WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - THE "JELLYFISH" UFO - How It Happened & What It Means

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

In the fall of 2017, security personnel at a U.S. military base in Iraq detected a highly unusual intruder. The bizarre object was essentially invisible to all but a thermal imaging system. A thermal recording of the object as it flew across the base was made by astonished observers. Within minutes, a video feed of the episode was cut off from U.S. allies located within the same base. Intelligence assets at the base continued to monitor the object as it crossed the facility, then zipped over an adjacent body of water, stopped on a dime, plunged into the lake, then emerged 17 minutes later and blazed into the heavens at an astonishing speed.  An attempt was made by the base commanders to collect and suppress all evidence of the incident. Witnesses were all sworn to secrecy. The full video files were seized, then buried. But somehow, a partial copy of the video was made and stored on an secret internal server. The object, dubbed "the spaghetti monster" by those who later saw parts of the video, seemingly resembled a jellyfish. It was widely viewed by base personnel in the months afterward.   In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George reveal details about how and when they obtained a video of the sensational Jellyfish UFO, what steps were taken to try and discern what it might be, and also respond to spurious attempts to explain away the jellyfish UFO as something other than a legitimate UAP. That Jellyfish video exploded onto the UFO scene days ago and has now been viewed by millions of people around the world. Included in this episode are comments from one of the military personnel who was present at the base soon after the incident. •••  Watch the three-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : https://tubitv.com/series/300002259  •••  GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [e-mail] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media.  Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at https://WeaponizedPodcast.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I just want to share what I saw. I think the first interview that most people saw was conducted by the New York Post. Were they trying to get you just to debunk it right out the gate? I think they wanted me to. Let's play the second video. Secrets, cover-ups, and strange phenomena. UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself.

All these mysteries, all this time. Are we ever going to get to the bottom of these? My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't. I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp, as always, with my compadre Jeremy Corbell.

Quite a week in UFO world, the great smudge versus bird poop debate rage, an iconic UFO shape and video entered the modern lexicon. members of Congress heard some startling testimony from Inspector General related to the allegations made by David Grush and all the folks behind TMZ uncorked a stellar groundbreaking series that's already been seen all over the world. This will be a bit of an odd episode, Jeremy, bifurcated, sort of a hybrid because we're including chunks of an episode that we originally recorded months ago but did not unleash. Can you tell our listeners why? Yeah, man, George, it's because what you told me from the very beginning, it is our duty to protect sources, even if they don't protect themselves. And we also wanted to kind of smoke out people and see who would come forward and are they going to try to do disinfo or real information. So we were kind of like not giving every detail, not because we didn't want to, but because that's how we know if somebody was actually there. So these specifics that we have, we held back in this part people are going to. And so we're going to be.

going to hear and see soon. It was just so like we're like surface level. Here's what happened. And then let's see who comes forward. And holy shit. I mean, we had a number of sources before. But now people are coming out of the woodwork, even publicly. So that's what people are going to hear in just a minute is kind of like what we recorded when we were just starting to lay the pipe, you know?

Yeah. So we'll get into sort of the birth of the jellyfish story, the jellyfish video. give some indications how it came into our possession and what steps we were taking to try to verify that it was a real deal. There's a lot of debate about this, of course. But it started, the world got to see it first on this Harvey Levin production.

You know, of course people bitched and moaned about Harvey, oh my God, TMZ, it's going to be on Tubi. This is terrible. I don't know if they think, though, we should only unveil UFO videos or cases on masterpiece theater or something on PBS or... You know, it can only happen in some other platform, but Harvey is interested in this topic. He does good work.

He's, you know, expressed his interest and how much he knows about it before to us. And he has this amazing production machine at his disposal. So I was pretty impressed by the series. Yeah, you know, look, me too. You know, it was crazy because being the subject, you know, as we often are in these things, I don't know what the final thing is going to be like precisely, but I'll say this. Yeah, people were like, oh, UFOs on TMZ, that's a bad thing. Dude, we need to engage popular culture.

We need to engage the average person just watching television. Like I'd like to say, my mom is like, you know, hey, that's interesting. Then, wow, we've really reached a wide variety. TMZ really has earned my trust. And let me throw down here for a second. Like out of everybody that I've ever worked with on a production, the only person that has ever meant what they said and did what they said they would was actually Harvey Levin.

He'll tell you, if we ever get him on this show, he'll tell you, I was so skeptical of him. I put him on his fucking heels. I told him he had to earn my trust. And when we did that first series, George, where we're releasing government filmed footage of officially designated UAP confirmed by the Pentagon, man, he earned my trust. So when he called me and said, hey, man, let's go deep. Let's do a deep one. I was like, okay, let's do it because I inherently trusted him.

So the TMZ production and the crew, I just have to say shout out to Gustavo, shout out to Ryan. I mean, these guys just really went for it and did such a good job. I was actually, I saw the series now. I was catching up like everybody else. I finally got to see what they wove together. And man, it's a fun series. It's informative.

The fact you and I decided to release it using this. Now, let me explain that. You know it, George, but let me explain it to the audience here. This is perilous, man. Our job is to protect sources, even if they don't protect themselves. Getting shit out in a big way real quick, it helps eliminate some of the things. threat. Like, let's get it out there. I was grateful to work with them. And by the way, look, TMZ, it's owned by Fox. Fox is connected to Tobe. It's the way that the world works

to get information out. Look at the product. Look at the final product. And I was really, although uncomfortable, I, you know, seeing it. I was really happy with it, man. It has been nothing to see here. Move on. All of that has changed. He was a phenomenal. that the government couldn't protect us from. What's really going on with the UFO situation? What was the most impressive thing to you about this video, which the world has not seen yet? It has everyone asking questions.

More and more witnesses are coming forward. There are many who believe that the government is hiding the truth of this. Are we alone in the universe? No. They're coming here. Yeah, I thought it looked pretty good. And you know, you can't wait for 60 minutes to do UFO shows. Because, you know, it could be, you know,

years in between when they might cover something. We're glad that they originally had some kind of an interest in it, but you can't wait on mainstream media. They're still ignoring it. So a popular platform and a popular producer like Harvey is where you go. I mean, you want to reach a vast audience. We're not tailoring this content to UFO world. It's supposed to be humanity that should be interested in this stuff.

Totally, man. And so I really don't care. I mean, you know, George, it's not just like lip service. Like, I don't fucking read that shit. I don't get involved with that nonsense when it comes to like the online trolls and shit. If I learn something, somebody will send me a direct link and I'll click it. For me, I'm singularly focused. Let's get the information out and let's try to find out what it is.

Is it prosaic? Is it not prozic? We're just reporting what we know and getting it out in a big way. It was a really good experience. And I think it was right for this. this particular series of UFOs that we exposed to the world. So, yeah, thanks. You know, I know that as we do this, it can be abrasive to people.

Like, we're doing the best we can. That's the best we can do. And I'm really happy with the series, man. It was fun. So the jellyfish made his debut, long last. You know, we've had this for a while and have been trying to work on it and trying to go out about it in a way that both protects the, the original sources, multiple sources,

but also to engage with people who know what they're talking about who can tell us what the hell this thing was. We recorded an episode of this podcast a couple of months ago, and we weren't exactly sure when we'd be able to uncork it. There were some steps that had to happen before we could release it to the world. It's now out there, and everyone's debating the legitimacy, what it really shows. But I wanted to share with our audience what we recorded months ago, sort of as a step-by-step process in how this information was obtained and verified and what steps

we've taken since. Let's do it. Let's play it. Let's go. The following is an unreleased episode of Weaponized recorded in 2023, featuring both videos of the Jellyfish UAP and our detailed analysis at the time. This is Weaponized. Today we're going to talk about UFOs of all shapes and sizes.

You know, you've been to my house, Jeremy. You've seen my library. all these books about UFOs, thousands of them. Yeah. And you look at, you know, you look at the history of the UFO phenomenon, why are there so many different kinds, you know? If it's one extraterrestrial or interdimensional intelligence, why do they have so many models?

