Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 370 - Indighost in the Machine

Episode Date: August 18, 2019

Cody Gilmer and Kim Smith discuss the new Indighost album, ("Satan's Texas Vacation", which interestingly has nothing to do with the dark lord, Texas, or vacations), vomiting blood, hangovers, and more. Check them out on Spotify, iTunes, and @indighostband on Twitter. PLEASE VISIT: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net (Dr Scott’s nasal rinse is here!) noom.doctorsteve.com (lose weight, gain you-know-what) tweakedaudio.com offer code “FLUID” (best CS anywhere) bet.doctorsteve.com (Bet DSI! Try to beat my kid!) premium.doctorsteve.com (all this can be yours!) Buy Every WM Podcast on a Thumb Drive! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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gigabit thumb drive for 30 bucks sent directly to your door. All right. So in the studio, today we have a very special show. I have Cody Gilmer and Kim Smith. Cody is the synthesis and I guess lead guitar player I wouldn't necessarily call me What are you are a guitar player Both Dan and I are like both rhythm and lead At the same time

So he's one of the guitar players There you know with Indy Ghost One of three different bands called Indy Ghost On the internet You are the one with the Twitter handle Indie Ghost band Oh good to know I actually didn't know that I've been tweeting to you guys

Who is it that answers me? Me but I just didn't know what I didn't He's a genius. The one thing you guys will realize, Cody's a genius. Oh, whatever. And we were supposed to get, it's so funny. It was probably two years ago. We played in my living room and made noise with Charles.

Oh, it was awesome. Charles from our hat. And then it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to get together, man. We're going to get together. And then he comes in. He's like, ooh, wouldn't you get the Mogue grandmother? It's like two Mogue fests ago. I'm a busy man.

What can I say? I know. I know. I'm just glad this finally worked out. Me, too. We have, I've been talking about Indy Ghost for years. They're my favorite independent band. They're by far my favorite band that haven't made it yet.

Make them a heart flutter, Steve. Well, no, it's true. Well, it doesn't matter. Who am I? I'm just a fan, but it is a big deal for me to have you guys in here. And we also have Cole, who has an interesting I didn't give out your last name because I didn't know if you want your last name out there.

It's late. And I don't know if you're, is, oh, it's on. It is? Yeah, it was working earlier. Okay. Why do I have no audio on you? Are you sure it's on? Now it's on?

Now let me hear. Uh-oh. Nope. Right, right, left. Yeah, that's right. Huh. You're on the far mic, right? Yes, sir.

Oh, shit. Okay. So, I don't know what's happened. Well, worst case in there, we can share. Yeah, I was going to say you and, you and Cody didn't have to share. I don't get cuddly. Oh, wait a minute. I know what's wrong.

Okay, try it now. Check once again. There we go. I'm back, hey. Okay. Welcome, everybody. I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. The shiny little yellow light means that that track is off.

Dummy. That sounds like me a few shows ago. Hey, have you ever checked to see if you're on Alexa? I have not, actually. Let's try it and just see. Alexa, play Indie Ghost. I think you want to hear the song, Indie Ghost? No.

Alexa, play Hexon-Sone by the band Indie Ghost. God damn it, Alexa. The ghost, rock. Radio from Pandora. Alexa, stop. Stop it. Okay, so we got to work on that. Yeah, not there yet.

Alexa does not know who we are yet. But you're on YouTube. She'll know soon enough. You're on YouTube. So, anyway, I first saw these guys when my friend Charles was playing in a band, and then they were playing, Indigo's was playing before they opened. I can't remember what his band's name was back then, where I first saw you guys. Was it waiting for pavement?

I don't know. And then we were just like, we hear Indigo, so we're like, no, fuck those guys. Because I remember your lead singer, Randy, said, well, this is our last song. We've got to let these guys up. We were like, fuck them. I remember that. It was all down here from there. And he was my friend.

So anyway, yeah, so you guys play around the Tri-Cities, but you've been moving around a little bit, right? You guys are playing in some bigger venues, I hear. We've been playing all over the place. We actually have a tour coming up in the beginning of September with Horseburner. So where are you going to be? Hold on. Let me pull that up on the phone. Well, just in general, because we can...

In general, we're going to be in... We'll plug these gigs for you. We're definitely going to be in West Virginia. We're also going to be in Ohio, Kentucky, Florida. Oh, wow. Savannah, Georgia is the one I'm looking forward to going to. That show might not pull through.

