Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 463 - Karl Has Questions

Episode Date: July 15, 2021

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Carl, welcome to the show. Steve, thank you so much for having me. I want to say, as far as regular callers from the O&A show, You're right up there with Snowy from Michigan. So it is an honor. Oh, thank you. Thank you. What a compliment.

That's high praise coming from the guy who has crippled Jesus calling in every day to his show. He's a celebrity as well. He is. He is. Well, so if you're not aware of Carl and his show, who are these podcasts, basically, if I can describe it this way, they took Jocktober and turned it into a business where they, They make fun, instead of making fun of radio shows, although you do do that every once in a while. They make fun of other people's podcasts. It is hilarious.

And it really, to me, captures the essence of what that old school O&A kind of was. You know, it's a little wild. Not everything always hits, but when it does, it's just brilliant. I appreciate that. I lack in the comedy of Jim Norton and Anthony Coomya, obviously. I still go back and listen to those old Jocktober episodes are so great. What I lack in that, I make up for in preparation. So we put a lot of work into the show.

We know what we're talking about, and we review a different podcast every single week. Right. Yeah. So you have at least the snark of Sam Roberts. We'll have to say that. Yeah. High phrase indeed. Thanks.

So anyway, that was a lot of fun. I got to get going. That was, well, you know, I think Jocktober was Sam's idea. on the first place. It was. I've credited him. He was the one who did all the prep into the October segments. He would actually pull the clips. He would set them up. He would explain what was going on.

And that's kind of my role on who are these podcasts. We bring in different guests after Steve was recently on our show. He's on the current episode we just put out this week. Yeah. What's it titled The Financial Feminist? Financial Feminist. Wow. That was

a show. That's a popular show I found out. I think you're going to be doing more of those, though. I think that might be a regular like some of your other regular. So what they found, unlike John, well, it kind of like Jock Tover, because every year they would do certain shows

over and over again. Scott and Todd, particularly. Carl has found his own group of misfits that he can do. But they do, you know, it's year round and it's every week and it's pretty effing great. So it's really, I've

enjoyed it. I never miss an episode anymore. Thank you, Dr. Stephen. I just want to say if it weren't for Stuttering John, I don't know that we would be still going. That guy is just an endless supply of garbage broadcasting. You can mine Stuttering John from now until Doomsday. Honestly, he puts out nine hours a week and I just scratch the surface. So much.

And it's all in good fun. You don't mean anything by it. Of course. It's a roast. It's a roast style show. Yeah, yeah, that's great. All right. And if people will do the plugs at the end, too, check them out at who are these.com or just in your podcast selector.

Just put in, who are these podcasts, and it'll come up. And they really enjoy it when you give them a five-star rating and then just shit all over them in the comments. Yeah, so we read the reviews, especially when you shit on us. Yeah, that was the first time that we had any real connection was I talked about your deviated septum in one of the comments. and Vic Redd. I was very excited about that. You lashed on to that. I mean, people talk about my club feet.

People talk about how I have no chin. They talk about my hairline for some reason, but you lashed out of the deviated septum. That's the physician in me. You know, when I hear your voice, I say, that guy's got a deviated symptom. And it's pretty damn bad. I told it.

Yes. All right, man. Well, listen, the reason that we had you on besides just me, you know, licking your balls, is that you had some questions that were very, very intelligent about this whole COVID-19 thing. Now that we're kind of seemed to be coming to the end of it, at least we can get back out and do some things. You brought up some things that I said were very legitimate questions that people legitimately could have. And we had a conversation about it.

And you were like, okay, well, I see that. So I realized we could have a conversation about it. I had a guy on last week that is one of my, you're going to meet him, August 28th at the live event. And one of my best friends, and he has a lot of questions, too, but he came on just completely baked. And we didn't get very far. You know, it was just me kind of droning on and on. So I think your questions are excellent questions to challenge. the heterodoxy or the whatever, the, you know, the established narrative out there.

