WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - UAP Whistleblowers Face Threats, Surveillance, and Unemployment

Episode Date: June 6, 2026

The fired-up denizens of UFO World loudly and consistently call for UAP insiders to step forward. "Spill everything," they demand. "No one would dare mess with you." Such bravado is easy to make for observers who have no skin in the game and for whom UFO disclosure is a spectator sport viewed from the comfort and safety of a home laptop. But for actual whistleblowers and UAP witnesses, reality is much different. Those few insiders who've had the courage to step forward with UAP information know all too well the costs of transparency. Their lives are upended. They are subject to invasive surveillance, outrageous break-ins, legal threats and intimidation, and soul-crushing financial struggles caused by seemingly permanent unemployment. In this episode, recorded on stage at Contact in the Desert, the world's largest UFO-themed gathering, George and Jeremy hear the firsthand, real-life, deeply personal experiences of those who came forward with UAP information to tell what they know—and the price they are still paying. Dylan Borland, a UAP witness and whistleblower, has been unemployed and threatened with treason charges since testifying before Congress in 2025. Matthew Brown, who revealed the existence of a deeply classified effort known as Immaculate Constellation, has had his personal and financial life gutted and reveals a plan to help future witnesses. Senior Chief Alex Wiggins, who also testified before Congress in 2025 about an encounter between a U.S. Navy warship and four Tic Tac objects, has received threats and intimidation from a UAP agency invoking the Secretary of War. What can be done to actually help future whistleblowers and witnesses? The panel has solid ideas about how to move forward. GOT A TIP? Leave a message for us at [phone] Reach out to us at [e-mail] ••• SAUCER + WEAPONIZED = https://saucerco.com (you do the math) ••• 🛸 CLIPS : https://YouTube.com/@WeaponizedClips 🤖 MERCH : https://Weaponized-Shop.Fourthwall.com 🕵️ MORE : https://WeaponizedPodcast.com ••• SLEEPING DOG : https://SleepingDogMovie.com ••• FOLLOW JEREMY ON SOCIAL https://x.com/JeremyCorbell https://Instagram.com/JeremyCorbell https://Facebook.com/JeremyCorbell JEREMY'S WEBSITE https://ExtraordinaryBeliefs.com ••• FOLLOW GEORGE ON SOCIAL https://x.com/G_Knapp https://Instagram.com/GeorgeKnapp66 https://Facebook.com/George.Knapp.125 GEORGE'S WEBSITE https://MysteryWire.com ••• *Produced by Michael Lazovsky https://MichaelLazovsky.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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These phenomena, these beings, these technologies are in contact with our service members on the front lines on a near daily basis. People are getting hurt. Nothing is being done about it. There are stories and reports about, hey, whistleblowers, come on forward. We're having an event in Washington, D.C. on the steps of the Capitol in June. It's going to be great. All of you guys who've got inside information, come on forward and join us and tell us what you know. They won't dare hurt you.

Well, I don't know that that's accurate. or not. Somebody, arrow and or ODNI, falsified, classified information, and lied to the government, to persuade government, and is threatening me with treason. You want to know how my life is? The rest of my life, that will be hung over my head. Statue of limitations for treason is life. I have no answers. Since the hearing, I have done everything I can. My wife has been threatened, disgustingly. You guys are aware. I was cleared until I found out yesterday where my clearance has now been put in to a position of undefined. Trying to quiet me and I understand that I am an active duty member.

And if you take someone who's active duty and shut them down, it shuts down any other active duty person who may see something in the sky or see something in the water like I did. So I get the scare tactic. In Sleeping Dog, when you see me going through the file structure and system and you see the videos that George and I were assessing, not going to put out, just glimpses. It wasn't to tease you.

It was to provoke our government to release what we know they have when we did underhanded pitches. Very, very few people have your back. And worse than that, there are active efforts to solicit new whistleblowers to come forward because Dylan and I are inconvenient because we tell the truth. Jeremy and I get invited to a meeting at ODNI, Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Tulsi Gabbard was until recently in that position. And we met with these folks and they said,

Director Gabbard has authorized a new investigation. We're going to get to the bottom of this UFO stuff. We're going to find the legacy programs. We have absolute clearances to go anywhere we need to go. We need your help. We were the first two guys, I guess they called in. So we go into this meeting. We have, they ask us, well, you better stash your phone somewhere.

Here, put them in this car outside. It didn't go as planned. It was pretty nasty. We find out Jeremy gets these contacts from the ODNI folks who were supposedly going to get to the bottom of it, trashing everybody that we sent to them. Not only two of these, three guys, Dr. James Likatsky, Jay Stratton, who was the head of the UAP Task Force.

Sleeping Dog is a powerful and emotional film about what life is really like for those of us who are crazy enough to chase this topic. I'm Gino, the executive producer of the Y Files, where we explore the unexplained, investigate hidden truths, and illuminate when the government is hiding things from the people. This morning, we have a special moment.

George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell are two of the most fearless investigative journalists in the UAP world. For years, they've worked tirelessly to bring hidden realities into the open, often at great personal cost. They've put their reputations, their families, and their lives on the line

in pursuit of the truth. Their work has helped bring forward some of the most credible whistleblowers of our time, and they've pushed the conversation on disclosure further than many thought possible. On May 8th, Michael Lozowski, the producer of Weaponized, premiered Sleeping Dog, documenting Jeremy's journey alongside George. On that very same day, the U.S. government launched Pursue the most aggressive UAP declassification initiative in American history. Was that a coincidence, or did they realize that this dynamic duo was no longer willing to wait for permission to bring the truth to the people?

For years, George and Jeremy have stood at the center of this story, protecting sources, documenting evidence, demanding transparency, and most importantly, protecting whistleblowers, even as they faced intense scrutiny and attacks. Their efforts have helped move this issue from the shadows into the public spotlight all the way to the halls of Congress, and their work is far from finished. You know them as heroes of this community. They're respected as pioneers, investigators, and truth seekers, and I'm fortunate enough to call them my friends. Please join me in welcoming George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell.

You know, if you follow the UFO topic on social media, you know that a lot of people who have been in the field for, say, six months are incredibly impatient. And they'll say, hey, whistleblower should come forward, tell everything they know. No one would dare prosecute them. Come on, guys. These are the same people who, they've been at it for six months, and they are so impatient because no one has delivered a crash saucer to the front of their house. No one has allowed them to dissect a dead alien body, and they're just not going to pay attention to it anymore until they get to do one of those things.

