credibility with us. The famous Lear name, of course, got him in the door, and he dropped a stack of these documents on the desk of Ned Day.

They says, Ned, this is the biggest story in history, is your next big exclusive. You've got to take a look at this stuff. Slides the documents across Ned's desk. He starts reading a couple of them, reads for maybe four or five minutes. It's UFO documents. some of which were legit from FOIA requests and some of which were of questionable origin then slides it back a couple minutes later

this can't be true if this is true I'd already know about it typical kind of a journalistic attitude and I'm eavesdropping John dejectedly starts walking out of the newsroom and I said hey let me take a look at that stuff and at the time you saw those clips of when I had dark hair I produced this and hosted this show called On the Record

30-minute talk show airs at 7 o'clock in the morning on a Saturday or Sunday. Typical guest is a county commissioner or city councilman. Nobody watched it. I put Lear on. So what the heck? Let's see what happens here. Oh my God. This stuff starts pouring out of his mouth.

And as I got to know him better, you know, the stories became more outrageous. 93 races of aliens living on the sun, for example. That was a tough one to swallow. And I knew, all right, he's really. interesting guy. And like Jeremy, I learned that some of the things that he said could be checked out and were true. And some of them were just so outrageous. So you had to sort of take him with a grain assault. But John was my entry point. I start reading and every book I could find. I had never paid attention to the story before. And then it was the trail of government documents, really.

I figured if this is true and there really is a paper trail of government documents and and they confide to each other behind the scenes in memos and reports that it's real and it's advanced and it's not us, then it's worth digging into. That led to Bob Lazar, and eventually that led to Jeremy Corbelle. And I mean, Michael, how did you balance these kind of dual sides of John Lear? He knows so much. He goes way out every once in a while, too. How did you kind of figure out how to build a narrative around him that's, you know, both trustworthy and fun, but also out there entirely? Yeah, so I never met John Lear, but I got to know him through the footage Jeremy mostly had recorded and the camera doesn't like has just things that you wouldn't normally probably see. So through that process, again, hours and hundreds of hours of footage of John Lear, you know, I felt like I got to know him, but at a point in his life, it wasn't the whole history.

It was kind of like when Jeremy was in 2013, I think, started 2011, started filming with John Lear. And I found actually a lot of parallels with actually Jeremy's experience. He cold called John Lear. I reached out to Jeremy in a cold email. He never made me, you know, fix a sink or anything. Jeremy did. But, you know, I was sort of like understanding actually Jeremy and John and the relationship through all of that footage. Right on.

You know, George, I want to ask you to, what were some of your first impressions meeting Jeremy? What were some of the first things that went through your head? And how has it changed over time now that, you know, the life you guys have lived together? Well, a couple things. One, I learned that he was persistent because I would get these messages that he had called. This guy called again, huh? And I'm pretty, for a reporter, I'm pretty hard to get a hold of. I don't answer my phone and I don't answer my door anymore.

A lot of it has to do with the kinds of challenges that Jeremy talks about in this film. Is it UFO people are pretty crazy, you know, and sometimes dangerous. And there are death threats. It kind of comes with the turf, not just with this topic, but other topics. And so I try to be careful. I have layers of insulation at the TV station who run interference for me. But Jeremy kept calling. All right, God damn it.

This guy will quit. All right. Tell him, I'll call him back. And then he spits out, I forget it. It must have to spit out like five minutes of material in about 40 seconds. You can make the pitch, Jeremy, if you, when they hand you the, the, microphone but talking really fast I could see okay I took a breath and then I gave him a download and I guess it was pretty good because he was pretty hooked on at that point

