Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 435 - Suck it, COVID!

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

Dr Steve, Tacie and Dr Scott discuss the release of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, what we know about the long-term data (basically nil), insomnia and cannabis...this was a cluster f of a show, but next week we'll answer all of our backlogged questions (there are many). stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) noom.doctorsteve.com (lose weight, gain you-know-what) Get Every Podcast on a Thumb Drive (all this can be yours!) wine.doctorsteve.com (get the best deal on wine…delivered to your home!) simplyherbals.net (for all your StressLess and FatigueReprieve needs!) betterhelp.com/medicine (professional counseling, online!) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yep. So, a couple of things. The feeling is coming back into my face. I just had some oral surgery done. And my phone must have gone on. And my beeper went off 100 times while I was under the nitrous. So here I am answering questions completely blitzed on nitrous. But it's amazing because, you know, you can function on that stuff.

You feel good, but all of those neurons still fired. That's crazy. Kind of interesting, yeah. You know, I didn't prescribe any medication or anything like that. I was talking to other providers about ethics and things like that. Oh, that's not important, ethics. That's silly. Silly stuff.

No, but what I'm saying is it was, yeah, that's interesting stuff. And the cool thing about nitrous is when it's done, they just take it off and say, well, see you later. And you can get in your car and just drive off. You can't do that with anything else. I love nitrous when you're getting facial things done. Yep. Like when we go to our place and get all that. Yeah.

What do you call it? What is the dermatologic? Yeah. No, aesthetics. Aesthetics was the word I was looking for because it's much more than Botox, really. The dermavarogens and stuff. Oh, yeah, all the fun stuff. The stuff that really hurts, but with nitrous, oh, doesn't hurt.

I had nitrous. Chanda gave me nitrous, and because she did plasma, or protein-enrich plasma injections in my scalp, because she claims that it promotes hair growth. And I have hair on the top, but it's pretty thin. It's been thin for about a decade. And so she had to do, you know, maybe 40 injections in my scalp. and so she gave me the nitrous, and every time she'd stick that needle in, my scalp, I would see,

or it was like fireworks were going off outside. It was just, I was just watching them. So I was like, hell yeah, just shoot me up. It's fine. I've got to go back in a month. They've got to do three treatments, and they did before and after, and they did follicle counts and stuff,

so we'll see. We should have her on this show when, when we need to have her on. She wants us to find her a guy on this show too and we talked about that a little bit last time she is gorgeous, she's funny, she's professional, she's smart she's taking you know her current

whatever paramour to Antigua and apparently paying for everything so she's a good girlfriend but we want her to find somebody similarly professional with a good job who's smart and funny and decent looking because now I've given up on matchmaking

but she asked us to do this so we thought we would do a dating game but we need to get people who are listening and who are interested you've got to be single too by the way assholes well she might not be single herself Steve so and she might not actually want us to talk about this kind

of stuff on our show no she totally wants me to talk about it. She sent me an email describing herself saying, oh, you know, if you find me anybody, let me know. Okay, because okay. Because why? Uh-oh. Do you think he listens?

No, I'm just thinking things weren't completely over. Yeah. Well, they will be when she gets back. That's the other thing. Don't. If he's listening to the show, at least he'll have a heads up.

That's a good thing. It'll take somebody really special to nail her down for the long term. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. So if you are a very special person and you're looking for somebody very special. And not wishy-washy. Email me. Yeah, she'll tell you how the hell she, what she thinks of you.

But if you have the balls to give this a shot, give me a shout. I will vet you. I'll get three of you guys together unless we just find the perfect person and then we'll, We'll duke it out. Maybe there will be a prize at the end of that. You and I will go to Primland, and then they can stay wherever. Okay. Or we'll go to Primeland with them because Chanda would be fun to take to Primeland.

She probably would be, but then they can pay for it themselves. Okay. We do have money for that in the budget, but we have money to take us too. He never told me that. No, I know. I never get to go anywhere. Oh, he'll take me anywhere either. And when we first met, he said, you know where I take my girlfriend.

on my third day. Oh, to Bahamas. Mm-hmm. I don't know that I've ever been to the Bahamas. No, because we quit going to the Caribbean, but, you know, where you have been is wild dunes about a thousand times. Not enough. Oh, and the Don Cazaar. Anyone that knows anything about St. Pete, tell me if I'm short-changing her by taking her to the Don Cazaar.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Well, maybe if she'd a hell off, you know, giving you some love until the third date, That had been, well, that's true, too, you know. We got married on the third. Well, the thing is, Tacey and I never dated. We just kind of glommed on to each other, and the next thing we knew, we were getting married. Yeah.