Oh, man. Because I was going to plug the hill out of that one. Well, here, hold on, let me just tell you it's our places. So you have a day job. So are you giving up your day jobs for this then now? Are you finally to that point where you can do that? Yeah, it's pretty, my schedule's pretty easy to request off as long as I know ahead of time. Okay, okay.

I'm still right where I was when we last spoke, still at the old wronghorn steakhouse. Yeah. They work with me really well, though. I get to go where I need to. Yeah, I was going to say, how can you do a southeastern tour if you've got a day job? It's difficult, but that we make it happen. I'm probably not going to be able to attend the Florida shows, which I wouldn't look forward to driving that far anyways in a car. So, but everywhere else I'm planning on going.

Yeah. So you guys all go in one van and just pile. in the van. We all piler in... I've done this. Taylor's Jeep. I was in a band. Taylor's Jeep and we got a trailer. We pulled behind. Oh, is that right? Pays somebody to do it. 30 bucks, Allegiant. Oh, really? Lie down there. And I'm not putting my instruments on no

plane. No, no, no, no. Make somebody else drive it. Oh, okay, okay. I see what you did. Cool, you're looking for a job? Is that what you're... That's what I'm saying. I'll drive it. Yeah, well, the thing about these guys, and well I say guys I mean that in a gender neutral way

so stop using gendered language but I'm the thing I like about Indy Ghost is they are basically one of the few psychedelic bands that are out there I grew up I'm 63 years old so I grew up in the 60s everything was psychedelic

at one point and then it went away and then all of a sudden I walk into this place and here's you guys you people doing, you know, psychedelic music, and it really blew me away. Tickling the heartstrings. Very, very inventive. They're very clever, and I like cleverness.

I like virtuosity, wherever I can find it. And these guys are down on their knees, dicking around with pedals, making sounds while they're on stage. I love that, too. Anybody that has the balls to just put their, you know, guitar around their neck and then get on their knees and start fiddling. with the pedals, making sounds. I love that. We love it, too, actually. It's...

Never thought I'd be playing that type of music. Oh, really? What'd you grow? No, seriously. When I started playing guitar, I actually started on acoustic, and I immediately bought an electric and got into a... It was more like... It started as a Led Zeppelin Tribune Band in high school.

And then that very quickly changed into heavier and heavier. Oh, of course. Do do do do do my band did that We never played a Led Zeppelin song We just got together because of that And then down the road It got heavier and heavier Until it was at that point in my life

Just too heavy for me And I immediately retracted And went into acoustic And went to, ended up going to ETSU For the Bluegrass program Is that right? Yeah I never knew this

Oh yeah I got a minor in bluegrass Oh shit Yeah But I very quickly I mean I love the program Obviously, I'm not going to say anything bad about ETSU Bluegrass, but I just ended up feeling like I was just around a bunch of Tony Rice clones, and I... Don't know who that is. Oh, I know, right.

So I ended up, you know, when my previous band, that was more fulky, bluegrassy, split up, I immediately wanted to do what I never thought I would want to do, which is pick up the electric guitar again. Just due to, the electric guitar is so sensitive. Yeah. And it always used to scare the hell out of me because I... I like playing a string on a stiff board of wood pretty much. Yeah. Found an SG, fell in love from the moment, was talking to Dan, and who was in the previous band with me, Rickshaw Road Show. And, yeah, I know right.

So we immediately started. I like that. I agree. We, hey, I found a recording of you at ETSU in the bluegrass thing. What? Yeah, I sure did. Here it is. Let's see.

Uh-oh. Oh, I were. Is this real? Oh, Lester Roadhog Moran and his Cadillac Cowboys. Would you believe I know who this is? Of course you do. Everybody does. Okay, anyway, sorry.

That's really not him. That's the Statler brought. doing Lester Roadhog Moran and the Cadillac Cowboys All Right, Mighty Fine. And they would do a parody of, you know, a country band. And you know how much talent it takes to play that badly? Oh, actually, yeah, I do, and it's pretty incredible. They're one of my favorite bands. I can't believe you played that.

I haven't heard that in years. That's the greatest thing. I've got to play some more. Please do. Don't take no wooden nickels. All right, and howdy, howdy. So anyway, I love, they do an ad for Ernie's Egg Market. And it's Ernie's got A1, large, B1, large, B too large, and they can't be too large.

