Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 447 - Adam and Steve

Episode Date: March 11, 2021

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simply herbals.net. All right, very good. Hello, Stacey. Good to have you in the studio, man. Thank you very much. Been a little while. It has. Glad to see both of y'all.

Yeah, man. So, yeah, Stacey brought me a nerd thing that we were going to use on the air today, and I couldn't figure it out. It's a software-defined radio, and it's just this little box that you plug into your USB port, and it'll go from, like, 100 hertz up to, like, Like 2 gigahertz or something?

Yeah, something like that. It comes to the entire band spectrum. So you can listen to AM FM, then ham radio stuff. You can listen to police, fire, aircraft. Aircraft. You can listen to private band radios as long as they're not encrypted. Right. You probably listen to some moon stuff and satellite crap, too.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, because it goes up into the gigahertz. Yeah. For $39. But the only thing I could get it to do was repeat back what we. were doing. Well, that's what was interesting anyway. You think that was interesting? I didn't find it interesting at all. I was pretty, you know, Scott was annoying.

It's nerd stuff. And it's like, all right. So, yeah, so this is what I could get it to do. It's pretty neat. I wish you all could see it. It's got a great, what we call, waterfall display on it. But it's waterfalling my voice, and that's

not what I wanted it to do. So I have to figure out how to make that actually do the radio. But anyway, Thank you for bringing that. That's very cool. I've been doing a lot of ham radio stuff lately. Fox Trot Tango 8 is the mode that I enjoy right now. It's a computerized mode.

I don't have to talk to anybody. I am trying to get my system to recognize that. There's still some skill involved in that you've got to be in the right place at the right time, but also figuring out what transmit and receive frequency that you should be using to optimize your ability. to get that rare country, you know, bagged in your... In your log? I just realized. This is just...

Well, you said it's going to be a game show. Only a ham radio operator would have any interest in this whatsoever. I'm just thinking about it as like, you know... All three people? I'm pretending that Tacey's sitting there, and I'm talking about, you know, bagging these rare countries to put in my logbook, but that's just really all you're doing. And then it's cool because then they put it in theirs, and then you get a little star. next to it that says that, you know,

that was a confirmed. You've been bagged. It was a confirmed contact. I look like getting a star on the refrigerator. I did good. Yeah, that's really what it is. And now that, you know what? Go F everybody.

I'm going to throw all my ham radio stuff away. I just realize it's stupid. I'm just afraid of anybody that's driving down the interstate in the middle of the night listening to the show, they're going to start having. Okay. Well, you wait until you start answering your questions. I am not going to answer anything about. about a ham radio because I don't know anything.

Well, no, I mean, you have some questions to answer. We'll see if there are any more entertaining. One would assume not. And while you're answering this question, I'm going to be calling. Oh, you know what? Oh. Okay. I'm going to have to put this show on hold just for a second.

Those of you at home won't notice anything. It'll be like you had a colonoscopy, and they told you to count back to 10, and then you open your eyes, and it's over. Does it be farting a whole lot? We have to, no, they use nitrogen now. It doesn't even work. You know, I had my colonoscopy last time, and I was going to take a fletus flute with me and cram it up there and then just have a blast recording it.

Of course, now that I say it out loud, it sounds just as stupid as the ham radio, but and record it and, you know, for the show. Right. I figured I could get a good 30-second, you know, flatus flute whistle, which, by the way, if you all don't know what I'm talking about, it's a whistling button. plug and the artwork is done by not son of Sam, son of Fritz

and the guy is on Twitter is Dan Tech 1. Just go to fletusflute.com you can check it out. But anyway, I figured a good 30 second toot on that thing. But they use nitrogen.

It's all absorbed and nothing. Nothing. Not the first hint of Flatus emerged from my rectum. because it was all gone. I was all right back into your body. Yeah, right as soon as they finished, it was done.

So disappointing. I was pretty pissed. I was pissed. I told my colonoscopist that I was, next time I want air or carbon dioxide. So he's walking or carrying a butt plug with nothing to do with it? Because the first time I had one of those

and they pumped up my coal and they pumped it up like a dang balloon, right? It was tight. I could tell, you could feel it. Oh, wow. And when I got out of there, I've told this story before, I went to the bathroom and just thunderous

flatus coming out of you know and it just went on and on and on and there were conversations on the other side of the wall that I heard they stopped right people were over there talking they just stopped and then you know the nurse was pretty hot and I just stuck my head out of the door after I just farted up a storm you know and so of course you heard every bit of it I mean it was shaking the walls and I'm like so what are you doing this weekend you know anyway She found it funny. It's work-related. Anyway, so we'll be right back because we're going to get a guest on the phone.

It's going to talk to us about lucid dreaming. Okay. All right, and we're back. Hopefully that was painless for everyone since it was instantaneous as far as listeners were concerned. We have Adam on the line. And Adam is calling about some lucid dreaming, which I'm always interested in talking to people about. So, Adam, tell us your story. And I know you emailed me, but, you know, the listeners haven't read your email.