So, you know, the reality is that the lives of the people who have stepped forward are very different from what you might imagine. It's not like a first-class travel, and you've got a group of groupies that follow you around, and you get gourmet meals, and it's just life on easy street after you become a really big UFO celebrity. It's nasty. and today we're going to share with you what life is like for those who have had the courage and the fortitude to step forward. Yeah, I'm not going to risk that microphone. Hey guys, thanks for coming out. It means a lot to me.

We wouldn't be doing what we were doing and are doing and trying to do if you didn't give a shit. So thank you for being here. It's really cool to see everybody. And thanks to having this event, this is a really fun event. It's a little bit more serious than other events. And I like that. I go on like podcasts where people make jokes about huffing the asses. of cats and I'm lost.

With you, that's real, you'll see that this week. With you guys, I feel like we can talk and you'll hear. So this is why we have three people joining us today because you're going to hear, you're going to listen, and you're going to make some noise if you agree. Okay, so thank you for having us. I'm excited to be here with George Motherfucking Knapp. Thank you.

And vice versa. I don't know how many of you have seen the new movie that was discussed in the introduction. What's it called, too? Sleeping Dog. I have this. Sleeping Dog is a powerful and emotional film by Michael Lozowski about what life is really like for those of us

who are crazy enough to chase this topic. And we've got it easy compared to what happens to the guys that we're about to meet. You want to introduce the three of them? One at a time? Not one at a time. It's a gang. is an army of whistleblowers, but there are three people joining us. Now, they've all, in their

own way, testified in front of you to Congress publicly. And I'm also meaning George Knapp. One of them hasn't had a chance yet. You've heard his words. You've read his words, but he hasn't had the chance to prove to you he's telling the truth. And the only way I know how to do that is for him to be under oath in front of the American public, just like David Grush did. I wanted to see if he was telling the truth. Fucking do that. Then you prove it to me. Fought hard for that.

Fought hard for these guys. They're coming out now, and they're going to tell you the whole truth, nothing but the truth, and they're not going to leave anything out except one thing. And that's because that one thing, if we get there, is really important. But everything they say before is going to set that up.

Can I please introduce three people who are dear friends of mine because we've been in the trenches together? Everybody here has testified except for me. And Matt Brown. Dylan Borland, Senior Chief Wiggins, Matt Brown, get out here. Now, I will say a lot of people testified under oath behind closed doors in very serious situations where if they lie, they go to prison.

Everything they've testified to publicly unweaponized, everything they've said with their hand up, they did under higher circumstances. Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay, no. What I'm saying is that even though Matt Brown hasn't raised his hand in front of Congress, and I want everybody to do that, there's a bunch of people you don't know who have testified in very intense situations. They are telling you how it is.

Accept it or not. Here we go. George, take it over. I'm emotional. Maybe we go through with each of you guys at the start of your journey, because the disclosure, the things that you have shared, each, you have different levels of it. You have meetings. Some of you have been before Congress.

some of you have done meetings with a certain agency that we'll get into after Congress. Let's start with that, Matt. You haven't testified before Congress, but you have certainly shared information behind closed doors under intense pressure about what you learn. So let's start with that. Yeah, so that's a good distinction. I was never setting out to be a whistleblower to the public. I was a UAP whistleblower to Congress. In 2021, the Senate Select Intelligence Committee passed legislation asking for people from the intelligence community to come to them with information about UAB to speak in closed door rooms.

And, you know, the only reason I became public is because over the months and years afterwards, it became very clear that, you know, there were shenanigans afoot. and, you know, one of those things was that no information was allegedly going from the Senate to the House. So I took it upon myself to make sure that that information did go from the Senate to the House. As AOC said recently, and she's absolutely correct, disclosure already happened on the Senate side, and then that iron wall came up, and, you know, that is not the way to run a republic. Let's start with this, though. So you went through, all three of you, went through proper channels. You didn't set out to be a UFO celebrity.

You went through channels. You reported this up the chain of command. What should be known by your superiors, what you thought was vital information. And you did your job, and then you found out it just kind of came to a dead stop, right? Yeah, I mean, certainly official engagements came to a dead stop. But after certain information was shared,

I will never know which. I started being asked to have conversations with the same people, but not in government facilities, you know, cars, parks, coffee shops, bars, anything, it seemed to keep me from being back in an official setting, you know, where my words would carry more weight. Can you, let's give a thumbnail synopsis

for those who may not know what information you came across. You came across this part of, by doing your job, Immaculate Constellation. Can you give a thumbnail sketch of what that was and why he thought it was important to share with the world. Yeah, so Immacute Constellation, I'll briefly share the story again, found it while doing volunteer duty to clean up a shared server that was at a very high classification level, unremarkably labeled, opened it, you know, saw UAP content front to back.

At the time, I was just working my career, and UAP were already, you know, part of that, world just by virtue of the intelligence environment I was working in. So it was unremarkable. It was in that sense. It was, you know, oh, I found something. It was a mistake. Let's get this cleaned up because clearly somebody is handling the UAP issue and they have left their homework on the table. What's the significance of what you found, though? The nature of the program that you found that existed and that you still maintain is real and probably still ongoing. So I think the most accurate and correct thing to say is that it's an operational program. So it's not like something that's going out and buying a B2 bomber and it's not setting up collection systems.

It's real, it's something that organizes and coordinates real-world operations. Major part of that being intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance all around the world, focused on collecting on UAP and their interactions with our forces and the forces of our adversaries, green and blue, as well. So, you know, in that sense, it's hard to say it is one thing, because it's encompassing, it's fluid, it's an operation, it changes every day, but the mission is permanent. And the mission is to scoop up really good videos, imagery that pops up in military servers, intelligence community servers, secret places where this kind of information is stashed,

and it scoops it up from those places and puts it somewhere else. Yeah, that certainly seems to be part of it for sure. Whether Immaculate Constellation is the control system for all UAP imagery itself, or if that control system is what sort of enables Immaculate Constellation, I don't have the answer to. I only had my limited unofficial exposure to this. So, you know, I don't want to define Immaculate Constellation. There's more to that story.

There's more to that program. I hope people come forward to share more details. I've talked with enough people behind the scenes to have a better idea of what it is, but that's, you know, that's not my place to say. We'll come back to the glamorous life of the UFO whistleblower in a little bit. Dylan, again, same sort of question

about the processes that you went to, the levels you went to, to go through proper channels. You came across some information you thought was really stunning and important, and you wanted to share it, but go through channels first before you became a UFO superstar.