It's like they got the Fords, the Chryslers, the GMs, the AMCs, the AMCs, the Mons, you know, some are orbs, some are flying saucers, some are discs, some are cigar-shaped, some are red, white, blue, multicolored, different sizes and shapes. of all kinds. Some of them, we've seen over the years, people wonder, are they living beings? That movie, nope. You've seen that movie? Right, right, right, yeah. Why do they come in the variety pack? That's what Bob Lazar, that was his word for it. He said there were nine flying saucers at S4, and they're all different. The sport model with yellow mold, the top hat. Why so many different

kinds? Yeah, even Dr. Lakatsky on one of the episodes of Weaponized was commenting on that, that the reports that were coming about UAP or UFOs, obviously a lot of them are super. spheres. That's very common. You also have like the tick-tac shape very commonly reported. You have the triangle or you could say pyramid three-dimensionally by angle of observation, triangular UAP or UFOs. So you and I get a lot of these reports of very odd shapes that they don't make sense. They're not aerodynamic. Some are huge craft that look like Toblerone chocolates, you know. Yeah, and don't always know what to do with them. I mean, they come from the general public. I get five or ten a day. I don't know what to do with them. I'm an image analyst. I don't, I'm not an expert

in any of this stuff. You get the same thing, I'm sure, every day, right? Yeah, yeah. And some from military guys. For sure. So, you know, oftentimes anonymously, that kind of thing with with subtext. Like, here's an image. Here's something we captured. But here's the story behind it. You know, I don't want you to know me. I don't want to be known. Like, I get that. But they're really hard, usually to track down and get information on. But we, luckily, we have an ability, a pretty unique ability to be able to get in there and validate when things have been well documented if it's a military case. We share it with people who are in a position to know, who've seen this kind of stuff, who do this kind of analysis for a living, for our government. Right. And so very strangely,

there's this one shape that kind of has entered our realm of understanding. But I was reading that old book by Rupelt was his name, who's part of Project Edward Rupelt. Right, and in there he was describing the different shapes. And one of the shapes that he said it was pretty wild

that is commonly reported is a jellyfish shape. I had never really heard about that shape when it came to UAP or UFO until a couple cases came into us, which we haven't reported on. And it was pretty wild

to hear these descriptions. Let's give an example of the first time I heard about, you know there's some historic versions of jellyfish shape. You told me about one in Russia? Yeah, a lot of times people will have, report jellyfish UFOs, jellyfish shapes in the sky because of rocket launches. There was a case in Russia. It's a famous case, Petrozovatsk, gigantic jellyfish looking thing after a rocket launch. Officially, the Russian Ministry of Defense said, oh, yeah, that's because of this rocket. Un Officially, that incident, Petrozevatsk is why they started a nationwide 10-year-long secret UFO study

because it wasn't exactly what was reported the public. But, I mean, whenever there's a launch in Vandenberg, a SpaceX goes up, people in Nevada see that in the sky, and it looks like a jellyfish in the interim after a rocket launch. So I'm used to the idea, like my mind is used to the idea. You say a UFO, I'm thinking, okay, it's a ball of light. It's a disc like Bob Lazard described. But even he said there were some weird models at Site 4.

One looked like you said a jelly mold. Is that what you said? Yeah, the Jello mold. Jellow mold. Yeah. So that, this idea, I had to change my opinion. It was very uncomfortable when people would report things to me like military people, that something looked bizarre.

It was almost like they were embarrassed to say what it looked like. But look, I grabbed this. This is a 1977 comic called UFO and Outer Space. Are they alive? And I see if the audience can see. this on the front camera. This is like, here I'll put it like that. This is like a whole bunch of jellyfish style UFOs, you know, invading a military base. And this was from 1977. So this has been in the zeitgeist for a while. One of the weirdest things that I've heard, and we talked about this

interview, was from a, from a secure, I'll say, a nuclear facility. I mean, I look. Pantex. Okay, Pantex. So at X, where they work on nuclear weapons. Okay, tell me about it. Pantex is where they take them apart and put them together. They got a lot of plutonium. It's a highly secure, classified facility.

Security is very tight there. It's not a place that you would expect to get UFO reports or UFO incursions. But we've been hearing about this for a while, a very distinct description of what floated through Pantex, take it away. No one goes to Hank's for his spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately, though, the shop's been quiet. So Hank decides to bring back the $1 slice.

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And what was described to us was an object. And it was, by the way, it was filmed, both on night vision and thermal. It's not something we have, nor ethically would it be something we'd able ever, you know, to put out into the world, you know, it would be a, you know, it would be a, you know, a great day. One day we have transparency on this stuff, but what traversed down this channel between two different areas where storage locations, a lot of plutonium storage and that kind of thing, was best described as a domed structure, about eight to ten feet in, you know, in width, you know, a little taller at the top like a dome with what was described directly to us as like tentacles or dendrites. I don't even know what that is.

like tentacles that came down. I mean, it sounds wild. And the thing goes through this area with controlled flight. It goes through it. It ends at the end of that kind of channel goes up and shoots off at a 45 degree direction. So this is what's described to us. And apparently somewhere there's footage of this kind of thing. First time I ever heard of it.

Yeah. We were told that and thinking, wow, that would be great footage to have. And then something came our way. It, we've been looking forward to this day for a long time where we could share this with the public, but we had to go through some procedures before it was safe to do it. This is the creepiest UFO video I've ever seen. Yeah, it is an unidentified. We don't know what it is, but the reaction on base is what we're going to talk about. But I think, let's just look at this.

We call it the jellyfish UFO because I don't have a better terminology for it, but it is very similar in shape to kind of what was. reported to us that happened at a nuclear facility. So here we are. I'll say it's at 2018. We can say it's at a military installation in the Middle East. Should I identify a little bit more? Let's show the video. Okay.

For those who are listening to the audio podcast, you really need to see this video. Oh, you've got to go watch. Yeah, you got to go watch this video. We're just going to play it without any commentary. And then we'll come back and talk about it. Let's just play it. Super bizarre. Let's play it.

The first jellyfish UAP video was recorded on October 2017 at a U.S. Joint Operations Base in Iraq. The video is available to see on the YouTube version of this episode. We highly recommend viewing this episode visually. This was a head scratcher for me, right? And the reason why I think it's valuable enough to show is because this object was identified as, It was classified as UAP, but the events that occurred, from how we understand it, the events that

occurred is that immediately, so this is a base where there's multiple countries involved. The feeds were shut off to the other countries. So it was just U.S. personnel. So what's recording this is the question? Okay. What is the system that is recording this object? Because you had indicated to me, they had trouble tracking it, right? Yeah.

trouble walking onto it. Right. So that was the issue. So first of all, the system. So let's just say it this way. There is, with these bases, you need to protect the perimeter of these bases. So there is an optical system, an optical platform that's dedicated. This platform can go, you know, it can lock an Al-Qaeda tire at 27 miles and call in a strike on that vehicle. It has precision locking. As you can see, it's high-quality thermal imagery. It's black and white because because it's showing heat. So this system is, let's say, above the base,

and it is tasked with targeting and locking potential threats. The problem is, operators couldn't get a lock on this object. They don't know if it was active jamming, if it was not, you know, but it should be able, no problem to target.

It's the first time people haven't been able to use these system to actually lock. I know when we first talked about this thing, when we first were watching it a couple of years, ago, it was clear we thought it might be a balloon. It's moving kind of like a balloon. But a balloon that you can't lock on, that the best system in our military is unable to get a lock on it. That's quite a balloon. Yeah. So that was initially when I was looking at it, I was thinking, okay, is it floating trash? Is it some sort of, you know, clump of balloons? And they take it very

seriously because this is a base incursion. This is something of unknown origin that's coming through the base. The thing is, if you look at it, it's a very bizarre thing. I'll tell you, what people that really got, this footage that we don't have, there's really close up of it. What was described to me was that these things you see hanging down, that they were geometric, as if, like, it was specifically said to me, like an armor or like a fish scales. So when geometric pieces, and you notice also it's stiff, right? So there's not a lot of wind from what I understand at the base at the time. It's literally moving under intelligent control. The question or the, The thing, the fear was that it's some sort of intelligence reconnaissance platform.

You know how we had the Chinese balloon and it was collecting intelligence. So it's at a very secure location. And the worry is either does it have a payload and it's going to blow some shit up or is it collecting intelligence? Why is it changing colors? Now, this is that nighttime, a nighttime, a thermal system that's recording it. So it goes from white to dark. It's changing temperatures. We don't know what is causing this thing to go,

hot, cold, hot, cold. So somebody tracked this all the way through that base. It goes all the way through this base. Yeah, the footage goes all the way through the base. In fact, what we got the information we got with it is that they were tasked with, or whoever was operating this was tasked to go like 35 minutes. They kept following it and just slewing as they went.

So that was fascinating to begin with. I mean, what is this? It's weird. It's creepy. It looks like it could be a living thing, Like a living being, doesn't it? It could be a jellyfish. A new species.

You saw it first on weaponized. I don't know, but the military classified as UAP, but let me tell you a little bit more about what went down at the base. I mean, we have been able to really find out a lot more about what went down that day. Here's what we heard and what we know to be true at this point, which is that the moment this thing is identified, it was like all hands on deck, shut off feeds to other countries. two other countries at the base at the time.

So normally a feed would go to a couple of our allies who were also at this base. Right. And they cut that off. They cut that off. So that was the first thing that was dramatically different than anything before, you know, at this base. Next thing was that people that are in this command center, you know, they're seeing this feed and they're told to go out and look with night vision. And how I understand it is they could not see it with the NVGs, night.

vision goggles, they could not see it. So it has a thermal signature, but from the reports, it doesn't have like an infrared signature, like a light signature, which is weird. You think something thermally is going hot and cold. You're going to have some light associated with it, but you can see nobody's aware of this on the ground. So that's a head scratcher. Yeah, it's floating above people. Nobody's looking up and pointing at it. They don't see it. No. And at the dogs don't see it either. And things were really weird on the base of that time. What happened was, for people there was high alert

people go in and they I'll just say they take the footage they take the footage they don't do the normal process with the footage from how I understand it they take it so there's multiple places

at this base where people are able to watch this on a screen they know it's happening one central place that this footage link goes up to with a bunch of people in there and they cut that off to make sure other people didn't see it other nations

outside and then someone goes to the sort of the skiff Is it a skiff or do we know? Yeah, this would be filmed in a secure look. So somebody goes to that skip and says, we're grabbing it. They grabbed the original. That's the word on the wash. There's no, there's no checkout of this stuff.

