Wednesdays - 114. THROWBACK: Red Wine, Fashion Awards & Self-Sabotage Central

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Heyyy Tinies!We’re taking you way back today with a juicy little archive drop and honestly, this one is a gem.In this throwback ep, Sophie is literally glowing after her trip to Barbados and she rev...eals all about her first kiss with Jamie. Melissa debriefs on her first few dates with her now boyfriend Toby (sweetness!) and the girls give their opinions on celeb looks from the Fashion Awards.The girls get a bit tipsy on a lovely bottle of red whilst discussing your dilemmas. Lol, we're so here for it. One Tiny is in self-sabotage central. We’ve all been there. Another listener has gone back to her exes house after a night out even though he has a GIRLFRIEND?!? Does she tell the new gf?We will be back next week with a brand-new episode, more girly chat and fresh dilemmas.Enjoy the episode xGot a dilemma, some personal advice for a fellow Tiny, or a follow-up to a previous one? Send us a voice note or message on Insta @wednesdayspodcast, or drop us an email at wednesdays@jampotproductions.co.uk--Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/wednesdayspodcast/TikTok | https://www.tiktok.com/@wednesdayspodcastEmail | wednesdays@jampotproductions.co.uk--Credits:Executive Producer: Jemima RathboneProducer: Helen BurkeAssistant Producer: Issy Weeks-HankinsVideo: Lizzie McCarthy & Jake JiSocial: Anthony Barter Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys. If you're watching this, I'm actually on Matt Leave, which is wild. Absolutely crazy. Can't believe it's time. It's happened. It's calm. It feels like you've been pregnant for two years. I don't know why. Six years.
Starting point is 00:00:20 It's been the longest pregnancy known to mankind, I'm sure of it. But we decided to go back down memory lane and give you guys a little a little look into our past life into one of our very first episodes that we recorded early on in the days. The OGs will remember. The OGs will remember when we used to get drunk
Starting point is 00:00:39 we used to check out around my kitchen table and I guess we'll just see how the times have changed. Enjoy. Hey guys, it's Sophie here. And Melissa. And welcome to our new podcast. Wednesdays we drank wine.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Hey, I'm very much. Why was that so quiet? I am delivered. She's back, guys. She's back from Barbados. I landed at 8am this morning, which is 4.A. in my time, so it being slightly bizarre. I rate it that you've come back straight away
Starting point is 00:01:14 and we've gone straight into a recording. This is our first catch-up since they've been back. All being recorded. Because the time difference, even though it was only four hours, we kept missing each other, and I had really bad signal when I was at the beach. By the time we missed our face times. I got really upset.
Starting point is 00:01:27 I was honestly like, full thin. like, so, I feel like I've lost an arm. Like, this is horrible. Yeah, it felt weird. And also every time I walk anywhere, I face it out of, anywhere. I know. So my routine was completely out of whack. I was like, oh God.
Starting point is 00:01:40 I know, I was walking and I was like, this is really boring. I can't face time. So boring. So boring. So much to catch off on itself. Oh gosh, there really is. I've got a delightful wine. I thought you were going to say something else then.
Starting point is 00:01:53 We do have a delightful wine. It's organic. I know. I actually have had this wine before. It's really nice. Have you? Okay, so it's a terra, terra, terra. I've heard of this.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Terri di Fianno. Terri di Fianno, organic red, but we're going to red. It's nice, it's an Italian red. I've actually got quite into, that looks like you're going to pour it out of you. I did feel slightly out of control pouring that. Do you know what I mean? I didn't know very sturdy. I don't feel very sturdy right now.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Oh, you know how much. No, I've had not. Oh my God, neither of us. Oh, stop, we deserve it. It's been a long time. I really do. I'm literally off to a meeting after this, so that's wonderful. Cheers. Cheers.
Starting point is 00:02:34 So, happy we're back together. Okay, let's do the other things. You rarely do this as these days. I haven't had this in a long old time this wine, so. That's some good legs. Lovely legs. Stunning legs. I'm watching her drink it.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Come on. Don't get shy. Very drinkable, that one. So drinkable. No, no, that's really. That's very. Swimmingly, that is. What is that?
