Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 360 - Wherefore Art Thou, Batman?

Episode Date: May 16, 2019

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Right. One is Voss and Bonnie's, my wife hates me because it is just a shit show, and it is awesome. And that Bonnie McFran, their kid, did you, have you heard this story that Rich Voss told about their kids? She's now 11. She's growing up with these two comedians, and both of them have, you know, really a Serbic wit, right? And Bonnie McFarland particularly, she just likes to say shitty things for no reason. And she gets, and she makes people mad doing it. But if you get her, and I don't understand how other comedians don't get it.

But she's hilarious. And this kid, Raina Voss, has picked up this, you know, She's got a double dose of a sense of humor genes. Okay. And you remember Tim Dillon? You met Tim. He came down, did a show for us for E.T.N. comedy. Really brilliant comedian, up and coming, going to be huge.

His, the crowd here loved him. Yes. And so, but, you know, he has an issue he likes to eat. And so Raina and Bonnie were apparently at the Comedy Center, seller doing something with Tim and when they left the when they when they were leaving Raina turns around says see you later fatso to Tim Gillott and this 11 year old girl and when they get out to this to the street Bonnie says look he's my friend I'm working with him you have to be nicer to people you have to be nice to him so the next day they were back doing this thing and

When they were leaving, Raina turns to him and says, it was a pleasure to see you today, Fatso. Oh, no. Oh, no. So that kid is somebody to watch. I love it when they're on the show. Well, anyway, so Voss and Bonnie is one. Michael Malice, Nightshade is another one.

I listen to him every night when I'm doing my ablutions before I go to bed, because he's on from 11 to 11.30. and the third one is D.C. on screen. These two guys, Jason Goss and David C. Robertson, do this podcast. And for some reason, I love these guys. I've been on their show. They've been on our show. And I'm welcoming them back today.

Hello, Jason and David. Thank you for being on the show today. Thanks for having us. Yeah, it's, we've done this kind of bit in the past where Jason and David will ask me comic book related medical questions. And one of them, were you guys going to ask me the one about the chiropractor in not Nanda Parabot? What's the name of that place with the pit? Did they have a name? What's the name?

What's the name of it? I thought it was just Tunisia. Oh, okay. Was it Tunisia? Tunisia. I don't know. I thought there was a name of that place. But anyway, I didn't know if we were going to talk about that today again, because I think I did that on your show, but I don't think I did it on my show. And I came up with... I think everyone needs to know. I do, too. I think I really came up with an interesting answer for that. And I'd like to look smart on my own show. But so maybe we could get to that at some point today. But they do that. And then I just like to talk to them about DC stuff. And they also have a Patreon. It's what Patreon does. dot com slash dc on screen where they'll actually branch out and do some marvel things and other things that have jason's pick of the week and uh they did a review of uh end game which i found very entertaining

and uh and i agreed with 100 percent and uh but anyway it's great to have you guys on i've got a bunch of questions for you about the dc extended universe and dc tv stuff and uh but let's you're the You're the guests. I'll let you guys go first. You want to hit him up? All right. I got some questions for you. Sure.

Let me pull it back up. Okay. All right. So the first one, we'll start at the bottom of the list since it's the closest. Okay. Basically, if you've been watching Arrow recently. I have not. I gave up on Arrow about two seasons ago.

I made it through half the Damien Dark season, and then I just kind of lost interest. down the road I'll get influenza again and I'll be you know this is what happened to me I got influenza and they forced me to be out of work for seven days and I watched four seasons of Arrow you know in five days nice so that's how I got into it and then I just my my son really liked it and he went a little farther than I did but I kind of lost interest so I don't know what's going on now well you're about halfway right I feel like because every half season I'll go like oh we were completely wrong this is amazing and then like the next half season it'll come out I'm like this is absolute

garbage what will be doing here yeah the show fluctuates between dumpster fire and you know masterpiece very quickly it's really hard to predict I mean like it'll be killing it for episode after episode and like eight in a row we just nailed it and then three where I could not possibly care yeah yeah no I understand I totally get it well anyway but what's your question about this season's arrow. It might get me into it. I don't know if this particular

scene will. I mean, there's some fine points coming up. And you'll have a chance to wrap it up in general because the show is going to wrap up after a short run next season. Oh, is that right? They have 10 episodes. Yeah. Okay, now, I like shows that have a beginning,

a middle, and an end, so that might actually get me back into it. It does have an end, but it's also on the CW and superhero shows there. It's like cutting off the head of a hydrant, two more coming after it so this is not the end by any stretch and they don't really literally kill it some of them really kind of don't end they do more like my well this is grotesque but was sort of more like my you know when i when i was a kid and i would ejaculate i could shoot across the room i remember

one time i was having sex with a woman and uh you know i saw sort of a um it's something like Mary thing happened where she had some of my ejaculate in her hair. That's how far I ejaculated. And now it just kind of goes... That is impressive. And now it just kind of goes mu-muh. You know, it's the best sound like that's... Just spills

into existence. And some of these C.W. shows, that's kind of how their finales are just kind of... Yeah. We fear the worst for it. But it... Particularly Gotham. Gotham. We'll talk about that too. But I digress. There was a lot going on to that one.

I need to go straight from ejaculate to what I'm about to describe. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I have this weird circuit in my head that gives me these strange sort of juxtapositions. And then I have to say that. That's going to have a strange one. That's right. Anyway, go ahead.

So it's, it's, uh, Dina Lance, um, Black Canary. Yes. You know, she's got canary cry in the show. She's, that's, she's the full version. I thought it was Laurel Lance. Well, what, there's a, many a canary. Okay. Many a canary have been.

Uh, we're on one now that has the actual. actual canary cry. Who the hell is Dinah on the show, though? You've not seen her yet if you stopped in. Okay, all right. But she is a lance, though. She's a proper lance. But she's not one of our... She's not related to anyone.

