WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - Space Symposium Welcomes First-Ever UFO Discussion - David Grusch, Eric Burlison, Rod Roddenberry & Mike Gold Speak Out

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

The National Space Symposium annually attracts top experts in space science, including elite defense contractors, military and intelligence officials, cutting-edge technologists, and leading scientists. But the sprawling Colorado gathering had never hosted a panel of UFO witnesses and insiders, until this year. Days ago, a remarkable group of respected voices from UFO World was welcomed to the symposium to discuss the importance of honesty, transparency, and serious evaluation of UAP-related research. Speakers included David Grusch, the veteran intelligence officer and whistleblower who spent much of his government career in the space sector; Rep. Eric Burlison, one of Congress’s leading advocates for UFO transparency; Mike Gold, a seasoned space industry executive who testified before Congress about the UAP enigma; and Rod Roddenberry, whose family name is synonymous with space exploration and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The panel was organized by the WEAPONIZED team, which recorded the presentations. Jeremy Corbell guided the on-stage discussion. In this episode, Jeremy and George Knapp review the enthusiastic reaction generated by the topic, the setting, and these top-tier witnesses. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.com 👽 MAIN : https://YouTube.com/@JeremyCorbell 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WEAPONIZEDclips 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com ••• SLEEPING DOG movie trailer here https://SleepingDogMovie.com ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA⁠⁠⁠⁠ HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A⁠⁠⁠⁠ PATIENT SEVENTEEN ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't see the safe behind you. Did someone steal your safe? God, I hope not. There's nothing in it anyway. No, I'm up in the mountains, let's say, Big Sur, California. It's awesome. So you have been traveling, though, a little bit last week or so. I don't think UFO world is aware of what happened a couple of days ago at the time we're recording this. There was a new David Grush interview that no one seems to know about. He was on the stage and participating in an event with Mike Gold, who liked Grush, had testified before Congress about UAP matters. He was involved with a guy named Rod Roddenberry, whose family developed Star Trek

and is seriously interested in intelligence way out there. And Representative Eric Burleson, who's been blazing a trail of his own from the perspective of Congress. And yet all these guys involved in the same event with you and supposedly was going to be me too, were at an amazing event that has likely never before had an official panel about UAP UFO matters. And yet it happened.

And pretty much nobody other than us knows about it. Yeah, we were weaponized, was invited to host a couple interviews at the Space Symposium, which is they said it's like the Super Bowl of Space. You got to come. And man, I was really, I was shocked by it. It was really cool. I don't believe there's ever been a UFO or UAP panel or speaker out there, but people knew about weaponized. Within the aerospace industry, within the weapons space defense industry, people were coming up to me from North of Grumman, from Lockheed, from all the big top companies, you know, telling me that they listen to this topic, that they focus on the UAP thing and ask them, do you got any comment about it, you know, going into reporter mode, you got any comment?

No comment. But yet, you know, when all these people came forward, like David Grush gave an eloquent talk, really pushed forward, you know, information about the UAP thing. They were just, I mean, people were standing around in their uniforms with all their badges or, you know, whatever you call them, the admirals, generals, people were paying attention. So it gave me a lot of, it's kind of a lot of hope for the UAP thing. You know, it is interesting. Mike Gold was responsible for fighting to get the cameras on the Artemis mission. And first time, if you understand the story, as we're told it, the first time in 50 years that human beings are orbiting another celestial body, it was a big deal.

He fought for the cameras to get up there. And I asked him point blank, you'll see in the episode, ask him point blank, you know, are you going to release that to the public? It was a cool event, George. It was really neat. Before we get to Mike Gold or any other speakers who were involved in this, more detail about the general setting. You said everybody had suits and ties and uniforms.

So you did too, right? You must have been wearing that. You know, I do have a suit now because we got one for me. Remember that looks reservoir dogs? But no, you know, I went in costume as myself, which typically not having the suit. But yeah, people were wearing a lot of the military. Because I think it's like a purchasing thing. A lot of our government is going seeing what technology is out there and, you know, the best

space suit, that kind of thing. They showed this space suit that's new. all these articulating joints for like lunar landings, everything down to like bathrooms. So it was really neat. I was not dressed in proper uniform. You know, they did check my badge a number of times, but I think being myself is the best way to be. The National Space Symposium is a really big deal. You compared it to the Super Bowl of Space Technology. That is accurate. I mean, these are CEOs and high-ranking people from all the defense contractors, space contractors, all kinds of agency people, Intel world, military folks.

I mean, it is really the big annual gathering for talking about these kind of topics, what's up there, what could be up there in the future. And it amazes me that they haven't talked about UAP before, but does not amaze me that they all have a secret, still in the closet, interest in the topic. And that's the sense you got just walking the halls. People would walk up to you, right, and have a private little moment. Yeah, it was awesome.

actually Grant from Ohio Valley News. This guy gets in everywhere. He gets into the hearings without a White House press core thing. I don't know how he gets into all these things. He came. He may be a spook. He came with me and we would just walk together, you know, through all these booths where they're like selling different things

and showing their technology. And we would just stop once in a while because the conversations were incredible. People are interested in UAP. They know UAP are real. They know they represent machines unlike what we have. They know it's an. issue from a defense standpoint. Some people you can tell are kind of on the periphery of it

and just kind of looking at it like a fan, but other people were dead serious about it and would come up to me and say, you know, I have no official comment, but don't stop what you're doing. You and George are making waves, that kind of thing. That's awesome. Well, I guess it would be fair to say that Mike Gold is the guy that put this in motion. He's the key cog that helped make it happen. We've had him as our guest on weaponized a couple of times. Great guy. I mean, he work for Bigelow Aerospace for a number of years, consultant to NASA now at Redwire. Is that right? That's right, yeah.

So that's a big space contractor. It's involved in high-level stuff all over the place. And, you know, he has a healthy interest in the UAP topic. And he helped set this in motion. He's the foot in the door for you and me and weaponized, right? The only reason why we were invited to speak at the Super Bowl of Space is because of Mike Gold. And, you know, he testified in front of Congress famously gave like one of these volcanoes.

live long and prosper when he was standing up there doing, you know, raise your hand for the testimony. Yeah, he's a great guy and he made a really good point. He's like, we are now focused on exploring the cosmos in a way we haven't been in 50 years. And he goes, I am about transparency. This relates to the UAP issue. We need to open our minds to what's going on. He said to me, there is a greater chance that we are going to capture an anomaly, a UAP with these camera systems, that red wire put on, then not. And he's like, that needs to go out to the public.

We need to have this conversation. He's trying to destigmatize the UAP thing at something really fancy, like the Space Symposium. Well, he didn't have to do a lot of hard work other than invite us, because people were absolutely interested to talk about this because they know it's true. These people in these positions, they know it's true. It's just a matter of how far we go publicly.

