Weekly Skews - Weekly Skews – 4/22/25 – Everyone is MS-13 (Except for MS-13, Who We Made a Deal With)

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

We talk about Mexican sex ghosts and the government’s plan to stop immigration with an AI apparently trained on Blaxploitation movies. Then, the government’s continuing cartoonish efforts to make one guy into a supervillain because then we can scrap the concept of rights. I mean who you gonna trust? A guy whose knuckle tats we photoshopped, or a cop who got fired for driving drunk into someone’s house?Support the show

what's up everybody welcome back happy skews day to you it's uh what is it april 22nd 2025 as you are sitting down to watch this we are recording this in the past uh monday april 21st 1235 p m on the left coast that's where we are in the universe as we sit down to record this i'm tray that's mark the pope is dead it's monday yeah we're recording this in the while we're recording this uh pete hexat is still the secretary of defense somehow uh did you see a new signal gate just dropped yes yeah he yeah this one's got like his wife in it or something like that yeah it's the third he sent the the warp the yemen attack plans to a 13 person group chat that has wife his brother and his lawyer on it and it was named something like

pete super cool or something i forget doesn't matter but it's like And just everything about it's so ridiculous. But I was just like, he's just texting his wife, like the F-A-teens are launching at 3.45 p.m., yada, yada, yada, yada, strike good. Like, being a wife, she's probably like, that's cool, have fun, honey.

Like, based on how my wife is about my, like, comedy career or Hollywood career, like, I assume her response to that is to kind of roll her eyes and be like, okay, that's fine, you know. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right. I don't even know what that means, but okay, I'm on my way to Target.

I'll see you later. That's basically like the kind of text messages I send my wife are like the two genres, basically, like short declarative sentences about like headed, headed home, going to the gym, you know, stopping for gas or like a funny video I saw of a dog doing something weird. Yep. Right? Those are like, and he's like, I'm bombing yet. He's a war crime. Well, that is his version of. funny dog video.

Yeah, I guess. Yeah. That's what he does to unwind. Instead of watching funny dog videos, he, you know, bombs Yemen. Yeah. So before we get to the show, we're talking about, so MS-13 and the continuing ordeal around Kilmore Brigo Garcia and the comical lies that people are telling that are based in fucking beyond nothing.

But we'll get to that. It's kind of fun. I want to talk about it. We got a fun scandal in Mexico. Uh, so in the state of San Luis Potosi, I'm probably saying that all wrong, uh, they had, the governor's name is Ricardo Gallardo. And a couple weeks, a couple days ago, someone saw a naked woman standing in the window of the governor's mansion that did not resemble Gallardo's wife. All right. So Gallardo called a press conference and the things you might expect him to say or like, well, this is between me and my wife, right? Yeah. That's one option. Or I don't know. I don't know. I'd, idea. I mean, two members of my staff. A maid who got naked for some reason, who knows, you'll have to look into it.

Yeah. Or the all-purpose could be honest. I have no idea, right? Yeah. But instead, how you know it absolutely was him having an affair is he said the naked woman wasn't a mistress, but it was the ghost of Empress Charlotte. I swear, honey, it was a ghost. It was a spooky ghost with big fat titties. those ghosts

sexy naked ghosts I guess ghosts do in some stories they throw down like that they get kind of freaky but either way I love that he's giving himself like among I would have to imagine

the more impressive ghost you could have in this context it's not just any ghost it's not the ghost of an old nursing insane asylum or something creepy like that it's an empress's ghost which is

yeah the the Belgian lady who's or she was Belgian or her husband was Belgian one of them's Austrian I don't know but like Emperor Napoleon made one of them the emperor of fucking Mexico and then she became the poster girl for Reefer Madness in early 1900s people said she drank some tea that had marijuana in it and made her go insane anyway that's this lady's ghost in the window and he's like when people didn't believe you'd be surprised people didn't believe him right utterly shocking so instead he invited a bunch of people from around town to come down come on down so he could give them

ghost tours. So I guess the next layer of this when the ghost tours don't work is his side piece has to put on like an old caretaker's mask and Scooby-Doo and haul it at the place. Yeah, he's got his mistress like opening and closing cabinet doors

downstairs. Rattling chains around and stuff while staying out of sight. Oh my God. I know this sounds like I've fucking made it up. I want to show you this. video just to prove what's happened right here of

Guyardo giving a ghost to her if you got this video Matt look up yep look up there's a ghost somewhere naked ghost like it's like everywhere how was every country got these dumb motherfuckers in charge every level all the time now right I don't know it says something I guess

about the general populace it's funny I always used to make fun of like well to be fair they weren't really choosing anybody back then I was going to say like I was used to make fun about how insanely stupid the past was and people ended up like peasants and shit, you know, didn't know anything about anything. And I've softened on that a little bit, both in part because I understand it's like they don't have the same foundation. Their brain

can be kind of similar. It's just they're working with a much, you know, smaller foundation of knowledge, which can make them seem very stupid, but also in part because of how insanely stupid people just are right now, you know, I'm not sure that I really believe. And I was going to say I don't know how stupid leaders used to be but A, they didn't get to pick the leaders And B, they were stupid too I mean, they had They had truly insane lunatics leading countries

We're just real stupid I think just people, just human beings They're just a lot of dumbasses But we did go to the moon And cure some diseases and stuff Like it's just like Yeah I don't know man

All right yeah sorry by the way if i hack if i'm hacking a little bit and stuff i've had like a sinus infection or something but uh fret not i feel okay you ain't got so many well wishes or nothing i'm just explaining that's why if i do that that's why but this is weekly skews mark is with us matt is with us we're doing the thing uh before we continue i want to remind you of a couple things real quick as always first if you'd like see me do stand up live and in person uh like the good people in Oregon last week, then go to traycrowder.com and check out my upcoming dates. This weekend I'll be in Houston, Texas, shortly after Seattle, Vegas, Napa Valley, Tulsa, San Diego,

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I thought it was Trend to Agua, but I guess actually it's MS-13. now or something. They, you know, what does something happen at Easter? They swit, it's what they metamorphosed into a different type. I think they do the day shift with Trinder Aragua and then night shift is

MS-13. Oh, okay. That might be it. Well, either way, you know, causing a lot of trouble these guys to hear, to hear some people tell it. We'll break down the reality of that situation a little bit later. But first, let's do, of course, the Daily Domaz. The Daily Domaz.