Right. Okay, but okay, whatever. Okay. It's stupid. It's stupid. We are, they've already established Dinah Lance as being Laurel and Sarah's mother, but then they just haven't even brought her back in. Oh my God. Bring back Alex Kingston, but whatever. Okay, so anyway, it's Dinah Lance.

is the Dina who is the Black Canary in the comics that I've read okay if you had never watched an episode and you sat down and watched this you would think that they'd established her from day one because she's she fits the mold most I guess the most okay so

a few episodes ago someone just straight up slits her throat okay you see why I didn't want to go from ejaculate to that so I mean you know bleeding out they find her in time My real problem is like three weeks later She's lost her canary cry now

She's got it but it's like real super It's just basically gone But my problem is like three weeks later She's back at work And I'm just saying Any chance? Any chance? This is the kind of shit That drives me crazy

As a physician and I'll tell you why And this will come around to what What you're asking me about If you have an 18 year old basketball player and they die tragically, and we do CPR on them, the odds that 18-year-old basketball player in the prime of their life is going to survive is about 15%. We're no good at bringing people back from the brink of death, right, or from death itself. But our patients think we're a lot better at this than we are, and you know why?

Because if they did a study on this recently, that if you have a cardiac arrest on a TV show or a movie, it's 76%. percent chance that you will survive and not only survive but run around the rest of the movie. If you ever seen that movie The Abyss, which I know you guys have, you know, they're in one submarine and they've got to get to the other submarine, but they only have one suit. And so Mary Elizabeth Mastr Antonio says, just take me over to the other side, I will die, but then resuscitate me on the other side. And it's what they do. It's a brilliant plot device. They get her over there. you know, Ed Harris is, you know, doing CPR and mouth to mouth and pounding on her chest and going, breathe, damn you. And all of a sudden she goes, you know, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap, pap, and spits out a bunch of water. And then she's running away from aliens the rest of the movie.

It does not work that way. See, I've heard, though, for the same reason, I saw a study where there's a drastic difference in the percentage of people who go, yes, on the DNR from doctors to civilians. No, that's right. That's right. And that's why. Doctors basically said, no, if I'm going to, just leave it. Doctors see the futility of this, and patients see what they see on TV and movies. Where else are they going to see it?

They're not in the hospital every day. So this is the kind of thing. Now, this is complete and utter horseshit. You know, if they, now, if you slit somebody's throat in a very precise way, you could, there's this chrycothyroid cartilage. You know, there's a chrychoid cartilage. the thyroid cartilage if you feel your atom's ab. That's why I sound weird because I'm feeling mine. But there's a place between those two.

And you can, if someone has an occluded airway, you can stick up a little pen knife in between those two cartilages and open up a hole. You can stick in a, you know, a pen even or a bunch of straws or whatever, anything to hold it open. And you can do what's called a chrycothyroidomy on them and you can save their life. This is one thing that we learn in trauma, life support. If you do that and you pull that, it'll heal up in a matter of weeks to months and they'll actually be okay. So if someone did a very precise slitting of Laurel's throat or of Dinah's throat, then yes, she could come back and yes, it could screw up her vocal cords to the point where she couldn't do the scream anymore.

But anything, you know, when they do it in TV shows, they go from left to right. You know, they do the old Jack the Ripper on them. And when you do that, you're cutting jugular vein. You're cutting carotid arteries on both sides. It's going to go real quick then. Without microsurgery, you're going to die from that. So, yeah, that's bullshit. But yes, you could slit somebody's throat in a very precise way that that would be right,

but that's not the way they do it on TV. Yeah, as far as how the scene continued, she's found by a group of angelantes who take her to a night nurse. Yes. Like an overnight shift lady? Yep. Yeah. And she somehow makes it.

So, yeah, that bitch is dead, right? Right. Yeah, she's dead. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, thankfully for TV, we still have Canary. She gone. Dead or at best, I mean, if they were really incompetent and just did a very shallow cut, then, of course, nothing would happen if they just cut the skin.

but that's, again, not what they were portraying on that show, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she was bleeding out. Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of blood. Yeah. Which was for the CW, kind of, I'm kind of surprised they got it across that scene in general. They don't like to show blood in certain situations. It's weird. Well, hell, Arrow, you know, the first season, he was just flat out killing people.

Oh, yeah. I loved that, though. I was like, damn. Parkcoring and snapping necks, man. Yeah, and he goes back to that every now. That's not completely out of the show. It's hard to predict. All right, let me get you the next one.

Let's go into my question. This is a pet peeve I've been wondering about for a while. So the way I see it, the human race has evolved in certain ways. But one of them is we evolved fiction. So back at some point in our evolution, at some point there was a, the only story you knew was your own story. And it involved other people. And then at some point it involved maybe a religion or an over-encompassing story. But it's still really just your story.

And then we started telling other stories and myths happen and legends happen. And eventually just actual narrative fiction happens. Yeah. We're at a point now where I'll bet you watch probably at least 25 shows. Yeah. Average person. I bet you'd listen to probably at least a dozen podcasts. Maybe you've got four or five books. Or like myself, you've got eight different books with bookmarks in them.

Yeah. Depending on the mood you're in. And I've started to wonder, you know, with all these fractured stories in our minds, is there any cognitive dissonance you think might? Have you ever run across anything that would indicate this is actually maybe bad for us or something we weren't, we weren't prepared for? I did a course on the history of fiction, and apparently back in the day, and I'm talking about Middle Ages, if it was published in a book, people thought it was real. Just like it is if it's on the Internet now. It didn't matter, right? That's a damn good point, Dr. Scott, I'm going to give you one of these.