So just sort of give them the Reader's Digest version. Sure. After listening to your show and then listening to a couple other shows talking about it, I thought I would try and see if I could do it. I don't know that I've been real successful, but I think you would talk about it. I'm just kidding. Try harder. Where you, you know, you pick one thing as like an indicator that tells you that you're in a dream.

Yes. And one of the indicators for me is, is if I find myself in my hometown over the phone booth at the end of the block, and it's been gone for years, and if it's there, I know I'm dreaming. Okay. Isn't that strange? Yeah, yeah. I know I'm dreaming if I see people ice skating. on linoleum, but it doesn't help me to be in control of it. You know what I mean?

Right. Another thing, and I mentioned in my email, is that I'm an amateur photographer, and I told myself once, you know, an indicator that you're dreaming would be is you could take a picture of something with a camera and with a modern camera, and you could try to look back at it on your camera screen, and if it's not there, then you're dreaming. And I thought, well, that would be really cool. And I got it to work in a couple of dreams. But my brain outsmarted me in the dreams, I would look down and I would have a camera in my hand.

And I would pick it up to take a photograph of something to test to see if I was sleeping and the camera was broken. Oh, no. And so I couldn't get it to work. But I knew, but that was enough to make me know that I was dreaming. Why is this so effing hard? I mean, why does our brain? make it. I don't know, but it's...

Yeah, it drives me crazy. Another thing that I've been successful, I'm sorry. No, go ahead, go ahead. Another thing I've been successful at is, is boring time travel. Like, I'll go back to when I was a kid or something. It's nothing exciting. Yeah. But I find, like, if I see that phone booth, I have the ability to, like, grab somebody in the dream and say,

hey, I'm from the future, and I'm going to explain to you, things and and you know and then they'll just look at you like you're insane but it's it's it's hard to explain but like I'll take them to buildings and stuff that that I was never in when I was a kid and say now we're going to go around the corner and this is going to be here and and it always is but I think my brain is just constructing it out of memory yeah yeah so I haven't really done anything interesting like I said I think I'm getting there but I don't think I've done anything really cool with it well it's still cool though I mean I love talking about it because it fascinates me it's like there's this whole world inside our heads that

we if we could just explore it but we're at the mercy of whatever the operating system is and it just says no you know what you're not going to dream about having intercourse with you know a hot you know whatever brunette I'm Paris is going to be in your backyard and not Paris Hilton you know and then you're going to and you're going to wonder well how come I to get on a plane to go there when it's been in my backyard all this time and all this stupid shit and why can you've talked about this is a lot and and one of the things is like it'll turn nonsensical for me and that's when i lose control of anything and the dream just goes off the rails yeah and it'll be something really done that makes no sense like i'll be typing on a computer

with a piano you know and all of a sudden my brain will go well that doesn't make any sense you can't use a computer with a piano, you fool. And then the next thing, you know, there's, there's like a train in my front yard. And, you know, and the dream is just, it's, it's, right. Any semblance of trying to control it is gone. But the, but the train in your front yard is just like normal, though. It's not like, whoa, there's a damn train in my front yard. Right, you don't, yeah, you don't go, well, that's silly.

There's never been a train in my yard before you just, your brain just goes, oh, yeah, there's a train in the yard. It's so crazy. I, I, I, I, I've had, yeah, go ahead. Oh, go ahead. No, no, you go. go we have a little delay one thing i really wanted to ask you about is how like there's a speed bump by my house and cars always you know like if they go over and if there's a truck there'll be like

a bang yeah and how does your brain incorporate that into the dream because i've always been curious about that you'll hear a bang and in a dream it'll be like someone banging on door maybe a bomb going off or something but in order for that to work How did your brain know that that was going to happen because the setup would have had to have happened before the noise? Correct. Or do you just think it did? That's my hypothesis is that you're a little bit unstuck in time when you're dreaming. I know that I've had dreams that seem like they went on for hours and then I wake up and it's only been a couple of minutes and vice versa where, you know, I thought I was only asleep for a few minutes and, you know, it was hours.

I guess that would be the, you know, the converse. I didn't have to go through the whole thing. But anyway, I've had the same exact question that something will be said in the real world. It's incorporated in my dream, but there had to have been some retroactive setup for that to have made sense at the moment. And then I realize none of it makes sense. So the brain can just make you think, yes, I set all this up before. Or did the brain know that you've heard this and is constructing the dream around this phrase? Yeah.

This phrase is the theme of your dream. But what he's saying is, you know, it fit into the dream, so there had to be some groundwork laid for this thing to fit in there, except it happened right then, and there's no way the brain could have known that. So that tells you right there that the brain is effing with you and it's playing with time. and it's getting you to say, yeah, that, you know, all this setup was really there. But just think how fast your brain has to process. Yeah. With everything else, it has life support and everything else. Yeah, it's a massively parallel process, but that's the thing.

