Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 457 - mRNA Madness

Episode Date: June 3, 2021

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I don't know, but if it would give me just a little time, I'll think of something stupid. Well, I don't think Simply Irbles was stupid. I know people are getting sick of me starting the show with this every time, but just fascinating to me because it was such a good idea. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, but it just was, I'm ready to do something new. Yeah. All right.

I was waiting for somebody to buy it for a ton of money. Then you and I could do our traveling road show. What we need to do is open a damn marijuana dispensary, except it's not legal here. So that would probably get us in trouble. Yeah, you know, a little bit. Yeah, who gives a shit. Two old men end up in jail.

jail. Hey, so I am on Cameo now. Oh, cool. And we got a cameo request. And I thought maybe we could

just do it on the air because this person didn't actually ask me to say anything. Okay. And I thought we could do it from here and maybe there'd be something cool there. But you can go to cameo.com slash weird medicine. I'm cheap.

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Both podcasts and, you see, I can't shit on the guy. No, I can't in the came, you know. Dad and I, for 15 years, have season tickets to the Balt, oh, to Baltimore Orioles, yeah. Oh, cool. And on our drive back home,

we always listen to Weird Medicine. So I cannot crap on old Jeff for his grammar on cameo, though, it doesn't really matter. If you ever watch any of these reality shows, they'll say, like, the person is trying to say Madison's and my relationship, but they'll say Madison and I's relationship. That drives me absolutely, and I'm screaming at the TV. I just want to talk about Caitlin and I's relationship. Oh, so anyway.

It is annoying, yeah. Well, that's okay. Jeff can say him and I, it's fine. Okay, so you want to do this thing? Sure. All right, here we go. Well, maybe I should put the music on, too. Oh, this is fascinating for the listeners, I'm sure.

But show you the quality of the really awesome things that we do on her cameo. There we go. Two, three, two, one. Hello, Bill. Hello, Bill, I hear you're turning the big six zero and your son, Jeff, for the last 15 years, I've had season tickets to the Baltimore Orioles. And on your drive back home, you've been listening to Weird Medicine. What's wrong with you, people?

You are weird. And Dr. Scott wants to say hello. We are actually taping this show. Hey, guys, how's it going? Matter of fact, you can hear your cameo. This is the worst cameo I've ever done. Look at the turkey neck. oh god i have to hold my head up like this you've got a triple chin and then what's oh what in the

hell with the teeth and the hair and yeah i've got a at least your nose hairs are at least at least his nose hairs aren't as long as usual yeah hey and those those oriels they're going to have to pick it up this year you think so dead last brother yeah they're going to step it up well how many touchdowns did they get exactly all right listen happy birthday bill i turned 60 and now i'm 65 it's not so bad we're going to die soon but it's Don't worry about it. It's okay. All right.

See you guys. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. All right. Hello, Bill. Oh, oh. Bill. I'm just going to upload that.

There you go. Okay. Perfect. So there you go. Let's give you an example of the scintillating content you'll get if you go to my cameo. But remember, it's cheap. It is cheap. But captivating.

All right. What do you got? Anything? You got nothing? You want to just do a bunch of phone calls? Yeah, we do some phone calls. Okay. We were only six minutes in.

It's probably good, but just do a crap load of phone calls. Number one thing, don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. Thank you, sir. That just couldn't be more true. All right. Let's try this one. Hey, Doc. This is Zach from Oakey City.

Hey, Zach. We would just like an answer to something that's going on with my wife. Okay. She's had a terrible time with this. We don't have to be put on the air if you don't have the time. but if you could text this back for response, I appreciate it. My wife is having a very bad skin condition. Okay.

Started out as thinking it might be psoriasis. She has horrible rash and stuff on her legs the most, and her scalp is pretty bad. The rest of her body just has spotty red spots. Like what? Wait, what did she say? She went to a doctor. They said all that looks. She said something crucial there, and I couldn't hear what she said. It sounded like she said like athletes' foot, but I'm not sure.

Let's go back and see, because this is going to be an interesting. The respher body just has spotty red spot. Like what? It wasn't athletes. One more time, yeah. Okay. Let's see. The respher body just has spotty red spot.

Right, athlete. Yes. Okay, I can't get it. I can't get it. Not nothing. You know what? This isn't 1950. The spouse can, the wife can speak for herself.

Have you ever watched Mad Men? Oh, it's so awful. There's a scene where I think she's got breast cancer. And it's January Jones, who, by the way, is hilarious on Last Man on Earth, but she played a very serious role on that. And the doctor is just talking to her husband doesn't even talk to her. She's in, you know, over in the, just, that show is great for how much shit has changed in, you know, 50 years or what, 70 years now. Golly, you know, drinking at work, boning your secretary work, getting them pregnant, and then, you know, just ignoring them, you know, just smoking.

Oh, I know, nonstop smoking. But then little things like that where the oncologist is just talking to the husband, and she's just sitting in the corner looking at the wall. It's awful. As though she's not even there. It's not even her disease. I know. I love January Jones, though. You know who she is?

Yeah, she's cute. Where do you know her from? Mad Men. Oh, from Mad Men. Yeah, man, man, man. All right. Well, last man on earth, she was brilliant. To me, she, yeah, besides Orville Willis I,

she was my favorite person on there. She went to a doctor. They said, oh, that looks like psorias. So she went to a dermatologist, and they took the skin samples. And they were like, oh, that looks like psoriasis. We'll take skin samples. and the skin samples came back as eczema. Okay.