Thanks for having me. Mike Gold's been a friend for a while. He testified in front of Congress about UAP. Did you guys see his congressional testimony? If you haven't, play the tape back. But one of the things that really intrigued me about Mike is that he openly talks about these things that are usually talked only behind closed doors.

You're in this industry, you probably have had that experience before. There's a hushness about the UAP issue. Just because something unknown, it gives people an allergy, right? Well, it's not unknown in certain industries. So Mike fought, from what I understand, to make sure that we got cameras,

You fought to get the camera systems up on the Artemis mission. So here we are going back orbiting the moon, and I'm really grateful for Mike. He was telling me the other day that science only progresses by studying the things we don't yet understand. So can you tell us for a second about that fight to get cameras why that was important and why going back to the moon relates to the UAP issue? Yeah, and let me begin.

I had the question is why I am even having this argument. I mean, it seems simple, it seems intuitive, Of course you should have cameras on the mission, but then you encounter engineers. And you know, I love engineers and engineering, but they can be very focused on requirements. And I remember having conversations at Johnson Space Center. Where are the requirements for the visuals? What are we solving? And when you have a spacecraft as complex and a mission as difficult as Artemis,

every ounce of mass, every volt of power is jealously guarded, because this is so difficult. So not just me, but with the help of former NASA administrator Jim Bridenstein, who would tell people, the camera is the mission, that if we can't bring visual images from Artemis II, we will lose the political support, which is actually the fuel that makes this go. So we eventually won the argument.

We got the cameras on. Total coincidence that I ended up with the company that is built. those cameras, but I was so proud to be able to be a part of not just then arguing for the cameras, but then being with Red Wire that built them, we have 11 cameras. Look, not all of us can be astronauts, me in particular, but with those cameras, we were able to take not just America, but the world on the extraordinary journey to the moon that was Artemis. And if you caught any anomalies, if you caught any anomaly, can you guys hear me? You're catching an anomaly there.

We're catching an anomaly. Man, we got tech issues today. If you guys caught any anomalies when you were, you know, putting these cameras up and all that, would you share them with the American public directly? Absolutely. As you mentioned in your opening statement, anomalies is how science is done. It's the weird. It's the strange.

It's the unexpected that allows us to make progress. So the anomalies are actually what, we're looking for, both in the science sense, and by the way, even in regard to the spacecraft, that the cameras serve the purpose, yes, of capturing incredible images of the Artemis journey, but also they look at the health of the spacecraft. And there, if there's an anomaly of some sort, you want to know, because that could influence the lives of the astronauts. So you want those cameras to be able to see what's going on. It was a nearly flawless mission, incredible mission, but you might have heard there were a few issues with the toilet.

And our cameras actually captured when they eventually were able to vent the urine, urine coming out of the spacecraft. And I have to tell you, are cameras capturing urine in space shooting out? Not on my bingo card for the mission, but it's an example of how those images can be so important to not just Artemis II, but making sure that we can do an even better job, make Artemis 3 even more spectacular. But again, whether it's an anomalous light, an anomalous image, or an anomaly on the spacecraft,

those are the most important parts of science and engineering. The cameras are on there. And what happens to the footage? Can I ask you that? Yeah. I mean, so I definitely, if I recall, when I was talking with Mike on stage, you know, I pushed him.

I said there's so much distrable. trust right now in the American public. You see this man with the moon mission. Everybody's analyzing the footage being like, it's fake, it's fake. You see so much of that. Now, if these guys work so hard on this, I said to Mike, you know, there's so much distrust and you can't fight that. So can you just put out the information to the public?

If you get an anomaly, will the public see it? Now, this is a guy that fought for these cameras to be on this mission. And 100% Mike is like, yes, NASA has their own software, usually, where they have to, like, pick apart the imagery, but with Artemis, we have the software. So I do believe that if they capture something truly anomalous, if they got it, someone like Mike Gold, he's going to put it out. Come hell or high water, he will. So he told me that on stage that they're planning to release that footage the best they can, like straight up. I believe him. I hope so. I mean, we know the kind of games that NASA has played, both the audio kinds of transmissions, what astronauts say,

or report back to Houston, the code language that's used when they see something strange, the stories that float around about what people encountered on the moon and on the journey back and forth. So I would trust Redwire and Mike Gold more than I would trust NASA at this point. So after you talk with Mike on stage, there's a guy that comes on stage you've known since childhood, or at least since the early years. It's a very famous family name. Roddenberry, any Star Trek fan or even partial fan would know that name, the significance of it. Rod Roddenberry, son of Gene Roddenberry. He's the CEO of the family biz, and he came on and what did he say? Yeah, it was actually really cool. So I think that the NASA guys and Mike,

they said their head exploded when they get to talk with Rod Roddenberry because they're huge fans. I mean, the Artemis Accords, which is like getting a bunch of nations together about the principles of how to explore space from what I understand, the 60s, the 60s, something, you know, country has signed on to it. All of the Artemis Accords were based upon Star Trek. They were based upon the principles that Rod Roddenberry's father put in motion with his, you know, what they call sci-fi. So when Rod came on, man, he's looking sharp, and he's looking strong, and he was articulate, and he was talking about, you know, kind of what the principles were with Star Trek and seeing Mike and him engage in real world about how to apply those principles

to current space exploration, it was really cool. Just because I'm a friend of Rods, he's a friend of yours, we know him, and now he's talking with the guys doing the moon mission. So they were equally enthusiastic

about having that conversation. I would think everybody there recognizes at the space symposium that what people would call sci-fi often leads to real science and real technology and real developments. I have an entire book about things that were first mentioned

on Star Trek that became real, because kids grew up to be engineers and made them. So I hope in this clip that you get into that. Yeah, I believe so. I kind of have, I don't have a memory exactly up on stage. I don't remember what we talked about. But I do remember this is something really interesting to me. Travis Taylor, our friend Travis Taylor, he came up to me,

and he articulated for the first time why he was so optimistic about the UAP issue and about looking, out into the cosmos, in a way that nobody had before, he said something about how, you know, the X, what is it called, SpaceX was it? The 47B, yeah. Well, no, no, the SpaceX company was about to go to IPO, so it's going to become traded. And he goes, imagine all these engineers, hundreds of engineers who have their own mind about how to explore stuff, they're all going to become multi-millionaires overnight.

He said it's already happening. And he goes, all these people going out and doing this. their pet projects with hundreds of millions of dollars. He goes, all of this, all of this is going to blow up soon. People are going to be out privatizing space and going to be capturing UAP in a way that we've never seen before. So that was a really cool perspective. He was there. It was very cool to hear him say that. Yeah, that sounds like a really interesting audience for one thing. So are we playing the clip here now from what was said? Yeah, let's do it. So we're going to play right now the clip with Rod Rod Roddenberry and kind of what his engagement with the NASA folks, what he said at the

conference. Can you hear us, Rod? Hey, guys. There we go. I can hear you loud and clear, guys. Contact. So this is a good friend of mine, and he was inspired. You know, we talked a little bit about the mission to the moon and what's been going on. So Rod, just wanted to know from everything that you've been involved with. What do you think of Mike's Artemis mission and what we're doing as Americans right now, going back to the moon? I mean, listen, of course, I'm thrilled. Anytime we are looking out beyond our planet and questioning what's out there and trying to explore. And through that exploration, hopefully bettering ourselves as a species, I'm completely on board.

