WEAPONIZED with Jeremy Corbell & George Knapp - UFO Gatekeepers - Rep. Luna, Burchett & Burlison Reveal A Plan To Fight Back

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

Opponents of UFO/UAP transparency have worked overtime to make life miserable for members of Congress who have demanded answers and honesty. Those House members who have been at the forefront of efforts to get straight answers about hidden programs and unauthorized spending have encountered fierce opposition, warnings to back off, and a brick wall of outrageous secrecy from agencies they are constitutionally authorized to oversee. Is the all-too-brief era of public hearings into UFO truth finished? Those murky agencies - the architects of the secrecy - certainly hope so. Three of the principal champions for UAP transparency in the House admit that more hearings into UFO matters are unlikely to produce the breakthroughs the public expects. But if future hearings are off the table, what’s next? In this extraordinary episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are honored to speak with three transparency warriors - Representatives Anna Paulina Luna, Tim Burchett, and Eric Burlison - to hear about the obstacles they’ve faced, why they’ve been thwarted in their efforts to speak with first-hand witnesses, surreptitious intimidation tactics, veiled threats, the possibility of presidential disclosure, and their under-the-radar plans for moving forward. As Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Chairman of the Task Force on Government Secrets, put it: “Why are they blocking us if it’s not real?” Good question. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A PATIENT SEVENTEEN https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In this week's episode of Weaponized... You know, it's been interesting is Arrow from the Gecko has not been an honest broker with Congress. The sightings are over the ocean and then you do the little more research and a lot of these areas are deep, deep water areas. We have five or six of those. Look, I just want to know what we're spending a billion dollars on, the bottom line. I got one group saying they don't exist in the department, other groups say they do exist. Burles and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about. What the hell is going on?

The intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to, some kind of entities. James Lekatsky came to you with government possession of H-I craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the veracity of that claim? He can't tell us, but maybe he can tell you, where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down? Can you go see it? Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAPSAP Federation? Glenn Gaffney, CIA? Can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about, this UFO transfer that's now recorded in history?

Can you go after him, you guys? This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Knapp. I'm here in the deep, deep cluttered bunker in Las Vegas because explosions might be happening today, Jeremy, where are you? I'm in my same non-disclos location. So, you know, since 2017.

the New York Times story that blew things wide open, exposed the existence of secret government programs, ATIP was the one they named AASAP we learned about later. Members of Congress have perked up their ears and have become interested in the UFO-UAP issue. At first, it was very quietly. They did behind-closed doors briefings from military folks. We know some of the people who delivered those briefings, and then they become more open about their interest in it. We now had several things. hearings. You know, 50 years, UFOs didn't get a peep on Capitol Hill. Now we've had several hearings. And we were at the last couple of them, the last one in September, an extraordinary panel of witnesses. And then I was one of them too, but I'm not all that extraordinary. Having investigated this

issue for so many years, what is the long game with respect to disclosure of this information to the public? Well, the secret's out. I mean, how many videos have there been already? You know, videos that are leaked from within the military and intelligence agencies and contractors and censor platforms that's out there. But they have the high ground, the people that don't want us to take it seriously, dismiss it, discredit the witnesses, come up with a cover story. I mean, it's been out there a long time. The public senses that it's real, and the people in authority dismiss them. It's a game that's been going on a long time, and I don't think they're ever going to release it. I think that there's an attitude among the people that have been involved in this

for a long time that the public doesn't deserve to know and that the public probably can't handle it, but they can. But, you know, I think members of Congress that we know are growing a little bit indecisive about what the future of the hearings might be. They're frustrated. They've been blocked. They are subjected to ridicule. They can't get the witnesses they want. Information of DOW and CIA and others are saying they can't find it. They don't have it. And so, I think they're a little bit frustrated, and there have even been some talk about no more hearings at all. So, you know, we wanted to hear it from the horse's mouth, but it's impossible to get, say, an interview with the three real workhorses on this issue in the house. Representative Luna from Florida, Representative Burchett from Tennessee, Representative Burleson from Missouri, they're out there every day, beating the bushes.

pounding the pavement, trying to get to the bottom of these things, talking to witnesses, and trying to really achieve something like transparency. Of course, it would be seemingly impossible to get all three of them in an interview at the same time, right? Yeah, that would be wild. They'd be very hard to do. They're super busy, but I'm feeling lucky, George. So today, that's what we've got going. All three of them are joining us to talk about UFOs where things stand and where they might head

in the future. And we, you know, we understand their frustrations because we face the same kind of thing ourselves. We're not members of Congress, obviously, but we face the same thing and uphill battle pretty much every step of the way. I mean, I feel like I have a job with Congress from the very first hearing. You know, they made a call to find out what they didn't know. And bam, I worked each time, months at a time with them just doing hundreds of calls and videos and helping do vetting. So I feel like I've worked a lot with them. I really trust these people. First was just me and Birchit kind of getting our hands dirty, but now with the new task force. So this is the House Oversight Committee's task force on the declassification of

federal secrets. And Rep Luna is the head of that. But she really wanted the others to be with us because they do a lot of works. Rep Burleson and Rep. Bertchip, you know, look, as you said, we hadn't had hearings in over 50 years. I don't think there's a fatigue on hearings. I want to kind of jump in with my opinion on that, I do hear them saying that they've had a lot of great witnesses, but I do know that they're getting blocked when it has to do with evidence, with footage. They've asked for access to the UAP archives of footage, which we know exists. You and I have been exposed to a lot of that, and they are being denied access, that, and subpoena power. They haven't subpoenaed anybody yet.

I mean, they've been the champions for disclosure, but the question is, what's the next step? forward. Is it just having more people, witnesses telling them go look here, go look there? No. The next step is evidence. It's action taken on what they've already heard from people. You drop so many bombs, specific names. You gave them names of gatekeepers of the UFO programs. They have some work to do where they have to kick open some doors. And I feel like they want to do it. And I feel like they will do it. But I think what you're feeling is something that we felt a little bit of fatigue. Like, you have to kick indoors to make progress on this topic. Yeah.