Starting point is 00:02:58 Okay, got to do some flavour-same. I don't think it's too flavour-some. Like, to me, that's just, like, very easy drinking. It's not like an overpowering. Oh, am I completely chatting? No, it is. Oaky, like, nutty. There's not, like, vanilla in that one.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Or maybe there is, like, a little bit... Cherry nuts, vanilla. Okay, right, let's read the back. And I can actually... That was... She has not read the back, guys. I've watched her. If I've got that bright, yes,
Starting point is 00:03:22 there's a serious skill. Okay, right, so deep red colour, aromas of rich, dark fruit, a silky texture and big, bright, spicy flavors of dark cherries, vanilla and chocolate. They all fucking have the same excuse like that. No, no, no. I'm sorry but I still don't think this is
Starting point is 00:03:38 as fabulous as the one that we had last week. I really, but this one's organic. This is not organic. The other one was so great. Flavors. It was almost like a dessert. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Whereas this you could drink like with food and it would be like. Yeah, the other one actually would be a bit too sickly. You are glowing. I'm sorry, this parveno
Starting point is 00:03:54 trip has done you. Like, I've never seen you so smiley. Let's talk about the wedding. Okay, so just back for this stunning wedding. It was so perfect. The bride was a bit, like... Glowey. Just absolutely dreamy from start to finish. Was it really reminded you cry?
Starting point is 00:04:10 I... Yeah, well, this is the thing, because like, obviously they're more so Jamie's friends and mine, but I, every time I've gone, because all the weddings I've gone to have been his friends. Right, that's all the years older, yeah. And I literally cry at it every time. I'm like, so...
Starting point is 00:04:23 It is emotional. So, we will be blubbering when we go down. I'm like, I can't tell you how emotional it is. Oh, my God. And, like, it's so sweet, like, the bride. Oh, no, she was so sweet. She, like, almost cried. God, Sophie's, like, crying, talking about it.
Starting point is 00:04:37 No, I was just coming up with it. It was just really lovely from start to finish. And they, like, you know. How was their, like, first dance, all that? She changed dresses. We were, Jamie, yeah, she changed into, like, a really beautiful. Both of her dresses were, like, so simplistic and so nice. She's very natural.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Anyway, it was such delightful time. I had peanut card just coming out my asshole, which I love. Which I just, I'm not. I'm not, you know what, I can have one or two and then I'm like, they'd make me feel safe. I know, but then on the hangover day, so the day two. I was like, I felt so well. But that was the only, like, I couldn't have the wine.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I kept running out. I was like, champagne, everything, no. I was like, oh, rum, no. Then I was like, peanut, it's quite sweet. It felt like an icing side. And then I was like, God, I. Refreshing in the day as well.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Also, it doesn't feel too alcoholy because it feels like a bit of a like smooth, milkshake, smoothie. Yeah, it's so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, guys. rolling back to the UK. Then it was really stunning from start to finish. Anyway, very, very jealous.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Secondly, we have the fashion awards. Okay, so I don't, we've got a little link here so I can have a quick review because I actually haven't seen any of this. So this is all going to be our first impressions. Have you seen it? I've seen it, ofs. Oh, Oves. I don't ever read the...
Starting point is 00:05:48 Oh, this is Hello, Mac. I don't ever go on online. Oh, okay. I don't know who this is, but that's interesting. Oh my God, Chris Jenner went. Wow,zer. Everyone, like, it was serious, it was serious with them. So stunning. Sorry, guys, Romeo Beckham. Yeah, I thought, Romeo. Chris Jen looks, like, quite rogue in that jacket.
Starting point is 00:06:04 I'm really not sure about, um, what's her name? Addison Ray's outfit. I know, yeah. That's not for me. It's not for me, but I actually think she looks quite cool. Wow, Adriana Lima always a 10 out of 10. Uh, joke. Absolutely stunning.
Starting point is 00:06:17 So, guys, Adrian Lemma's running this, like, two-piece white outfit with, like, all these, like, crystals, but it looks to feel, like, all over it. My favorite were, um, Romeo, Beckon. and his girlfriend Mimi, they're so young and they just look so sick. She is so tall. She was in like an all-black outfit as well. She's been cut out of this list, lob.
Starting point is 00:06:35 It's just Romeo, yeah. Well, I'm not sure about Winnie Harlow's outfit. It looks like a do, but it's fashion. You've got to get, you know. No, no, no, no, yeah, no, I don't. I'm really sorry. Knock, no, no, for God's sake. Do you have any serious work?
Starting point is 00:06:51 Kate Beck and Sale, stunning, stunning woman. Right, okay. Katie Beckhamstow out, probably every man that I know is favourite dream girl. Oh my God, Lily Allen. Oh, yeah. I love her. I love a letter to try and I think it's just amazing. Okay, also Gillian Anderson, just so elegant. One of the most beautiful women.
Starting point is 00:07:12 I've always thought she's literally one of the most beautiful people. She really is. There's just something about the way she speaks. I'm like, I'd love it if you're my mum's friend. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You have to like have her in your life. Yeah, lovely God, my God.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Yeah, yeah. I love she's like, I'm like, I'm like, well, when is the question. back because she was a... She's not in it, but there's a new actress that... Oh my God, you know, okay, right, the actress that plays Diana are actually really, really loved. Did you watch The Night Manager? Carson Stewart.