That is the philosophy that I grew up with. That is Star Trek at its core. And it's the only way our society and humanity is going to thrive. Well, thank you so much for coming on and risking it with your wild friend, Jeremy, to talk about UFOs. But I imagine, you know, we've talked about it before. you don't have any direct knowledge of the UAP or UFO issue, but have you seen what's been going on over the last number of years, and are you inspired that we're going to get more answers about the UFO issue?

I mean, of course I'm inspired. I mean, I get to see a lot of this stuff because you send me incredible links, and then some of it is just becoming more mainstream, which I think is a great thing. You know, I truly do believe there is life out there. My only question is, and you and I will differ in this area, whether they're here or not. It's not that I don't think they are.

I just, you know, I want to see, touch, say hello to them in person before I'm willing to just jump in with them being here. But there's life in our galaxy for sure. We just have to find it. Well, there was life around the moon last week, and that wasn't... This spring, denim gets a softer, lighter update. Introducing Old Navy's drapey denim wide leg, a new fit that means. moves with you. It's everything you want denim to feel like for summer. Easy, breathable, and effortlessly cool. With a fit that creates natural movement and a wide leg that feels

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And I can tell you, while we use locks, kerosene, oxygen for fuel, the real fuel that drives so many of us forward in the space industry, is the vision of Star Trek. That is what carries us to the stars. When I was at NASA, I led the development of the Artemis Accords, and I took the name from, yeah, sounds like you may know already,

from the Kittimer Accords, but we didn't just take the name from Star Trek. We took the values of Star Trek, and the Accords, which has now been signed by 61 nations, are these countries, the third of the world, coming together to say that we want a future in space that is peaceful, that is transparent, where science is freely released, where we can be entrepreneurial, where we can be safe, where we will respect heritage and where we will cooperate.

If there's anything more Star Trek than that, I don't know what it is. So I thank you, Rod, and your legacy, for creating that inspiration, that then influenced reality. Well, I thank you for those kudos. You know, my father, he was, of course, inspired by the authors of his generation and had the opportunity to correspond with Caltech and JPL while he was coming up with these ideas. And it was really science and space that inspired him. So, you know, it's a cyclical thing.

And you telling me sort of the bones of the Accords there, of the Artemis Accords, I love the fact that you said that is Star Trek. Because Star Trek, can you hear me? Yes, sorry. You were making a Bones comment, so as a McCoy fan, I had to call it out. So I love the fact that you connected Star Trek with those values as opposed to just a science fiction TV show. And I do really appreciate that.

and I do believe in that as well. We do not have to have that exact future, but it's an excellent roadmap for us to follow. So I think the Artemis Accords are a phenomenal, I don't want to say start, but continuation of trying to make the future a better place for all of humanity. You know, since 2017 when the New York Times came out with the article,

you know, saying that we have been studying UAP and that there's a number of programs that have been held secret, but now at least one has been admitted. It's the largest UAP study that's acknowledged by our government in history. Then you see people testifying in front of Congress to direct and personal knowledge about the UAP reverse engineering programs. And I'm not saying that. That was testified to in Congress by David Grush and others. And then you see these videos that somehow make their way out into the wild,

you know, as journalists we obtain and release things. And the last one shows undeniably instantaneous acceleration. That wasn't my assessment of the video. That was our own intelligence agency's investigation of that footage. You should all go look at that. But, Rod, when you see all this coming forward, you know, it's not a matter of belief. It's either true or it's not true. There are machines that outpace, outmaneuver and outperform anything that anybody in this room has created, right?

Or it's not true. The evidence seems to say that it is true, that somebody made, fabricated these vehicles, and we do capture them. and people have testified about it. So with all of that, kind of, you know, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Rod, do you feel, would you be shocked if, indeed, the UAPSU deals with hard physical craft that some people have known for a while and that that is starting to percolate to the surface, would you be surprised in that revelation that, you know, we are not alone and we have been visited

and it's on a continuous basis for a long time, would that shock you? I mean, are you using the word shock? No, I would be excited. I would be thrilled. I'd be like, it's about time. Thank you for telling us. When can we meet them? When can we look at this stuff?

When can we have the information that you have? And it's not that I need blueprints and details. I just want to know that it's beyond a doubt anymore. And I know it is fact because you've seen the videos, but there's still that layer of the video. And being a skeptic, I will be skeptical until I get to touch it myself. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

I'm saying I'm one degree away from saying it's 100% true. Can I go back to the Artemis Accords for a moment? One of the most important principles of the Accords is transparency. And Jeremy, what you have been doing here on Earth is trying to make sure we have transparency on the U.S. UAP topic. Providing these videos, again, maybe we can't all touch it,

just like our red wire cameras, we can't all go to the moon, but seeing is believing. And I am so grateful to you and George Knapp and everyone you've been working with to bring this information forward, not just to the public, but to our members of Congress

because this is a national security issue. If this is real, if something extraordinary is going on, and Secretary Rubio talked about this, an age of disclosure, and we are not taking it seriously, that is a threat to us and a threat to our freedom. So let's not make a lack of imagination turn into a lack of freedom. So, Rod, you know, I wanted to thank you for just, you know, being here and always showing up for your crazy buddy, Jeremy. If you're talking to this audience here of people within the aerospace

industry, you know, that may have exposure to some of this stuff, do you have any message for them about their exploration in the years to come. Wow, a message. Yeah, you know, being put on the spot here. I'll tell you what, with all technology, whether it's terrestrial or beyond, you know, we're, our technology is exponentially increasing, but unfortunately on some parts of this planet,

and the U.S. seems to have a good portion of this, our intellect is not. And so what we do with the technology is the most important thing. And so whatever they have access to, whatever they don't have access to, whatever they're creating, whatever they're developing, there is this balance of let us know, give us our freedom, tell us it exists, but maybe some things shouldn't be in our possession just yet. So I have mixed feelings on it. I don't know if that's a message, but it's, it's, um, please, please let us know it exists, but I'm not saying I need to have one in my backyard yet. So it's not often I get to talk to Rod Roddenberry.

