Weekly Skews - Weekly Skews – 11/12/24 – Post Mortem

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

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Hey, Everybody, welcome back, it is skews day, once again, everything. We're still here. The show still exist. We still exist. We're still doing the thing. It's November 12th, 2024. I'm tired. That's Mark. Mark, how you doing? Bright and cheery, walking on sunshine, smelling flowers. I've decided to try heroin. Yeah, welcome to radio-free douchebagistan, everybody. So, yeah, we're going to talk about all the happenings today. Here's a fun bit of thing that was happening in the internet today. And Google Trends, the top three results today were, can I change my vote? Will tariffs cause inflation and things to buy before tariffs?

So people have voted for Donald Trump seven days ago. Welcome to the resistance. What the fuck? Yeah. I mean, it's like, so first of all, for those of you here now, we did our Patreon episode last Friday was about the kind of aftermath of everything. And I'm sure some of the things will come up again or whatever. But we mentioned on there that last Tuesday night, the night of the election, Google searches spiked for the phrase,

did Joe Biden drop out, right? Which is also very alarming, in my opinion, as it pertains to the general state of the electorate. So I'm not surprised by these results or whatever, but you realizing that this is kind of what we're working with on both sides in terms of voters? And it's like, it's not really that surprising, I guess, that things are. Really, it's kind of surprising that things held together as long as they did.

Take that into account, but Yeah, yeah, anyway, it happened and we're here And the hell is empty and all the devils are here, buddy I would try to figure out what my favorite thing that happened That I didn't anticipate yet I mean, like besides Trump winning Like the what would happen if you won? Kier Starmer, Prime Minister of the UK

announced, you know, talked to Donald Trump on the phone And they figure out who the best had Ambassador from the UK to the Trump administration is going to be and it's going to be a guy that hung out with Jeffrey Epstein So they understood the assignment Trump's favorite for Attorney General is Mike Davis, who has been posting recently that he wants to drag their political bodies through the streets

and if you're wondering who he's men, he also says he wants to build a gulag for liberal white women to do laundry in. So, yeah, yeah. That was like when, at this stage of the game last time around when he started naming appointees and cabinet members and stuff. Like it was a big topic then too

because it was like, who the fuck are they? And every one of them was like, kind of sane-ish, like Mad Dog Mattis and people like that. But for every hymn, there was Rick Perry being the Secretary of Energy or Betsy DeVos and things like that. And people were all freaking out about it. But a lot of those people, even as insane as some of them were, they eventually turned on them because they were like, this is too insane for me.

And that was a big part of the whole idea with Project 2025 in a second go-round is we're going to get that right this time. And by that getting that right, I mean, lunatics only. saying people need not apply lunatic non-believers only so as bad as we thought it was last time at this stage it's going to be even wilder this time around and it already is apparently he's nominee for secretary of defense as a fox news host and uh phexman's homeland security yeah so you know here we phexs that's like the guy who went on tv and said he hadn't washed his hands in 10 years because he didn't believe in germs um uh rfk has indicated that he wants to get rid of food labeling

So I get, or somebody, I forget exactly whose proposal that was, but I guess we're going to do genocide on people with peanut allergies now. Speaking of RFK, he's launched a webpage to help solicit ideas for who to appoint important roles, like health policy roles during Trump 2.0, including top spots at like the FDA. And one of the most popular names on this website is Dr. Simone Gold, who's one of the women from people from America's frontline doctors who, you know, told people that the secret cure for COVID-19 was hydroxychloroquine. and, you know, she spent two months in jail after October, after January 6th. Back in the game, baby. Yeah, yeah. I think my favorite one is they floated Tulsi Gabbard for a national security role. And, yeah, just a woman who grew up in an Assadist who grew up in like a Hari Krishna adjacent right-wing sex cult.

And, like, I thought somebody else got CIA. I forget who it was. But, like, I thought she was going to get CIA. And I was like, well, CIA was founded by members of a religious sex cult. It was just Christians and skull and bones. So I guess it's like, at least that's a diversity hire, baby. So, yeah. I haven't seen how they voted on this bill today, but there was a Congress was fast-tracking,

a bill titled the Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties on American Hossages Act. They were supposed to vote today. It was insanely bleak bill to be fast-tracking when Trump's about to take power again. It would give the Treasury Department unilaterally authority to revoke tax exempt status if any nonprofit deemed, deemed to be, quote, terror supporting organization. Of course, civil rights groups. The ACLU, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, for context here, a bunch of 501C3s funded litigation against Trump in his first term and won a lot. So, like, especially like, talking about environmental policy here, like, wanted a 90% clip to stop environmental rollbacks. And so, which is what unilateral authority could label them eco-terrorists for suing to stop, you know, environmental policy rollbacks. Also, a lot of, like, the best journalism

outfits going right now are a nonprofit funded by 911 C3s. So basically, if this would be a way to curtail criticism and resistance and Congress, if you want to do something proactive, you can call your congressperson and tell them to oppose HR 9495, the Stop Terror Financing and Tax Penalties and American Hostages Act because they're using the guys of the war on terror to do some fucked up domestic similarities, liberty shit, which is a movie we've all seen before so yeah there we go yep well onward we go with us is producer laura doing her thing back there this is weekly skews still yet not in the gulog just yet me and mark but who knows how long will last but we'll see uh before we continue tonight i've got some um announcements for you

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did on Friday. It was all trying to make sense of this big mess, an episode that carries over into tonight. But normal times we talk about things that come up in between the shows or stuff we didn't have time for, just other things we want to talk about. It's just this show, but it's more of it. So if you like this show, you'll like the bonus show too. Sign up on Patreon, get some more skews in your life. As for the show tonight, as I just alluded to, we're going to be talking about what else? The aftermath, the fallout, the devastation, whatever you want to call it, of last week's electoral results, but also what it means,

where we go from here, what the takeaways should be, and no one has these answers. But if anyone's close, it's obviously us too, me and the guys that can get as close to figuring it out as anyone out there. So we're going to get into all that a little later

and we'll see how it goes. But first, we begin, as always, with the daily dumbass. Laura, graphic, please. Tonight's D.D., anyone who didn't know that the rules of the blame game are that you blame the least powerful people first.

A lot of young people are also fed up with very super progressive attitudes. I think the Democrats show going back to your initial question, and you may disagree with this. I think they need to move to the center. What does that mean, though? When you say they need to move to the center, what do they need? Are you saying that they should not support trans people? Like, let's just be specific because that's what the ads are doing. And so if the analysis in the immediate aftermath is they have to move to the center.

