WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - That Time UFOs Attacked 2,000 Humans - Guest : Thiago Ticchetti

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

The release of Lue Elizondo's bestselling book Imminent has refocused public attention on one of the strangest - and most disturbing episodes in UFO history. Elizondo recalls the moment when he first learned about the Colares UFO attacks, in which thousands of people in and around the Amazon River community of Colares were physically attacked by UFO objects that swooped down from the sky and occasionally from out of the water. Thousands of people fled their homes and as many as 2,000 reported suffering injuries after being hit by beams emanating from the unknown craft. The Brazilian Air Force launched a major investigation and many years later, their files were released to the public. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George speak with Thiago Ticchetti, Brazil's top UFO investigator and author about the Colares attacks and what became of the once-secret files. Thiago alleges that astoundingly clear film footage and photos obtained by the Brazilian military were sent to the US but have never been shown to the public. The WEAPONIZED team also reviews assorted conspiracy theories and debunking efforts that have popped up in UAP circle in recent weeks, including some related to Elizondo's book. ••• For UFO cases related to Brazil, reach out to Thiago and check out his excellent work... Thiago Luiz Ticchetti Editor of UFO magazine International Director of the Brazilian Commission of Ufologists (CBU) MUFON's National Director of Brazil MUFON Field Investigator MUFON STAR and ERT Team Email 1: [e-mail] Email 2: [e-mail] Social Media: ufo.com.br/tt and ufo.com.br ••• Watch the three-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : tubitv.com/series/300002259 ••• GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com ••• Unknown 9: Awakening releases on October 18, 2024 for PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X and S, and PC. Pre-order your copy today and learn more about the Unknown 9 universe at unknown9.com/weaponized Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Secrets, cover-ups, and strange phenomena. UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself. All these mysteries, all this time, are we ever going to get to the bottom of these? My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't. I'm Jeremy Corbelle, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is weaponized. This is weaponized.

Jeremy, how you doing? Pretty good, George. How you doing, man? I'm worn out. I'm worn out as a full-time conspiracy guy and a full-time grifter. I mean, I don't get any sleep. Man, you're hard of work, man. Well, the last week or so, both of us have been really hard at work,

based on what you read online and various social media platforms, right? So I've heard, man, I noticed a huge uptick in nonsense. Actually, since the last time we recorded, that's an interesting point, I think, a place to start at. So last time we broadcast weaponized, we were in your den, man, and we were going through all this great documents and stuff. I haven't looked at in a while. And we were going out to go see Jane's Addiction play.

Our friend Dave Navarro and our friend Dan, they were like, come on out and see us. So that's when we recorded last. And we sure did. It was a really cool concert. I mean, to be able to see Jane's Addiction play, I didn't know where they were going to seat us, though. And I know we wanted to sit. And so we're back there with them. Man, I think we got the best seats in the house.

Well, yeah. I mean, so we go and see David. Navarro. You had introduced me to him years ago. We've had fun with him and talk UFOs here and there. And he and Dan are both into it. We spent some time with them. And he said, hey, we're setting up some good seats for you on the stage. We sat on the stage like 15 feet from the band. All these people are in the audience looking at us wondering, who's the old people up there with Jane's addiction? And at one point in the show, Dave came over and while they're playing a song, came over and crouched and took a photo there. and it was fun. We had a great time. The Viking was with us and had a great time and had a little conversation or two with him. Just general stuff.

And afterward, we're surprised. I don't know if it's the same night or the next morning, but Dave put something on Instagram, right? What did he say? Yeah, he was on Twitter, and it was this really cool post, how he got to hang out with us. And then he says, you know, something about March 3, 2026. what he actually said, let me just read this, it's hilarious.

He goes, thanks to my pals, George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel for coming out to see us this evening. We talked about some things tonight, and I'd love to share, but I'm afraid it's still classified. All I can say is you may not want, you may not want to make any plans March 3rd, 2026. Well, you won't actually have a choice. And then he put an emoji of a UFO. I mean, fucking hilarious. The guy, it was awesome. But man, people, first thing I saw, I got a text, somebody screenshot, and they're like,

oh, there's George Knapp again, giving classified information to a rock star. Yeah, I do that all the time, you know, classified information. I give it out to rock stars, people in the street ask me for change, things like that. Guys at the 7-Eleven, anybody really wants some. I'll give them classified information. We did have some fun conversations, but no classified info. discussed with Dave, he was just having fun. He was making a joke, which should have been pretty obvious that it was a joke, naming a date when some dire event is going to happen,

and people basically crap their pants over it, demanding that we'd be investigated and prosecuted and set to prison for releasing classified info to somebody who doesn't have access to it and doesn't have a security clearance. It was crazy. All I can say is our pal Dave Navarro has a great sense of humor, and I love to did that. He did a little update said, you know, at the end said, no, we just talked about normal stuff. Sorry, not sorry. Like, he did a little update. It was great. But our pal Dan, who works with the band, you know, he thought it was funny because he follows a lot of the, you know, X wars, UFO X wars online. And so he was getting a kick out of it. I was like, you know,

Dan, don't take it too seriously, man. You know, anybody that wants to pretend something is what it's not. They're just trying to get attention. So they quickly learned, you know, you put your foot into the UFO Waters on X and you better have some thick scanner, you know? I know that I wrote back to Dave after he started getting those reactions. And I said, just leave it. Just ignore it. These people have no sense of humor. They're just goofballs. UFO goofballs. Just leave it up there. But he then made a correction. And then that became a conspiracy. Right. Forced him to do it because our our, our handlers in the, secret government the dark cabal told us to so yeah you know but i i will say the majority of people

not the vocal minority you know with personal agendas just the a majority majority of people thought it was fucking hilarious and so we have to keep that in mind is that you know the average person on x that is just passionate about this and following it they're just like you and me when we are just like them like they're just excited about it they want to learn as much as they can and X is just a great platform for kind of tuning into things before they hit mainstream news, although you have to sip through a lot of the bullshit. I saw something else. I mean, let's talk a little bit about that.

Let's talk a little bit about the kind of the noise to signal ratio that's caused by these kind of weird agendas on X. I saw something floating around that you and I had recorded this massive whistleblower episode of Weaponize. somebody's doing like direct messages with someone else they're lit you know for days and they're listing out everything that you and i recorded and then at some point they're like oh but jeremy killed it you know i'm keeping it secret i've killed it it's no longer coming out do you remember recording that episode of weaponized george no i thought maybe i had an amabody experience and just missed the whole thing but i saw that online i'm wondering what the hell is this guy talking about isn't that isn't that hard though when people like impersonate you or try to or message other people. And they create these, I mean, it's very elaborate.

You know, it's such a distraction. It's so hard to authenticate. That's why with most people and witnesses that I speak with, first thing I do is jump on video. Like if I got their number, I'm like, I video call them right away. So they know it's me and I know who they are and a story. But because you have all these kind of shrouds behind, you know, where people can fake stuff. And men, you know, Have we been seeing that lately, people pretending, you know, that we've done stuff or even to be us? Big news this week, and we'll get into it in detail in a little bit. But Lou Elizondo's book, Eminent, came out inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFO's. Number one bestseller on The New York Times bestseller list.