When I got divorced, I was like, oh, man, I'm going to be, you know, strutting my stuff. And it's like, oh, I know, you know what, I'm getting married. That's how it happens, though, so often. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. So many idiots, how many idiots do you know that we've known who've gotten divorced and then immediately get married again and it's like that is so stupid and then you think well that's what that's what

you did i was totally innocent you were okay well i wouldn't letting you go hey but there's good news you got to tell everybody you're good news right what good news is that what what you found out about the trial oh yes thank you um i'm giving that to a Pfizer pharmaceuticals at least for right now They decoded the trial. So most people who listened to the show for a long time know that I got an injection two weeks apart of either placebo or vaccine. When was it about two, three months ago? I have no concept of time. Well, it was before we went to the beach because I used my COVID trial money to buy drinks.

So it was sometime before, when was that that we went there? October. October, yes. Yeah, so we went October. The trip from hell was in October. Yes, it was. Big Joe. Well, I've got the covert.

Anyway, we've talked about that before. But go back and listen to Big Joe's covert operation. That's what I called that one. I tell the whole story about how Big Joe ruined our vacation, not because she got COVID-19. I mean, viruses got to live, too. But it was just her behavior after she got it. that was just egregious. But anyway, yeah, so I got this, I participated in the vaccine trial so that at least one of you all wouldn't have to do it.

Because I said if it kills people, I'm 65, who cares if I die? You're pretty good. So yesterday, they unblinded the study because FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine. And so they're unblinding it in the order that you would get the study. the vaccine if you were going to get. So, in other words, I'm a frontline provider. So we're first in line. And nursing home people would also be first in line.

So they went ahead and unblinded for us. And I got the call. And they were like having a party. It was like a big party. There were at least five of them on the speakerphone. We've got you on speakerphone. And I'm like, do you have good news for me? And they were like, ah, ha, ha, ha.

And it was like that. I mean, it was like they were having a Christmas party. And they were calling me because I didn't get to come to the party. something. That's what it felt like. But anyway, they, but they told me, yeah, I had gotten the vaccine, and then they asked me if I could tell that I got it. And those that listen to the show know that I was, had a high suspicion that I had gotten it, except that I went and got antibody testing. Because I thought I was being clever, and the antibody testing came back as negative. But it turns out that this vaccine makes different antibodies. So it's not the ones that you're testing. As a matter of fact, there's somebody has a question about it, so I won't blow up their question. So, yeah, that was good. And I also, because all of my staff in one city, it came down with COVID-19, I got tested on Saturday because Tacey wouldn't even kiss me. Infected.

Yeah, but I, um, so I did the, the PCR test, and it was also similarly negative. So that's so. So, we're COVID- free right now knock on wood great news for you wonderful news now i will kick a baby in the face to get it myself yeah and i should have gotten i you know during the trial i said i didn't have time to do it and i was going to keep doing it and now well it's too late so there you go yeah i should have gotten my ass down there and done that well nobody's more paranoid than me did you have What side effects, Dr. Steve? I had pain at the injection site, and then I had muscle aches and pains for about a day or two,

and I would rate them as two to three on a scale of one to ten. Yeah. Was it as bad as the shingricks? The shingrish saw them. Not at all. Good. Not at all. Hopefully more effective than a shingricks shot for a year.

Well, but you know what? Okay. You weren't here last week. You're right. I got shingles from the effing stress of what's going on in our health systems in general and the fact that I now have a new job that's a lot more stressful, but it only lasted two days. Oh, cool.

Literally two days, I had the slightest discomfort for two days and then nothing. Good. And now it's totally healed up. Good. That's good news. Yeah. Really good news. So anyway, there were some concerns about this vaccine in that when they started doing coronavirus vaccines for cats, they would produce one set of antibodies.

And then when the cats were actually exposed to the virus, they got so sick that some of them died. Oh, goodness. Because the immune system apparently was confused, and there's this sort of chain reaction that happened. Well, so somebody asked me about that today on Twitter, if that's going to happen with this human vaccine. It's like, well, hell, I hope not. But I don't think so. Because remember, this vaccine was 94% effective in preventing infection. That meant that, you know, there was 6% of people, you know, got the vaccine.

or there was a if you have a thousand people and a hundred got the virus in one group then only you know six six would have got it in this

in the in the vaccine group if it was 94% effective right so but the numbers were much larger than that but in that group of people that got the vaccine that

that got infected by SARS, you know, COVID-2 and got COVID-19. They had very mild syndrome, and none of them died. Good. So that fear seems to be unfounded at this point. Good. So, you know, 20,000 people got the vaccine. It's very safe. We talked about this last time.

Go look on our YouTube channel, Cliff Andrews, who is now our social. engineering person took a clip where we were talking about how the vaccine at 20,000 people getting the vaccine would tease out some pretty rare events, but it won't tease out the one in a million events.

That's the problem. So we won't see those until we start vaccinating millions of people. So if we vaccinated 350 million people in this country, which would be insane, But if we did, then if there was an adverse reaction that was one in a million, then we would expect to see about 350 of those at that point. Right.