I mean, what is the center? Because I disagree that that is it, but I want to hear what is the center? Because you're not the only person, to be clear, I've heard say that. I've heard, you know, the Democrats have been in my phone this morning. The center are the people I described before. I'm not even talking about an issue. We can talk about issues. The people I decided before who bounce back and forth and play between the 45-yard lines,

that tends to win elections. If you look historically where it is, so that's my feeling. Are you to disagree? All right. We also have with us, you know, special correspondent for people. He didn't say anything. All these, they need to move to the center takes when Kamala Harris ran a deeply centrist campaign are like utterly bizarre to me. She ran the campaign that the centrist Democrats, the dream campaign, the centrist pundits, and the never Trump Republicans, she ran it.

And she lost. Yeah. And I don't know what pivot. Just are. Go ahead. Well, just what I said at the end of the episode, the Patreon episode, and also kind of in a video today. I think is that like I think there's a little bit of boat like I think they should move further left economically and fiscally and be more progressive in like the Bernie Sanders way because those types of progressive politics are popular with people you know lifting people up giving people more money and having health care and infrastructure and things of that nature and they need to be further left on that instead of neoliberal bullshit and bending over for the banks and all that type of stuff still being in the pocket of rich people so they should be further left on that but At the same time, a lot of this isn't even a problem with the party,

but I do think there is like a branding problem with the American left in general when it comes to like a lot of identity politics stuff. And I'm not saying we still have to stand up for trans people and demand that they have equal rights. I'm not saying we abandon anybody. But it's more the kind of like the like, you know, preachy, scoldy, fucking, you know, getting mad at a tweet or a joke someone had 10 years ago type of that type of thing. or not taking context into account, like the type of shit

that people think of when they think of the left, unfortunately, I wish we could find a way to me. And I think I said this on Friday, too, and I said it in the video today, but an example to me is like when like Latin X was a thing, where like that's we shouldn't, that like that type of shit is completely worthless

and should go away. But I, but we still have to fight for equal rights for marginalized groups, obviously. So for sure. That's how I feel about it. But like the thing about like that is like, Like, yeah, joke scolds are annoying, but any sort of political strategy that, like, hangs 80 million people's votes, they're responsible for somebody saying, correct, fact checking a joke online is like, it's not going to work.

So you just got to figure out a different. So, like, what the fuck? Well, I think, right. Yes, you're right. That is the, it's like the big Democrat. I don't know what they can even really do about that. I feel like that part of it is related to another massive, one of the most massive problems here. and it's the like the media problem

and right wing having a stranglehold on so much of the media and pop culture and the narrative and podcasts and all this stuff because I think that's where a lot of that shit actually comes from is from that. And it's like people on the left who aren't even politicians or whatever else, but just people on the left finding a way

to like make inroads into that and appeal to some of these people in demographics without, you know, you know, we're just not cool anymore like it's so stupid i can't believe like ben shapiro is fucking cool now but when i was he's not i know i know he's not but when i was like a 19 20 year old the coolest dudes on earth were like john stewart and stephen colbert now that was the bush era and the iraq war and all that stuff you know but those guys were cool like frat boys in college were packing

balls and dorm rooms and watching those dudes every night and now it's not just joe rogan and the Paul brothers and Aiden Ross and all these streamers or Andrew Tater, whoever. And it's like culturally the left, finding a way to figure out how to appeal to these people again or whatever, I think is important. Getting some of that back, reminding people that's like, no, damn the man. You fight back against power. That's what we stand for. Not getting mad because you did a Chinese man impression on a podcast appearance or whatever. Okay.

I want to come back to. I want to come back to what Dan, that was Danny Doge talking right now. If you wonder who he is, he's an ad executive who works in Democratic talk show stuff. And he used to, he used to be a judge on the fucking apprentice, okay? And if you're wondering, my reading what's going on to these Democratic consultants sort of pitch meetings, I think everyone thinks it's like a woman doing like a long white paper presentation on how to not do heteronormativity and like a Father's Day social media post. But it's like maybe like one of that lady and nine of this guy. Right. So before he wins the argument, I want to.

talk about what he's trying to say because I've now seen at least two or three major Democratic leaders use openly transribic rhetoric and it feels like a very fucking dark trend to me because like there's no evidence that this did anything in the election and it's very bad to like just pick a minority group and throw them into a fucking woodchipper to try to save your own ass like Seth Moulton Democratic Congressman from Massachusetts I think had a top aide resign after he tried to do the well I'm for trans rights but against a boys playing girl bullshit or whatever, which is like none of this is about sports. You don't have to fucking, you don't have to like, you don't have to like, you don't

have to like buy into that frame. It's not about that. If you wonder how this goes, I mentioned it on Friday, but like, you can go look at what's happening with the labor party in the UK who's leaned hard into anti-immigrant and anti-trans rhetoric and they would not win the election if it was held today. Tories would be back in power. It doesn't fucking work. It's also just completely cowardly.

And I understand people like using human shields to save your miserable job and all these people are willing to sacrifice human lives to stop Trump, but it's never their fucking own. And that drives me insane. Like, so, like, like, like, saying it's trans people's fault, like, or, like, the, like, Democrats need to abandon, like, any sort of

human rights issue is not the way to go for me. No. I agree. Because, like, trans people didn't do anything to make themselves the topic of conversation. They literally were just out there just existing and then one day everybody hated them. Like, they woke up one day. It was like, everybody hates you now.

And it's because they just found out that you exist and they need somebody to hate. And that's all. They never really did anything at all and still happens. They didn't ask, they didn't ask that campaign. They weren't asking for anything, right? Right. But it's out there vaguely being trans, I guess, at us somehow. And I don't fucking understand what people are.

Right. Like, so like, let's be clear what happened to make this a topic of conversation. It was Trump's acts, okay? So that was it. Yeah. They didn't ask to be the subject of Trump's ads. They weren't asking anything of Donald Trump, right? And like, like, so they spent $240 million on these ads, okay?

And there's no evidence they did anything except for the Trump campaign did a press tour saying they worked. They said in their focus group to move 3% of votes. But also, these are people like, like, this is Don Draper selling ad shit. It's basically a guy being like, I told everyone, I told everyone that my idea that made me rich was great and it worked. But it's worth noting that. Trump did worse in the swing states that were blanketed with these fucking ads.