Give yourself a bill. And when, if you remember the great train robbery film, it was a silent movie. And at the end, the guy pointed a gun at the camera and pulled the trigger and everybody in the theater ducked. Now, if you see this now, you're laughing. If you show a photograph to someone in like an Aboriginal in, I don't know where it is, is Papua New Guinea or one of those places where they don't ever. ever see people and they showed them a photograph Siberian places that yeah or they've never seen it actually still isolated they've never seen anything and they will show them a photograph of

themselves and they won't know what it is it just looks like blobs but if you have one of those things with a little lenticular screen that'll move or you show them a moving picture they'll get it and then all of a sudden it coalesces in their brain and now they can see a picture and see it for what it is. So the idea of representation suddenly makes sense. Yes, that's right. So there is some plasticity to our brain. And, you know, if you took you and me and never exposed us to some of these things, we would be the same way.

And so as far as how it affects us, dude, I have no idea. There are studies that show that people who are addicted to their screens, it is doing them some palpable harm. And there's actually changes in the structure of the brain. Down the road, it actually might be a good thing, but it doesn't drive our evolution in any way in the sense that it doesn't actually change the structure of the brain in generations to come unless we start selecting our offspring or our sexual partners based on some factor that has something to do with this. And then now you'll have structures down the road that may change over time. But other than that, you know, I think that's an impossible question to answer, but it's very interesting. You know, hypothetically, though, someone who is too involved in story time is less likely to get late. Yeah, that's right.

Well, if you remember the first time you and I talked, you had a baby, and I said, oh, well, you're the one who's actually had sex, you know, of the two of them. Now David's got a baby, so we know he's had an intercourse at least once. No, I don't have a baby. No, you don't? I thought you just had a wife I'm married oh well that doesn't mean anything but he has copulated we've talked about it yeah but okay well that's good okay I'm glad um but you're right yeah if you're so involved in the screen that you don't have time or the inclination to have intercourse you're not going to pass those genes down that's

probably a good thing so that's yeah it's possible yeah so you're betting on graham matter though yes do you think there's enough plasticity that we can we can overcome this little yes i think so i think so did you guys ever read um stranger in a strange land yes no okay well david knows um in that book the martian language would actually change the structure of the brain and if you learned you could actually manipulate the environment around you so the people that understood martian could um make things float or make things disappear bigger and smaller and stuff like that. And it was just purely from learning this language

because it changed, you know, as I said, the structure of their brain. I was trying to learn the Czech language. And it is the most effed up language I've ever seen. It's one of those Indo-European languages where the nouns change depending on whether you're talking, whether it's the subject or the object of the sentence. or if

if you're taking action on it or excuse me don't die I'm dying damn hang on I'll cut this part up I would help but I don't know what the

fucking allergies yeah only the people hearing this live are going to have to hear this cluster hang on a second sorry boys it's okay i have time to grab a drink you selfish bastard oh

well that hadn't happened in a while um so um yeah this this language the nouns change depending on whether the noun is the subject or object of a sentence whether you're doing action on the noun or the action is

being done by the noun and I could tell my brain wasn't plastic enough to get this. Now, if I had been born in the Czech Republic, I would be doing it automatically. Or if you were still eight years old. Or if I, yeah, yeah, maybe even younger than that, though. You know, if you have an infant and you speak six languages to them, they'll compartmentalize all six languages. They'll never speak German to the Spanish speaker,

and they can just absorb them effortlessly. Whereas you and I, I mean, at least for me, very difficult for me to pick up a new concept like that. Okay, that's awesome. I'm going to start speaking to my daughter exclusively in Spanish. Well, you, are you fluent in Spanish? No, I'm intermediate. Okay. No, you should. You should. You could pick a day of the week. I have friends. This has nothing to do with what you asked me, by the way, but it's just interesting. I have friends who are from Bangalore. Okay, so it's southern India. They speak a language called Kanada. They also speak Hindi and their kids

can understand it but they won't speak to them. So their kids really aren't bilingual. And I said, you know, all you have to do, you know, if you came to this country, just speak your language to your kids. They'll pick up English from TV,

radio, their friends, and from school, and they'll be native English speakers. But if you want them to be bilingual, don't let them stop their feet and refuse to answer you in your language, you know? Just to, just ignore them if they speak English to you. But it's too late now, their kids are 15 and 16,

and they really don't speak their language. But, yeah, how old is your baby now? Just turned six months a day. Well, there you go. You could pick Tuesdays and just speak Spanish to her. Awesome. And she would pick that stuff up really quickly. Or you could get a Spanish nanny.

Here's another kind of cool thing. I have a friend who moved to China. She had a daughter. uh that was born in china and uh when she was two she took her to preschool maybe she was three and she said this kid doesn't doesn't speak uh i i think she may have be developmentally delayed because all she does is babble when she went to pick the kid up that evening they said oh no she speaks just fine she's babbling yes but she's babbling in chinese and my friend didn't speak chinese you know fluently enough to be able to understand what she was saying and what it was

was they had a Chinese, you know, all-pair that was living in the house with them. And she spent all the time with this kid. And the kid had just effortlessly picked up Chinese and still speaks Chinese. It was crazy. Wow. That is awesome. No, anyway. All right.

In other words, can you tell I have no answer for you on that one? I had to divert. I didn't think that one would, like that, to me, that one's a series of studies. But, yeah. All right, we'll give you some one that's just more speculative. Okay. Humans, at this very moment, do you have anything that, do we have anything going on it? Because we're pretty cool.

Yeah. Anything you would consider a legit superpower, like something you think we could, that if we didn't have it, we would be writing about it in comic books. Okay, so I've thought a lot about this. Humans, you know, live on a bill curve. There are people that are way far to the right, you know, way far beyond two standard deviations of the mean. there was a guy in my class that you could give him two numbers between 500 and 600

and he could square them faster in his head than you could do it on a calculator so you'd say 527 and you'd go 1,100 111,526 before you could ever even put the numbers in that's sort of a superpower but what uses it

I think a superpower is being things you can fight crime or fight aliens with so otherwise seems to be a bit flashing who cares otherwise you know and if you think about it uh superman didn't have just one superpower the flash he's just set the flash has you know he's fast and he's you know one with the speed force but he also has to have super healing and if he's going to run at the speed of light his skin at when he's doing that has to be able to withstand you know, almost infinite friction, right, so that he doesn't burn up. So it's not just one superpower. He's got other things.