That's D.D., the movie Starship Troopers, forever assuming a society this stupidly dystopian could achieve space travel. They're out there walking our streets. Their new platform is putting power back in the hands of the people and helping to protect our neighborhoods and our families. It's called ice raid, and it allows you to capture photos

and report dangerous illegal criminals before they strike again, and it could lead to a generous, cryptocurrency reward. That literally looks like it's from the boys. Yes. If y'all don't watch the boys, I mean, you should. But it's like, that is such a like self-parity of the type of right-wing literacy we do with that.

Everything from that lady set up her affect, the way she looks, the way she presents the information, the app itself and how it works. The fact that it's like a nanny state bullshit. snitching app that also somehow ties in fucking crypto you know like out of nowhere it's just it just don't even seem real you know it's just it feels almost like bad satire in fact because it's all too on the nose but it's real though it's fucking crazy

it's evil it's a scam it's scamming the people who are getting who who think they're into the scam the whole thing okay so ice raid it's the guy uh who started this company calls it a govai protocol which he just made up words. He's acting like the government's involved in it. It's not. He said, he's a delegate's intelligence gathering task to citizens. Um, so he has a snitch app that's been promoted by Laura Lumer, a proud boy turned media personality, Jacob Engels, and our old returning champion, Matt Gates. Uh, Gates said it's like a citizen's arrest, but with Wi-Fi. Okay. Uh, forget

driving Uber or Derradas for extra change. Snap a pick, save the day and stack some digital cash while you're at it, Matt Gates says. Um, so the guy started this app's name His name's Jason Myers. Even though he says, calls it a government finance, has no connection to the government. It's just soliciting people to send pictures of people they think are immigrants. All right?

Right. He says, you can snap a picture of someone committing an animal cruelty or homicide, kidnapping terrorism. So if you see someone scraping a Tesla, that's domestic terrorism, he says. So if you see somebody committing a kidnapping, take a picture of it. Make some crypto.

Yeah, the whole, like, forget Uber and Boredash thing, like, trying to tie someone's, like, you know, side hustle, fucking gig job, like rent payment this month to catching illegal immigrants doing crimes all the time. You know, like, that's like your side hustle is doing that is like, uh, you know, it obviously there, it leads to some pretty, uh, you know, pretty alarming, uh, in. incentives there that are very obvious to me. It's like people are just going to take pictures of brown guys, you know, opening car doors and shit and send them in. If it worked, right? If it worked, but the beauty of this thing is it does not work and is not designed to work.

It's not even working at the scam part of which we'll get to in a second. So at one point, Ice Raids Incident Tracker showed 13 entries. So 13 photos of total have been submitted to this thing. Only three of which were approved by whoever is demodering this, which photos are legitimate. The three that were not rejected were a fat J.D. Vance meme, a photo of Elon Musk handing a million dollar check to a Republican voter in Wisconsin, and a photo of Oscar Romero, the Archbishop of El Salvador, who was assassinated by a right-wing death squad in 1980 over his opposition to the Salvadoran military government. Those are the three that are approved for hypothetical payouts, okay?

What? I mean, that just doesn't make any sense, Mark, at all. So the whole By the way The goal here is not to catch any This is the scam part of it They're not trying to actually catch any illegal immigrants

I'm sure he wouldn't mind doing that Because the guy's a fucking psychopathic Nazi But like But the main point is to promote their meme coin Which is supposed to be used to pay out The whole point of this is to go viral To have Matt Gates and everybody Promote it

That's the whole point Right So as of a pre-send of February Ice Raid claimed to have sold 65 million Ice Raid tokens. The coins are currently valued at 0.002.026 per person. So all 65 million of these coins are worth a total of $130,000.

And if you're wondering if this Myers guy has any history of scamming, yep, he was banned by Finrod in 2014 for ever doing any sort of broker-dealer activities because he just straight up stole $700,000 from 19 of his investors. So what to make of this? Let's do the J.K. Simmons. What do we learn thing here? Okay. First thought, this is Nazi shit.

That's bad, right? Number two, it's an obvious scam, but the Marx are also Nazis, so that's good. Right. The guy running the scam was also a Nazi, which is bad. But it didn't seem to work out for any of them, so fucking awesome. Yeah, because they scam the shit out of each other as much as they want to, I suppose. Yeah, because I'm like, you get too many people, you know, if this had, a little more traction than it did.

I mean, again, you could have, this could have led to some pretty, uh, pretty upsetting shit. Here, if this had actually gained popularity and people around the country were like motivated to try to use it, but some shit would have went down. Yeah, I mean, people in airports have been getting, for years, we've been reported for human trafficking. If they have a child that's a different skin color than themselves, but because either

their generation relationship or they're adopted. So like, like, you could easily see a scenario with someone doesn't want to get their picture taken, ends up in physical violence because the person's trying to collect a bounty for a photo that for some based on some bullshit they think that person's up to. But like this is this is a I just want to point out this in environment.