Well, you know, they're shooting for 175 million, aren't they? Well, you know, we need to vaccinate the people who are most vulnerable. We don't have to vaccinate everybody. But if we want to get herd immunity involved so that we decrease the virus, the viral load, in the population, then yeah, then we're going to have to vaccinate a whole lot of people. And we want to, if we get to 55% people have been listening week after week are sick of hearing this from me, if we get to 55% immune, then that's the threshold for herd immunity. See, I hear different numbers thrown around, though.

So I don't think it's a bad thing that you keep saying that. Oh, okay, okay, okay, because I hear 80% to reach herd immunity. No, that's bullshit. It's very simple math. The math is herd immunity is reached when you have this percentage of the population immune, and that is one minus one over the R sub-zero. And if you remember, the R-sub-0 is the number of people theoretically in a perfect situation that one person will infect.

And for this, it's 2.4. So let's just do the math. Hang on. Echo, what's 1 divided by 2.4? Uh-oh. Is she lining up? Yes, she's on them. Oh, for F's sake.

Echo, what's 1 divided by 2.4? 1 divided by 2.4 is approximately 0.167. Okay. Echo, what's one? I divided by 2.4 is approximately 0.41.167. Sorry, I didn't catch that. Oh, my God. Do you repeat your calculation?

Oh, God, she's annoying like you are. Echo. I didn't catch that. Shut up. No. She's assing you. What's up? Echo, what's one minus 0.4167 or whatever the fuck you said?

now she's now she's mad at it now she's mad at you okay so it's like um she's pounding well it'd be it's almost point six point six right so it'd be point five point five eight something like that so 58 percent of people yeah um so if we get to 55 58 percent of people then we've hit the threshold for herd immunity. So, but that doesn't mean it goes away the next day. No. All that means is that the virus will no longer increase cases over time. It will only decrease.

So when a thousand people give it to 900, give it to 8,10, give it to 720, give it to 640, like that, okay, but we're talking millions of people. And each one of those generations is 21 days long, so it'll take a long time. Now, Tacey, to your point, if we get 80% of people immune, either through getting the virus or getting the vaccine, it will happen much quicker than that. If we get 90%, it could be over in a month or two. We'd be back to normal again. There's so many people on my Facebook who are not getting it. They will not get it.

And I understand their reticence. I just wish that they would listen to. And I know people say, well, listen to the science. And people are sick of hearing that, too, because they're telling them to wear masks. And the science for that isn't, you know, it's okay. The people who are argumentative about wearing masks aren't listening or reading about the science. They're like, well, this science, no, they're just like, don't take my freedom. They're just assholes.

Sorry, guys, if you don't wear one. What happens is that people often will get an eye. idea, or they'll have a belief in their head, and then they will look for evidence to support that. That's not science. No. Science. It's biased.

You form a hypothesis, then you go out and test it. And if the test says your hypothesis is bullshit, you discard that hypothesis. Well, I had another smart lady on my Facebook. That's how I researched this week. so and she said that the shot if you really researched it oh there we go was no more effective than a dose of tamiflu oh for fuck what okay but i didn't go into it i didn't want to start a facebook no i'm just kidding go ahead yeah go ahead go ahead i didn't want to go into it and start a facebook argument because i mean no who am i you can't you can't tell people that will not

listen to the evidence, unbiasedly, that they're wrong. They just refused to believe it. You know, I told the guy that they was talking about the masks not doing anything. I said, well, what would you think if your surgeon came in to do surgery on you? And the surgeon and the DOR staff, nobody in there was wearing a mask. Would you think that would be weird? Yeah. If you could have a total need and everybody's in there and their Hawaiian, they're in there and their Hawaiian shorts.

Yep. Beating off. Hey, smoking cigars. Hey, don't worry about those infections. Like they used to. Yeah, exactly. Don't worry. Those bugs aren't going to get you.

That's the fucking bullshit of it all. We're cussing a lot this. Pardon me. I'm the same way. But it's just infuriating. It's just infuriating. It really is. And I see, I saw a doctor, presumably reasonably intelligent person, although I know a bunch of dumbass doctors.

I do, too. What he did was he vaped, right? He took in a vape, which already a dumbass. And then he put a mask on and then blew it out and said, look, and then just showed how it comes out. Okay. The thing is is that, yes, I get it. It's wearing a mask is no good against vaping. But that's not what we're trying to prevent here. We're talking about something that's droplet.

Right. It's fluid. It's fluid. It's fluid. And if it's an aerosol, yeah, the mask won't stop the aerosol, but it will stop the droplets because they are big enough to be stopped by these masks, and particularly N95 masks for sure. but even cloth masks. And we're not, when you say masks don't work, what you're saying is they don't work 100% of the time. And we know that. That is absolutely true.