So Rod, again, thank you, but I have to ask you a question. With Strange New Worlds having wrapped, with Starfleet Academy finished, kind of out of crossroads for Star Trek, what do you hope to see the future of the Star Trek franchise be? Oh, that's a great question. You know, I, so I can just tell you the kind of Star Trek I like. I like the Star Trek that presents a situation and makes you consider a slightly different point of view that you hadn't really considered before. And where it sneaks it into the story, it's not thrust into your face, but you get to see another point of view, which challenges your own point of view, even just a little bit. And every time our knowledge-based, every time,

or challenge a little bit, we grow. Intellectually, emotionally. And that is the most important thing to life is for us to grow and evolve. And so when Star Trek does that, and I'm making Star Trek sound so academic, of course it needs to have a great story. Of course it needs to have action and adventure

and great characters. But with all of that, it really should just make you look at something, tilt your head a bit to say, you know what? I never thought of it that way. That is what I'm looking for in future Star Trek. And I'll tell you what, I hate to promote another show. I mean, of course, I've seen Hail Mary, you know, three times now.

And that is a great example of science fiction. That's science fiction. It's not popcorn science fiction. It is science fiction that's believable, and it's about characters, and it's about friendship. It doesn't dwell on having a bad guy. It doesn't dwell on just the action. That is great storytelling. So I want great Star Trek storytelling that makes you consider different points of view.

I thought Project Hail Mary was a great Star Trek film. That's why I saw it twice. I don't want Star Trek to take credit for it by any stretch, but Star Trek needs to be doing that kind of science fiction, in my opinion. Well, Rod, thank you so much for joining us today. I really appreciate you just showing up and talking to us. I know Mike's obviously a big fan, but I think a lot of people here are also. So thanks for jumping in.

Live long and prosper. I wish I could be there, everyone. I definitely want to come next year if I'm allowed. I think you'll be allowed. We're saving you a seat. All right, buddy. I'll talk to you soon. Awesome.

Live long and prosper, everyone. Thank you. So one question I have to have about Rod Roddenberry. I know the answer, but our audience won't. How is it that you guys were pals? I mean, I would imagine that the neighborhood that he had in L.A. or Beverly Hills was kind of, you know, upper class. What are you doing in that neighborhood? Right, right. They're letting me in like the space conference. So I, you know, Rod Roddenberry went to the same high school. And actually he started the jiu-jitsu club with my older brother. It was called Harbor Westlake School. And they started training together. I was like the young kid, but they let me come train. I used to skip school to go train at that high school way before I went there. And so Rod Rod Roddenberry was kind of like an older brother to me with my older brother. And they would, they were the first like black belts in that system. So we actually got a black belt from.

through the same jiu-jitsu system. So our friendship was always based upon Jiu-Jitsu and our training together. Same with Jules Erbach, Luminary, in the AI and artificial intelligence field. So that's how I know Rod, and it was really fun. We got a lot of great stories of partying together when we were young.

Okay, I'm going to need some of those. I'm going to need to hear some of those. But, yeah, we got to meet him last year. He invited us to an event in L.A. That was also very cool. And it seems like just like his dad, he has great vision and great imagination. Yeah, he's a really good dude.

I think in UFO world, this might be the most significant event that happened at that space symposium, and that is David Grush. The public has been demanding, hey, let's hear from David Grush. We've pestered him forever about coming on weaponized. It hasn't happened until now. And he participated in this, had some really powerful things to say about the state of events in UAP, UFO world, and what might come next. That must have been hard to kind of twist his arm a little bit. to get him to be part of that, even though he's worked in sort of the space sector as an intelligence guy for a very long time, right? Yeah, David Grouch has a really rich history, professional history that I think people kind of bypass, you know, him coming out like a Chiracro.

I mean, it's amazing that you get somebody like that who breaks from the fold. If you remember in Huntsville, Alabama, the first time he came up and leaned over to you at the bar, I happened to be filming. And he was basically saying, here is my ICIG complaint, showed it to you. He's like, I'm coming forward. I got to do this. And he was checking with you about, you know, what does this mean? What's going to happen to me when I do this? You know, because you've been through this a lot all the way from a Lazar all the way back.

So him coming forward, it was his peers. You know, he's speaking to the space industry. And he had some very powerful words. If people look at what he said and they really decipher it, he was going to be. some hints there about kind of what's happened and where this is going. Yeah, it's powerful stuff. So let's jump right into it. We can talk on the other side.

Our next guest is somebody, I want him to introduce himself to you because of his career and what he's done. But famously, it's David Grush. He came in front of Congress and he broke from the mold. He is not, he is an honest person. He didn't take that choice lightly. He came to George Napp and me years before he went public. And we know, we're debating.

Is it good for his? for his life. And no, he did it because he believed it was the right thing to do. So hopefully if all the technology is working well, you're going to get a little talk here from David Grush. Are you guys aware of who David Grush is? Yeah, he's in this industry for a long time. So I think we got him right here. Can you see and hear us? David Grush. Can you see and hear us? I do see you guys if you hear me. Magic. The technology is working. So this is my good friend, a guy that I really admire, David Gresh. David, do you have like a few minutes,

kind of give us a little breakdown of why you're talking with us here today? Then we'll ask you some questions. Sure, yeah. Thanks for the opportunity to be here, Jeremy, and my goal as well. Ironically, before the topic of my great public infamy, I actually spent 15 years

in the space intelligence community, some people in the audience. I may have worked with in the past or whatnot in certain assignments, but I spent 15 years in the Intel community before becoming a professional staff member for Congress. That being said, my opinions are on my own, not of Congress. But I served in the Air Force, NRO, and NGA as a senior intelligence officer. Ironically, I was also the former intelligence integration division chief for the space security and defense program here in Colorado Springs as well, about a decade ago.

and I spent many, many years providing counterintelligence and program protection support on the X37B or a real test vehicle. So I have a great experience in test, worked on a lot of space programs, worked on a lot of offensive cyber programs, and classified ISR programs. But of most significance to the topic we're going to discuss today, in my last assignment during the IC, I dealt with a transmedium third. threats and unknown anomalous activity in our skies and our space domain and under sea. So I believe we're entering in an era in which most consequential threats may not present themselves in familiar ways. Some will present unique signatures. Some will maneuver in non-standard ways. Some will exploit transitions across our airspace and upper atmospheric environments that our legacy kind of sensor and analytical constructs still treat us separate problems.

And I know that's something that the Golden Dome program, which is the president's priority, is trying to tackle. But because of some of these advanced UAS and anomalous detections, you know, has changed our threat picture. And certainly the intelligence community is aware of this. And there were, you know, legacy programs tackling this. And then I'll call it rice bowls or stove pipes, and a lot of that data was not shared with me and my team at NGA, and ironically, not even with the Arrow office that's currently been instantiated at the Pentagon, but try to tackle this issue from a over perspective. So all I wanted to really, you know, talk about, we can obviously have a discussion after I,

you know, mentioned this, but it's just, whether those sources, you know, peer adversary breakthrough, some sort of unacknowledged platform or a genuinely unresolved signature sets. You know, the strategic requirement's still going to be the same. And that's persistent sensing, rapid attribution. Resilient networks and decision quality data at machine speed are really going to be needed to affect this problem set in the future. So we reduce strategic surprise and help build our space-enabled defense architecture worthy of the threat environment and likely the scientific discovery ahead.

now that the president, you know, has promised back in February to release all we know on some of these anomalous signature sets and, you know, things that we've recovered and exploited over the last couple decades. Yeah, you know, I love it. When you're talking about this, it's very matter of fact. You did come forward. You blew the whistle. You really broke from the mold. You know, what was your motivation to do that? Why did you feel that this was such an important topic that the average person needed to tune into?