It's a big hit. Lou's been all over. He went on with Rogan. He did some stuff on News Nation. He went on coast-to-coast with me. He's doing interviews all over. Really interesting content that we'll get. into it a little bit, but there were several people who wanted to know why in the world,

we're not promoting his book as it's coming out. Where are we? Are we on Team Stratton, team Lakatsky? We're not on Team Lou anymore. Why are we there promoting this thing, which was equally hilarious? Yeah, well, first of all, I am listening to the book because Lou read his own book, which is so cool. You can kind of hear just his voice and it's kind of neat. So that's cool. You got that physical copy, but I'm actually listening to his book. I thought my photos of Lou and me arm wrestling prior to the release of his book

was a very supportive message to give people. Yeah, I thought so too. And, you know, we do not watch everything on social media. I don't cover everything. There are two words in UFO world that are absolutely forbidden. And that's coming soon. You can't say that something's coming soon. that's like saying your mama.

You know, it's the equivalent of that. Don't tell me something's coming soon. I don't want to hear it. So us promoting Blue's book before we've read it, I'm not going to comment on it. So I was waiting. I got my copy. I read it to prepare for the coast-to-coast interview

and was very impressed with a lot of the content in there. But I'm not going to comment on his book before I've read it and say something about it. And I'm certainly not going to say something's coming soon. And lastly, you and I were in touch. with Lou. We knew the book was coming. We made arrangements to get together with them at a point on the calendar that we're not discussing. But, you know, we've already made arrangements when we're going to talk about the book when all the smoke has cleared. That's the reality, right? Yeah. And also,

I think you and Lou have, well, you know, we all know each other pretty well. You know everybody involved, you know, through decades, through all of these programs. So I think people want to hear your opinion and your conversation with Lou. So I think it has, how. You know, how? You know, of it is just the excitement, you know, that you're going to have a substantive conversation, and you know that the crooks and turns and kind of how to have that conversation. So I think part of it is excitement. And then the other part is just divisiveness. You know, there's such an attempt.

It's so bizarre to me. I don't think anybody buys it if you see the comments when people try to create those divisive posts, you know, that we are just supporting one person, not the next. We're supporting the truth on all this. And everybody's got an aspect of it. There's this old saying, truth is perceived in fragments and from different angles of vision. It takes all these different perspectives to really get a complete and full picture. So I thought your coast-to-coast AM interview with Lou was awesome because it asked questions that other people didn't.

And, yeah, Lou's been on a run, man. As you said, he did the Joe Rogan podcast. They're so cool to finally see that conversation happen. And they were philosophizing and just growing out for the majority of it. But it was just really cool to see that. Also, I have to say, shout out to Gotti at NBC. You know, he really touched areas in his interview that other people didn't because there's so much to talk about with what Lou wrote. That's true.

I mean, and we'll get into some of that in a little bit. Kudos to Lou for really doing well. Weaponized will return to the subject and the, and the. content of that book at some point in the not too distant future. I did see yet another conspiracy involving you, Jeremy, two of the biggest brains on social media. And by biggest brains, I mean tiniest little nuggets of brainpower, were speculating about you leaking UFO materials, classified stuff. Holy cow, how did they discover this? Well, I've only ever obtained and released any footage or materials or assets with you, George.

So I'm just saying we as journalists obtain and release stuff. I don't know what specifically you're talking about. Maybe I do, but the thing is this, man, it's weird to me that people, other journalists will just try to like, you know, get journalists like you and me in some sort of fictionalized trouble. We are allowed to report on news that benefits the public good. as long as we're not doing something that is intentionally or even accidentally breaching any kind of national security thing, we're very careful of that. Unfortunately, there's a lot that we can't put out that we've been informed about.

But I find it very strange that some journalists will try to get other journalists, you know, investigated rather than looking at what the evidence is and being thankful, you know. Well, like I said at the start here. I'm confused. Being a full-time conspiracist, I'm sometimes confused which one I am, because you and I get accused all the time of working with the deep state cabal to slowly drip out UFO stuff. At the same time, by the same people, we get accused of releasing images of Batman balloon and objects that are not genuine UFOs. And then we get accused of releasing fake stuff that we should be prosecuted for because it's classified or just making things up. People can't quite make up their minds about which part of the conspiracy we actually are on. And I can't. Great either. I don't know, man. I mean, we are doing our best, and that's the best we can do. I don't know. People are going to say, what is that saying you have the dogs of bark but the caravan moves on? Continues moving. Yeah. I mean, what are you going to do? Caravan passes,

right. Yeah. Yeah, what are you going to do? I mean, look, there's so much. we can do if we just look in the rear view, you know, all the time, I think we have to keep looking forward and focus on the investigations we're doing. So a lot of what we do, and we've said this before on the show, but we report on such a little amount and we have to be so patient. I know there are things that you've had to hold back until they were like able to come out. I mean, even back to the New York Times story, if you had written that, you would have, you would have made it accurate. You would have gotten the facts right. That's not what we got, but at that point that kind of unleashed you to be able to say,

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Learn more at M365 copilot.com slash work. You know, there was one development that I read on social media about a FOIA request that came through that I think we should mention briefly because this actually is an interesting piece of information. It is not a surprise by any means. It's not a big scoop as it was presented, but someone got confirmation from the Department of Defense that Jay Stratton, who used to have the UAB task force had created this classified UAP briefing presentation. Wow, big scoop. I'm thinking to myself, why does that sound so familiar? Can you fill me in, Jeremy, why might sound so familiar?

Yeah, that was a, that's so you and I, on my website, extraordinary beliefs, we actually, you know, put out a list of some of the things that were in that briefing that people were exposed to about UAP. So this is not news in any way. This is something where we actually obtained and released images that were confirmed by the DOD as being part of this asset or this product. And it was Jay Stratton that did a great UAP related briefing for the kind of wider audience, not even just within the intelligence community. A lot of it he had in the declassified, you know, kind of area so that it could go to Titans at Industry and that sort of thing.

It was really to educate not only the intelligence. community, but also people outside of the intelligence community. Now, no one's seen that full video outside of the intelligence communities technically, but it's a great video. And it describes a lot of the images that we obtained and released. But remember, George, and this is important, is that some of that the contents that they didn't have, we gave to the Pentagon when it came to the 2019 events, we were able as journalists to get more footage and evidence of this UAP interaction in 2019 and push it up the chain of command. And I think there was some gratitude on that. I mean, they wanted that information and didn't have it. So if that's what you're talking about,

yeah, that's not a scoop that there's a product that Jay Stratton authored that's pretty awesome. But I am glad if there is now a paper trail confirming that it exists, that's great to have on the record. But we've been reporting on this for a couple of years. years. That briefing document, Jay Stratton, put that together with images from different military entities, and he put the briefing together to present to a broad audience. He wanted to have more eyes out there, people who are paying attention to the UAP mystery. He did that. Before the UAP task force was actually called the UAP task force, it existed as sort of a netherworld, the same basic structure, but it wasn't officially authorized by Congress, and he would have these briefings for

different groups because he wanted the intelligence and military communities, defense contractors included, to start paying attention to this and taking it seriously. The briefing itself was classified, but the individual images inside that briefing were not. So some of them found their way to us, not from Jay Stratton through other means, and we made them public. And what were some of the ones that come up to mind to you? Yeah. I mean, so I remember everything that you released, people, if they see it, it's got a blue background. So there were three UAP, they were photographed with an iPhone, out of a cockpit of a fighter plane, and you were able to obtain those, and then we release those, those are included in there. But there's tons in that audiovisual thing that I think

the public should be able to see. But I mean, other ones had to do with the 2019 swarms, you know, triangle by angle of observation. So if people do their due diligence and they're able to see this report, they'll see that you and I didn't make it up when we said, you know, triangle by angle of observation and pyramid and shape. Pyramid in shape is from the intelligence agencies. They have more, I guess you'd say, optic systems or weapon systems that were able to catalog what they believe the shape was to be. So I think that's what you're talking about. But remember, the USS Omaha stuff, when you and I obtained a very comprehensive amount of data from 2019 talking radar, thermal, IR, deck footage, even documents.