Well, you know, the impossible has been achieved. We've got all three of those members joining us today for weaponized. And let's hear what they have to say. You guys are considered the champions of disclosure, like it or not with the public. You've been breaking the mold. recently we've had UFO hearings again for the first time in 50 years and Rep Luna with your House Oversight Committee's Task Force on the declassification of federal secrets. You held for the first time under that committee the last UFO or UAP hearing. So I just wanted to hear from each of you

you've heard a lot of testimony now. You've gotten a lot of leads. When you've gone to federal agencies, have you received any pushback or anything where they've stopped you from obtaining information that you've lawfully asked for. Yeah, I think that what was so neat about the last hearing is that Burleson had some footage dead drop to him. Obviously, that was footage that they did not want to show the American people and they didn't even really want to show Congress. And so even in following up on that, you know, it's one thing to have hearings where you have witness testimony and that is all valid. We can confirm the credibility of the witnesses, et cetera. But when you actually have footage, like physical evidence, and that's a huge deal. And I know Representative Birch's

just joined us. So Burchett, we just actually kicked off the podcast, but I was telling him just about the first hearing that we had. And long story short, you know, we were basically after that pretty aggressive on following up with specifically the Department of War in one area of particular where we were told that a lot of this footage would be housed. And of course, I'll let the other representatives tell you what happened. And I'm sure you can already assume, but we were denied access. So, you know, my thing is this. Look, if you're looking at this from a strictly scientific perspective or strictly defense perspective. And you have members of Congress that are asking to see footage and then they're constantly being denied it. Why go through all

of this orchestrated effort to block stonewall prevent information from coming out if it's not real? Representative Luna, I really appreciate you allowing Dina Titus, my representative from here in Nevada, to make the introduction to me back in that September hearing. It was a nice touch. I've been lobbying her for a while on these issues. Can you give us a general, overview, all three of you, starting with you, Representative Lundon, then Birchith and Berluson, about the future of hearings. Is there any point in going forward with hearings if you are denied information and even if it seems like almost Department of War and CIA are demonstrating contempt for Congress in refusing to give you information? And even if you could get them into a skiff,

they have rules where they can't really tell you what they know. Yeah, I feel like to a certain extent we've kind of hit the limitations and what we can do as a task course because remember they did not give me subpoena authority there's ways that we can try to kind of go around that and and i think we might make an attempt at that but even then so you know it's way different than having total subpoena authority you're relying on whether or not other members will weigh in on wanting to send a subpoena so that's kind of where we're at also too you know i don't want to waste the american people's time we can bring in more whistleblowers but i want to bring them evidence and so we've asked pretty directly to A, get access to the evidence that is, you know, in existence that we know about.

And then also to, and by evidence, I mean, whether it's footage, film, photos, et cetera. And then also, too, though, we'd like that information released to the American people. So I don't know that it would necessarily be conducive to do another hearing if we don't have the evidence that we want to present to the American people. And so I, although I'm one person in this task force, and so I do win heavily on my colleagues, and so I'll kick it to Birch it. Yeah, before Representative Birch's answers, I want to lead this into that. I was really impressed when we saw the footage that you guys obtained.

So George and I have obtained a lot. We've been looking to see what's safe to put out. That was something when we were going to testify before me and George, which we had certain assets the American public should see. So your focus seems now on the evidence and that footage is important. And that was a monumental moment when Rep Burleson and your whole team put forward some footage. So, yeah, I guess kick it to Rep. hit now how you doing my friend um i would love to hear where you're at on all of this you've really

fought hard with all this where are we at well i'm i'm honored to be here with you especially with representing luna and representative burleson they've really been in the trenches with me i i get patted on the back a lot just because you know my incredible good looks i guess puts me at the spotlight but these two really really asked the tough questions in the closed door meetings and they push it and they pushed the envelope, which they should. I'm completely discouraged, as always, with this thing as I was. The very first time we met, Jeremy, and George, thank you, brother. I've always admired your journalistic integrity.

Back when I was a, I hate to say, this always makes people feel bad. Back when I was a kid, I watched you, and, you know, in Area 51 and all the rest of it. It's just, you know, when Jeremy and I first contacted each other, said that he was going to bring you along. I was a little star struck as you meant. I mean, I've hung out with Kid Rock, so there you go. That tells you anything. And I would, we'll tell you, my dad would be very impressed with your office right there. My dad used to have a thing that said a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind. So obviously your, your mental capacity is very well. As I sit here at the clean desk. Yeah. Anyway, now, until we can get some good,

You know, I've said this many times until either somebody walks out of a lab with something undeniable proof and we can get it on YouTube before they're suicided or the President of the United States comes to it. Everybody says, well, President Trump ran on this. Not really. It's kind of like Epstein stuff. They just asked him in a press conference once or twice about it. And he said, yeah, we're going to, well, sure, well, let's release it. And now somebody's obviously got his ear. and we need to get to it.

I trust Trump. I think he'll do the right thing. But until we get to that level, I think we're kind of spinning our wheels. I love to get people to come testify, but we get diminishing returns, as you all know. I mean, you all help spearhead our very first hearing, which was incredible.

I mean, you know, they said it was the largest attended hearing in over 10 years. And so, and we broke some ground there, but I'm afraid we're just breaking the same goddamn ground. right now and we've got it and with AI I think we're getting set up a lot with stuff not from you guys but from some others that just get you know they want to get a press release and they're going to put something out and dad gum it it looks great to me I was looking at something this morning and I thought well if that's real that's it but you know it's always it's this AI stuff if I don't see it

with my own two dadgum eyes I don't believe it anyway now representative Burleson uh you do you do you feel frustrated by DOW and CIA and those agencies that they have contempt for Congress? And do you have something in mind that might make future hearings more productive? Yeah, I appreciate the question. I think that we've had some amazing people come forward so far. I don't know how we top the, you know, the level of credibility of the witnesses that have already come forward. that being said if we have witnesses that have the smoking gun in their hands

or have some really some different very compelling evidence then I think that that would warrant having another hearing. Outside of that, we have a long list that we've been accumulating over the last year and a half or more of people that we need to talk to.

And that I think that if we were to call them to the hearing, these are people that would either plead the fifth or say that they can't talk because we're not a secure set. So it would be very pointless to do her. So I think that as far as our investigation going forward for the time being, the only way to get to maybe the bottom of some answers is to do so through a subpoena process so that we can give those witnesses cover and then bring them into a secure subsidy. And look, we have the authority if you know as you seen i demonstrated very well in the committee hearing

a willingness to defy um you know norms and release to the public information you know a video and so um and so i think that the end of the day if we know what we're doing is for the for the best for the american people you know that the three of us are going to do that um and so i think that that's if that answers your question that's kind of where the investigation is going from here. We have a list of also names of files that we're going to be requesting that we have

people have tipped us off these files exist. So, you know, we'll see if they turn us down on that as well. Rep. Rappalo, you need subpoena power, right? To make this happen, your committee needs subpoena power. I've always wondered