And he's so many ways you can apply his speed that now he can do phasing and all this other stuff. Exactly, right. Well, it'll be fair about his skin. They do give him a frictionless suit. Yeah, but he has exposed. They do science fiction that. That's true, but he has exposed skin, though, too. It doesn't cover his whole body.

He does. They kind of say that the speed force kind of wraps him up in a little bubble while he's using it. Okay. It's a bit vague. Yeah, there you go. I saw, I think, Brian Michael Bendis, I think, came up with a way that Johnny Storm could be the human torch, that he had pores that would actually exude gas, and somehow he would ignite it, and so he could float around, you know, with this gaseous, you know, flammable gas somehow. It doesn't really make sense if you think about what Johnny Storm actually does. But there are people that really far exceed our abilities, and one of those are people that don't have the protein myastatin. This protein myastatin inhibits muscle growth.

And people or animals that have this deficiency, have larger muscles, very little body fat, and they have inherent super strength. So this is the sort of David, what was his name in Unbreakable? David Drake now that's not right David done done thank you might have had you can count on Dave

might have had a myostatin deficiency there is a guy that is impervious to cold and not only impervious to cold but he in that you know he can tolerate it but he actually

can run on frozen tundra and doesn't get frostbite he can raise his body temperature at will yeah that guy is yes he can. And they put him in the laboratory and watched him do it. And that is a medical mystery. Again, probably some genetic change where he's able to mobilize burning fat to increase his body temperature. But nobody understands that guy yet. You know what? If you're married, that's a superpower. Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, but the way you defined it, that may technically be a superpower. But who the hell cares? I can't write a book about it. He could fight, you know, criminals in the nude in the Arctic, I guess. Yeah, in that isolated environment.

Does that help anything? I really want to write that character now. And I'm serious, he's never, he has the best marriage ever because he's never fighting about the thermostat. That's right, right. He can regulate his temperature. He'd be all the therapists. So he would be a superhero to his wife, just like David said. That's exactly right.

There's a Mary Lou Henner is a, is an example of someone that has a hyper, perfect memory, hyperphotographic memory, but you know what's interesting? So you can tell her that any date, as long as it was a time when she was alive, she can tell you what day it was and what happened on that day. And she's got this diary and stuff. And she can quote certain newspaper headlines and things like that. But what's interesting is the psychologists say, This is a super form of super narcissism because it's all stuff relating to her. So as long as it's related to her, she can remember it with this crazy idetic type of memory. If it's related to anything else, she's got no clue.

Yeah. It's kind of like if she was trying to remember her as many digits of pie as possible, but you'd go 3.14159, I think it was. But you'd go down that same line the entire time. And somebody suggested, no, what she's doing is she's reliving her life. over and over again every second and remembering it better because she's that narcissistic. Yeah, yeah. It's called hyperthymesia and it allows her to pinpoint the smallest details of her life on any given day.

Now, if you want to read a book about a guy that had an insane memory, read a mind of a nemonist. And if you're looking at up, remember a nemonist starts with a silent M for the people who are out there listening. And this guy could remember huge lists of things that a psychologist gave him. that maybe 10, 20 years later and they could be lists of 100 objects long and I remember one time he forgot a candy cane or something and they said why did you skip

he got 99 out of 100 10 years later and he said oh the candy cane now I know I forgot that because when I was walking by I leaned it against a brick wall and when I walked by I didn't see it it was camouflaged. And that kind of gave some insight into how his brain worked. Isn't that interesting?

That's a superpower. That little piece of the brain palace didn't show up. Yeah, yeah. And that's a superpower, but what the hell would you do with it? You know, you... Well, I mean, I guess you could write Sherlock. Yes. But we've kind of done that, though.

Yeah, that's right. That's about it. So anyway, but so, yes, there are people that have what we would consider sort of extreme abilities. Now, are they superpowers? Not anything interesting enough for me to make a super team out of them. Speaking of super teams, you guys are fans of Doom Patrol. We need to get the word out about this show. Oh, yeah.

Drop everything you're doing. It's fantastic. It is fantastic. If you were looking for a reason to sign up for DC Universe, and I think they will eventually bounce a lot of their shows out to Netflix and internationally. So if you can't get DC Universe right now, you will be able to see these shows eventually.

But if you're looking for a reason, man, not only every comic for the last 80 years is about to be, they're going to slowly add them onto the service. Doom Patrol and Titans alone, their masterpieces. Yeah, yeah, it really is. My kids watch Titans with me, and now they're watching Doom Patrol. And my wife has been asking about Doom,

I'm going to watch it all over again. I'm going to start from the beginning and watch it with her because I really think she's going to enjoy it. She liked Umbrella Academy a lot, and I think Doom Patrol is a lot deeper, psychologically for people who don't know this is um you guys can probably explain it better than me but the

thing I like about it is it shows the psychological trauma of the shit that people go through if they actually had superpowers I mean these people are psychologically damaged and I think most people if they went through what they're going through instead of going

hey let's put on a suit and go solve crimes they would be like that you know they're an absolute wreck very psychologically damaging Oh, yeah, and they explore it in depth. I mean, it not only, it's kind of centered in some ways, some episodes, around Crazy Jane, who's 64 different personalities controlled, 64 different, differently empowered superpowered personalities, all controlled by one non-powered Jane.