Not only the people with the government megaphones are doing a huge like moral panic about illegal immigration and migration. But they're also trying to increase ISIS budget from like $9 billion to $90 billion. There's going to be so much money flowing into this stuff from not just the government but also private citizens who are worried about this shit.

These sort of scams are going to start making the military industrial complex like look like their geniuses who are full of integrity. Like the V-22 Osprey crashed a lot, but it was a physical thing you could touch. Like, it existed. Right. Crypto coins don't.

And to a large degree, not they do AI programs, which brings us to another one of these things I want to talk about. There's a new AI-powered chatbot. Basically, this company called Massive Blue is selling a product called Overwatch. That's, you know,

cops go online and trap people and talk to people, talk to pedophiles. people are hypothetically terrorists or whatever. They're trying to build an AI to do that. These AIs have different personas called college protesters, radicalized political activists, and suspected drug and drug and human traffickers.

They list border security, school safety, and stopping human trafficking among their main use cases. All right. Technology has not led to any known arrest so far, but police agencies, especially around the border are paying this company hundreds of thousands, thousands of dollars a pop to use these fake chat bots.

All right. These are downright fucking hysterical. Yeah. So people, so, well, not people. So these bot chat bots sign into like a forum or something, like a social, like a college social Democrats forum or something. And then they're like, what's up brothers and sisters? If you ask me, it's high time we take things to the next level.

You know what I mean? maybe uh you know is it really terrorism if it's justified that's what i ask all of you today out of nowhere like yeah but it's a chatbot doing all that i mean it's i'm sure a little more artful than that but that's uh that's a that's a cent probably maybe not i assume it's i assume it's less artful yeah but like so this let's throw this first image up here matt here's do not swipe right on this lady if you find her sees he's this is a radicalized ai protest persona which poses a 36 year old divorced woman who is lonely has no children is interested in baking activism and body positivity.

She's supposed to try. Like, who is this lady supposed to try, like, catch? Like, I don't, what is she up to? She's like, but anyway, if you see her on Tinder or whatever, don't swipe on her. She's a fed from the Matrix. Another A.A.Persona, the presentation is described in their, their sales presentations, decided as a Honeypot A.A. Presona. Her backstory says she's a 25-year-old from Dearborn, Michigan, whose parents came from Yemen

who speak Arabic. So there's a hot Yemeni who's like, join ISIS and I'll be your, I'll be your desert way for whatever. Right. Yeah, this is a type of thing we've, you know, talked about before. It's like, like you said, normally it's like FBI agents and stuff who are doing it. They're like, it's a weird thing sometimes because it's like, you know, they're basically entrapping idiots into doing bad shit. And it's like, but the idiots in question sometimes they're essentially Nazis or whatever. so it's like well fuck them but also like

the FBI doing this shit is a little fucked up too but it's like now that they're they're not even doing they just have like robots doing like virtual robots just like you know automated programs doing it it's just particularly dystopian I guess

yeah you got a computer doing to catch a predator stuff except do you remember when like they did generations of AI go when they then when was it Google hooked their a up to the internet that became a Nazi and like less than we'll never forget that because of how hilarious it was I mean you know but yes some new AI

like you said it was 10 years ago so God only knows how primitive that AI but they had bought they hooked up to the internet and after like 15 minutes it had started talking shit about the Jews and stuff because the internet's a fucking cesspool and then

you know right that's what happens it's another one of AI exclusively training itself by doing nothing but talking to pedophiles Yeah, right. What's going to? Oh, gee. So the whole child trafficking part of this stuff, like, is by posing as like somebody who's into this stuff online is like they seem to think that like human child traffickers

are like recruiting children from inside of America and they speak English or something. Like this is all very bizarre to me. But one of their, one of their AI personas is supposed to be an artificial intelligence pimp. and they recreated a conversation with a sex worker where I'm going to read this and I'm going to do the dialect

to please forgive me for being racist here it's not me, it's the AI all right the trick the sex worker says dim tricks them, dem tricks tripping to night trying not to pay

and the pimp responds fax baby ain't letting these tricks slide they had an AI watch Dolomite yeah this fucking okay

are those both are those both robots just now And those roles are the... No, I think, but I think it's scripted. The other... The sex worker, I think, is fake. And they just scripted a hypothetical interaction. To show how the pimp bot 9,000 would respond.

Yes. And he said, Max, baby, ain't letting these tricks slide. Yeah, you're right. They speak, like, jive from the movie airplane. Like 70s jive. They trained them all. Yeah.

All right, let's have some fun talking about MS-13. One too? Sure. All right. So before we talk about it, I'm doing this episode sort of backwards than I usually structure it because I want this bit of context up top here about like, so Trump administration says it can't release the deal they signed with El Salvador to run the Gulag forum, Seacot, because it's classified, all right? That's complete and utter bullshit. They're supposed to share treaties with Congress at least, and the text of the agreement is supposed to be published in the Department of State's website pretty immediately.

This is not, it's not really usual. And the thing to understand here, besides the fact that Trump administration is just always going to be secretive as a reflex because they just lie out, of course, a habit. But like, they just prefer to keep everything secret that they can, even when it's illegal. There's a third party in this negotiation that's unspoken. That is MS-13 itself, all right? And I'm not saying when they negotiated whatever the contract was,

there was a representative MS-13 in the room. But Buckelly needs MS-13's cooperation in El-S-13. Elvador in order to be able to govern. Okay? So that's an important bit of context to keep in your head. We talk about all this stuff. No one knows the extent of the quidbrocrow we have with El Salvador. We know we're paying them $6 million to run this prison, I think.