There's just go, they go, they take it. I think everybody had to sign NDAs saying, I'm not going to talk about this, which is also weird. If it's just like trash in a balloon or something normal. So it was, it was identified. It was classified as a UAP. Now, the other weird thing,

is what happens next. Well, even before that, what happens is everybody gets asked about it. So everybody gets, I don't know, debrief, they go and they have to say, did you see anything? I mean, it was like this big thing that happened. It wasn't just like an isolated thing. They questioned a bunch of people. What did you see?

Describe what you saw. No, you didn't see it. That's right. You're not allowed to talk about it. I do believe people had to sign NDAs, right? So if that was it, I'd be like, Cool video, eerie, weird. What do you do?

We don't know. But here's where it gets weird. And also, I got to say, this is the curse of the UFO field. Like, we don't have what I'm about to describe, right? I imagine, I mean, I know that footage exists somewhere where they go close up on it. Here's what it did next. It travels throughout the base. And people are told, you know, keep tracking it, following it.

it, you know, it's an object of interest. It goes out over a large body of water. And from how I understand it, how it was reported to us, is that it's trucking along this body of water and it stops on a dime, just stops abrupt. And it descends into the water. And I was asking, okay, so these things hanging down, does it like fall and float down into it, like stiff? It goes down into that water. So people are tasked with like observing the area. What's going to go on now? Because they can tell its controlled flight. This is not just something floating with the wind. Right. After it goes on the water, they continue watching. Right. It's not like bobbing and weaving and floating with the wind. This thing was directly going through this highly sensitive area. It goes out over this body of water.

It descends down into that water. Everybody's watching this area for about 15 minutes. They're just making sure, like what happened, is there anything going on? This thing comes back out from the water slowly. And again, stiff, and it's not changing thermal signature. And then from how it's described, boom, shoots off at 45 degrees. Very much like what happened at Pantex, where it kind of does this reconnaissance job and then shoots off. But, I mean, again, I don't know who's documenting this.

And, like, obviously, they didn't document the whole thing, you know, with how we're seeing it. So this is the same object. Let's play the second video. The second jellyfish UAP video was recorded on October 2017 at a U.S. Joint Operations Base in Iraq. The video is available to watch on the YouTube version of this episode. We recommend viewing this episode visually. So weird, right?

Very strange. I mean, it's creepy. It's a creepy video. I remember the first couple of times we watched it, it stays with you and it stays in your head. I guess the question is, what was done with this information? We're in the age of transparency.

UFO transparency. Did it go higher-ups? Did it go to Arrow? Did it go to Congress? Who saw it? Well, it was buried by an agency, and I can say that much. An intelligence agency?

Yeah, it was buried by an agency. And we have actually shown this to some government officials so that they could go try to get more information on this, people that would have ability and access, because the full footage of this thing, now it is traversing over the water,

goes into the water, comes up, shoots off. I mean, that is powerful footage. Do you want to even admit kind of some of what we've been told or who we showed to? Well, we showed it to people who investigated UAP, UFO videos, and cases for a living. They did it for our government. For our government.

They were good at it. Yeah. And we showed it to them a while back, and they don't know what the hell this is. They do not know. They've never seen anything quite like it. Right. So, yeah, so the object, like obviously I wish, you know, we, we, you know, we're kind of get lucky sometimes, but with the UFO curse, it's that we don't have, what I would like to see is

I would like to see that abrupt stop. There's no reason for me to question the information. We have verified from numerous people, this event happened exactly like we're describing, but that proof, that evidence is with an intelligence agency of this object stopping, going into the water for a duration of period, coming back out and shooting off. Again, like, the Pantex footage, that is, that is somewhere in the world. I mean, that, that, that footage exists. The full footage of this also exists. Now, I love this case. It's very weird. Jellyfish UFOs, what's next, man? I mean, that's pretty wild. But like, whatever this is, I would like to, I would like to know people's opinions. I would like, you know, more experts than

just the ones that we know to say, what is, you know, what is it they're seeing? But I'll tell you, The base took this so seriously. It was handled differently than any other incursion or anything that they've had. And people do send bombs over fences. But the fact this thing was on a controlled flight along through the sensitive area slowly and then goes out over the water, starts trucking.

The question is, what was it doing? Was it reconnaissance or... Some kind of surveillance operation, it seems like, getting information. You know, I don't know. You try to stay. off social media, so you may not have seen this, but we've been admonished in recent times. We should not be releasing UAP, UFO imagery of any kind.

Footage, photos, not until the government and or some other entity has done a full investigation. You and I are irresponsible for sharing these kind of images with the public. One guy, Rich Hopman from SCU, who said that he equates us with Jaime Muson, the guy with the alien mummies, which broke my heart because now we've got our own alien mummies, we're going to take them to SCU. What are we going to do with them now? But, you know, in Rich's estimation, we need to share this with the government and not put this stuff out to the public. We are not making a claim that this is alien craft. The same with the U.S. as Omaha, the sphere, the pyramids. We don't know what those things are. We just know that they were investigated by our government, and our government classified them

as UAP. Yeah. We think that this is going to be classified as UAP as well, but the fact is that that footage whoever has it has sat on it and hasn't shared it. But we know it's classified as UAP. That's the thing that's part of why we're bringing it out is that so even the mechanisms within our government to study this doesn't have this. And that's a problem.

The core and the raw footage exists. I mean, we can tell people exactly who would be holding on to this. But I think the idea is, look, it's a really weird looking. But it is, it was classified UAP and the way that it was handled was so severe. I think that that's what's important here is that we are trying, I didn't know people were so pissed

that they're not associated with. In general, yeah, they're always pissed at them. We have to put stuff out that we know to be accurate. This is an example of UAP, as weird as it looks, as weird as it looks. Look, I don't know what arrow is putting out. They're putting out known cases half the time.

This is an unknown, and this was handled with high sensitivity. This is for whether you like it or not. This is UAP. This is an unidentified in a sensitive area, an incursion of a base. No matter how weird it looks, we have to report that news. It was designated UIP. Well, I was surprised by Rich Hoffman's remarks because I've interviewed him four or five times.

And to find that he finds us so distasteful for releasing images that we've done, I guess he had to hold his nose when he did these interviews with us when we were promoting SCU, SCU's conference, SCU's papers on radio, television, podcasts, things of that. or apparently he had to suck it up even to be in the same room with us because we're so disreputable. But hopefully he'll give us some input about this UFO if it's not too distasteful for him to analyze it. Oh, you know, look, man, I don't, I don't, the slings and arrows, like they come at when you're trying to report on this stuff, if we obtain footage and we think it has value, we know it was classified UAP by our military. it is our duty as journalists to put that out and show people no matter what it is.

It's time for us to do that. We also like to get input from our listeners, from people who watch us or listen to us on the podcast. A lot of folks out there who are a lot more expertise than we do in analyzing these kinds of images and will give us feedback on it. And that's what we're hoping happens with this one. There's got to be other people in our audience who have seen this, either this video or something like it. maybe the Pantax video, and maybe somebody will come forward and share more information with it. Yeah, and by the way, there's also a whole incursion situation that happened over a nuclear facility in France that I personally know.

I remember. We've talked about it. Footage of, yeah. And I do hope that that can get out to the public so we can get more information. But look, man, it's just a really weird shaped one. And if I didn't have that background of that exactly being described to us with that Pantex case and other, nuclear facilities, like this is a shape that occurs throughout history. If that's what they're talking about, it is really weird looking.

I don't know what that is. If people go and Google UFO jellyfish, they'll find other cases. Most of them are rocket launches that look like a jellyfish in the sky, the exhaust, but there are at least a few other UFO jellyfish cases in the animals of history that are worth taking a look at. Yeah, in our past episode, we talked about the Syria UAP, and it was like a domed thing. That looked more structural. You know, it did seem to have something coming down the bottom.

But I call that more like a domed UAP. This one, for lack of a better term, because this is the way it's described to us, is jellyfish in shape. It's weird. It's very weird. So anybody out there, you got some ideas about what this thing might be, or if you've got other images of similar kinds of incidents, send it our way. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Well, hopefully we'll learn more. Okay, so that is the episode we recorded a while back.

Now the world has seen jellyfish and has debated it. And of course, so much of the reaction is absolutely predictable. Same people saying the same stuff. It's a smudge on the lens, which is preposterous. I mean, you know, it's preposterous on so many levels. It's bird poop, equally preposterous. It's balloons. Now, we consider balloons, right?

when we first saw that. Maybe it's balloons. Why isn't it balloons? What do you think? Yeah. So look, we, so just to be clear, we don't know what this is. Neither does our government. They labeled it UAP unknown. So we don't know. They don't know. We're looking for answers. Everybody's looking for answers. Every source we have, every person that we know that was there that's seen the footage. Everybody's looking for answers. So that's what we're really doing here. I do want to make a correction. and I want to explain the correction. I'm alone. I don't have an army of people.