Each operation is very slow because they're chemical operations. But the net total is very fast as far as the kind of processing that we see where we're, you know, I'm looking at that poster of Vic Henley, and all of these things are coming to mind. You know, comedy, I can read it without translating it. I know what colors those things are. There's Cliff, Andrews, there's James. You know, I think of the memories I had with Vic before he died. All that stuff is in my head.

And it's just buried in there somewhere. Now, I may not think about Vic again until I see this poster two weeks from now. But where the hell does that shit reside? It's all in there. And it's all chemically stored. It's not like it's a hard draft that it can pull the data from. It has to have the chemical reactions in order to reproduce these thoughts. There may be some hardware wiring where the microtendrils actually may change their configuration slightly,

but it's not like we think about it. It's like the Babbage's a different engine where you had to go in and change the dials and stuff. What was the thing that they've been an experiment with? Poor Adam. I mean, he's now, he's stimulated this. And now, here we go. We've already gone and run this thing out into the weeds. It's fascinating.

Taking, being able to store data like you do on a hard drive by storing it in DNA. Yeah. That's something they've heard about for the last four or five years. Well, sure. DNA is. We're doing geek stuff again. No, no, we're good. When we read it right now, we're reading it in three, you know, three letter combinations.

And the thing is, you don't have to read it that way. You could have an enzyme that reads it in four letters, you know, and these codons can be four letters long. And so you could have a DNA that reads one way when you're reading it as three letter combinations and a different way when you read it as four letter combinations. Or maybe you start one nucleotide farther in, and now you've got a whole new thing. And there are some proteins that are made that way. And they actually function, which is crazy. So, I mean, the whole thing, when you start thinking about it, will drive you batty.

And just the whole concept of consciousness where we are the universe, we grow out of, you know, into the universe. And we are the universe's mechanism for regarding itself. But how does that even work? And that's why we have so much problem with mental illness because we don't have a clue how the, brain works. Why do we need sleep? Why do fish sleep? What do they need to do? What memories are they processing? What are they dreaming about? We really curious about. Let's say that you have somebody that's like bilingual or knows multiple languages. Yes. When you talk to someone in a dream, what language do they speak? Yeah, that's interesting. When I was fluent in Spanish in college, I would

dream in Spanish. But that was because, you know, I was studying it, and so it was on my mind all the time. Now, I don't know the answer to your question, Adam, but I'll tell you one thing that's fascinating about language, which blows me away, that if you bring a kid up, kids' brains are very plastic when it comes to language, and if you bring a kid up in a household where there are six different speakers of six different languages, they will effortlessly, although they'll start off sounding like a dumb ass, like all kids do, because they're not. Because, you know, they're learning organically rather than learning it from a book.

And they, but they will speak all six languages to each person. They'll never speak Spanish to the Greek speaker or Russian to the German speaker, any of that stuff. And I had a friend who she had a kid in China. She has five kids. One of them was born in China. One was a little toddler when she was there. But the one that was born in China, after about two years, she thought that she was, you know, had a delay, you know, an intellectual delay because she didn't talk. She just babbled all the time.

And when she took her to Chinese daycare, when she, well, of course, there they call it daycare, but she took it to daycare in China. And she said, this one is, I think she's delayed. She seems like a nice enough kid, but she doesn't talk. And when she went to pick her up that day, they said, oh, no, she's talking. She's talking in Chinese. And my friend's Chinese wasn't good enough to pick up baby talk Chinese, but she had an opair or, you know, and she would speak to her in Chinese all the time. She was picking that up preferentially compared to her parents' language, which was fascinating. So that kid is completely fluent in Mandarin.

Wow. Yeah. Isn't that cool? That is pretty good. That's amazing. So the human brain, you can ask me these questions. I have no answers, but I love to talk about it because it's fascinating. What is it?

Go ahead. I'm going to mess this up. What's the one when you're going to sleep, the hypnobogic? Yeah, hypnagogic episodes. Okay. Yeah. Which, by the way, you're going to give me one of these. You'll have the ball coming at your face.

Yes, yes. And that kind of thing. The one that happens to me, and it drives me nuts, is that I get it occasionally where it's like that feeling you get when you're walking and there's a step down. Yes, I get that too. Yep. And you go, and you just, yeah, and you almost kick yourself out of the bed. Yep, yep. Yeah, because your whole body jerks, like you're falling just like six inches.

I had one couple of weeks ago I was I don't know exactly I had one of those weird things I've been up all night on a salvage job and had been up and forever and decided to take a nap and woke up I was pretty sure I was having a convulsions just shaking and just

that's hypnopompic and just unbelievably happy for about 30 seconds and I couldn't explain why that's a weird one Yeah, well, the time when I had my first hypnopompic episode, I've talked about it on this show where I woke up and I could see my parents. I was sleeping in my parents' bedroom with my then-wife because my parents were out of town. Just let me throw that in there.