Is there a reason that we need to know this now and that you're fighting so hard right now with Congress to get this information out to the public? Yeah, having spent 15 years in the IC at the highest levels, handled the presidential daily brief, I was cleared to most DoD special access programs. I saw a sharing issue amongst that ecosystem, but also a 9-11-like intelligence sharing problem

where there were certain centers of excellence that were sequestering this information and the government was starting to spend capital on this problem set overtly, but it turned out the government had, you know, decades and decades of information and, you know, recovered FMAFMEED material. And I thought that was a huge issue. And once again, it wasn't being reported to Congress. So back in 2022, I went to the ICIG with people that worked on those programs to blow the whistle.

And I subsequently briefed, you know, the Senate and House Intelligence Committee. in a classified environment, in a compartmented environments, on those details. And so if this is such matter of fact, and you've really fought and put your own, you know, person, you know, kind of on the line here, what I want to understand from you is basically, like, it is important now that this comes forward. But, like, what is your hope? What is your hope? Is the integration of this knowledge into everyday society?

What is your hope right now? And are you optimistic from everything that you've done over the last few years? Yeah, I think there should be a public acknowledgement strategy. Some of that needs to come from the White House in terms of how much that we acknowledge and reveal to the public. But I would like to see greater integration with this problem set in our architectures. A lot of it was, we'll call it in an onion fashion. In a lot of the space architectures, a lot of the people in the audience are familiar with, both classified and over White Side, space world. But we need to be better stewards of the taxpayer money and actually overtly integrate

this, add this to the National Intelligence Priority Framework list, and it actually task our analytical centers overtly, whether it be NACIC, D.I. MISIC, etc., on this. So we built an informed larger cadre of people tackling this issue because it is very interesting. And, you know, there's some stigma behind it, but I would like to see the greater integration, so we're just better stewards of the taxpayer money. Hey, David, it's Mike Gold, and first and foremost, I just want to say from a former government official to another, thank you. Thank you for being such a champion for transparency, for accountability, and for being willing to be a martyr on this, for taking all the slings and arrows

that you have gotten, which I know are absolutely non-trivial. So first and foremost, thank you. you. We're here at the National Space Symposium, and we have a lot of people in uniform around, a lot of conversations about national security. I'd love to hear your thoughts about how the cover-up, how the lack of transparency, how the lack of information represents a national security threat to the U.S. and how you think this issue impacts national security, both how it can be negative and how we could improve national security if we were more transparent and if we were able to get top people working on these issues. Yeah, I mean, the simple impact, this is security stove piping, and that should be of no surprise with a lot of people in the audience

that have been in the special access program or controlled access program environments. You know, I had a lot of very senior friends of mine saying, hey, Dave, why am I not briefed? If this exists, you know, I should know. And that's a big problem. In positions I've had, you know, at the, you know, NRO operation center, space security and defense program, working for the Joint Chiefs, working at NGA as kind of the UAP, Transmedium Issued lead, you know, I had the need to know to be, you know, fully cleared into those programs. And, you know, politics and personalities and riceful kind of mentality, you know, blocked our access as a team for the most part. And I think that that really hurts us, like I was saying earlier, where we should be leveraging, you know, national overhead enterprise and other parts of our national intelligence enterprise on this topic. But we use it, you know, in secret, on the down low, the night job of a certain analyst at NASIC who also works for the legacy program that's also analyzing this stuff without telling his boss. That's essentially how the program has, you know, dealt with this over the time.

And I just think that that's a real travesty. And I think being able to overtly integrate it in architecture also prevents a false flag issue. So there was actually a famous 1971 treaty between the USSR and the U.S. You can look it up. It's unclassified. It was signed in September 1971. And you'll see Article 3, they were worried about the UAP problem set. triggering nuclear escalation because of the misidentification of anomalous activity near

NC3 assets. And so I think that'll deescalate possible geopolitical issues if we overtly bring out the topic as well. That's kind of a more prosaic, unexpected, you know, second order consequence of more transparency. David, if you're a weaponized regular listener, which I am, you always see optimism from my friend here, Jeremy, and pessimism from George Nass. to me, we've made amazing progress in a relative short of time. Again, because of people like you and your courage, David, just the fact that there were congressional hearings, I think, was extraordinary, and helps push back against the stigma.

So here we are now. We've got a statement from the president of the United States. We have the Secretary of State talking about this issue publicly in age of disclosure. We've got the DNI talking about it in her confirmation hearing. 49 files have been identified in part due to your wonderful work. What do you think happens next, David? What are your hopes, particularly for the near term in this year, next year, what do you think that will happen that could move us forward?

What do you think needs to happen? Yes, certainly. Secretary Rubio was a recipient of all the classified information I handed over when I was in the intelligence community through the ICIG. Secretary Rubio is very well informed. I would recommend the White House interface with the President's Intelligence Advisory Board. Mr. Devin Nunes is the chair and actually concoct a plan with the cabinet based on the breakdown of different mission areas that each cabinet member will have to deal with in this issue to include public health concerns and HHS, to include national security defense concerns with Tulsi Gabbard and P. Kegseth. And I think we'll get a basic affirmation to meet the president.

intent based on his tweet back in February. Will it be everything to public once? I don't know. I'll certainly be an advocate for that. And I know Congress strongly wants the executive branch to come clean with everything it knows. And I know that the members, you know, I support to include Congressman Eric Burleson, Hobie speaking here earlier, or later, excuse me, will be pushing for that. So I think there'll be the legislative branch kind of counterbalancing whatever the executive does to kind of ensure we achieve the transparency that the American public once. I certainly have advised the administration over the last year or so. I spent a lot of time with high-level officials working for the president to try to provide my sage advice on it. And I'll leave that at that just to keep

confidences in some of my sensitive conversations. But I hope for the best that I think there's a high expectation for the president to deliver. And I think if he does reveal everything that I was, I came in contact with. He's going to go down in history is a great figure historically, regardless of your political persuasion and personal opinion of the president. So yeah, I guess kind of final question, our audience is not just going to be people here. It's going to be millions of people outside of here when we release this episode. Just in plain English for those people, what do you want people to understand from your experience about UAP, about the presence, the UAP presence here on planet Earth. I mean, straight up, what do you want people to know, David Grush?