I'm typing shit out. I'm looking at my notes over the last three and a half years. We have witnesses that have seen it for many, many, many, many years because this thing has been kind of been the ghost story, the spaghetti monster at the base. So as I'm cumulatively going through everything, because it's not one source. It's not one time we were sent this video, you and me, or these videos. So what's happened is, I think I said it was 2018 on the YouTube release, like raw. What I meant is that's raw to us.

Like that's how we received the footage, exactly like you're seeing on the screen, except for the title. But I said 2018 because some people saw it in 2018. Some people saw it in 2019, 2021, 2021, 2022. But I think it was actually filmed in 2017. It was October, probably between the dates of the 17th and the 20th. not sure. So I don't want to report for sure I know something. So that is my my flaw in that with all the sources we have cumulatively without editors and sleep deprived, yeah, I put an eight instead of a seven. Sorry. Yeah. So, you know, that's correcting it is what journalists are supposed to do. You make a mistake on it. You correct it. And we've done that. So I don't think it's that big of a deal. We now know for sure because of a reaction to the TMZ program and, and, uh, hopefully some of the interviews that you've done on other media,

that there were other witnesses. We knew that before. We had talked to a lot of witnesses, but now some of them have come forward to buttress the legitimacy of the case. We know also about the platform. So we didn't say in that recording what the platform was, but it's an aerostat, right? Yeah, that's right.

So now we can be really clear about it. So let's answer that, but let me go back to what you said, why isn't it balloons? I don't know what it is, but now that the video is out without endangering, because we don't know who we can show this to initially. That's the problem. We can't just throw it out to everybody,

and then all of a sudden, you know, you're revealing sources. So what we do know and what we knew before was it's not a smudge. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why it's not a smudge, but I love it. They say it's, first they say it's balloons, then they say it's birds, and then they say it's bird shit, you know,

It's so funny to me, the mental gymnastics at these, you know, straight up deep bunkers, you know, what they try to do. But so we, let's talk about that. So we know it's not a smudge on the lens because the infrared would look right through it when it's looking at a distance because of the field of view. Now, I'm not an expert in this, but not only was that obvious to me, so it's disingenuous for people to say that, but it was obvious to me, but also there's a guy online and he did this kind of time lapse that you sent me, George, it was on. It was On Twitter, I think. Again, I don't click on Twitter except when you guys send me links.

And you can see it clearly rotating as a three-dimensional object. So that was cool. So that kind of immediately debunked the debunkers on their initial things. Now, you know, why isn't it balloons? This is important. Like, I would be very surprised if it was balloons because these operators are highly trained. I've actually seen myself. the training slides and the information did these guys go through to operate the aerostat,

which is the question you had of the platform. So you're at this base in Iraq. It's a base within a base. And now it's publicly said. So I'm going to say it, you know, is the Havanaia Lake. It was right by the base is right by that lake. What we know is that they are trained like literally. Here is a bunch of balloons.

here's what it looks like through the MX20 camera off of the aerostat right and this is the persistent threat detection program i think is the name of the aerostat that's made by lockied martin and and there's a couple i believe there's a couple cameras and seven i think seven sensors sensor systems on this unit and and so they're trained to to know before they ever start operating the machinery. This is what balloons are like. This is what they look like. This is how you can get confused by balloons. This is what a plastic bag in the wind or debris looks like. I have seen the briefing materials. I have talked to numerous people that operate this system and all of them, all of them say we are trained on that. This is not that. So from my understanding and a lot more

information. Yeah, that's pretty much why we know that this was designated UAPs because they excluded those very prosaic and simple answers to those questions of what it's not. I'm not sure how much we can share. I'll just proceed and you can tell me if it's going too far. We do know some other details that we had not made public. Some of them you've sort of alluded to in various media interviews, but we know that there was a team of other personnel. After this thing a scene on this aerostat, they can't lock onto it. It's not like a normal trash or balloon. They're having trouble. It looks like it might have been an active jamming program, which is a pretty significant difference between an unknown and a plastic bag or a balloon.

Secondly, the thermal imaging. We'll get into talking about the thermal imaging. The signature seems to change a little bit. Thirdly, not only could they not lock onto this thing, but they sent out this team. I forget what the name of the team is, but there's like 10 personnel with night vision goggles looking up in the sky. They're told exactly where this thing is flying flighting over the base, but they can't see it. Night vision does not work. Balloon?

Let's go into the first thing you said. So the active jamming, let me explain that to people. We don't know for sure. I am reporting to you and you, George, are reporting what it is that we have been told and what we've been able to verify. So I know for sure 100%, and you and I have evidence of this, that the platform was fully detailed the next day to try to figure out why it couldn't lock on the target. The target, everybody's trying to figure out the distance to it.

This aerostat, this weapons targeting platform can target and lock an al-Qaeda tire on a vehicle. at more than 23 miles away, and they can lock it, track it, and go. Never in history of this base and this platform, we are told, have it ever failed, ever. And we're talking balloons. We're talking drones with like payloads, you know, like when we released the Dome, UAP over Syria, the whole thing we learned and told the public was sent come and everybody was like, dude, if anything's in proximity to ground troops or it looks like it can carry a payload, we shoot it down.

So this happens all the time. People sending bombs and shit over. And even at this base, they've had issues like this. This was the first time that this weapons system targeting platform could not obtain a lock. So this already with the laser range finders and being able to do this, it was scrambled. It was scrambled. And so they said, that is jamming. And they also said, we believe that is.

active jamming, meaning the object itself, the jellyfish UAP, was causing this. Now, they don't know for sure. That's why they did the next day, the full breakdown of the system, making sure it worked, and everything checked out, it worked. So the operators, and there's one to two at any given time, usually two on this object, and I believe there's two feeds, by the way. Maybe that's why you see the difference of the green crosshairs and the yellow crosshairs on the second video.

but they were unable to track it. They were unable, so they had to optically, manually slew, kind of exactly like, who I just talked with today, Commander Chad Underwood, he said he had to manually slew, manually follow it because it was actively jamming his weapons tracking platform, his weapons designation platform. So it's the same thing here.

We believe that it was active jamming because that's what's being told to. us and the systems were checked. Now, the thermal imaging and the night vision you mentioned. Thermal imaging. I am not an expert on thermal imaging. That's why I've been really, like, gentle with this. I don't know, and I know for sure.

We can't tell. Does the object change hotter and colder? There are absolutely times in which the camera itself is looking at heat differential. Right? So the difference between heats. So you can get like a hotter spot behind and something can look like it's changing. It doesn't exclude that the thing itself is changing hot to cold. We don't know.

I'm not an expert at that. But it is very curious and very bizarre. And now that it is out publicly, George, maybe a bunch of experts can tell us is the object changing from hot to cold. But we don't know. We never claim to now. It just we know that it is showing a temperature, different. So it's very interesting. We're also told by some people directly that they think that the object itself is changing

temperature. That's what they think. They believe. And they are experts at this stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. And, you know, but I'm just like, I don't know personally. But yeah, we are told that for sure. And more and more.

And let's get into that a little bit more because there's a lot of videos of this thing, you know, in classified systems that have been, I think, illegally kept by the the bases because it was all confiscated. We'll talk about that. But the last thing you said, and I want to address it, is the night vision. So you and I have very direct information of like exactly what happened and what went down on that night or the next morning on that base. And one thing you mentioned, George, is you were, you kind of revealed that, you know, there were people with night vision. Yeah, there was at least 10 people that were tasked from the combat information center maybe, I think, was the term, to, they know exactly where it is.

Because look, we didn't provide the HUD display, George. So the HUD display is this display that shows the exact trajectory, the speed, all this stuff. It got a little scrambled because it couldn't track it. But we know this thing was absolutely within close proximity viewing, viewing from where people were like, you can see in the video, people are like walking. And they're like literally facing this thing. people were tasked at least 10 people were tasked by the combat information center to go out

with their NVGs their night vision goggles which is an infrared right with amplification of light to look at it they said to us it was invisible invisible meaning they knew where it was they bring up this other technology not thermal and you can't see it that if that is true that is mind-boggling. Is that what you were talking about? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, this case stands out in so many ways. They had never really seen anything that looked quite like this. It's really weird. I mean, as we said in that original recording, it is the creepiest UFO video I've ever seen. I mean, I look forward to seeing it, but that thing is weird. There's a lot of speculation, hey, was that a pilot? Was that an alien wearing a jet pack? You know, what the

heck was it? Was it a robot, a flying robot at some sort? We don't know. But it really was creepy. They haven't seen it before, how it was handled. You know, the sensors being unable to pick it up, the night vision being unable to see it. And then how the whole case and the recordings were handled stands out. It's unique. It's unidentified. Well, let's paint that picture.

Let's see if I can hit kind of all the points on that. What did happen the next day? What is unique about this? And now I can openly talk about it because, you know, so much is out now. But so here's what really struck me, other than the fact that it was already on our radar because of the footage from Pantex where an object that looks almost identical to this moves between nuclear silos and then shoots off instantaneous at a 45 degree angle. We'll get more into that. But what happened at this base in Iraq? What happened that night and the next day?