All right, mighty five. So stupid. Anyway. But I digress So you did the bluegrass thing Yeah and like I said I just felt like I was I got too into it

I immediately were attracted And ran the other direction I picked got my first electric guitar Well not my first but my favorite And the only thing I'll probably play A Gibson SG And then Started buying pedals

Okay I figured out how to describe what I'm talking about I've never been what I would consider myself a good guitar player. That's why when I finally realized that I can buy pedals and be more of a sound engineer and have fun, I immediately was like, oh, hell yeah. Well, you know, all the EDM people hear what you're saying, too, because, you know, there's a lot of people that do amazing things with electronic dance music that are not musicians in the sense that you and I would think about it. Yeah. You know, they don't know from scales and modes and all that stuff, but they can put music together, because, because they've got equipment that'll help them do it.

Now, you are quite the accomplished guitar player. Oh, thank you. So, you know, you throw talent in with electronics, and now you really got something. Now, Kim, you travel with them. I mean, every time I've ever seen you guys, you're with them, and you play as well, right? I'd dabble.

You do tape manipulation. I know that, because that's what we did when we all played together. So what's your musical thing? I wouldn't really say I'd do much. much more than dabble is the word I like to use. Well, that's what I am. I'm a dabber. I don't really know any of the technical stuff that I would like to know, but I'm the one between the two of us that's more into the idea of learning the technical parts of it.

She's always dragging out the manuals. Well, right, but Cody is, I can help him tweak something every now and then at practice if he's not quite sure how to get to where he's trying to be. But he is so much more of a genius than me, I feel like, because he doesn't need to do that. He's intuitive. listen and just feel it and he'll get there eventually. Whereas I need to understand what I'm doing. If I'm changing something, I need to know why or how.

That's actually a good combination to have. It's pretty nice. Yeah, yeah. You guys compliment each other. She helps me out a lot. Now, you know, I bought a piece of equipment just for you guys. I was showing it to Kim earlier. Why?

Because you had talked to me two years ago when you were here about wanting to learn modular synthesis a little bit more. Oh, yeah. So I bought a teenage engineering model 400 that is a pure modular, it's a, you know, it's a training device. Well, let's get to tinker in there, Steve. Well, okay, but that's, you've got to be here to do it. I think we, I think we wound up. If we go two more years, I'm probably going to be dead by then, you know, if we wait. So you're saying this opening?

Yeah, so, you know, but I have that piece of equipment here that I actually bought with you guys in mind because you wanted to. learn pure modular synthesis when you do semi- and this is getting a little bit too technical for our for our listeners but I'll do this real quick semi-modular synthesizers you can play without putting a single patch in them a true modular synthesizer you have to patch the every module to each module to get it to do things and that's how I learned back in the 70s with roger heney on the original mug model 55 which is that big Keith Emerson looking thing It wouldn't make a sound unless you had a legitimate audio pass. Sounds technical.

I like it. Yeah, and it's really fun. And you learn so much that when you use your regular synthesizer that you have, because you have a Moog subfaddy. Yeah, I got the subfatty. Yeah, you got the subfatti. If you learn modular, you'll do even better on something like that because you'll know exactly what you want to do.

But anyway, enough of a commercial for Dr. Steve's synthesizer school. Anybody else out there wants to learn, you know, send me an email um so uh i want to we're going to play some cuts off your new album and but first this is a medical show we have some medical questions here number one um cole's getting ready to have a baby and we got to talk about first baby stuff yeah he also is it's it's a miracle that he's here at all because we'll talk about that but he went through a thing that you know it was touch and go whether he would even be sitting here today.

So there's that. But I really want to talk about Kim's thing because Kim the other day was barfing up blood. So let's talk about that because we want to talk about different kinds of GI bleeds and that kind of stuff. So tell me what happened. Well, we were going to a zine fest in Greensboro.

I woke up. I felt great. What the hell is zine fest? It's short for magazine. It's kind of where people make their own... Self-publishing, your own magazines. Right. They're much smaller scale than a published magazine. Really?

There's poetry, you know, drawing, collaging, stuff like that. Okay, it sounds fascinating. A bunch of art nerds get together and look at each other's work. Okay, that's cool. So it's like an art festival for people who do sequential art and that kind of stuff, maybe. It can be anything. Everyone's got their own different style. That's what makes it so fun.

But it's just short. It's almost like a short story. It's in a magazine style. Okay. You know, I was in a contest once where you had to do a whole story in less than a page. Are they doing stuff like that, too? Because I wrote a sequel to the Wizard of Oz in one page. Yeah, that would be zine material.