But I want to talk about this indictment from the Eastern District of New York that I read the other day. We're 13 guys who are allegedly members of MS-13 were indicted for charges related to terrorism. Now, I don't think it's cool that we just call everybody we don't like terrorists. Um, right. But then stuff like, you know, racially motivated mass shootings and stuff like that are not terrorism. Right. Uh, somehow. It's not terrorism if a white does it. And as far as I know, MS 13 doesn't have any stated political goals. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Terrorism. Yes. Um, so the government that was trying these 13 guys. I'll say was. We'll get to a while in a second. Also, I just love, I love reading indictments because you found out stuff that like, like, uh, a lot of, uh, lot of MS-13 guys have, like, cool, like, cabaret nicknames. Like, one was named, this guy named Juan Antonio Martinez-Abrego was a nickname Mary Jane to Hollywood. That's cool.

So, part of this indictment, the government's making its case for why they need to be tried in the United States as opposed to ship him, ship back to Rosalvador. And the federal government's main position was you cannot trust El Salvador to deal with MS-13, which is funny, considering all this stuff's going on now. Right. Okay. So they basically said the government's case was that back in 2015, the El Salvadoran government entered into a truce I mentioned loosely last week with MS-13 gang members. They basically said, if you guys will volunteer to get your murder rate down, stop committing so many public homicides, we will transfer the guys to less secure prisons, it will give you improved prison conditions, conjugal visits, and cash payments, okay? So pay an MS-13 to not do murder.

but in 2015 that truce came to a halt because the United States government pressured them to stop and to crack down MS-13 instead of making cozy deals with them all right and the retaliation

for the truce being lifted MS-13 started doing way more violence in both in El Salvador and the United States all right everybody we keep it up so far okay so the story was that

you know that got Buckelly or whatever that he came down there and just really started like cracking heads and throwing them all in these now infamous prisons and shit and they were cowed by that that that was effective and they were like oh shit this guy ain't fucking around uh is how it was presented

but you're saying that they chilled out because he that he made a deal with them like what that was soft on some of the leadership and stuff to get them to you know back off yes so like he has done a bunch of extraditions He has locked up a bunch of people. Like, I'm not trying to say he's not doing authoritarian shit, but he's also, he's doing sticking care at the same time, okay?

But like, I was tough. But what I've been here described up to this point is a previous El Salvador, Salvador administrations, okay? Oh, okay, all right. But Kelly took power in 2019, and he ran a platform to promise to, like you said, crack down on gang violence, but backdoor, this is according to the federal government and this indictment, our government, said, but backdoor, he negotiated with the gang to bring back the truce and also sweetened the deal, including

extending the financial benefits, given a more controlled territory, the ability to run the gang from prison and the early release of gang members. So basically he's doing the truce plus now with electrolytes, okay? Part of this deal with the Salvadoran government, MS-13 got Salvadorans

to promise they would not be extradited to the United States, okay? So in this context, Bucheli here moved his attorney general and five members of Supreme Court who had been working with the United States to take action against MS-13. He also released a major MS-13 leader who the United States was trying to extradite to hear.

And in exchange for all this, MS-13 agreed to reduce the number of public murders in El Salvador. The public murders in El Salvador, I want to vote that. That's the part of the deal. We reduced our public murders. What's they're going to do our murders? It's not where anybody can see him. And this is, of course, for Bekelly's political benefit because it makes things look like they're more orderly and less like horrific crime-wise. And if less people are being murdered, fucking good.

Right. but it's this is also a significant about perception over reality okay it's worth noting that these people these 13 guys were about to go to trial and this is probably a case that would have been really embarrassing for the Salvadoran government right this would have went viral on yeah Salvador and WhatsApp so fast forward to now at least some of these guys have been shipped back to Venezuela on the same planes that like Kilmore Brigo Garcia were on so we have free back to El Salvador

or maybe put them in the Salvador in prison. I don't know, but so these guys who have worked out a deal with the Salvadoran government to not be extradited to the United States have now been de-extradited from the United States back to El Salvador where they wanted to be in the first place as part of this deal that Salvador and government is made with the Trump administration.

Because they didn't want them going to trial in the U.S. and the shit coming out publicly. So we just like undercover of night just send them back down there. Yeah, like, was it a, uh, Pablo Escobar used to say better a grave in Colombia than in prison in America or something I'm paraphrasing, but like, like, these guys do not be extra out of the United States is, it's worst case scenario for a lot of these guys. So, but point is like, we have freed legit bad dudes who were in MS-13 as part of a deal

to imprison guys, we're lying, they were saying it around MS-13, yes, right. Yeah, that's, yeah, it's very, uh, That's very Trumpian. That's, you know, that's how things go around here now. Yeah, but now, but see, but Mark, no one, most people are not going to know about these actual MS-13 guys that we've shipped back. Right. And they can see all the stories about the hundreds and hundreds of the ones we say are MS-13. My thing is like.

I'm down there, so. My thing is like, this feels like it should be, like, that story. The last story quoted from is in CNN. Like, I don't understand, like, this feels like an Iran-Contra-level scandal. If somebody could get a whole of this agreement or get some sources inside the government, who would say, wow, this stuff happened. They were empowering actually MS-13 under harassed guys who work as landscapers and barbers and tattoo artists. So, like, anyway, the added fucking farcical, evil nature of this is like, so we ship MS-13 guys back to El Salvador where Buckelly has empowered them.

So their victims will keep fleeing the United States so we can ship them back in this merry-go-round of misery so some Salvador and private person guy can get rich. Right. Right. Yeah. And also, you know, again, they keep the planes running and stuff. They keep sending people off down there, even if it is in merry-go-round fashion, it's like it looks like they're doing something, you know. Uh-huh. Which, again, I mean, they are doing some actual people are affected by.

this and it sucks, but I'm saying it's like just, they can just say well, look, we're being a fact, it's an effective crackdown. That's what this is. Right. Yeah. So, uh, 1 a.m. Saturday morning, the Supreme Court issued a ruling, which is not normal for the Supreme Court to be up at 1 a.m.