Well, here's what was different. when anybody works in those kind of facilities, look, this is a secret facility within a facility. And I can't go much farther than that. But it was run by intelligence agencies, a part of the Navy, DOD, multiple countries. Here's what happened. The object comes on. Now, remember, they get drones with payloads to blow shit up, DJI drones all the time. When this came up, the live feeds were cut to the other countries in the,

the joint operation base. They were cut. That is already unusual. Next thing that happens, after the technicians were told to follow it, track it, tried to keep recording, you know, when it went out over the water, went into the water, they were told to look at the area and that's when they got the footage of it coming out of the water. Here's what happened. I don't know, I'm going to use the wrong word, but like the base commander, like, you know, one of the top dogs, not only rolls up. but rolls up with two armed Marines that were coming to confiscate the footage. And they confiscated the footage.

They did not sign it out. This has never happened before. This has never happened before. They're like, no, we're not signing it out. This never happened. You may never talk about it. The next day, everybody involved, and even if they weren't involved, they were questioned, they had to sign specific NDAs for that event.

Now remember, they already signed NDAs just to be there. These are our top dog intelligence officers. So they cut off the feeds. They can't see it on night vision. They roll up with armed guards. They confiscate the footage, the original footage. They confiscate it. And then they have everybody sign NDAs for this singular event.

Now, that has never happened for an incursion of just a payload and a drone. So already we're like, okay, this is crazy. This is totally different than anything that's happened before. How that footage survive, you and I have been trying to figure that out. How did that footage survive? Check this out. It's a long set of footage. That's what people have to understand.

It was over 20 minutes. It was filmed prior to it going into the water. Then it was 17 minutes it was in the water. And then it comes out, pauses, and then, shoots off at an extraordinary rate of speed. I don't think it was an instantaneous movement, but it was so fast that when you see the footage, it's like the person's trying to, you know,

kind of grab it because you're manually trying to get this, right? You can't lock on it. So all of this said, how this footage survived is incredible to me. I mean, people knew it was important. They knew it was unusual. People that deal with this every day, they were trained to understand.

So look, a lot of people inside of this base were told, don't ever talk about it. They signed NDAs. Somebody, if not somebody's, recorded in the command information center, this footage, or maybe in the room with the aerostat, somehow this footage that was confiscated survived to the point where a lot of people ended up seeing it, and it became the legend of the base.

Spaghetti Monster. Yes. I heard that a bunch. I didn't want to say it because I wanted a few things to be held back to see if somebody actually knew about it because already we have intelligence agency assets, people coming at us, pretending that they have been there and seen it just to try to get information. So keeping words like that for you and me are really good because then we'll know, oh, they were probably there, you know?

Well, among the things we got beat up about this week, A, it's a smudge. B, it's balloons, C, it's bird poop. D, it's two different objects 12 miles apart, somebody said. It's just, you know, we got pummeled on pretty much every level you can imagine. But in addition to that, we don't show video of the object stopping over the lake, going into the water, and shooting out. Now, how could we possibly explain that? Would we like to show that information?

Where is it? Where is it? would love to share that so so here's the deal um yeah this is going to be hard i think for for for people to to really understand the position that we're in um obviously it's a filming of a screen so so people share this remember this new kid that came out you know he's like i never thought i would ever see this in public realm nobody believed me so a parent there are broken up multiple files that were somehow collected before it was all confiscated. And I think it's three or more files where this stuff is inside of a classified server

on a classified laptop and a classified base within a classified base. I mean, it's like crazy to me. So I would assume that whoever recorded this was doing so at their own peril in that it's legal to do that. Like highly. So I would assume that an individual or individuals that kind of captured this were kind of like in a rush to get whatever they could. Because remember, a lot of people could be at base and they could be shown the first

video, but they can't read the reports and they can't see the additional videos. And we know a lot of people, George, have seen just the first video, just much, much higher quality, obviously than what we're putting out, which is a screen on a screen. So I would, to answer your question, why don't we have that footage and why don't we put it out to the public? The answer to that question is, it's a miracle, a miracle that people get to see this amount of the footage, two videos of the same object over the same base and incursion over a conflict zone first time in history. We've heard about it, you know, with those shutdowns and nukes and stuff. First time we ever get to see it. It's a miracle we even got this much.

But what we can do, George, you and I can identify very specifically where that footage was taken, what that footage is of, and we can go sit down in a skiff, and we can inform the Senate Intelligence Committee or anybody that wants to know, the new head of arrow, exactly how to find this footage with witnesses. And I think you and I should do that. Well, yeah, I mean, people get mad at us because we don't show. the glory shot. And the question is, who has it? Where is it?

Why hasn't the public seen it? This is supposedly the age of transparency from our Pentagon and the U.S. government. Where is that video? We know it exists. We know people who've seen it. So where is it? Secondly, where's the report?

There is a very detailed report that we've been told about by multiple persons that lists the whole history of this incident and why it stands out, why it's a genuine UAP. Where's that report? Did Arrow get it? Can Congress get it? No, nobody's got it. Don't be bad at us because the government's hiding this stuff.

We're telling you it exists. Go find it. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, look, man, we're doing the best we have with the best we got. Like, we're taking personal risk and also trying to protect sources and everything. And also national security. We're trying to protect national security by not, you know, just exposing everything. We're doing our best with the best we have.

But George, we will do this. We will make sure that that trail is hunted down and we'll do it in the appropriate way without harming national security. And we will bring witnesses in. We will help bring witnesses in to testify behind scenes about this, if not publicly. Look, can we talk about real quick

the fact that there's at least three videos of this and what they show? Because we kind of briefly showed a video on the TMZ special. and it was kind of confusing for people about it being over the water, not over the water, what's going on. Can I explain that? Yeah, sure.

Okay. So we gave you kind of what came to us in kind of, you know, a raw form. Like that's how it came to us. There are three parts to this video that apparently were somehow maintained, you know, before it was taken off or somehow, because people can film the screens like as it's happening, I think. So the second video, it didn't show much. It wasn't as detailed.

So I just didn't think it was that important. But I believe that video, because it has different color crosshairs, like I think it's like yellow instead of green. I believe that each operator gets to designate the color of the crosshairs and the information that they want. And I know, I believe there are two cameras that are going on. So I believe what we are seeing, I am told, is the same object. I think it's just after it was close in the base. I think it was first noticed, unfortunately, when it was close in the base. I think the second video is right after when it's moving kind of farther away.

There's a third video where it's seen over the water and then it does these maneuvers. It does this, I mean, that's the money shot. Like, I wish we had it. That's the curse of the UFO world. Like, I wish we had it. But beggars can't be choosers. Like, we got what we got. But we know where it is.

We know who to tell. And people have seen it. And we have talked with them. And they've gone on record with us, telling us what they saw. So that's what I know about the videos, is that it was broken up into parts and it's been passed around. But that CD with everything, we know where that is. You know, so many funny descriptions of what this is. You know, it's a smudge.

It's balloons. It's two-op. separated by 12 miles, it's bird poop, hilarious reaches by a lot of people. I think a witch on a broom maybe, Elliot and E.T. riding their bicycle. You know, I wouldn't be surprised by anything that comes out. We'd love to be able to release that other video. We're trying to tell you, it exists. Don't be mad at us because the Pentagon won't make it public or acknowledge it.

Go get it. You know, we don't have a magic formula. There's no secret golden ticket that we have. have to go get this stuff, you want to sit at home and gripe on Twitter, gosh, I've been sitting here for three hours. I don't have any definitive UFO evidence of aliens landing. Why have I had it yet? Well, go get some. Go get it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, we're doing the best we can and, you know, and also with national security in mind, not putting out stuff that would harm national security. So look, I think we can get a few answers here because I think this is, it's kind of exciting to me.

Again, I might mess up the acronyms. Maybe it's the Command Operations Center or the Command Information Center. I don't remember what they call it. But they had big screens during this event. Those videos were being pumped in. And we can ask who we're about to talk with. I think they called it the Command Operations Center or the Command Information Center don't know. But it was on big screens.

So all of a sudden, people could film it there and see. But remember, this was the person. persistent threat detection system, the aerostat that it was all filmed on. But I think without further ado, something happened this week, George, and it was interesting, kind of like you and I hope, which is that more people would come forward. And even if it's limited, even if it's like secondhand, that they would tell what they know their specific little section. And super interesting is that there's a gentleman that did come forward. And actually, I missed. a bunch of messages from this person because I don't see my social media, Michael Sinkowski,

and he is a secondhand witness to that. He was at the base. It's a rotation that came in and allowed, you know, kind of took over after the rotation before. And he actually saw a part of the footage. He saw one of the videos from what I understand. And unfortunately, I think he was very misquoted, which to you and me, George, with New York Post. we know that not only do they twist things and look, you know, for debunking angles, but they actually like lie. They end up misquoting people intentionally. But I can only imagine what it's like.

You see this thing for the first time. You don't expect it to be out in the world. You see it. You're like, that's what I've been talking about. And then you get descended upon by people with agendas other than just reporting the news. And I think that that's what happened to Michael Sinkoski, who is from what I know, from my brief conversations with him, he's a stand-up dude. Look, he's just a dude that was there. But what he can do is he can validate that this is military film footage at that base,

that it was an actual event, that it's an unknown, and that he was witnessed to some of the footage, or at least a portion of the footage. So unless you have something to say, George, without further ado, let's bring in this dude, who I'm excited to talk with, Michael Sinkowski. Own it all. Pay off your home. Travel for life. Drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the world premiere of the Monopoly Big Board Buckslot Slot Machine by Aristocrat Gaming, Yamava Resort and Casino at San Manuel is giving one person

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We talked about. You never thought this footage would come out. We talked before. Got a few questions for you. This is George Knapp, co-host of Weaponized, investigative reporter. Hello. Hello.