Some of that was not in the possession and had not moved up the chain of command properly. So we were able to provide you and me, able to provide the USS Omaha where there's that thermal footage of the, what appears to be egg-shaped object that was one of the many going in and out of the water over a multiple day period. I saw our pal Merrick did some Twitter, sorry, some. of X posts about that. And he's right on the money.

You know, that area is a hotspot for UAP, UFO activity. It was in 2004. And it also continues to be, I mean, up until today, up until today, I got new reports from people on ships that are seeing UAP having, trying to hit him down with anti-drone technology. Sometimes they even bring out the shotgun onto the back. I mean, we're talking about having these things on the spy one, 100 meters off of the tail of ship. We're talking recently.

This is still happening. And visually, them seeing them go in and out of the water. This is a constant thing that has been happening with our military deployments. I would just like to remind our listeners about the Omaha video because, you know, people look at it. Ah, it's grainy. What the heck. Why don't they have clear video? Well, the Omaha, that object followed the USS Omaha for about an hour.

It was one of 14 that was detected on radar coming in and out, appear, disappear, following along with the ship, and just playing games with it, buzzing around. They shot it off of a thermal imaging screen. It's the dead of night, 100 miles off the West Coast, and they're following this thing, watching it on this thermal imaging screen and shooting video off that screen. That's why it's kind of grainy, because it's dark. outside. And then the thing appears to go into the water. You know, back in those days, when Jay Stratton was with the UAP task force, they said, this is an unknown. We don't know what that that is. They can't say it's a drone. Now, of course, arrows come in and said, everything explained. There's nothing unknown without going into any detail about how they explained

away the Omaha. Merrick's article and his discussion on social media takes that to task and says the explanations simply do not fit. Yeah, that's total bullshit, whoever's saying that, because they do not know who were the operators of those units, and they were transmedium. I mean, even I personally know from some of the Hilo pilots on that, on one of those days, that they saw things coming in and out of the water. Also, if people really pay attention, you know,

those radar tracks with the other footage, there is a correlation of all of that, of that swarming of the Omaha. So I think over time, when we have people like Merrick, we're like really looking at it, we're going to see that this is not unusual, that it's unusual to get any footage out. But yeah, it was a really unique event series, but it's not unusual, man. I mean, just today you and I got a new set of information about USOs and, you know, current deployments. But U.S.O incident also comes to mind with an article written by our friend Chris Sharp. He got a piece in the Daily Mail dating back to the USS Nimitz and Calderers, the Tick-Tac incident, 2004, all these things that had happened over a 10-day period. And he's got some testimony revealing that objects were picked up underwater. Now, you and I have reported on this a bit before, but we're glad to see Chris get something more solid. What can you remember about the objects that were supposed to the underwater around that time?

Yeah, so we've said from the beginning that there were other systems, other defense systems that picked up a lot of this activity. And people should think of things like NORAD, very simply, would be highly aware. But that data and that footage and just that data is not going to be something that's readily released to the public. Kind of like if there was a scientific report that details some of the capabilities of the Tick-Tax. maybe a report that you tried to submit to Congress, you know, we were not successful in that. But, I mean, there's a lot of information and data. And I hope more of it comes out. But underwater, I mean, if you look back to, look, this is almost 20 years ago.

We're coming back, November 4th was it? 2004. Yeah. So we're coming up on 20 years, man. Commander Fraver, first interview he ever did on this, man. You can hear it on audio that I did with him. And he talks about an object under the water. We told people they were tracked under the water.

And so now it sounds like good old Chris Sharp got a source of two that confirms that. Another development this week of interest to us and to our listeners are weaponized is there's a new director of Arrow. His name is Dr. John T. Kozlowski. DoD also says that Sean Kirkpatrick is no longer a consultant to Arrow. I have a hard time believing it. He's not going to give more interviews about the topic and dump cold water on it for the rest of his life. But he's not officially part of the program anymore. That's good.

Dr. John Kozlowski, I know we've both reached out to some people. We know what do they think. I've heard good things. I'm sure you have too. I would just caution folks that we heard the same thing about the interim director, right? We were told by somebody we trust really well. This is a good guy. This Tim Phillips, good guy.

evidence to the contrary, right? Yeah, it's actually ridiculous. So, I mean, there you have, like, director of Arrow, Tim Phillips going on some LinkedIn post and just trying to disparage, you know, information that has come forward to him. You know, that's the problem. When we really look at it with Arrow,

is Arrow, just really plainly, is Arrow a counterintelligence operation where it's just trying to find out who knows what. Now, I'm not willing to say it at this time, but there is evidence to that fact, that Arrow is just a counterintelligence operation. It's sad. So I don't know, even if this new director of Arrow is a good guide,

and he's done a couple things. He's reached out to a couple people that make me think that at least he wants a better PR look at his organization. So I'm encouraged by a couple of the people that he's reached out to, but he might be kind of imprisoned within a mechanism called Arrow that has a completely different agenda

than what he might think upon taking that job. I don't know. So I'm not holding high hopes. We're not sending any witnesses to Arrow. We are kind of getting around Arrow and getting people to other places to provide testimony at this time. This is going to be one of those proof

is in the putting moments. I mean, show us. We're willing to give them the benefit that Adele. He doesn't need our approval, obviously. But we're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, hope that the people who've told us he's a good guy and good for that job. We hope they're right. We'll have to wait and see. Well, even, George, if you had Project Blue Book back in the day and instead of Jaylen Heineck, you put somebody else in his position, I mean, wouldn't it still be Project Blue Book with a mandate to do, you know, to make it a laugh factory? Yeah, it'd be like Dr. J. L. and Hynek working for

Blue Book, no longer wanting to debunk everything, but being trapped in that system. And the only way to tell the truth of what you know is to get out of it. Right. And I think we might see that down the line. But either way, thankfully, there are other ways, like additional hearings, but even other ways to get information where it needs to go when it comes to the UAP issue. So, hey, man, look, let's see what happens. Proof is in the pudding.

But even if somebody's a good guy, don't know if they're going to get outside of the constraints of their organization's mandate. Okay, the whole UFO world is talking about Lou Elizondo's book, imminent inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs. A lot of stuff packed in there. It went to number one on the New York Times bestseller list. As we mentioned earlier, Lou's been all over media, social media, electronic media, podcast, newscasts.

He's everywhere these days. And the book packs quite a punch. There's a lot of information in there. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed talking with Lou. I'd probably interviewed him more than anybody else or the past. six or seven years and this latest interview on Coast was a really good one. I think you and I will get to see him soon. But something came up in association with the release of the book that I did want

to touch on because, you know, our mutual friend, Dr. James Lakatsky, who was head of OSAP, who along with Jay Stratton had designed ASAP, Jim Lakatsky was the program manager. He oversaw it from beginning to end for the entirety of its life. He has said before, Lou was not part of Ossap. They were going to bring Lou in to be the counterintelligence guy. If they had succeeded in turning Ossap into a special access program, a SAP, that didn't happen. But Lou was brought in. He did have meetings with these guys later after Ossap disappeared.

Elizondo, I mean, excuse me, Jay Stratton and Likowski tried to have an alternative program, find a new home at the Department of Homeland Security program called Kona Blue. It was initially approved, then it went away. And then later, AETAP happened. A smaller program within the Pentagon, not at DIA, which is where Ossap was. Ossap was at DIA. He got the $22 million authorized by Harry Reid and other members of the Senate. That's the program.