if we were given this committee, the task force, they said, you want to investigate UFO? fine. Here you also got JFK, RFK, MLK, Epstein files like they were giving you enough rope to fail at a limited time frame. You took the challenge on anyway. Yeah. Well, Epstein's now a full committee hearing. So that's now purview and jurisdiction of all of oversight just because it's such an immense thing. By the way, for an update on that, we're still winning on a list of names from the victim. So we've been following up weekly with the staff and we haven't gotten anything yet

just for a quick update on that. But yeah, aside from that, I mean, the JFK stuff, we found some significant findings. I mean, we don't have the smoking gun per se, but we have more than enough to say that the U.S. government was absolutely involved without a question of a doubt. And so we will actually have a final report coming out on that. But specifically to the subpoena authorities, really how the task force has really been functioning, it's all on personal relationships. And so we have gotten some. And I don't want to say that the entire federal government is against what we're doing because the fact is that there are certain directors that aren't, that are very much so supportive of what we're doing. And we have had a lot of open

communication sometimes directly, and maybe not necessarily with the staff than like the under, the lower level stuff, but definitely at the director level. And they've been supportive of it. So I think that, you know, the difference between this administration, the last administration's, the last administration didn't even pick up the phone. This administration's picking up the phone. And we are getting some forward momentum. Part of the reason why I said, you know, we wanted to specifically declassify, at least declassify the stuff that we've seen. I think that the American people deserve to see that. And, you know, if they think that it's a spy balloon, if they think that it's, you know, a Chinese drone, let them decide. But definitely don't keep it classified for no reason.

And I think that that would answer a lot of questions. Certainly, you know, I came in looking at this to see what evidence we can be shown. When I'm being told as an investigator, you're being denied evidence. Well, what do you think that says? So it's definitely, it has been an interesting process. But I think moving forward, you know, we're going to continue to push on our end. And to answer your question, we can do other things, which we might try to do depending on if, you know, if we think it's going to be successful or not, to kind of work around not having subpoena authority. But again, you know, they gave me the task force because they know that I know the rules. And so we're figuring out ways to make it work. I feel like McGiver kind of from a parliamentary

standpoint if he is in who McGuiver is so yeah can I could I say something you know yes something I think needs to be addressed is I saw this morning Elon Musk it said that if he thought any of these were you know UFOs were from

out of this world and there's fancier words being used but but he said you know from what he'd seen within his SpaceX stuff that he thinks it's all domestic or whatever it's all from this earth and that that that goes back to our point that these departments by design are so compartmentalized.

And I was talking to a lady from NASA last night at a Christmas party. And she was asking me if I thought the UFOs were real. And I said, ma'am, you have defined the problem because you all have been so compartmentalized that, you know, and Luna and Burleson, I suspect will agree with this if they don't, don't embarrass me here on that. podcast. But, you know, within departments, I mean, we'll have people tell us, yes, they exist. This is what we're seeing. And then another one say, no, we don't have any evidence of that. And it's just so compartmentalized by design to keep us off the track. You'd think they'd get some unified front and they'd have some blue ribbon committee or something. But the reality is, it's just,

you've got some people that are trying to control. And that's what Washington is all about. its control, it's power, it's money. And if you can figure it all that out, that's what the problem, where the problem lies, I think, in a lot of this, because when I sit in a meeting with these guys, and we've all been in the skiff, and we've all talked to pilots, and we've talked to whistleblowers,

and then you talk to somebody else in that, and they say, no, I don't know what they're even talking about. You talk to our own intelligence committee, and you'll have members say, wow, this is something going on. And another one will say, I don't believe it. this we don't we haven't seen any evidence of this so anyway i think that that's really part of the

problem is that we don't have a group that's actually spearheading this and they're all chasing available tax dollars because until america came out until people like yourself just came forward you know and then we did the polling and 55% of the country something else is going on now everybody's UFO crazy and these departments are coming to us thinking they're going to get more funding, not that they believe anything's going on. So that's, that didn't lie, pardon, problem. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump in on you. I'm not supposed to be drinking. No, no. This is an interview of you, man. I want to nip that in the bud. I've heard that so much. And I think it does a disservice when people like Musk talk about it that way. We know these

are not our black projects. If you talk to the pilots from the TikTok episodes, right, there are protocols for black budget when you see them. We spent so many resources investigating who's these are, whose these were. We're not sending our own craft up over nuclear sites, and UFOs go back into history so far. That's a whitewash of the truth when people start saying, these are

our black projects, maybe one or two. But when we're talking about the vast majority of what looks like a reconnaissance mission, man, we have a real problem here. And if we're obfuscating by saying, oh, these are just ours, then we're missing the point. I want to go back to footage real quick. Arrow just released on their site

some three more images of UAP. It's hilarious. I have seen, George Knapp has seen, we've obtained better footage and Rep Burleson, we should talk about that, talking about having people testify with evidence. We've offered that before. That's something George and I could talk to you about.

Physical, visual, evidence, but under Aeros releases, they said the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis. So they put out three videos that they're not even going to investigate because they're unremarkable.

Why did they put them out when you and your team were able to put out in this last hearing a great piece of footage? Have you heard more about that footage since you put it since you guys put it out? No. And I just so you guys know, I have to leave actually in a few minutes. I'll answer this and I'm going to hop off and then kick it to Burleson and birch it. You know, it's been interesting is Arrow from the get-go has not been an honest broker with

Congress. That's been my opinion. I don't think we need to keep funding Arrow. I think that they are a complete, whatever they are doing, unacceptable. But I also can tell you, we've seen some stuff that I want to get declassified that you just can't explain. And to say and to put out certain information yet deny Congress access, we have the letter where they straight have denied out of the Department of War where this footage is housed. That's even the ability to see it, even in a skiff, that's a problem. It's a problem for a number of things.

even let's say, let's play devil's advocate, let's say that this was technology from a foreign government. Don't you think you might want to inform Congress, especially the oversight bodies of Congress, to ensure that these things are legitimate? And so we have to be careful because, you know, the task force is valid and they've tried on a number of occasions, not just with this, but other things. You know, we get people that talk to us all the time, giving us, you know, BS stories. But then we have the real legitimate ones that come forward. My concern is that if we put out then information that is wrong, then they have a reason to take the task for. So it's a delicate bounce of things. But I do appreciate my colleagues and I call Representative Burchett and Burleson my co-chairs on this

topic. So I'm going to kick it to my co-chairs. Thanks for all you guys are doing. And we'll be in touch soon. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Rep Luna. Yeah. You know, I think, I think Arrow is, I think they're showing their work, if you will. They're kind of in a predicament where they, I don't think that they're getting the access that they need. That's the sense that I get when I talk to the people on the arrow that they're kind of getting stonewalled at some aspects. But I think that what they're attempting to do by releasing these photos of these videos that they just recently released.