Very true. Will you give me that they work 10% of the time? Just give me that. 90% of, or let me put another way, 90% of the time masks don't do anything. Will you give me that? Yes, I will. Okay, well, then when you're in an area and where the R sub T, which is the number of people that one person will infect in reality is below 1.1, then if that 10%,

let's say it's 1.06, then if you reduce transmission by 10%, you've gotten that R sub T below 1.0, and now you're in that area where we're looking for for herd immunity, where the infection rate will just, do nothing but decline. Let's go to RT. Dot Live. RT. Live. Do you have your computer out?

I'll do it. I'll do it. Oh, by God, I'll do it. You just fucking do it. All right. Okay. Okay. Jesus Taze.

Do I need to, okay. Facebook timeout. Okay. So here we go. So RT. Dot Live looks at the R sub T for all these different states. And right now,

about a quarter of the states have an r sub t in other words they're transmitting less than one to one okay so they're in that that range where one person gives it to point nine people who gives it to point eight people like that okay and it's south dakota missouri nebraska Wisconsin Michigan Alaska Illinois and etc and but if you look at the ones that are in the red in here. Let me find how many. Okay, so Texas is 1.03. So if everyone wear a mask and you decrease transmission by 10%, they would be at, you know, 0.9 something.

You see? This is what I'm getting at. The highest one is at 1.19, which is Arizona. Nice going, Arizona. And Maine. Well, we're not that far behind. Tennessee is up, but it's 1.1. it's 1.12, so we could get it down with just 10%,

down to 1.02 somewhere in there. You know, whatever 10% of, let's say, Echo, what's 90% of 1.12? What is wrong with her today? Is she letting up? 90% of 1.12 is 1.008. Yeah, so we would get really close to 1 to 1 to 1. Which would be a linear relationship, and then anything else we do would get us below that number.

These numbers are incredibly close to one. Again, even 1.19 is incredibly close to 1. You need more than a 10% decrease to get below that 1.0, but you could do social distancing. There are some things that you could do. And we're only just talking about risk mitigation, getting these numbers down to the point where we don't have that geometric increase. that we had at the beginning of this, where the, you know, the R sub T was two, and then one person infected two, infected four, infected eight, infected 16, and you get that constant doubling. You know, you do that 30 times and you're in the millions.

Be in trouble, right. You know, does that make sense? No, the issue, yeah. So that's all we want with the masks. What would you say about the shot being, the vaccine being about as effective as Tam flu? Well, Tamiflu is not very effective. That's what she was saying. The vaccine is 90.

He got the numbers. It's 94% effective against infection, 100% effective in the numbers that they had against death. I don't know why she would say that. Why anybody would say that. They're just making it up. It's just an, and, okay, I'm not even going to say that. They have their own.

Their own agenda. Twist on the truth, baby. Okay. Okay, the efficacy of Tamifluon. is 89% for individuals and 84% for a household. So that's actually higher than I thought it was.

Because last time I checked the numbers, they didn't seem like they were that high. Why would anybody be preaching? Well, never mind. Shut up. Shut up, Tacey. Yeah. Yeah, just shut up. Just shut up. I will. Yeah. But what we're looking for,

though, they'd bring up one point. It would be nice to have a damn Tamiflu for coronavirus. So, Favapyaviravir, I've been preaching that one since March and it's not come out here in the United States. They're using it in Russia and India.

There's another one called Multapyrivir, I think something like that starts with an M that is supposed to be even more effective. That would be a pill that you could take. You go, you get coronavirus, you go to your doctor, they give you a prescription, you take it, you don't die, you don't end up in the hospital,

you don't progress to serious disease. That'd be great. Then to hell, so then what we could do is just vaccinate the people who are at the highest risk. I'm not at such high risk of dying from it. I'm in a risk group, but I'm more at risk at transmitting it to somebody. Right. Who is at a high risk? Very fragile patients. Because I'm seeing people, you know, I see cancer patients. I see old folks in nursing home, all that stuff. I see you as being the most at-risk person ever. And I don't know how many nights I have just prayed and prayed and prayed

and how thankful I was that you got that virus. That was like the best Christmas present ever. Tacey cried when I told her that I got it. And I'm not laughing at you. I'm just, that's the most emotion you've ever shown toward me in the 20 years we've been married. I mean, all of his nurse practitioners have gotten it, basically, in one city. I mean, how much worse can the numbers be in a group of people? And I'm just waiting on you to get it.

And then I don't, then I wouldn't even know how to turn the TV on in the house. That is true. Or the computer. because this place is rigged. Like nobody's business. You'd have to grubhub every night. Scott would have to come live here. I'd have to come cook for her.

I'd have to come do the electronics for her. If Scott came and cooked for you, you'd be a very sad person indeed. No, you'd be happy. Well, we're having mashed tofu tonight. I'd be. Oh, that's true. Hey, I don't know. He could probably do it pretty good.

Hey, listen, I made a fabulous tuna melt last night with a very, with a one of those funky sauerkrauts? Oh my God, wonderful. Okay, now that doesn't sound like that great. And this is about as boring as sex with my wife. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I could woo you, Tacey.