Things kind of got blurred from the beginning. There have been some touchy feelings between the different participants, but all that is water under the bridge. So this week, a news organization, as a producer, writes to Jim Likatsky, and here is the essence of the message they sent to him. They said, we're doing this show about Lou Elizondo. We understand you were an early part of a program called OSAP. We'd like to get a photo of you and use it in our story. Well, you know, Likatsky, he's sort of a stickler for accuracy. So if you designed a message to provoke a reaction from him, that's pretty much what it would be. I don't think that that's what they did. But

it's what happened is he responded to me. He says, I don't want to be part of your program. Lou had nothing to do with Ossap. I'm not giving you my photo. And basically he said, I was the director of Ossap from beginning to end. Lou had nothing to do with it. That comment in an email to a producer saying, I don't want to be part of the story, gets entered into this larger piece about Alizando, and it looks like a slam. It looks like Laskis going after Lou. He was responding to a question about an ill ill-phrased question asking him for a photo and what had nothing to do with it. He corrected what he thought was a mistake by the person asking for this photo.

And then the quote gets used in this story and looks like he's banging heads. So Lakatsky gets trashed all over social media, including some certain email groups that I'm part of by journalists, oh, tisk, this is terrible for him to go after Lou like this. He wasn't going after Lou. He was saying the same thing Lou has said. Lou admits he wasn't part of Ossap. He could have been if it had gone on to be an SAP, but he wasn't. And so both of those guys are saying the same thing.

They're not at odds about the book, but that's how it was created and caused all kinds of a little kerfuffle on social media as everything seems to do these days. I saw that. I saw that comment from Lekatsky, and it was completely out of context. And that sucks. I mean, look, you were the first person to really. get in depth with Lou. Lou is a hell of a guy as a human being, and he has a critical role in our history of all of this.

And I know everybody tells their story from a different perspective, but they're all telling the base same story of our government investigating UFOs. I don't know, man. What is your take on kind of how much Lou was able to tell the American public in this book? Well, there's still a lot of stuff he can't say. That was obvious in some of the questions I asked. He can't. And none of them can't.

And I think that those who want to sow division in UFO world and the UFO topic will look for ways to poke holes and to stir up trouble. You have to be on Team Jim Lackadsky or Team J. Stratton or Team Lou. Obviously, there are differences in how they remember things. And that's human. It's just human. You know, it's been a long time since this stuff happened. So they're all going to have their own versions of the story, but in general, the story is seamless. There was Nids of Bigelow's organization at the ranch.

That became Ossap with Jim Lekatsky and Jay Stratton, Robert Bigelow, Colum Callagher, and some other folks we know. That went away. Kona Blue tried to exist. That went away. ATIP emerged later. There's a lot of give and take. It's amorphous almost by design.

It's supposed to be secret. It was never supposed to come out from the point. public at all. And I suspect, if not for Lou coming forward, it would have stayed secret. So everybody gets credit for doing a great job and helping to move the topic along. But there are going to be difference of opinion. It doesn't have to be all-out war. And to see people try to stir the pot and create rivalries and trouble where they don't really exist is, I think, kind of pathetic. Yeah. But I mean, you know, that, listening to Lou's book, hearing those first interactions where he gets approached by Jay Stratton in his office.

He's not sure what this is going to be about. And then going to meet Dr. James Lackatsky and kind of getting brief, you know, the first initial briefings. So obviously, Jay Stratton, James Lackatsky, they had established this program and they were bringing Lou in. So they were essentially his bosses, both of them. And we've had both of them on weaponized, which is really neat.

People should go watch the interview with Dr. James Lackatzky and Dr. Colin Kelleher that we did. Officially allowed to tell us that the United States government has in its possession a craft of unknown origin and you were able to access the inside. Is that correct? The wording that you read is correct. Ah, you're going beyond the wording.

No, I'm not. I'm asking you, did that mean happen? and is it true? And it's true. Yes. Okay, you're telling us, you told us because you were allowed to tell us that our government has a UFO in its possession

and has been able to access the inside of it, right? Yes. And also watch the parts that we played, I think was episode two with Jay Stratton, when you were kind of authorized to put some of it out. There's a lot of information there. But Lewis played such a critical role in making this,

public. He's put his head above the parapet. He's taken fire by the government. He's taken fire by social media. I mean, it's got to be rough for him. I mean, the guy's just trying to do the right thing is what it seems like, right? And man, it's been a rough road for Lou. Yeah, I'm glad to see the success for him. It has been a rough road. I know that financially what it did to he and his wife, his family, after he left the job that he had, it was pretty rough for a while. So I don't begrudge him his success, not one bit. I know there are going to be different versions. There's a lot of discussion about whether Jay Stratton is writing a book. Can't say right now. Is he? Oh, you can't say? I can't say, but I think we'll probably, we'll buy here something about that soon. I like real soon.

That's great. And, you know, I, you know, and there are going to be differences. Right. That's going to be. The real problem stems from the very first story about this. That New York Times story was incredibly important. It opened up everything. It changed. It changed. UFO world forever, but it got things wrong. Now, atyp didn't get $22 million from Harry Reid. It didn't, you know, and that, that mistake, that error has never been corrected, and it gets repeated every day, every single day. And that's where a lot of that confusion stems from.

So, you know, maybe someday there will be a formal correction of that. I'm not hold my breath. Yeah, I'm, yeah, you press that and, you know, there's, anyway, Yeah, we'll see what happens. But I think bottom line is, you know, Lou one man, he's got number one New York Times bestseller book. I am so glad that so many people are reading his book. His voice is so important. We would not be here today if he had not pushed and really put himself out there.

And I think it's also encouraging. I think with Lou doing that, he's going to encourage other people, you know, to tell their side or their aspect of it. I liked hearing Lou back up David Grush because I know David Grush worked with all of those guys. So the fact that Lou was public about it, I think the first time on coast to coast where he actually talked about that, you know, saying, hey, David Grush is somebody you should listen to. I've known him. He's a man of honor and he's telling it like it is. However, he worded it. I thought that was really important. Me too. I, you know, let's let's talk about his book a little bit as a segue to where we're headed next. So, chapter two is just called Calaris. And it delves into a story that I've looked at a lot.

In Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, that was a book co-written by Jim Likaski, Colum, Kelleher, and Me. It goes into this particular dinner that was held at the beginning of Ossap, where all these really high-powered, big-brain people got together, including Likaski, Kelleher, Bigelow, and Lou, who was invited to it. And Likaski and Kelleher described in our Skinwalker's book, what had happened at that event. Lou does sort of the similar thing, but from a different perspective, a guy walking in not knowing about UFOs all that much and gets exposed to

information about Coleris, which is an infamous outlier series of events, 1977 in Brazil, where UFOs came out of the sky and essentially attacked people. And the stories have been in newspapers around the world that people died, that there were serious injuries in this remote part of the Brazilian Amazon, an island in the middle of the Amazon Delta, where people scattered, they were freaked out, they left their homes, and then actually this spread beyond just Kalaras into other communities in that area, a lot of people were affected by it. The Brazilian Air Force comes in, investigates it for several months, keeps all those files secret for many, many years, and then when Osap was created, the Brazilian Air Force government gave that stuff to

Osap, two bass, the Bigelow team, Lakatsky and Kelleher, etc. And they started talking about it at this dinner. There was the Brazilian Air Force commander, Ochoa, who was there and regaled everyone with stories about what had happened. Lou puts it in his book. Well, that story is of interest to me. I was in Brazil not too long ago for something I'll tell you about down the road,

and looked at Kalaris. And one of the people who helped me understand what had happened to Colars back then, and what is still unfolding now in Brazil, an incredible history of strange UFO events on a mass scale, this guy, Tiago Ticcetti, who is, he's sort of the foremost UFO investigator and author in Brazil these days, after the passing of our friend A.J. Gavard, he's written a massive book called UFO Contacts in Brazil. It's like an encyclopedia of hundreds and hundreds of really well-documented cases. I got to spend some time with him.