They took two separate ones as eczema. So she was trying to get into another dermatologist, and there was some mix up, and she couldn't get, you know, the medicine she needed or whatever, and they sent her to this other doctor who she's having to start all over again, and they look at it, and, of course, they're like, oh, that's eczema. And she's like, no, I've taken two tests that says, or do they say it's cirrhosis. And she says, no, I've taken two tests, and they said it's eczema. Exxema. Can you please help me? And they're like, well, it looks like psoriasis. And I don't understand why these, I mean, the doctors aren't, they're not believing their own test.

Right, right, right. Well, because they didn't do it. The second one didn't do the test. So you tend to believe the test that you do. Right. Right. So we can. I just need some advice on what you think might, what might be going on. You know, why would everyone say it's psoriasis? You know, I mean, it does, I guess it looks like syriasis. It's not very rough, though. It's. It looks. It looks like psoriasis to people who don't know what psoriasis looks like, but it sounded like one of these people was a dermatologist, but they're the ones that did the biopsy and said it was eczema. Right. So you can get adult onset atopic dermatitis. That's what adult onset eczema is. I like the term atopic dermatitis better than eczema. And the peak time for developing that is right around in your 50s.

And he didn't say how old she is. Now, some people have it as an adult, had it as a child. You can go away and then come back. And, you know, it is different for adults. So this is sort of an allergic dermatitis. And in adults, the skin is more dry and scaly, which would make you look at it and say, oh, that might be psoriasis. You know, that's why they're saying that.

And if you've had it for a long time, it can get really thick and leathery, and then that makes it even look more like psoriasis. Now, the adults tend to get it in different parts of their bodies. You get at the backs of the knees, crooks of the elbows, the back of the neck and the face. Now, where did he say? All of those places, yeah, I think so, for the most part. Adults can get it around their eyes, too.

So, you know, getting the diagnosis is key. So what they're doing is right is trying to get a diagnosis. But they've had two biopsies that it was eczema. It's pretty much eczema. but there are different kinds of eczema. There's one called numular eczema. There's another one called neuradermatitis and another one just plain old contact dermatitis.

And the numular eczema, the reason they call it that is numula, I guess, is the word for coin in Latin. You could be looking that up. But they get these little coin like round, itchy spots on the hands, forearms, and the lower legs particularly. But let's see. Let's let him finish what he was saying.

It's this bad red blotch. If it gets dry, it does get a little flaky, but you put lotion on, it gets really smooth, it's just really red. That's not serenosis. So we would appreciate

any response. Did you have anything to add, honey? I went to get some labs done and the guy was going over the lap with me. He said that there wasn't anything that screened, but overall it just looked like my system was just really overrun, basically, and said that my adrenals were really overworked. What?

But my inflammation panel comes back somewhat normal, which is so stupid, because you would think my inflammation would be ridiculous. And then he looked at my face, and he was like, well, I think you have cutaneous lupus. So I went to a ruma, whatever, they're called rheumatologist or whatever, and they looked at it and I was, well, that's psoriasis. That's not cutaneous lupus. So I just feel like I've been in this circle of doctors for about three years. Yeah, I don't blame her.

There are tests for lupus. You could do tests for that. There are blood tests for that. And they should do those because you don't want to miss that as a diagnosis. But for people who have eczema, look, let the rheumatologist rule out lupus. Now that the specter has been raised, you need to rule it out. And we're going to let those two biopsies stand. And then the thing to do is treat them.

like it's eczema and if it goes away then that's what it by God is and even if it's not it goes away yeah well that's true that's true that's true even if it's psorices it goes away that's true because the treatments are very similar but there is a new treatment for eczema and it's called dupilumab or dupilomab it's probably duplomab it is a monoclonal antibody that is specific for moderate to severe atopic dermatitis. And if you have it and nothing else works, this stuff will kick its ass. Now, it is a monoclonal antibody, so there are some downsides to it, you know, as there are with all of these monoclonal antibodies, just because you're introducing an immune molecule

into your body that, you know, one that your body didn't produce. And, you know, if it attacks something else, then it's, you know, it's a problem. But so this is a last resort. It's crazy expensive, but your insurance should pay for it if you've failed everything else. But I would let the rheumatologist or your primary care can do a panel for lupus. It's easy. Hell, everybody knows how to diagnose it. You don't diagnose it by looking at it.

Yeah. Can I add if they want to, if they can contact me through you? Yeah. Maybe I can turn them on someone that practices authentic Chinese medicine in their area because there are some old Chinese herbs that actually do work for these skin to conditions. So they work really well. Yeah, sure. It's fine.

I mean, Western medicine has obviously failed them. Yep, yep. So what the hell? That's where we talked about that last week and other weeks that when Western medicine failed, I'd send them to Scott. And he'd always make them feel better. So I think that's fine. And we've got some good old herbs. I mean, they really do work.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Well, might not cure it, but at least make her feel a whole little bit. Feel free to email us and let us know where this goes, because I'm going to be very interested in the next steps on this. And I'm sorry you got the run around. And most physicians' microscopic X-ray vision is really shitty. And so there are some things that you can diagnose just by looking at them.