I could will you. Well, we are very excited, and I guess that's why we're just rambling today. I'm very excited. You know, people are actually getting the vaccine, and, you know, things, I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, I really do. That's good stuff. All right.

We have a quote from the Bennington Show, Tase. Your favorite feller, Ron Bennington was talking about you. Oh, good. Let's see what we got out here. Can't wait. Bennington Show. Monday, Monday afternoon football, starting very, very shortly, very, very exciting for me. I'm going to be having my dinner.

with football I don't Whoever Thank you Whoever sent this to us But your skills At cutting up audio Are not so great

But we appreciate it No I do appreciate it I haven't heard it In 2020 I just got the Dr. Steve Christmas card That he sends out every year And it's a dumpster fire

That says 2020 on it But he's got a picture Of him, Tacey and the boys They are men now It's very unsettling When you see How fast other people's children grow Okay

Whoops And not only they get big It's like disturbing Right I know Like you're It's like oh this is a marker of time Not only did they grow so big

But so did Tasey's tits Oh my God That's weight gain That's weight gain He loves you though I love him too. He said when I die, he's just going to come and just mess with you constantly. It's like you can do it now.

Just mess with her. You ain't going to mess with you. You ain't going to bother her. The first time Tacey met him, he took a shine into her. And do you remember that night we were outside? Was it bar nine? We were outside there? I think so.

And he just started messing with you. What was it? He said, do you have Jews in 10? and you're like, oh, yeah, we have, you know, we respect the Jewish people. And he's like, wait a minute. There's a Jew. Hey, Jew. And then, and then what was the deal with, I can't remember the rest of it. It was brilliant. It was, it was on and on and on. And it turned into being about Jewish people, to black people, to me being Southern and racist. Oh, and gays. And so then, from then on, you were Dr. Steve's racist wife. Yes, I remember that. I remember

That was just a made-up character just for people to understand that. You know, I appreciated it. I mean, it's not true. Oh, it was hilarious. Yeah, it was funny. It was funny because it was very uncomfortable. He made you very uncomfortable, and yet you were attracted to him at the same time, which is interesting. And that one night he rented that limousine to go to O' God, that was the greatest.

And this lady had this trucker hat on. that said, I heart rim jobs. And she was knocking on the, on the window, and he was messing with her. He's so comfortable just talking to anybody. He's like, hey, babe, how's it going? She was trashed. It was so funny. And it's got this hat that just says, I heart rim jobs.

And if you want one of those, by the way, go to cafepress.com slash weird medicine, and I had some made, just in honor of her. That's funny. So if you want one for it, it's a good. good holiday gift. Yeah, Philly's an interesting place. Oh, that was odd. Well, he took us to all the places. The seedy places.

That you don't see on the tour of Philadelphia, if you know what I mean. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was nice. It was awesome. Should we answer some questions? I know. I know.

I'm sorry. Number one thing. Don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. All right. Here we go. Here we go. Hey, Dr. Steve, I probably won't get a chance to hear this. And I really would love to because I really appreciate what you

do for medicine, and you're talking about the vaccine right now. And I'm not serious. About the vaccine, you probably will never be able to get back to me, but if you wanted to, I'm at J.D. Oh, okay. I had a Giambiae reaction to a flu shot 15 years ago before the hospital for over a week. They weren't sure what it was. They tried, you know, they did different protocols.

They tried to do a lumbar puncture because it got it might have been meningitis, and then they kind of worst-case scenario, we actually had to do a flu shot. I'm pretty sure it was GBS. I have avoided the flu shot. I've never gotten one since then. This put a pretty big scare to me, and my wife at the time was a doctor. And when we got the diet, when they were trying to figure out what it was, we were in Alaska, military post, small, and paramedics.

How about to be a neurologist? This goes on for a while. So his question is, should I take the coronavirus vaccine? We don't have a protocol for this yet. The Guillain-Barray syndrome is what he's talking about is a muscle weakness disease. We call it ascending neuritis. It usually starts in the legs and then works its way up. And as the muscles get weaker and weaker, and then you can't kick out your leg and then you can't walk.

And then if it keeps ascending and it starts hitting the muscles of respiration, you know, the muscles you use to breathe, that's a real problem. And then it kind of, after a while, it peaks. and then it sort of works its way back down again. And there are people that get all the way better. This guy sounds like he probably did. They can develop over hours to weeks, and it can happen occasionally with influenza vaccine. You know what else causes it, though, Dr. Scott?

Influenza. So it's not, yeah, it's the antigen itself that causes it. So when you get it as a vaccine and you get Gion Bray, well, by God, the back. vaccine but then you get it because you had swine flu well now who do you blame you blame the person who gave you the flu which his name would be Bruce Donahue if you remember my friend from high school who was visiting us and gave us all swine flu that year yes so so now should he take it well they say he probably shouldn't take influenza vaccine again he better not get influenza either

this guy that called. We don't have a protocol for this kind of problem for the coronavirus vaccine, but they are saying that people who have anaphylaxis, in other words, severe immune reaction to previous vaccines probably should not get this. Now, look, not everybody has to get this vaccine. That's the thing. If you're in a group where it's going to be more high risk for you to get it than it is for you to not get it, then don't get it.