and he came to my house and I was pretty sure he was O&I Office Enable Intelligence or maybe CIA I know he's not CIA I'm not convinced about the O and I part of it now still but yeah he was obviously very enthusiastic he put a lot of time in working with John Lear and look I've spent a lot of time with John Lear and look I've spent a lot of time with Lear. And by the time Jeremy got to see him, I was living within a half a mile a Lear. So over the years, I love John Lear, I miss him, but I'd also had my fill. So I was happy to see somebody else taking a shot down that road. Yeah, then we got to know each other and socialized a bit, and I went out to the desert and shot some guns and blew things up and drank beers and got to know

his wife and Katrina, who really does exist. We've learned. And so, you know, it's went from there. And I just know he works really hard. I don't think anybody can imagine how hard he works and how many hours it takes. I know, you know, anybody who's in this field and in this topic, you get pretty much creamed every day on social media platforms by brave people on X, or formerly Twitter.

And it comes with the territories. You have to kind of develop thick skin, which he did over. time. And you kind of have to ignore some of what goes on in the public arena. But we developed a relationship of working really well together. He was courageous. He's willing to take risks. He's worked hard to develop sources, which is the most important thing a journalist can do. Work hard to develop sources who learn to trust you. And of course, the secret to being trustworthy is to actually be trustworthy and act. This episode is brought to you by Activia. You might already be eating yoga.

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And Michael, I want to ask too, how different was it putting a film together versus putting a podcast together? I'm sure they give you so much material, you know, these different conversations, but what is the difference between those two processes? Yeah, I think with a film you're looking for a story, whereas a podcast, it's more of a conversation. So I think that's a difference really when when structuring it. But I found this to be a very real raw, like I was capturing something that was really scary as well. So I've never really felt that way doing weaponize as I did, like just following Jeremy around for days and seeing what he actually goes through. And so I guess let's address the elephant in the room. Either somebody has the best PR agent of all time or it's an example.

Incredible synchronicity, but as most of you are sure, no, we just got an insane amount of, you know, files released about almost 200 pages worth. There's been, I think, something about 25 videos that have come out today. I'm wondering if you guys have gone through these files at all. Have you seen anything? Is there anything that stands out to you? And is this an important moment for the disclosure narrative altogether? No, no, George, man. Well, I haven't seen it all.

I've seen a lot of it read it this afternoon and watch the videos. And I think there's no smoking gun in there, but it's this really significant time and a really significant start of a process, I think. I didn't know that President Trump was such a fan of Jeremy that who could schedule this release on the same day in the film premieres. But we want to thank him for that to put him into credits, Michael. It is a nice little touch for a premiere of a movie

to have all this stuff come out on the same day. There isn't a smoking gun, but it's interesting. There's interesting stuff, and some of it might be familiar to those of you who watch Weaponized because there's some of that, but it's that we released. And they gave us a little bit of a hard time about it and made fun of it. There was one we called The Chandelier that came out in January of 2024, and even the pro-UFO people gave us crap about it. And there it is in the video that's released.

So we told them it was a video. Maybe they can come up with some kind of an explanation for it, but our government, our military, and intelligence people who've had this stuff, thought it was a real UAP. That's what they labeled it as. So it was kind of cool to see that. There's another video that we made public earlier this year, this Syrian video that shows what seems to be instantaneous acceleration. If you're reading the list of the videos that were dug up out of the ground there, you might have noticed that one. We made that public a little bit ago, and it is one of the videos. that members of Congress are asking for.

They came up with a list of 26 particular videos. Somebody must have told them where these things are hidden, on which servers. I don't know who that could be. But they got very specific information. They know where it is, and they've alerted the Department of War that nothing had better happened to those videos before Congress gets to see him.