My parents weren't in there with us. But I opened up my eyes. I could see the whole room. I could see all the details on my mom's dresser and all this stuff. And there was this giant eyeball floating in space, right? next to the bed. Watching over a year? Yeah, and I was like, oh, what the hell?

I mean, this is real. I'm being, you know, visited by some strange thing, and then it blinked, and I had, like, a convulsion. Right. I just, my whole body shook like that. And then I woke up, and then I realized what was going on, because when I woke up, actually woke up, it was completely black in that room. I couldn't see anything.

I figured there was a film crew or something. No, that'd be hilarious, but, no, I couldn't see anything. And so all of those details that I saw when the eyeball was floating in the air next to me were all mapped in my brain. Right. You know, they say that you're amazing how you have the ability to reconstruct the room around you. Yes. You know, and the ones I have is where I'll constantly be, it's like I can't wake up. Yeah.

I feel like there's somebody in the house and like an intruder. Yeah. And I cannot wake up. And I'm in my bed. But the question is, am I sleeping? Am I dreaming this? Or am I really trying to wake up and I can't? All of the above are true.

What's happening is is that when you are in REM sleep, there's a bunch of switches that have to be thrown. Okay. And one of the switches is, okay, we've got to paralyze the body so that the person isn't running around, jumping around, doing things. and we have to turn their consciousness off so that they can just be asleep. And there's other switches that have to be tossed. And if any of those don't get thrown properly, weird things happen.

So if you don't get the paralysis 100%, what you have is a somnambulist, somebody that's sleepwalks. My wife does that and my oldest kid does that. Just walking around. Liam, you ever seen paranormal activity? Liam used to get out of bed and just stand over our bed and just stand there. Like, dude, that's creepy as fuck.

You know? Yeah. That would terrify me. I know it was terrible. You're just standing there. Is there anything wrong or waking them up from that? No, nothing. You can wake them up.

It's fine. And most of the time you can just say, Liam, just go back to bed. And they'd just go back to bed. Tacey one time got up and was, I wish she were here. I don't think she'd mind me telling this story. But she got out of bed and was getting. ready to walk out of our hotel room with

Sons clothing, right? And she was just going to walk right out the hotel room. And thank God I woke up. And I went, I said, stop. And she stopped. And I said, take six steps backward. And she took six steps backward. I said, turn around.

And I was just guiding her. And she did all these things. It was like an automaton or something. Finally got her back to the bed. And I just said, get back in bed and go to sleep. and that worked but anyway yeah

I've always heard that you can't dream of your death that's bullshit I've dreamed that I died I fell out of an airplane and I hit the ground and I died in that dream and I didn't die I had a dream that I got shot

and I just I wouldn't die and there was this voice that kept just saying just die wow you're you're dying you got shot

you got shot just die yeah but I never did have you ever been underwater and you say I'm going to drown and then you start breathing and go, wait a minute, I didn't know I could breathe underwater. Have you ever had that one, Scott? No. I don't. I've had dreams I could fly. Yeah. Until you have to

and then you can't fly anymore. I used to have those as a kid that I could just run and just jump and just glide. Yeah, yeah. Me too. Me too. I remember Anthony Akumia talking about dreaming as a, about girls and stuff, but it was always, they had to be tiny little girls he wanted to pick them and put them in his mouth.

And that's all he wanted to do, just hold him in his mouth, letting back out. I don't remember that one. Well, one thing I was going to tell Adam is when you feel like there's an intruder in your house. So we got to the somnambulist, but we didn't talk about these sleep paralysis episode. So that's where you wake up, but you're still paralyzed. But you're still in REM state. But you're aware of the fact that you're awake. So this is what I'm going, if this happens to you a bunch, this is your gateway to true lucid dreaming.

If you're a person that has hip-hopic episodes, those you can control because you are completely awake during that. So instead of an intruder, think of, you know, on late-night booty call and see if you can't control that or something else that appeals to you. You know, I would think of Moog synthesizers. I think a good indicator. One thing I've noticed that's been a good indicator for those is, you know, you keep dreaming that you're waking up, but you can't wake up. and the room is dark and then when you really wake up the sun is pouring in the room because you know

it's 8 or whatever 8 o'clock in the morning and so you're like oh or just the opposite for me I'll dream that the room is light and then when I wake up it's dark so so try that next time you have hypnopopic episode

instead of being worried about an intruder in the house see if you can't change it because the last time I had one and this was absolutely the last time it ever happened to me. I said, I'm going to sit up and I willed myself to sit up, except I didn't exert any muscle force. I just kind of levitated up. And then when I looked over to the left, I saw a gurney. And I knew that that was because the grays had brought it and they were going to take me to their ship. And I went, this is stupid. Boom. I just woke up. And I was laying down. I never did

actually sit up. But you can control that. And that was fun. me. Once I realized what hypnipopic episodes were, I had a little bit of measure of control, but I don't have them often enough to be able to really use that as a laboratory. I can remember back in the 80s, you know, that was, it was some movie was based off of, but an out-of-body experience. And then there were a whole bunch of us, and everybody was just trying to see if you could have an out-of-body experience in your dream. So you're sitting, you're in the corner, looking down to see if you could see yourself in your dream. They did a study on people with near-death experience in the operating room.