Yeah, I wish I was a superstar. Good morning, everybody. I think it's still morning. Love y'all. You know, for me, I think I never wanted this. So I had my encounter at Langley Air Force Base, and some stuff happened, and I got exposed to things at BAE

because they were playing games with me for years, and they were playing games with people who were right into the legacy program and they thought I was right in. A lot of really bad stuff happened between 2016 and about 2022. And what ended up happening was I went to a dinner and that's how I met Matt. And during this time, an individual who had worked with the or spoke with the UAP Task Force made a comment that people's lives were in danger. And I know what I had went through. and I had told this individual, if you are positive people's lives are in danger,

then I need to immediately go talk to Congress. And I got in touch with Congress. Went in there and disclosed 70% about what I knew, and about three weeks later, they asked me to go to Arrow. I went to Arrow, and it was blatantly obvious that Arrow was playing games. So after that, Dave Grush testified and I was asked to go to the IG and like a willing American who swore no to the Constitution, I immediately went there. And I told the IG the same thing.

Under oath, under penalty of going to jail. And my attorney hit me back and was basically like, you need to disappear. So I went back to work and I went to work for a year and a half. Jeremy and George knew me and some others knew me. had no desire to be public. And then I was asked to go to Congress, which is something I was advised not to speak to Congress ever again. And I spoke to them to go to the hearings.

And there are some fun stories there that Jeremy may share one time in the future. But long story short is I made an emergency video with Jeremy and George because I went and did something against what the IG and my attorney recommended me to do. That is why the first series of episodes and weaponize exist with me. Thankfully, Congress did allow me to go forward, and immediately after that, not 24 hours later, I was asked to go to DNI. And since then, in the last eight months,

this has been absolutely atrocious. But hopefully that answers your question. It's been atrocious for all three, and then we'll get into details in a bit. But you tried to do the right thing, go through channels, do what you thought, the law required you to do or allowed you to do and basically it's been miserable at every step of the way. Yeah, I mean I had a job for about a year and a half. After my contract ended

with DITRA, the job I was doing with the same customer moved to another agency and I went to interview for my exact same job. I did it for seven years and I was told I wasn't qualified. During a polygraph examination, I was asked specific questions about my IG interview, which is literally illegal, but again, nobody really seems to care. Well, rephrase, you guys care. Everybody here cares, but our government doesn't have accountability. So we'll come back to the personal consequences for all three of these guys. Chief Wiggins, you're not a whistleblower per se, but you were a witness. And like these guys, you went through channels when you got this information. There had to be a point at which you're wondering, hey, should I do this?

Is this a risk to my career? Yes. I fought that through when initially seeing the video for the first time that you both had put out and I I didn't think I would have to think about is this gonna affect my career right I'm looking at it as if I witnessed this if I were to be on a boat in the middle of San Diego waters if I'd witnessed that as a non-military personnel I don't think I should should have any reprisal so why would it make any difference if I'm active duty if I worked at Burger King I don't think you're gonna fire me from Burk King, right? So I'm thinking, I'm just going to go out and kind of discuss with Jeremy

and George what I saw and do the weaponized podcast and honored to testify in front of Congress and talk about the things that are out there that are the unexplained. But there has been definitely unfortunate things afterwards, and like you said, George, we'll talk about that. I mean, there you are. I mean, you're on a powerful naval warship, advanced technology, you're off the coast of Southern California, you see, you and your crew members see and record, and the sensors confirm it, a Tic-Tac. And then not only one but four.

I mean, you would think, hey, U.S. Navy, you're gonna wanna know about this. Yeah, and thinking that exact thought, I figured we wanna talk about this because this is something that you don't see off the coast of San Diego on day-to-day routines in San Diego on board of naval ship. So once the video was,

released. I thought it thought the right way to go through the process is talk to the Navy and make sure that I would get the okay. Because I'd known and heard how entities could interfere with your career and affect things, et cetera. So of course, I have kids and family and I'm not one to jeopardize anything. So thankfully, the Navy did support going to Congress. so that was, you know, I was baffled. I love the Navy, of course, but I was thinking government is government, regardless of what branch are in.

But, yeah, the Navy did help with getting to Congress. That was great. But, again, it's arrow, as Dylan's mentioning, is what wind up becoming an issue with me afterwards. So today, if you follow social media X, there are stories, reports about, hey, whistleblowers, come on forward. We're having an event in Washington,

on the steps of the Capitol in June. It's going to be great. All of you guys who've got inside information, come on forward and join us and tell us what you know. They won't dare hurt you. Well, I don't know that that's accurate or not. Jeremy, why don't you dig into what their lives have been like since they came forward?

I will tell that story one day. Today's not the day. You know, look, with Congress, they, it takes months. It takes months. It takes months. When I recommend a witness, they want 15, they say we got three days, they go, no you don't,

not gonna happen, they aren't picking up, they don't fucking trust you, it takes months. These guys are in the wind. By the way, none of these guys asked to testify, none of them, they did everything right, reported up chain of command. I asked them to testify, I did. And what happens with that

is that with each of them, there are consequences. So with Matt, you got to hear his words, right? Hey, y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if.

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He does not have a cleared dopser-like process like Matt does through State Department. Senior chief, just from the very start, he says, I'm speaking for myself, not the Navy. But Dylan doesn't have that protection. So it's different for each person. But I'll always remember, actually all of you said it to me in your own way. But the last person said to me was you, senior chief. I said, why are you going to do this just because I ask you, don't. Just because I ask you do something.

I know you trust me, but I can't provide. all the protection. I don't know what's going to happen. This is UFO Vietnam. I don't know. And he said to me, because it's the right thing to do. What were their lives like? Buck it. I'll be blunt. Consequences for each of them. Do you guys mind if I'm a little blunt? Not too personal? Go for it. Let's tell the truth today. I mean one week ago, we got into some really massive stuff on weaponized, so go for it, man. Okay. So without getting personal because our families get docks, our wives get threatened, our moms get threatened, our moms get threatened. We lose jobs. We have people follow us. Badged contact, not just like someone I think is following us, right? Badge contact. If you know what that means, they show you the badge

from each federal agency and they just put pressure on you. I don't know at midnight at a fucking charging station for me, OSI. So I film them, film and record everybody. Here's what happened to them. Matt Brown, he said to move because he has no job, couldn't afford the place he lived in. His home was broken into. They didn't steal anything. While they were sleeping in there, him and his wife were in the house, they laid out IDs across the table. You said I could talk a little bit about it just to show they took photos of them. They smashed his grandfather's ashes on the ground.