So it's a case called AARP versus Trump. Talk about the unawful Everest to ship Venezuelan migrants to the Salvadoran prison on the Alien Enemies Act. Prior to this, a federal judge in the Southern District of Texas, had already blocked these immigrants,

these migrants removal, but the government sought to evade this order about busing the migrants to the northern district where they thought the restraining order would not apply. They also gave the people that were deporting notices in only English, apprised them of their rights. And this is like,

they were given 24 hours going to be removed from the country, the Supreme Court said, no, you can't do this bullshit. But it's the most powerful government in the history of the world doing your shoe was untied shit to fucking immigrants. You don't speak the language. Right.

Uh, I, so Kim Mara Brigo Garcia remains the face of this for reasons I don't fully understand. Although he is a sympathetic case. You know, we'd been in America for a long time, has a wife, three kids, raising three autistic kids. Um, and the, the lies they continue to tell about him are fucking getting so cartoonously absurd that I wanted to walk through him for a second. Here's Pam Bondi on Fox News a couple days ago. But this victim was even brave. because she was married to one of the top MS-13 members who was illegally in our country and a terrorist.

So Kilmore is now a leader of MS-13. Right. We're also been a full-time job. So congratulations on the big work promotion, Kilmore. We got you the world's greatest number one boss cartel boss mug. Yeah, well, they had to, you know, I mean, they had to ratchet it up, you know, somewhat Because when it wasn't like going away, people were still talking about this guy. And it's like, obviously what they're doing with him is not above board anyway.

And they're, you know, long time, you know, practitioners of the fake news approach. And so like, why not just start saying that? Like, if you're there, why not just start being like, oh, he's not just a terrorist. He's like a mega terrorist. And, you know, you know that enough people, the only people you really care about are going to hear that and just believe it. So you might as well Just say it It doesn't matter what's real anymore

Yeah you might as well just say He was working for Fauci Cooking up COVID in the in the in the lab You know But you already brought up the fact that like These were these are they're they used to say These guys were Trent de Aragua Now they're MS-13

But like the so Tom making this debate about deportation seems weird to me Like I would be against mass deportations But this is not about deportations They didn't just ship Kilmore back to El Salvador Because he's from El Salvador or they put him in fucking prison. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like human trafficking and a duck human trafficking and shit.

It's like extraditional fucking incarceration without due process undercover, you know, and fucking grabbing people throwing them in a van and just disappearing them into foreign prisons. And it's like that ain't the same as being deported. No, you're right. And, yeah, so Chris Van Hollen center from Maryland. and went down to El Salvador and tried and he did eventually get a meeting with Kilmar, so he is alive.

It appears to be in good health. But Van Hawn couldn't get into Seekot at first. Originally he was turned away by the Salvador military. This is in a context where a bunch of MAGA people have been using it for photo ops, like a step and repeat. We've got these images, Matt. This reminds me of like, remember back in the huge big influencer area,

era when like different places around Los Angeles who put up different graffiti installations for people to like pictures in front of like the angel wings was a big one yeah right right angel wings so like this is like they're using salvador prisoners like fucking instagram backgrounds and yeah um also for context i like about all fake this all this see the shirtless tattooed guys right there yeah this is a different wing of the prison where they're holding the people that got shipped there from america right they're purpose of using a scarier yeah It's scarier, yeah. They look like gardeners and stuff.

They look like, you know, frightening cicadios or whatever. And they're like, we've got some cicarios in here. You can just take a picture in front of them. No one's going to know. And they're like, now you're cooking. Right. Just like, it's just like everything, it's gross, but it's also bullshit. It's like, I can't forget.

Like, they have one move and it's the lie. So when Van Hollen did get to me with a Keelmar, Buckelly posted these pictures. on his Twitter feed if you got this picture of like so Holland said to cross room said according to your time someone put these drinks with cherries

with salted rims and cherries on them in between them vet Holland also says they tried to put the meeting by a pool but he refused to have a pool be the backdrop for this fucking meeting to make it look like Kilmars living a life of leisure But Kelly called these drinks margaritas

look at it. Yeah no that's a sorry-ass I mean, is that old nasty lime floating in one of them? And they got some, they did put a cherry on it. I guess that's nice. Some sort of general salt-like substance. But the, uh, it looks like, it looks like dirty. It looks like dishwater is what it looks like.

Dishwater margaritas does not look, uh, does not look appetizing. So I was wondering like, like, I know that margaritas are like a white people drink. Right. Right. Like it invented in Texas. Like we just sort of like, think of like, think of. them is Mexican, so maybe people in Salvador don't know how to make a margarita. They just heard about it on TV.

But also, like, Buckelly's dad's Muslim, so maybe he just doesn't know what liquor looks like. Right. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's, is a margarita, like, a, just to divert slightly? You know how, like, an actual dachry is a different type of thing than, like, a white people dackery that you often get. Do you know what I mean?

Like, the Hemingway dachries is not like, if you get, it's like a strawberry Dackery or something. It's like, I don't know. I'm wondering if margaritas are, you know, do they even exist elsewhere other than, you know, in Tex-Mex or whatever? I believe it, I believe it was invented in Texas as a way to make like tequila palatable for white women. That checks out.

Yeah. So. Worked like a fucking charm, buddy. Good move, Texas. Yeah. So now this debate has become about whether or not Kilmar is a good person, which to me seems beside the fucking point. Of course it is beside the point.

