Weights and Plates Podcast - Ep. 124 - Stop Chasing Skinny. Start Building Strong.

Episode Date: October 20, 2026

Is losing more weight really the answer - or are you missing the muscle that would change how you look and feel? Robert delivers a candid breakdown of weight loss, body composition, and why a smaller number on the scale doesn’t always mean better results.From people with significant weight to lose to those stuck feeling “skinny fat,” Robert explains how different starting points call for different approaches. He tackles liquid calories, crash dieting, the limitations of chasing a workout burn, and why lifting matters when you’re trying to preserve muscle while losing fat. Plus, he explores how our food environment influences eating habits and why comparing yourself to fitness influencers can derail your progress.Whether your next step is losing fat, building muscle, or finally getting serious about strength, this episode challenges you to look beyond the scale—and train for the body you actually want.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to the Strong and Sleak podcast. I am Robert Santana. I am your host here for another episode. Another fun and exciting day with you guys. Today, I want to talk about absolutely nothing. Not really. Topic on my mind, because I haven't talked about it in a while. And, you know, I don't think we hear about it enough. His weight loss, right? It's probably the thing you hear about. the most. But I'm a lifting coach. I have lifting gym. I teach people how to get strong. Most people that work out, including many of you, either got started or are still working out to lose body weight because you're too heavy, either by your own standards or by health standards.

So we should start out by discussing who needs to lose weight, who wants to lose weight, who wants to lose weight, who really shouldn't be losing weight, right? And we can kind of go into where the gym fits in and where it doesn't. You know, you can probably find this on old episodes, but instead of having you dig, we'll just kind of rehash the issue because it hasn't gotten better yet. I think last time I looked, we were creeping on, creeping on a 40% obesity rate. I have to double check that. I haven't looked at those graphs in a while at one point. When I started my doctorate, they had said that it was leveling off. I don't see evidence of that, but it kind of jumped on my mind because I've been training dogs. And one of the ways that we rehabilitate anxious dogs is by manipulating

their food. Because a lot of dog owners tend to overfeed their pets for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is it makes the owner feel better to feed the dog. Oh, he's so cute. I just want to feed him. Another reason is similar to our food and supplement industry. The pet food industry has told pet owners that their dogs need to eat way more food than necessary. So oftentimes I'll have dog training clients that have obese dogs. And I'll take them in for training. And literally it'll be, you know, a few weeks of literally just put the dog on a diet, getting the body fed off and it's an amazing thing happens, you know, because we've had all this body positivity bullshit in the last 15 to 20 years. But a funny thing happens with these animals that I've seen

happen in humans. They, their mood changes. They're much happier. You know, I just met with a client last night. She's doing lessons with me. So she's doing this herself. I'm very proud of her because she implemented the policy of tough love with this dog. And when I first met the dog, dog was was fat, suspicious, anxious, you know, bark at you when you first showed up, barking at other dogs. And my instructions to her were, well, cut his food back, let's get some weight off. I gave specific recommendations to make sure that happened. And then it had been two weeks since I saw her, and I went and met with her yesterday. And the dog was looking trim, but more importantly, he was happy.

You know, it was easy for her to get his attention when I was around. And he was just really wanting to work for her because he had something. to work for. You know, when he goes fat, it's like, I don't want to do that. And then he wouldn't do it. And then he just got fat, lazy, crabby, anxious. You know, there's other reasons for the anxiety, of course. But I've consistently seen it across the board that when a canine loses weight and he's too fat, he becomes more confident, happy, and willing to work because he has something to work for. There's not a purpose in his life. I have to work to eat, right? And we're not saying that you should starve your dogs and, you know, create all these malnutrition issues. I know we're going

to get some hater comments about that, but you're probably feeding your dog too much because just like our food industry, the pet food industry wants you to because that sells more pet food. If you have a fat dog, that means you need more food to keep him fat. So, you know, just a sidebar for those of you pet owners that own dogs, you know, your dog might be happier if he has to work for his food and if he's not carrying around all this extra body weight. So I've seen this pattern enough now, several times over, to where it's one of the most gratifying things of dog training is when that light bulb turns on and the dog's happy, he's confident and he's like, hey, man, let's go.