Yeah, break in. Dylan Borland. There's a police report. He had his brake lines cut. We don't know who did it. Who would want to hurt Dylan? Don't know. It happened to be on a very unique day of his life, though.

A very auspicious day. We could never prove it. Maybe it's so he goes around saying that. So you all think he's crazy. But he did wreck the truck. And no, he wasn't drunk. So, Senior Chief was actually one of the, and I'm not even scratching the surface

with what happened to my friends. When they get threatened by ODNI, the head of all intelligence agencies, where I said to them, they are here to protect you. That's what they say. Wink, wink, don't trust them. I got you.

I'm documenting everything. They tried to get Dylan straight up on treason by fabricating evidence against him. And the only reason it didn't work is because I caught those fuckers and I gave it to my lawyer and it's all recorded. Matt, they tried to get on counter-espionage on American assets or some fancy shit like that.

And they said he made it up. I go, really? Here's some proof he didn't. Oh, they found out what I actually have with George. So here's the deal. Senior Chief Wiggins. It was more insidious because it was subtle because there's covert and there's overt manipulation.

Covert shit just to annoy you push you over the edge somebody docks me real hard last night my phone won't stop ringing every 10 seconds a new call thanks whoever did that it doesn't affect me I've got a family phone in my pocket bitch and you'll never get that number seen senior chief Wiggins was insidious because just like Matt and Dylan how they were told you have absolute protection bro you can come and you can say anything we're in a skiff I am completely clear it I'll hunt this down we're gonna get to the bottom of the UFO thing. They tried then to falsify charges and first what they tried is to make me and George turn around and denounce every whistleblower anything everybody has ever said. They're all fucking liars from Louelizando.

Don't take my words and twist them in a video. They lied to me that everybody was liars and I caught them in the lies. Louelizondo, Jay Stratton, Eric Davis, the sweetest guy in the world, Matt Brown, Dylan Borland, Senior Chief, They all tried to turn me and Georgia, we'd tell to you, fuck these guys, they all lied to us. David Grush, that's what they're trying to make us do to do their dirty work. Last thing was Senior Chief. Most insidious. Arrow is supposed to investigate under congressional mandate.

They're not supposed to be running a human intelligence operation to entrap people who are active Navy and threaten them that if they don't go do a deposition, I don't know the right word, he already said everything with his hand up. He politely declined. Then they threatened him. His higher command. They went to his higher command. Fuck that.

We shut that down in one hour. One hour shut down. So they're telling you as it is. You wanted me to say what they've been through. I can never describe it, man. You saw what I went through with sleeping dog. That's real. I spun out.

That's never happening again. I am taking that anger. It wasn't even fear. I'm taking that anger and I'm channeling it. And that's what I'm asking you to do today when you hear more from them. You understand? So just to backfill some of the details, last September, there's this hearing before Congress, and we were all there.

A couple of us got to testify. The day after, Jeremy and I get invited to a meeting at ODNI, Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Tulsi Gabbard was until recently in that position, and we met with these folks, and they said, Director Gabbard has authorized a new investigation, where to get to the bottom of this UFO. stuff. We're to find the legacy programs. We have absolute clearances to go anywhere we need to go. We need your help. We were the first two guys, I guess they called. Are you one of those media strategy people clicking through slides, scrolling spreadsheets? Yes? Good. This is for you. Because on Spotify, there's an audience that's different, locked in, loyal, invested. They're called fans.

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Just real quick. Oh, yeah, we were because when you find out one day who tasked them to contact me, so George and I would talk with them, it was months before that. When you find that out one day, if it needs to be said, it's going to make you fucking scared. So we go into this meeting. They ask us, well, you better stash your phone somewhere. Here, put them in this car outside here. So we did.

And yeah, we took an Uber there. You can't take your phones in here. You got to put them somewhere. So we did. We go into this meeting, two people. They tell us, we're getting to the bottom of this. This is serious. We can follow it anywhere.

We need your help. We're looking for names of people who can help us find the legacy program. So, you know, we shared a couple of names that are pretty obvious that they should know about. And they did follow up on them. And then we said we know some whistleblower types who, you probably should talk to as well, so long as they're protected. Well, eventually, two of these three guys

did meet with them, and it didn't go as planned. It was pretty nasty. We find out Jeremy gets these contacts from the OD&I folks who were supposedly going to get to the bottom of it, trashing everybody that we sent to them. Not only two of these three guys, but people like Lou Elizondo, Dr. James Lakatsky,

Jay Stratton, who was the head of the UAP Task Force, was involved with OSAP, tip and pretty much everyone, character assassination, the most foul, ridiculous kind of allegations about them, it was pretty clear within months of that endeavor being undertaken that they were out to destroy everybody who came forward, that the report that was being prepared for OD and I was to smash this. It was meant to discourage Congress from pursuing this because they're a little bit scared of Congress. I mean, the passion of people like Representative Luna and Burchett and Burleson, and others on the Senate side as well.

I mean, they're a little bit scared of that because Congress does have power, even in today's political environment. So I think that that report was meant for one audience and was Congress and maybe for media to move along to some other issue. But I want to hear from these guys about what their lives have been like

since coming forward, because the personal cost is unbelievable. Matt, you can't get a job, right? No, George. I have lost my career. I spent over a decade building, you know, from 2011 on, starting over with nothing. And, you know, prospects aren't good these days. And then the pressure is intense and very personal. I mean, it means not just the effect on you, but your wife, what you want to do for the future. You will never work in one of those kind of programs again, ever, will you?

No. Not only while I know. I'll never work in any programs. I will almost certainly never be allowed or close to government. On the personal side, you know, I'm 35. This started for me five years ago. My wife and I are, you know, we wanted a family. Seems very remote now.

It's very difficult to imagine a future at this moment. It has been hell. So you hear these rah-rah pronouncements from the UFO gallery, hey, come on whistleblowers, come forward. They wouldn't dare hurt you or prosecute you. They don't need to prosecute you to destroy your life. I mean, the consequences are very real. Could you share a little bit more about what Jeremy mentioned about the break-in

and spreading out the information in your house? Yeah, that was very bizarre, and I didn't quite realize the gravity of what had happened at the time. as time went on, just became clear how both utterly strange it was and how there's only one real explanation for what was going on. So to walk through it, you know, woke up just a normal weekday and was heading out to work early in the morning and, you know, just saw my wife's cards laid out on the couch and all her IDs and everything. And I thought, oh, that's strange. Maybe she lost something. So I started cleaning up. And then I see more things moved around, and it starts looking like, oh, shit, we had a hot prowl.