There's truly anonymous signatures in the skies. The U.S. government understands it represents a form of sentient, non-human intelligence. I know that sounds very Star Trek a la, you know, Gene Roddenberry and Rod's dad's sci-fi series, but it is true. And I want, you know, the American public to be comforted that the universe is teeming with life. It seems. and readily able to be explored and the U.S. government does have a lot of information that I think will inspire Gen Alpha and Gen Z and the American populace at large. And it will be a new era. It'll be a little uncomfortable. There'll be some truths that are a hard pill to swallow. But I think it's ultimately a good thing to get this out there. And I think the people, the world and the American

public will be very happy to understand their place. in the universe, so to speak, without sounding too much like Carl Sagan. Well, I want to thank you so much. We've known each other for years. You've taken a lot of hits on this subject. You've really put yourself out there. You're fighting behind the scenes as well as doing things like this. So I just want to thank you for what you've done for this topic and for the truth.

And you've really put it on the line and we all support you. And I know we're going to see good things as we move forward. So just thank you so much, David Grush. I really appreciate you being here with us today. Thank you, David. Appreciate you. Let's have a round of applause for David Grush. Thanks, brother.

Thanks, guys. So to me, a couple of things stood out. One is him saying flat out to this audience. And I don't know how many of them who were there knew who David Grush was or the significance of him being part of this event. But I'm sure they knew by the end of his presentation there. Him saying that, you know, he was talking about transmedium craft of unknown origin that's sort of that we're seeing in the space, in our skies, in the water, in all those domains. and they change the whole dynamic of what a threat might be going forward, not necessarily hostile,

but how they could interfere with our ability to carry out space programs and space exploration and having labs and things in the near-Earth orbit kind of thing. Yeah, everybody was very hip to the idea of all domain awareness and all domain protection. You could tell in talking with anybody at that conference, just what they were selling, what they were pitching was new technologies, new software, new hardware to protect all domains. So when David Gresh comes out and talks about transmedium, there wasn't a single person that didn't understand what he was saying. And I will say,

everybody knew who he was. When you're in the booth and you're on this stage and you look at like, usually people just kind of pass by and it's a casual thing where they're watching, when they saw a weaponizer was going to be there with like David Gresh, it just flooded. It flooded. Everybody was there. People knew who he was and they wanted to hear what he had to say. And luckily, it's recorded so the whole world can hear it now. People in this audience, they build the most sophisticated space technology, aerospace technology that exists on planet Earth.

They know it's not ours. So when David Gar says, this is not us, they know, right? Yeah, absolutely. There was no question. I mean, it's such a unique group of people to be around and people felt, you know, without breaking any oaths or stepping over any lines. There was a lot of encouragement coming. And also, you know, when they heard David was speaking, they did.

They knew who he was and people packed in. A couple of things that he said that might have gone over some heads, but he mentions very quickly that Arrow was not in the loop for everything, that they were on the outside looking in, which must have really pissed him off. He said, he mentioned things that we have recovered over the past several decades. Pretty big clue right there. that he still maintains, we have recovered craft and discs of unknown origin. And he mentioned a 1971 treaty that the USA and the USSR had to prevent a misidentification of UAP and stop that from becoming perceived as a potential attack on either country where World War III could erupt as a result.

Pretty good stuff. Yeah, and it's factually. You reported on that a long time ago. which is that there were issues with unknowns coming into these territories, and we were really worried about a nuclear war between U.S. and Russia, and you've reported many times on this, that we did have a treaty, that we did have an understanding. You speak with anybody from Lawrence Livermore back in the 80s during the head of the Cold War.

If they're working on anything nuclear or low nuclear reaction, they called it, which is Cold Fusion now, there was a red phone on the wall, and they would have a direct counterpart over to Russia. So there was understanding that these are not ours, they're not yours, and we shouldn't react to them in a kind of hasty way. Watching the exchange between you and he made me write down a thousand questions that I still want to ask him about what his life has been like since then. You know, you and I communicate with Dave on a fairly regular basis.

It's private. These communications are private. We know what challenges he's faced as a result of having the courage to come forward. I'd love to talk to him again and have a heart to heart in person sometime. So we're going to have to work on that. Yeah, I mean, look, he came to you first for a reason. You know, there's a reason why he came forward to you before he went public. And I think we gave him good guidance with it all.

But, yeah, we talked to him. And, you know, even just today, you know, you saw Rep Burleson went out and talked about a suspicious. death. And this is a real deal situation here. You know, an individual who is supposed to come testify to Congress who must have had really good access to the legacy programs, you know, I would assume from a technological standpoint, is dead. And that is an issue. And Congress has brought it up. FBI is involved with that. You know, right now with all these missing scientists and everything or dead scientists, there are some that are in that category that shouldn't be, from my perspective, I happen to know some specifics, but there are some that it is obviously a really

important situation. FBI is directly involved. Like I'm getting right now, text from a friend of mine who's being questioned, not for involvement, but just for what did you know about these claims, you know? So this is a situation Congress is taking very seriously. Now you've heard a new name and Rep Burleson put that out. I would say that that is an important name to look at. Now, I don't know all the details, but absolutely it's seen as a suspicious death of somebody who said they would never do it that way. I've heard a couple of names over the last couple of years, and we haven't been able to move forward with them, suspicious deaths of people who were directly involved with the UFO,

UAP technology. I think some of these names I agree with you that have been mentioned about scientists who are missing or strange deaths probably don't belong in that category. This guy did. You know, we've kind of been blocked from going forward. We were not allowed to reveal names. But Burleson, because of his courage, now the name's out there and people can get to work.

It was great to have him there. I mean, he really has, you know, broken through some barriers in terms of, hey, I'm not going to take no for an answer. I want to get to the bottom of this. leading the charge for the house, along with Burchett and Luna and a few others. And it was great to have him on stage to speak to this group. Yeah, Rep Berluson is the people's champ when it comes to UAP.

You know, he has been designated as the guy running forward. He's gotten further than when you were kind of working with a motto and he was trying to get access to Papoos. You know, I think Rep Burleson has gotten even further, which is amazing. we got to get behind the guy. So when he came on, you know, he kind of gave us an estimate of the situation, where he's at, what he's doing, and what we need to be fighting for. It was really cool, especially with all the top brass that was sitting in the audience. And I'm kind of watching them as they're watching him, you know?