And I'm not speaking for them. I'm just saying, like, in this world, for example, we had the Lou Elizondo image that somebody gave to him, he even you know couched it that it wasn't that he hadn't had time to look at it at this this photo of the UFO and really it wasn't UFO is a there's a geological feature of an agriculture area where there's two disc shape you know fields make it make the appearance of a floating UFO if you guys remember that photo well that it's good that that's out there that people know that's debunked right and the more I think the arrow can do to take any kind of photos or videos that start entering into the mainstream and debunk the ones that

truly need to be debunked, then we can move on. So to me, it's like finding a needle in haystack. It's going to be a lot easier to find the needles if you start separating the parts of the hay that you know or not a needle,

if that makes sense. So I think I think that at the end of the day, we have to, we have to work with agencies like Arrow, but also know that, and at the end of the day, like, I don't know that I can trust anybody up here, anybody in this town. So you just, you just kind of have to have to know that going into it. You released this video during the September hearing, and it was a bomb going off. Have you had feedback from the Department of War or technical folks who may have worked with

the kinds of sensors that picked that up who said, hey, here's what that is, and tried to explain it or has it been the opposite of that? It's that. The only thing I can say is I can't talk about it. Rep. So, you know, you've been fighting tooth and nail on this topic, and I know it gets frustrating sometimes. Recently, you've been talking about how you were informed of underwater bases and that

kind of thing. Did you find when you were informed about that, that it came from somebody credible? And is that something that's actionable? Yeah, I did, actually. and it's funny how when these things come out, as I know you, Jeremy and you, Georgia, both and two, Eric, or Representative Burles, excuse me, he's my buddy, he's a great friend. I'm probably close to half a dozen people in Washington

that I'd actually trust, and Eric happens to be one of them. I catch you, Bertrand. I don't need any compliments, dude. I'm good. You're the man. You're steady, and you study the things, and you come to a rational conclusion. I tend to sometimes get a little emotional and jump at some of this stuff, get a little ticked off.

But yeah, you know, I've talked to several people, and just the numbers alone when you're seeing that the sightings are over the ocean, and then you do a little more research, and a lot of these areas are deep water areas. We have five or six of those. I'm not up. I don't know enough about the ocean, obviously. As they've stated many times, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do this ocean floor. But these things are happening over deep water areas, and we have testimony, and we have people telling us they've got on sonar something big as a dadgum football field going 200 miles an hour under the water. I mean, you know, I've shoot guns occasionally, but if you shoot, if I'm sitting at the end of the pool, say I've got a 45 and I got a 30-foot pool and I shoot it, it won't even probably make it to the wall against, you know, the wall of the other side of the pool underway.

I mean, you know, this is something that we don't understand, and yet we've continuously hid this stuff and not put it out to the public. And there's got to be a reason for it. And I don't think it's ours because we can put something around 30, maybe 40 miles an hour underwater. We probably have something a little faster. This is something exponentially faster than what we can understand. And it's obviously not some animal. I mean, a megalodon wasn't even. been big as a football field.

You can look up with a, that's a prehistoric shark. All they have is a tooth of it. They don't have anything else. But, you know, that's evolution, I guess. That's scientists. I don't know. But anyway, yeah, and I've talked to too many people. And it just seems to me that with the science that we have

in our limited brains capability, that something traveling light years is just beyond our grass. so to me it makes more sense that if there is something out there that they would have to be something based in an area now where the heck are they going to base it they're not going to base it in Knoxville tennessee or new york city or i mean even in the amazon because it means it was satellite capabilities but these deep just stand the reason that deep water would be where it was at if we had this kind of capabilities i'm just talking statistics and then i've talked to the in an admiral who stood right here in my office i remember right before he went up that door which was kind of unusual because you guys been in my office everybody walks in the regular door but he wanted to go out the side door and then as i was walking him out he wanted to avoid anybody he said to me just looked at me straight in the eye and said kim these things are real but i've had other since after i've come out with this you know because people will openly mock me or my friend matt gates had me on

and he, I think he shares a similar belief, and he was asking me about it. And I said, look, I'm not saying it's the truth. I'm just saying that this is statistically where this stuff has happened. So immediately what happens is guys like me and Burleson get made fun of when we come forward with something like this. But here I am at a goddamn Christmas party last night. Nobody asked me about Obamacare.

Nobody asked me about the border. Three people. three people and these are educated people come up to me and say hey brother what's the story on these UFOs or they say I'm a believer I saw something I can't explain it and they say thank you I'm walking through the dadgum airport Washington DC and this rather large man walks past me

it's kind of unusual because he was carrying a thought it was a volleyball but it was a soccer ball obviously I didn't play either one of those I play football but probably due to the head injuries that's why I'm sitting here talking to you all like an abling idiot but and I'll never get this it was three weeks ago at the Washington airport and he was going the opposite direction and he said and I just thought that's kind of unusual I didn't think much of it and I heard somebody yell Congressman Burchett Carnes Burgett and I have an inner ear

problem so sometimes those voices I think are inside my head and I turn and this rather large man walks up to me and says and i i won't say what department he worked for but he was in the intelligence and he looked at me straight in the eye and said are they real and i said i believe they are he said m that gum it i knew it and uh and you know we had a conversation it was just you know it was just a random deal so america's hungry for this and thank you Thank you guys, both y'all. You too, Eric, but these two guys have been, they're pioneers in this thing. They've been carrying the water on this forever.

Because America wants to know the truth, and I think we deserve to know the truth. Again, I've been in many conversations with people, and they start on me, you know, Little Green Men, blah, blah, blah, flying saucers, whatever, birch it, you've been probed or something. You know, just something smart, Alec. And I said, look, I just want to know what we're spending a billion dollars on, the bottom line. I got one group saying they don't exist in the department, and other groups say they do exist. Burroughs and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about.

What the hell is going on? And where's our dadgum money going to? And that's what we need. And that's why nobody trusts government. Not just the UFO issue, but the whole thing. Because we are arrogant and we think we know better. The Bible talks about that and says, professing yourself to be wise, you became a fool.

that gun this town's run by fools because we need to trust the American public because I mean these are educated people coming up to me dude there's not all just people like me these are heavily educated folks that are talking about this stuff so sorry I heard your but it really gets to be ticked off

and you guys have been great and thank you brisson because that gum you came at this thing and wide open and you know and and you've been some things have been to school to you that have, you know, that you, you, you, maybe at the time didn't, didn't fully grasp

it all, but dad gum, you got it now. And I appreciate you, brother, because you're not one of those that turns on you. You don't turn and run. So thank you, brother. Representative Birch, we heard you say to, in another interview, that you pretty much know where at least five of these bases are and that you know why they're in that spot. Is it something beyond it's deep and it's hidden? Or is there some other reason where these U.S.O. bases might be where you believe they are?