Someone was in here last night while we were sleeping trying to rob us. But then I look around, and right on that ground floor, there's three laptops worth like thousands of dollars each. Nothing is missing. The only thing taken out of the house is, as you said, my grandfather is ashes, who was a Navy veteran of World War II. And not only that, after World War II, continued to serve his country. We don't know exactly what he did, but I did find that he was conveniently stationed at multiple NSA stations across the United States through the 50s. We'll never find his records because they were all destroyed in that fire in Missouri. So that is the man whose remains they took away from me and left as a message in the street next to the garbage.

So that was a very difficult day. Didn't end up going to work because we had to call the police and have a normal investigation. They were just as confused as us, you know. They thought maybe it was just some creep instead, you know, came in and looked some sort of sexual pervert, you know, like, because nothing's missing. Why are you in a house with these people sleeping? You don't think that's the answer? No, not at all. I mean, it's intimidation. It's meant to mess with your brain. It's meant to mess with your life. Correct. And at that point, I was not a whistleblower to Congress. I was merely involved with the sort of networks in the intelligence community that were looking at UAP from,

from the perspective of, you know, what the hell is going on? And we're being lied to. We need to start figuring this out from the inside because these phenomena, these beings, these technologies are in contact with our service members on the front lines on a near daily basis. People are getting hurt. Nothing is being done about it.

Dylan, we haven't really described what you were doing, but you were working for an agency. inside a private company, a contractor, and the nature of the work was incredibly sensitive, unrelated to UAPs. But in the course of that work, you learn a lot of information, and you do the right thing and come forward. So what's your life like?

You can't work in that anymore. You don't even know if you have a clearance as of this weekend. Well, George, accurate. A couple of quick things is you ask about my life. Let's get it clear. somebody, Aero and or ODNI, falsified, classified information, and lied to the government, to persuade government, and is spreading me with treason. You want to know how my life is? The rest of my life, that will be hung over my head. Statue of limitations for treason is life. I have no answers.

I have asked, and nobody can tell me what is going to be done and what accountability there is. So to answer your question, George, since the hearing, I have done everything I can. My wife has been threatened, disgustingly. You guys are aware. I have been docks. They have showed pictures of the inside of my house. I've been threatened with treason. And I've been sitting here trying to help whistleblowers and trying to look out for people.

That's all I care about. Accountability in protecting a constitution. It's been miserable, George. My wife and I don't have jobs, and both of us, well, she's still cleared. I was cleared until I found out yesterday where my clearance has now been put into a position of undefined. So I had a clearance until yesterday. Interesting timing that you're here for that, too. Agreed.

Chief Wiggins, you haven't had quite that kind of disruption in your life, but there was something really interesting that happened after this. We met with OD&I. You got contacted with the premier UFO investigative agency in the U.S. government. They're called Arrow and they're doing a really fine job. But what was your experience with them and what kind of threats did they make to you? Yeah, George, after September in Washington, I was flooded with emails from Arrow. And originally I didn't know what the agency, what their focus was, what's their mission. So I got in touch with both of you to ask questions and kind of understand.

and Arrow wind up contacting my chain of command and, you know, had to sit down with my captain, and he was kind of curious. He was wondering, you know, why am I being contacted about something you did as a civilian, right? You were doing it outside of the uniform. Why am I being contacted? Let him know, sir, I'm not sure.

So he let me see the email that he was part of because they'd sent one directly to him and then one with him and myself on it. Totally different literature in both of those. His was a lot more discreet to the point where my captain contacted Arrow, the person who sent the email, and asked the question. But before he asked the question, he brought me to the office and said, what do you want to do? I said, I want nothing to do with this.

I'd like to politely decline. I just want to continue on with my life. I said what I said to Congress, I think that should be sufficient for what they're asking for. He said, okay, if that's what you want me to say, I'll say it. And so he did tell them that. Come to find out that he asked, over the phone, got in contact with Arrow and said, he'd like to politely decline, but my captain said, I'm curious, what happens now? What happens to my senior chief now that he doesn't want to do this?

And they said, well, we're going to let you know that we'd like to push back and tell you that if we have to get Pete Hexeth, Secretary of War, to get him to come in, that's what we're going to have to do. I was surprised to hear that. I would have never thought, you know, if this is the agency that sounds so nice and kind to us, that they're going to compel me as an active duty member to tell them something that I've our job. already said to Congress, there's nothing else that I'd like to share with them. And that's threatening, you know, I'm around the corner from retirement a year away. I can see this becoming an issue for my retirement. I can see this being an issue as a father retiring and attempting to get jobs and such. And it's unfortunate our friends here are going through this, but I see them putting me in that same basket in the future.

And it's unfortunate. But again, what we did needed to be done. So you put people's clearances. as undefined or you know you're never going to be able you've worked sometimes decades how many decades have you worked senior chief two decades that'll be 25 years next year in the Navy thank you for your service so the people promising us they're going to protect whistleblowers are asking them to come out in mass now now you've heard what happens when whistleblowers come out so do you think it's a good idea and we should all support that every whistleblower just come

there and say whatever they want because there is a cascade of casualties that happens for each person I've witnessed it and I told them each time I told senior chief you're a single father you're at that time couple years from retirement now one year retire if they want to fuck with you they're going to and this could destroy everything you work decades for to have your family to be there for your kids to put food on the table and to be the dad and have the life that you envision for yourself just because you decided to raise your your hand and say I was on a ship and we saw four tick-tacks. How fucking dumb is that?