Thanks for having me out. Mike, I'd like to start with this. This is your baptism of fire, your first entry into UFO world. What's it been like and what's your first overall impressions? It's been a little overwhelming. I didn't really expect any of this. I never expected to see this footage ever again, ever since after leaving Iraq.

I thought that was the last time I was going to see those videos. I've told a few people about what I'd seen over there since I've been back, but I never had the video footage to back it up. So when a few of my buddies sent me the video that's been circling around, I'm like, that's it. That's what I remember seeing. and I jumped into the comment section I think of one of the videos

because I think there were a few claims that I don't remember seeing on the original videos so I was just trying to clarify all of that and then all of a sudden I started getting a bunch of attention and people wanted to ask me all these questions and I don't know,

three or four days later, here I am. It's been kind of exciting and I'm just trying to I've been trying to stay away from it because I want to approach this as objectively as possible. I'm not here to confirm anyone's biases or anything like that. I just want to share what I saw. Well, that's good. I mean,

I know that the, I think the first interview that most people saw was conducted by the New York Post. And we saw that and we were kind of surprised by the angle that was taken. Can you walk us through that what you said and then what versus what was reported? So the biggest thing I think that was kind of maybe twisted from my mouth is I really wanted to take the approach of, I'm kind of 50-50 between, you know, this, there could be a logical explanation behind what this thing could be. But I am very open to the idea of it being something a little more exciting. But I was kind of forced to take a position and I didn't want to.

And that was kind of illustrated. And I'm trying to, you know, make it known that I don't have the authority or the information to tell anybody that, you know, what this thing really is. all I know is I've seen a longer form video of this thing. And we had our theories, but there was never enough information to fully explain it. What do you mean you were forced to take a position? You told me that first thing, and we recorded that conversation. I asked you, can I record? And you said that you were being kind of forced into position, you know, of like a debunk kind of thing. I think it was the New York Post. You said, what was the misquote? What was the kind of pressure?

you are put on her to take a position? I think specifically, yeah, it was that New York Post. He had asked me, he was like, do you think it's alien or do you think it's more prosaic? And I, with the information that I have and being, with my background being an intelligence analyst, right? I, with all that information that I have, I went with, I'm leaning more towards it's a more prosaic phenomenon. It could be probably logically explained.

but that is not my official position. I am still open to the, you know, if any new information can come out, if anybody else can come forward that has maybe a bigger piece of the puzzle that I have and can, you know, maybe shift my position maybe more the other way. I'm totally open to that. I just don't want to take a whole mind's hands.

You know, I want to talk with you about just the facts, what it is you saw, what it is you know. But I guess my question is, you kind of conveyed to me, were you pressured by the New York Post to like be, were they trying to get you just to debunk it right out the gate? I think they wanted me to. I didn't feel pressured during the interview. It was more of just kind of a more of a friendly question. Like, oh, what do you think? And I was like, well, I kind of think this.

But afterwards, when it was written about and shared to an audience, it made it. sound more so that that is my position. And that's not necessarily true. Welcome to the world of UFOs. You have bad actors, disingenuous brokers of information. You have people that their job, their self-proclaimed job, you know, what they're trying to do is twist people's words like yours and make it fit into their mold. And I'm sorry you had that experience.

But now that we've talked, let's just go through. the facts. You know, I think you did a check and you found out that there's more footage from that event that you were unable to see. Is that factually correct? So I did check and it was confirmed to me that there are multiple recordings of various lengths. I, when I initially remembered the, seeing the footage, it was six years ago. So I recalled about 17 minutes worth of footage that we had. and I was thinking that's just one video but talking to the source that was out there with me on the team

they had mentioned that there was multiple recordings and that made me remember like oh yeah that's right I remember having I think is either two or three different recordings of this thing is three three okay I was leaning more towards three so it was one yeah no well it was it was one

recording but by the way there there may have been multiple cameras on that aerostat. I'm not exactly sure, but I know for sure that the length of the, I know for sure that the length of the video was about like 30 minutes before it went into the water, which is another piece of footage. And they broke it up.

I mean, look, just to even, this footage was confiscated immediately that night. And so the fact people were able to record some of it onto their secret computers or whatever you call them, is astounding to me because I know that it was confiscated footage. So from what I understand, in that file system, there's not only multiple videos, but there's also like a full report of what happened that night. You might not have had access to that report.

Maybe people who are just in command of the shifts, you know, do. But can you, I guess, first thing, can you just tell us like, what was your job out there? What was your specific job? just so people understand who we're talking with. Specifically in Iraq, I was an ITC, which stands for ISR tactical controller, ISR being intelligence surveillance reconnaissance. And essentially what that is,

is what you'd think of maybe an air traffic controller, but for intelligence unmanned drones, kind of mixed with maybe a mission controller. So I was kind of like the liaison between unmanned assets that we had available to us within the theater of operations. and I would tell these drones where to go, what to look at, and kind of what their missions were.

So that's primarily what I did and secondarily to that. I also was the counter-UAS Marine. And so we would monitor our adversaries would once in a while fly these quadcopters against us and they had been known. It didn't happen to us on our base

while I was there or that I heard of previously but they would fly these quad copters over these drones or over the base and collect information, maybe drop grenades. And so that was a real threat. And so part of my job was to make sure that we can detect these things and stop that from happening. Yeah, I mean, the reason why George and I knew

by seeing you come out that you had been there is because we kept back from the public some details. And you provided those details. So we're like, that guy was there. The spaghetti monster, that term people used. Like we kind of held that back to see if people would say that to see if they were actually there. And then also the fact that you were aware that it was filmed on the persistent threat detection system, the aerostat, which is actually a Lockheed Martin built.

We knew you were legit the second that we heard those details and you could name the base. You knew the Lake Havina, all that stuff. But just to be clear, did you ever actually utilize the, persistent threat detection system, the aerostat, or your job was more like incursions of hostile drones? Which one?

More so on the UAAS side. So using unmanned drones. We did have the PITs there, the aerostat as an asset for intelligence collection if we needed it. I never

had to use it in that capacity. So I don't really have any experienced specifically with that. And secondary to my primary duties was the counter-UAS side of it. Michael, we know for sure there is a big report that lists this, according to our military, our government, as unidentified, anomalous, weird. We know for sure there's another video that the public has not yet seen of this thing going in and out of the water because we've spoken to multiple witnesses. Can you share with us, based on your expertise and your career over there, why this incident stands out.

What's strange about it? What jumps out at you, the facts that you know? What strange about it is that no other systems or that I'm aware of sensors picked it up, that it seemingly was over our base. And the only way that we were able to see it was just with one of our thermal cameras. and it was just an unknown because we have to watch something like that to make sure it's not a threat

and it was just the shape of it was something that I've never seen before in all my time of looking at drone footage watching live feeds and things like that it was just yeah it was unexplainable

creepy isn't it? Yeah I remember watching for the first time. And I worked the night shift. So like walking around outside at that night, there's been a few times where it's been in the back of my head. Like what if I just look up and there's an eight-foot spaghetti monster over my overhead? Wouldn't that be scary? Now that you've seen sort of the video again and refreshing your memory, this wasn't a Jedi mind trick by Jeremy where he planted this in your head, right? It didn't get you to change your story? No, not at all. After talking with them, I was able to critically think a little bit more back because like I said it's been six years since I

seen this video so as I'm thinking back and as I'm talking to other people who were there with me some of the you know the fuzzy details are starting to become a little bit more clear and so yeah nothing was planted in my head by any means you were yeah I understand like you got thrown into the fire you know this was long ago look I dealt with this with Commander Fraver in 2004 the TikTok, you have out, like, you know, there's people that just want to twist your words and try to get you in a gotcha moment that you've contradicted yourself. I appreciate you, you know, enduring that. And also reaching back out to people that you knew there to like validate and verify your memory, you know, how many videos were there? What did we see? You know, I think that's important

that you do that and not get wrapped up and everything. And ultimately, look, man, a lot of people saw this footage. George and I have known that in a very small community though. So just the fact you're willing to come forward, probably exciting for you. You're like, I've told people about this, but they didn't believe me. And then all of a sudden you look on the news and there's the footage. So I get that. But yeah, the first time we talked, I mean, you know, comparing notes, it just concerned me when you said that you were misquoted and that you from the very beginning you felt like they were just trying to get you to like, you know, take an agenda or take a take on it, like to debunk it. So I understand that. You don't know the world we live in

where people are disingenuous brokers of information. So let's just stick with the facts. So you saw what you now know is a part of longer footage. And you confirmed that with somebody who was at base that there's more footage you didn't see. Is that correct? I confirmed that it is possible that there is more footage that I didn't see. As far as there actually being more out there that specifically that I didn't see, I don't know, for sure. All I know is I believe it was about three recordings that I had saved on my workstation, on the server there, and it was about 17 minutes in length that was of this object.