But also, you know, you're a reasonable person. You understand, you know, numbers and things. So I just thought it would be fun to just talk for a while about these things because I think they're important. Well, it's interesting. I think the reason why you first reached out to me is because I was on the Drew and Mike show out of Detroit. And I was talking about the Bears database and I was playing a clip of Dr. Peter McCullough speculating that the deaths from the COVID vaccines is underreported, it is the highest 50,000.

And you sent me an email like, this is ridiculous. These people extrapolate data from the Bears database, are idiots. And so I always like these different opinions. And what I think is interesting with everything has happened over the last year and a half is, and my buddy Drew Lane from the Drew and Mike Show talks about this. We used to think back in the 60s and 70s, man, these people in Soviet Russia, they're getting this state-fed media. They are misinformation.

They don't even know what's going on in the world. It's like what China is today. You know, it's controlled by the government. And why are we outraged that that's what's happening here in this country today? And the most obvious example, of course, is the gain of function research lab in Wuhan, completely dismissed by the media. You got banned off social media as misinformation if you brought it up. And the reason why, if you remember this, Dr. Steve, the New York Times posted a report from, I believe it was our intelligence agency that said there's no evidence that COVID-19 came from the Wuhan lab. And that was a big article and that became the gospel.

And they decided that if you said that it does come from the Wuhan lab, then you're spreading misinformation, all the fact checkers and everybody else is out there. What they failed to mention in that report was that it also said there wasn't any evidence that it came from a bat or a patent. Pangolin either. Correct. He just left that part out of it. There's no evidence it came from the lab. Okay, that's true. There's also no evidence that came from anything else.

Right. So we're at square one here. We don't know what's going on with this. Right. Yeah. I think the difference between Pravda and some of the other state-run medias is that our media, they're privately owned and they're just doing this of their own free will, which almost makes it a little bit more scary.

Yes. Because it's harder to combat, I think, that way. You know, if we had a Pravda, a state-run media, and we could just say, well, you know, that's just all bullshit. But the fact is that this stuff was done, it certainly isn't state-run, at least not, you know, from the White House because it was exactly geared toward, you know, denying any narrative that was coming out of the White House at the time. And one of my things was that anybody that rooted for, say, hydroxychloroquine to fail, they were actively rooting for it to fail. They'd see a study that said, well, we didn't see a good effect. You know, I had 20 people and we didn't have enough power to see it. And they would post that everywhere, see, and they wanted it to fail just because they didn't like the person that was promoting it.

And it was worse than that, though. They were speculating that it wasn't even safe. I remember Nancy Pelosi proclaimed that our overweight president shouldn't be taking that drug. Right. This is a drug that's taken by millions of people, especially in Africa. Sure. It's very safe. My mother-in-law is, you know, I've always described her as a,

she looks like a basketball on top of a bigger basketball. And we've talked about this on the show with her out, so I'm not violating any HIPAA. But, you know, it sounds like BB8. Yeah, she kind of looks like BB8. But, you know, she's not a paragon of health or nutrition or anything like that. And she'd been on it for ages, you know, for rheumatoid arthritis. And when I saw the things that were, you see, the times when I intersect with the media, and I don't want to sound like one of those guys.

But when I intersect with the media, that's when I realize how much bullshit there is. And sometimes it's just, it's just laziness. example, when I was in Vermont, they did a story that was in our town. And I knew the people that were involved and I knew the places that were involved in almost every single fact in this story. And this was CBS News with Dan Rather. You know, while things were still reasonably respectable, everything was wrong. Every single fact, they got the people's names wrong. They got the spelling of the place wrong. You know, there's basically got the gist of it maybe. And And I realized at that moment that the one time that I knew intimately the facts of a story,

they were all wrong, that how do I not know that they aren't all wrong every other time when they're telling a story? I just don't know any better. They are. So the best case scenarios, they're incompetent. Yeah. That was in, right. That you could say, oh, they're lazy, they're incompetent.

Great. My concern here is, yes, you were talking about it's not state run. However, pharmaceutical industry will spend $11.25 billion. on digital advertising in 2021. Most of that money goes to Google and Facebook, by the way. More than half of all money spent on digital goes to two companies, Google and Facebook. And in 2020, this seems incredible. In 2020, 75% of total ad spend on national television was from the pharmaceutical industry.