So there's a lot of really interesting things going on. The fact that President Trump directed this, whatever his level of interest is in the topic, topic, I'm not really sure. The fact that you directed these agencies to get on it and release this stuff is really a positive thing. And I don't know if we will ever see this smoking gun from them, but just the fact that it comes with sort of the good housekeeping seal of approval from the government, this is real stuff from our files, is a major step. It's a really big deal. And I hope the process continues. I suspect it will because if it doesn't. I think there are people

in Congress and they give them a really bad time. But it's an exciting. thing thing. I never thought I would see in my life to have the government talking about this and a president order the release of files. There's a lot of really great stuff that has not been released and we know for sure that is great stuff. And if it doesn't come out one way, it'll come out the other. And I think the last time, you know, Jeremy and George were at the Ohio Playhouse, the big story was the New Jersey drones, which we didn't get a lot of information on. Now it seems like the top story in the media is the missing scientists, you know, people who've worked on different projects. There's a clip in the documentary that talks about a potential whistleblower coming

forward where, you know, they were killed or died or, you know, circumstances came up. I'm wondering, you know, with all this attention onto these missing scientists, is there something to that story? Are there people we should be paying attention to over others? What are your thoughts on it? I've kind of dodged that story. I thought General McCasland disappearing is pretty interesting and then folks go looking for other similar cases and they start finding them. I'm not sure all those are really related. I think that journalists are taking initiative and including the deaths of scientists. I mean, there's a lot of scientists. People do die and they do kill themselves and I just, I haven't been down that road to where I could say

this one seems legit and this one doesn't, but I think that story is a little bit exaggerated in terms of the number of different people who've been roped into it. Now, the fact that people in media, in our profession, are talking about the deaths of scientists and that might have something to do with working on these kinds of programs is very useful for folks who want whistleblowers to shut up. Some of the people that we have worked with, whistleblowers, people that we brought to Congress, for example,

people we've had in skiffs and talking to Congress and other key individuals, are legitimately scared. And they have a reason to be. I mean, they've been getting threats. And the threats can come in a lot of different forms. You lose your job. You know, you lose your clearance.

You can no longer work in a job that you've done your whole life. It puts a lot of pressure on people, and you can hear it in their voice when you talk to them. We were in D.C. one time to meet with a whistleblower who's in that film. And, you know, you don't want to be paranoid to think you're followed around all the time, even though we all have been followed and our phones have been tapped and you know it sounds crazy but it's true

we meet this guy we go across out of D.C. into Virginia and we meet in a park and it's early in the morning and there's this one other vehicle that's there this big Jeep big black Jeep blacked out windows and we're just thinking this doesn't feel comfortable

so we drive away we just drive when I know we're going we find this little pizza joint on the side street miles away and God damn, we come out an hour and a half later, there's that black Jeep sitting right behind us. Same damn car.

It was making it pretty obvious that they were following us, and they didn't mind us knowing. So I can see how people who are whistleblowers, who are taking what they think is a right step, making a move they think is good for the country, good for the world,

taking a risk to tell truth, and then their world comes crashing in. That's happened a lot. I don't know that, anyone has been murdered. I suspect some people have been murdered because of what they know and the risk that they might spill those beads. It's hard to prove that stuff. The people who have been keeping this secret for 80 years are really good at their job. And I would dare say they are, some of them are even better at their job than we are at ours. It's hard to keep this stuff

secret for this long. There are leaks. There are videos that come out. There are, you know, all kinds of information has come out. And again, it's never the front, issue for people like those of you here in this audience. There's always something more pressing in your own life. So you might read the story, you might pay attention to something on a newscast for five minutes, and then you go on with other things. For these whistleblowers, it's every day all the time, worried about what's going to happen when they open the front door. All right, I'm going to ask you one last question real quick, Jeremy. People are going to pause this film as they're going through it, and I think there's one slide that really stands

out in there that people are going to have a lot of questions on. I wrote it down. It's local residents should be checked if they're being symbiotically manipulated by surviving aliens. I'm wondering if you want to expand on that document at all or potentially what that means or share anything related to it. No, I don't. You know, the idea is that, you know, it's kind of like a fishing expedition, but I do want to take a second to say, I wouldn't be doing this without George Knapp. Like, you guys have seen it kind of our relationship going forward. like man I wouldn't be doing this

without George and I really appreciate the fact he's pointed to me and Grant all this stuff but George has done this from the very beginning and additionally Michael against all my will you know created this movie

and Michael you did an amazing movie like I hate it and it chose my family but you did an amazing job And I have to say, you know, to you hats off, man, really great movie. And we'll talk about it more in the future. Graham, I'm trying to avoid your question. So Saucer is here.