There's not even any proof that it moved any votes in a helpful way for Donald Trump. It just jended up, hey, it might have motivated his base because a lot of them are fucking hateful. But, like, there's no evidence that it did anything. So, like, this prescription that Democrats need to get less votes. And, like, let's pretend it is just about sports for a second here because I think a lot of people are convinced that it is. And you and are big sports fans and sports have weight classes in the fighting sports for a reason. It's unfair to have a bigger person fight a smaller person.

Everyone agrees with that, okay? But the idea, like, so Michigan Republicans tried to pass a bill a couple years ago to stop trans kids from kids from playing sports that was not the gender, they had a birth or whatever. Yeah. Okay. They called around to see how many kids that were, there were two, because we're talking about trans girls here. There were two kids in the entire state of Michigan who were playing sports in school. Right.

But there were thousands of girls who were playing boys sports because there wasn't a team for them to play on. right so they pulled the bill because it would have done was screw of a girl we never said human interest stories about a girl kicking for the boys team or whatever or like they like we had a co-ed soccer team in my high school because there weren't enough girls to fail a team well it's not even just that I mean it's those girls but it's also girls that are like that um shit where was she from the boxer in the Olympics from uh uh Algeria Algeria yeah right like girls that are like that are like strong and and, you know, athletic and stuff

and not like traditionally feminine or whatever, they get, like, they get fucked over with laws like this too, because they get and then they just end up checking every girl, every, like, teen girls underwear. That's the danger of the fuck is going on. And it's like, there's so few.

Just to stop two girls from, or two trans girls from playing sports and all that, that collateral damage is worth all that to y'all for a made up problem. It's because people are so psychotic about youth sports, like, because of the dude, two kids in the entire state of Michigan were playing sports, you're going to get 10,000 girls subject to force general checks

because parents are mad about their kids getting beat. So the only way to win this game is to not fucking play it. And like, so anybody, but like half states in the country have passed like bands on transmedical care for either kids or adults altogether. Florida has a law about bathrooms again. Like the idea this is just about sports is fucking ridiculous. And like somebody needs to stand up for human beings to be alive.

and I like that if the Democrats are going to fucking blame trans people don't think everything else is the same I'm going to fucking lose my shit and as far as Harris's part in this so some of this is coming from like exit polls show that like way more people thought that Kamala Harris was too liberal than thought Donald Trump was too conservative I don't understand

what thinking about this stuff in terms of left right means anymore when you got most Democrats are in favor of like have a libertarian stance and like online gambling but Republicans want to ban like rfk junior says it wants to outlaw mountain do what's the fucking left right paradigm there to which anyone can make sense of any of this shit anymore okay um her platform if anyone cares was pretty fucking moderate like the small medicare expansion would have been

nice but she ran on fucking tax cuts so the two liberal thing is like she is vaguely californian and educated and a woman of color and all of that but like it's that it's that it's straight up just branding, right? It's like, I think the main thing is that she ran with a deed beside her name or whatever. And it's like, that's just how people interpret. Because I remember having arguments with, when I lived to Tennessee all the time, having arguments with people who like hated Obama during his second, conservative friends of mine or what, and the whole thing being like, look, dude,

I'm pissed at Obama too. But what you don't understand is that I'm pissed at him because he's way too moderate. He's nowhere near left enough for me. And they couldn't even, because they never. Reminds, he was the most, he was a straight up communist, like a communist, Muslim Antichrist level leftist. Like, that's genuinely how they saw him. And it was never, he couldn't have been further from that.

And that is just, it's still going on today. And I'm saying, I don't know how to, I don't know how to fix that with most people. I was in a bar the night that Obama gave his announcement saying they'd killed bin Laden. And this guy, like, we were in Texas sites. lived at the time. This guy was like got up face to face. The big screen team was flipping him off, cussing him out. And I was like, bro, are you mad they killed Osama bin Laden? I'm trying to figure out what the fuck is upset about right now. And I don't know, man. A lot of people are fucking lost. It's like, it's like, you can't even really debate them. But like, but like,

like, like, you go look at all the words. The Kamala Harris said about trans issues during the campaign. It might fill up like a paragraph. It wasn't a big, it wasn't a big issue in her platform. And like, it might have been because, because politicians are human starting. guns. It might have made life worse for trans people. She had made it some sort of campaign issue. The only thing I remember her saying about it was like that when she was asked about the surgery, taxpayer-funded surgeries in prisons, which is just a stance that people in prison get health care, she made the point that, well, I would follow the law as president. By the way, Donald Trump followed the same law when he was president. So like there's nothing, there's nothing

she did that was woke. But like a bunch of people pretending she ran a campaign based upon identity politics when she the only person that mentioned she was black the whole fucking time was Trump. Also, at the same time there was nothing that Joe Biden did to ruin our

economy or whatever. In fact, the economy was mostly good and inflation was lower here than in most places, but the perception was that the economy is terrible because bread is so expensive or whatever and that was as far as most people got and it didn't matter what any of the, because the truth is not

the truth ain't even relevant no more. Like the truth is just shaped by how people get their information and what is feeding them. And that's related to what I was trying to say a minute ago. I don't know how to get all this across, but I'm saying so many people are already too far gone. But it's like I do think the identity politics part of it, I do think it matters like culturally when it comes to like all these Gen Z kids and shit that are so far down the rabbit hole now when it's like when they're 16 and they make a gay joke on Twitter or whatever happens. and then someone, you know, goes at them hard for that and they're overly sensitive and their little cry babies or whatever. But then they, because of that, they're like, well, fuck you and they instead turn towards that right-wing ecosystem when they're young and can't even vote yet, but they spend five, six years in that. And by that time that they're voting age, they're like, it's over.

Whereas, like, when I was a kid, it was like kind of the opposite. Like the stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like the stuff that appealed to. two boys my age and shit back then was shit like the Daily Show and everything. And so it's like, it's like a culture war thing is what I'm saying. The Democratic Party, I don't know because they get blamed for shit they're not even actually doing. But what do you want to do about like somebody on TikTok shaming somebody?