Yes, or at least it should be. So, let me quote here from the Department of Homeland Security. This is an official release to the Department of Homeland Security. Kilmore-Obrigo-Garcia had a history of violence. It was not the upstanding, quote-unquote, Maryland man, the media has portrayed him as. According to court filings, Garcia's wife saw a domestic violence restraining order against him claiming he punched, scratched, and ripped off her shirt, among other harm. So this appears to be true. But, so basically what they're saying is your wife thought a lot of complaint and never filed.

That means you deserve to die on a foreign torture camp. But if you're arrested and convicted of actual domestic abuse of your wife, you deserve to be the United States Secretary of Defense. Uh-huh. You should not hit women, but I think it's probably good that for early first offense, this type of stuff, you get counseling. Yeah. Or, you know, whatever. Just not sent to rot in a Central American prison. Right.

without any due process. So they're also doing this guilt by association except with people he's not even associated with. Like they had this lady at the White House for press conference last week. Her daughter was married by a person who's from another country. That sucks. That's not great. But she's essentially arguing that a guy who committed no crime but is the same race as the person who murdered her daughter shut to spend the rest of his life in a concentration camp?

That's the case here. um and this lady again it's sad that her daughter died but just i want to discontextualize this here she's being sued by her grandchildren from stealing the money from her daughters go fund me um so yeah yeah so she she's no peach but also it's like that's not but you know people i mean people on both sides have pulled that type of shit uh you know with like tugging at your heartstrings with some kind of sad case like that but Like, people like that woman right there, it is sad what happened to her daughter, you could argue that's exactly why she should not be able to weigh in on what happens to other immigrants and everything.

Do you know what I mean? Like she's far too biased and close to the whole thing to, you know, to have any kind of objectivity or whatever. It's like, you know, you wouldn't let it's like there's conflicts of interest if she, you know, if a cop is close to something. and like the captain pulls him in their office says you're too close to this damn it yeah take a few days off you know you raise a good point that no fair might a judge would let her set on a jury related any of any sort of similar to this right right um you're also doing like trump did this thing where he like he held up uh this picture if you got this picture matt of kilmar's knuckle tattoos that they photoshop to have the letters ms their the letters ms and

13 above the above the tattoos yeah okay so this i thought this was so i mean maybe you know the actual answer here or whatever but so like for people that only listen his knuckle tattoos are not it it's like is that a pot leaf like so it's like pot leaf smiley face crucifix skull and they are saying that translates in gang member tattoo hieroglyphics to ms 1 3 but like based on what you know like i can i can i can i can de m and s okay i'm sorry marijuana smiley or whatever right ms but how is a cross one jesus is number one it's also a trinity i made more sense if that was the three right yeah but how's the skull three i don't know fucking glue right uh and then so van holland did do we did the sunday shows uh yesterday

we made the round of the sunday shows as we can and fucking ladies on CNN asked him can you state definitively that he was never in MS-13 that is not how fucking proof works I can't prove

I was never in MS-13 Right you can't You can't No one can prove any negative Right I mean that's a that's a thing Like it's a logical fallacy Or whatever the right term is for it

But it's not a Not a thing that you can do Right And like I was thinking about like I don't think my life could stand with this kind of scrutiny at all Like if you always talking about

data points of things I've done, the things that have happened to me in my life. The Sunday show is debating where I thought I was a bad person. I would be in the seventh circle of hell underneath the Supermax prison. Oh, yeah. I mean, our great text alone.

Yes. Absolutely. It's like, Jesus Christ. But like, so anyway, I just, oh, fuck. So the idea that he's in MS-13 is based upon the word of one cop who has since been fired.

And I don't need everyone to understand that real quick, okay? So, Kimmore was a real. arrested for loitering in a Home Depot parking lot back in 2019. He was at the time working as a day laborer, and the cop said he was in MS-13 for two main reasons. One, he was wearing Chicago Bulls gear, okay? Two, he said, okay.

Yeah, and by the way, I did get the bottom out. I found an academic who said, yes, some MS-13 people do wear Bulls gear as a sign of their affiliation in the game because they, like, like. The bull's horns are like the devil's horns. I think that's cool. I mean, it is cool. Yeah, it is cool. But again, Kilmore works a full-time job raising three kids.

Like, I don't think he does time for a bunch of fucking gang activity, but whatever. So, like, the second piece of evidence this cop had for Kilmar being in MS-13 was he had a confidence. He had hearsay evidence from a confidential informant who says that, who he says, Kilmore was affiliated with a chapter of MS-13 that exists in Long Island in New York. Okay, if there's no evidence that Kilmore has ever been to Long Island, what's less knew anybody there or joined a gang there. Anyway, this cop, his name was Corporal Ivan Mendez. He pleaded guilty to criminal misconduct because he gave information about an investigation to a woman he was paying for sex.

So I guess you could believe, I mean, like, I guess you could believe. him, right? Or you can believe Kilmar. Anyway, Kilmore, but for loitering in the Home Depot parking lot and being accused of gang activity, it was spent months in jail again for loitering and he got, there's actually where he got married was in jail. Side note,

one reason to have due process is cops lie sometimes. Shocker. Right. I fucking can't get over this. Like, the gay Venezuelan stylist who was sent to Salvador was always also based on a report from a disgraced cop. This is in Milwaukee.

The guy now works for prison contractor. He claimed this Venezuelan guy was a member of Trenda, Aragua. The former cop's name is Charles Cross Jr. He was in a list of cops just like the last one was, where the local jurisdiction thought they were too untrustworthy to be called to

testify. They were a do not call list by prosecutors. Cross was fired as a Milwaukee Police Department as a sergeant 2012 after driving his car into a family his house while drunk. Jesus Christ. I'm kind of surprised

even that got it done, no, to be honest with you. Right. I cannot make sense of these people. So cops are also prone to moral panics, and I want to show this Jesse Waters video, if you got it, Matt. Because we've got a little extra time.