I think it's deep, it's hidden. And I think some people know about it. If in fact they exist, I think they do. And I, you know, the more you get into this thing, the more the people come to you. And I'm, as I stated, I'm a Christian.

I'm not a very good one. and people talk about it being demonic and that back and forth and how it could upset the balance of Christianity and stuff. And I just don't believe that, dude. I think Genesis 1, God created the heavens and the earth. First chapter of Ezekiel. Ezekiel saw the wheel, a wheel within a wheel. And I just, I think it's, honestly, do you think we're the best God can do?

And I think there's some people that get it. and either they're not allowed to talk or they've been silenced. And that's why they discredit people like me and Burleson or try to. The two of you get hammered with the same kind of stuff that Jeremy and I get slapped with pretty much every day. And it kind of rolls off our backs after a while. Has anyone taken it further where they want to use it as an issue in upcoming elections for either or both of it? Yeah, they have. They've used it against me.

And it's more of a whisper campaign and a dark money kind of thing. for me anyway, and it affects my ability to raise money. I don't raise a lot of money, and that's how they kill you off up here as they cut your... I'm not able to raise the money that a lot of my colleagues do. But go ahead, Eric, I'm sorry. No, I've had a reporter who I think is an absolutely, has demonstrated that he's a disgusting person,

actually try to recruit my opponents. So on social media, if we're on over this topic, if that gives you an idea, I'm not afraid of that, but it, you know, there's certainly, we do draw some attention,

some negative attention. Has anyone come to you and said, look, there's a good reason this has been a secret for so long. You know, we've had other presidents have expressed interest in it, other members at Congress over the decades.

There seems to be something that they use at the end, to tell people like you guys, this is why we can't spill the beans on this topic. I've had that deep throat moment, you know, the moment where the Nixon thing where they come to you in an area, you know, and I always heard,

they always use somebody you know that's close to you. And I've had that moment. I was in the tunnel. Somebody that kind of shocked me, really, came up to me and said, Burchet, said, you really want to do this. You really want to upset this apple cart

and and said that how it could affect, you know, religion and all this other stuff. And I go back to Moskowitz. I don't know if you all remember. Jared Moskowitz in one of the opening press conferences. Jared, I'm jealous of his brain

because he's got to, I mean, we don't agree politically on a lot of, of things but his brain is incredible and he said you know this this this the arrogance of these people thinking that we can't handle this it's not their it's not their job to decide what we can handle he said it much more eloquent way but anyway but yeah i've had that moment and i've more than once but one particularly sticks in my head representative burleson same thing um i've had some amazing conversations. A lot of people that won't come forward are some of the most amazing conversations whether they have their story is that they worked for a contractor of a contractor of a

contractor, right? And then, and they, they were basically working in some way or, or touch this topic, encountered a UAP directly. I've, I've spoken to people who, who the intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to some kind of entities. That was a conversation in my office that I'll never forget. I'm not saying that I believe everybody that I talk to. But what I do believe is the people that come forward and the people that I do talk to, they believe what they've experienced.

And I don't think that at the end of the day, I take, that's why I'll meet with anybody, pretty much, anybody. And when you get involved in this topic, you guys know this, there's so many factions in the UAP community that you'll have people say, well, you can't talk to that person, you can't trust them and they're, you know, X, Y, C. I don't, that's not my, that's not the way I operate. I will talk to you.

I'm not, because, you, you can't, because, And if somebody has a beef with another person, I'm not going to, I don't have the beef, like, right, with the other person. So I'm going to talk to him. And I'm going to listen. I'm going to take them seriously. But I'm also going to, I'm going to try to, like, keep that information and kind of ascertain what is, what can you truly investigate to verify what they're saying. And then what's, what's the truth, right? And so I do believe that a lot of people coming forward are true patriots.

and they have seen something that they can't explain. Now, I do think that sometimes people do jump to conclusions often. And I've come to the conclusion that if this is real, if it truly is UAP, it's probably, and we all have to recognize this, that 99.9% of the photos, the videos, the interactions people have are probably not something extraterrestrial. it doesn't mean that maybe, just maybe that 1% truly is. But I think that we have to recognize the fact that I think Elon Musk was probably right in that if aliens do exist, they're pretty subtle. I think that they're pretty good at hiding themselves.

Yeah. Yeah. Tim, Representative Burchett, you've made public statements that you're trying to get 15 minutes with the president to talk to him and to encourage him to go ahead and spill the beans. I'd like to hear from both you. what percentage you would give on the likelihood of that happening? Because as you both know, he's had briefings before. He's heard from our best pilots. He said, yeah, these are brilliant guys, but yeah, I don't really believe it.

Well, how do you think? 100%. If I get 15 minutes with him, I'm going to talk to him about it. What he'll do is a Trumpism is what he'll do. I think we're going to come about the truth. There are one of two ways. It's going to be outside of the government. The government is, I don't believe that the Intel agency or the Pentagon

is going to actually come forward with the evidence. It's going to have to take an executive action by the president, or the other way that it could happen is completely outside of this government, whether it's private individual or another country. I think that that's probably this scenario, because we just have too much pushback from within our established, in a military industrial complex. I've got a question for you.

Rep Burleson. So I remember when you showed the footage that you were going to put out in the hearing. And what was great was George and I had already been exposed to that video. We were able to confirm it. If you remember, I got you on the phone with somebody later that night who was a Navy officer who was able to affirm to you that that is an actual, you know, on a server, a UAP being fired out to the best of their knowledge. So you've really put yourself out there. You fought hard to get this information forward. I just want to recognize a few things you've done. In the last hearing, you encouraged people to read the Immaculate Constellation Report by Matthew Brown.

You said that during the hearing. I really appreciate that. I think it's very important. It takes such great courage to come forward. And we acknowledge that. And I hope that you see that we are taking that seriously. And so very thankful for what you're doing today. I'm also very thankful for previous witnesses that have come forward.

I see Matthew Brown in the audience. He courageously stepped forward and was as a witness. I encourage everybody to look and seek his testimony. You also entered into congressional record. These words will ring for me. You said, I'm entering Lakatsky's claim for the record regarding the DIA's assessment of non-human craft entry and materials. That was based on George's in my interview with Dr. Lackackackackackacki where he says, we have,

the government has a UFO. he ran the UFO program. Dr. James Lakatsky came on our show. He ran the UFO program for the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he admitted on our show that they breached the hole of a UFO in government possession. You reported James Lakatsky came to you with government possession of NHI craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the veracity of that claim?