And of course, as you know, we're one of two countries that allows this. And you know the other one. What is the other one? New Zealand. Oh, New Zealand. Really? Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't say, excuse you see one.

Are the only two countries. Oh, you stumped me on that one. I'll give you a bell. You can't hear. Give yourself a bill. Are the only two countries where we have advertising during our newscast that says, ask your doctor about blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah.

So why would you think for a second that if there was a problem with a vaccine from Pfizer or from Johnson and Johnson that the news would report on it? And the reason why I was bringing up the various database. And I said it, like, I don't know. Take it with a grain of salt. I know this is all self-reported and correlation causation. There's a lot of things that we need to dive into here. Yep. But I don't trust the pharmaceutical industry.

I think that they don't want to use generic drugs. I think the reason why hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin was dismissed is because they're generic forms. They're cheap. And remember this, though, Dr. Steve. I know. I don't think that was a serious. Do you remember? No, I don't care about that.

Remdesivir, sure. Yeah. So this was a drug, $3,200 per treatment. And I remember the study that came out, it didn't reduce fatality. It's slightly sped up recovery time. Okay. So what you're saying is true, but there is more to that story. So they showed a statistically significant decline in progression from one phase to another.

And it didn't show. mortality, but there's a reason why it didn't. They stopped the study. They did. It was not ethical to continue that study in, and give people placebo when they knew that the drug was effective. So when they do a large study like that, they will have an independent monitor. I can't, as the person that's running the study, I can't know if you got placebo or

if you got remdesivir. As a patient in the study, you can't know whether you got remade. or placebo because the placebo effect is so powerful. But to make sure that we aren't killing people and not knowing about it until after the study is done, or to make sure that we're not unethically giving people placebo when we've got something that has a statistically significant benefit, there will be independent monitors who will be looking at that data. And they picked up on the signal that this remdesivir was actually effective.

and they stopped the study because at that point once you realize it's effective you can't give somebody placebo anymore, right? I mean, does that ethically make sense to you? And at that point, they had mortality data that showed there was an improvement in mortality, but it wasn't statistically significant

because they weren't able to get enough people because most people don't get this disease and most people who get it don't die. So you have to have a huge sample to show a decrease in mortality and they just didn't get the sample size. So, I mean, Remdesivir wasn't the panacea that we hoped it was, but still probably worth pursuing. And they did come up with it in record amount of time, you know, and, you know, the thing is in this country, we pay more for our drugs, no question about that than any other country in the world.

And our insurance pays for that so most of us don't give a shit, right? Because our insurance will pay for it. So much for insurance that I do get a shit. Right, right, right. And that's a expense every month. Understood, understood. So, but, you know, a lot of people, there isn't a big uproar because people pay for their, you know, have their drugs mostly paid for. But I don't want to see the government restricting the pharmaceutical companies because they are innovating like crazy through, not only through competition, but because they've got these boatloads.

money hanging around. We are this close to a generalizable cure for cancer, and it's not going to come from the naturopaths. It's going to come from the pharmaceutical companies. And I'll hear people say, well, we already have that, and, you know, pharmaceutical companies are suppressed, and it is real simple. You give people, you know, whatever. And listen, if we had a really simple cure for cancer, and I knew about it because doctors

supposedly are in on this, I would reveal it today just. for the compensatory blow jobs I would get. You know what I mean? Just for the blow jobs. I would do it just for that. I'm 65. The pat on the back is nice, too, but I would do it for that. I would risk it.

And so would every other physician out there. So there's no grand conspiracy. Cancer is hard as shit to treat because you're killing living human cells inside a living human body. But if you go to my website at Dr. Steve.com, you can see non-sutocytes cancer cures. That's the kind of stuff that we're going for. We will have that. I used to say it was 100 years.

And now, hell, we're using immunotherapy now. You know why? Because if the government was doing this, there would be no innovation. So that's, I'm a libertarian. I think they ought to be able to make whatever money they can. Martin Schrelli can kiss my ass. But, you know, other than that, but I want them to make money so that they will continue to innovate. And if there's no competition, they won't innovate.