Really? I mean, sky's the limit, but that sounds awesome. To me, still, it's my favorite thing that I ever did. And I don't even know if I can find it anymore, but I could rewrite it. Well, if you want to feature it. But you don't know it's a sequel, it's a spoiler. You don't know it's a sequel to the Wizard of Oz until you get to the very last line. That sounds awesome.

Honestly, if you don't want to make a zine, I'd let you throw it in one of ours. Shit, yeah, I'll give it to you. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Also remind me to send it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds cool as shit. It's got a cool twist because it's kind of engaging. And, you know, there are these things that are attacking the city, and there's a, you know, one of the leaders of the city is made.

of organic material and the other one is made of metal and, you know, stuff like that. I like it already. And then, you know, the, I'll just tell you the whole story. And then the witches do this attack where it's finally going to be the end of all of them. And they're turning everybody into these green crystals, right? And then, you know, they say, where is the hammer coming from the, where's the hammer coming from the sky? Where is the wind in the mighty wind, you know, and then it says, Where are you, Dorothy, when we need you the most?

And that's the end of the thing. And, you know, it's just a one-page thing. That sounds awesome. Thing. Yeah, I want to see that. Okay. All right, cool. It's the only thing I've ever written that I actually thought was kind of cool.

I'm excited. I'll just post it on my website, but you can have it. No, I want to see it first. Anyway, okay. So, so Zine Fest. So you're going to Zene Fest. I have ADD, so I get distracted. Hey, us too, so we're used to.

Okay. And we're in this big. van that was like probably some kind of church van before our friend Marty got it it used to beep when he put it in reverse and it was bouncing me around in the back seat and we had partied all week pretty hard so I was starting to feel a little nauseous and I ended up getting sick on the way I thought okay I was a little hungover I just need to eat something do a little hair of the dog and I'll get through the day we get there and I just keep feeling worse and worse well I try to go eat at this really nice it was really nice restaurant bar they had in the

in the same, like, area. So you're nauseated, and you figured if I go eat, this will help. Taked, nauseated, sweaty, just felt terrible. I couldn't even eat the food. Probably good. After a couple of bites, you know, I drank a glass of champagne, probably not the best choice. But I thought it would not be as, you know, bad tasting as something like a hoppy beer or something like that. So it went down easier.

Or just drink water. Yeah. Well, I had been drinking water all day as well. I had been drinking water plenty already. So I was trying to do the hair of the dog with the champagne and have a little bite of food. Well, I couldn't eat the food. The food was delicious. And Cody started to worry then.

Well, I got sick again. And the second time I got sick was when I had a little bit of blood at the end of it. And it wasn't a violent, you know, vomiting. It wasn't something that I would think, you know, I would have torn my esophagus from. Right. Which I was bright red blood. It was bright red blood at the very end. All just.

So I already know what it was. It all came out together. Yeah. But anyway. And as a matter of fact, when Cody. texted me. I said, this is what I think it is. Right. But if I had heard the story that you just told me, because I'm getting frantic texts from your fiancé, you know, I didn't quite get the whole story. But now it makes them a lot more sense that I feel a lot more confident. But anyway,

go on. And I'd had an ulcer-like symptoms before where I had had this stomach attack, as I call it, where I just had really bad pain, heart palpitations. It felt like sweating. I almost thought maybe I was having a heart attack from the amount of pain I had. So I'm not sure. if I have an ulcer or if I just have stomach issues where I'm prone to gastritis or what it is. Right. So all my tests have come back normal. They thought for a minute. So what tests did they do? They ran a bunch of... You went to the emergency room. Yeah, we went to the emergency room down there. I told Cody, he said she has a history of ulcers. If you have a bleeding ulcer, that's a medical emergency.

And I've never had an endoscopy to truly diagnose one. So it's all speculation. It's speculation, so we can't, you always have to, in medicine, you've got to go for the thing that's going to kill you first, rule that out, and then you can treat all the simple stuff. So anyway, so you went to the ER and went to the ER, great people down there in Greensboro at the ER, and ran a bunch of tests on me. The only thing that came back abnormal was my lipase was a little elevated, but not enough for a diagnosis of pancreatitis. Okay, so lipase, let me get everybody who's listening. amylase and lipase are enzymes that were primarily found. Now, amylase you can find in saliva and stuff like that. Lipase is specifically found in the pancreas.

And when pancreatic tissue dies, it's released into those enzymes are released into the bloodstream and you can detect them in the blood. Are you okay? Where are you going? You can talk. It's a radio show. Yeah, I'm just pulling a little bit. Okay, that's why.