They made these really cool sign posters. You've got to check it out because they put some incredible art together. Tommy with the shirts for a sleeping dog. I guess still going to answer a question. You know, we could also say about Michael, Jeremy, that he has learned the journalist code, too, because he gets to hear a lot of stuff that we shouldn't be. tell anybody and and he keeps it to himself too let's focus on michael for a second this is michael's premiere it's michael's movie um michael first of all question he got nice he made an incredible

movie against all odds i mean it was not like i i told him what was the one rule okay i'm in the investigative journals what was the one rule i gave you be honest yeah be honest right don't fucking bullshit anybody be honest so um michael uh what was it was it difficult working with me and George. No, I mean, I think, I think, you know, I try to push as much as I could to get as much possible in this movie. I think it pushed you as far as possible.

And there were things that was like, it was difficult because you guys are seeing eight videos that have not been released by the government yet. So they did a huge, we should talk about that. They did a huge dump today on some videos. I got a call from the White House, a comms person for the White House, and then also from the representative investigators from Congress.

And they were telling me what's coming out. I'm like, it's not good enough. George and I and Michael put something in the movie. We're showing eight clips, eight videos from like the 46 videos you're supposed to put out. So I heard that Congress from Burleson is going to use some authorities. He's got balls the size of church bells. He's going to do something to get that stuff out. But Michael put it in his movie anyway, and here we are.

It was weird, man. You did a good job fighting against me. I found one part of a deeply disturbing, though, that, Jeremy, you're so security conscious, you had a camera inside your mom's refrigerator. Michael put a camera, my mom's refrigerator. That was a good beer that day. It was very stressed. Michael documented the worst time of my life. It's like a horror movie and a comedy all at once. Good job, Michael. Great movie. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah. Look, man, bottom line is today was a historic day. So in all your years, Georgia journalism, right? It's like today was a day when they started showing, they put out a video of a still that we put out to provoke them. We put out a still called the Chandelier UAP, and we never thought it would come out. We also put out a still of the Mosul Orb,

and it took an act of... FOIA. Forea. Foria. Dustin Slaughter to get out that video. But they straight put it out today. Are you hopeful that this footage... that you and I have been exposed to is going to come out weeks to come? Well, I think as some of the spooks and people in D.C. see this movie.

They'll realize, hey, I recognize that little clip. And let's be magnanimous about it and put it out ourselves because it's pretty clear that others have access to it now and maybe some more. I was a little, well, I'm going to say this in front of the camera, but I think maybe too much was given out in this. and it might cause us problems that we're going to have to talk about. Oh, the movie? Yeah.

You got to kill Michael. Sorry. Yeah, I think, you know, Jeremy has been saying something lately. Sorry. That's our, he's going to kill you. Yeah, I'm in trouble. No, Jeremy's been saying something that, you know, things are provoked, not planned. So I think this movie is going to provoke a lot of things.

If you guys watch it again, watch closely. There's a lot in this movie. I think a lot more, you know, we didn't want this to be like. one image or one thing there's a lot throughout the entire film that I think will provoke a lot of things so yeah thank you everybody for coming out tonight's the first time i've seen it i haven't been seen it before so i thought it was terrific hey it's a big day for those who are interested in this topic do we have time for any questions here yeah let's do one or two if they're not crazy don't give me something crazy who's got a burning question come on man gino what's up you

you fucker. First of all, by the way, Senior Chief Wiggins is here. He testified in front of Congress. He raised his head as an active Navy guy at the last UFO hearing the day before Charlie Kirk got shot. Senior Chief Wiggins is here,

and I'm grateful for you being here, Senior Chief, right? By the way, he's also a good example of what happens to people who step forward. We're not telling that part of the story yet, but, I mean, he has consequences. He's the only way.

as a result of being testified before Congress under oath. We have his back. Matt Brown and Dylan Borland, you guys, you're going to hear a lot more from them soon. So just know those guys are telling it like it is, and they've taken a big risk to come forward, and you're going to hear a lot more from them within the next third days.