Dr. Lakatsky is an honorable man who served most, of his career with the DIA, a very trusted, high-level rocket scientist and intelligence analyst who inspired the OSAP program, as I said earlier. He said this craft, we had managed to get inside of it. It had no wings, no rotor, no tail. It had no fuel, no fuel tanks. They didn't know how it flew or how it was operated. It clearly looked like it was aerodynamic, but he would not go further. He's a by-the-book guy, and until he gets clearance to say, more, about that. I don't think we're going to hear much more, but it's not ours. It wasn't ours.

We didn't make it. We didn't know who made it and how it was built and how it operated. We've got at least one. And I don't know. I think that's enough confirmation that we do have recovered discs and material. And you put that in congressional record. Do you have a way that you can find out where is it? He can't tell us. But maybe he can tell you, where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down. Can you go see it? You know, that's an interesting question. When it came to Lakatsky, and I watched his interview that he did with you guys. And I, here's, here's what my response to him is, because he was frustrated that we had reached out to him. But he also kind of, he also admitted that, which is what I was told. And the reason why we haven't reached out to him is that he's not going

to tell us anything that's not in his books. Well, hold on, hold on. You did reach out to him. there have been three hearings. I reached out to them on behalf of Congress officially twice to say, and I had congressional members talk with him the hearing before the last one. He just forgot. But the point is, is that maybe with you guys in the correct environment, with the right

clearances, he can tell you where it is and you can just put this to bed and go find it. Yeah. And I remember that. I remember that he was one of the people that we attach to you to go to reach out to. And for those people that are kind of asking what why would we why how do that relationship work look we don't have all the contact information for all these people why repeat the work that you two have done in building these contacts and your networks and so you basically patriotically dedicated your time for free

helping us make contact and kind of coordinate some of those those witnesses and and um you know I had been told Lakatsky is probably not going to reveal anything that, you know, that he has already revealed. We, everybody, when I had talked to people, it seemed like it wasn't going to be new information. And therefore, to me, he wasn't as high of a priority. But to your point, I think getting him in a skiff and seeing if there's, if there's maybe any additional room for him to talk, that would be, it might be worthwhile to do that. I think he might. I mean, the last conversations that we've had, it seems like he's edging closer to the idea that under right circumstances, he would be willing to share information with Congress, which would be great.

I want to ask you this. You're both aware of the film Age of Disclosure. The one thing that was new to me in that film was the statement by James Clapper, former DNI, admitting that the U.S. Air Force has had an ongoing UFO investigation, a UFO program. In one sense, that doesn't describe That doesn't surprise me at all. But for him to say it on the record, that seems like that's something that Congress could pursue, should pursue, and Clapper needs to explain how this thing has been hidden, and the U.S. Air Force has to be called on the carpet to answer about that, right?

I agree. I agree 100%. When they make a public disclosure like that, we need to call them on the carpet. And I would hope that we would get to, would get to the bottom of it. You know, the problem you'll have is, of course, when they get the pressure and they get the visit

from the guys in the suits, they're going to say, they were, oh, I was misquoted. It was taken out of context, and, you know, the usual stuff, and the usual suspects will walk away, and then we're left scratching our heads on what the heck's going on again. And I would, and I warn folks, everybody, you know,

and Eric's seen this happen many times. When they put us in the skip with some, somebody and then they tell us something, you know, we're not allowed to talk about it. And then that's why a lot of times I won't go to classified briefings because I kind of know what they're going to say. And I'm afraid if it's something that I've already processed that I can't talk about it. And it's a trap. And the big boys use that on us.

Representative Burleson, that's, go ahead. I think we need, we need to have a conversation with Clapper. I think that it's going to have to be behind closed doors. There's no possible way that he will agree to come to a public hearing unless he's subpoenaed because of the other activity outside of UAP. That he's currently being investigated on by this administration, right? So I think that we will have to have that conversation in a private way. Just seems like the U.S. Air Force has been incredibly nonproductive and non-open, not very open, with Congress, with the public.

Ever since December of 2017, when the topic got a real jolt from the New York Times article, you know, the Navy has made it easier for pilots to report. The stigma has been decreased. We don't hear anything from the Air Force. You know, Project Blue Book supposedly ended their investigation, even though it wasn't much of investigation. it was more like a PR exercise, and they've been silent ever since. You know they've got data. You know they've got videos and evidence. And now that we know that there is an ongoing program,

seems like they need to come to Jesus and spill some beans. I agree. Yeah, I agree. I couldn't agree with you more. And I'm looking forward to that day, but I'd warn you, just like that big UFO report that's supposed to come out about, seven years ago or whatever and I said it's going to look like a they're going to and they're saying

it's coming out tomorrow it's going to be big and then I said it's not coming out tomorrow I said they'll pull it back when what they have was a real report that told some real facts that would have shook up the status quo and they pulled it back and I said it's going to look like somebody shot it with a 12 gauge of all the stuff redacted out of it and that's exactly what happened they pulled it back 30 days later and they brought out this bogus report and said absolutely nothing. And there we are. I think we need to hear also from the Department of Energy.

That seems to be an area that is not been, that there's not much oversight over the classified sections of the Department of Energy. And so I think that that's an area that there's some strings that we need to pull in there. So like closed door briefings or in skiffs or public, we all want public, But there are some things that got to be done behind closed doors.

In the last hearing, when George was testifying, I think it was Rep Burchett, who asked the question, or I think it was both of you, you know, who are some of the gatekeepers? And George actually named a name, Glenn Gaffney. Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAPSAP Federation? You mean specific people and contractors that have dealt with us and kept the secret? Specific individuals. Glenn Gaffney, CIA. Glenn Gaffney, CIA. Another question for you, Mr. Knapp.

He was the CIA's science and technology head at the time when Lockheed Martin was trying to take UAP material and transfer them over to the AASAP program, which was the true UFO program that received the $22 million called AOSAP. Dr. James Lekatsky ran that. So he gave you in testimony, George did, a name of one of the gatekeepers. Glenn Gaffney, CIA, science and technology at that time of the material transfer, of UFO materials from Lockheed to a government program called AllSap Under the DIA. Now that you know that, can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about, this UFO transfer that's now recorded in history?

Can you go after him, you guys? Right, error. Yeah, I think we can certainly reach out. He's one of the people that's on my list. Well, at this point, we've got, I mean, it's a long list. And we're, I'm going to have to go to the chairman, Chairman Comer and kind of ask him what, you know, and kind of given the list to say, this is, these are the people I need to talk to. Some of them we may have to subpoena. Are you willing to do that?