So you've got to let lots of players. into there. So, you know, but I get what you're saying, too. Let's talk about that because you brought me down another path here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am a digital marketer by trade and a podcaster. I don't know anything about what I'm talking about. That's okay. Your disclaimers,

I have mine. Never stopped anybody in this country. But I used to do a lot of work for the University of Rochester Medical Center, URMC. Okay. Which is very well respected. Some brilliant doctors, 3,000 researchers here in Rochester. Yes. And they talked a lot about

personalized medicine and that's kind of the direction they're going now moderna as a company developed this technology this mrna technology as personalized vaccines for cancer what you're talking about maybe not we're talking about but you know it is yeah i mean that was one of the things that they were going for moderna's name is actually mode RNA right exactly yeah and so what this means though and please correct me where i'm wrong but give me a second to spit this out we have this This MRNA technology that we're using as the vaccines, obviously the Pfizer and the Moderna have this. Also, I think, the AstraZeneca in Europe. Yeah.

And they're using the exact same drug or vaccine for every man, woman, child, pregnant woman, etc. When really this was set up, this technology was set up to be personalized medicine based on somebody's DNA. in fact, the inventor of this technology, Dr. Robert Malone, is concerned about potential long-term side effects. He tweeted, what happens to confidence in public health and USG if ivermectin turns out to be safe and effective for COVID, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have significant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit.

This is the person who invented the technology that were injecting to every man, woman and pregnant woman and child in the U.S. and around the world right now. Sure, sure. Well, Steve comment? Yeah. No, it's there are, listen, people say, well, where's long term data? Well, there will be no long term data until there's been a long term. That's one of the problems with this.

Well, let me say right there. Yeah, go ahead. This is something else that I heard about. Yeah, yeah. When they were testing MRNA vaccines for SARS or whatever it was that they were developing these four in the past, they were. were doing animal testing, which we didn't do this time around as far as I know. And what they found was it worked for the animals against the virus, but as the virus mutated

or there were variants, whatever we're going to use these days, then if there was a variant, the immune system didn't know how to deal with it and the animal would die. That is true. What this was was research that was done on feline coronavirus vaccines. And the thing is that they're, my understanding, Okay, so what you're talking about is a thing called antibody-associated immune enhancement. And we see this with dengue fever as well. People who get dengue fever, they get better.

They get it a second time. They're ten times worse. Right. And so in those trials with the cats, they were using a different target for those antibodies. And when they did that, exactly what you said happened was when it wasn't the mutation. It was when they saw a different coronavirus. The original antibody would attach to this locus, and it would actually prevent the white blood cells from being activated.

And so the virus just took off and would kill the host. Now, we, this was my, I know you don't listen to my show and it's fine. I've talked about this a bunch that this is the one concern, for this vaccine that I have, that I, if someone told me I'm not going to get the vaccine because I'm concerned about antibody associated immune enhancement, I would go, you know what, I kind of understand that. I do understand that. That is a concern. However, Dr. Robert Ballone doesn't think you should take it for that reason. Well, he didn't say you shouldn't take it. He says he has concerns. I have concerns, but I think you should take it. The good news is. Can I point out real

quick, though, Dr. Steve? I listen to your show what I can. I have to listen to a lot of podcast. Yeah, I know. I don't think. I guess a retch of it is. I'm glad you don't listen to my podcast that way. Yeah, the other shows I have to review. I'm hate listening most of the time.

I'm okay with you not listening. So, but I have made that. So people who listen to the show know that I've made that statement. And I'm not a vaccine shill. I'm not a fan of the Veracella vaccine. We could talk about that if you're interested in why I don't like that one vaccine. But, but so this I understand. Now, having said that, we've been giving that, we've vaccinated about a billion people by now,

and those other five coronaviruses are still floating around. And there's almost zero chance that no one has come in contact with one of the other five, you know, endemic, pandemic coronaviruses. Well, they're endemic. I mean, they're just in our environment. And we have seen zero cases. of antibody associated immune enhancement. God stop you're right there. Because how would we know that?