And it was really neat to see that he's fighting for this, man, and we got to get behind him. The only way he's going to make progress is if we show public support for what he's doing on our behalf. I don't know if it will be widely known by the time this episode is going to be released, but here in Nevada, I'd been seeing these hints for a couple of days that the VIP visitor was going to be out of Groom Lake. And apparently yesterday, I don't know if Representative Berluson was with this VIP, but the VIP in question is supposedly Tulsi Gabbard, who made a visit. Flew into Nellis, then took a little Janet plane, I think, and went to Groom Lake, and then

came back and left Las Vegas yesterday, and I don't know. You know, we pressed Eric Berlinson about which facilities he'll be visiting on his national security tour and don't want to give anything away. But I hope he was in that plane along with Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, it is our job to press and ask the questions. He even said in one of our episodes that, you know, this, you know, journalism is so important with getting this truth out, but when we do press him, he does have to balance the idea of what he's trying to do. He doesn't want to get shut down. Like, for example, the 46 videos, you know,

that's a big deal. They put out publicly. Repaluna, like, as a show of force, put out publicly, hey, sounds good. President Trump, you said declassified. I'm going to take you on your word and, like, let's get these videos out. So they put out this letter to Pete Hegseth. And it's still undetermined whether or not, you know, those videos are going to be shown to the public. It doesn't matter if they're shown to Congress. Then all of a sudden Congress says, oh, yeah, I've seen some shit. Well, that's what we've heard forever. We want to get them out to the public. And Rep. Luna is trying to do that. And so is Rep Berluson. And they know those files are real. And they know where they are. And they got eyes on them. You know, it's no secret anymore. I mean, you and I did provide those

and many others as far as like actual links, links on these servers that we, have obtained over the years the links to. Now, we have released one of the videos, video number two, but I would imagine that they really are trying to get this info out. And if they, hopefully it happens that way. Well, it doesn't come out one way. It might come out some other way. You know, it's the duty of journalism you always say to investigate the unexplained, not explain the uninvestigated. That's your quote. And I imagine that, you know, we will do our best to inform the American public if they are misinformed. We have my friend here.

This is Representative Eric Burleson. Rep Burleson, I'm so glad he joined us because he has been somebody who has been fighting for this tooth and nail. If anybody's going to get it done, it's Rep Burleson. He's gotten closer than anybody. He was able to visit at least one base that we know of so far related to the NHI and UFO UAP issue. Rep Burleson, if you can hear me, they beamed you in at the perfect moment.

Are you there? Yes. Yeah, can you hear me? So great. Thank you so much for being here. We're excited. You're at the Space Symposium. And I really wanted people to hear from you briefly. You know, what is it that you're fighting for? Why are you fighting for this? And what is the next move? Yeah, this is an important topic for me as someone who believes that the government belongs to the people. We're here to serve the American public. And it's not for this government. or any government to hold back such important information as to whether or not we are alone in this universe from from from any of them and so to me this is a this is a topic this is disturbing in multiple levels of the secrecy it's also disturbing to see the way in which there's money being thrown at this that's you know that's kind of being hidden and so there's a lot of reasons for oversight to be involved in this matter and when we had whistleblowers come forward

particularly David Grush in the last few years that really piqued our interest and made me realize that there's something that we probably should be looking into and especially, you know, and I know that there's a lot of people who will give this a little bit of a smirk or I myself

have approached this as a skeptic but I'll tell you that there's something going on and what we can definitively say after years of researching this is that there is definitely some type of technology that is using a type of physics that we do not understand. It's a different type of physics than we've ever seen before. Yeah, and so very kind of on the nose right now,

Congress has put forward through Rep Luna and yourself and Rep. Birchip, you're looking to receive 46 videos and make sure not only that you receive them, but that the public can also see these. And in these descriptions or these file names for these videos, They talk about transmedium craft, instantaneous acceleration. One of those videos is out George Knapp and I released number two on that list. Have you seen those videos?

Are you hopeful that the American public is going to get those videos, maybe under presidential order? I've seen many of these videos because we have contacts, people that are trying to get this to us in a secure way, not through the official channel, but I have been, some of these videos have been leaked in. if you will, and I've been able to see some of them. And so, again, there's nothing that is definitive.

It's a smoking gun that I would say, but some of it is absolutely demonstrating a level of technology that doesn't exist, that we are not aware of under today's conventional technology. So, for example, the instantaneous acceleration video, that is, you know, that would scramble anybody's brains if you were inside that vehicle. And I don't know if you even have drones

that kind of capability of doing that kind of level of instantaneous acceleration. I've seen objects that appear to be blind that have no means of propulsion or aerodynamics. These are literally just spears that are moving in ways that people cannot explain. I've had briefings where we've been told

about incursions on our military bases. And this is something that's extremely disturbing that you have unknown objects that are violating our airspace, particularly over very sensitive locations. It's something that we have got to be investigating. Congressman Burleson, first and foremost, again, thank you for being a champion of transparency,

a champion of accountability, and fighting the good fight. I know you don't get a lot of awards for this. But you get our appreciation. I just wanted to ask, what kind of pushback do you get in terms of releasing those videos? Is it because the cameras themselves are classified? What are the explanations you get as to why this information couldn't be released to the public? Yeah, that's the most common explanation is that the instruments that gather these videos,

they themselves are classified, and so it's difficult to get those videos declassified. But I would say, look, scrub those videos of all of the metadata. You know, sometimes these videos, they have metrics that are kind of encoded around the perimeter of these videos. That could be removed or masked. Look, there's a number of ways that they could do this that would not jeopardize national security. And this is what we just kind of have to keep pushing it. My argument with that as somebody who has obtained and released a number of these videos is that those metrics actually, help the scientific analysis of it and nothing in those metrics, anything that George and I

ever put out has been of any threat to national security. We make sure in our journalism, America First, make sure. But I think that there needs to be a higher level of transparency with that. If you get these videos, I know you will put them out to the American public. But you're also, and we support you, you're also on another hunt right now. And I know you can't talk a lot about it, but you have been given access. I believe through presidential order, you've been given access to at least one military installation doing incredible work that was supposed to receive a craft through Lockheed Martin. I think that's very public now.

Are you going to visit more bases? Are they opening the doors for you? Is there a chance you're going to be able to see some of this hardware that is purported to not be of human origin? The answer is yes. In fact, I just had a conversation with White House staff a few minutes ago about this. There are other locations that are on the list. they're working through the details of those and the logistics of those visits.

I'm trying to be very guarded in which locations that we're going to for multiple reasons. But at the end of the day, my goal is disclosure. So you can trust that I'm going to do everything I can to try to get to the truth and then do everything I can to make sure that it's made available to the power. And I think that President Trump has demonstrated an unprecedented step by saying that he is, Even if it's just a truth social right now, that he's directing these agencies to release these files, that is, I don't think we've ever had a president even remotely say something like that. So that's a good first step. What I'm going to be hoping and pressing for is that this is followed up with an executive order because we need that kind of teeth for this to be carried through because a lot of these agencies are not going to voluntarily give this up even just because of a truth.

So I think we need the executive order in order to be successful, and I'm going to be pressing for that. If I can, I just want to emphasize the point that you made, Congressman, because this is an excellent one. I hate when we denigrate that, oh, it's just a tweet, it's just a statement, it's just an X. No president has ever done that. President Trump's statement was unprecedented and was a huge leap forward, and we should applaud him and the other administration officials who have moved in that, And I'm just curious, Congressman, obviously we saw the statement by the president. Are you getting support from DNI, from the FBI, from NASA, from other entities?