And that's what, that's where we are at this point. And so we've been gathering those names and those files. And that's, that's our next step. You also said that you and Birchard might use. I don't want to keep tripling it to him. The reason why I don't want to keep trickling it to him because I can't do that to the chairman, right? I really need to just bring it all at once as opposed to, you know, occupy his time on this. Right.

Like here are the subpoenas we need for this task force. And here's the whole list. We want to talk with them, not even in the public realm, but we need information because we've been given information by people that have testified that they have information for us. So I suspect you're going to do that. You also mentioned to me that you and rep Burchett might do something on the floor about subpoenas, hostile non-hostile. Did I get that right? It was a previous conversation we had.

Are you about to do something? That is a possibility that we could, that Tim and I and Anna can in our committee draw a motion to actually subpoena these. And it would be one motion. If that gives you an idea why we're building up to this, it would be one motion. And then just like what happened with the Epstein list, that was done by Tim, correct me if I'm wrong. You were the one that offered that motion to subpoena the Epstein files and to subpoena that information. And that was done in one motion by Tim in our oversight, one of the subcommittees, if I remember. So that's something that we can do.

I want to make sure that we don't. I'm going to talk to the chairman before we do that. And make it clear, I mean, we're going to do it. If you're, we will, we would prefer to not be, have to do it behind the chairman's back. If that makes it. One last question. Drones. So drones be devoling the public all over the East Coast over sensitive military installations, 17 nights in a row over Langley.

They shut down Wright Patterson. And then we were told, even though the FBI is investigating it and other agencies, oh, yeah, that's approved. No worries about that. Where are we on drones? Is that all explained? Did that mystery go away? Tim? I'm going to jump in.

I don't think so. You know, again, his dead gum UFOs, they keep saying they're ours, and then say, why are they risking multi-billion dollar aircraft and personnel?

I just don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. I think, I think if they come out and say what they know and what I think they know, I think they'll show that our, we let our guard down and that these things could easily

shut us down so they have to say that whatever the drones are I suspect they're more domestic than they are intergalactic but I because they stay in the air longer than anything that we have commercially available

and I think if we we said oh hey we got these things these things could shut us down then I think our enemies would realize what they, some more of our enemies could realize what they could do to us. That makes sense. Representative Burleson, same question. Yeah, I think that we have got to as a nation. I mean, we've been caught with our pants down, whether it was the Chinese spy balloon or the drones in

New Jersey. It's embarrassing that this country, we can't really defend ourselves. There were rumors in Capitol Hill, during the, that leading up to the inauguration, that there might be a drone attack. These were just rumors. And if you think about it, if you have an attack that's somewhat similar to what happened with when Ukraine launched hundreds of drones on the Russian military bases, if you can imagine a semi-truck launching hundreds of drones

at an inaugural platform that's, you know, where you have all members of Congress, the incoming president, the vice president, and nearly, and the richest people on the planet all on one stage, and you got to take down hundreds of drones, I think that we have got to figure this problem out. This is a real problem, whether it's that kind of threat or at an airport. I mean, God forbid somebody lies a drone into an engine of a plane.

We have got to figure out how to take these things down. I really want to say I really appreciate the way you guys are fighting for this and coordinating. I know you get your hands dirty. From the first hearing with Rep. Birchett, if you remember Rep. Burchett, we were pushing a boulder uphill, but I feel like we have to look back and say we've made a lot of progress since then. You've got all these great people you're working with now. You're all fighting for it. I've seen you in the trenches, Rep Burleson. I've seen you out there doing investigations too. And I really appreciate all of that. I can tell you, Intel agencies are scared of you. They are scared of Congress. And I offline, I'll explain that to

you, the direct interactions I've had, you guys have power. You have power to dig in and uncover some of this mystery about the UFOs. And I know intel agencies that want to keep this tight are worried. They're going to try to cut the legs out of what you can do. So you have a real opportunity right now, and I really appreciate you guys fighting for it. And I like that the team is building and growing. I think we're going to make progress if you guys keep fighting. I really just appreciate you. Thank you both so much for your time. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. So obviously what we heard from those three members of Congress, they are frustrated in not being able to get the information that they want. I mean, their constitutional duty is oversight. It's right there in the original founding documents that they're supposed to oversee the executive branch, the military CIA.

and it's clear that they're not getting cooperation from those and other agencies, and they want subpoena power to try to help get past that. Number two, we asked them about a U.S. Air Force program, which was the one big thing that I thought was especially newsworthy in the age of disclosure film, where James Clapper, this longtime intelligence, honcho, admits to the U.S. Air Force has been studying UFOs and collecting information, which, of course, we all suspected was going on. So it's not a surprise in that sense, but it is a surprise that he would admit it in public on the record.

And I think that they're probably going to want to dig into that. The third thing that comes out of this for me is they've actually kicked around the idea of not having more hearings because they're so frustrated. And until they get the powers they need to actually force people come forward and testify, whether they're friendly or unfriendly witnesses, I think maybe there might be giving it a pause for a while. I hope not. In my sense, even though they're not getting all that they want, the fact that they hold the hearings at all is so supremely important. It tells the public in an indirect, non-direct way, that this is an important issue. And it galvanizes public interest, and I would think it generates new witnesses. The one thing that we don't hear from them is whether or not they feel there's a need to evaluate disclosure.

if that's what it's going to be, to figure out whether it's really a good idea. Hal Putoff, our mutual friend, Dr. Hal Putoff, I've known him for almost 30 years. He's revealed in public a number of times in the past couple of years that he was part of an extraordinary experiment and a gathering back in the regime in the first administration of George H.W. Bush, father Bush. They gather all these big brainiacs together in D.C., gave them all this information and asked them to figure out whether disclosure is a good idea. And although how put off is generally in favor of the public knowing more, by the end, and as were some of the other people who were in that room, by the end, they looked at the checklist and figured

disclosure is not such a good idea. But maybe Congress should consider something like that before they take a step that is irreversible and figure out whether disclosure is a good idea and how far you might go. and revealing information to the public. Yeah, absolutely, man. And, you know, I don't think they're going to stop doing hearings. I think what they need to be doing is focusing on video evidence. They admitted video evidence, and in private calls with them,

they've admitted the video evidence is the key. They are being denied that video evidence. Well, I think we can help them out, George, on them. That was the intent a long time ago with you and me testifying at all was showing them some of what it is that has crossed our paths along the way. Right now we've got Arrow and I know Rep Burleson was kind of defending Arrow. Like I think they're just doing their job. You know, they're trying to eliminate things. And that is true.