Hey, can you hear me? Yep, yes. Hey, I've got a tough question for you guys, but if anybody can take a crack at it, it's you all. Michael, it's you. about Dr. Lakatsky's work suggesting consciousness is unified trying to awaken itself through us. Jeremy, what does he say is the single most important shift

each person needs to make right now, not intellectually, but practically, to participate in the awakening before the old system collapses, especially in light of disclosure happening today? So he's George's friend for a long time. I think George will be best to explain what Dr. Lackatsky might think about that. He's not real great with how-to listing the steps and direct advice for the planet and the human population to move on to the next step. He just is great at telling us we're going to have to get around doing it. I suspect that we're going to be having conversations with him where we're going to drill down into some of that real soon.

And, you know, he's a brilliant guy, and he's been deep in the inside. He's seen one of the craft that we've got stashed away somewhere. But trying to get him to go further than the line of the sand that has been drawn for him is pretty hard, as Jeremy has demonstrated unweaponized both times we had him on there. You know, I wish I knew how to answer that. You know, the last time we talked to him, he said something really interesting. That interview that we saw, that was shot up downstairs in my house five or six years ago, when he was just thinking about coming out and being on camera.

And he's now shared with us this idea is that the paranormal stuff that we all thought was sort of a side effect of seeing UFOs around, even at Skinwalker Ranch and places like that. The weird creatures and things like that, they speculated for a long time. Maybe this is a result of the propulsion system, or radiation or something that we see wolfmen and things like that. But now he thinks the UFOs are a subset of the paranormal.

And I think paranormal is one word for it. The other one is consciousness. It's a kind of a buzzword in UFO world. People who don't know what they're talking about will say it's all about consciousness and have no idea about what that means. But that all of this stuff, all this weirdness, comes from something much bigger than all of us. Maybe it goes back to Bob Lazar and containers of souls or something like that along those lines.

But, you know, I hope that Jim Lekatsky will be able to be more specific and answer your question because I just did a really piss poor job of it. George is going to have Dauphilackey back on very soon to talk about it. Despite how I grilled. I'll ask him that. Yeah. Yeah, despite how I grilled him last time on weaponized. He's going on with George on coast to coast. So that's good.

It seems like you guys are changing culture more than anyone else. on the planet right now. All the hard work you're all doing about everyone in the air. We've watched this unfold. I mean, it's mind-boggling the scale of what's occurring. Is that Wonka?

Where's Wonka? I know you're here, Russ. Who asked a question that big? Kudos to an excellent production. Thank you so much for your ongoing work. Can you hear me? Yes. Specifically, George, you'll be remembered, sir,

when this gets further down the road. road, as will you all. Specifically, can you address the funding mechanisms to this film and whether or not Pierre Thiel or anybody else from Sirfon Valley? You're fucking hilarious,

bitch. They called a, no, it was a sweat, they called a sweat equity production, I think, is the proper term, but it was not funded. I wish we were. We only had one camera. Yeah, so if we had three or more, I mean, that would have been great. It would have made things a lot easier.

It's a fair question. Like, you know, a lot of people run by these billionaires running out about the UFO thing. Michael, I gave him 20 years of footage and Michael made a movie, then turned the cameras around. It was literally like 20 years of my life. You want to give me a receipt back for my flights, man? Like, it was self-butter. Sweat equity. Sweat equity.