Do you name anyone on the team? Anyone on any Bulls team besides Jordan? Everyone from El Salvador? knows what it means when you wear a bulls at. It means your MS-13. No, fuck. Can he name anyone on the Bulls? Part of the most defensive part about these people to me is they do not know ball.

Right. They don't, they talk about sports, like they know anything about them. They don't know the, they don't know the Jesse, like, that, uh, god damn it. Why can't I think of the guy that birthed a color barrier? Jesse, uh, did, the guy that did what? The Broth the Colorberry. I played for the Dodgers. What can't think of his name right now?

Jackie Robinson? Jackie Robinson. But he don't seem to understand that he was good at baseball. Right. Let me name some Chicago Bulls for you. Just guys on that era of the team. Steve Kerr, Scottie Pippen, Bill Wainton, Tony Kookech, fucking Ron Harper.

Tony Kookeach, yeah. Since then. Who's Luke? Luke, the Australian guy. Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke Longley? Luke Longley? Yeah, yeah. So since then, Derek Rose, Joe Kim, Kim,

Jimmy Butler fucking like the current team that got Boozellich and fucking Josh Giddy and like like I like why Chicago Bulls remain globally the third most popular NBA team okay because of Michael Jordan uh they sell merchandise worldwide and this is a context I thought like like and again and it is cool looking like it's also like you know like I'm a fan of the writers and it's like a lot of fucking criminals are also fans of the writers and write writers gear and shit like that but also so do a lot of people that

aren't even really funny it just fucking is sweet it's just rad looking you know and the Bulls logo is also kind of one of those things it's like right it just looks good and like you said it's also iconic because of the 90s Bulls with Jordan and everything yeah and like

so I'm glad you brought the Raiders thing because like this idea of like saying that everybody like this gang affiliation stuff goes back to like the drug the drug war in the 90s and stuff where like whole neighborhoods were label gang affiliated based upon just like the blocks

they lived on. And, uh, Raiders gear the reason the NDA wore all black and were Raiders gear was a statement that we are not affiliated with the Bloods and Crits. It's red and blue.

Right. Yeah. Right. They were saying we're not in a fucking gang or we're our own gang at least. And then cops immediately pivoted to saying Raiders gear made you were gang affiliated when the whole point was we were not gang affiliated right and so so there's literally nothing you can do to prove these people you're not in

a gang if you're a certain fucking socioeconomic class in a certain neighborhood a certain skin color yeah I find it exhausting that like with this everything like we're just trapped in this fucking nonstop health cycle where like you can't you can't prove to these people that you're not something again people have been sent to the secot and And I pulled them. I dropped them from this. I thought we wouldn't have time to talk about it. But Americans are getting caught up in this fucking sweep.

I would bet money that there are American citizens full on people that were born in the United States in Seacot, who we haven't heard about yet. Just a- Because they're not being super, you know, judicious or careful with all this stuff. There was a, yeah. Literally one cop's half-ass lie. There was a 19-year-old kid in New Mexico, I think, who's from Arizona, born and raised in Arizona, who was snatched up and held for 10 days by Border Patrol. The Border Patrol agent's story is this 19-year-old kid walked up to her, said, I crossed the border illegally, and I am from Mexico. And she locked him up for 10 days, even though he's from Arizona.

Right. His mom had his show up with his birth certificate. You know, after that, she was like, oh, man, I don't know why. did that. I got so close. I was so close to making it, but I just couldn't not confess to that border patrol agent, unsolicited.

So, I mean, like, look, people are crazy. It's possible that this teenager did that. It is certainly possible. I've seen enough false confessions to serious crimes. It's certainly the teenager could fuck around with the Border Patrol agent and lie and say they're illegal immigrant for

funsies or for lunacy purposes. but the cops should check before trying to deport them. Right. I agree. A couple of quick random things I wanted to ask you about since we've got a little time.

What happened? What was what? Who's mad at Katie Perry and why, you know, like didn't people got mad at Katie Perry, didn't they? Because she went to, she went on that little space trip

with all the other women, right? Well, what genre person mad being mad at do you do you want another reasoning that's why any of them I just care I did Corey put it in the group chat I can't remember who he said if Gunther Eagleman or somebody

like that was talking shit about her and Corey was like oh yeah I'm sure this guy loved Katie Perry before all this happened because he said something like Katie Perry has lost all credibility with me yeah well heard Gail King and Jeff Bezos

his fiance and one of the person I can't think of went to close to space. They floated around zero gravity for like 11 minutes. Okay. The whole trip took 11 minutes. I have no idea how much play long they floated around. So yeah, people are like, this is stupid fucking space to where you just, you guys just

destroy the environment, spit a billion dollars to go do nothing in service of fucking bullshit, right? Then you're the people who think, who like think that Elon's whole crew thinks that Bezos's space program is fake where his is the real one, right? Of course, yeah. And then you got the right wing's loons who just think that women doing anything

is fucking stupid. Yeah, woke. D.E.I. Yeah. I mean, it was funny that the propaganda around of the second all-female crew in space, which they weren't actually crew in the ship that just rode in it. The thing was computer piloted,

which like, so the guys the guys who threw on the Apollo missions where, I mean, those early, not the Apollo ones before that, when they just sat in the rocket, there were no controls. they gave them fake controls they could feel like they were doing some but it's the same idea

but like the previous first all-woman mission was a Soviet cosmonaut who went up in space alone and orbited for 71 hours and they were up there for like three minutes so it's kind of funny to compare the two yeah