He starts pushing me to do things. And I noticed that in myself, when I lose weight, I've noticed that in weight loss clients that I've had that have lost weight they needed to lose. And we've heard all the stories about it, you know, in popular media. We don't want you to get emaciated and necessarily, you know, unhealthy. But I think the baseline that we have set as a society in this country for what's an acceptable body weight or fat percentage is probably a bit too high. Now, with a caveat, now if you're training and you want to get strong and you want to build muscle, then you're going to put on some body fat and doing that and it will be uncomfortable for some of you.

it's going to vary some people have to put on more than others but if you're a strength athlete and at some point you're going to get a little chubby you know and uh that doesn't necessarily mean that you're putting yourself at high risk of chronic disease or even acute incidence cardiovascular events um but you're going to be uncomfortable you know you're carrying more weight your clothes aren't going to fit right that doesn't feel great for a lot of you and uh you know your breathing might change because you have more mass, you know, when you're inhaling, exhaling, cardio becomes a little more important. But, you know, it doesn't take much for these things to happen, at my point. You know, you don't have to be morbidly obese to see some of

these uncomfortable changes that now have to be counterbalanced with a little more exercise. But who does that apply to? That applies to somebody. We'll start with this person. Somebody who is under muscle. Notice I didn't say underweight, but underweighting is included here. somebody with a BMI of 18.5 or less is going to be very, very skinny. That person needs to gain weight, needs to not worry about body fat, and needs to lift weights. While he's doing it, he may need to go slow or she so that he doesn't hurt himself on the way up, right? But those guys, sometimes it's not much convincing to do it. They're not worried about fat.

They're worried about eating a lot because eating a lot is far harder. I'm sorry, fat people. It's far harder than eating too little. When you're trying to eat to intentionally gain weight and keep gaining weight, and you're doing it with a productive diet that's high in protein, high in carbs, and moderate to low, not I wouldn't say low, but moderate in fat, you're eating pounds of food throughout the day. It's, I mean, you should listen to, I was just listening to this earlier. It was an interview with former Mr. Olympia, Jay Cutler, on Bradley Martin's podcast. He gave a nice history of his career and bodybuilding and everything that preceded it

and, you know, what happened afterwards too. But the part that pertains to this show is where he talks about how hard it was to eat. He was eating 1,000 carbohydrates a day. And he wasn't doing it drinking, you know, 2 liters of Coke. So for those of you who think it's easy to eat 1,000 carbohydrates a day, is because you're eating the wrong shit. When you're eating the right things, it's incredibly difficult. So the reason that this topic tends to come up from time to time is because the guys who are skinny are skinny for a reason.

A lot of them, yes, have fast metabolisms that they also don't like to eat. And they also have to eat a lot more than some other people, but not always. Sometimes they're just not eating a lot in general. Occasionally you get the guy who burns 4,000 calories without doing anything. Most of the time, you get a guy who burns 2,500 to 3,000 and doesn't want to eat more than that. I wouldn't say this is a common issue that we run into, but when you're lifting weights, you see these people probably more often than somebody interacting with people in a different context.

So those guys can lose weight easy. We hate them typically. They have a hard time building muscle. But who needs to lose? The real fat guy, right? The guy who has the big, giant bowling ball-shaped body, you know, fat rolls, etc. You know, the obese phenotype, the picture of the obese person that you see, you know, the guy in the memes, right?

That person needs to lose weight, probably 50 to 100 pounds. That's an extreme weight loss, right? It's probably critical from both a functional standpoint and from a health standpoint that that person loses weight. Now, the problem when somebody's that large is they also think they have more muscle mass than they do. And yes, they have more muscle mass than a lot of other. people because they're carrying around three to 400 pounds. So yes, they have more muscle mass. But as they lose weight, it's one of those things. If you don't use it, you lose it. So the common strategy that people in that category default to is weight loss through diet, where they just

reduce their calories nowadays through low carb, sometimes through low fat, sometimes through just I need a 1,200 calorie diet because somebody told me that, right? And no exercise or they start out walking and then move to more and more cardio. Minimal lifting, if any, at all. And they end up losing all of that muscle mass that supported their fat self. And, you know, get the saggy skin. There's not much you can do about that that requires surgery. But in some cases, you know, they just get kind of squishy.

They look real skinny fat. And that could have been offset with proper training. which raises the big question. Why do we lift weights? We lift weights to build or preserve muscle, depending on what we're doing. If you are losing body weight and you're already lifting,

your goal is to preserve. If you're losing body weight and you've been a couch potato and now you've just started lifting weights, then the best thing that could happen is you're going to lose body fat, you're going to gain muscle mass because this is all new to your body.