I also interviewed him on coast-to-coast not long ago, and I thought, Jeremy, the he'd be a great guest for us here on weaponized. I'm pumped to meet your buddy Tiago, and yeah, talk about Kalaris, because before we get into it, Brazil has been really unique in the whole thing because this is the one case from Jacques Valet

all the way through Ossap. You told me so much about this. It's the one kind of head scratcher where these UAP UFOs were harming people. People died because of direct attacks, it seems like, from UAP UFOs. So they're getting wild in Brazil. What's going on? So I'm excited to talk to your friend.

Well, it is an outwire incident because, you know, all the incidents around the world, people see you off on the sky and it goes away or it zips into the water or it just vanishes. It flies into a, into a butte. You know, not really any really strong. strong incidents where they attack humans. But in this case, they did. It is an outlier. It is unusual.

And hundreds of people were affected by it. And the witnesses would say it looked like they were shooting laser beams at them. There's new information and further information in the files that suggests something else. I think we should wait and talk to Tiago about what the evidence showed, the physical evidence showed. All right, let's bring them in. Tiago. Tiago, how you doing? I'm fine. Thank you.

George, hi, Jeremy. It's a pleasure to be here. Tiago, you, I don't know if you've read Lou Elizando's book, but as you know, right off the bat early in the book, he starts talking about Kalaras. That was probably kind of a thrill for you in that, you know, it redirects attention to some of the historical cases that you've investigated. Yes, I start to read the book. I've not finished it yet. I received it two days ago, so I start to read it. And the first chapter I read was about Calares, of course. I jumped for the second chapter. And, well, what Louis Elisandor wrote in that book was real, was real. But even more, I can see even more dramatic because, you know, we were there.

We heard people from the Caloris and Barcahanea while they experienced it. when they were attacked by U.S.O.U.A.P.'s IRO machines, because they saw the shapes many times. And this attacks occurred during the night, the day, the doll, any time. So the people got very scared about it. Yeah, hundreds of them left Kalaras. They left their hose, right? Just took off. A thousand left cities are several cities in Brazil. We met Carlos Maitre. as a journalist in Brazil, in Kalaris, and he told us that, well, I can count more than 2,000 people were attacked by this year. So the chupa chupa phenomenon, the sex, suck phenomenon in Brazil. You know, it's in the history of UFOs around the world. It is obviously an outlier.

There just aren't any other incidents quite like that. What was going on there? You know, the stories that we've always heard is they looked like it was laser beams. They were shooting lasers out of the sky and trying to hurt people. What do you think was really underway now that you had a chance to be on the ground there and talk to some of the people who survived it? No, it's still a mystery because the U.S. foes, the UEPs, were attacking people

and they have to run and some had to ride, to hide, in church, in house, but even though you are sleeping at your house, the UFO just hovered above it and shed down a laser and hit you through the ceiling. So it's crazy.

And what people were saying, that doesn't matter what you do. They were there. They tried to get away the U.S.os using fireworks or guns, but it doesn't work it. So we don't know what happened there. It's still a mystery. And the Air Force team were there to investigate. and they try to give it an answer for that because they were there to investigate

but they couldn't. They found more with since they could take photos, they could record films and they left the cities with one conclusion. Something was happened there. They cannot explain it. All right, load a question, Tiago. So all this UFO footage from, it sounds like the Brazilian military,

1977, huge, you know, UFO invasion, man. Like, what does this footage show and where did it go after they filmed it all? Well, the footage shows UAPs coming in, coming out of rivers, of lagoons. UAPs coming from the wood, from the forest, or passing by, or just hovering, or shooting, bin of flights to the ground, searching for something, perhaps. But we don't know where are the footage.

We don't know. We think we have some, we heard some rumors that this footage 22 hours are now in United States we have a rumors suspicious

that the American agents probably some with the three letters three came to Brazil and confiscated or got or borrow the many documents

photos and those films So 22 hours of footage recorded by the Brazilian military of the UAP coming in and out of lagoons in from the forest I mean probably some of the best footage we could possibly imagine

and you're certain that it exists to a high degree Yes we know that it exists because Captain with a Jolanda was the leader of the team he told to AJ Javier than Mahcon Torpeche he told them that we recorded, we recorded more than 22 hours of film.

Of course they did. Yeah. Where are the films now? The footage, we don't know. Well, first time I met Tiago in person, Jeremy, he told me what his suspicion was, is that it came here to Las Vegas, that it went to Bass, OSAP, the DIA program. And I could just confirm this, that I have seen files from the Brazilian Air Force that did go to Bass. I have not seen the video. So if Ossap had it, they didn't let me see it.

And I'd like to see it. Because I've heard it and read about it describe these things coming out of the water and just sitting there being recorded on film cameras by the Brazilian Air Force. That'd be some really great footage to have. If it's here, I'll poke around and see what you can find, but, you know, I'm not holding my breath. All new drinks are now at McDonald's. with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Spriteberry blast

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Toss green salads with delicious ranch dressing or zesty Italian. Serve smooth, craveably creamy potato salads with mayo. We all know it's not a cookout without craft. How long did the Brazilian Air Force sit on this stuff, Tiago, until they decided to release it? And you talk to Jeremy and I about the difference between your government and how our government handles this issue. Well, they did not decide it. They were persuaded to, from 977 to, let's say, with Angelandah, the Captain Reginalanda spoke about that for the first time in 1997. Sorry, in 1997, so 20 years after the events.

But Bob Pratt was here before that, and he got some documents and information. but it was just, no, a glimpse, just a glimpse. And when Widenjolanda spoke with AJ and Mark Montan-Pitri, he always showed a lot of documents. And in 2005, we started, we created a campaign here in Brazil called UFO Freedom of Information Now. And from 2005, for now, to now, 2024, we now have more than 10,000 documents release it in the Brazilian National Archive on Internet and everywhere.

You can see it. So the Brazilian government, the military government, sat down on it for 20 years, at least, 20 years. They were trying to avoid to discuss about this because that mission, the Air Force mission was secret. Of course, everybody saw them there, but the press saw them, but they were there just to investigate some light, something in the sky. And they concluded that there was nothing in common there, nothing words there.

So, well, if that was not words, I don't know what word is. One of the question about Calaris, the attacks. So this picture that's been painted in international media for all these years is these were attacks out of the blue by UFOs on the poor people of Coleris and it was unprovoked and we can't explain it. Do you think that there's a different perception

that's probably more accurate, that these laser beams maybe weren't laser beams. That was something else. It was some kind of a sampling operation rather than an attack. Yes, because the people that have been attacked by this laser beam they went to the doctor, they got sick, nausea, something like that tired. And they went to the,

the, the, uh, Velaide was the only woman doctor there, Dr. Belige. And, uh, she made some exams, uh, of the, of the people. And, uh, she discovered that,

uh, they lost blood and not only blood. They lost iron from the blood. So that thing was sucking blood. That's why we call them shupa shupa, suck-a-suck. But also they are sucking iron. The people got anemia. So for what purpose? We don't know.