Right? So that's not going to happen to him and this is going to stop with them and here's how. ODI and I and by the way infiltrated by CIA fuck around and find out there's more of us than there are you. So go ahead fuck around and find out because George and I we do go to the desert and dig shit up. We do. and we're not bluffing and in fact they know that my lawyer and Georgia's lawyer has everything that protects these guys as well

including the fabrication of evidence against these two fuck around and find out and that's not a bluff give me one second we need to have a process that is good for national security where people like Dylan and Matt and senior chief can come forward

and tell what they know It doesn't have to be public, but they need to be able to tell what they know. There are a lot of people that you do not know the names and faces of. And I'm hesitant to bring them forward because of what's happened to them. That's got to stop. I don't have much more to say right now. As you might have guessed, these guys have been through these experiences together. I mean, they have bonded over the commonality of the experiences.

you and a couple of the guys, right? Yeah. Yes, sir. Because there aren't many people in the world who've been through what you've been through. Yes, sir. Dylan, how did it go at Home Depot when you submitted your resume of working

for national security? Yeah, or the bank. You know, I mean, I've talked about this before. We joked up in Oregon about me going to be a park ranger. I would actually love it. But, you know, my resume is a bit insane for most people. You know, I

reported directly to the director of the CIA, the President of the United States, and Director of National Intelligence. So when you see that on a resume, and you understand what it says, and you're... You sound like management material to me. I appreciate it, George. I, you know, you're applying to low lumber. I got my master's degree. It's one of two things.

Either you're crazy or you will leave the first second you get, so not too many people want to hire you. Matt, after that, O'D and I meeting, you met with these folks, you did the whole thing, you went through the process, you answered every question, you gave them everything you wanted that they wanted from you. I know what information we got about you after that was so preposterous and outrageous. A, outrageous that it would be shared with us because it was confidential. It's behind closed doors. We shouldn't know this stuff, but B, how outrageous the allegations were. Where were you when you got the information from us about what the, the, they were?

their claim was about you as being anti-Jewish, a Jew-hater is what the words were. Where were you? I was at my friend's Jewish wedding in Virginia. You got a problem with certain ethnic groups? No, George. I mean, how did you feel? When you hear that slur about you, how ridiculous it is. That's the first, I mean, you'd be tempted almost to laugh about it, and then you had to get pretty bad about it. I was furious. As I said in the interview, you know, I raised other issues around UAP. You know, the fact that they went with the predictable attack there,

which was twisting the concerns about the actions of the state of Israel in relation to October 7th and the death of Charlie Kirk, which is what happened right after the hearing that Dylan Borland and George Knapp testified at. Yeah, they twisted those concerns into calling me an anti-Ssexual. I might. And Chief Wiggins, has Pete Hegesath reached out to you personally, since then, has he? No, no. Do you wait for a call? He has not. And, you know, I will say, George, I recognize as an active duty member the possible intent of Aero-Cont, trying to quiet me. And I understand that I am an active-duty member. And if you take someone who's active duty and shut them down,

It shuts down any other active duty person who may see something in the sky or see something in the water like I did. So I get the scare tactic. But I would say if you're seeing something, especially how I went to Congress as a civilian, say something. Don't let something like that scare you if you're wanting to do something for good. You know, today on X this morning, I saw this story about Sean Kirkpatrick, who cannot let Arrow go. He was there for 17 months, and it's been, what, three years, and he can't let it go. So now we finally hear some positive statements from Dr. Koslowski, the head of Arrow, saying, you know, some of these cases really are unexplainable. We've seen unexplainable movements, and Sean Kirkpatrick, who still thinks he's a spokesperson for Arrow, comes out and blasts the guy who replaced him in the job for daring to say that there are some cases that are unexplainable.

Of course there are. The idea that Arrow is the designated investigative agency for UFOs and is invited whistleblowers and witnesses to come forward, tell us what you know. And I've made the joke before. It's like the Roach Motel, the old jokes about roaches go in but don't come out. That's UFO information to Arrow. I hope that Dr. Kozlowski, the new guy, is who he says he is and is trying to turn that thing around. But can you imagine, you guys, any of the other whistleblowers that you know, potential whistleblowers,

and witnesses and there is a small group of them. Can you imagine any of them going to Arrow and telling them what they know ever? Yeah, I mean, I hope nothing but the best, but no, and I think everybody loosely is one degree of separation. So pretty much everybody out there knows who to get in contact with and can talk with people. And anybody who's watching and paying attention to this, like I said before, I've been looking at this for years. I think they're looking at this and it's, I'm going to come forward or get this story, and there's nothing for me and my family and no way's going to protect us. And you can actively commit crimes and there is no accountability and they get away with it.

So no. There is a learning process on who to trust. Trust is something you can't give. It needs to be earned and it needs to be replicated and duplicated every day for the rest of your fucking life. We have trust us up here. It's been hard learned sometimes. We trust the wrong person. And that can be a big mistake.

It could have been a big mistake. There are some journalists who offer to pay whistleblowers that you're not a journalist if you offer to pay somebody. They're fake, and they report to people. And I will call everybody out by name with evidence if I must, but you've got to use your own intuition. If you have a story and you want to come, tell us, we're on cosmic time, though.

If you want your story out, we're the wrong journalist. You want it done right? you can come to us, ask people, legacy of trust, maybe back to Commander Fravor when we kept his secret for many, many, many years before it came out. The worst thing they could do is put a fake journalist in front of you. People don't understand my anger sometimes. You don't know why. And they fill in the voids. Just ask me.

I'll tell you why I was angry and snapped in my backpack. This would be funny. There was a gift of that. But I'll tell you why. Not now. Personally, I'll tell you. So who can you trust? A couple of things I wrote down.

Right now, we have about 20 minutes and I want them, want you to ask them questions, okay? We're in an era of call and response. Pay attention. In Sleeping Dog, when you see me going through the file structure and system and you see the videos that George and I were assessing, not going to put out, just glimpses, it wasn't to tease you. It was to provoke our government to release what we know they have when we did underhanded pitches.

So imagine if that's underhanded pitches, instantaneous acceleration, that's real, underhanded pitch. Okay? Call and response. What that means is you need to pick up that phone and make that call however you do it, because we're getting responses. We have to provoke. Nothing will ever be given to you. Two other points.

We're going to do Q&A. But there are our podcasters on payrolls. You are un-American. Do the right thing. fucking stop or pivot because I know who you are. No, no, no, no, no, check it out. Check it out. Every human has to do, whatever human has to do, and that's on them, not on me and you.

You understand? I'm just saying it because it's true. Okay, last thing, because I'm angry. I do want to tell you very briefly about something you're going to hear about. Matt and Dylan had no support. It's in a pitch. I'm just informing you. I'm reporting the news.

Matt and Dylan are attempting to start something, and I'm in support of it because I know who they are. They didn't have support as whistleblowers, but they're creating something. And I want to give you just 30 seconds, Matt maybe. Just tell them, take a minute, tell them what you're doing. You're not going to be able to find it for probably a couple weeks. When we put this out, I'll put links, but they're building this idea.