Right. It's okay. So what if you're a person, you know, we all know those people who are allergic to a lot of stuff. Yeah. I'm allergic to eggs. I'm allergic to sulfa. I'm allergic to this. I can't use this lip gloss. I can't use this shampoo.

Right. You know, so what about that person? Yeah. Well, if you have like allergic rhinitis, you're okay to do it. But if you have a lot of allergies in general. I mean, are you even prepared to, to say? What they're saying now is that you have to, it's people who have had severe and life-threatening reactions to things like vaccines in the past. Okay. So let's see here. If, I'm just looking. Okay, polyethylene glycol is a component of the vaccine and anaphylaxis to polyethylene glycol, which is also known as Merrillax.

has been rarely reported with the bowel preparations and prescription medications such as methyl prednisalone acetate. And if you think you've had anaphylaxis with any one of these products, you should make sure that you talk it over with your provider before you get a vaccine for this. We don't want to be hurting people with this vaccine. And again, like I said, not everybody has to get it. It's okay if you're in a group that can't get it. it because everybody else around you hopefully will get it and will provide you with that herd immunity right that's what that's really what you're doing if you vaccinate around people

you have somebody that's vulnerable and everyone around them has been vaccinated there's that's a moat around them that the vac that the virus cannot cross yep that's what i was going to say if he'll just stay healthy and practice good social distancing for now until that's right people around him can get predicted which by the way we're doing a very good job of in this studio right now that's right we're six feet apart. Scott and I'm not. Scott and I'm not looking at it. Well, Sky, you and Scott are over there making out. Practically making

out over here. Yep. And COVID times. Ron Beddington's wishing he was me right now. If he only knew. All right. Hey, Dr. Steve, it's only if you could answer how the vaccine is effective if the antibodies in the vaccine

don't match the actual virus. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay, they do so what he's saying is we talked about this earlier that if you get this vaccine and they test you for antibodies to SARS Cove 2, you won't have any. Right. But that's because they're testing for a specific antibody. Depending on how you attack this protein, you could produce a bunch of different antibodies.

And those antibody tests are so specific that if you don't test for the exact one, then it'll show up as negative. That doesn't mean you're not making antibodies against the virus. It means you're not making antibodies that that test can detect. That's a different thing. Makes sense. That's good. Okay. So I'm sure that Pfizer, because they have a test for the antibodies that their vaccine makes, they will be selling that as well.

So it's just another way to make a couple extra bucks. You know, it's like when we promote Dr. Scott's website at simplyurbles.net. It's just another way for him to make a couple of bucks. off of this stupid podcast. You got anything up there right now? You got some... Most of it, just the nasal sprays. They're still going pretty busy.

Pretty big, pretty busy. Yeah, nasal spray is doing okay. That's the best saline nasal spray on the market, in my opinion. I am biased, but I am usually don't allow my biases to affect what I endorse. And it is awesome. So what's in that? What's in that? The honey.

Do you have Manuka honey in it? Manuka honey. I got a deal. I got a line on some manuka honey. Oh, yeah. Oh, we'd love to, yeah. The peppermine oil, salt. Peppermint oil is a mucus membrane anti-inflammatory.

And a little bit of salt. So, so sodium chloride. Oh, so do you say sodium chloride. Jesus. You want to sell this stuff, or do you know? Sodium chloride and manuka honey. It does have manuka honey? No, not too.

Oh, you're damn a lie. Well, you can't lie. Oh, God, you can't even tell the truth. Oh, no, oh, for God's sakes. just go on the website and then you can read it. Yes, you can read it. That's right. I'm waiting for Dr. Steve to hook me up with some good honey. I can do that.

Yep. All right. I'm trying to hook chand up with a good honey. A good honey. Well, there you go. There you go. All right. All right. Okay, now, let's just take another one. Let me see. We did the antibody one.

Let's try this one. Hey, Dr. Steve. So I have a question about the vaccine. My work, I am in home health. and I'm an occupational therapist, and my work is making me take the vaccine within the next two weeks. And my worry is that it's so new. I want to wait at least six months to see what's going to happen. What do you think is there going to be any long-term effects with this?

That's a good damn question, isn't it? That we have no idea about. Two years from now, those of us that took it could be zombies like I am legend. I mean, I doubt it. It seems to be very safe and effective. But if your employer is compelling you to do it, you may have to have some sort of exemption to get out of it. Now, so let's just talk about that. Our employer requires us to get influenza vaccine.