What's the government supposed to do about it? Right? Like like how you build a political movement around everyone being like reactionary about some feminist on TikTok, making a joke about a guy having a small dick and becoming like a radicalizing phenomenon you can't do anything about it like it's like we got a fair way to return to like some sort

of material discussion of like of stuff because like we're going to talk about the economy a lot in a bit in a minute and like there's like the macro indicators were like we were on a good path sort of but also things are too expensive and people's wages aren't keeping up and like all that stuff's

true it just didn't get fixed fast enough and like anyways it's we'll get to in a second but like to finish this off for a second, this topic, if Kamala Harris, instead of just being quiet about it, which you can spin

is either cynically smart, actually helpful to try to keep trans people from being such a contentious issue or just cowardly, however you want to think about it, if she had come out for like a national ban on like, on trans girls playing boys sports,

trans girls playing girls sports, they would have said she was lying or pandering. It would have made a difference. She could have beheaded a trans person on live. television and the right wing would have said well it's just one she's still woke right and it's like because all this stuff is manufactured like because it's not a real issue the hope is here Trump can just say he solved it and we can all fucking move on but like you because it's all

manufactured bullshit you got to figure out a way to disarm or rebut the manufacturer bullshit or we're just going to leave here for a second by the way yes people have done this and Andy Bashir and Tony Ever's got hit with this stuff and remains super popular in states that Trump just one that just don't talk about like sophomore sociology majors but here, wrote another op-ed in New York Times today where he once again quoted the Bible about loving all God's children. And he fucking gets reelected by decent margins in Kentucky. And even if you did, here's my appeal, okay? I've made the case that it didn't have any electoral impact or not the ones people pretending that it did. Trans people are human, that

there should be a party that stands up for minority rights. Even if you threw trans people under the bus, they'll just find another group to fearmonger about. Yeah. I mean, they've been That's been their whole MO for as long as any of us have ever been alive in before that. Like they just, that's how they ended up on trans people. They, you know, moved from, you know, black people to gay people. And then black people in the 80s to gay people in the 90s, don't even wrong. They kept hating both of those groups. But then as those groups got more and more rights, it became less socially acceptable to hate them publicly.

They moved on to the next one. And when that happened with gay people, when gay marriage getting legalized and all that, then the next step was they found out about trans people. And they're like, well, that's going to be the boogeman then. And immigrants are always, like, they always come in and out of the cycle, the cycle of hatred. So that's nothing new either. They just jump started another fearmongering panic two weeks ago about Mauritans. I have never in my life thought about, there's no offense to my Mauritian brothers and sisters.

I've never in my life thought about Mauritans. I'm not aware what the racist jokes about Mauritians are or what the stereotypes about them are. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, it, it just, you got to figure a way to rebut bullshit instead of just fucking surrendering to it. Otherwise, we're just always going to be fucking stuck here. And it'll be like, when they start, be able to replace amputees with, uh, you know, fix their stuff with robot parts. So be stereotypes about half robot people about their not, they're not, they're not human souls and they'll start getting oppressed. It was like, the shit will never fucking stop, man. And I'm just like,

would urge people, we're doing this blame game. to focus your ire at the powerful fucking people who fucked us and they're going to continue to fuck us and not your fellow American citizens who are also going to be fucked alongside you. Okay. So there's that been worse than you, right? I'm a straight white guy. I'm not, that doesn't, it's not lost on me that I will probably be fine outside of the

economic collapse part of this. And that's, uh, sucks. It sucks to see people you care about suffer, man. yeah well that's the thing too is it's like the whole like I feel like one of the only coping mechanisms available is not not hoping at the end of the day I I really like I it would be great if America just hit real hard

in every way and things like went great even with Trump as president would that be a little hard for me to swallow on a personal level yes but I have children I live here if things actually by some miracle did go well that would be awesome I would be all for that but like I don't at all believe that's going to happen and the idea of like we said people the American electorate the people the people between the 45 yard lines all that they're highly reactionary and the idea that if all these things if it does become catastrophic if it does get as bad as a lot of us think it's going to get like surely that will have some kind of impact on the same people who were so mad about milk and egg prices you know a week ago right like if that happens with this administration because I mean you could argue that's also that's kind of what happened with in 2020 like people thought it was like a repudiation however small of Trump and everything he stood for but really it was more just like

things had gone to shit big time with him in office when the 2020 election happened and he got punished for it he lost and it's like when you look at all the incumbents around the world who lost because of inflation and all that it's like it just seems like that maybe might be most of what it comes down to at the end of the day. So, you know. I hadn't thought about this way because we talked about, I'm trying to repeat myself on Friday's show a bunch.

We talked about all the, you know, the every kind of incumbent party around the world, Western democracies getting, getting, getting, shit wrecked on both sides, right? Some of them are,

right center, wherever. Yeah, right. So, like, but I hadn't thought about this way, but I saw somebody make the point today that it's like,

cell phones are part of this because they're just outraged machines. So it's possible that an incumbent party never fucking wins again because everyone's just so constantly mad and unsatisfied. There will always be something to be mad about, yeah, no matter who's in charge. Yeah, I could buy that. That sucks, but I can buy that. Yeah. So let's talk about Democrats and where there might go from here and where they should go

from here. The transphobia thing, I think, will pass. I think once they get hardcore electoral data and they sit in their feelings for another moment or two, they'll let go of that. But so much shit is fucking failed this man. Media courts, Biden's Justice Department. of Congress. Today we're going to focus mostly on the Democratic Party, including some self-flagellation on my part because I fucking got, I got took, man. I got took. I got shit on it for never being hopeful enough. And I decided to try for my own mental health to try. And then, unfortunately, my lizard brain was correct the whole time. Ain't that just the way? That's what hope will do to. It's the hope that gets you, really. It's a Tennessee sports fan and a lifelong Democrat from the South. It's the hope that really fucks you over at the end of the time. So you can basically divide the post-election reactions of people in power and the Democratic Party

into two groups, genuine attempts to grapple with reality of which there are a few, and then the larger group of soothing rationalizations of what just happened, which will allow people in power to continue on in their nice lives. And that's what we should all push back against. I learned a new word the other day. Another term, sorry, it's called pathological presentism, coined by a writer by the name of Mike Davis. I think we'll all. immediately clock to be living this reality that the basic idea is everyone's making all calculations on the basis of short-term bottom lines in order to allow the super rich to consume all the good things of the earth within their lifetimes leads to an inability to understand

global change and rulers who are blind to the need for change and yeah I mean you can sort of like you walk through everyone's decision-making from like you know the people that run public companies to government institutions to political parties you can all you can understand they're short-term thinking, but there's nothing beyond that. Like, Trump thinks two minutes ahead, and the Democrats think maybe 30 minutes ahead. And there's not really a big concern for, like, the long-term future at all, not even really their own electoral standing outside of what a poll is going to say a week from now. And I'm guilty of this, too, all right? Because losing side of the big picture, every decision that the Harris campaign was making and Biden before her had a lot.

had a logic to it. But, like, my basic thinking was I hope we could muddle through this era of Donald Trump being a fucking emergency until he stroked out in a toilet. And then we could fix all this, all right? It was a kind of cope. And I got things in the wrong fucking order. You needed to fix it to prevent Trump from being able to fucking return. And by it, I means, like, you know, we, we,

In times a crisis, I think it's important to return to first principles. And I think the government should do more left-wing economic policy and protect more people and make people's quality of lives better in direct and seeable ways for them. And I had sort of deluded myself into thinking that the little bit of stuff, the stuff that Biden was doing was going to lead to longer-term change when he wasn't, in fact, just skipping head to doing the, direct stuff as much as he should have been doing. You know what I'm saying? No, I mean, no, go on. What do you mean?