We don't know. And while we are there, I was talking with people in a car in the street. and I found an old guy a gentleman and Mr. Francisco I think it's Francisco

and I asked him he was 780 years old something like that and I asked him do you know what happened here in 977 7 the super super phenomena yes I saw it

saw it and two three meters from me a lady was hit by a bin of light, a laser, and they think got her neck, and when he left the neck, the blood was linking. And that thing, it's like a rope, something like that was going back to the UAP, but the blood was linking.

So it was material. It's not the imagination, was material, and he saw that. And we know that officially just one people died, but we think that much more people die because this attack happened in the inner of Brazil, where the cities are very far from each other. We have to take a pole, you have to take a road, three, four hours a road, a boat, a boat, two, three hours in a river that looks like a, ocean and that this attack happened in the smallest cities of north and northeast of Brazil. So we think that more people died because of that attacks. So this is a pretty, is it a pretty rural area in Kalaris? So you've got people that are not engaging with like, you know, a whole bunch of technology

all the time in 1977 and you have UAP in the sky coming out of the, water coming through the force and shooting not only light, but it sounds like there's a physical attachment. And you call them chupa chupa, which means suck, suck, because they're pulling blood out of people. And this old man saw the blood dripping down. Yes, that's it. And people left, people left because they were, didn't want to live there anymore with all this shit going on. Yes, they, they, they, they, they, they, well, six o'clock, six o'clock. They shoot out their windows, the doors. No one was. was a street.

But even if you were at your house, inside of your house, if the UEP, the UFO wanted, just shoot a laser beam through the ceiling and hit you. We have cases, several cases that happen there like this. So there's no way to avoid it. A woman and children many times run to the children. church to pray while the man was on the beach, try to avoid the attacks, but they couldn't do nothing. The European just appeared over the beach and shoot down a laser beam a light and

looks like searching something and go inside the woods, the forest, and then come back and dies in the river. What was that? We don't know what was that. So people were like self-corporal. They were closing up their houses at 6 p.m. Like the whole town, they wouldn't go out at night because it's just happening more at night. Is that the thing? Happen at night during the day, daylight, during the dog. There's no time, any time, in time of the day. Of course, at night, should be, have more cases, but their attack happened any time.

So they'd have these beams, what looked like beams of light. hit these people and they a lot of them hundreds of them went to seek medical care they had puncture wounds what looked like puncture wounds and they were anemic so something jams into their chest and their bodies takes blood out it sounds like a sampling operation i there's nothing else like it it makes you wonder tago i mean who were these visitors they're they don't act like UFOs have acted around the world Maybe it was just some rogue group or a rogue program, wherever they're from. What do you think? Yes.

I don't know. DNA tests, blood tests, something like that. We don't have an answer for that. And, well, if it was just one case, two cases, four cases. It was like over reaction, something like that. But more than 2,000 people heard to Carlos Mendes were attacked by this. in many cities of the state of Parah and Marinole. There must be a lot of medical records.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Are there medical records? The medical records. Yes, we had it by they vanish it. What do you mean they vanished? Disappeared from Brazil hospitals. Just disappear.

So you'd imagine that there's a lot of people. It's kind of like in the Virginia case with the alien being or whatever is claimed, you have to imagine there's photos. When people get injured and then they go to the hospital, someone's going to take a photo of the holes in the neck. Have you seen any of those?

Well, there are famous photos with people that got hit in the neck or in the leg or an arm under the arm. But the records, the magical records, and more

pictures, I suppose, more pictures, just disappeared from the hospital. Carlos' manager was a journalist in Paray State. And he investigated much more cases than the Air Force team because he was working there. He took a lot of pictures as well, published in a newspaper. And Carlos told us that one day appeared a man from Peru, a guy from Peru.

oh, I live in Peru, but I want to know how the newspaper here in Brazil works. And that Carlos told us that this guy was actually an agent from the United States, trying to get all the documents in the newspaper, the photos and everything. And Carlos told the world, Chagos, the reports, the, the reports, Medical reports from 99, 98% of all the victims just disappear. We don't have the records. If you want to go to Colaris and try to find the record, you could not find it. It would be a point or disappear, something like that.

Give me a sense of, you know, the Brazilian Air Force investigated. Eventually those records end up in the U.S. and this DIA program. what is the level of cooperation between your government, your military, and ours? Because I know there is suspicion. Brazilians are suspicious of North Americans for very good reasons. But would the Brazilian military take their cue from the U.S., from the CIA, say, and hide records, videos, things of that sort, if the CIA decided they wanted that to happen? Well, George, I don't know if they have some corporations.

something like that. I think so. I think so. Because the United States is the biggest country in the world like me, economy and a military. And we are talking about 977. We still have the Soviet Union, the capitalism and socialism. We have this dispute, this battle. What is good, what is evil, what's not evil, something like that. And the United States has had this there's influence in Brazil always had this influence and we are living

at a military times here in Brazil we have a generals in a president so I think that for some reason and we don't know why

the military of the United States are involved with that or not only military just the agents intelligence of the United States who are involved but of this case in Colaris. George, yes.

I want to just ask you, so the Coleris, you know, set of events and the history of UFOs and everything is going, it's highly documented by a government. We know the U.S. was working in some way with the Brazilian government. I mean, even people you know sat in on some of those meetings, you know, from OSAP with one of the generals in Claris. So what is your suspicion? What is your suspicion about Claris? the role it plays in kind of the whole UFO thing, and how much do we know? How much did the U.S.

get from these really odd cases? Well, my sense in talking to Tiago for quite a while now is that the Brazilian Air Force got a lot more information and solid evidence than has been made public. How much of that ended up here? I suspect the bulk of it did, but it's a really great case, profound in so many ways because it's such an outlier in the history of the world. There's nothing quite like it. Over so many people involved, over such a big area,

so well documented, and so aggressive on the part of the UFOs wherever they're from, there's nothing quite like it. And thank goodness there aren't more like it because it was terrifying for the people there. I hope that someday, whatever the evidence is that's stashed away will come out.

But the evidence that's already been made public is very convincing. I mean, you know, Tiago mentioned about these photos. They were printed in newspapers at the time. He's friends with the journalist at the time who was right on top of that investigation and who ran these stories and got grief for it. You know, he had people come to his boss and try to make it stop. It's a fascinating case.

But look, the history of Brazil, man, you have so many big cases there, Tiago. I would think, A, because it's such a gigantic country, Amazon, there are so many scattered communities where things could happen that you never hear about because people are not necessarily connected. There must be all kinds of stuff that goes on that can keep you busy for the rest of your life. Yeah, we have all types of cases here, UFO cases here in Brazil. We have the Virginia incident like the Roosevelt. The Brazilian Rolfo is Virginia. We have the night of the USO's, 1986. Tell Jeremy about that one. Yeah. Yeah. In 1910, On May on 1986, the Brazil was invaded by UFOs.

We had more than 22 UFOs chasing and being chased by Brazilian military aircrafts. So control center, uh, military tower controls in Brazil, they saw it. They saw it and they were recorded on the radar stream. pilots from civil companies they saw UFOs and admitted five jets 3 F5 and 2 mirages

they scrambled to chase, identify and trying to understand what it's going on so in three different states San Paulo, Brazil and Rio de Janeiro the UFOs were

in the Brazil skies and the UFO was were like one meter diameter 10 meter diameter 100 meter size so the Brazil was invaded

and this took for around six, eight hours from nine o'clock from the on May on May 9th

to six in the morning on 20. And this is 1986, right? 90s, yes, 986. So, yeah, I have to imagine, and I know a little bit because you shared some with us, but the UFO phenomenon in Brazil, it sounds like that there's been some dramatic events. You're talking about real physical things that happen to people, but then also USOs in 1986. But you just shared with us that recently, August 7th of 2024,

So this month, that's 35 records, all of which occurred in 2023, so last year, that there was 35 records of pilots, both military and commercial, reporting UFOs, UAPs in different forms. And something you wrote us, and that's really great, that the government, you know, release these, the public can go through them, and they can translate them now on Google immediately into whatever language that they speak. But something I read in what you wrote us was that the description given by the Brazilian Air Force to the UFOs encountered by pilots during these flights was traffic hotel. Can you help me understand that from a language barrier?