Starting point is 00:07:34 No, no, no, that's the film. The New Crown, she's really, really tall. Okay, what was that film that was like Inception, but it's a new version of everything goes backwards in reverse? I don't know. She's very, very tall, very elegant woman. Amazing, like, all about her, like, away with her. Anyway, she plays Diana and it looks like she's going to be a good actress.
Starting point is 00:07:54 I'm quite excited for the New Crown. Yeah, when is that coming out? I'm so exciting and beside myself because I started watching it this time last year, Christmas last year. I think I did too. I was quite late to the party and I just finished the whole lot
Starting point is 00:08:04 and it was fabulous. It was incredible and so it's been a whole year for me so I'm like giddy on out. You're ready to get it? I thought Emma, was that Emma Corrin was phenomenal. Oh my God, it's also the way that she like tilted her head and looked up
Starting point is 00:08:18 and the sound of her flipping voice I was like, it's uncanny. It gave me absolute chills. Yeah, it was. Unbelievable. Yeah, when is the crowdback guy? She's going to be really hard to compete with that. I mean, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:31 And she had unbelievable reviews. Amazing performance. Just amazing. I wonder what she's going to go into now because her name is Diana now. Like, I look how I just think Diana. She did film something with Harry Siles. Oh, did she?
Starting point is 00:08:45 Ooh, that's why. God, that's hitting me hard, honey? Is it crazy? So, guys, it's getting bloody dark outside and it's only like 3 o'clock. I know. I really wish I didn't quite cozy. I could honestly just finish this bottle and have take away.
Starting point is 00:08:57 I know, that would be stuck. Oh, okay. Should we ask Melissa what she's going to up to because I feel like, we need little? Okay, so I'm like, should we wait till the diaries? Well, no, because it's just a general catcher on, but I, all right. I've just been missing so free, keeping myself busy. With who? What do you mean?
Starting point is 00:09:16 You had on any dates? No. There's been a couple days. also we've decided the whole dating two people in one day thing is fully unacceptable I can't do it to myself I never did it and I'm so happy I didn't wait so I want to ask have your dates all women with the same oh my god Sophie yes okay stunning we won't pry anymore but you guys just keep you on the edge of your seats for next week to find out of each week I'm gonna pry a little bit more out of you obviously guys Sophie knows everything so like this is just well I just want you guys to have a little inside
Starting point is 00:09:48 knowledge you know okay well wait till we get to the single diary is gone Skipping ahead, skipping head. Right. I can't get over to the smiling. I think it's... It's freaking me out. What are you serious? I've honestly think it's saddened up with sliding recently.
Starting point is 00:10:02 No, I think it's just because you've come from a really wholesome holiday and you've watched people get married. It was very much. No, but you've watched people get married. It's just been filled with love. Yeah, very pleasant. And you've come from the sea, you're good for the soul, the ocean air. Okay, so first I learn that.
Starting point is 00:10:19 How do I stop self-sabotaging? Firstly, I absolutely love the podcast and everything you stand for. It's such a great way to empower girls and show them how to let their hair down. So me and my boyfriend have been together since May, and he's absolutely amazing. We were best friends at work for two years, so I know him inside out and vice versa, meaning I can be completely honest with him. At the moment, we're doing long distance. In past relationships, I wouldn't say anything if something was bothering me because I wanted to keep the peace. But now I know this is unhealthy.
Starting point is 00:10:47 I feel like I've gone too much the other way, right? Okay, so she's obviously, like, keeping sayings too much love. For example, he's not good at replying when busy, and when I'm really happy slash busy too, I don't mind. But if I'm not that busy, I tend to overthink it and then get annoyed at him. I kind of get what she means by this. He has got better with it now after I've told him a few times, but he said that I tend to over-exaggerate the negatives and forget about the positives.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I've had that for. What do you think, what do you girls think? I do feel bad about not being consistent with my mood fluctuating, when I'm busy and when I'm not and don't want to look like I forget about all the good parts of our relationship. I don't know how to fix this without losing my ability to stand up for myself.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you so much and please get this an on. Okay, obviously we'll keep this and on. But I so know what she means by like... I'm exactly the same thing. Like, if I'm not busy, I'm like, I want attention. Like, why are you giving me attention? Like, is what goes through my mind.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And I also... I'm busy, I'm like, oh, you're annoying me. And also, I get annoyed, like, sometimes. Same. I wouldn't say anything, though, because they haven't done anything wrong. Oh, when you get to, like, the stage of my relationship, you can. Like, through. Oh, but surely you don't crave Jamie's attention at this. No, but, like, that's quite good if you still...