Like, okay. So like incrementalism, you're like, oh, this could. I was willing to let them try it because like, okay, for example, like he expanded Medicaid and said a lot of important ways, but he also clawed it back from people in some ways. But also like the COVID safety net expansion that happened, they should have fought tooth and nail to keep every drop of that. Now, I'm not delusional.

But like, like, so for example, the debate over the child tax credit, when they locked it in in 2020, 2020, I forget. It had no work requirement, which I hate fucking means testing

bullshit. Okay. Joe Manchin fucking hated it. Also, people, even people who got the child

tax credit hated that it didn't have a work requirement. It polled fucking awfully. So they let it expire.

And I was like, but don't believe what people are saying in fucking polls because they're going to be mad about you taking away from them

even if they don't like the lack of a work requirement. Right? So like, you've got to stop following short-term polls so what the Democrats are going to tell themselves now coming out of this is well we did all the

you know stuff to help deliverism stuff to help people and they fucking voted against it so what the fuck you're going to do? I'm like what they didn't think you did so like you should have just done it you lost anyway and so this other part of this like if you're going to lose

anyway you might as well instead of being like well we lost anyway we might as well do the wrong thing maybe we'll win it's like no if you lost anyway you might as well do the fucking right thing why is that nobody's thinking it was just too much work i don't know it's just always you know plan not to lose i guess and being reactionary and all that like um the cautiousness is going we're going to die of consciousness basically is what's happening right now um i did want to say like to like the limits of messaging because people don't talk about messaging a lot like where they

use the right poll tested buzzwords and i i saw i think for the most part me of course a lot of people get their news from ticot and shit and like i don't know i'm sure what the fucking solution is to that but like i saw an interview with the guy and who had gotten the message about how Trump is the new Hitler. He had heard it and conceded it. And he said, I do not like his authoritarian Hitler, you know, instincts. I understand that he's kind of like the next Hitler, but I voted for him anyway. And it was because he thinks he's going to like economically rejuvenate the Rust Belt.

Now, I don't understand that. What do you think that even? But, yeah. I know Joe Biden had tried, like he passed a lot of infrastructure stuff that had opened factories back. up in the Rust Belt, but if what, like, we only get four years now if every incumbent party is going to get, they've got a huge chance of getting voted out. So you just got to fucking do it faster? I don't know, man. It's also, it's just, it is like, instead of like, and again, I, to me, in my head, I, I try to think I'm a very practical person. To me,

the message of the alternative is horrific. We are not that. At least give us this much. Like, to me, that is effective because of how much I fear the alternative. But to most people, it's evidently not. And it's like people do want, you. know change like people don't like the status quo and haven't for a long time like Obama was a huge change candidate in 2018 massively and then Trump to in Trump and Trump and Bernie in the primaries and Bernie had all this juice right and then it didn't didn't turn out that way and then Trump was a change guy and a lot of Bernie people went for Trump but it's like it's not you can't just be like no things were pretty okay and we

should mostly keep them the way where they are and just not let them get worse you know versus like no fuck that I hate to say it, drain the swamp or whatever, but like... Unerrically drain the swamp. Right. Yeah. Like, no, fuck all. It's been bad on both sides.

And we got a fucking clean house and that's not good enough anymore and start doing better for people and like be proactive and actually progressive and run on like change and shit instead of just like, we'll keep things as kind of okay as they sort of have been for a while instead of letting the world fall apart. Like, again, that worked well enough for me. but it clearly don't work for most people. Like, you've got to be more than that. And if the next Democratic president realized they might have to break a few norms to get shit done, like, you know, scrap, work your ass off to scrap the filibuster pressure people.

Now I'd just be like, well, I don't want to break into filibuster, be like, well, what are you going to do? Joe Manchin says no. The Senate pro-eventarian says no. I mean, it's like you've got to go faster or we're all going to die. So there are a lot of interesting asymmetries here because, like, it's kind of,

it's interesting watching like this, the, you know, the crisis of faith Democrats really do not feel they ever have a mandate to govern, even when they win a landslide election. Trump teams think he has a mandate because he won by like a point, a point a half. We haven't still on the final popular vote titles. But like Democrats have to losing about a point and a half or like a brand is worse than pole pots. We need to make an example with executions. And Republicans have to losing by four and a half or like, let's run the same guy again.

It's fucking the difference between the parties. It's like at least most people, I know there's election denialism right now, but at least most people are accepting reality. But part of the emotional reaction to it and anger is like the stakes are way different. Republicans don't really believe that Joe Biden's going to kill them or whatever. So even no matter what they say. So like they lose to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, it's not that big of a fucking deal. But losing to Trump is a disaster. So it's not about rebuilding a party that can never lose by two points.