And I believe in it, because we need it. As you can tell, people need it. And then after that, we're going right into Q&A, so you get some questions, and then we're disappearing, man. And another way, what you're going to talk about is not for you and Dylan, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, so as I alluded to in our interview back in March, Dylan and I have started a nonprofit organization to basically be a whistleblower support organization through very harsh lessons we have learned that, aside from Jeremy and George, here. There is almost nobody in this space publicly we can trust. And any whistleblowers who are already out there or who are considering coming forward have very dire prospects coming out on their

own to the sort of established ecosystem that's there. So we are creating something by whistleblowers, for whistleblowers, to help these people and their families medically, financially, spiritually, emotionally and legally to just survive the process. It is hell. Very, very few people have your back. And worse than that, there are active efforts to solicit new whistleblowers to come forward because Dylan and I are inconvenient because we tell the truth.

And they want those whistleblowers to come forward for one of two reasons to these very particular groups. They want to gain technical intelligence through underhanded means, or they want political that they can use to push their messaging. That's fine, this is a free country, but we are going to do our best to make sure that the honest people, the true people,

have a place they can go that has their back and looks out only for them. And that's what we're starting. We're calling it Vanguard. We lead the way, and we want to support our warriors who also have led the way for truth. I'm going to try to be a little light now and a little levity.

We accomplished the mission. I wanted you to hear their voices now. hear their voices now you've done heard them but I will say it's really ironic to me that Matt and Dylan have to start something to protect other people when I get calls from very rich people who are saying oh we're putting together this whistleblower fund we're doing this you know we're gonna do this for everybody I go motherfuckers they need your help now they had to move houses now they don't have security now you're just trying to get more people to come to you to be whistleblower so you learn some shit or whatever you get out of that

Womp them and it's bullshit. It's bullshit guys. Support the people that need the help. They're not asking for a handout either, by the way. They're not doing that. All they're trying to do is set up a safe place for people to come forward and tell the fucking truth. So with that said, we're going to have a Q&A. But please, this is important to me. Ask a question of those guys, right? Ask a question. Don't tell me a story. Tell me later. I'll be here all day. Ask a question. Whoever has a good question, it's usually one sentence. Let's do. How much time we got?

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. How much time we got? 20 minutes. Wow, that's fun. How is the best way to do this? Can I just hand you this mic? Or can I hand somebody this mic and they go to the people that raise their hands and ask the question?

So it's really chill. Who wants to take the mic from me? Thank you. Please, somebody take the mic from me. I'm sick of my own voice. This question is for Matthew. And your last episode with guys, you said, you're not sure if this planet is our home anymore. On the last episode with Matt, Matthew, he said that he's not sure that this planet is our home anymore. I just came from across the way with Jack Fulay and he said over there that they have these beings and they're trying to communicate with them and build a language.

I just heard him say that so like whose planet is this going to be or who did it intend it's going to be for? I'm not going to lie to you and say that I know the answer to that but the answer that I can give you is that it's clear that we are sharing this planet.

Okay, sorry. Hi, thank you. Missile Man, great to see you, Dylan. Thanks for being here. So questions about to Senior Chief Wiggins and the whole panel wants to chime in. The United States Navy has such an interesting history of supporting the sailor out at sea

as opposed to the United States Air Force. It's much more adjacent to the intelligence community, much more adjacent to the national security infrastructure and policy. Do you see any way to help leverage protection for people who come from the private sector to report, for instance, Dylan Borland and others, to leverage the support system in the Navy by looking for whistleblowers within the Navy structure? Because politically and historically, they've been so much so supportive than the other branches and particularly private sector. Is there a way to leverage that and weaponize that? Alex, I think you should go, your Navy. You know, I'm Air Force. so all you, buddy.

Yeah, who y'all Navy. I think a good way would be to incorporate the systems that we have in the Navy for the other branches to include the government as well. I think it would be as simple, to me I say simple, but as simple as having someone from the different branches

look at the instructions and the way in which we have our reporting procedures and just carbon copy it and utilize and set up a program or an office within side of the Air Force Army, etc. to be able to be able to do exactly what the Navy does. Copy the same thing for the government itself if there are those in the civilian sector doing the same. Before the next question, I just want

to say, our friend John Gutierrez, aka Guts, was the first active Navy person to ever come on weaponized. It was the second episode. You should all watch it. There was a huge risk, got a big family. I just want to do a shout-out to Guts because he was here one year with this family right now Guts is on deployment he's on the USS Abraham they're delayed very very long they're blowing up their food they're sending drones to go blow up parts of the ship I just want to say shout out to Guts we love you we're thinking about you and he's been out a long time love you Gus hey first thanks to all you guys for what you're doing my question is

you said that there are whistleblowers who haven't gone public yet that you are aware of and I'm assuming you're all in touch with them No, don't make assumptions. They're not all in touch with them. Do you know if they're already being messed with, and that's why they're not coming forward? Yes. And is there anything that you guys or even us could do to help them?

No. Okay. But hold on, hold on. He should answer that. But yes, actually. Now that you know, tell people. We have an army of people that want to come forward. tell people they're being fucked with, tell people what you heard today, this is truth.

Dylan? Yeah, I think this is what Matt I want to set up, is basically some sort of preemptive, also restitution fund until we get accountability by our government, because our government should be helping us out for the crimes they committed against all of us in humanity. So that is what we're trying to do. Thanks, guys. My question is for Matt. How do you compare the images and video that the Department of War have released to the images

and video within the Immaculate Constellation Program. Like, is there a huge fidelity difference where if you saw what you've seen would be like obvious and indisputable or is it still kind of the same, similar? So I'm going to be careful with that one. You know, in the Department of State approved field report that I

submitted to Congress, you know, some incidents are described. I think I would refer you to the level of detail written down in that report for what was visible. Are we over hearings, by the way, because I've heard a couple of Congress before my friends say, we don't need to hear anymore from whistleblowers, you know, we need the goods, you know, so we got some videos. There are people, I think, should testify under oath with

their hand up and have that chance because then you will know, because they've done it behind closed doors and skiffs with threatening of imprisonment, but for you to trust them, if they put their hand to God and country and Congress and tell you what they know, don't you think that's still important to hold hearings with whistleblowers or no? Tell me, yes or no? Okay, so now Congress, say it really loud. Hey, Congress, it's still important to people, right? Okay, so they represent you. So I bet we're going to have more fucking hearings after the hear of that. Next question. Matt should testify. Guys, thank you for the guts that you show. Dillon, question for you. I don't really know what it is you supposedly saw. Can you please tell us the information that you may

have or at least an overview? Thank you. Well, I mean, so I saw an approximate 100-foot equilateral triangle take off near the NASA hangar at Langley Air Force Base. Pretty simple. Watch a light pop up, fluid tune me. I can't tell if it manifests it. I can't tell you if it decloat from active camouflage stopped 100 feet in front of me and 100 feet above me. Equilateral triangle, large center white light, gold, fluid-like plasma coming over it. three minutes cell phone shut off, flash took off.