And that's all I know. Yeah. So look, we're comparing notes right now. So from the direct information, George Knapp and I, you know, have on this and also what we've seen, the assets we've seen, it's my understanding that it was first picked up on like really close, like the close footage was actually the first video and they see it. And then they basically target. I think there's two cameras on the thing. That's a whole other story we're looking into and trying to get information on.

But that it was followed for more than 20 minutes before went into the water. That's what we're told. That's what we understand. And that's what we have some evidence of. And so I know that the core of the footage was on a CD. It was actually on a CD. And that CD was taken that night with military guard. And all of that is in the intelligence report, which I believe you never had access to, right?

Like the full report of what happened that night. Did you read that in the classified server? No, I did not. Okay. So that would be so cool to, I mean, We have to be careful in national security, but it would be really cool to get that out because it's a very detailed report. So I guess that where you were being most misconstrued was when, you know, when you said, like, it didn't go into the water. What you, what I believe I understand is that you never saw that footage of it going into the water.

Right. Okay. So. Let me ask you this. How would you characterize the reaction from the command folks at the base? was that unusual how this case was handled based on what you've reconstructed talking to colleagues who were there at the time that it happened?

They didn't really mention anything about the reaction from the command or the higher ups or anything like that. When I was shown the video, it was more of just a cool video that's saved on the system, something that happened months ago. They did really brief me on having to worry about this thing coming back or, you know, having to take, you know, certain measures to ensure nothing like this

happens again. It was just, you know, something that was unexplatable. It happened. And then that's it. Yeah, I think so if I understand when you inherited your position, you said this was kind of like the ghost story of the base. So you were told about it. And then on that classified, you know, computer, you were able to like see some of it, but you, but you didn't have access to like the firsthand direct witness report of what happened that night, nor were you there the first time. So you didn't get to get fully filled in on that. So you're kind of, what you're doing is you're seeing the footage, you're talking with people at the base and they've said, look, this was at least unique enough that somebody captured it, kept it and spread the word as something that's weird,

right? Right. Interesting. So, so what do, from your expertise, because specifically what you can talk about other than the fact you saw it. I'm really appreciative and excited that you are public about this. But your job, what you did, can you just talk about like why this is important? Encursions over the base like bringing in bombs. And this is something that happens all the time. We know about this where people are to strap right to the base of DGI drones, you know, bombs and try to fly them in the base. I mean, this is of real concern. I mean, that, right at bases like you were at? Yeah, I spent probably a good portion of my pre-deployment training,

even traveling around across the United States, and helping develop systems that can counteract these drones from flying overhead of the bases, and so we could stop that threat. It was becoming to be a serious threat, and then we were starting to take it very seriously. So are you an expert in identification, of things through FLIR.

I don't know. I literally don't know. Are you an expert on identification of things through FLIR if we're looking infrared on this platform?

Pete did specifically? Yeah, or just Fleer in general? We had a separate contracted entity of personnel that were the experts, that were imagery experts that could identify,

you know, things like uniforms and specific vehicles and specific weapon systems. So I wouldn't say that I'm an expert in that realm. I've just seen enough footage to be able to tell what, you know, a lot of things were. So with that, so I understand there's parameters to your expertise, but with that said, you've seen a lot of shit. You've seen a lot of drones with bombs on them.

Does this have the same morphology? Is this consistent with anything you've ever seen before? No, I've never seen anything like this before. It's a head scratcher. It is. One other question, Michael, you know, you've seen the video again now. It appears that the thermal temperature of this object changes from black to white, from hot to cold. And sometimes it looks like the background might also be changing.

Do you have any theories or ideas about whether it's the object that's changing or the background or both? I think that's more of a sensor thing. the sensor kind of kind of like an auto focus on a camera right I think it's more trying to tune into the best settings to get the best visual I don't

I don't think it's the object itself shifting and in temperature at all I could be wrong but that's just my opinion yeah let me um I have so now that George and I could put this out because we have to our job as journalists

to protect sources, even if they don't protect themselves. So it's not like you can broadcast this to a bunch of intelligence individuals and say, hey, what do you think? You got to protect people because obviously somebody leaked this, right? What we've found out, and we'll see if it's true, but what we've found out, operators on that day, the only thing that they really change is white hot or black hot. So this artifact idea, it's not something that's manually being done. the footage itself, it's showing it differential in heat.

So you can definitely get like a false positive that something is going like hot and cold, hot and cold if it's going over in the differential in the camera. But it's not a manual thing. They were telling us that what they can do is go to white, hot, black hot. The system itself might be adjusting totally. It doesn't discount that the object itself is going cold or hot. We don't know. and not even the experts I've talked to really know.

Does that track with how you understand it as well, that it's not like something manually they're adjusting, white, hot, cold, black hot. It's showing a differential in heat compared to the environment. Does that make sense? Yeah. And as far as I know, I didn't have hands on.

I wasn't controlling any of these assets. There's usually an operator that I would work through, and they would be the one that would do that. at all, if it was an automatic thing or that they would manually adjust that. So that would be something I can't speak to myself, but it would make sense to me that, you know, it is possible that that object is. Yeah, it is possible, but, you know, we don't know. I appreciate that because, you know, we're all trying to figure this out.

Now that we could put this out, obviously much bigger, we'll get some great intel on this. This is always confused me and George and the few people we've been able to kind of share this with is what exactly is going on. can we identify the object itself? Because the other thing was they were unable to track. It's the only time in their history they were. Did you hear about that? That they did this full systems check on the camera system after

because they were baffled by how they weren't able to lock it? I think I was told that the P-Tids eventually came down and was serviced and was cleaned pretty much right after the event. And that's just something that I heard of passing because it was like, oh, it's a weird thing that we caught in the camera. We're going to make sure our systems are good. So, yeah, that tracks. Yeah, so Michael, just if you want to give a last statement of like kind of what it is you're trying to say, like, why you decided to go on YouTube and type that in and like, just kind of like what you're, without being filtered or twisted by journalists, you know, on Twitter, like, what is it you want people to know? What are you saying?

The biggest thing I want people to know is I don't have all the information. I maybe have a bigger piece. of the puzzle than most people do. And, you know, that piece is something that I'd seen six years ago. And so, yeah, my memories are a little fuzzy, and I'm trying to recall everything about it, you know, that I can and bring forward this information to the best of my ability. I'm not trying to confirm anybody's biases. I'm not trying to further anybody's agendas.

I only have a few bits of information that I think are, you know, may be helpful in this case, I'm not the go-to expert by any means on probably any of this, but all I could do is share my experience and what I saw, and that's what I'm doing. Healthy attitude, my brother, and don't worry, there will be people coming forward with, you know, much more detailed knowledge of this event, but I really thank you, like, you know, for putting your neck out there because, you know, you're going to be barraged by shit, but I think if you just stay true to yourself and to, like, the facts of it, And, you know, call people out when they misquote you or twist your story because that's important for the public to see.

You know, I think if you got your head on straight and you just, you know, talk about what you know, great. Please don't hold it against us for what UFO world has done to you. And we hope you'll stick around the topic because your voice is important. It's a welcome addition to this community. So that was cool that he stepped forward. I'm sorry you got a bad impression of our topic and our general UFO world community, but that comes with the territory. It does. Yeah, I feel for the kid, you know, because he's kind of fresh into this thing and he had kind of got a bad tasting his mouth at the beginning in private conversations. I understand

that. But, you know, his testimony is important because what it did was it confirmed, well, first of all, the basic Fox, George, that you and I are not lying. This is not CGI or something we made, that this was, you know, military film footage of an unidentified, a UAP, a UFO, an incursion in a military base, that footage of it. I mean, that's the first time in a conflict zone we've ever seen this. I mean, that is neat

that he could confirm those details. I feel bad for him because I know he knows he only has a small piece to the puzzle, but I think to the greater public, it's a big deal. And although this was the only time this type of object was seen at that base,

we touched on a little bit in our previous recording, that was just included in this program, that there have been other incidents, involving something that looked very similar. We've seen it all over Twitter or X this week. People found bits and pieces of video and images from around the world over decades

where jellyfish type operations or objects have been seen. And we know about Pantex, right? We didn't really get into details on that, but we know a lot more about it. Yeah, well, what I meant is this is the first time in a conflict zone that the world publicly gets exposed to footage of an incursion that has never happened before in history. So it's like it's cool for people to see that.

But yeah, incursions happen all the time. We've heard about them. You've reported on them. You brought back documents from Russia explaining they've turned on and off nuclear weapons. But Pantex is why you and I originally took this pretty seriously. We're like, let's look at this because as our friend. Representative Birch, it says, Daggammit.

Dadgammon. We've seen this before. I mean, it's like, so what happened was, we will not go into too much detail right now, but a Pantax, which is a nuclear facility, super sensitive, they arm and disarm nuclear weapons. You and I have received information, I will say,

of an incursion by something that looks almost identical to this quote unquote jellyfish UAP and it moves between nuclear silos. I think it's three and four. I need to look that up. But it moves between them through this like little gated area with little towers, which by the way don't actually have humans in them anymore. They just have like robotic sensors. And it goes through at a steady pace and then goes up and then instantly moves off.