What they did was they had all these people saying, I floated above my body and I could see them working on me. Yes. I was floating from the ceiling. So what these guys did, it was brilliant, was they took a light like our clock up there. It was, you know, with the big lit up letters, and they put a message on it. And if you were floating up there, you could see. see that. It would be totally obvious.

And so the next like 20 times that people said they had this perception that they were floating, they said, did you see any messages? Right. Anything like that? And zero percent of people got it right. You know, it looks like with all the modern mess,

and especially the anesthesia nowadays, that would be an easy experiment to recreate. Yeah, yeah. Well, this wasn't that long ago. Yeah, I'm a personal profile and see what you can read. Yeah, yeah, exactly. This isn't really so much down the subject of what we're talking about, but I had an episode recently where I had eaten something. I won't name the place because I don't want to get in trouble, but I'd eat something in a restaurant, which is fine. And in a dream, I was nauseous.

And when I woke up, I wasn't. And I thought, you know, and when you're coming from sleep to wake, usually like a. especially if you're sleeping and you're having the stomach flu or something. You're like, oh, this is going to suck. And when I woke up, it was gone. That's weird. I thought that was really odd. Yeah, that's a weird one.

That's almost opposite. Whatever you were to aspirate in your sleep. Yeah, no, yeah. Because your rim is so deep that you don't wake up from it. Yeah, but that's the thing. We don't dream like that. There are, in the science fiction literature, there are aliens that when they sleep, you can't, they can't be woken up, and they're very vulnerable.

We had to be worried about saber-tooth tigers coming in our cave and stuff, and so our brain sleeps with a metaphoric one-eye open because, you know, if somebody calls your name or your beeper goes off, right, 99% of the time you'll wake up and be appropriate. Now, there are certain points of the sleep cycle that if my beeper goes off, I have answered the phone and given orders and stuff from what I understand, And they were totally appropriate, but I don't have any recollection of it. That's scary.

What is it that when you wake up, and I've always assumed it's because you're being pulled out of a different state of REM sleep. Yeah. But where I'll have one, something like maybe once or twice a month where I'll wake up. And I am confused for, I don't know, I don't feel right for maybe, you know, like 20, 30 minutes. You feel like you're still just kind of groggy. but you know and it's always when you're coming out of like a really intense dream hmm yeah i haven't experienced that one i know if it's just it's just like someone yanked you out of it and you're still confused you don't know what's real and what's not i mean you're

walking around but you feel out of it if you chase that one down the google rabbit hole it'll just tell you you you have cancer so i don't know the answer to that one yeah that's what everything says you've got cancer or h i mean you stimulated hell 31 minutes a conversation man I'm glad that you contacted me today, and it was really, I enjoyed it. I don't know if anybody else did, but we had fun. Scott didn't seem. You were awfully quiet during that, Scott. You don't have any, the hippie doesn't have anything to say about dream states and stuff.

What the hell, dude? Well, I do, but I don't know. I didn't think, I was having a hard time fitting into the conversation. I, no, and I say that because I get kind of like that, where I feel like I'm in a parallel world. so I can actually see myself doing while I'm sleeping almost exactly what I'm doing in the real this life

with other people. Really? It's a most bizarre thing. Oh, like a parallel universe? Exactly. And you've done this thing but you're seeing it and it's the same thing.

Same thing, but it's with different people and stuff. That's weird. It's like literally and literally I haven't heard of that one. It's the most bizarre thing. I used to have real boring dreams

if I was sick, like a fever dream or if I had a puk bug, I would have dreams that we were wrapping a Christmas presents, and it would just go on and on and on, and then I'd wake up and puke. Oh, Jesus. Just killing time. It was terrible. Yeah, it was awful, just terrible, that boring dreams. I had one when I was little, that it was Easter, and I got up when I was a kid,

and you know how you always thought the Easter bunny hit the eggs while you were asleep? Yeah. And it was a terrifying nightmare because I got up and I had to go to the bathroom. and it was in my house, and I swear it was real, go to the bathroom, and I'd come out, and the Easter button is standing there, but he has fangs, and he just says, go to bed. Oh, no. And I asked my mom about it when I woke up, I said, why was the Easter bunny in our house? And she just said, you were drinking.

But I would swear to this day that it was real. Well, you know, our brains, if it was watching some scary movie. If our brains wanted to be more malicious, it could, it could throw nightmares at us every night. I always wonder why I don't have more nightmares than I do. My nightmares these days consist of me murdering somebody and getting away with it. And then everybody's treating me like I'm, you know, normal Dr. Steve, but I have this deep, dark secret, you know. And that just really picks me out. And then I'll wake up and go, thank God that was a dream.