So you're doing two things at once. Enjoy it, take advantage of it. Don't worry about the fucking number on the scale. because typically when somebody has 100 pounds to lose, they want to see that weight go down fast. They want to see three to six pound weight losses. I've heard higher numbers like 10. And honestly, just let it ride. As long as it's going down, you're getting stronger, you are going to get to your destination.

Now, if there is a legitimate health risk that could lead to a serious consequence in the short term, then you absolutely need to lose weight as fast as possible and who gives a shit about being strong. But a lot of times that's not the case. They just want to see the weight go down really fast. And if you're doing that, you're fucking it up and you're not taking advantage of the fact that with all that mass, you can lift heavier weights and your strength training will go better in a lot of ways. Obviously, if you're really fat, it's hard to get in position. You know, that starts to improve as you lose.

but other positions you can get into just fine. You might have to leg press because you can't squat effectively, and that's fine because you can run that up heavy. As the gut gets smaller and you start losing fat off of your obliques and lower back, you start to slide into position over time and you're able to squat. You know, it's a process. You want to take advantage of the size while you're losing. You also don't want to be stupid in the way you're dieting.

You don't want to just say, I need 1,200 calories because I'm a fat guy and I have a slow metabolism. meanwhile, you're drinking a case of Coke every day. You don't get to 400 pounds without trying. And by that I mean, you're probably drinking a lot of your calories because typically when you're 400 pounds, you start trying to find ways to move efficiently and not waste a lot of energy. That's where the fat and lazy phenotype comes from.

Bending over and standing back up at 400 pounds feels very different than at 200 pounds or 160 pounds. So you start cutting corners as you get heavier. And it eventually happens with food. You're not eating like Jay Cutler. You're not eating bowls and bowls and bowls of rice to put on that weight. You're drinking Coke. You're eating donuts probably.

You're eating pizza. You're eating out. You know, the whole fast food kills mantra is kind of funny because over the years, restaurant food has become more calorically dense than fast food. And it may have always been the case, but especially now. I think there was a salad. a cheesecake factory that was well over 1,000 calories if memory serves. I don't know if it quite hit 2,000, but it's worse than a big Mac at McDonald's,

but it's a salad, right? But then what's on the salad? You know, that's a whole other episode that we can go into, but I digress. If you're 400 pounds, you're probably drinking your calories. You're probably snacking your calories, you know, chips, donuts, cookies, ice cream, things like that that aren't filling in our bottomless pits. I knew a guy once that was, you know, six foot over 300 pounds, fat and strong, but he wasn't training.

He was just naturally muscular and he did lift weights in his younger years. And the guy would eat entire loads of bread with sticks of butter, you know. I don't know if he finished a whole stick in a day, but typically a loaf of bread a day and a bunch of butter and then other food and then whole milk because somebody told them that skim milk is bad. They take all the good things out. It's a blue collar guy. It didn't nerd out on this stuff quite as much as I did. And it was 325 pounds. And then you always get the line from these people.

I don't really eat that much, but I can't lose weight. And I think in a lot of cases, they're telling the truth, you know, because it doesn't take a large volume of food when you're eating high fat and you're drinking your calories, right? So you're drinking a lot of your calories. Fat packs on a lot of calories. And then the carbs, you don't really have to try so hard like Mr. Olympia does. because you're getting plenty of calories elsewhere. So it's important for this guy to train because, yes, training doesn't directly cause weight loss,

but training helps skew that weight loss towards fat, which is what we want to lose. Unfortunately, that means you don't get those big wins on the scale every week, and that's okay. What are we trying to do, lose fat or make a number on the scale move? I mean, how much money is on the line here? Did you make a bet with somebody at the office? Is that why the scale is so fucking important? I mean, lately when I've gained and lost, why I stop looking at the fucking thing. Eventually, you get dual rhythm with this after you've done it a few times.

And you know how it works. But if you've done it a few times wrong, where you're getting these big five to 10 pound weight losses from water weight, and you're starving yourself, and you're losing 100 pounds and gaining 120 back. And guess what? You lost muscle on the way down. You never lifted. And then on the way back up, you're gaining a bunch of body weight without training. What do you think that body weight's going to be?