Starting point is 00:12:00 No, but if I'm just, like, you know, on a flight and he's watching a movie and I'm bored and he's not talking to me, I'll be like, oh, God, you're into me. So boring. Just, yeah, you're so boring because, like, he's watching a movie when actually, like, he's totally, like, within his right to be here now. But this is long distance, so this is hard because the relationship's literally through the phone. Oh, God, I... I can so understand what you mean, but at the same time, it's just not acceptable to get annoyed at the other person.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Because imagine if a shoe was on the other foot and like you're, like, when you're saying it, you're busy. Yeah, we'd be like, oh my God, he's state controlling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can't. You just can't, you just have to swallow it. It's just one of these things, human nature. Like, we crave attention when we're bored and we're not doing anything. And also, I think you have to look at it and be like,
Starting point is 00:12:41 this is probably my insecurity. It's my issue. It's not his. And you've got to have a word with yourself and just be like, it's really not fair. and you will drive a wedge between me and you will push him away ultimately because he will just be like, I'm not freaking doing anything wrong. Yeah, and I do also think taking this on, like, maybe a dark note, if you are the type of person that craves so much attention when you're not,
Starting point is 00:13:02 I think that maybe the long-distance relationship isn't for you because, I mean, you know, you can't right into the care. Sorry, I'm just being honest, but like that's, it sounds like that this is going to be the case, you know, it's not going to go away ultimately. Like, if you're not busy, you're going to want your boyfriend to talk to you, which I so understand, because that's like your wind-down time when you have, like, time just the two of you,
Starting point is 00:13:20 but you're doing long distance and he's, like, busy with his, like, mates after work, going out for drinks, whatever. Yeah. It's difficult. I also think that someone once told me that girls find it, well, not girls, anyone finds it,
Starting point is 00:13:34 where people find it hard to understand their emotions. So for me, my easiest emotion is sometimes anger. Like, I don't like being sad. I don't, I would know. I feel weak, being like, oh, I feel insecure or whatever. Like, I just do. So my easiest emotion is. thing is to just be annoyed at Jamie.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Whereas I think if you actually sometimes sit back and be like what emotion am I actually feeling and then discuss it with him and be like I feel that you might feel a bit abandoned, you might feel a bit lonely, you might feel a bit unwanted and then he can sort of have
Starting point is 00:14:05 a different angle rather than you going for the instant annoying that you find, you know, attacking him. But I do think that like if this is just how I would respond if I was being told but I say I had a boyfriend and they were going to me, like, it makes me feel abandoned when you don't talk to me
Starting point is 00:14:22 and I'm bored at home. It would kind of be like, well, you need to grow up a bit. Like, that would be my response to somebody because I'd be like, I can't just sit at home waiting for you to potentially be set at home board as well so that we can talk, make set times, I guess, to speak to one another. But, look, if you are bored,
Starting point is 00:14:37 you've got to let him have his independence and you've got to have yours. So true. And also, you've got to, whenever those creeping thoughts come into your mind, just be like, that's not true, that's not the reality. Like, he probably, you know, he has to have a life. You can't let your mind run wild. You have to learn to be fine by yourself and not get bored
Starting point is 00:14:54 and crave his attention to, like, fulfill your boredness and make you feel like you're entertained. Yeah. We can entertain ourselves, girls. Seriously? Second dilemma, do I come clean? I was seeing a guy, let's call him John. For three months, we ended up, we ended things a year ago,
Starting point is 00:15:15 Then a couple of months later, we ended up sleeping with each other after a night out. Lovely, love a good going back to the X and the night out, Jake. I then found out John was seeing somebody, and I obviously wanted to tell her, as I felt as though she had the right to know. But I decided not to, as me and John have mutual friends, and I didn't want to cause drama. Okay, yeah, good, good, good shout. They are now boyfriend and girlfriend and seem very in love,
Starting point is 00:15:41 and are about to move in together. Do you think I should tell her, or is it too late now? I would really appreciate your advice on this, please, girls. Right, I'm going to say take it to the grave with you. There is no point in the splitting up, but you should ship up. I would take that to the grave with me. I can understand, like, it's like, you, like, you put yourself in that position,
Starting point is 00:16:00 like, I would want to know if the boy that I was moving in with had just shagged another, like, his ex. Oh, God. So it's difficult. Does she know the girl? No. No, take it to the... Take it to the grave.