It's about rebuilding a party that can never lose to Donald Trump by two points. This is like if Air Force went oh and two in wars against the United States Air Force. when oh and two in wars against lichtenstein he'd be like bro what the fuck you guys doing man this is like a horrific fuck up like we need like a different strategy different equipment I do agree with that but it would be if like that happened but lichtenstein had the entire weight of not just Russia but 60% of the most of the richest people on earth or whatever behind fair enough yeah you know what I mean like but yeah I hear you because again I just like coming back to that man where it's like that

is I think one of the biggest problem you're like I don't know what you're supposed to do but I don't know who these people are maybe they don't exist maybe that's why we're losing but it's like all these people that have all this money and power and influence and they use it to prop up all these stories about Russia paying fucking right wing shit talkers $400,000 a month and stuff like that

and I'm not just saying this because you and I are left wing shit talkers that's not the only reason I'm saying it but like that should also be happening like because even the playing field like it's not I know it's like on a campaign to campaign level she had had and spent more raised had and spent more money than he did or whatever but like when you look at the bigger picture with the reality that's sculpted for people what people believe and people like Elon Musk and Rupert Rupert Murdoch and all these people and the influence and Joe Rogan and the influence that they have like we're just we're getting whipped on that front the left is getting destroyed as far as that part goes and it's like I don't know exactly out of fix it. But if there's any super rich people out there that care about

it for any reason, they need to be trying to figure it out, or they're going to be strung up with the rest of them whenever the revolution finally comes. I don't know. By the way, Rogan endorsed Bernie in 2020. Like, it's not like, it's like the idea that like we need a left wing Joe Rogan thing is a little

bit overstated to me because like, yeah, Zoomer guys are a bit reactionary right now. Maybe they're out of it, maybe they don't. And going back to we were talking about people being able to joke or whatever like young men typically young white men especially till you have an edge lord phase that they mature out of and that's like whatever but like the magic of rogan to the extent he has he's he doesn't talk about politics a lot it's like a three-hour podcast we're joking around

talking about sports and m-ma or whatever than occasionally talks about that's true and i thought the thing is i was i've always been the one who's a joe rogan apologist for most of the time but i'm saying like the people that are adjacent to him the people in his fucking orbit that people find through him and stuff and get roped into and some of those people are not like that and are way worse but again i'm not trying to just keep harping on this but you're right like young men they do have an edge lord phase that they naturally go through and i'm saying that we because i think all the time about shit i did and said when i was that age i never want people to hear i'm so glad there's not tape of it or whatever so shamed of it as a 38-year-old man but i always was a big lefty

even then and i'm saying back then being an edge lord did not push me in one political direction. Do you understand what I'm saying? Whereas now that's become part of the philosophy or the alignment politically is I knew a lot of edge lord leftists. Because you know, you've been an edge lord and fucking talk about how Jesus is gay and fuck Jesus. That was edge lord stuff, but it was lefty edge lord stuff when I was a kid. Now edge lords are like automatically aligned with the right from an early age. And I don't know exactly how to fix that, but I'm saying I think that's a part of the problem.

It's like, I mean like I understand what you're saying. I just I just don't think that's in the top 10 problems. Like it's a problem for women who want to find a guy to marry in their 20s. It's not a, I don't think it's an electoral problem for America. Well, electorally maybe not. But I mean, Zoomers aren't going anywhere, right? What if they don't? But what I'm saying is like the part you're describing is like there's not like the

Manosphere is it's like there's nothing I don't know what anyone outside that bubble can do to pierce it like you can't you can't build your own because it's built to run guys who were into like MMA and football and lifting weights and then that are baited into being anti-feminist because it's just like kind of cool or whatever and I don't know what it but anyway I want to get back so you talk about MMA and football and shit like that without being one of those people. MMA is super right wing. There's nothing they can't exist as a phenomenon. You can't make left wing MMA content. You just can't do it. It doesn't exist. I could try it. Mark, don't tell me I couldn't do it. Good luck. Good luck with it. Anyway, go ahead. So,

sorting through the records of this and trying to make sense of it is part of this, we've got to concede, like one of the reasons I think returning to first principles is important here. What does the party stand for? And where should it go? Because you can't really make sense of a lot of these results. For example, we look at states where Kamala Harris won, I mean, tell Harris lost, I'm sorry. Jackie Rosen won the Senate seat in Nevada with fewer votes than Kamala got when she lost. Same with Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin. Same with Alyssa Slotkin in Michigan. They got less votes than Kamala Harris in one state she lost. Elisa Slotkin has an Ivy League degree and worked for the CIA. So plug that into your we hate elites machine and tell me what

the fuck happened there. Okay. The best. guess anyone has is like if you want to like a little bit of cope here it's possible that Trump has a potential to be even less popular the second time around for a lot of reasons but in 2016 he basically converted Obama Trump voters into a straight ticket Republican voters but they did not do that this time a lot of people either voted for a Democratic senator and Donald Trump or walked in and just voted for Donald Trump and walked out I don't know what to make of that but somebody's going to try to make sense of it at some point okay and while I'm about we're about to make the case that they should do more left-wing economic populism.

I got to concede here some electoral reality stuff. This could be because people are propagandized. It could be because of how they feel. It could be just a general, like, anti-in-combat movement. But I got to, like, point out that fucking California just voted maybe to prevent raising minimum wage or so count of votes, but the propositions, the ballot measures losing. Californians definitely voted to lock more people up for being drug addicts.

They also voted to fucking keep slavery legal. in California, okay? So specifically, it's the, if you go to prison, you can be a slave, basically, right? That's the, don't get wrong, I voted against slavery, just won't ever put that on the record. I did. Yeah, and I'm opposed to it. Yeah. But it's this thing, we talked about this before, too.

I did, I ran into it so many times. Somebody who has felons and his family or whatever, and I've posted and talked about prison rights and prisoners and stuff over the years. the right and left, the right way more so, but there's tons of people on the left in this country who have, they have like no sympathy whatsoever for any kind of criminal or felon or what. There's a bloodlust in America for people who fuck up criminally. And even a lot of people on the left, like if you are a felon,

you break the law at a felonious level, sorry, you've just forfeited the rest of your life and nobody really gives a fuck about you. And you should be thrown in the trash for the rest of your existence. as far as most of this country is concerned. That's just the reality. Like even in a state like California, that's just how it's a cultural thing with this country, I guess.

But it's like, it's very real. And I hate it. I hate it. And we're going to get to like maybe we need elite kind of ability to vet people's bloodlust at people who fucking deserve it. It's somebody who just got hooked on pills or something or whatever. So like,

satisfy the bloodlust with a guillotine. Yeah. That's a good idea. It'd be healthy for society. But like, I'm trying to square the circle here of people who are like, we have to secure the border because my poor sainted family members have gotten hooked on drugs and fentanyl,

but also people that do fentanyl should do 30 years in prison because that doesn't make any fucking sense to me. So anyway, yeah, the prison slaves are mostly used in California besides making T-shirts for, you know, what do you call it, the underwear company with a fruit, fruit of the loom. My T-shirts are fruit of the loom, they also used to fight wildfires. And because Trump's not going to give any FEMA assistance,

sense to California. We probably do need the wildfire slave, so we need some volunteers to commit more felonies, maybe get locked up for fentanyl so we have some firefighters. So, also talking about through the looking glass, some to concede here that I don't know how to make sense of. While California voted hell of a reactionary, the, the populist ballot initiative seemed to do better in red states, like Missouri got family leave, and I can't make any fucking sense of this shit, dude.