Or I'll dream that I smoked two packs of cigarettes and forgot that I'd go, God, I forgot I don't smoke anymore. Oh, my God, yeah. That's always good to wake up and go, thank God. Yes, all that shit, yeah. Go, Adam. So what are your two? I'll have dreams that I need help and I can't talk. Yes.

Yeah. Like you can't get the breath out of your lungs to say anything, and you're just, you know. And the other one is I'll have a dream where I've quit my job and I've sold my house and I decided I'm going to go do something else. And then I get there and I go, I really regret to it. And then you wake up and that's another thing, God. My kid dreams that he forgets to go to class. I dreamt that I forgot to go to class in college. What I dream now is that I had a patient in the hospital.

I forgot to make rounds on them for two weeks. They've just been laying there. Scott, what else you got? The same thing. I had it for years that I would come in on Monday mornings. I dreamed this on Sunday nights. I come in on Monday morning. I have all of my exam rooms full, all the patients when they're still in

needles in them but they're all dead and they'd already turned to ashes oh my god where i'd forgotten them on friday you know and i'm yelling in the middle of my dream going oh yeah the fucking do was get up all you got those pull it did you didn't have to die i'm yelling at these dead people i'm like oh man yeah that's a thank god i woke up bizarre question i started taking turmeric sure just trying to give something else you know sugar levels and everything if this isn't dream or like, I'm going to let Adam go. It was great dreams. Oh, okay.

Great dreams were about four or five nights. Wow. And then I guess I got used to it or whatever. And then, you know, after that, I didn't have him. Is there anything in traditional Chinese medicine that is related to dreams? In other words, something that maybe stimulates dreams. I would imagine, particularly 4,000 years ago, that people would have been fascinated by this whole idea of this dichotomy between the waking and dreaming world.

Yeah, and it starts with mushroom. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay, fair enough. Yeah, true. No, you know, different types of mushrooms. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Silocybin.

They have psilocybin mushroom. Oh, I guess they're everywhere, right? Yeah, yeah. Probably a lot of these experiments were done on prisoners and things like that. around for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. And they experimented on them. Oh,

literally, that's what they did. I guess medical ethics wasn't really good. There were no ethics. And that's how they started doing autopsies and stuff. We're on prisoners that died. And the hell they didn't have any.

It's like, well, we don't care what. Michelangelo was, did autopsies. He, you know, paid to get dead bodies so that he could cut them up and see what was going on inside so he could better draw and paint, you know, the human body.

He wanted to know what was in there. Well, that's how the Chinese originally kind of decided how a lot of the organs in the flow of the organ systems. So even though they didn't have, obviously, the other scientific techniques we had today, they could at least contract, you know, run a tube down the mouth and winds up in the stomach and then goes to the colon and out the pooper.

Well, I guess it's all connected, you know. And that's something. And that's why a lot of the stuff in Chinese medicine has relations, organs have relationships that are unique to Chinese medicine, but not Western medicine. Yeah. You know, like the spleen helping with digestion

is a big thing in Chinese medicine. Right. Yeah. Interesting. Big difference. Interesting. All right. Well, shit, probably ought to answer a couple of medical questions today.

Hey, Adam, thank you very much, man. I was good talking to you. I'll talk about dreams anytime. Uh-oh. See, Adam. I had fun. Thank you. All right, man.

We'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Adam, everybody. Yay. He's a good failure. Good failure. I can't get this call to drop. There you goes.

Okay, there goes Adam. All right. Very good. Don't forget to check out Dr. Scott's Web. website at simplyerbils.net. That's simplyerbils.net. I'm still getting complaints that you don't have anything on there. It's costing me a fortune.

People really want the nasal spray. Well, so. My, my, my, should we do something different? Yeah. Do you want to, can you get the nasal spray? And then we'll just, hell, we'll just promo it on the podcast and on our Dr. Steve website. I'll be happy to do that. Yeah, and I just hate for them to have to contact you first when I could just come.

Well, they could just, no, we could just do a link on our website. Oh, okay, yeah. That would just go straight to you. Yep, we could do that. Yeah, because we do have some at the office. Because your concern is, what, the website costs a lot of money? No, no, no, no, no, it's not that it's my dumb ass. It's in charge of putting the nasal spray back on the website.

Still hasn't done it yet. Oh, dude. It takes two seconds. It takes me literally two seconds to do it. Let's just do it on ours, then. So you have the product. Yeah, yeah, I haven't, yeah. Okay.

So. And now is tis the season. Okay. Well, I got to be careful about it. This isn't supposed to be an ad for that, but I'll get on that. Yeah, yeah. People can check, go to Dr. Steve.com if they want to check something out. All right, let's, I've got a question for Dr. Scott here.

Oh, first thing, though. Wait, first things first. Hey, this is Peace from Oregon. Okay, man. Oh, Dr. Steve. Hey, man. Hey, hang on a second. I got to do some business first.