Starting point is 00:16:09 You don't know the girl. You know what, and also, I feel like... You're also going to look back on you exactly. everyone will just feel like you're the bitch, which is so unfair because you're really not and you're just doing what... They're being a good human. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:22 You're being a good human by it going through your head that you should tell her. But she'll twist... Well, without her... It will look like you're... It will look like you're trying... Yeah, it will just look like you're trying to break them up and it'll look like you're obsessed with him.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Like, it's just going to go that way, unfortunately. I agree. I think the best thing to you is to just feel like to him you're disgusting. And I also feel like you don't know what stages of their relationship was at when you slept with him, they might have just been seeing each other
Starting point is 00:16:47 and it might not have been that serious. Yeah. Mind you, how quickly, like... You can't really... And then they're moving into each other. I mean, that's probably... But you know what? I feel like she will...
Starting point is 00:16:57 Like, if he's set with you, I feel like he's probably set with other people as well. Yeah. Like, you're not the only one and she will find out, like, the universe works in whatever, like, mysterious ways. It's not your responsibility, exactly. You're not friends with her.
Starting point is 00:17:09 You're not friends with him. They're not married with kids. Yeah. Then it's a more different story. And I feel like she will find out, like these things always come out in the woodwork, don't they? Like, you can't get away of stuff. Yeah, and you've done nothing wrong.
Starting point is 00:17:18 You've got to remember that. Yeah, you've done nothing wrong. You don't know her also. I know this sounds a bit of a messed up way thinking about it, but because you didn't know that he was together with her at the time. Oh, God, I don't know. And you don't know her anything. And at the time, you didn't know that they were women together.
Starting point is 00:17:33 So, like, you are so in the clear. But, like, thinking about it, like, if I was moving in my day, like, what she would want someone to tell you. Like, I would be so upset. But then maybe, maybe, maybe, I know this is also really dark. maybe he did it and was like, shit, what have I done? I'm so in love with my girlfriend. I pray she never finds out.
Starting point is 00:17:51 I know, I know. If I moved in with someone and found out there, sleep with someone, I'd be like, I literally can't find you. Yeah, I know. Sometimes, I know, sometimes ignorance is bliss, and I know that's really messed up. Oh, I can't. Imagine, imagine.
Starting point is 00:18:05 If I found out a year later that, Jamie, like, settle some dissuant. Yeah, would you forgive him? No. Well, I don't know. You never know until you're in that position, but no. for massively...
Starting point is 00:18:15 But imagine... Okay, so imagine this scenario. So this guy has slept with his ex on a rogue night owl and then being like, oh my shit, I'm so enough for my girlfriend. What on earth have I done? Horrible, horrible mistake.
Starting point is 00:18:26 And then I know, I know, I know, I know. That is not a random guy. It's the X, like... Oh, yeah, it's bad. There was thoughts there, like, see meditation. I don't really know. If I was you, I wouldn't say anything. I would take it to the grave,
Starting point is 00:18:36 but I can understand from a moral perspective that it... Maybe she should know, but I don't think it should come from you. I think it will come out. another way. He should fucking tell her. He should tell her.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Yeah, you never know. You know, if you wanted to be really rude. She might even know. You could go, imagine if she already knows and she was like, I've forgiven him. We've moved past this. Like, how dare you meddle? Like, you don't know the ins and outs
Starting point is 00:18:57 this situation. Oh, for God take. That's really, like, mori. This is difficult. Like, confused. Like, me. Okay, what would you do if you were this girl? You would take it to the grave?
Starting point is 00:19:07 You wouldn't say a thing. Um, I think I would, do they not have mutual friends? I think it would get out. for sure if it's the ex. They do have mutual friends. They've got mutual friends. I'd probably tell one of the mutual friends
Starting point is 00:19:20 and be like, like, I don't want to tell her, but like, what do you want to do with this information? Like, I feel too bad keeping this. I just would. I would not be able to live with myself. I'd feel like a home hacker. I wouldn't be able to live myself. Seeing them struck down the street.
Starting point is 00:19:33 What if the girlfriend is like, but you know that they could have been on a break at the time. You never know. But if they were, then that's fine. You've said, I'd probably say to her friend, like, I am so sorry. this has happened, like, I feel so awful about it. What, like...
Starting point is 00:19:47 Oh, God, but imagine... You know what's bad, though? Imagine, like, she forgives him. They get back together. And then they'll just be like, why does she fucking open up? The girlfriend will just hate you anyway because you're the ex.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Like, that's just natural. Like, we all hate everyone's exes, don't we? That's beyond. Actually, no, to be fair, I got on quite well with a lot of my exes's exes. Right, okay, well, my advice, we can flitish on this one. I think that you should tell a friend,
Starting point is 00:20:09 and Melissa says take it to the grave. What do you guys say? Okay, yeah, maybe tell a friend. I don't know, I just don't want to be a meddler. I'm so paranoid about things, like, things coming back and biting, like, someone in the eyes. Yeah, I know, but, like, what about this? What if he's an absolute dog, and she's, like, saved a girl from moving in with him? Okay, then that's different.