Now you're getting fast. It's not like you're regaining the muscle you lost. So, you know, the very, very obese guy needs to lose weight. He needs to train so he doesn't look like shit when he's done losing weight. If you're one of these people, it's 400 pounds. Evaluate your liquid calories. Are you drinking a case of Coke every day? Are you drinking a case of beer every day?

You know, I had a guy, I don't know if he still watches this. You know, he pops in on my inbox or on one of the forums I sit on. I still sit on forums, people. you know, he asked me if he could drink a gallon of beer a day. I think you know how I answered that, but I think he was half serious. I still fuck with him about it here and there. You know, so if you're drinking a bunch of beer, and by a bunch of beer, I mean more than a couple of beers, you know, 12 ounce beers that are 4 to 6% alcohol by volume. Not three to five IPAs that are 10%, you know, that's going to have more calories.

So people, as the percentage goes up with alcohol, the calories go up. More alcohol equals more calories. It's the second most calorically dense substance in a food with fat being the most calorically dense. You know, I hesitate to call alcohol and nutrient. But like the other macronutrients, there is a calorie cost with it. You just can't really use an energy very well. So, you know, are you consuming a lot of alcohol?

Are you consuming a lot of regular soda? and then you've got to go down the list from there because those are the easiest pathways to accumulating a lot of calories are liquid calories and the thing is because it's liquid we're not the best at recalling things I'm getting real shitty at it the busier I get

like I couldn't tell you what I did this morning I mean if I thought hard about it I probably could but as you become a busier human being and I think that social media and having to live a chunk of your life in cyberspace has contributed to this, you don't remember things, right? So I think that some of this dietary self-reporting where people forget shit they had,

I don't remember drinking a case of Coke today. That's because they're drinking it and doing something else. You know, they're drinking the beer and doing something else. They're eating the M&Ms or the cookies or the Oreos and doing something else. The mind is doing so many things. The recall of what somebody ate today, especially a busy adult, human is not going to be great. But if you're 400 pounds, you probably drank your calories.

Because why don't we have as many 400 pound people years ago? I guess we didn't have as many people. But in proportionality, a large proportion of the U.S. population was not morbidly obese. And a large proportion still isn't, but a greater proportion is now than was 50 years ago. And what's changed? The food supplies changed. The economy has changed. You went from a more physically active economy where you had more laborious jobs to a less physically active economy, where now we have a lot of information work.

We have a lot of adult children that live with their parents and play video games. We have video games too. But I think the change in the food supply is the biggest change. You're getting more of it. At one point it was more of it for less. I think that is shifting. I do think, and this is probably another episode, that if we got rid of the farm bill, if we repealed the farm bill, so for those of you who don't know what it is, look it up. It's a bill that Congress signs every year where they subsidize agriculture. They're basically paying farmers to grow so much of these crops that are handpicked by the government, that have been handpicked by the government since the 1930s, since the Great Depression, to keep the price.

at a certain level. So they send subsidies and they also have price supports, which are just as they sound. The government pays to support the price of these crops. And what are these crops? We have corn, soy, wheat, sugar, and then this isn't a crop, but there's dairies also subsidized, right? So what does that do? Now you have bureaucrats in D.C. deciding how much of these crops farmers should produce. And you know how it goes with government budgets for those of you who have been in a government institution? I have in academia. I've worked with police officers and retired police officers when I'm doing my canine works. I've made some good friends there. So it's kind of like there's a theme that I've heard from everybody. And when the government budgets a certain amount for something, you have to use all of it or they might cut your budget next year. So what are these people going to do when they produced all this soy, corn, wheat, sugar, and I'm drawing a blank. corn, soy, wheat, sugar, and one of these days I'll get them all, and dairy, right? Well, they got to use it, so they find ways to use it efficiently.

Now, put your little thinking caps on, people. What are some of the top ingredients in junk food when you look at a label? Soybean oil, corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, wheat, there's dairy, It doesn't mean that all these things are inherently bad. It means that they're putting them in food in concentrated amounts that make the food taste much better, but also keeps the cost of these things low. So I have this theory, and I've been down this rabbit hole so many times, and I'm pretty confident saying it on the air,

I have this theory if we just got rid of the fucking subsidies, that a lot of this shit would get more expensive. And obviously, the extreme eaters would still buy it, just like when governments have... have imposed smoking taxes, which I oppose. Some drink, I think alcohol tax is high. I oppose that too. But the extremes of the groups that consume these substances,

or that use these substances, they continue to use at the same rates. They find other places to cut. So we're not trying to deal with that. I mean, I guess if it gets expensive enough, everybody gets uncomfortable, but that hasn't been proven through taxation. But if you get rid of the subsidies, that addresses a lot of this issue.