The extent that Teal seems to have taken over and I sent George and Jeremy an article that I wrote today specifically addressing the role of Palantir and others in the rubber up and then I'm going problem oh look for it I don't disagree with you okay there's a lot of his money in the UFO world yeah for sure none of it is here it's not here well we're trying to get sponsors for weaponize we don't like we this is not a very it's not a profitable it is not a profitable you know I see a lot this a lot on Twitter and I unfortunately read the comments I know Jeremy doesn't but yeah people say over monetizing interviews and stuff I mean if you see how much each video

actually makes it is nothing it is nothing guys like it is not Like we fly people out, you know, I film everything. Jeremy, George flies out. He spends days of his time, right, hours to investigate. So, yeah, it is not a profitable scheme or anything. Which sucks, and we should be better at business. We're horrible grifters. But, yeah, I mean, the reality is we're independent.

You know, George's pointing the finger at us for being independent journalists. But George is, he is the nexus of that. You know, we do this all together because we think it's important. And we do our best, you know. I mean, we are really bad grifters. We put out weaponized for free. The news stories that I write are go out for free. The coast-to-coast airs for free.

We really need to get on this. Buy a shirt from Tommy tonight, you guys. And saucer. All right, you got time for one more? Yeah, where are you just... I'm roving around. Okay, okay. Okay, I don't know much about your background, Michael.

The film was amazing, and I've seen you all go through the turmoil, the intertormo that you've gone through over the years. But Michael, when you got involved in this film, like, what was your background and your interest in UFOs and UAPs? And did you get, like, what was your experience? Did you start to get freaked out, paranoid, spooked, because I would have. And I guess I just was curious as to, like, your experience to the filmmaking and understanding that they've been followed. Like, did you feel, like, how are you doing? Okay, no, I, so I was a bit of an outsider. As an example, I knew who Jeremy and George were, to an extent.

I've seen Jeremy's documentaries, but I didn't know who John Lear was before I joined Weaponized. So I was pretty ignorant when it comes to the UFO topic. I was, but I had a belief that something was greater, but I was also a skeptic. I mean, I have, you know, a skeptical side of me that is constantly, you know, hammering, oh, maybe this isn't real. And, you know, so anyways, funny story is when I was driving up to Weaponize for the first time, I remember having a thought in my head, oh, what if they shut off the cameras

and start laughing at each other? Like, I didn't know what to expect, right? But then I realized, you know, wow, this was like very real and it did get really scary. And I was mostly concerned for Jeremy. You know, there was a point where we had to, we recorded a video in a hotel room, like kind of, and Jeremy had to tell me

what would happen to the movie in case of the event of his passing. And so my background, I went to the American Film Institute. I was a directing fellow there and I was let out during the writer's strike so we had a class over there we would have to cold call three people that we looked up to and I thought that gave me a lot of confidence and we'd have to report back to our professor that gave me confidence

I called or I emailed Cole email Jeremy because he specifically says don't call or whatever email me and send a voice note so that's how I got into in touch with Jeremy but I did have the skill of editing and then I became the producer unweaponized It's great for us to be able to trust Michael. It builds up over time.

You share sensitive information with each other in open conversation, and he's never burned us. So he certainly earned that trust. Some of the things I was worried that, like I said, this is the first time I seen the film, some of the things that were leading up to, I was worried what might be next in the video because Jeremy and I end up going to extreme links sometimes

to try to find a private place to have a conversation and to share materials so that there are no prying eyes or ears. There's a scene that wasn't in this. I don't think he shot it. I don't think we'd allow him to shoot it. But when I got to see some particularly sensitive materials for the first time, and I had to sit under a sheet in this hotel room. It was out film.

Oh, God. Thank you. That's not in the archives. Holy cow. Yeah. Like a ghost. But you have to assume that your phones are tapped. and that rooms can be tapped and cars can be tapped.