Have there been productive conversations? And what does that look like for you? There have been productive conversations. They've been somewhat limited in their resources on this topic until that truth came out. And so in that regard, that in and of itself has demonstrated. demonstrated tremendous success because, you know, one of the agencies had told me that this was a very low priority for them. It was one of the topics that they were investigating and working on, but it was nowhere near the level of priority that it is today. They have moved it up in their words to the top ten list of priorities.

So they're now dedicating a lot more resources to investigating this topic, and I think it's long overdue. So I'm glad to see the intelligence community, whether it's OD&I or the FBI or others, that are actually taking a really sober look at this phenomenon. I'm glad the most important topic in history is no longer a low priority. Right, right. Brett Burleson, I just want to thank you so much on behalf of myself and everybody here. You know, no congressperson has ever gotten closer or this kind of access, and you are a trusted person, and I know you'll shoot.

American public straight. So thank you so much for doing things like this and speaking out. And you are the people's champ. And we got your back. And thank you for what you've been doing. I know it's been a fight and you'll keep fighting. Thank you, Rep. Burleson. Round of applause. I couldn't do it without you guys. I couldn't do it without you guys. So thank you. All right, my friend, let's keep fighting. Talk soon. You know, I sense optimism with Eric Berluson. You know, he's working hard. He thinks he can push the envelope, the edge of the envelope. At the same time, one of his, most trusted colleagues in the House, Tim Burchett of Tennessee, is not optimistic at all.

He sounds like me when it comes to disclosure. He's come out of a couple of meetings, seen some amazing stuff. We don't know what it is. Yeah. But he does not think any of this stuff is going to come out. You know, I'm still there as well. Got to keep trying. Burleson, Luna, Burchett, and their colleagues, both in the House and the Senate.

But we'll see. So, so, Brett Birch is a little more pessimistic right now. It's never going to come out kind of thing. Yeah. The big stuff. Wheel out the bodies onto the stage in the Oval Office or something and, and,

and, uh, show him. Um, he doesn't think that's going to come. I think he's probably been exposed to too many tricks and lies from the big industries, uh, and contractors and the intelligence agencies to have much faith. But you got to keep plugging. way and give it a try. Well, I'll tell you, because he said it's okay. I mean, we just talked the other day and absolutely, I think it's frustrating, but he like us knows that nothing's coming out unless

we fight for it. And he said it's, it is, to quote him, it is BS. This is being held back from the American public that at this point, they're using national security as just like a placeholder to stop this information coming out. He's pissed about it. So I understand he's frustrated, but he is fighting for it too. And I really believe that we're not going to get anywhere if we don't push. And he's a good one to push. So even though he's a little frustrated, he's got a lot of fighting him. I imagine it's a tough spot for Republican House members who are supporters of the president who are counting on him keeping his word about releasing these files. And we'll probably will see some files, maybe some videos. But I'll bet they're disappointed about how

the Epstein files have been handled. I mean, they passed a law that said, give it to us. Don't, don't censor it. And we've seen how that's been handled. I'm not sure we're ever going to see any more Epstein files released at all. Right. You know, but President Trump did say he's going to be releasing the files. Now, now what are files? Our files talking about videos? So right now, there are people that we know at the White House, as of yesterday, and they are asking directly of the president, you know, are you going to release the 46 videos? Like, that is 100% true. So it's like, you know, there's got to be an answer.

It's like, if those videos are released, then you and I can sit back and say, look, the American public has that information, assess it, go through it. I think that's a big part of it. And that's why Rep Luna jumped on X after the president announced that. And I do believe the president. I do believe that he wants to release those. Why wouldn't you? I mean, I think it's fascinating.

So if he does that, if he allows us 46 plus videos to be released to the public, then we can sit back and we can watch as everybody kind of gets exposed to things that maybe Congress has been exposed to as well. Well, we'll have a longer conversation about it at some point. But I imagine, you know, the president's personality, it would appeal to him to do something that no other president has been able to do since Harry Truman. They've all known bits and pieces. none of them have stepped up to the plate and taken the action that the public is asking for. But at the same time, once you get ready to release certain things, including some of those videos that we are somewhat familiar with, you're going to get a lot of pushback.

There's a lot of stuff that has to be declassified and cleansed before it could come out. And even then, some of those would represent an actual potential threat to national security if they came out as they are. Right. I think, you know, these videos and more information coming out, it's like we have a nuclear program, but not everybody knows how to build a bomb. You can tell the basics. So I think it's a good step, man, and I really hope that, and I do believe that we're

going to make more progress on this. Look, if we're invited back to the Space Symposium after this time, we're going to go again. It was so cool. I think next time you've got to come in person, George. It was a neat experience. But what I took away from that is that people at the highest level dealing with defense of space, these contractors we often talk about, they are hyper aware of the UAP reality. They are fixated on it to some degree. They want in, too, on some of this.

Imagine if this information was allowed to be studied by the top scientists and engineers in our country. So I have a lot of optimism still. You're not going to kick it out of me. I got a lot of optimism. You go. That's you. All right. Yeah, I do want to be there the next time if we get invited back. And I was going to appear on a big screen and participate in the questions and things that, you know, just like with NASA missions, sometimes there are techno glitches that prevent things from going as they are intended. But yeah, that would be fun. So you're on the road at present. Maybe you're home by the time that this gets on the air, it gets released. And we'll talk again soon. We will, man, yeah. And Sleeping Dog is coming. Come hell or high water. The kid Michael Lozowski made this movie Sleeping Dog about kind of what you and I are up against, man. And I'm glad he did. Like, I was really pissed at him. He's listening. He's our producer. I was kind of pissed

about it. You know, I gave him 20 years of footage and said, make some cool UFO movies. And then he kind of saw, he'll talk for himself, but he kind of saw what was going on, turn the camera around. And you and I were going through something at that time, trying to figure out how far we could push this. So I am excited that movie is coming out and people should tune in. It's not my movie. It was made by Michael and man, it pissed me off at first, but now, you know, I opted in. Now I'm really glad it is because it tells it like it is. It's getting some good publicity already. So I don't know if Michael's responsible or how that works, but there's a lot of interest that's building. Are we playing a clip or are we going to do that in a future episode?

Shit, maybe we should play a clip. So I'm going to pull it out and then you're going to tell me if this is exactly like you said okay so we got it yep okay there's a white piece of paper around it that right yeah that's correct i see original Polaroid holy shit and where is this right where is this from it's from Los Alamos National Laboratory your dad died right he did he passed away about a month ago I'm sorry to hear that Dad died too. What was your dad's position and why do we find this interesting? He was in charge of all computer and cyber security for the entire laboratory. So I sent you some official documents from the lab that talk about meetings they had about atmospheric anomalies.

There's also some information in there about Russian sightings, Soviet sightings. Soviet sightings All right man Well listen I'll talk to you soon We got a lot of stuff Coming up this next month George

About 30 days you and me Going to be on the road Doing some stuff It's going to be fun man Man