You make what the market demands, right? That's a whole other long discussion on the economics of this. But a good case study would be New Zealand. In the 1980s, they repealed all their agricultural subsidies. And I don't believe that they have nearly the number of food options that we have here. And I think it's fair to say we have too many damn options that are heavily driven by this. I mean, people are eating this stuff. It's good, but it's also cheap.

You know, there's a lot of good stuff that's expensive that we just don't buy, right? It's good and it's historically been cheap. Now it's good and it's fucking expensive. And I think if I want to go get out, I mean, I like ice cream. I'm not going to throw ice cream into the mix. I like ice cream and frozen custard. These are foods that have existed for ages. They're not innovative pieces of junk food.

They're, what's the word I want to use for this? They're indulgences, if I may, that have existed. existed for a long time. And I think I paid six or seven dollars for a couple of scoops of frozen custard. I think ice cream was like $8 or something like that. So I've always treated that stuff like a luxury, so it's not something I eat all the time. I don't keep it in my house. But my point is that's really how that stuff should be, you know.

And I think that these food companies have had an artificial overhead situation because of the federal government continuing to subsidize these crops long past the time and history where it might have made sense and I say might with a lot of skepticism. That is not a topic I'm an expert in, but is one I'm well read in. So 400 pound guy or gal evaluate what the fuck you're drinking and pay attention to little things you're grabbing throughout the day. It adds up the activity helps. The lifting helps a lot. The lifting is what makes you look. look good when you lose weight. Well, let me clarify that. The lifting is what makes you look good naked when you lose weight. Sure, when you lose weight and your 400 pounds, you get down to 200 pounds,

yes, you look better in clothing. But that's not what you're looking at. You know that's not where you're looking at. You're not like, damn, I look good in this shirt. You might say, damn, I feel great that I'm a size, whatever, or that I can wear jeans again. You might say some of those things, but you're looking at yourself in the mirror naked, and that's what you care about. And if you want that picture to improve, then you need to lift weights. Lifting weights is an integral part of that equation, because the stronger you get in the process, the more dense, strong, and defined your muscles become so that when you lose the weight, you're not a squishy, skinny pile of shit. That goes for the ladies, too. This isn't just men. So, you know, that's the real big

fat guy. What about everybody else? everybody else falls into this category that I talk about on this show quite a bit. Skinny fat. You look normal in clothing, maybe slightly chubby. You know, you might have a few pounds to lose, but you look normal in clothing. You're wearing normal clothing sizes. You're not super fat. You don't look like a fat person to the naked eye.

But, you're, you know, you're soft and squishy and you don't like it. You know, this is probably the most common phenotype that you run into. This person thinks they need to lose more. fat than they do in many cases because all they're looking at is the fat they're not understanding the muscle mass part of the equation you're probably weak you probably don't lift and you need to get your ass in the weight room train clean up your diet you're going to lose some fat probably lose some body weight initially and then your body's going to become harder denser stronger more useful and more difficult to fucking kill it's pretty simple

if you're 185 pounds at 5 foot 9 and a man and you think you're fat, chances are it's a training problem more than it's a body fat problem, but I know what you want to do, 185 pound skinny fat guy. You want to go down to 145 pounds so you could see your abs. And then you look like Christian Bale and the machinist. Look that up. I think he was 120 actually. But 145, I mean, at that point it ain't much better, you know.

It's like sick or sicker, right? So there's that issue. If you're a woman and you're 5 foot 4 and you're 130 pounds and you're bitching about the same thing that you're squishy, chances are you're not lifting weights. And if you are, you're using the pink dumbbells doing silly circuit training and making a lifting workout into cardio. It's not cardio. The purpose of this is to make your muscles harder and denser so that they look better. You want to look like you do something. Then you got to do something.

I'll be strong. A lot of the time toned, toned is strong. A toned muscle is typically a strong muscle. Tone means the degree to which the muscle is contracted, or the term that the lay public uses, is flexed, the degree to which the muscle is contracted in a resting position. So without you doing anything, how hard, dense, and defined is your muscle? the more hard, dense and defined the muscle is, or more toned it is, the stronger it is.