Right, and she's hot as hell, too. Oh, gorgeous. And I don't know how she keeps track of how she's playing all of the different versions of herself. I mean, she's only doing, you know, a dozen or so right now. We haven't seen the whole canon, but that alone. Like, just her exploring herself would have been by itself this huge exploration of the human mind. But then you and all the other characters are exploring something entirely different. It's fantastic.

If you watched and enjoyed Tatiana Maslani's portrayal on Black Orchid, was it Black Orchid? Was it Black Orchid? It is Black Orchid, right? I don't see it. I think so. Yeah. Then you'll love this because she only did, and it was brilliant, five or six different iterations of herself. This woman will end up doing 64 over this series.

You know, they can mine this thing forever, you know, and just come up with another cool thing. There's plenty of to do. Diane Guerrero is very, very good. She actually just recently did the Jessica Cruz character in Justice League v. the Fatal Five. But she did a fantastic job there. I mean, it was an animated feature, but she doesn't sound like Crazy Jane at all. Yeah, that's amazing. And that was an animated feature where I would never show that to a kid.

I mean, at minimum 11 years old for me, just a ballpark, but still, it was, they did a great exploration of, like, in the first few minutes, her and her friends are attacked on a camping trip, and she watches her friends get executed. Wow. Wow. That was, this is an animated film. And then the first thing that she does is she wakes, they sure were waking up in, and, um, in her bed alone and she does the little mantra like every day i'm getting better in every way i think it's uh the the the therapist phrase yeah and she says it and she sits at the end of her bed and you just see her say bullshit when is dc going to translate um the real successes they've had

on the small screen to and i'm not look i'm not minim i'm one of the few that love bvs i loved it i particularly we adore the um the uh you know the the uh you know the the the uh you know the the the ultimate edition or whatever. Right. I thought that fixed all the problems with the theatrical edition. I like to think of it as the unmitigated edition. Yeah, there you go. Yes, very good, very good.

I would, but the depth of characterization, of course, having that long form being able to do it over 13 episodes makes a difference. But I would like to see some of that translated to the big screen because I think so many people have just gone, oh, D.C., you know, they've lost it or they've never had it. or whatever, and it pisses me off because the DC characters are characters I grew up with and loved my whole life, and you know, I started off reading Batman on the funny papers.

You know, they used to, there used to be a Sunday Funnies version of Batman. An actual comics version. Yeah. And I would really like to see them somehow be able to merge this because I'm seeing Marvel is getting ready to do this. I think their new TV things on the Disney Plus are going

to be more akin to what they're doing in the I'd really like to see the DC thing succeed for everybody. Yeah, me too. In numbers, I mean, as far as it sells, it has. Yeah, right. It's excelled. It's done better over six movies than Marvel did. I agree.

Totally agree. And I loathe comparisons, so I'm only doing this for the reason that it's the only scientific way I can do it. I do too, because I love everything. Right. So I only compare. it to say that financially they're doing fine it's just the uh there was a a wave of critical backlash and i think it's because um it's they kind of started with superman i mean they started

with the guy who started everything yeah we all love these characters 80 years worth of uh these stories there's all there's a version we love there's a version we're attached to there's a version we didn't like there's a couple years where he had bad hair or something like there's something yeah right but they kind of started with the big three over in dc and I think that polarized it just by the very nature of us already being attached to these characters whereas Marvel did a very smart thing

starting with B-listers Well, there's all And they're about to have a choice They're about to have to fund their way through the same murkiness Because every critic Who craps on these versions of Superman and Batman

They're either old people Who were really down with Christopher Reeve And that's their version of Superman Or they're really down with Adam West, or Michael Keaton, whoever, and they don't want to accept anything else. Yeah. Or they're millennials who are so hard-lined Marvel fans

because they were like, what, 10, 15 when Iron Man came out? They're literally raised on it. And they're like, oh, they're just trying to copy what Marvel's doing. Yeah. Well, no, sweetie. Let's go back and look at these stories in the comic books. Most of these things came from D.C. first. Oh, yes, they did.

And Deadpool is a great example of that. Absolutely. He was a complete and a hudder rip off. I mean, his name even rhymes with Wade Wilson. People don't know what we're talking about. Oh, yeah. But it's a real thing. I mean, Slade Wilson, you know.

And that's fine. They did it all the time. Like, these, the writers changed hands. They would just get bored writing a series, and D.C. would call, and they'd go, hey, you want to write this guy for a while? And they go, hell, yeah. Yeah. And then they'd be back at Marvel five years later.

And no one cared. There wasn't, they didn't have camps. Like, we invented these camps. and we're imprisoning ourselves within these camps. This is all made up by the fans. I love everything. I like Black Horse, DC, Marvel, IDW, all of those things. So, you know, I just want everybody to succeed.

I just want good stuff out there. Yeah. But we know when Marvel gets into recasting of some of the bigger stars. It's going to start again, isn't it? It's going to start with the Marvel people. We're like, well, he's not as good as insert here. Right. Yeah, okay.

I'm sorry, buddy. Now you're filming. There's the passage of time. Sorry. really is true. There won't be anybody that's as good as Robert Downey Jr. And so I understand the people that say, well, there'll never be anybody as good as Michael Keaton

as Batman. I do get that, and you're right, that's going to happen. And we'll see it before that happens with the recasting of Wolverine. Oh, yeah, that one's going to be big, and they're going to have to. Yeah. Yeah, he's too popular a character for them not to have him in the movies. Right. And he's also, Hugh Jackman

can't do that forever. They can't build the next 10 years around Hugh Jackman. Yeah. And we we've already seen it with Tom Holland. They're rabid, rabid fans out there screaming, Tom Holland is shit. Like, he's not as good as Toby McGuire. Oh, I never liked Toby McGuire in that role.