So anyway, this is why we're talking to get back to the first principal. because trying to parse through this and come up with the strategy is fucking stupid so it's why it's important to have values because you can never stray from those, right? The overarching problem hangover everything that impacted this election is just fucking money.

Oh, of course, absolutely. Just money, dude. Dark money, this cycle, $4.5 billion, just in dark money. It's not what was spent by the campaigns. That's up from $3 billion just four years ago. So 50% increase in four years from what was a record, at that point,

a record amount, okay? And it's hard to be optimistic about this shit because everyone involved win or lose is getting their cut. Like, the Harris campaign outraised Trump a billion dollars to $400 million in total and she only had 100 days to do it.

A lot of people that work for the Harris campaign are going to be buying big ass boats off this fucking shit. And they will be hired. Yeah, I think it's weird about that to me. I mean, I was going to say maybe it's because I live in California, but that honestly makes even less sense to me. I feel like because California is so, such a foregone conclusion

as a blue state but like watching football games while living in California I just saw so many political ads and I feel like I saw way more Trump ads than Harris ads I saw Harris ads but like the Trump ad about the she's for they them he's for us or whatever and all the like transphobic ads you're talking about earlier maybe it's just because I notice them more because I hate them so much but like I just felt I was endlessly inundated with those so to find out that they had an almost three to one advantage, you know, it's like, I don't, I mean, where did that, where did that go? What did they use it for? Well, I don't know who paid,

that could have been dark money, which case. Oh, you're right. Yeah, those could be packs and shit. Yeah, no, yeah, you're right. That's a good point. Yeah. But also, like, spend on in California is about, like, like, like, a lot of, there are a lot of California Republicans in the House, right? That's the, that's part of it, too. So it's about down-dicket stuff. So, yeah, the fact that a bunch of Democrat, Democratic consultants got rich off this is I find I find dispiriting because like you know the old mark I think it's Mark Twain quote it's hard to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends upon him not understanding it but the rest of us who don't make a profit off the system should definitely demand they do everything possible to get fucking money out of politics I know that that's going to be tough without you know killing half the Supreme Court or whatever but like I don't but I don't know how we get move forward in this type of situation may neither but so many people that are in power have gotten there because of money and politics and they're still influenced by money in politics and they are the people who could get money out of politics. So other than your stray Bernie or AOC or whatever who pops up every once in a blue moon

and that type of thing, you know, who's going to fucking make that happen? Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. That's the number one problem really at the end of the day, but I don't see any real hope for that getting fixed or anything in the near future. Right. So the campaign's broke, by the way. They raised a billion dollars and they were fucking broke. I don't know where the fuck the money went.

They spent six figures redecorating a hotel room so she could tape that Call Her Daddy Podcast. They apparently spent $20 million in a concert series. Billy Corbyn, the filmmaker. What the fuck is that, dude? Anyway, all right. Go ahead. Yeah. Do you know Billy Corbin is?

He's a documentary filmmaker. He made a cocaine cowboys. No, that's Billy Corrigan. Yeah, yeah. Billy Corbyn made cocaine cowboys, all right? He's also a big, he was, he made, he resigned from Miami Day Democrat Party. He's from Florida this morning. He wrote a pretty scathing resignation letter.

I want to quote from here. The Florida and Miami Day Democrats have been hijacked and held hostage by a consultant cartel and complicit leadership who exploit the hard work of dedicated members and volunteers to destroy the party for your own power and profit. These are no longer legitimate political organizations. They are at best social clubs, and it works. cesspools of incompetent grifter as an opportunist. You've become the Washington generals of politics.

Controlled opposition paid to lose. You're about vanity and money, not doing the necessary work to win elections. This is just another Miami hustle. The kind of cabal and make a documentary about not be a part of. Yeah, as a side note, Miami-Dade heavily favored Trump, right? They got their, Trump won Miami-Dade County, which was wild. That was one of the first big harbingers of doom when that happened. Yeah, he's talking about the Democrats.

I think a lot of people think that, like, there's a lot of people at the top in Big Democrat who, yeah, it's like being in the position they're in, constantly losing and going on and on about how awful things are and how we need to do better and fight back or whatever, but losing while doing it so nothing ever changes. They're in a position to keep bitching or whatever, that there's a lot of people in positions of power of the Democratic Party who, like, that's what they want. That's what they like. They like that being the case. You know, that they're really not interested in winning. Right. They're not interesting.

It's like Chris Rock's a little bit about how like the money's not in the cure for a disease. The money's in the medicine or whatever. Like if they actually fix a lot of this stuff, they'd be out of the fucking job. But as it stands, they're going to be in constant because nothing ever changes and nothing ever gets better. So it serves. The cure for this would be running a bunch of candidates who are for getting money out of politics.

But guess what that would do? We'll cut off their fucking gravy train. And Corbin makes the point in this piece that these are the people in charge of recruiting candidates they're picking the candidates who then hire them so like it did like the idea like this is just like no way to run anything um so like these the people who are going be telling democrats they're trans people who run to the bus and they'll be able to win next time when really the solution is to fire these motherfuckers right and so when they're first started being reports coming out of because when harris's campaign first started and she named walls and all that

there was a lot of optimism and we even said on the show we're like you're making all the right moves and then a week or two after that the reports started coming out of these consultants taking over these old Democrat consultants taking over and shifting things and you said at the time you were like this is not good and I'm not saying it would have mattered

at the end of the day or would have like made the difference but it definitely didn't fucking help and these people have way too much power and yeah drain the swamp dude they need to go the Democrats need to clean house it's like a full scale rebuild in professional sports or something

You need a clean house, coach, GM, everybody, and start over from the fucking ground up, draft a new quarterback in the first rounds. You know, you need to do all that shit. And I would say that there are people with true, like, progressive beliefs who are active in democratic politics who are trying to fucking make a difference here. But the problem is, like, and this is the counterintuitive take, considering the party just got wiped out an election. But I think we need to make the tent a little bit smaller when it comes to, like, the ideas people. Because it's not really clear what the Democratic Party stands for, because oftentimes it's very, it's very, muddy because a bunch of people or the candidates who were selected by these fucking consultants say a bunch of million miles shit but again I'm not trying to be too

arrogant here a bunch of people that did that ran like Republicans won right so like whatever maybe I don't fucking know shit but here's a quote but Selinda the Lake a Democratic pollster on talking to focus groups quote everyone knows what Trump economics is China tariffs tax cuts then you go to them and ask what are Democratic economics and someone make a joke about welfare and half the people can't name anything. It's nothing like the Republican brand. All right.