But even those, I'm thinking, I'm looking at you, Tinia VersaColor, even those we, you know, do the scraping and put it under the K-O-H. Just in case. But potassium. Well, to confirm the diagnosis. Sure, exactly. The visual thing is kind of a screening test, and then the follow-up test is more specific, and that's the way that you diagnose a lot of things. But you don't diagnose lupus by looking at it. No.

No. Although I did have a patient. But you can be a patient. I had this patient. I had this weird dermatitis, and I couldn't figure out what it was, and it turned out it was a thing called Porphyria-Cutania Tarta, right? So, and this was 35 years ago when I was in residency, and I had messed with it, messed with it, couldn't figure it out,

and then a gastroenterologist diagnosed it because it's a sign of liver disease, often cirrhosis. Well, I had another person many years later, come in with the same thing. And I said, we've got cutaneous, you know, porphyria, catania tartar, and I sent him to the gastroenterologist who was a friend of my. He said, you can't diagnose

just by looking at it. And I said, no, I can't. He said, no, you cannot. He sent him back to me, so I sent off some blood work and, you know, confirmed the diagnosis, and I circled it, and I went consistent with, you know,

porphyria cutania tartum. big letters and underlined it multiple times and said it back to him. He was impressed. I love it. No patient health identifying information in that story because only the gastroenterologist saw that note. Anyway, all right. Well, good luck, guys.

Yeah. Hopefully she gets something soon. Yeah, absolutely. Now, it doesn't look like we have a Stacey Deloche call this time, but we decided that Stacey needed a theme song. Now, if you all come up with a theme song for him and send it to us in a decent form, we might, might, this isn't a contest, but we might send you something, maybe. Maybe.

Probably some simply herbal crap he's got in a corner, but we might send you something, but we'll certainly talk about it a lot. But Dr. Scott did one, and we were going to do one together, and he was going to do one, and I was going to do one, and I really, I only had, like, shit to bed. Well, I waited until the last minute. I did my show prep for that, like Dr. Scott does show prep for this show, where he shows up and then opens up the computer and starts looking for things.

Yes, two computers actually at the same time. That's true now. So, but here's Dr. Scott's Stacey Deloge jingle. See the Stacey Deloche is a good old guy See now you're already lying And the intro is way too long for a jingle That we would play, you know, before one of his things

He's got a lot of thoughts that he pulls from the sky He's a cop, he's a captain He's an entrepreneur His questions range from tough to profoundly demure Now what did that say? To profoundly demure Tough to demure. Oh, okay.

With demure. You were supposed to. When you're demuring. No, I can, this is my show. I can, I can shit on your song. That is true. And you can shit on mine, too, when I ever do one. But that's not what the, I think you're using that word wrong.

You do not. When you demure, you're saying. It means it's not, it's soft, it's gentle. It's not, it's, um. Doesn't that mean, okay. You don't, you don't believe this word is, means what I think this word means. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. echo define demure

the adjective demure is usually defined as characterized by shyness and modesty reserved for more that's what I thought like if somebody's demure they're shy yeah so does that fit with that oh it does okay okay okay okay

you could have profoundly defunely I thought you're going to rhyme it with manure that was what I was looking for Keep on cruising, keep on calling And keep on keeping on This part It's more like a love song Yes, yes

Now this was a part You're supposed to help me with This is a whistling part You're supposed to do Okay, I'll do it There you go Okay, there you go All right.

All right. So we just did that as an example. So, yeah, so I did put one together that I think that you'll find, you know, very profound. Stacey Deloge. Has a pretty nice cock, and I think about it every day. Stacey Deloge. There's a mighty nice cock, and I'd like to ask it out to play. His glands are so luscious.

and huge he had his hand of four skin meat refined stacey deloche which has a pretty nice cock someday i'm gonna make it mine oh yeah someday i'm gonna make it mine so that was the old uh sam roberts song yeah all right i believe that second song had a little more um what's the nice would have put this computer um um um refinements in my oh you think it was more refined a little bit so anyway

Anyway, we need a 10-second Stacey Deloche thing that says everything about a guy that calls into a radio show way too much, but has really good questions. It's not like snowy or creamy butters or one of those guys. I mean, Stacey's got good content. Not that, you know, look, I don't even know snowy or creamy butter. So I'm just saying. All right. Very good. Yeah, Dr. Steve, this is Wade from Louisiana.

So back in 1996, I was working in Bosnia. It was 12 hours a day, seven days a week. I wore spilt-toed boots. One of my toenails fell off. And it didn't fall off due to trauma. It just came unstuck from the nail bed. What do you think called that? And could I force it to happen again?

Say you have an ingrown toenail? Could you do something to call that? your toenail to no longer stick to the nail bed and pop off. A new toe nail grew back in its place, no problems, that looked to form or anything. Just curious. Do you know the medical term for this? No.

Okay, it's onocolysis. Oh, I do know that. I said that. So onicolysis is a term for when you're the nail bed and the nails separate from each other. and once it separates, you can't get it to stick again, or it's very difficult. I actually got one to stick again after traumatic on a colitis, but it was separated for such a short period of time. It was, you know, somebody that had hit, got in their thumb with a circular saw and split it.