I thought those, my problem wasn't with Toby. It was with Sam Ramey. And both of those people beat you if you mentioned Andrew Garfield. Yeah, yeah. I liked Andrew Garfield, particularly the first one. And we're getting real kind of Big Kev's geek stuff in this right now. So we've got to get back to some medical stuff. But it's, and I don't mean, hey, Big Kev, I don't mean that in a bad way.

I just, you know, we're going kind of deep. But I love the first Andrew Garfield movie. And I didn't like the first three Spider-Man movies. It was more had to do with, I've never been a huge fan of Sam Ramey's storytelling style. Love Evil Dead. Love Army of Darkness. But I just, I think that these guys, the more modern, versions have done better storytelling except for of course electro it's i really didn't want it

not like that movie but when you've got gwen stacey saying i'm the only one that can turn off the power and then there's just a big red knob that says power yeah how is she the only one that could push that red knob yeah it was that was hard to deal with anyway and the the first three movies that every time i think about it and it's like no you can't drown a sun and a lake sorry That's how that works. That's always what my hang-up is. Everyone always talks about Spider-Man 2 is the best. No, no.

No, can't drown son in a late. Not having it. No. No, I didn't have a problem with Toby McGuire. I had a problem with the fact that Spider-Man didn't make jokes in those movies. Yeah. He was too busy crying. Right.

Yeah. I love Tom. I understand. I love Tom Holland. I love this version of it. I love that he was in the MCU. It's so cool seeing him, seeing him sit there with Robert Downey Jr. and looking up to him as a mentor and stuff.

I just love every minute of that. Yeah, love it. I mean, the fact that he says, Quiffy, and the fact that they made him as powerful as they have him right now are nailed it. Yeah, he almost had that damn gauntlet off of Thanos his hand. Oh, he damn near did. But anyway, do you guys have any other medical questions?

I got two more. Okay, cool, cool, cool. One's kind of what we were talking about before. This one's about Superman. So there's a book that I did on our, I do review books on our Patreon feed, and one of the books I've been reviewing is An Annamy of a Men of Human. Okay, yes.

It's fantastic, and it's gorgeous. So it goes through each, you know, one of the characters it pulls, and it kind of gives this, the framing devices Batman is writing about all of the people in his life and what he would do and what he thinks they can do and, like, how they do it, basically. Right. How he can further fight against crime by using their power. So it's written from Batman. point of view.

Right. It's literally written we all know that the first thing he does when he meets a new metahuman is figure out how he can neutralize them. Exactly. In case they go bad. Some of these are like Killer Crocks in there.

He didn't get Killer Crocs permission. This is just him speculating and using blood from a crime scene where he beat his ass and shit like that. Please send me a link to this. I have to read this book. This sounds great. It's gorgeous.

It's wonderful. The first one though is he talks about Yeah, Clark agreed to let me analyze him because he understands the usefulness of this. And specifically, he says, yeah, Clark understands how dangerous it could be if someone got a hold of him. So he wants me to be able to take him down. Sure, well, he could get hit with some red kryptonite. And they would need to calm him down for a while. Probably happened dozens of times.

Of course. Oh, by the way, let me see how deep you guys are. Do you know what white kryptonite does? Oh. I used to. You got us. I used to have a whole list in my head that I could remember it so young. And I hope I'm not misremembering this.

You might want to look it up. Dr. Scott has not participated in this conversation. Look up white kryptonite, Dr. Scott. I believe it kills vegetation. Nice. And blue kryptonite didn't do anything. Of course, gold kryptonite robbed him of his powers forever. And then red pinkonite would have, you know,

random effects on him. Kills. Plant life. Is that right? Nice. Well done. All right. But anyway, okay.

So, so recently, by the way, you should look it up. Scott Snyder, who's running DC now. Is he any relation? No. It would be kind of neat. But in a way, it would probably be deleterious if he was. Yeah. He's rewriting the DC universe right now.

And one of the things he's written in recently was a new form of, wait, wait, it may have been Tom King. It's one of those two. Sorry, I'm trying to remember it from yesterdays ago. But he wrote in a new form of kryptonite that he actually gives a chunk to Bruce and it will give humans their powers. Oh, okay. And Bruce kind of locks it away like, I don't think that's a great idea, but I appreciate the gesture.

Yeah. I can't remember if it's King or Snyder, but one of those two. They're both great writers. All right, and this, there's one particular power he breaks. He goes through everything. He goes through his flying, which is this awesome electromagnetic explanation of why some rain can fly. There's his resiliency, even his laser vision, even his breath, even the freeze breath. He goes through different kind of, let's take science to the, you know, reductive out of absurdum version of it and see what we get.

And this one was maybe my favorite. Okay. He suggested in this book, Bruce is suggesting, that Clark has a plant-like cells and that they have cell walls. Okay. And that the cytoplasm is actually kind of a non-Newtonian fluid. So, you know, I'm sure you know what it is, but it's basically a fluid that reacts almost the exact opposite of normal fluid. So it's like a Bose-Einstein condensate or something like that's some quantum thing? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but on a basic level, when you grab his hand and... Okay, I'm just, I love this shit. Go ahead. I love my buttons. Like, on a human level, when you grab Clark Kent's hand and you shake his hand, see that you're not agitating the fluid, you're not stressing it. So it feels like a hand. Oh, okay. Got it, got it.

Like a super fellow. But when you strike him. Yes. When you run a train into him, it reacts like a concrete. Gotcha. You could make a superfluid in your own home. Oh, yeah. It was like cornstarch and water, I think.

Water, I think. If you get it to the right, Scott, look that up, will you? Cornstarch and water superfluid. I think they're called superfluids. And when you agitate it slowly with your finger, you can put it right through it. But if you hit it with your fist, it'll be like, as Jason said, It'll be like concrete. And that's a real thing.