She's getting a little warm. Okay, yeah, yeah. I'm okay. I think you're getting a little warm. warm. Hey, I get rid. Yeah, this studio is not well ventilated. I apologize for that.

It feels fine. What are you talking about? Don't worry. I won't vomit blood. I'll swap seats with anybody. So they did complete blood count. So you do the complete blood count. If someone is acutely anemic in a situation like that, that's an emergency.

Because now they're losing a bunch of blood. And a lot of the blood sometimes will go down into the dwarf. them into the colon where it will promptly turn black and those people will have black tarry stools which you may not have had time to develop them yet if you get bright red blood from your ass that's caused from a stomach ulcer that's a sign of exanguination that person if it doesn't have time to turn black it's bad so although having said that most bright red blood that comes from the ass is is totally benign but bright red blood that's coming from a bleeding ulcer that's coming out of the rectum is that's an emergency so anyway so they do all this they rule all that out right they give you some stuff for puky and you stop puking and um they gave me something to drink that kind of numbed my digestive track on the upper it's called a GI cocktail it's got my Landa and Lidicane in it yeah and gave me a prescription for a PPI yes and Dr. Scott would say, but for something like this. I already know. You don't want to take PPI's unless you have to, but you have to. We were actually listening to your show when you talked about PPS on the way to one of Cody's events he was going to.

But yeah, so I hate taking them, but have to in this situation, obviously. And you can maybe transition to something else later, but they did the right thing. So PPI in the morning. PPI for that right now is the right drug. PPI in the morning, Zantak at night. Okay. Antisphasmodic. Bental.

Bental. Cyclobensoprene. It's a, it's just a smooth muscle relaxer. Very good. Very good. I'm going to give you one. Give yourself a bill. All right.

Very good. And then sent me on my way. So I went back to my general practitioner, had her run a little bit more test. Because throughout the week afterwards, I felt really weak. I tried to go into work. I felt really weak. The more I moved around, lightheaded. So I stayed home that week and rested.

I was still having stomach spasms. It was kind of hurting. And went to her because I actually had a fever one day, which kind of scared me a little bit. Went to her last Friday, had some blood tests ran, got him back this Monday. Everything came back fine. Still okay.

So you didn't have hepatitis A because that could be the other thing that could cause nausea for a long period of time. Right. We've rolled out most liver and pancreatic issues, stuff like that. So it's either Mallory Weiss syndrome or an ulcer. Yeah, so let's talk about that for a minute. So a Mallory Weiss tear, which almost certainly was what this was, is a tear in the lower esophageal area.

And when you wretch, it just yanks it so hard that you just get a little tear and you get a little bit of blood. And that's why you saw what we call terminal hematemesis or blood at the very end the puking. Okay. So, yeah. Yeah, I'd like to... You can just jump in.

Yeah. So I've had the same thing as well. Okay. Now, the one thing to worry about is, you know, after that happens, are you seeing coffee grounds, like, afterwards? Right. That's when there should be something. So coffee ground emesis is when you have blood in your stomach and then you puke it up.

And it's on the process of turning black to turn into melana, which is the black tari stools but it actually comes out of your mouth so it looks like coffee grounds but you never had that i never had that yeah so you're good yep yeah you're fine you should you should actually be fine you're still living those those are considered relatively benign they can happen almost anytime somebody wretches and um and they heal up we usually with no complications now if you have symptoms what most people do is put you on this stuff for six weeks and then see what happens if you're still having symptoms, you've got to get scoped. Okay.

And the reason you've got to get scoped is you've got to rule out an actual ulcer. Gastritis, reflux, no big deal. We can treat that, but you want to make sure that you don't truly have an ulcer. And ulcers can be caused by a bacterium called helicobacter pylori. And did they test you for that already? No, I thought you had to do a stool sample for that. No, they can do it a couple of ways. They can do a breath test.

But the gastroenterologists like to go down with the endoscope and get samples of fluid right from there. And then they'll test you for that. And we treat that a little differently. PPI will kind of shut it down, but if you want to eradicate it, you've got to take two different antibiotics. And then, you know, when I was training in the 80s, the idea that there was a bacterium that could live in the stomach in that environment and cause ulcers. they would just laugh at that. Of course, when I went to medical school, they laughed at the idea that a virus could cause AIDS, too.

Right. Because we didn't have HIV then. We just had people with AIDS. And they were like, oh, there's no virus can do that. And it's like, well, okay, that just goes to show you how, you know, things that are counterintuitive can actually be true. So, and the bacterium causing ulcers can, is counterintuitive, you know. So, but anyway, well, I'm glad you're better.