Give yourself a bill. Well, wrong one. Number one thing. There we go. Don't take advice. from some asshole on the radio. There we do. How are you? Hey, we're good, man. How are you?

And I take it the lovely and talented Tacey and your family are doing this well. They are very well. Thank you very much. Oh, that's fantastic. This question is actually for Dr. Scott. Okay. Given the likelihood that the virus that caused COVID-19, the pandemic, likely originated from the Wuhan Institute of Viralogy. Okay.

Allegedly, we'll just say that. Suggesting anything nefarious in that regard. However, could there be an alternative source, namely the role of the bat and the pangolin as being host for the virus and the roles of these two creatures in the traditional Chinese medicine apothecary? Oh, is that right? I'm curious, and I'll take your answer off the year. Okay, thanks, man. So the pangolin, is there a role for that in traditional Chinese medicine? No.

Okay. No. But bat, yes, though, right? Or no? No, not here. It may be there, but I can't speak to there, but I can tell you as far as in the United States, we're really, really regulated on what we can use as herbal medicines. For instance, it still drives me crazy that we can't use.

Afedra. Afedra, yeah, Mawangip, Aphedra, which is, you know, very safe and low doses for asthma, but those geniuses put a ton of in there for weight loss. It was making them. Ruin it for everybody. And I get it. It's just like a lot of pain medicines. It can be wonderful for some people, but, you know.

But anyway, so my answer is going to be no, because we are really, really regulated on what we do. And we don't use rodinoceros horns, and we don't use. Oh, man, I had like five pounds in the trunk of the car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks, Dave. But, you know, we do, but we still do use a lot of flying squirrel feces, so you never know. That is interesting. It's crazy that you're regulated. You can't use bats, but you can use flying squirrel fecal matter.

As long as it's dried, I think it's okay. Just tried. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Another press. Whose job is it to collect it? No, my God. What about, I've been meaning to ask you this one, apple cider vinegar.

Is there any benefits to doing vinegar other than just trying to, your respiratory, trying to breathe after you do it? I think if you'll mix apple cider vinegar with garlic and honey. Then you won't have any friends to talk to. You won't have any friends and you'll be virus-free. There you go. Okay, whatever. No, but I think certainly there's a lot of research back and forth in arguments. You know, I think if you do it in low doses, it's probably got some health benefits for sure.

Like what? It'll acidify your urine because you're taking in an acid and your acid-based balance is very closely maintained by the body. So any excess acid you take out in will go out in your urine. And there are some kidney stones that will not form in the presence of an acidic urine. So that's one thing that I can think of. A lot of this other stuff sounds like horse hockey to me. Agreed. Yeah, and I'm not saying there's a lot, but I'm saying,

but they're saying, you know, some of the apple cider vinegar is if you have the mother in it, then maybe there is some robotics, some probiotics. Oh, oh, oh. So in other words, if it's rotten and not or not pasteurized. Right. No, that's right. If you're going to, listen, if you're going to do cultures and stuff, I wouldn't, I mean, apple, apple juice that ferments becomes apple wine, apple cider vinegar that ferments. I don't know what the hell happens there, but, you know, you're going.

Pretty caustic. It's acetic acid. That's pretty caustic. And what happens? I don't know, but it can't be, I can't imagine it's that great for you. But, you know, if you want to do a probiotic or say, go to Cultures for Health.com. There's a lot of the other great options. I'm making my own crem fresh.

I know that just sounds so snooty. But, you know, for the people who don't know what crem fresh is, it's used in a lot of cooking, particularly French cooking, but it's a milk product that when you add it to something, it won't break in the heat. It won't separate. And it's like something between heavy cream and sour cream, buttermilk. It's in there, but it's way more.

Curdy. But it's very, you can dip fruit in it, and it would be good. Right. Okay, which you wouldn't do with salad. Almost like a really soft cheese kind of. Kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of, kind of sort.

Like a brie, kind of. But it is cultured. Yeah. And I've been making it. You get a little packet of the stuff. You can use buttermilk, too. Listen, you want to make your own crumb fresh. This has been a horse shit show as far as answering questions.

So what the, I'm going to answer a question you didn't ask. Let's run under the weeds. Yeah, I'm going to answer a question you didn't ask. You want to make crem fresh. Take a quart or a half a quart, which would be a pint, right? Yeah. Pints pound the world around. Yeah, so 16 ounces would be 32 ounces. 16 to 32 ounces.

So for every 16 ounces of heavy whipping cream, and it can be ultra-pasteurized, don't let the snobs tell you that it can't be. You add one tablespoon of buttermilk. This is one way to do it. And then you mix it up, and at room temperature, let it sit out for 24 hours. And when you see it thicken, you can just let it sit out as long as you want. It'll get thicker and thicker. Just put it in the refrigerator, and then you can use it.