And then the nail bed, you know, separated. But it separated right down the middle, but then also separated. from the nail, the nail separated from the nail bed. And just for you medical students out there, the thing to do in that situation, as long as they didn't hit the bone and there's not risk for osteomyelitis and it's a clean wound, you know, you stitch the meat together, then take an 18-gauge needle, which has a razor-sharp edge on it on the bevel, and you twist it at an angle on either side of the wound to the bed, obviously, I skipped a step, numb the finger, the digit up first, okay, and prep it and all that stuff.

But you take it this and use it as a drill to drill down at an angle so that you can take a large semicircular needle and pass it in the hole on one side of the wound through the nail bed and then out the hole on the other side. And then there are a couple of different knots that you can use that will pull that together under tension and won't break. And I can teach those to you too. And when you do that, you can pull the whole thing together and the nail bed will grow back together

and the meat of the digit will grow back together. And when that nail finally grows out, it takes about a year. It'll be completely normal. Cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So anyway, so yes, so that's the only time I've been able to get an onycholytic nail to readhere. And the other thing that I did was I used a Lee Presson nail over it once I took the stitch out to keep that nail down and keep it together.

Okay, keep from curling. Yeah, keep it from popping. Yep, sure. But anyway, so once the nail separates, it will stay separated, and then the new nail normally will grow in. and you'll have a totally normal nail, which is what he said happened. Very often this will happen with tight shoes. So that could have been it?

Yeah. It actually, he said it wasn't any trauma. It wasn't any trauma he was aware of. I was just thinking, I wonder if he's a military and was wearing some combat boots. Well, that's what he said. He was wearing steel-toed boots. Okay, yeah.

Yeah, that makes sense. And so you can get it from nail fungus and stuff like that, but it didn't sound like that's what it was. And you can get it from nail polish. which I don't know who knows whatever wear it if you want but yeah so it's very likely it was the steel-toed boots that did it and he just had micro trauma over time and it just caused his nail to fall off it's too much too much too much too much wear and tear on that toenail that's right too much sounds good all right here we go hey dr steve this is Cameron and I let you an email and I'm going ask the question. My wife and I are considering taking the Pfizer shot today.

Good. I have many, many people who are super anti-vaxxers talking primarily around, you know, there's our DNA or RNA, whatever they call it, saying there's these proteins that are stimulated by 5G that if provoked can cause many different illnesses like heart disease, diabetes. can cause people to drop dead, basically I was told not to take this shot because if I take it's kind of a killer shot. The killer shot. There's all these conspiracy things out there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, never heard of that.

So we have, how many people have been vaccinated now? Can you look that up? It was 800 million. Eight hundred million. That was three weeks ago. I will look, yeah. I will certainly look. So, look, I have, if someone comes.

comes to me and says, I am concerned about antibody induced immune enhancement with this vaccine. I'm all with you. I understand your concern, and I'll talk about what that is in a second. But show me where this is a killer shot. We've vaccinated a billion people, and what we've seen is a decline in deaths, you know, significantly overall. I mean, our system, you know, it's, you know, it's, we're down to 50 patients, I think. Right. You know, and so we're seeing a decline in people being admitted who are in risk groups, 65 and older.

We're seeing a decline in people going to the hospital. We're seeing a decline in people dying. So, now, is every vaccine, let me put this way, is any vaccine perfectly safe? no no but you know you wear your seatbelt um to prevent the occasion of you being thrown from your car during a wreck and it there's no question that seatbelts prevent death but there is a one and a million chance that if you're wearing your seatbelt that will trap you in your car and you can't get out and that will cause you to die so would I I then say, well, because of the one in a million chance, I'm never going to wear my seatbelt.

No, I can't work it out that way. The benefit is far outweighed by the risk. And that's the case with this vaccine. Yeah, go ahead. In the world, there's approximately 2 billion people that have had a vaccine. Now it's 2 billion. Two billion in the world. That's a significant fraction of the world's population.

We've got 7 billion now. That's incredible. What's the world population? I don't know, but I can look it up. Echo, what's the world? population now here's something I found on the web

according to slideshare.net more than 3 billion people are expected to watch the World Cup in Brazil Echo stop well there you go echo what is the population of earth echo

what is the population of earth you asshole according to the U.S. Census Bureau the world population today is approximately 7.77 billion almost 8 Okay, Echo, thank you. So almost 8 billion people.

So we've vaccinated 25% of the world. This is incredible. It is incredible. You know what? Okay, so let's talk. Go ahead. No, no, you're going to say. No, I'm like, if there's a medical reason to not get your shots or something, this legitimate, I understand it.

But just don't go around telling people a bunch of crazy shit. Well, I get told I'm a shill for the vaccine company, but who is the one person that's railing against the Veracella vaccine? I mean, I see people railing against all these vaccines that actually do something. I don't ever see anybody railing against the varicilla vaccine except for me. And I'm not even railing against it. I just have concerns. It's because it's not as much fun. It's not as much fun.

It's not sexy. It's not sexy. It's right. But, yeah. So, yeah. Well, let's hear what else he has to say and see if we can answer something specific. I pretty much see the people who are anti-vaccers. There's a reason why they're anti-vaccers. But that's not a site story.

but I really just want to make sure that this thing is safe. I just keep sharing all these conflicting information. Yeah. Well, you've got to define safe. By safe, do you mean 100% safe and no adverse events? Then no. No. If that's your definition of safe, then it's not safe.