I estimate commercial jet level in seconds and phone reset. I could smell thunderstorms and I had sack electricity. As for the other things, I would really, really recommend you listen to last week's weaponized interview out of Oregon. I did not set Dylan up with those questions. I was told by the intelligence agency the name of a program that I already knew, I was told that he did four drawings. He did not.

They were trying to solicit from me that he ever walked past the line to me and George. He did not, and it's all documented. The only reason I could say it, and he can't confirm nor deny it, we called my lawyer and George's lawyer right before, is because ODI and I slipped, and I have it documented. So Matt wants to tell that story. Sorry, Dylan wants to tell that story. Matt has another story. Got it?

Next question, quick. How many minutes we got? Right, do you want to give the name? Project Rubik's Cube is one of many UFO programs. It's a very small one. But it's real and it's part of a program that deals mostly with UAP. But there is an entire almost constellation of UAP programs. Some deal with reverse engineering, some deal with

contact, some deal with stuff that's really strange. There's a whole constellation of programs and they're changing names all the time and they're different names to see what leaks. There's a lot of fake info out there. Okay, 11 minutes so I can hit them with questions. Hi guys. I'm incredibly empathetic to your employment situations. What can we do to help you get a job? You seem like you have lots of really great skill sets. I work in tech. We're always hiring. how can we help? How can all of these people who all work help you get a job

that's not at Home Depot? Can I see that? Go ahead, yes. Yeah, so I think one of the things we were floating and this is one of the other difficulties is, you know, we appreciate all of you and love all of you. Sorry. Men cry.

It's okay. I cry in a movie. I love you, buddy. Unfortunately, because of the, things that have happened you really can't trust anybody so one of the ideas we were floating was with this organization is a way to get resumes up there and go through whistleblowers and possible future whistleblowers to get out of the situations they're in but that's one of the ideas I'll give it over you

guys it's just it's hard to trust anybody because they have a lot of people infiltrating their life and we we workshop it and I have I have certain knowledge and access to information to help, but I'm not perfect with it. There's been a lot of attempts. It's called false friendship in the intelligence agencies. Sometimes it can last years. So someone will befriend me or these guys. Tell me they're from NSA because they know they have to tell me because I'll find out in one day.

And after four years when they tried to get me and George to solicit, I told that NSA person the truth, which is that I've known the whole time that you're the FBI liaison to the NSA. I like you, you fucker, but you try to get me. Now I have beers with you, but that's called false friendship. So what these guys are up against is it's hard to make new friends. It's hard to trust employment. It seems like she's saying she'll talk to you now. I mean, I don't think it hurts to go ahead and have that conversation,

even if you've got to worry about trust and verify later. But I mean, you're here when I have that conversation. Yeah, and just a comment. I've nothing against Home Depot. Right, right, right. In community college, that's where I work to support myself. You know, thank you. The next few months are going to be trying to get this organization off the ground.

And if part of that is a job board from people that we vet and trust, that would be wonderful. Nobody's looking for a handout. They're looking for a future. Yeah. Five minutes, ten minutes. Nine minutes. Nine minutes, yeah. So we have to be respectful and move everybody out quickly.

I just ask that we have to slip out the back door. We will be here all day, all of us. These guys, as you can see, Matt is very thoughtful. An esoteric, thoughtful Matt just cracked a fucking joke. And that is amazing. Because laughing helps you through this. We have this joke between me and Matt, the Brown family. I met his whole family, most his family, and the Corballer family, as I call my family,

we don't have the same humor, so we're like two computers not missing it. And like, Dylan, his mind is so fast, and that's why he was a great all-source analyst for a number of agencies. So we miss each other like this sometimes, and I'm like, Dylan, give me the straight news. But this bond, right? And we got the anchor, senior chief who was just fucking right there. Like, I look to him, where should we go? But this whole panel of people you have over here are highly skilled, highly qualified.

They're trying to make a change. They're trying to make a change because of what happened to them. And you can support that. I don't know how. It's not about giving a Patreon or giving them a thing. There's something bigger they're doing, and I'm excited to see. And I don't know if it's going to work out. Neither do they.

But you've got to try. And these guys are going to try. So we probably have five minutes, six minutes. I'm just trying to get out of here. You can do it. So the exit plan is this. We'll say hi real quick here. I think that's appropriate right here,

but then I have to move them. When I say move, please, let us move. We'll be here all day. Okay? Question with this lady right here, because you've got beautiful hair. Actually, I have the microphone back here. I think she's okay.

What's your name? Mary, go for it. Yeah, we're going to make it loud. We'll put it online. it'll be in social media and we will be talking. I'm going to share it. One more quick thing is, again, we need people who actually believe in helping. So nurses, doctors, psychiatrists, spouses have been through stuff, children.

So we're trying to figure out how to do this with no money and just the goodwill of all of you. So we'll be out there. Okay. So this is the very last. question because you've been a long time George said and then let these gentlemen have the last words to ask a question right I will my name is Ryan Wood I've been in the field for 40 years and I'm the curator of the majestic documents and manage all them and the majestic documents website the question for the panel anyone and thank you for your courage is have you ever heard in a

classified setting about Maj 12 or MJ 12 or anything like that it's yes or no invested in Maja, have you ever been, Majestic in any of them? It's yes or no let people think? No, but if anybody did, they would have to say can't confirm or deny. Okay, thank you. Same? Correct, yeah. Okay.

So I think they're telling you no, but if they could, they couldn't confirm or deny, it would have been a classified setting. So I want to thank you all for being here. You've heard what I've asked of you, which is just say hi, but let these guys go. I can't wait. to hear from you and your stories. That's why we're here. Next up, George is doing a George and

George thing, which is cool. And then we're going to screen Sleeping Dog with a really cool pen on the director's going to talk, not me, the director. Thank you so much, you guys.