And this is my biggest concern. I think the information is being suppressed as we both agree. This is how we started this episode. Information is being suppressed actively. Twitter is blocking people. YouTube is taking physicians down who have the right information proven in the future.

And now you're saying, well, we know for a fact that it was that from these vaccines. I don't know that. Do you? Yeah, I do. We do, though. We have data. on mortality and those kinds of things that are not being suppressed.

But let's take ivermectin, for example. Okay. So Ivermectin is an anti-helmynthic drug. We use it for parasites and stuff in humans and animals, but it has antiviral and anti-cancer properties. Now, if you got on YouTube and said, we ought to be giving an Ivermectin and, you know, do it for this. Your YouTube channel would be taken out.

I did a whole show on ivermectin. I was worried that I was going to get deplatformed for it. But I was just talking about the science. And the problem with this was that there were, you know, maniacs out there, you know, saying this was a panacea for everything. And you could argue whether that was dangerous speech. I don't agree with that at all. But, you know, you could argue that they, that needed to be censored by some, you know, triumvirate of people at Twitter or YouTube. But then people who were just talking about the science were lumped into that.

as well. And so, you know, it's this whole where do you draw the line. Well, I think you draw the line at not censoring speech. But Ivermectin, even though you couldn't hear about it on YouTube and other places like that, you go to clinical trials.gov. You could go to PubMed. All of that stuff was there. If I go to clinical trials.gov right now, and my listeners are sick of me hearing me say this. There's 72 studies. I know. I know. I listen every now and again. Yeah, yeah. There's 72 studies on it The knowledge isn't being suppressed, but I am not okay with Google and YouTube and, you know, these other social media platforms just deciding we're not going to allow that on our platform. Okay, so let's talk about this then because I think our federal agencies are also mucking things up a bit.

Okay. And let's talk about Senate Homeland Security Committee chair, Ron Johnson, out of Wisconsin. Now you're out of my wheelhouse, but I'll listen to what you're. you have to say. All right, listen to what I have to say. I will. So he says, fewer doctors practiced off-label prescription rights because hospital associations can be sued for not following the federal agencies. And quote-unquote, this is how we advance medicine by saying, I think Ivermectin might work for this. And some of the other physicians that I saw were talking about, look, and it's not like just one drug that's going to do this. We're going to have probably

of variable drugs and we're going to try different combinations of them and we're going to try to treat patients and the NIH dropped the focus on treatment back in May of 2020 when it became known that the virus would be amenable to a vaccine. Right. And so all of this information started to get scrubbed and you couldn't all of a sudden treat the drug. Doctors were told not to and all they said was go home and isolate yourself. That's not treating a patient telling them to isolate themselves.

That's insane. Yeah, that kind of pissed me off, too, because I was a big proponent of things like Favapuravir, which is an antiviral that's already on the market in Japan that showed initially some promise in the treatment, early treatment, because this is what we want. Carl, I said this from day one. If we have a pandemic and it's, you know, and it was no hoax, I mean, I could back in the peak just before January 15th, I could have taken people through. you know, any hospital in our system, and you would have seen it's not a hoax. It's just big numbers and small percentages, but still results in big net numbers. The average person who died from having COVID was older than the life expectancy. But yeah, it wasn't a hoax.

But there's a lot of people. And then there were the outliers. We had the 25-year-olds and the 40-some-year-olds, and some of them had, most of them had risk factors. Some didn't. But they were outliers, no question about that. But as a practicing, I forgot where I was going with this, but I were saying you were also annoyed with the policies from the NIH. Yes, yes, yes. So as a physician, I'm supposed to be able to write anything off label anytime I want to.

But that was not the case in this situation. There were people that had to sue the hospitals as a last-ditch effort to get somebody to have. hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin as elastis effort now this is i remember when i was where i was going this is a problem because obviously when it's a last ditch effort

last ditch efforts usually don't work you know and what we needed very early on and i said this from day effing one when i was doing the covid sit reps on the laugh button channel on youtube was that if we had a

treatment that would would keep people early on in the disease from progressing to having to go to the hospital. And if you were in the hospital, it prevented you from going on the ventilator. If you're on the ventilator, it prevented you from dying, this thing would be over. Because if we had something like Tammy flu, which doesn't even work that well, but if you went to your primary care and said, God, I've got COVID-19, and they go, yeah, we do this test, you had it, here's a prescription, go take it and isolate yourself for seven days, which we do for people with influenza. They have to isolate.