You think, ugh, it sounds like it's just going to make buttermilk. It doesn't. It makes crem fresh. Now, or you can go to Cultures for Life. They're not an advertiser. It's just a place that I go. And you get these little packets. You heat up the heavy cream to 86 degrees in the microwave.

Good to have a thermometer to do that. You don't want hotter in that because it'll kill the bacteria. Right. And then you mix it up, sit it out again for 12 to 24 hours, and then put it in the refrigerator. And this will change your life if you like to cook. I'm just telling you right now, crem fresh. If you don't know what it is, look it up.

It is one of the greatest tools that you can have for making really rich things that are not, you know, too crazy. So when I make soup for a tastey, I'll put a couple tablespoons in there and it turns whatever soup I'm making into cream of whatever soup, you know. So anyway, all right. It's good, though. Kiss my ass. You know what they, you know what, you know what, you know what, you know what, um, buttermilk is translated into in French, don't you?

No. Oh, okay. Uh, crem fresh. Oh, okay. Is it? Oh, no. It's not. Yeah, you're talking about people learning different language.

No, this stuff is thick. Go ahead. I was talking about people are in different languages. My father-in-law used to be amazed at children that were born in France. Yeah, speak French. Yeah, they were speech more. How do they learn French? Yeah.

They can talk. They can talk out of their language. I love it. All right, let's see here. Howdy? Howdy. Howdy? Howdy.

Howdy? Call her all the way from the greatest state in the union. Texas? Texas. Oh, anyway. Give myself one of these. Give yourself a bill. We all know those are boner drugs.

What's the danger in taking those? And what is the, like, what is too much? How many milligrams should you not take? Okay. So, boner drugs. We only have a, a couple of minutes left. We're talking for the purposes of this.

We'll talk, you know, sylennephyl, tadalphil, that's, you know, CELS-VIAGRA and that stuff. These are drugs that they're called phosphodiasterase, five inhibitors, and what they do is increase the amount of nitric oxide in your bloodstream. And one of the benefits to nitric oxide is

it will decrease your blood pressure, but also it's a vasodilator, so it'll open up blood flow to the penis. when it's requested and we'll give you a big, meaty, you know, erection looking like a ballpark, Frank, and a microwave. That's not my line. It's from some comedian, but it's very apt.

It would give you a boner so hard a cat can't scratch it. That's the other, that's sort of a Tennessee afferism. So now the down, oh, that's Tacey. Let's put her on the air. I'll tell you what the downsides are. Ah, just go look it up. Hang on a second. Headaches.

Daisy, you're on weird medicine. Oh, hey, let me tell you something. Yep. If a valet asks you if you need help taking your stuff to a room, uh-oh. Always, yes. Always yes. Okay, because you got lucky?

No, because I ran around for 20 minutes trying to find my way of around this place oh okay oh okay cool yeah well excellent well listen we're just wrapping up i'll call you in about five minutes okay all right tacy everybody jacy yeah full of wisdom and insight so one time that she didn't just hang up when i said hey you're on weird medicine because remember a year ago she used to call she was out working and then she would call and somehow forget that we were always recording on Wednesday at 3.30 and then she would get mad and hang up.

But now she's been on the show for the last year. Yeah, she's a believer. Well, she's part of it now. And I miss having her here, to be honest with you, it's going to be a while before Tacey's going to be back on the show because of her new work schedule, because she's back out in the field. But anyway, yeah, headaches changes in vision.

It can change the way that the retina actually gets its blood flow and can cause some problems. Priapism, that's one where you get an erection that won't go away. If you get an erection that lasts more than four hours, it becomes extremely painful and can cause some significant long-term problems with your future erections, so you want to go straight to the emergency room if that happens. Sudafird. And that's right.

And the other thing is that if you're taking certain drugs, it can drop your blood pressure so much. much that can decrease the blood flow to the heart and can cause some problems there. And those most of the time are going to be nitrates, like if you're taking nitric glycerin for congestive heart failure or for angina, you know, heart pain. So, and what's the maximum dose? Whatever your provider prescribes for you. Right.

That's the maximum dose. Don't take more of that. What's in a bottle? And if you talk to them and you need a little bit more, that's fine. Talk to them about it. But let them drive that bus. Okay. I'm about saying mine is 24 hours after taking one.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to have a heart attack. Really? Why is that? I get, I mean, chest, my chest literally hurts. Oh, really? Yes. So, yeah, as much as it would be fun to play with that stuff, it's, I've tried it twice and both times I was pretty sure.

Well, then you would be a candidate for injecting Alprosstadil. Mald into your penis instead of. Let me think. Stab it with a needle. Yes. Now, you've tried the muse thing. before, right? Yeah.

Did that work for you? Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's just the same. That's the same thing. It's just an expensive way of injecting alprostodil into the base of your penis. Maybe we need to talk about this next time because I just threw that out there and now people are going, what the hell? So we'll, uh, well, maybe we'll talk about that next time.

All right. I guess that'll do it for today. Stacey, you got anything else? Oh, really? All right. Scott? Oh, my God. No.

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