That footage also exists. And now, of course, we would go right to J.L. if we release that. You can't release footage from inside of fantex, but it's like people have that. We know where to task the Senate Intelligence Committee and whoever has access to go look for that. That event did happen. It's a very similar morphology, not the exact same object, obviously. This was years before, but very similar morphology. So you and I took it very seriously, as well as what you brought back from Russia and also what we just know, historically with incursions. So it's, it's super interesting.

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It's diffraction. Oh, my God. People are idiots. I'm sorry. So that's cool. So in the TV special in episode three, we start off with this conversation I'm having, and that is the individual's voice. It's not distorted.

It's not changed. That's the individual's voice. It's not, you know, I heard somebody told me there was some conspiracies of who it was. I was talking with. Look, nobody I talk with on the phone would have ever leaked information to you and me. I'm not an idiot, right? But that individual you hear from is somebody that I can call and you and I can learn information from, like, you know, is this legitimate?

Should we pursue it? Is this something in the classified servers designated UAP? It's just a way for us to check. But in the show, we talk about the Chandelier UAP, totally different UFO or UAP incident. and it was over the Persian Gulf, I give the exact coordinates. We had, George, you and I had to decide, do we give the coordinates or do we give the exact specific day and time? And you can't give both because if you give both, you could unknowingly be compromising

national security. So because the coordinates were on the image, then it's like, okay, we go with the coordinates then. So we give the coordinates. It's what you see looks like a compass rose, which Como said on the news, which is interesting, it looks like a compass rose. But it is actually, it's from a video. So it's a still image that you can see on the To Be Special part three of a video that is classified

in UAP inside of the secure secret servers. It has been hotly debated within the intelligence community because they know it's not ours. They know it's not Russia. They know it's not China. Who's is it? But again, it's from a video. So we released this still because, again, we like our freedom. We don't want to go to jail. We don't know if we're compromising national security by releasing more. It is something that can be followed up on. But I will tell you this. The video is fascinating because it doesn't move the way you would expect. There's no flight control surfaces. It moves in a strange power. And there's, there's, they're really interesting elements to that video. Look, if people want to

release the video anonymously out to the world, they should do that. They don't got to go through me. They don't got to go through you. But this image of the chandelier, and I didn't make that up, that's what's in the intelligence agencies files. That's what they call it. Because they said it's like, if you're laid on your back, you look up at a chandelier, that's what it looks like. So, yeah, you and I release that. in the series in episode three. It is a completely separate UFO case, and people should look into it.

And maybe let's put up that image. So Michael, if you could put up that image, it's fascinating in that it's in thermal as well. You see this kind of star or compass rose pattern of light. It's not like glare or diffraction or whatever these words people are using it. You know, look, if you end up seeing the video, I hope you do, you can see that this is hotly debated within the intelligence community and it is within a classified server of a whole bunch of unknowns, unidentified in UAPs.

I'm glad we could get this one out, George. I know you like the look of it. It's an interesting one, right? Very artistic. The week ended on sort of a high note in Washington. So Congress, members of Congress, Tim Burchett, Luna, a few others have been antsy about hearing from the Inspector General for the intelligence community, the IGIC, specifically regarding David Grush and the amazing revelations that he'd delivered to the world

back in July in an open hearing. They've been waiting to hear if the ICIG stands behind what Grush said. They had a briefing. It's classified. There's only limited amount of stuff they can say about what they heard. But they gave some pretty good indications that what they heard buttrist, the allegations leveled by David Grush about reverse engineering programs, possibly, about crash retrievals. We don't exactly know, do we? We know some of it. No, we do know some of it. People hate that you and I got eyes and ears everywhere. In fact, like, intelligence agencies know that. So they're like, you know, careful with the fact that we do know what happens, what goes down. And it is reported to us that inside of that room,

first of all, there's about 15 people across the aisle. It was bipartisan. And a lot of people actually spoke with all the lawyers that were there that were like dealing with this or at least the lawyer that was there they were able to do a few things one of the things they were able to do was verify that David Grush not just is

who he says he is but that his public claims about you AP were verified to a degree they were authenticated that none of it so far that we know that he said was incorrect, was a lie, was infactual. So I really delineated that when I was kind of getting the news of

what's going on inside. I was like, was it just David Grush that is verified and validated, or was it what he said publicly? And the answer was what he said publicly. And that's pretty huge. I'm pretty sure that, you know, the jellyfish UAP was on, how do you say, front of mind with some of this, but the main thing is, is they were able to get briefed on stuff that was being held back from the ICIG. And I put out a little thread on the Como news segment, which is that I know for short, George, you and I know for sure that some of the information that went to ICIG is because we told people to file those ICIG complaints. They were like, should we go to Arrow? Should we go directly ICIG. I was like, go to Chuck McCullough, former ICIG, because, man, that's a

protected process. So we kind of knew what the ICIG was exposed to. And if there were lies being told again to Congress, I was going to raise hell. But from what I heard, you know, they got a pretty straight briefing to the degree they could be brief. You know, Tim Burchett, dad gummet, he says, he's disappointed. Of course, he wants it all. He wants it now. He gave it a four on a scale of 10, not out of character for him. The other members of Congress who made statements afterward, I watched them. It was sort of like to use the cliche, deer in a headlights look. Even though they have been demanding this information, even though they think that David Grush and his allegations are credible, they seemed a little bit stunned and shocked that the ICIG would go ahead

and verify at least some of what Grush had been alleging. It was like shocking to them. That's the look I saw on their face. Yeah. And after speaking with some individuals with, you know, information on this, I could say that the takeaway was that we are having more public briefings. And in fact, I was on some news show and they surprised me, Is it Representative Ogles? Is that how you say his name? Yeah, he showed up and I straight up took the

opportunity and I asked him. I was like, are we going to have more briefings? Let me tell you, everybody that you and I have talked with now on this, we are having more UFO, UAP briefings. This has stoked the fire. This has lit the fuse. Everybody is in agreement, bipartisan, across the aisle. We're having more briefings. And in fact, I've already been, you know, talking with people about, you know, who to include in these briefings. So that was really cool. Look, man, I think it was a huge step forward. It's not what everybody wants, but you saw some transparency in that meeting from what I understand. They were stunned. They were shocked. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. As you know better than anybody, George, like our Congress has been lied to.

And you have given briefings. You have given information in, I'd say, a classified setting. You have given information in classified setting to try to move this ball forward. And I would like to say that the ball is being moved forward. And I'm very optimistic. Do you like optimism? Are you with me, George? You know where I am on that. I hate to be optimistic. But I would say that 2024 has started off on a pretty good note on the UFO topic and UAP Transparency. I'd just like in closing to point out, you and I do not claim that any of these images, jellyfish, chandelier, pyramids, any of those, are alien craft. We do not say they are non-human craft. We don't know what they are. They are unknown. They are unidentified. That is not our designation. The ones that we've been reporting,

unweaponized, the designation is made by our military, by our government. They're the ones that call these things unidentified. They look at all the available evidence, much more than we can see. That's their conclusion. We don't know what these things are. We don't know what the jellyfish was. We don't know what the chandelier is. That's them making that determination, not you and me. That's right. I think we're all in the same boat. So thank you for kind of stating the obvious to me, but for other people, I think that that's really important. But I think we're all in the same boat. That's what it tells me is like a lot of the people coming forward to you and to me, it's because they're frustrated because they know maybe they've been in a program about non-human intelligence

and they see these assets and they think the world should have them. Look, the world should have the extra four minutes that is filmed of the gift. UFO encounter. The world should have that. The world should have the video footage from the Mosul orb. The world should have the extended footage of the jellyfish UAP. The world should have the footage of the chandelier UAP. You and I are just doing our best to get it out and try to help stoke the conversations so people understand. That's at least my purpose. with this. Yeah, well, people sitting at home or frustrated by lack of progress, get off your butts, go get it. There's no magic formula about it. If you want it, go work at it and go get it.

Develop your own sources. Make contacts with Congress. Find locate military witnesses who've seen these things up close and personal and go after it, you know, and then send it to us. We'll put it out. George, what are we going to do? Is this the end of season one of Weaponized? Is this the final episode? I thought maybe we got one more. What's going on, man? Where can I get you?

I don't know. I'm on the road, you know, so I'm not sure this is, there we're ever going to have another episode. This might be it. No, no, dude. We have to do a final episode, man. So this is real. Like, I'm not just joking for the audience here.

George, we need to set a date to get a final episode. kind of like a back look of what we've talked about in the last year and then a forward look to where we are. And look, this is just season one. I think you and I are going to want to do a season two. But we need to finish this season. Now, I have some guests that I would love to have on for the final episode of Weaponized. We might have a bonus episode here or there.

But for the final one, there's a couple guests. One in particular, I'd really love to have on, but we can't promise anything. So everybody's going to have to be patient, see where we go, because I can't get George Knapp into a point in time and space to confirm the last filming yet. Well, there's some secret stuff underway that's taken a lot of my time, but the world will learn about it soon enough. And I know what guest do you have in mind, and we'll see what we can do to work that out in the next couple of weeks. Later, Jeremy. Later, man. Never has so few, had so much to tell, but

but say so little. Following this and weaponized, presentation of Jeremy Corbelle, George Knapp, Dark Course Entertainment, Cadence 13 Studios, available now for free on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your shows.