That's interesting. Of course, Superman, it depends on the version of Superman because there are some where he's godlike and completely invulnerable and then others where he can actually be harmed. And that would be an interesting property for a body to have. Now, the question is you have gas in your call. I'm assuming Superman eats and that he has a GI tract and that he has a GI tract and that, GI track goes from his mouth to his anus, and at some point he has to excrete something, whatever it is that he excretes. And if there's any gas in there, of course, that's still compressible. So you could injure that, even though this person became a superfluid when you punched them,

they would have air-filled cavities in the body that would still be vulnerable to that increase in pressure because the pressure doesn't just go away. You know, when you punch somebody that hard, You know, if you've got doomsday punching you with some million pounds of pressure per square inch, it doesn't just go away. That energy has to be transmitted somewhere. And if you've got hollow parts in your body, they're going to collapse and rupture and all that kind of stuff. And then the blood, of course, still got to keep flowing. So if it turns into a superfluid, it's not going to flow.

Presumably Superman needs blood to go to his brain and all that kind of stuff. Now, you could just presume that someone like Superman looks like us, but inside they're just, you know, they're just a containment vessel for pure energy and somehow it moves around and all that stuff. But then that begs the question, how does he have intercourse with Lois Lane and have a kid? The biology has to be somewhat similar. There has to be something there. For the canon to kind of sit together. Yes. I do like that you just proposed that basically Superman can be killed by a pre-fart.

Right. Well, that's right. Yes, and a, like that he needs to have a gaseous, what did you call it, an ablusion, before he goes into battle, or this could be harmful. Right, that's right. Yeah, he would have to clean out his bowels completely prior to that. So you'd have to evacuate. So there could be this pre-battle ritual where he just, you know, shits whatever he would, he would excrete from his colon to clear it out. But then, you know, you've still got the chambers of the heart.

You've got all kinds of things that that doesn't make sense. I always sort of imagine that he was, you know, a being of pure energy inside, except then that doesn't explain the whole red sun thing. So, you know, you brought up a... We could use the sun and the metabolism thing to explain that he doesn't really need any explosions of any kind. That's right. That's right. He could actually be 100-something percent efficient. So he needs ultraviolet radiation that you get less of under a red sun, so he would be less powered.

But Larry Nevin, if you remember him, he's the guy. that wrote Ringworld and wrote a lot of different science fiction things back in the 70s and 80s, he wrote a thing called Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex, and I highly recommend that you read that because he was just talking. You brought up reductio ad absurdum, which is the whole idea that if you take an argument and you can reduce it to an absurdity, you can prove that the original premise was incorrect. So like if you say one equals two, you can do a reductio ad absurdum, or sometimes that's the answer, you know, where you say the square root of two is a rational number, you can do some mathematical things, and you come out with an

answer that is patently impossible, like zero equals one or one equals two, and you can say, well, when you reduce it to this absurdity, it proves that the original premise is incorrect. And then you can write RAA, QED at the bottom of the paper, turned in, and you're drinking. Exactly, right, exactly. So Larry Niven kind of did that with Superman and said, you know, if he had sex with Lois Lane, first off, the throes of orgasm, he would have to have, you know, super restraint as another one of his powers to not just rip her to shreds when he had an orgasm. And then if he actually ejaculated into Lois Lane, wouldn't his sperm cells also be superpowered? and wouldn't they, you know, shoot, you know, fly through her body, instantly killing her and fly around looking for eggs

that they could fertilize in other women, you know, and so this is the problem with the whole superhero thing, which tells you why certain powers would never, we would never see on this world, because if you think about them to any detail, you do get to this reductio ad absurdum where it's just impossible. oh yeah yeah but it's fun to think about i just let it it just let it go you know if we try to analyze this stuff we'll never get anywhere but it is fun to do it i really do want to read that book no you have to have suspension of disbelief that doesn't work exactly right exactly right

all right let me let's do uh one last question where we completely suspend disbelief okay let's take batman who uh famously has no powers whatsoever right that's part of his charm Except super detective abilities, which we've never seen in the movies. Right. But apparently we're going to in this next one. Apparently we're going to when Matt Reeves gets through with him, but we'll see. Okay. I mean, the closest shot you get is Keaton with his glasses on in the back cave.

Yeah, yep, yep, yep. We're going to assume, we're going to take the, like, the, just entropy out of this thing. We're going to assume that all of his gadgets worked correctly for the course of his Batmaning. Right. We're going to assume that he didn't just, that human error, didn't occur, that he is the pinnacle of human, he's the apex man. So we're going to assume that he didn't just misjudge a rooftop one night and fall to his death. Right.

Yeah. That his grappling hook didn't not catch on a gravely rooftop where a, you know, maintenance guy left a bucket where he shouldn't have or some shit like that. We're going to assume everything went smoothly. Right. And that he started around, Dave, I estimate your one's about age 23. What do you think? yeah uh-oh

we lose Dave I think we lost Dave no he's messaged me I think he's gone all right we're gonna assume that you're around age 23

was where Batman you know finally has the costume he's finally got the idea in mind he's well trained he hits the streets this is when his Batmaning truly begins yeah he's got to go down at some point

something's going to take him out yeah what is the physical injury what would he be able to go to the Justice League with like a workers' comp plane? What is the thing that finally takes out Batman? Yeah, it's deceleration. How long do you think he makes?

It's deceleration every time. You know, they show these guys jumping from, you know, the top of a skyscraper and then somehow landing on the ground. You know, I see this every time I read a comic, you know, they're jumping into some building and going through the skylight and then landing on the ground. Even if they break their fall using a, you know, a batta whip or whatever he would use, some grappling thing, the amount of deceleration would rip his arms out of the shoulders, I don't care how strong he is. If you fall 10 feet, there's a finite chance, and it's not only non-zero, but it's non-trivial that you'll die. And, you know, so that's the thing.