Starting point is 00:20:24 I guess it depends on, like, you know him better because he's your ex. Picture you, Matt, Matt, moving in with you. Or picture you. Or picture the, anyone you're dating, and then just getting with them and then being, like, the shadow ex. I would want to know, and then I'd be like... See you later, but then I'd be like, fuck you, right. But that's, like, thinking about my position, like, that's, thinking from a different perspective.
Starting point is 00:20:43 But if you were moving in, you'd be even far... Okay, right, just go and tell her. Just go and fucking tell her. Yeah. She needs to know. Tell her and then let us do what happened. The tables of... Yeah, Vastna Gosset.
Starting point is 00:20:53 No, I think it's like, really... I'm really sorry, this wine on the jet, like... Lovely stuff, this is. Right, okay, we've got a long run. Dynamo 3 is dating someone in a relationship. Uh, no. Come on. Oh my God, off the bat.
Starting point is 00:21:12 I'm really not happy with this. I'm not happy with this. Hi girls, finally I got around to listening to your podcasts and spend pretty much the whole day going through quite a few episodes. Wow, thank you very much. A little over three years ago
Starting point is 00:21:22 I met someone through work. He is French and lives there and works in our French office, age 42. Love an old. This is getting king for a day. Christian Gray. I live in England and work in our UK office. We have never met in person
Starting point is 00:21:36 but we connected talking and Sue M. He has baggage, he isn't married, and has no kids, but he is in a long-term relationship. This is wild. He told me about it early on and we said nothing would happen until he would sort things his side. Oh, no, no, no, no. Classic, they all say the same thing.
Starting point is 00:21:54 We went on drugs together. He said he would sort things, then he couldn't because she had done something wrong. We then said we'd stop talking until things are right for us to start and we don't talk for a while, but we always come back together and hit it off where we stopped. There are clearly feelings on both sides, but I think and Phil he cherishes the security of his side too much.
Starting point is 00:22:15 They share a house, stable income for both, and how people look at him. I think he doesn't want to be the bad one breaking things off with her. No, it's just how do we get out of the circle? Neither of us can imagine a life without the other, but it seems he loves two people, maybe plus enjoys his security. I actually think it's so possible to be another two people at the same time.
Starting point is 00:22:35 I'm sorry, I feel really sorry for you because he's gaslighting the shit out of you, but get out of the same. Yeah, this is really not giving me good, haven't you? He will start a new job in the year, so this will change the dynamics because we will no longer see each other's name on that chat at work, work emails, etc. So this will be interesting. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:54 I'm 39, by the way. It would be nice to hear your point of view and maybe the one of a man if you're planning on doing this again. It has really been hard for us both, but I also think he should be doing something if you want to be there. So agree. I've taken a step away from it, a little to look at it more from a distance and have him take the next step. rather than me being the one that does. We've only just started talking in and when we don't currently talk much,
Starting point is 00:23:18 he's started an email thread with me telling our story. This is so sweet, but I'm not yet sure what he's pointed to someone is trying to say. I spend many tearful nights on this, but he's also the one that makes my heart smile and I want him to be there. Thank you for listening. Oh my God, okay, first my heart is breaking for your bit
Starting point is 00:23:34 because I can tell you're so deeply in love with this boy, man. But are you going to spend the rest of your life waiting for this bloat to potentially like break it off at this girl. No. I'm really sorry and I don't blame you because love is blind. Love is blind and you clearly aren't a bad person. You just really like him and he's ghastly to help. We can't help who we love.
Starting point is 00:23:56 What I think is that he would, if he loved you enough or he loved you at all, he would leave his long-time girlfriend to be with you and he's not doing that. He's just stringing you along and long and you're just going to be, you know what this is reminding me of? The holiday. You know, in the holiday, when that iris is in love with that man and he just strings her along on the email, the work emails and, like, all that naughty stuff and he's engaged and he's like...