Yes. It sounds like they're doing all the right things. I like it. I will have an issue with them if they don't send you for endoscopy. I've already got an appointment with my gastrologist. Okay. All right. So when we're off the air, I want to make sure it's a gastroenterologist I approve of.

I think you will. She's pretty cool. So you already know her? Yes, I've seen her before. Okay. And if it's her, I know it's got to be one of two people and they're both excellent. Okay, great. Okay.

Awesome. A small world. Yeah, yeah. Cool. All right, good. And let's get to Cole. You're getting ready to have a baby, and this is your first. You're shitting your pants.

Absolutely. So all you've got to do, I just want to throw this out there is go to dr.steve.com. And on the upper right-hand corner, it says one-page baby manual. Click on that. And it's a one-page manual that will take you from birth to year one that tells you every damn thing you need to know. And there's this book called The Happiest Baby on the Block. and they it's about 240 pages

and I distilled it down to one paragraph because it's all fluff except for this one core concept and it's like I don't have to read why this works or why swaddling makes the baby think that they're still in the womb and all this stuff you just need to know that it works so there's one you can still buy the book

I don't want to you know screw this guy's business but just read that one paragraph, that's the whole book. Yeah, you can open them. It's a very informal show. There we go. I don't want to interrupt your monologue. You guys are rock stars. Everybody knows that rock stars drink beer. I cracked mine in the mic. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, please do. It's probably why I was puking blood. The other thing, though, is, right, is Cody, or not Cody, Cole, really shouldn't be sitting here.

So let's talk briefly about that. Then we've got to get back to playing some music. But you were an addict. absolutely yes so what was your drug of choice that would have been oxy cotton okay so you're sure you're okay they've given you a beer since you've been here you're fine yeah okay one beer two beer so you're cool with alcohol i'm fine with that tell us how you got hooked on oxycontin well that's a long road well okay give us the reader's digest version but was it did you start like so many people with a legit script nope no you did not okay no i did not okay i went from the backwood of it. Okay. So I was back in the mountain side of it.

And, yeah. Well, what a surprise. You don't sound like you're from the mountains. Yeah. I'm just, okay, whatever, okay. All right, so tell us what happened. Somebody went, well, now, try this. Exactly.

Yeah. And guess what? Every time somebody said, try this, guess what? It got bigger. Yeah, yeah. Dang. Yeah, yeah, all right. Yeah, right.

So, yes, every time I tried it. So these are your quote-unquote. Coat friends. Absolutely. And it just got... Were you snorting it or just taking the pills or mainlining it? Okay, tell me... Give us the progression.

Snorting at first and then it ended up being... I was free basing. Oxycontin. Free basing. Now, you weren't free basing. Yeah, I was. You were taking off... Okay, go ahead.

The actual coating off the... Okay. This is back. back before they changed the formulation. They changed every the formulation. Okay. So this actually isn't, okay, so free basing is a specific thing. What you were doing is you were using an organic solvent to peel off the coating and the wax so that you could get to the real stuff.

Absolutely. Yeah, now free basing, you're actually, with cocaine, when you freebase, you're changing the chemical structure to make crack, basically, is what you're doing. So, yeah. Science. So you were putting it in. a soluble thing and then you were like you were smoking it? Oh yeah, I just ran down a piece of aluminum full

with the tube and that's what I was doing and it ruined my life. Yeah, really? Yeah. Yeah, so how long did it take you before you realized, oh shit, I've got a problem? It took me about three and a half

years to really get the implement that I, you know, like oh shit, I am. Yeah. I am stuck in this. I cannot do anything without this. Right. And see, addicts become so self-centered because they have to.

All they can think about is their next, you know, when am I going to get it? I don't matter. And that's when they start, I mean, stealing their grandmother's jewelry and stuff like that. And they're not evil people. They do evil acts because the drug is really driving them to that. And people do not understand that. So we're, we only got 17 minutes and I've got to play this song. So I may want to have you.