But show me something that is that. It is. Anything. Is drinking water 100% safe? No. I was going into sunshine 100% safe. Nothing is 100% safe, zero. And so you have to, how unsafe is it? So what's your risk?

What's the risk of having something bad happen to you? So you could say, well, if you're a woman aged 18 to 49 and you're going to do the viral vector vaccine, which was J&J or AstraZeneca, your risk appeared to be about one in a million over three months to have a three. a thrombosis in your brain and one of those people that that happened to that I'm aware of died and it may have been more than that but it was about one in a million of course you and I calculated the risk

of that happening in the general population and over a three month period it worked out to about one in a million because it was four in a million over a year so that may have not even been a thing so and yes and then

there are people that, oh, well, he took the vaccine the next day, he dropped dead. Well, it might have been a myocardial infarction. Could have been vaccine related? Probably not. If you have somebody that's going to die on Wednesday and they get the vaccine on Tuesday, that's going to be hard to convince anybody that the vaccine didn't kill them. That's correct. Yeah.

Can't argue that. Well, you can argue it, but it would be difficult. It's hard to accept when, you know, it's your loved one that it happened to. and you always want to have a reason for things because we don't like things that just happen for no reason. I agree. That bugs us. Yep, I agree.

You know, we can't control that. But anyway, okay, let's see what else he said. Being invoked by some radio frequency waves, kind of like a machine. What? Causing lots of problems. So if you have any science or anything to give us... Yeah, I got all kinds of science on that one.

That's horseshap. So let's just talk a little bit about... And just me saying it, that doesn't prove anything. But we do not have the technology to take Messenger RNA, which is just, you know, a sugar and some other little, you know, these other little molecules that are just clumped together in a string. And we don't have the technology to then make that somehow an radio frequency. initiated machine that's going to do something. We can't make transistors out of

MRNA. And you've got to have transistors to make a freaking radio or a tube or something if you're going to have it broadcast something. Now receiver, you only need a diode. So you may have made a crystal radio set back in the day.

And a crystal radio set used a little square of, was it gallium? one gallium. Oh, crap. What was it? Look up crystal radio. Well, you didn't see what the metal was. And you had a little whisker that you would put on it, and that created a diode, so that energy could only go in one direction. And when you do that, you can actually decode radio signals because they were amplitude modulated, and they would go up and down, up and down, and they could only go in one direction once they hit this thing, so you would only get the up part and the up part had different

amplitude and that you could turn that into audio. Terrible explanation of it but that's how that worked. But we don't have anything like that for transmitting and that would be the only there's no point in just having a receiver. You would have to have a transmit if you're going to track

somebody or you're going to activate this thing with radio waves. So let's talk just a little bit about what genes are and how they function and how MRNA works into this. So the genes in your DNA, which is deoxy ribonucleic acid, encode for protein molecules.

That's all they do. That's all DNA does. So to make an eyeball, you have to make proteins that comprise the eyeball, but you also have to make other proteins that construct the eyeball. And then you have to make proteins that can separate fluid from bone. blood so that you can fill the eyeball with fluid and all this stuff. You know, it's crazy, but it's all done in protein. And that's all DNA can encode for.

So when you have this dioxyribonucleic acid, it's sitting there encoding for all these proteins. Now, when you want to make one of those proteins, you have to unravel the DNA. And when you do that, there is this stuff called RNA polymerase. which then will read the DNA and make a strand of messenger RNA out of it. And what that messenger RNA is going to do is take this signal

of, you know, the encoded gene in the DNA and take it out into the cell and say this is the order from the boss and this is how you make the protein. And each three you know, each group of three sugars will code for a different amino acid. Okay. All right?

So you've got four of them, and so you can combine them, you know, UU, U-U-C-U, U-A-U, U-G-U, like that, okay? And so there's a whole bunch of combinations that you can make using four nucleotides. Now, and there's a bunch of amino acids. So each one of these groups of three will code for a different amino acid. Now, the messenger RNA takes this signal or this information, these set of instructions from the DNA, and takes it out into the cells where they will then be processed by another type of RNA called ribosome. It's a big protein machines. These are machines.

The body knows how to make machines. We don't. Yeah. And these machines will allow the MRNA to enter in one end, and then it will start to process it and move it forward. And it will read three nucleotides and then attach the appropriate amino acid. It's all chemistry. There's no thinking. It's all just chemistry.

When you're presenting these things, then it configures the ribosome a different way so that that amino acid that's the correct one will. will attach. And it will keep doing that until the whole MRNA strand is red. And then when the whole MRA strand is red, then you have the protein that it was encoded for floating around in the cell, and then it has to go do what it's supposed to do.

It's the most amazing thing. That's incredible. That this was going on for hundreds of millions of years before humans ever had a clue about what nucleotide was or what chemistry was. Right. You know, it's just like, but it was still, it was going on. It was happening.

It was happening in dinosaur cells. When, you know, and we talk about numbers, too, dinosaurs couldn't count as far as we know. But I've heard it said that if two dinosaurs went to a drinking hole, there were still two of them there, even if they were too dumb to know that, you know, that was a number two, right? There was still two, still two dinosaurs. And MRNA and DNA and all these things were happening, and they were doing this incredible work way before we became aware of any of it. Well, anyway, now what happens to the MRNA after it passes through the ribosome and makes this polypeptide or protein?