It's deceleration every time. And when I saw him take that hit in Justice League from Superman and he smashed into that van, the deceleration would have been so, well, the acceleration from the punch and the deceleration from hitting the van, no matter how awesome that suit was, if it was superfluidic or had some sort of protection in there, his body inside is still subject to those G forces. and that would have killed him instantly. You think the brain's still hitting the inside of that cranium? Oh, yeah, of course. It's just sloshing around in there. It's just chilling. We'll see people who hit their head from a ground-level fall.

Okay, ground-level fall, meaning they were standing and they fell, not falling off of a platform or anything. And they'll get a concussion or they may break their skull or get an intracranial bleed. Or at the very least, they'll get what's called a contra-coup. injury, which means that the actual bruise in the brain is on the opposite side of what they hit, and that comes from the brain sloshing around in there. So we always have to posit that these guys somehow have super healing power, or none of it works, you know?

Oh, yeah. Okay. So you're saying deceleration and age 23 is when he also ends his badmending career. He dies at age 23, exactly right? Nice. Or is at least comatose or brain damage beyond any state of bad. that's why because look there are other people there are people in this world let's take john sina just as an example he's in as good as shape as batman probably was he may not have the

martial arts and didn't have the training from the league of assassins but he could gain that yeah he's within he'd fit the suit so and there are other people we could name other people like him so there are enough people in this world that could be batman but where are they there are any and it's because they just get their asses kicked or they get shot or they you know it just doesn't work they can't actually produce batterangs that hit exactly the end of a gun barrel at the right moment exactly um which by the way the batterang in the finale we can talk about you guys talked about the finale of uh gotham at yeah at length on your show but yeah when the i'll just call him the joker when the joker got um hit with the batterang and

his hand and he looked at it and just had that maniacal laughter that was so happy pure batman that made the whole episode for me i didn't care if the rest of it made no sense that was beautiful yeah yeah the last few episodes were uh they they try to do too much too fast but they um man they that that moment was that moment was i'll never forget that it was a great joker moment i loved it was it was it was pure joy absolute pure joy on his face he could not have been happier to have this injury it was fun So is, by the way, yeah, go ahead. Talking about falling from like, from literally standing.

Yep. This cost me a vacation one time because we were about to, me and the wife were about to go to Mexico and I get a call from her saying like, hey, you know, what do you, what are you doing? I'm like, what's wrong? So I fell and I think I broke my foot. So what did you fall from? She said, well, we were walking and I fell and I think I broke my foot. I said, can you, I mean, are you okay? Yeah, I'm going to the doctor.

Okay, can I ask you one quick question? Yeah. How did you fall and break the thing closest to the ground? Right. I don't. How does that work? I don't know. You know, I broke my foot just walking on the beach because I'm old.

And I was walking in sandals and they didn't have any arch support and I got a stress fracture. So a lot of times people got a stress fracture. Have you ever accidentally walked off a curb and didn't know it was there? Oh, yeah. And that jolt that you get. That's a reflex test right there. Yeah, when your body isn't ready for it, even just that, you know, three or four inches can be enough to cause pain in your head, pain in your neck.

We have to be ready for these things. The brain is an incredible thing. And when it's amazing how fast the adrenaline response kicks in for something. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I'm just talking two or three inches, much less, you know, a step, like a six-inch step or something like that. You can really hurt yourself. Yeah.

That's crazy. Well, I hate we lost David. We lost Dr. Scott, too, because, like I said, he hates this shit, so. Oh, well, he'll be back. I did get an explanation from David. The power at his house has gone out. Oh, okay. Well, that would explain it.

Okay. That'll do it. Well, I just want to make sure I didn't piss him off with intimating that he'd never had intercourse. No. Well, listen. He's at peace with both his image and his actual amount of intercourse. Okay, good, good, good. I'm glad.

You guys have my number one favorite podcast. Of course, I'm a big fan of DC. So DC on-screen podcast. You guys have got anything else that you want to plug? No, no. You already talked about her Patreon. We really appreciate that. The podcast itself is available free.

Every week, you know, we cover news. We're about to do a bunch of the finale. So if you do watch the CW stuff, it's May. Everything's ending. So we're about to be, it's finale month. And we always cover, we always. do a review of the season. So we're going to have that coming up.

And, you know, a few weeks later, we'll finally get back to news. Hey, Jason, hang on to saying. My wife has called me twice. Oh, no. So she never does that unless there's a reason. Hey, are you okay? Steve? Yeah.

Are you okay? We're recording. Do I need a check to pay her? Oh. Yeah. Have you already left? I can swing that bar. No, it's okay.

Um, let me, um, let me, um, let me text her. a second. Okay, we're just wrapping this show up. Okay, and I'll see if I can pay her. Oh, Jesus, she's mad. Is that my fault that she didn't bring a check with her? I'm the asshole. Okay. Just make it your fault to be saved. There you go, exactly. You're married. You know how that is. So, you can handle it. You can absorb that. It'll be right. You hear the music. I guess this is a good cue for us to get out of this episode and we'll uh i'd like to do this again probably once a year oh sounds great

we'll still be around and oh here she is again wait a minute uh oh hold on we must well play this out live hello yeah do you need me to run by the house um i'm going to uh text her and just see if it's okay if i pay her next time well i'm on my way i'll see home in like three minutes i'll have William run upstairs. Okay. You got it. Okay, thanks. Sorry.

Okay, sorry you forgot to bring money, but I'll take the head for it. Okay, all right. Hey, Jason, Goss, and David C. Robertson, thank you for... With us in spirit. Yeah, thank you very much for being on the show today and letting me do a geek show. And if you guys ever need anything, give me a call. I'd love to be on your show again. I really enjoyed that.

No, we'll definitely have your back. Yeah, it's been great kind of having this friendship that we've sort of figured out over the years, too. I've enjoyed it. I really have. Yeah, me too. All right. Take it easy. Let me get here.

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