So why do I give a fuck about strength? Because for most of you, you're not strong bodybuilders chasing the last 3% of muscle definition to compete in a bodybuilding show. That's not most of you. Most of you have never pushed yourself in the weight room in terms of weight. You haven't experienced intensity. You don't know what it's like to lift heavy. Your nervous system is not good at using those muscles, and that's why you're not that fucking defined. And continuing to turn it into a cardio workout because your favorite bodybuilder told you to or your favorite influencer told you to ignores the reality of the situation.

You're weak. You're weak, and your muscles don't function as well as they could. You need to focus on strength because strength is going to have the strongest correlation, no pun intended, to how you look. A stronger you will be a better looking. you. But if you're sitting there pumping away at, you know, 45 pound squats for sets of 15 with no rest paired up with 25 pound lunges, ladies, and then a bunch of other single-leg exercises, you're not going to go anywhere. Your legs aren't going to get that much harder. They're not going to get denser. They're not going to get toned. Your ass isn't going to grow. None of the shit you want is going to happen because you're just training yourself to stay weak. We can condition,

That's great. Your heart and lungs need it. You're weak in condition, but you're still fucking weak. That's why you're not getting the look, the look that you're looking for. And same with the guys. You know, you're benching 95 pounds for 10 sets of 10. Congratulations. You warmed up for about a half an hour. You didn't do shit. You're doing a bunch of arm curls with 25s, 10 sets of 10 or five sets of 15 with 30 seconds rest. Congratulations. You warmed up, gave yourself a burn, maybe got a mild cardio stimulus. And that's it. You know, it's like jerking off and saying you got laid, you know. That's not how it works. You have to train. You got to train hard. If you're super fucking strong, you're not watching this show. You're not here. You know, people watching this, paying attention are people struggling. Not people that did well. Not the guy who pulled 500 in high school, bench 315, and went on to be a bodybuilder as an adult. Right? That's not you. Most of you are not that. guy. Most of you had to work to look better than you did or need to if you're new to this show. Okay. So that starts with strength. The thing that the big guy or the naturally athletic looking girl told you that you didn't need to do because she didn't have to do it or he didn't have to do it. Because they had gifts and then maybe a little bit of help. Not going to say everybody that looks good is on drugs. But in this fear, a lot of them are because you can look even. better. But I've known guys that just look like fitness models in high school without doing anything.

Then they start lifting and you'd think they're on drugs. Then when they get on drugs, they're competing in bodybuilding shows. So, you know, the old saying, don't judge a book by its cover. You know, that really applies here because you can get 15 different body types to start lifting weights and get 15 different sets of results from the same program. Do not compare yourself to somebody else. I know it's hard and I know you want to. And I know from a competitive standpoint, if you're in a sport, you got to look at the other guy. You need somebody to hate. Just make sure you get beers afterwards. And to the victor goes, the spoils. But, you know, focus on how your own body is responding because this shit works differently for everybody.

But, again, if you are the big fat guy that looks at food and has dreams about food and gains weight, you know who you are. You're dreaming about food. You know who I'm talking about. You're never not hungry. If you're that guy, yeah, you probably need to lose weight, but you need to train, and it doesn't need to be 1,200 calories. You just need to find a way to deal with the hunger while you go down. That's something I can help with, and I've helped several guys with it.

If you're the skinny fat guy, you probably need to clean up your diet, but you need to train. And then at some point, when the training gets hard, you need to allow yourself to grow and eat more food to support that, even if it means you don't get abs this time around. You know, that can come later. And when it does, it's going to look better and you're not going to regret that you did it. Okay. And, you know, if you're the real skinny guy, suck it up, man. You got another job now.

Your second job is to eat food so that your girlfriend or wife's legs aren't bigger than yours. They don't like it. They don't like it. So that's my little weight loss ramp for the week. I think that's all I want to talk about today. So I'll close out on that note. Thank you for tuning in to the strong and sleek. podcast. You can find me at strong and sleek.com. If you are local to Metro Phoenix, I'm located in

the Scottsdale Air Park off of Rain Tree in the 101. You can find the address on the website. I'm on Instagram at the underscore Robert underscore Santana. The gym is on Instagram at Strong underscore and underscore sleek. We are on YouTube. For those of you listening who haven't watched, if you're curious to watch, we're on YouTube.com. slash at strong and sleek. Thank you for tuning in, and I will see you next week.