And we operate under the assumption that somebody's listening or watching with pretty much everything we do. But, yeah, I mean, that's been proven to us. How many FBI in the group? Raise your hand. CIA. Yeah, okay. Yeah, man. George told me this a long time ago, and to me it was unbelievable until it started happening to me. And the thing is, is that it's so overt.

There's covert and overt. It was so overt, badged contact with OSF. FACCH contact with FBI, FADG contact with CIA. And then all of a sudden Michael kind of sees this shit going on and it became real to him. And he saw what was... I think you've done a couple of interviews about the movie.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, you know, for me, a huge turning point was, okay, there are intelligence agents, intel agents on a payroll. And this is during, I mean, there are wars in the Middle East. There's so much happening around the world. And they are spending their time on Jeremy hours and hours a day trying to,

trying to manipulate the reporting or question, try to find the sources. So the big question is why? Why are, why is there so much engagement? Why are there, someone said there's more assets on Jeremy than, than terrorists? And George. Yeah. Our lawyer was really worried about, you know, what was going on. But, hey, everything's good, guys. We're good.

We're going to go to the hug. Everybody's going to hang out. We give a big hug. Not if you're sick, go home. Otherwise, you know, give a big hug. We're good. Everything's good. So look, George and I are going to continue our reporting.

Today was a historic day. I want to just bring it back to that real picture. You can you just fucking see. What's going on? Yeah, yeah. Get up here. So we're going to end now, but I just want to say today, even for, so I'm an optimist, but George has always been kind of pessimistic because he's seen it for like 40 years.

What are you going to be told? It's cool. They put out some videos today. There are craft of non-human origin that have been reverse engineered. They have been exploited for their weapons. We have bodies. We've had people raise their hands and talk about it in Congress like David Grush. And we're seeing videos.

So I am happy. I am happy that some videos came out with that we provoked some shit. But if they don't put out the good stuff, the good stuff is coming. You have my word on that. And George, I remember, committed to this thing about journalism in America, you know? However, there's a bigger story that you're not being told. people need to be told that story. If you're not told that story, then we've missed the mark.

That's what we need to demand. And I hope it comes. Michael, great movie. Thank you for destroying my sense of, like, you know, ego looking at the movie. I appreciate you for just completely making my life a horror movie. You guys, thank you for being here. And shit, I don't know what's to say. Just like, let's see what happens in the next couple weeks, right?

All right, there you go. Well, that event was a lot of fun. That theater is a really cool building, and that whole town is a really cool place. You know, I saw, there's a lot of people in our colleagues in the UFO field who are making some pretty cogent observation. Rich Dolan and Bryce Abel had a discussion about whether this form of disclosure so far

is meant to educate the public all the way or to control the narrative. In a sense, I mean, they've already been controlled in the narrative for 80 years, haven't they? And then so it wouldn't be anything new if they come up with a new mechanism for doing it, centralize all this information in one place and decide, again, what people get to see and what they don't get to see. But I don't want to use the word optimistic because that's not my nature. But I am happy that this process has started and hope it continues and that bad actors don't get in the middle of it and make sure that the really juicy stuff, the most important stuff, remains off limits.

Well, that's already a problem. And so that's the thing is even though, you know, the president has ordered this and Congress has pushed for it, they're reliant upon agencies like the CIA to cough up their best evidence and like just put it in their hands. How can they even hold them accountable for if they're giving them the best evidence? I told them, you know, go to NGA, go to NRO. They have the actual hardware and software that track these things in space and in water. It's an incredible amount of data that is there.