back and talk about this more let's just go to the end of it you're at the bottom and for people who are listening because we have listeners who are addicted what what finally stimulated you to quit and how did you do it so my family knew i needed to get help yeah they uh locked me up by that they called the law saying hey i'm not supposed to be in this location they locked me up state of tennessee picked it up and I went to a year-long rehab. Wow. Out of Richmond, Virginia. And I will recommend this place

to anybody anywhere that needs help. Do you have to pay for it? No. Wow. Absolutely free. Richmond's a really awesome place. I love Richmond. I believe it. It is. It's out of Beaver Dam, Virginia, called New Life for Youth. I will represent that place

till a day I die. So who paid for this? Nobody. This is... Well, somebody paid for it. But, I mean, the federal government pay for it? No, no, no, no. It's by donations it's yeah it is a non-profit policy three super cool wow so we need more of that that's just the big problem is we you know they they're attacking physicians and chronic pain patients and try and you know we're writing half of the scripts that we were and now the chronic pain patients are feeling the but the number of opioid overdoses is going up geometrically so we're not doing anything

about the demand and we're not doing anything about the treatment but there are some things out there. So how do people find out about this stuff? Well, that's the thing. They don't find out until they get in trouble. Like, that's the only way they find out. Like, I'm afraid I don't take a Tylenol. I don't take anything right now.

Like, I, like, Ron Bennington. Ron wouldn't... I do not. He had appendicitis wouldn't take pain medication because he said I can't do that. Yeah, like I... I'm not going down that way. Not, you know, touching anything. It just, it was such a big thing for me that

I saw that this place Okay, so there is another place like it But they're a non-profit Yeah They don't Totally supported by donation We all need to donate to these places

Yes And that's the whole thing I want the name And we'll plug them Okay we'll plug it next show And I want people to donate to that Because I'll donate to it Hell I'll give them a grand

Just because they Help my buddy Cole get out of there. Now, we will talk about this more at length. What are you doing now? Now, you've got a wife, you've got a kid coming, you're clean for how long now? That's been almost

eight years now. Wow. Eight years? Yeah. Did you say? Holy shit. Damn. Give yourself a bill. That's awesome, man. Good. Good for you. Congratulations. Thank you. And you're gainfully employed? What do you do? Right now, nothing.

because I left my job to come back here. Okay. What were you doing? I run restaurants. Okay. I'm over to see restaurant management. Cody, you got any openings for him over where you work? It's possible. Actually, I can get you in some places down in Gallenburg.

You don't know the guy that owns the Outback in Sogoinsville, do you? Possibly, I can get in touch with him. No, no, I know him. I mean, I know him. He's a listener to this show. Really nice guy. I used to work for a... Yeah, his name's Andrew, and he's a great guy. Well, anyway, well, that's good.

Thank God, man. I'm glad that you're sitting here. I'm glad we had you in today. We just met at the Rich Voss thing, which you guys didn't come to, Thursday the first. I got stuck at work. It's too bad. You missed a great show. Yeah, we were.

Well, you wanted to be there. I work at Longhorn as well as a server at night, so. She was out that week. I had to go make extra money. Oh, wait. Was that when I was out? Yeah, yeah. Oh.

I got it. I was at home in bed. Okay. But you missed a great show, but that's where I'm at. Cole, and he just said, you know, can't come in. But anyway, well, that's awesome, man. So if you're addicted, just get help. Help is out there.

And if you can't find any, email me. Email me. I'll give you my real email address, DR. Steve 202 at gmail.com or weird medicine at riotcast.com. And we'll see what we can do if we can find something for you in your area. Anyway, we have 13 minutes. I wanted to play the title track off your new album, since we're going from Cole's something actually serious that we should be talking about to something just as serious,

which is making you guys famous finally. Don't worry, I'm over here wrapping his hand. But you won't get famous from this show, but I do want to. I'm going to play the whole track at seven minutes long. Do you want to... Can you guys do that later? Do you have to do that now? I'm trying to plug your

fucking album, dude. Play, plug it then. Well, okay, so tell us... I'm just wrapping this other way. Tell us the story behind Satan's Texas Vacation. Satan's Texas vacation was we were...

Lord, I wish I had the rest of the band here to describe the story. I'm the last person. Again, give us the Reader's Digest. The Reader's Digest is... It was time for a new album. We had, as most of our songs come about, we had made a riff.

And we originally labeled it. Satan's meat or Satan meat actually. Satan meat. That's different. It's original plug. It all started with a riff on Cody's fatty. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, actually. And is that the opening riff on here? Yeah, it was Taylor and me,

Taylor on the drums. Taylor's, one of by the way, you guys have the most incredible rhythm section. The drummer and the bassist allow you two, or the three of you maniacs to just noodle around and do stuff because they're so solid. It's a

perfect formula. So you got Taylor, Cogdell, and Quentin, Quentin, I don't remember his last name. Quentin Garrett. Quentin Garrett on drums and bass. We call him Lequeue. Lequeue.