I'm sure there's a lot of great people working at Arrow. But from a public standpoint, I know for a fact that they are giving us low information videos up there. and then afterwards just saying the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis. Calm on. We've seen the best UFO videos come out from the military through journalism. In fact that they're putting up these really stupid videos, I'm sorry, I got no love for that. Representative Luna said to me on a call the other day, she's like, I want to defund Arrow. She feels they're being disingenuous with Congress.

So look, they have to take the power back. And I think there's a few ways to do that. They mentioned getting subpoenas, putting them in a big list, taking them to their boss and saying, these are the people who want a subpoena. So I feel like they want more hearings. They just want to be able to get the right content in those hearings, and that's what they're fighting for. Yeah, it was interesting to hear that they have developed a long list of names of people

they want to pull in and question and a long list of files, specific files. they've been told about that they can't get access to. What was really interesting is Representative Burleson, we asked him about the video that he uncorked at that congressional hearing back in September, an amazing piece of footage that we had seen before. And I was wondering, look, did some experts, did the military come over and try to tell you what that represented, what the real deal is? He can't talk about it. And it sort of goes to something that Representative Birch had said, is he no longer goes to classified briefings because you go in there, you hear something, you can never talk about it. And that applies to things he knew before he went into the briefing.

So he's not going there anymore because to him it seems like a trap. Well, he can't talk about it, but I can tell you that he was not told that this was just some ordinary thing. You know, see, that's the problem. As you're saying, we're going to classified briefings, this is not a resolved case at all. And so I think that it sucks that he had to hear that in a classified setting and can't reaffirm that to us. But I can tell you that I can guarantee you that that is not a video of something that is known. And that's why it's still identified as UAP. But anyway, something that happened at the hearing, there's this cool little clip where you're walking, you know, right past, right after you testified.

And Rep Berluson reached over to you and says, look, you know, we've got people. we want a subpoena, I could use your help with creating that list. And I have definitely helped, you know, kind of give names to that. And our show has helped give names to that. But if you have more names, George, you were asked at the hearing by Rep Burleson, on camera, I caught a little clip of it on camera. And you should help him and give him some of those names because he is putting Santa's little list together of subpoenas, both hostile and non-hosta.

And how powerful would that be? Because if he doesn't want to do it behind his boss's back, wants to go take it to his boss and drop it all at once, but he also did mention that on the floor, they can do it with one swoop once they have all the names together. What did you think of George Knapp here, naming some names today? I've got some names. I want to be out of prison when I go. I've got some names I want to go over with you.

People that we're looking at attention to subpoena. Or I will help them add some to the names of that list. So are you serious about subpoenaing names? Like Luna said that's what I was requesting. Yeah. That's what I look at again, I think we've had enough talk. It's time to bring the people in. It's time to shake things up.

And otherwise, nothing's going to break loose. It's just going to continue to be the status quo. So I highly encourage that you also, George, like help give them some names. I got a few. I've been down here in the real low bunker and it's been infested with cats. I don't know if you can hear that in the background. It's a little little air time. Well, I think it was great that we were able to get all three of them on at the same time.

I think it's great that they know that they're welcome on this platform anytime they want to share a message with the public. And it seems to me that they are all still strongly committed to getting to the bottom of this. And that's great for the public. Yeah. And one last thing about something, you know, hopefully they can be armed with. You will recall, we've talked about it before. You and I did come into a hearing at one point when, when before you testified, and you were able to show Rep Birchit a 100-plus page technical report on the TikTok UFO stuff,

and that was unable to be put into congressional record because of the agreements that have been made when journalists obtain certain things. And that's an honor. It's an oath that you take. And I understand that. But why that's important to me, and I'm bringing it up now, is because every time I talk to these spooks, They tell me, well, we don't look into the TikTok stuff because we don't have enough data. They love not dealing with the TikTok because of not enough data. All the spooks come out of that way.

Now, here's the deal. There is data. There is information. And people asking me should be in position to obtain that information. So I just want to call bullshit on that. There's a ton of data, a ton of data on the TikTok UFO cases. and I really hope that can get into the right hand so it can go public. Well, I feel the same way.

I don't see anything in the document you're referring to. Not that I have them, but I don't, I'm unaware of anything. I'm not aware of anything in those documents that should not be made public. There's no something, there's nothing that's going to endanger U.S. national security from making that information public. So far, I guess DIA has said they can't find it. I can help them, I think. I can help them with some people that worked on that program. And I think they should be exposed to similar videos and things that you and I have been exposed to

because what's being put out by Arrow is total bullshit. Yeah, one thing we did not get into in any detail in this conversation, but maybe we'll do so privately, is that there's something coming for them. There is something coming aimed at Congress that is going to attempt to get them to back off. and because Congress is a threat, as you mentioned. Congress is a real threat to the keepers of the secrets. You know, the mainstream media, the major players have been intimidated and have backed off. New York Times started this ball rolling with a really great story by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane, but they're not publishing any more UFO stories.

The Washington Post has been purchased by a billionaire. Its editorial policy has changed quite dramatically. They're not going to dump out some UFO stories. The major networks, news networks, have been intimidated. They've had to pay millions of dollars to the president for perceived slights. They're intimidated to a great degree. So, you know, the media landscape has changed. That means the members of Congress are the only ones, really, with the power to get to the bottom of this.

And so I think they're being targeted by something that's going to drop real soon. And that's, I hope they can withstand the pressure from that. Right. So intelligence agencies are afraid of the power that Congress has for oversight. And you and I have seen directly that there is a crosshairs on Congress to try to influence, manipulate, cut the legs out of their UAP inquiry. And I think as long as they're forewarned, they didn't seem too worried about it and actually seem pretty hip to it.

They seem to understand that they were a target. this is something, a conversation we had offline, not on this show. But yeah, we're giving a heads up that we see the writing on the wall, what's going to come at them. And, you know, we'll see where that goes, but I think it's not going to be effective. And these individuals, you know, love or hate their politics. I don't even know a lot about politics, but as human beings, they are fighting to try to get this information. They're curious like you and me. So they're fighting to try to get this information. I'm really appreciative. All three came on. That was Rep Luna's idea is to give them.

us all together, which I thought was really cool. So I hope people enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. George, thanks for doing weaponize with me. And maybe we should do a year-end review after this episode. What do you think? Yeah, that's a good idea. But let's not make it at like three in the morning. You're like a slave driver, you know. Cracking the wheel. All right, man. You take care. Thanks, George.