It breaks up into its constituent parts so that it can then be reassigned to make another protein through that RNA polymerase enzyme. Okay, so that's the one that reads the DNA and makes the MRNA. Well, now what we're doing is we are making MRNA in the laboratory and injecting it into people in these little lipid globules. That's what keeps it stable. And some of them work their way into the cell. Some of them just break up and then get, you know, used by another cell for something,

some of their purpose. but the ones that make it into the cell, some of those will get read by a ribosome, and then the ribosome will create the protein that that MRNA strand that we just created in the lab instructed them to do. So, you know, it's not too dissimilar

from driving instructions. Turn right, then turn left, then go one mile and turn right. It's kind of the same thing. It's a linear set of instructions on how to make a protein. And once you make that spike protein, that MRNA vaccine, you know, might hang around. Maybe it gets red one more time and then it just breaks up.

And then the body uses the nucleotides that are there to make other MRNA strands to do other things. And that's it. It's incredible. And that's literally it. It's cool. Yeah, it's super cool. And I've said on this show multiple times because this shit keeps being brought up. go watch a video on MRNA transcription

and if you can find one with a good like 3D animated model it will blow your mind that this is going on in your cells trillions how many cells are in the human body and I'm not sure the answer that echo how many cells are in the human body the typical adult human has 37.2 trillion cells that's what I thought it's in the trillions So this is going on 32 trillion times in your, you know, multiple, well, shit, it's happening multiple times in your cells all the time.

The cell isn't just making one protein. It's making all kinds of stuff, you know, maintenance proteins, proteins that go on the cell surface that we don't even know what the hell they are. Things like proton pumps in the stomach. Those are made through this process. proton pumps are cool. They take a quantum object, which is a naked proton, which is a collection of three quirks, and somehow the human body knows how to manipulate this quantum object

and pump it into your stomach to make acid to kill bacteria and digest food. Yeah. Now, how mind-blowing is that? It is insane. But it's a killer vaccine, though. Yeah, it's a killer. It's communicating with satellites. Yeah, and it's-

All right. Come on. Makes no sense. Come on. I wish that we could make stuff that we could inject into people that you could communicate with satellites because I'm a ham radio operator. That would be awesome. All right. I don't know if that's going to convince anybody that doesn't believe me.

But, okay, just for my street cred, I'm not a, you know, just a blind vaccine supporter. I am not a fan of the Veracella vaccine. I'll tell you what. I am, sorry, I am a fan of the Veracella Zoster vaccine, which is the shingles vaccine. What I'm talking about is the chickenpox vaccine. And my issue with that is we don't have long-term data to know that these people that got the chickenpox vaccine are going to need boosters down the road. And chickenpox is not like measles. Measles kills one and a thousand kids.

I had a friend in high school, I'm sorry, in elementary school that died from measles before the measles. measles vaccine, you know, was a common thing. And, but chickenpox can kill, but it's much, you know, the risk is much less. People just get chickenpox parties, get all the kids infected. And, but the problem is when you're an adult and you get chicken pox, it's a problem. Yeah. Your body can't handle it, just like COVID. You're a kid, you get it.

Yeah, you're fine. You're an adult that get it. There might be a problem. With chicken pox, there will be problems. if you get it as an adult. And the adult human body doesn't like it, and it causes a lot of inflammation, and those people are really, really sick.

And a pregnant person who gets chicken pox, that baby is in big trouble. So I don't see the benefit of a varicella vaccine that might need a booster. You might have some adults running around right now that are susceptible to chicken pox that don't know it and could have some problems down the road.

And that's my issue with it. So I don't see the value in it, to be honest with you. So there you go. There you go. Good stuff. Now, if you want to vaccinate everybody and just get rid of chicken pox altogether, I'm for that, but that's not what they're doing.

If you want to eradicate varicela so that there will never be a chicken pox case ever again, no even rare deaths from chicken pox and no shingles in your eye because if you're listening to this and you're not aware shingles is chicken pox virus come back to roost one more time

and they can go anywhere yeah because we've seen anywhere that it's been stored and yes you can get in your eye and it sucks so if if that's what the game is I'm okay with it then but if that's not what the game is just to prevent kids from getting chicken pox, I don't see the value.

So, anyway, all right. Hey, Dr. Steve. Hey, man. I just want to ask you your opinion, and I guess feel free to ignore this, considering how hot button it seems to be the coming. Now, that's the fun one. Ivermectin.

There seems to be quite a bit of censorship of people that aren't like your regular, crazy conspiracy theory, tight people and, you know, seem to have PhDs and are very well-versed in such things. Saying that Ivermectin, when used prophylactically or in conjunction with other drugs, can be very effective against COVID-19. So anyway, I'm just curious what your opinion is of that. Okay. Yeah.

So here's the thing. Ivermectin is an interesting molecule, and it needs to be studied. And, in fact, it is. I just, while he was talking, I went to clinical trials.gov. I recommend that all of you do it. And I put in COVID-19 and Ivermectin, and there are 70 studies, 70. So it's not like people are blowing this off. Sure.

What they want is double-blind placebo-controlled data that says it's safe and effective. That's all we need. We don't want to just treat people with stuff just because. because we think it's going to work. So now, here's Ivermectin nasal spray for COVID-19 patients. I think that's a cool one. Here's clinical trial of Ivermectin plus doxycycline for the treatment of confirmed COVID-19 infection, and it has results.