What does that mean when the government's saying, you know, traffic hotel for UFO? What does that mean? Because the pilots, they would say all veneish is like UFOs. the word a traffic hotel they invented invented it created this

this word this words back in the 60s when some pilots saw it and they didn't want to talk UFO

and the first pilot don't know certainly what the name but I saw some traffic hotel What I mean hotel or traffic hotel? You go to a hotel, stay when I can leave. Just like this. It's very fast.

Come and leave. So that's why they start to call a traffic hotel. And these 35 cases that happened in 2023, it's not, I'm pretty sure there's not the total of the cases. We have much more. But this 35 were reported reported by pilots. to the Brazilian Air Force. And Brazilian Air Force have a directory, 511,

that, well, everything that pilots saw and reports to Brazilian Air Force, the Brazilian Air Force have to put in a database and then sent to National Archives here in Brazil. So every year, every year, we have some reports made by pilots to the Burzian to the Burz and their source. And they have, it's a law, they have to publish. They have to send to natural archives. And that's why I, as an oncologist, I have all, every day I go to National Archives to see

if I have a, we have a new report. Oh, man, you got to physically go down there? Oh, rather than, so this is, okay, so this is wild. Let me just back up to make sure I understand I can be a little dense sometimes. So what you're saying is back in the day, people didn't want to. to say UFO if they're a military or commercial pilot. So instead of saying UFO, they came up with a term traffic hotel, as if things come stay for a little while and then depart never to be seen again. And this is like a terminology that people use over the air and that sort of thing. So they don't

have to feel like a cuck saying, UFO, UFO, they say in Brazil, traffic hotel. Is that correct? That's it. That said perfect. Okay. So then the other thing that really struck me from what you're telling me about these, and I've read through them, by the way, but the 35 different reports, it's probably the tip of the iceberg, but I noticed report 860, you're talking about a cube-shaped UFO nine meters long. Report 868. You're talking about cigar-shaped UFO, two to three meters long, making jumps. You're talking about case 875, star-shaped object, white in color, which at times turned reddish in color, and then case 871, several white luminous objects with no defined shape, flying and making jumps.

So what really struck me about those four cases, man, we're seeing the same cases with our military systems. You're seeing star shape, cigar shape, like the tick-tac. You're seeing these cubes with spherical oras. It also reminds me back in the day when you get the, the Mount Rainier sightings, and that's some of the original UFO sightings, why we call them flying saucers, is because of the way they moved. They skipped like a saucer on water. That wasn't the shape of the craft. They were more like bat-winged back in the day. But what we're

seeing in Brazil, as of last year, is this variety pack of UFOs from cigars to sharps to cubes to spheres and the skipping motion. I mean, In your opinion in Brazil, has there been an increase of frequency or just an increase of documentation at people with cameras and stuff? Jeremy, both. I think it's both. Yeah. Because now the pilots, well, now the pilots, they feel free to talk more about it. Okay.

Now the here Brazil, the technology is taking more. seriously by the media. Well, they have more comfortable to speak. Not to speak. Report. And here was real as well.

We have a lot of signing. I got more than 10 emails a day with people reporting something. Of course we can explain the most part of it. 90%. Yeah, 9 out of 10, you can explain. You're lucky. You only get 10 emails a day.

I mean, look, we ask for it. We want, but you're taking reports for all of Brazil. And we're taking reports too. Georgia, it's like a slot machine at midnight. Just boom, boom, boom. It's so good. There's someone like you in Brazil, just open-minded, taking the reports, because that data, you can run it through AI later, right? You'll be able to understand that data a lot more in the future, but just collecting it, the fact that people can reach out to you, especially in Brazil. How do people reach out to you? Do you have an email that people can report Brazilian UFO cases? Yeah, yeah. People can find me. Yeah, people can find me at my social media. I'm just have my name, Tiago Ticcacchi. You can find me. And my email is T-L-T-I-C-C-H-E-W-T-T-I-H-E-T-E-T-E-H-E-T-H. Yeah.

Ahoo.org.com.com.B.R. We'll post it. Yeah. We're going to make sure that people can reach out to you because sometimes there's a language barrier. A lot of times I'm doing translation just in emails to really understand what people are sending me. But I think I highly encourage people, especially to speak Portuguese and they're in Brazil, to make sure to be thorough and go to you, Tiago, so that we can communicate and try to put these cases together. But wow, what a fun place to investigate UFO. is in the heart of some of the wildest cases of physical problems people have had as well as U.S.Os. You have to come here, Jeremy, have to come here.

I've been many times to train Jiu-Jitsu and Capuera and that kind of thing, but I've never been for UFOs. This is the book, I'll plug it again. UFO contacts in Brazil. It is like an encyclopedia. In addition to the night of UFOs and the Operation Plato, which is Operation Plate, Saucer, And Vargina.

Vargina, Zha, Ubta, Tuba, many, many. This is a UFO and metal raining down on a beach, and the metal samples have been analyzed. Very interesting. The guy who was abducted for sexual reasons, the first really big abduction case happened in Brazil. Yeah, the Villa Boas case, the 9757, almost 10 years before the Barney in Batheel. Tiago, so I spent a few months specifically in Forteastern, of Brazil during my jiu-jitsu days, and it sounds beautiful. I hear it's a great beach town. All I saw was fists and feet in a little garage in a favela where I was training for three months,

sleeping in a hammock. I didn't get to see any of the beautiful stuff. So I'd love to travel to Brazil for UFOs and get to look at the night sky and try to see some of the beauty. I was there for the martial arts at the time. But yeah, that's great, man. You both are invited to come to Brazil and stay at my house. Well, in Brazil, we don't have a beach in Brazil. We are in the middle of Brazil, but we say that the beach, the sea of Brazil is the sky. It's so blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Monopoly is a trademark of Hasbro. Hasbro is not a sponsor of this promotion. Tiago, so you have a website where you post all these photos and reports that people could read. I'm asking in this context is today I read that Twitter X is being banned in Brazil. That has been shut down. So I want to make sure people can find you. Yeah, can find me at Instagram, Tiago Chiquetti, just put together.

We can find me at the Revista UFO Magazine. UFO Magazine. UFO.com. dot PR. I'm the editor of the magazine after AJ. And you can find me in Facebook, in TikTok, just type Tiagochiccatch. You can find me. You can find all information, good information about the phology in Brazil. He always updated. Yeah, for everybody, we're going to put all your links in because I'm a horrible speller and you get something wrong. So I'll make sure to put all the links in. I had one other question before we let you go, Tiago. Your father was in the Air Force.

Did you ever set him down and say, Dad, what's the deal? Give me the lowdown. Oh, many times, many times. And the last time I did it, I got it. Your own dad, your own dad was holding out until he got older to tell you his understanding of the UFO phenomenon.

Yeah, my father was a military. It's a colonel in Brazil of the Air Force. And he loved it being a military. So what did he say? What's up with the UFOs? What did he say? Well, he loved the subject. Since I was a kid, I knew that he loved it.