Starting point is 00:24:21 And he's that, and then he calls her and he's like, I love you, don't I? And she's like, does that mean you're leaving your fiancé? And he's like, no. It's like bizarre. And then she's like, you know what? Fuck you. Like, seriously, I'm not waiting. Yeah, I like my, there's a solid response to me on this.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Sack him off. He is an asshole. he is a master manipulator this is not okay on any level he's gas-knit you like no you're wasting your time with this man and I'm not going to put it any other way
Starting point is 00:24:51 get out of it I so agree I do think that it's possible though no when people are married or in a long-term relationship it's possible to fall in love with someone else then the only responsible thing is to make a decision and be like
Starting point is 00:25:04 I'm going to leave my partner for you because I love you so much that's fine but he's stringing you both And it sounds like this has been going on for like what years. So, I mean, it's fully not okay. It's anything but okay. And also, no, it's not okay on any level. It just needs to stop. This needs to stop right now.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Get yourself out there. Get yourself out there. This is giving me red, red, red, red light. This is a red light moment. I always have this, like... And like, with any advice that I'm giving you, like, I wouldn't even say, oh, I'd air this to him or I'd say this or give him an ultimatum. like, I just want you to get out of this.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Like, I don't even want me to be too. Just be like, you have wasted my time. This is wrong. You are with somebody else. If you love to meet up, you would have left her. You haven't. That's it. Goodbye.
Starting point is 00:25:52 I'm out. Winge is a whinge. Right. My winge is, it could be in a relationship, like a fight with your boyfriend, or it could be, like, with friends. If you've had a fight and then you say, look, I'm sorry, let's forget it.
Starting point is 00:26:09 let's forgive it. You then can never bring up that fight again. No, no, you can't. You can't a week later or the next day be like, yeah, I'm annoyed because you did this yesterday. It's like, no, you've moved on from that. You've moved on. That's my winch.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah. It's like when people like cheat and then they choose to forgive. That is hard. I know everyone's... But then like, you can't, like, constantly bring it up and hang it over the other person's head because then it just gets toxic. It's like, okay, we've decided to move on from this.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Don't bring up again. You're going to go home and want to sleep up this right already. You can have a lot of. I'm having a lovely, um, vegan, clean kitchen delivery this evening. Can't wait. Oh, starn it. It's a chicken, it's a chicken. We're plugging clean kitchen. Truffle burger situation, I think. Lovely, lovely. Obviously vegan chicken.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Stans. Okay. Can't this talk about one. We're way to one. Okay, well, not much has happened. Oh, no, no. Get out. Get out. There's nothing really to say. You know what I will say? What? What will you say? That...
Starting point is 00:27:16 Do you... A young blush? No. My God. The Fanny flutters are getting worse and worse. I honestly... Melissa says me a screenshot of what this voice said to us. She was like, got flannel flatters.
Starting point is 00:27:27 And I was literally sat next to Jamie. He was like, what are they? So I was just like... I got off the chat really quickly. I was like, no. Bye. I was like, I can't go into what they are. Even though you definitely know.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Oh, you know what's just so. really fancying someone, like that's a really, really great feeling. I haven't had that in years, years, years, I said, I told her about him. She fancies him as well. I think everyone fancies him. I'm a taken woman, I definitely don't, but he's an extreme. Okay, no, you know, this is actually what I'm going to talk about because it's really funny. Okay, so there's certain things apparently that can give a girl the ick, right?
Starting point is 00:28:02 So my friend Hermione was talking about, like, it's apparently it's like a meme, and my friend Hermione was saying something about, like, when you go bowling, with a bloke, and then he, like, when he, like, walks back off, like, throwing the ball. What are they, she? I don't know. Apparently, it's, like, this, apparently it's a thing that gives people the ick, right? And my friend Hermione is, like, if a boy does that, like, I'm fully repulsed, like, repulsed, and I was like, right, okay. This boy can't do anything without.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I know, I know what she means, like, they run back. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what it is. And then, and then they bowl it, and then they turn around. And then you're like, and you're like, let me like, that. Okay, so, I really don't know who listens. This boy, I'm for kids. What are you on about? He stood in dog shit.
Starting point is 00:28:43 No, stop. No, I love him. That's so sweet. No, it broke my heart. Did he go, oops? No, it was so bad. It was really fucking... But it was all over shit.
Starting point is 00:28:53 It was just like... What do you mean? I know, it was just like... What do you mean? Yes, I was walking right next to it. Did you go, oh? I tried to stop him from walking in it, and then it was too late. Oh my God, his poor heart was wrong.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I'm done. I've sealed the deal. I just... all right for you to this so how did he get over it he listens he's definitely it just it just wiped off I don't know he just got it off it was fine you were obviously so smitten
Starting point is 00:29:19 that you couldn't smell the shit no no no I was walking then like that was it I was gone in like five minutes after that so it was fine oh it definitely didn't go off he had to run home and wash his trainer for like an hour then he thank God he was like do not come back to my house bye I've got shit all over my cheek
Starting point is 00:29:36 that's the work there's certain things that guys do that can give you the I'm trying to think what else like people can do that would give me the ick. That's the funny story. This boy could do like anything and it probably wouldn't give me the egg. He's that fit. God, she sounds like she's in love. No, shut up. But is there anything that Jamie did at the beginning where you were like,
Starting point is 00:29:51 that could potentially, it's sending me on the edge. You were already in love with him. No, I wasn't in love with him. You fell in love with him before you dated him. Sort of. No, I did. Oh, you did. You both fell in love with each other before you started dating and it was like this.