So let's just click on it. This, Carl will love me for doing research on the air. Oh, and they just give you raw data. Okay, yikes. Okay. Let me see. so overall number of participants analyzed were 183 with ivermectin and 180 with placebo so that's pretty good and looks like a count of participant unit of measure of participants and I can't find the

the results but there are results out there and if they are satisfactory and show a statistically significant improvement where the risk is outweighed by the benefit, hell yeah, we'll use it. Sure. And I can't, they just published raw data on this, so I can't pull the answers on this particular one. But there's a bunch of them. Here's another completed one, Ivermectin for severe COVID-19 management. That one has results. Here's usefulness of topical Ivermectin and carcinan to prevent contagion of COVID-19.

it has results. There's a bunch of them that are recruiting. Some are not yet recruiting. So they're looking at it. And if we get a preponderance of evidence that it's the real deal, we'll be using it. But that's what we need. That's what we've got to have. Now, here's one that was withdrawn.

Outpatient use of Ivermectin. I wonder why it was withdrawn. This was done at Temple University. Some of these got withdrawn because of political pressure, I think, too. People are like, why are you doing? you know so let me see um i'm not saying this one was i want to see if they say why it was withdrawn but it doesn't say at least not that i can just yank it up real quick but anyway yes i think all of these things should be studied and we should do the science the proper way and when we get

the prernerance of evidence we should use it if it's good all right this will be spam Let's see. Hello. Yep. Mm-hmm. Hello. Sometimes you've got to say it loud enough so they can hear you. No, okay.

All right. Yeah, so I just alerted somebody that's a live number. I was hoping that it was a good spam call. We could have a little fun, but there you go. All right. Kit Boga, I am not. Hey, Dr. Steve. How you been?

Good man. Good. Good. Question for you. How bad is smoking two cigars a week? Two a week. I don't inhale. It's relaxing. I'm not a drinker. Well, what's the real deal? Yeah. Thanks. Love the show. Hey, thanks, man. Well, the FDA has always said that cigar smoking carries a lot of the same health risks as cigarette smoking.

But they're, you know, cancer of the mouth, lung cancer, heart disease, that cigars aren't a safe alternative to cigarettes and certainly you should not be inhaling them. But there was a systematic review that was published in BMC Public Health looking at the risks of cigar smoking. And they looked at 22 different studies. And what they found was that there was very low. risk for people that used one to two cigars a day. Now, I'm not encouraging cigar smoking and you need to look at, evaluate the risk yourself. But we always said back in the day that if you smoke one or two cigarettes even a week, we don't have any data on that. We figure it can't be good for you. But the risk may be manageable. So you just got to decide whether you're going to

manage that risk or not. So relative risks for mortality, men smoking one to two cigars per day was at 1.02 so it's you know it's basically unity meaning that there wasn't any change but um plus it's probably good for his mental health yeah maybe I mean I'm not listen no I don't smoke no I'm not saying smoking's good but you asked a question about what the data shows and the data looks okay and if we want to explore that further we could in the future get dive deeper into that all right Dr. Scott let's do one more I think we got time.

Hey, Dr. Steve. This is Kate in Virginia. I really appreciate your show. Hey, thanks, Kate. I'm fairly new to it, but I have really enjoyed it. Got a couple of questions for you and Dr. Scott. Okay. If you answer, please answer this on the podcast.

We'll do. We'll do, both. My husband was diagnosed with a condition called chronic inflammatory demyelandating polyradicular neuropsy or CIDP. On April 10th, 2018 at the age of 72. Okay. He is in chronic pain from this condition, even though his doc says he shouldn't be experiencing this much pain. Well.

He has episodes of... Telling someone they shouldn't be experiencing something. A terrible idea. Well, I mean, it's just they are experiencing it. And it's their own pain. It's not somebody's pain to tell them. It doesn't help that they... shouldn't be no so but anyway

Coup pain as well he is currently allotted a whopping 38 percassette tablets per month and this is at a 5 325 dosage okay that works very well for him when

he takes it but his docs are reluctant to prescribe it or to prescribe any more than 38 tablets yeah and it's not that he wants more perkinson he just would like some pain relief he's getting really tired of being in pain understood they have tried him on various off-label medications oh boy

that has not relieved his pain at all okay well yeah this is a tough one so um cidp is um something that's it's related to gionn baray syndrome chronic meaning it's not acute inflammatory meaning it's autoimmune, demyelinating, meaning that it takes the sheath from the nerve cells that have insulators, insulation, which is called myelin, and it just eats it away. So now you're getting short circuits and stuff. And it slows down transmission as well. Polyneuropathy, meaning many neuropathy, meaning many nerves,

a nerve, you know, disease of the nerves. So it's a long autoimmune insulin, insulation destroying disease of multiple nerves. Right. Chronic inflammatory demilinolinating polyneuropathy. There you go. So anyway, it is related, as I said, to Guillain-Barray syndrome, which we know about with vaccines and stuff and influenza where people will get this demilinating neuropathy of the legs and makes them weak. And if it continues to march up from the legs up to the lung area, the longle area, then, you know, you stop breathing. So it's a rough one.

There's a bunch of different ones, different varieties of this. Too many for me to even start to list. So, and I don't think that pain is unreasonable to expect in a situation like this. and there's some sub-versions of this. They're not just one disease that's CIDP. There's multiple variants of it. And his, he has pain. A lot of patients have weakness, messed up reflexes.