And at the end of his career, my father just passed away 20 years ago. And in the end of his life, he was working at a Brazilian Air Force intelligence, the A-2's intelligence of the Brazilian Air Force. And he was divorced of my mother. and every weekend we go to his work and then to his house. And I always ask that, always ask that, what do you have here about the UFOs? I have nothing, I have nothing.

One day I asked it again, just routine. I asked it again. And I pick the phone and call somebody. Bring the two boxes of a UFO archive that we have here. Whoa. And the soldier, soldier, came with two brown. boxes, there's paper boxes. And I started

to read it and my father told me you have 10 minutes to see and read everything you want. And so I started I started to see the file just as a

dialogue between pilots and control and towers and I got one one file that had a picture Jeremy and George was a perfect picture of a UFO perfect

if I show you today you're going to say oh Chuck is an artificial intelligence or photo shop was perfect it's just like the pilot was in a commercial airplane because you can see the cockpit and the pilot just

turned to the left and took the picture I don't know the year but when I saw it was 1990 1992, when my father showed me that

and the pilot just turned to the left and to the photo and the UFO was 300, 400, 400 minutes from the airplane. It was daylight and the UFO was

disk-shaped the UFO. Silver, shine the sunlight and I got crazy with that photo and as dad can I have it? No, and you have

7 minutes in 35 seconds. That can I make a copy because a black and white copy, we don't have phones in 1999 cell phones with camera. And he said no, you have

seven minutes in 25 seconds. Wow. What I did. I was 92 I was 15 15, 15 years old. Yeah. And I start to write down

the smallest reports because I wanted quantity, not quality. So I was young, sorry. And I got 17 paces, 17 reports.

I wrote it and some have drawings. I copied the drawings. And when I got the home, I put it in my I type it on an old machine type, Oliveri machine. And I type it I have these files today with May, but that photos.

And they're perfect verbatim, but hold on. You were about to say that photo. Tell me more. Well, that photo, I never saw it. I never, never were released it. I never saw the photo published. You never been public. And never have been public.

And the files that I wrote down, I never saw these files. Always be public. I think George and I can relate, you know, not to being 50. and being exposed to this, but being exposed to imagery, video, or information, and you're like, if people could just see this, you know, it's so frustrating. You're talking about seeing a crystal clear image of a UFO that in that era, in that age, not generated by AI or anything like that, that if people could just see. So imagine, that's just your dad who's in the intelligence agencies in Brazil,

finally relenting to his 50-year-old son, you have 10 minutes or whatever with the boxes. Can you imagine the high fidelity imagery and video that we do have and that we're not able to see? It's a real, it's a crime, man. It's a shame.

Yeah, Jeremy, I saw a thousand of photos of the shows. Everything you and George released, I saw it and so, but it's not is that 1% like what I saw. something was clear

that's so cool at least you have that experience yeah I did I did it's in my brain yeah I guess thanks so much for sharing time with us we wanted our our listeners our audience to get to know you

we're hoping that some UFO organizations here in the US will notice that you're such a diligent worker you have great contacts you're honest you work hard at this they need to invite you up here so the American audience can see you in person Oh, thank you.

It's a pleasure. I love the mythology. I love the research. My wife asked me, grab the 17 accounts and send it to us or put it out online. We'll direct people to it. But I think those are very valuable because those are pure, clean accounts that you transcribe that the world hasn't seen. I think that's really important, really valuable.

And I do hope if you're doing any of these UFO talks or anything, I'll come see your talk with George. Be excited to see that. You know, thank you so much for spending the time. I think we're going to have you on again so we can go deeper into the cases. It's going to be a pleasure for me. Thank you very much for invitation, Jeremy and George. See you, Tago. Bye.

Yeah, man, wow, that was cool to talk with Tiago. You told me a lot about him. His personal experience of his dad being an intelligence agent in Brazil and letting him have access to these UFO files that the world still hasn't seen. It drives me crazy, man. It drives me crazy. But I'm glad that he had that experience. I guess I want to hear your opinion, George.

So the international impact of the idea of what we've done here in the U.S., with the hearings and the New York Times report, all of your reporting and the releases, it sounds like Brazil, and I'm sure in other countries, that people are being a little bit more free pilots and whatnot reporting this stuff. Do you think it's had a global impact what the U.S. has done in the last five years? I'm sure it has.

You know, the whole world pays attention to us, via social media, be your regular mainstream media as well. Things that make news here make news all over the world. And I think the thaw, there's been sort of a thaw, some of the stigma that's decreased. I think that's probably spread out to other countries as well. You know, the South American governments in general have been way more open with their public and releasing records than has the U.S. You know, our government has had to have been drag kicking and screaming, and now they're pushing. back and you can see they've tightened the screws, there's a lot harder to get information and for them to be honest with us. But, you know, there's a lot of public impetus behind the push

for transparency. I've said before what I think is going to happen. I'm not holding my breath for disclosure. I don't think it will ever happen. And I think they've shown that Arrow report that dismissed everything. Everything's been explained. TikTok, gimbal, everything shows that they are not going to give up on this fight. They are going to have to be drag, kicking, and screaming toward anything even approaching disclosure, my feeling. But yeah, it's good to see in Brazil and other countries the general public being more interested in topic and the thaw in relations in terms of the stigma and how it's perceived. All right. So next question. I got two more. So confirm, deny, or disagree? Was the purpose of AASAP at the

beginning, the acknowledged UFO program that everybody should know about now, was the purpose of that program, a lot of it, to literally transfer a UFO from Lockheed Martin into the OSAP program to be able to bring it through the front door and have more bright minds working on the UFO that James Lekatsky admitted to, Dr. James Skatsky admitted to, was that one of the primary purposes that Ossap was created for us to obtain this material or this craft. Confirm, deny, or disagree? I think it was definitely a big part of what Ossap hoped to happen. That has been told to me, you know, by multiple people who were involved in it.

They really did hope to get the goodies. I mean, it's confirmed by Robert Bigelow when he first talked about the program. He spent a million dollars to retrofit Bigelow Aerospace in order to get it ready to accept certain materials. We know the kind of materials we're talking about. And they were told them some things about it. That transfer never happened for a variety of reasons. But yeah, that was a really big part of why ASEP was created. Absolutely. Yeah, the Lockheed Martin has a craft from a crash from the 50s and they were going to try to give it to Aassette. That's my thing. I'm not saying it's definitely Lockheed Martin, but that's a pretty good guess. Okay, I'll make a few guesses,

but that's a good one. Okay, last thing. Do you think or can you try to find out, I know you've been exposed to a huge amount of the OSAP UFO files, do you think that OSCEP has access to the 22 hours of footage shot by the Brazilian military of the incidents at Kalaris? Do you think Ossap has access to that 22 hours or can find out where it is? Well, Ossap doesn't exist anymore.

So if they had it, It's sitting in the bowels of the DIA somewhere. Someone, I think people that we know, if it's there, they could access it. I would hope they could. But I don't know. I mean, you know, we know those guys pretty well. I've asked about this before. I have not been had anybody even come close to confirming they've got the kinds of images that Tiago just described to us.

I've been through those files. You know, I've seen most of that stuff about Coleris and from the Brazilian in Air Force, and I haven't seen any of that stuff. I'd love to see it. If it's out there, I'd love to see it. But, you know, maybe we could poke around. We'll poke around and see what it's fine. Well, thanks, man.

Thanks for the update on UFO Mania on X. And it was great to have your friend Tiago from Brazil here. And I hope everybody enjoyed the weaponized. And we'll be back soon. Never has so few had so much to tell, but would say so little.