Starting point is 00:30:05 You, yeah. Come on, don't lie. Everyone knows it. everyone that knows Sophie and Jamie, they fell in love before they started dating. That's why you started dating. Just couldn't help yourselves. But did he do anything that, like, give you there?
Starting point is 00:30:18 No, I remember when we Files Kiss. Oh, yeah, tell me this story. His lovely chap lips. Oh, no, I love him so much. We are hammered. I'm not like, we are, I've actually so, I've got a meeting and I might have to cancel it. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Oh, God. We were on a flight and we kissed. I know. And we, like, woke up. because he got me so drunk of ride five. Wait, wait, is this? No, Kate Town years ago.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Are you Chelsea? Yeah, major Chelsea show. Anyway, on the way? On the way back was our first kiss. Oh my God, you've got a real in there. That is, anyway. Juicy, stuff. That's juicy.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Oh, my God. We woke up, we were like, what the fuck happened? Like, when I say I was hammered, I was white girl gone. Was there fireworks? I don't remember any of it. I just remember kissing.
Starting point is 00:31:07 imagine the poor women at us must have been like sorry cool this is unacceptable these two people oh we were in economy so you were like no we were like basically like I think we paid to go to premium oh I love that Jamie would have been like come on safe let's go free me and I love that I mean it's not much so he could have had you to yourself anyway anyway I remember we woke up we came to and I remember he had I looked at his camera out like sort of his hair and I'm like oh god oh no no what's he doing Anyway, that's all for now That's all for now
Starting point is 00:31:41 That's it for today folks But yeah guys Oh no, we need to rape Sorry, Sophie's absolutely happened I can't She's honestly grinning for it This has to be dead now But we do need to rate the wine
Starting point is 00:31:56 She's delirious Okay, I'm not going to rate this as highly As the last round I'm giving it a two What? It's a nice wine What's the wrong with you? A solid five
Starting point is 00:32:05 Yeah, I reckon a five or a six It's not, we gave, I think last week, we did 7.5, wait. We've even stuck at 7 for a while. I feel like we need to make a lot. We need to drop the ball on this one. Compared to the others, if I could, I could drink the other one by itself. This I couldn't. I would probably have to, I mean, I say I couldn't.
Starting point is 00:32:20 We've just probably had all of it without anything, but I would need to have. Were you okay? We haven't had all. We're celebrating. We haven't seen each other in ages. Also, guys, she's turning 25 this week. I, sorry, you were 24? Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:34 How old did you think I was? So if you think I'm her age and saying, I love you. feeling this you and jim make you feel so young i love it so much on 27 you're just turning 25 that they were the best years for my life oh stop don't say that what do you mean then it all i'm joking i'm not halfway to 50 that's so upsetting and i'm literally year away from 30 which is fine because god you're 28 next year no you're 29 yeah you're 28 next year yeah guys but also 30 a lot of our listeners a lot of people also say as soon as you turn 30 you just stopped giving a shit about what one thinks
Starting point is 00:33:08 and it's like the best time of your life when you're 30. Yeah, I think we're actually going to... And then my mum actually said her 40s were incredible as well. Someone I swear to... Oh, Jim's the granny, who's like 90 or something, told me that her 50s were the best years of her life. Really? Yeah, I think it just varies. I just think we just freak out because time is just really rushing past.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I just worry that I'm going to like be like, everything's going to be going to be going to be going to really north. Do you know what I mean? What does that? I think it's just going to drop on my face, my body, everything. Oh, we're thinking about. the way we look. Yeah, well, I mean, naturally we don't get better as we get older, do. Actually, you know
Starting point is 00:33:40 what, some women do? Do you know what they really do? It's all in the mind, you've just got to love and appreciate yourself. You've got to embrace it, and also, I think when you think about what everyone around you is like the same age, like you're all aging at the same time, together. So it's fine. Well, you're not, so fuck you. Well, yeah, I've got two years below you. Go smoke, loads of cigarettes and drink, so you
Starting point is 00:33:56 age. Don't ruin my skin. No, she's ticker for that. Anyway, guys, love you, so. Love you, thank you so much. I've been rambled on, but hope you enjoyed it. Bye. Bye.
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