We do know that there is an unwillingness within the CIA who has a lot of control over these assets to be able to kind of expose that to the public and even to Congress. So I hope when they're asking, they're really pushing to give. good solid information. I think that's why we facilitated the 46 videos plus a lot more from Air Force that they didn't list publicly. So they're on the case for a lot of really good footage that if they did get it would burst the bubble. But it's just a matter of, you know, is that going to happen? Only time will tell. We have to keep pushing. I think that this week, especially with the movie coming out and this little glimpse of other stuff, look, people will go to

jail. They will go to jail for what they have done if they don't find a way to bring this forward to the American public. And I'm really hoping, that's like dirty laundry you don't need other countries seeing. I'm really hoping that this is a genuine effort, but we're only going to know with time what the next release looks like. But I'm very optimistic. I'm going to say I'm optimistic because of what things like Rep. Luna and Rep. Burleson and Rep. Berluson and Rep. have said about forcing the issue with footage. I remember in the early 90s hearing almost this exact words from a congressional investigator cleared to look at all black budget projects who was on the trail.

You know, he'd been given authorization from the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and I think there was a chairman of, there's a finance guy in there too, who said, go find it, spend some time, run this down. Is there a program where they're reverse engineering flying saucers? aliens, bodies, things like that. And he looked, and he never found it. But he said at the end, after he'd been out to Area 51, look, I think this is real and it's being hidden. And when it comes out, people will go to prison. Because not necessarily lying to the public, because that happens all the time, but because tens of millions, hundreds of millions, maybe billions of dollars,

had been scooped up and funneled into these programs that Congress and the public don't know about. And it should be illegal if it isn't anyway. Yeah. Brett Burlinson has talked about that. For him, it's also this financial issue for the American public is where is all this money going? And as they say in crimes, like follow the money. You're going to find the person. You know, the gap between what's been released and what exists is still enormous.

But, you know, we're on the right path. If we have subpoena power in Congress, if we get proper whistleblower, protection like for Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, who, by the way, like Senior Chief Wiggins are under attack. Senior Chief Wiggins, it's a form of bureaucratic terrorism. And I think we might end up reporting on that soon. But all of Congress knows, if they make another move on that guy, one more move, all that's going to become public. They just want to stop people from raising their hands in Congress and telling it like it is. So there's still this opposition, man. And if it's not illegal, it should be illegal. But one thing I know is illegal is attempting to fabricate

evidence against whistleblowers when they're coming in under the idea that they're going to have whistleblower protection. And I hope we don't have to pull that trigger, but that is absolutely something that has happened before. It's not only abhorrent. It's in bad taste to invite somebody to come in. They accept the invitation and that you play dirty tricks on them, which again, we might have to get into that Sunday. I did hear some stuff. It's a bad taste. from Dave Grush in this past week, who said exactly what you're hinting at is that there are blocks. The same old, same old folks are trying to block the good information, the really most sensitive information from coming out. And I hope that President Trump, after getting this underway,

doesn't sort of walk away and have other priorities because he's going to have to keep the pressure on. They're not going to give this stuff away willingly. I doubt he has time to read all that was released or has any idea how much has still out there and hasn't been released. But he's going to to give some authorization for declassification and somebody in the White House is going to have to stay on top of it to force the good stuff to get out into the public. Maybe that's the missing link here is you can order this release, but you need to give a clear order of how this needs to be declassified, rapidly fast and move it along. Maybe that is like a missing element. Look, we're not just celebrating the release here, George. I feel like we're

grading it. Right now, you know, I'm giving it a C minus. Like, it's good. You know, you know, It'll pass, but there's got to be something better coming. And if not, maybe we can provoke it. So we had that premiere Friday. What happens now? Is the movie, is it out? Is it here? Yeah.

As of right now when people are watching it, it is out. A little uncomfortable for me. It's a real personal film. But, you know, it's the whole truth. The one thing with Michael I said is just, you know, don't lie. Tell it like you see it. Tell it like it is. And I think it did a great job.

So people can go now, Amazon, Apple, you know, wherever you get these kind of streaming things. Yeah, check it up. Yeah, I'm going to have to watch it again, too. I was surprised by a lot of stuff that was in there when I saw it Friday. Anyway, good talk to you. See you all. All right. Right, man, talk to you soon.