They're not requiring this vaccine yet because it's so new. They're not requiring it. And I think part of that is they don't want to compel people to take something that there's no long-term date on. On the other hand, they may just not want to get sued, too. And I think that's true of a lot of employers. But now there are going to be some that are going to really jump on this bandwagon. Now, to get out of taking influenza, a lot of places you can't even have a religious reason not to do it. And I've never understood what religious exemption you could claim.

for a for a vaccine anyway so this one according to my Facebook yes that it changes your DNA and that is complete horse fecal matter I mean I know but that's what people are believing go go back and you know I did these COVID situation reports talked about how MRI vaccines work it's new technology but it's not it's new to humans and it's new to the news media it's not new They've been working on this for 20 years. There are MRNA vaccines in veterinary medicine that are being used, have been being used. This is just the first one in humans.

They were going to do it for SARS. They were going to try it in MERS, but neither one of them panned out. They didn't turn into a pandemic. Thank God. And so they think it's just been sitting there waiting for a pandemic coronavirus to come out. And really the reason people. think it's affecting their DNA is because it is genetic material that they're in but messenger RNA is not your DNA okay when you make proteins in your cells your DNA opens up there's a

transcription device in there it's crazy these machines they're little micro you know nanomachines that then transcribe the DNA into messenger RNA the messenger RNA then goes to these things called ribosomes, which is a little factory, that then reads the instructions that the MRNA is giving them and creates a protein, amino acid by amino acid. Go on YouTube and just look for an animation of MRNA transcription. It'll blow your mind. It's un-effing believable. This has been working for millions of years before we had any concept that this was

happening. Yep. And I mean, the science behind it is just so incredibly advanced. But our bodies were just doing it and not even thinking about it because the cells are not thinking about anything. They just do what they're supposed to do. So what we're doing is we're fooling the body by inserting messenger RNA into the body and getting the cells to then, hey, while you're making these widgets

over here, make these widgets for us. It's like you go to a factory and you insert a different order for a different widget into the workflow. And so, hey, and while you're making all these other proteins that you're making, make me some of these too. And that's all it is. It's just a set of instructions that says make this vaccine, make this viral protein, that we will then express on the surface of the cell.

The immune system will detect it. Make antibodies and cellular immunity against it. And then we'll go on our merry way. The MRNA degrades. It only lasts for a few days, but the body never forgets. And even if the antibodies decrease over time, even in three months they're gone, you can't detect them anymore. Cellular immunity is forever and never forgets. So you may get infected again, but it should be extremely mild.

Just like all the other coronavirus infections you've had in your life, starting from when you were a kid, there's only like five of them. So if you've had more than five colds, of course, you're going to have peri influenza and stuff, but I'm talking about colds. If you've had more than five colds and you've been infected by coronaviruses more than once, you know, you probably ran through all five of them. These effing things suck. We need to kill all of them and eradicate them from the face of the earth. But in the meantime, let's just make it so they can't hurt us. That's the first step. And that's what this is about.

Okay. All right. God damn it. Hey, Dr. Steve. How are you doing, man? I'm doing all right, man. How are you doing? Good.

I'm glad to hear that. Thanks. Love your show. Appreciate it. I am calling with a therapy question. Okay. I better have, we both are cannabis people. Cannabis people.

better have can smoke and bait and enjoy cannabis. However, she does not feel any effect on edibles. With edibles? I probably... Gabe, I'm having trouble with his audio, but I'll handle this question. Okay, his question is he and his wife like to do cannabis, but when his wife takes edibles, she gets no effect, go. Has he had anything else to add to this, or is that it?

Hell, I can't tell. I don't know if he had a question. Well, that's the question. What's going on with his wife? Well, the edibles don't kick in as quickly and tend to come on much more gradually. So, you know, typically with the edibles, you don't get that euphoric buzz high that you would get if you're smoking. Not right away. Not right away.

It's much more subtle and lasts a whole lot longer. You know, typically if you're vaping or smoking, you're going to get much more of a buzz instantly. instantly, instantly, but it doesn't last as long. And that would be my guess. Plus, you know, you don't know what, if they've developed a bit of a, if they've been using the cannabis for a while, they've got a bit of a tolerance for it. May the edibles, you may need a little bit larger dose of the animals. I don't know if I agree with you on that.

I think that there's, I'm just telling you for, I think there's reverse tolerance to cannabis that the more you do it, the less you need to get the same effect. because I know the first time well let's just say a guy I knew whose name rhymes with me me

the first time you know that that person did it three or four times got really no effect and then all of a sudden it kicked in and then that person required less and less over time to get the same effect maybe it's because then you're recognizing it

I don't know but it's not like opioids where you need more and more and more but anyway go ahead but it isn't it is not like opioids on in that way, but I do know for effect that there are most of the folks that do edibles fairly regularly. If they are former smokers or if they still in, if they still do the vapings, if they do need to take a little larger dose of the edibles because they don't, they don't perceive

the feeling. I wonder if decarboxillation is involved in that as well. That's the only way you can make an edible. Yeah. You have to decarve it first. And then the thing, so if you're, and that's a good question, see, if, if they're making their own edibles and they're not decarving it. first, then they are absolutely not going to get the ultimate effect.