There can be atrophy of the muscles because when they get denervated, you disconnect the nerves to them, they start to just wither away. Faciculations, loss of sensation. You can also get pain as well. The fact that oxycodone at low dose works for him tells me that, you know, he's not a drug, well, you know, he doesn't seem to be a drug seeker. It's very low dose and it works.

They're just giving him 38 a month. How are you supposed to buy that up into 30 days? So some days you can take two, I guess, and other days you just take one. But the problem with oxycodone is it's basically a four-hour drug. Right. So he's getting relief for. four hours short acting so i would do a couple of things first off make sure they're treating this properly most of the time we will treat this with um um medication that uh treats inflammation so

intravenous immunoglobulin other treatments like corticosteroids stuff like that you know if you can reverse the process sure you can make the pain better and then if uh you know you're doing all those treatments or you're waiting for those treatments to kick in and it's time to do, you know, pain management. See a pain management person and see somebody like Dr. Scott and attack this from multiple angles because if you just go barreling in like the Romans lined up in a line, sticking people with spears, and then the vandals come and go, well, hell, look at, we could just go behind them and kill them.

You know, they were destroyed because of a single brute force approach to warfare, whereas when we're fighting a battle against pain, you want to have a multifaceted approach. You want to flank your enemy. So see Dr. Scott and do some acupuncture and do some deep relaxation, you know, massage therapy, any of those kinds of things that might help you. relaxation therapy, the trip app, get an oculus, go and slap the trip app on them and get him some deep relaxation that way, stress reduction, all those things will help. And then, yeah, see pain management and get them to give you a few more percocet every day. That's just wacky to me. It's crazy, because we don't know the old.

This guy's 70 years old, and he's got demilinating polyneuropathy. That's how he's going to have to spend the rest of his days, and they're giving him 38 percassette a day. I'm only laughing because you have to laugh to keep from crying. Oh, that's terrible. You know, it's a terrible disease. But, you know, I would throw in there, too, Dr. Steve, make sure there's not some kind of thing that's making his neuropathy worse. You know, and sometimes there are medications and things that just to rule out, just to rule out.

We don't know his whole case or anything, but there are medications that can cause these demalinating polyneuropathy. If he's taking these things, stopping that insult, like you said, and then taking the proper. medications, he might feel better. I'm not aware of medications that caused this particular neuropathy, but I wouldn't be surprised. You can see it with diabetes,

melladitis and HIV, particularly paraprotenemia, stuff like that. But, yeah, I would look at all of those things, for sure. You just never know. No. All right, but, yeah, I would pursue the pain management thing a little bit further.

It doesn't sound like he's at high risk for pathologic use of his opioids and he's getting some release from him. Now, you get a 70-year-old male or a 70-year-old female, same. A non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug may be higher risk for them than a low-dose opioid. Yes. Because of bleeding. Stomach bleeding, heart disease, et cetera.

Yeah, that's right. Because some of those, particularly the Cox II inhibitor type, anti-inflammatory medications, increase your risk of heart attack and stroke. Yes, it did. And then Tylenol, if you take enough of it, you know, the older you are, the less of that you can tolerate. It can mess your liver up. Yep. About 3,000 milligrams or 3 grams a day.

And even that, if you're a frail elderly person, I'd be nervous about taking even that much. Oh, yeah. Sure. Me too. There's a lot of other options, I would say. Yeah. So, you know. That's six of those 500s a day.

A bunch. Yep. So in those cases, often the opioid by itself is a better choice. And in his case, what's the Tylenol doing for him? The acetaminophen. Just give him the, you know, plain oxycodone. Maybe a long-acting pain medication. Or down the road.

When he is, look, if they started him on a long-acting pain medication right now, we'll snow him. because the lowest dose of the long-acting pain medications is way more than what he's taking right now. But down the road, yeah, maybe. Maybe. I mean, that's proper pain management is when he gets to a certain level he needs to long-acting pain medication.

What about Dr. Stee? What about a patch that would slow, slowly? You're talking about like a transdermal fentanyl patch? Okay, again, not for the opioid naive elderly. Yeah, yeah. He is opioid naive because he's taken five milligrams of oxycodone a day. He needs to be up to 60 milligrams before you even start thinking.

And that's 60 milligrams of morphine equivalents, which would be, and now we're getting deep into the weeds, 40 milligrams of oxycodone. So you need to be taken eight of those a day before they even start thinking about a patch. And he's not even close. So you'll see elderly, yeah, you'll see elderly opioid naive folk end up on the ventilator for a day or two are getting Narcan because a very well-meaning person slapped a duragic. Dyrgyzic patch on them. Right on. But it wasn't appropriate. Right on.

But anyway. Well, there you go. Yeah. So we get that clear. Transdermal fentanyl patch is indicated for people who need round the clock dosing by and for folks whom other modalities haven't been effective and people who are opioid tolerant. Okay. Okay.

All right. Very good. Sounds good. Thank you, Dr. Scott for bringing that up. Good stuff. Clear it up. All right. Well, listen, we certainly cannot forget to say thanks to Dr. Scott and check out simplyerbils.net as long as it's there. Please go there and get something from him so that I don't have to pay him when he shuts it down.

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