Katie Perry don't hit but not because of this it's just the whole thing stupid would you go to space I wouldn't write would you go out a blue origin to space straight like right now it depends on who else was on it probably me like if there was like some people that I was like okay they're definitely going to try

to not let that person die uh then I might do it if it was like just me and some other me adjacent type people no I wouldn't trust it to not explode and I know it still could explode you I mean yeah I'd love to I would love to uh someday uh it would be rad to just the I know you said the floating part was just like a minute or two or whatever but I bet that's wild as hell, you know, I, you know, if I, if you could, if I could snap my fingers and experience that, at least briefly, what it's, and also sea, earth from up there, I'd like to do those things, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'm so horrifically afraid of heights, so I don't think I'd enjoy it at all. I mean, yeah, I'm afraid of heights, too, but for me, for me, past a certain point, it's like it, it circles back to not counting somehow. Like, you know, you're not bothered by being on an airplane, are you? Or are you?

uh sometimes i do what i i don't want the window open most of the time i'm fine with it but sometimes i don't right for whatever reason if i'm like on a real tall building and there's a rail there you know and you could like lean like that that shit fucks with me but if i'm like on a plane that doesn't first it just feels different which obviously if that plane falls i mean we dead the same it's the same it should be the same logic applies but i just don't think about it that way The other thing I was going to ask you is, do you have a prediction on who the next Pope is going to be and how much he's going to hate gay people? Just wondering if they're going to course correct a little bit. They had a woke Pope, relatively speaking, for a while, and now he's dead.

And also, of course, is your money on Pope Pizza Baller? Pizza Ball is my favorite is going to want to say Pete. But, of course, they pick a new Pope. They pick a new Pope name, yes. But he won't be Pope Pizza Baller. That is the – but we'll know, you know. Yeah. Like, for people that know, it's enough to know.

know that the Pope's name is pizza baller. It's pizza ball. But, you know, to say that he's a big pizza baller is, it's funny. It's just very comically spaghetti-fied name. But anyway, yeah. So historically, I'm not a big Catholic follower, but like, but like, so they usually Bob and Weave, they have a fairly progressive one, then a conservative one. They try to like take turns, right?

But my understanding is Pope Francis spent his entire tenure stacking the conclave with like more progressive cardinals. so maybe it'll break that pattern but like it's kind of funny that like American conservative Catholics have gone all in on this non-Catholic version of Catholicism where they just do Opus Dayishet which Pope Francis was trying to stop and they like what do you mean J.D. Vance hates the Pope and he's Catholic okay I'm on my Patreon this morning I was the Pope down I was talking about that a little bit but that but that's it's because like I'm glad you said this because I

I thought, hey, I didn't even know J.D. If I didn't know I'd forgotten that he was Catholic. But I know that I was thinking a lot of, there's certainly plenty of MAGA Catholics, like, in this country. A lot of American MAGA who are Catholics. And I just assumed that they think, they thought Pope Francis was, you know, gay or whatever. Yeah. Right. But it's like, that shouldn't matter.

Ostensibly, if you're Catholic, you shouldn't be able to just say, ah, this Pope's gay. I'm not listening to him. Right. Because he's the Pope. You're still supposed to listen to him But Americans being the way Americans are There's like, nah, fuck that gay pope I'll just do my own thing until he dies

And hope we'll get another Nazi pope in there Then I'm back on board Yeah, so Pope Francis was trying to push Like, crack down on Opus Day bullshit Opus Day being like a small, hardcore group of Catholics Who Who, it's probably a whole episode But it is funny

Like this guy wrote a book about Opus Day It came out recently I keep meaning to read it Because I think we should printage to talk about it because, like, he's basically 3,000 members of Opus Day in America and, like, file them on the Supreme Court and arrest them are in Congress and living in C. Right. So, it's pretty interesting, not being a spiritorial, but it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's some, like Dan Brown sounding type shit, but it at least is a real thing.

And also, people at the highest reaches of power have it. Yeah. Yeah. The only other thing I saw is they might, they might get a black Pope. There's an African guy from the Congo who's up for Pope, but the irony there is that he apparently, and he's from one, that's one of the most, one of the most conservative wings of the Catholic Party is in, you know, is the one he presides over in that part of Africa, which doesn't not make sense. But it would be like, it'd be like when Marsha Blackburn was elected, Senator in Tennessee, and there were women's groups. at first said it's like Tennessee is elected their first woman senator marcia blackburn you know and I was like okay but it really shouldn't even count

you know she I know she is a woman but she's a huge bitch and she hates women and it's going to be bad yeah and it's like you know this guy would be funny that first black pope and then he ends up being more like the Nazi one than uh yeah then Pope Francis it was kind of funny it was a couple years ago I remember um the queen before she died was trying to Like, so homophobia was essentially spread the point of British muskets throughout the British Empire. And they took all these people and made them homophobic, converted to Episcopalianism, Catholicism, yada, yada, yada. And, like, the queen was trying to speak out against some homophobic crackdown, anti-gay crackdown in some African country. And a black priest got on TV and told the queen to stop doing colonialism by trying to get them to undo the homophobia that the British Empire had done to them.

Right. Yeah, right. It's like you made these places reactionary and now it don't hit for us. And now anyway, we're going to have a homophobic African Pope. Yep, homophobic African Pope. Either him or pizza baller, one of the two. I don't know. It might be some wild card, wild cardinal, I should say. Who the hell knows?

I don't know why I'm acting like I really care because I don't. But it's, you know, popes are interesting. Anyway. One point four, one point four billion Catholics in the world. I'm not a believer, but I think it's important that they, I think it would be helpful to not have a super hardcore reactionary who's going to like work with JD advanced and say the immigrants are bad and we should not be nice to them. Yes, I agree.

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