You have to decar it first. Like if you eat a bud, I'm just saying, don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. But I'm just saying if you eat a bud, you may get no effect. But if you heat that bud up in, let's say you chopped it up and put it in a brownie or something and then heated it up, then there's that decarboxilation occurs and then it becomes, you know, not infinitely more potent, but it becomes significantly more potent at that point.

so yeah I wonder and I wonder if you're not wrong in the sense that if they're vaping some people may be just used to that huge peak in the beginning and then if they're doing the edibles they're not getting that and so it just doesn't affect them in the same way yeah totally but I I do have a pretty good point in saying that you can develop tolerances to a certain degree but with the with the marijuana or the cannabis is nothing like I did say I didn't agree with that but I do agree with your point of the impulse, you know, the original peak. Yeah. And I think that's what I said. And that's one benefit, I think, to the, to the edibles that I, that I would love for, once it becomes a much more mainstream and legal throughout the U.S., as people to realize you can have edibles that don't make you stoned, don't make you impaired,

that are just super great for, in my personal opinion, for anxiety. I wouldn't know. And for sleep and for insomnia. Sure. And I'm going to tell you, you know, she was talking about walking on the baby's face, I'd, I would chew off my own arm to get help with my insomnia. Really? Yeah, and this is one thing. Why don't you talk to me about this, you ask?

I'll help you with that. Well, I've got it much, much better under control now, thanks to modern science. Okay. Decarbbing is a good thing. Decarboxylation. Okay. Decarboxylation is a good thing. Have you seen that?

That device, I got one for my kid for Christmas because he has trouble sleeping. And it's a device that's got a blue light on it, which I'm not a fan of blue light when you're trying to get sleep. But anyway, and what it does is it flashes at a certain rhythm and then you are supposed to breathe with the light. And then it slows down and slows down and then it's supposed to allow you to sleep. And I just wonder if anybody's having any experience with that because the science behind it looked good. pretty good, yeah. I've not tried it. The only thing I've done anything similar to that is I've got a little meditation app that does help kind of get my brain waves calm down. Well, let me tell you something. Bobby Kelly was here at Thanksgiving. And Tacey, tell Scott what happened when we put the trip app on his ass. So he put it on, and he didn't have it on for maybe a couple of minutes. Okay, the trip app is, it's TRIPP. It is a virtual reality environment that is pure.

relaxation and stress relief and teaches breathing exercises stuff. Have you done it? I've done your Oculus. It's on the Oculus. Yeah, okay, go ahead and taste. So he's sitting there, and he didn't have it on, not even two minutes. Do you think, Steve, and

his body started to move left out of the chair. He was falling out of the chair, and that was just an introduction into relaxation. It was just the introduction part. We were paying attention to him. He had the goggles on and so tacy and dawn and max and the kids and we were all just talking and then we look over and it's like his bobby falling over and he was falling out of the chair oh my gosh

i love it now that's awesome that is pretty cool so well if that things is powerful for meditation as it was with that damn skyscraper thing yeah oh yeah richie's richie sky skyscraper challenge or whatever for people who don't know this is a virtual reality it's not even a game it's It's just an experience. And you take an unsuspecting person, usually, that's the best way to do it. You put the goggles on, say, hey, we're going to try this thing. And they go in, and they go into an elevator. And they push the button, and they go up 100 floors.

And they're just sitting there, and they can see, you know, ding, ding, ding. And they're like, what is this? And then the door opens up, and the elevator opens onto a two-by-four. A plank. Walking to plank. Yeah, it's Richie's plank experience. That's what's called. And there's a donut at the end of it.

And all you have to do is walk out on the plank and pick up the donut. It's torturous. And you know you're in your living room. But you can't do it. I couldn't do it. There's no way. I did it. You know, and I've got Dr. Stu with me.

And he's like, go, I'm like, oh, my God. He's like, you're not going to follow you. You're okay. And he's like standing beside me. And I know I'm here on flat ground with his help. And it's like, oh. I have to get on my knees. I don't get on my hands and knees.

If you did step off the plane. Nothing. You fall in the game, but you don't fall in real life. But when you fall in the game, how is that? You fall a hundred and four. No, thank you. No, I don't think so. And the thing is, is that when you fall in the game,

it's hard for you to stand up straight. Oh, my God. I've got a couple of games that I play standing up, and I just am falling over constantly. Oh, my gosh. It's so awesome. Well, you know, as old as you are, you know. Yeah, as old as you are, Steve.

Yeah. If you want to do the trip app, though, I have. I happen to have an extra oculus sitting around. It is really cool. If you want to, you know, take it off my hands. That's right, yeah. All right. Well, anyway, well, let's get out of here.

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