All right. Anyway, let's play this track. This is Satan's Texas vacation. We'll see you in seven minutes at the other end of this. Maybe we'll answer another medical question or something. Scan it.

Uh-oh. Two hours out of sight of Two hours out of silent passes Can't see through the blood on my glasses What's the plan of the once-haired man is a born within my trunk? Last night's cigarettes. He's not a chewed spread. Hot smoke is from his friend.

Sweet evil suggestions. I guess I'll get back Just because of some of the fender Smells like ash and leather Oh, look at You know, I'm looking at the planet

Half place to Witcher Tintention Wants with me in the desert Neat lights on a cornerstone on racing like my heart

Man we ain't never been there Just you get To be square Ghost like To stay I kill it Can't you trust me

I'm touched and shame I'll touch of rain Get back Just rain Like her feather Smells like ashes weather We'll get on the devil, you bring a shovel, we'll get on the level, we'll get on the level.

Shove we'll get on the level We're reading on the devil You'll bring a shovel We'll get on the devil You'll bring a shovel We'll get on the level Waiting on the devil you will bring a shovel

We'll get on the level devil you can bring the shovel when we get on my level Yeah, oh, oh, oh! Palm touch, hit shape. Palm touch, earthquake. Get back, just pray. Can't come, come whatever, feel the nation river. We're going to be able to be.

Thank you. Thank you. We're going to be able to be. We're going to be able to be. We're going to be. Holy crap. dude. Do you like that there, Steve?

Oh, that was awesome. Oh, yeah. That's great. Now, people can hear you guys on Spotify. Yep, we're on Spotify, YouTube. And there's like three different indie ghosts, so I don't know how you, I know on Twitter, you guys are Indie Ghost Band. I-N-D-I-G-H-O-S-T. I believe.

But then on Spotify, you just go Indie Ghosts, and they're, There's two or three of them, but it's the one that's the band. Yeah. The other ones are like individual people. There's one, there's one of, there's one hardcore band out of, I think, towards England or something. Something, but they have like, it's got an X for the O. Yeah, I saw that one. I think they changed their name because of you guys, right?

Instagram is the Indigoast, all one word. Okay. And then the other one, I think, is actually out of Australia. Oh, is it Australian? And they're a DJ. Yeah, you're right. It's a single dude. Yeah.

Okay, well, it's real privilege to have you guys here. I'd love to, this is my dream eventually, and we've got to do this before you guys get so big that you won't hang out with me anymore. Steve, we're hanging out. Whatever. Okay, you say that now. Whatever.

I would love to get the band in here and do an acoustic, like an unplugged. Okay. Just try it. Have you ever done it? No, we're... There you go. Then we need to do it.

We're scared. We'll just do it for the radio show. We'll do it. And I can set up out there. I can set up a little in the waiting room. That's what we used to call it when we had an audience out there. And because, you know, we're so clever. Medically themed show, you get it.

Boo. Anyway, it sucks. But we could set it up out there and you guys could do an acoustic set. I'm hit. I'm sure. And then we'll get Kim doing some tape manipulation. We'll just blow people's minds. It'd be fun.

Let's do it. I think it would be fun. They are awesome when they just jam. Yes. We love it. It's just how the songs get written, my man. Indie Ghost is, okay, so for people who are just tuning in, check them out on Spotify. They're the best independent band out there that has not been discovered yet.

This is a shitty business, isn't it? We've got two minutes left. We need to talk about how the business is because you have so many talented people that, Like Dave Ray Cecil, we got his poster up there. We've had him on this show. If you've listened to my podcast, you've heard him. He's a singer-songwriter. As good as any singer-songwriter out there better than most of them,

and yet, you know, he's still playing gigs and restaurants and stuff like that. You guys really are one of the most inventive, clever, you know, excellent musicians doing unique music. And yet, you know, you're still having to ride around and tail. dealer's Jeep. It bothers me. I want you guys to be famous, you know? We want to be famous. I know you do. But we like playing music. We're going to do it regardless. That's why eventually you may yet make it because Dave Ray Cecil says the same thing. He says, I would love to be able to provide more for my family and make more money at this.

But at the end of the day, I'm a musician and I have to play music. I've never played music with four better people and we're going to keep on, keeping on. There you go, until they kick you out. I mean, yeah, I guess. I'm still going to play music if that happens. Thanks for coming. I really appreciate you guys. Cole, thanks for telling us your story.

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