So I'm not sure how you wrangle a herd to cast a Democratic Party into a cogent message about left-wing populism, but somebody has to start fucking figuring it out. We've got to skip ahead a little bit here, but like I say, the people give it like, look, if you start, depending on how you squint, look at it, if you start from the premise,

the Democratic, anybody associated with the incumbent party and the presidency was inherently fucked, you can squint and say they did an admirable job here because she lost, like, her coattails weren't super negative, and she lost the swing states by less than she lost the other states that Trump won.

She can sort of say that all the organizing helped. They're spending a billion dollars on door knockers helped, yada, yada, yada, yada. You can squint and say that, but also, people are going to die because you lost. And that's worth to keep in mind here, okay? So I did see exactly three reputable ranking Democrats actually be

an introspective, which is more than I expected, this early. I do want to say at the time we were like, why the fuck is she campaigning with Liz Cheney still don't get it? I can't point to that it at it cost her much, but I can tell her, it looks like she got less Republican votes than Biden did a couple years ago. So whatever it did, it didn't do fucking much. And if you're wondering how Trump gets to be seen as a political outsider when he

was an incumbent president four years ago and he's standing beside the richest guy in America, it's because he's not standing next to the people that got us into fucking Iraq okay um so in time about a certain kind of democrats never gonna fucking learn anything richie torres fucking new york congressman said it wasn't liz talking about liz chaney was aOC a guy he's on a first name biz uh name in their first name base is liz cheney but i do want to say to richie torres it was a o c that's what he said it wasn't liz it was a o c there were people that voted for a o c that voted for fucking trump she had a bunch of crossover voters right so So, like, the idea that she doesn't know how to win in this environment, he does is fucking stupid.

But let me talk about some more vote totals here. I'm saying those guys, Democrats like that, dude, that's, they got to go or adapt. Right. Because they're the fucking problem, man. Or just shut the fuck up, man. Like, like, if you want some data here, AOC got more votes in her district that Kamla had, a Kamala did. Richie Torres got less votes in his district than Kamala did.

And like you said, AOC asked her constituents, she actually talks, her constituents. That's a fucking crazy thing for a politician to do, right? And let me read, she asked some of her people who voted for both her and Donald Trump. Why'd you do that? And let me read you some quotes. It's real simple. Trump and you care for the working class. I feel like you and Trump are both real. I'd see. I was like, I would have voted for you and Trump, but I live in California. This is like, so like the idea, like, I don't know what to tell people, man. Like people want to the consultants wanted to be one way, but it's the other way.

And if you ever wondered, like we did, we had best guesses, but if you wonder why she stopped Kamala Harris stopped going so hard rhetorically on press gaugers, though, to be fair, it was still in a lot of her paid media, and why Tim Walz got yanked from the fucking mound, like a pitcher who gave up five runs in the first inning, even though he was doing great. Let me quote here from this piece in the Atlantic. These are source to people, these are Biden deadenders, so you can take whatever they say with a grain of salt because a lot of them have, you know, hard feet. feelings about the way it ended for old Joe.

Okay. While Harris was stuck defending the Biden economy and howled by lingering anger over inflation, attacking big business allowed her to go on the offense, then quite suddenly this strain of populism disappeared. One Biden aide told me that Harris steered away from such hard-edged messaging at the urging of her brother-in-law, Tony West, who was Uber's chief legal officer. To win the support of CEOs Harris jettisoned, a strong argument that deflected detention from one of her weakest issues.

Instead, the campaign elevated Mark Cuban as one of his chief surrogates, the sort of rich guy she'd recently attacked. So, Conlon Harris didn't choose a brother-in-law, obviously, and I understand she loves her family, but also, I think Uber's an evil company, and taking his advice on political messaging, feels at best like Bray or Rabbit telling you to throw him in the barrage patch, you know? And I want to say, like, a lot of these people want to be able to be able to. to talk out of both sides of their mouth because they want to be able to kind of regulate these industries and also get hired by them as a lobbyist or on their board after they leave

office or be able to go to parties with them and shit and I want to say that's a cool thing about fucking Bernie Sanders he would never fucking go to a cocktail party okay right when he start voting for fucking cremudgeons you don't care if people like them okay and like like like part of yeah one thing that sucks that makes Bernie so special and people like him is The people like that don't want that job or don't want to have to deal with that world. Do you know what I mean? They don't want to, they have no draw towards their social workers and shit. They help people on like a day-to-day basis in their real lives.

They don't, they, they're not drawn to the fucking the fame and the power and the spotlight and dealing with all the bullshit that comes with big politics. And so we're in, we end up with what's left except for a few, like precious few, you know. Yeah. Um, we have a lot. I don't, yeah, we had too much to talk about. Once again, I'll save some of this for next week because we'll talk about this for a while, I guess. But the rest of it was going to be, I think a path forward

and I'm not, like, I'm not, I'm not, it's not enough to think that campaigning a left-wing economics would, like, be some immediate electoral winner. Like, we read on, like, so on, like, you know, Medicare for all that that would immediately be some panacea that, like, everyone would vote for because people don't trust it and they don't trust the party brand. And I was going to make a whole argument for the way to do it was

what the stuff Biden administration was starting to do more of, which is antitrust and go after corporate villains. So then people trust you'd be on their side. Then you can do the other stuff. But I do want to quote this FD. Here's a speech FDR gave in 1936 in Madison Square Garden. A lot of Madison Square Garden political events coming up here lately. Quote, we had to struggle with the old enemies of peace.

Business and a financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They have begun to consider the government of the United States of the mere appendage to their own affairs. we now know the government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob never before in all our history of these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today they're unanimous and their hate for me and I welcome their hatred I welcome their fucking hatred he didn't say fucking but I'm going to say it

so we need to find a Democrat who will talk that way because Trump does talk that way he's just fucking lying and like this is maddening sorry I do agree it would if we find another FDR that would have for me but you Yeah, but yeah, no, you're right. A non-racist FDR. Yeah, well, yeah, you know, it was a different time. But anyway, yeah.

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