I had influenza one year, and I watched five seasons of Arrow on the CW. That's when I got caught up on the Arrow first. You watched Supraddles over again? Just wasn't Supradles over again. That's all up here. I'd never seen Arrow. But anyway, and I was sick, too. But I, you know, if we had that, we know, who gives a shit if we had a pandemic?

You'd just go about your business. This would be over the next day. And the fact that they drop the ball on therapies for early therapies early on, because they're studying stuff now. Well, shit, who cares now? You know, really, there is some, there will still be some benefit from promoting the science. Still cases of COVID-19 out there. We've still got people in the hospital with it. So it's still be nice to have.

And for later coronaviruses, I think that really is the way to go. This vaccine thing, I just saw that. You're right. They saw it was amenable to a vaccine. They jumped with it because they knew they could stop this thing quicker that way. But I really think dropping the ball on therapeutics was a mistake. I don't know if they thought they could stop it quicker. I think it had to do with big pharma.

I think Trump probably has got some buddies and, you know, there's a lot of money to be made. And so they made some deals. I mean, let's not forget. I mean, vaccines have changed our world. There's no question. Oh, no, no, I'm not anti-vaccine. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know.

Hundreds of millions of doses before it was even creative. like the money was already exchanged like here's trillions of dollars whatever it was billions of dollars yeah and now fulfill the order whenever you get around to it but remember how desperate we were we I mean as to be done with my point though with so I was I was watching this guy Dr. Peter McCullough who you might disagree with but he's this Dallas physician and he's the most published MD in his field which is heart and kidneys whatever he was the first person to put together a paper on the treatment of COVID because he was recognizing that no one's talking about how we're going to treat this right And he found what he called a sequence multi-drug approach

that had an 85% reduction in hospitalization of people 50 plus who contracted COVID-19. And he put together this paper and he joined forces with many other physicians. And he decided his daughter told him, you got to spread the word. He put together a video with four slides from this peer-reviewed paper that was published in the American Journal of Medicine. And it went viral. A week later, YouTube took it down for violating the terms. Yeah, that's shitty. Let's look at this article.

Do you have the title of it by any chance? We should have talked about this ahead of time. Oh, yeah, you're not going to be able to find it. You're Googling, by the way. No, no, no. Dude, I have a National Library of Medicine access. And by the way, so do you and everybody else. Fair enough.

But everyone just uses Google, which totally suppresses. What's his name? Dr. Peter McCullough. It's MC-C-U-L-O-U-G-H. Okay. And it's COVID-19. Let me see. Let me just, let me start there. Yeah, American Journal of Medicine. Okay, multifaceted, highly targeted sequential multi-drug treatment of early ambulatory high-risk SARS-C-OV-2 infection. And this was published in reviews of cardiovascular medicine, which ain't AGM.

So we had two papers. Okay, okay. You did have two papers. That might be the other one. Let me look and see here. Okay, here's the one from American Journal of Medicine. So that's pathophysiologic basis and rationale for early outpatient treatment. So this one is, this is a review article. This is not a clinical trial. This article outlines key pathophysiological principles that relate to the patient with early infection.

So you understand that this is, hey, I've got ideas. And it's at the end of the article, the conclusion said future randomized trials, testing the principles and agents discussed will undoubtedly refine and clarify their individual roles. However, we emphasize the immediate need for management guidance in the setting. So he's saying, listen, we need something, but we don't have the data. That first paper was he said no one else was talking about the treatment. Right. No one is talking about this.

So he put together a paper to talk about, we need to start treating this. And then I believe the second paper was after he had some data. Okay. The other thing that I've seen is. multiple physicians complaining about was these government agencies, the NIH, they never consulted panels of doctors actively treating patients. Yeah. You know, there are all these physicians who are using steroids and ivermectin and other drug sequences, showing signs of success, whether it's statistically significant or not. Yeah. But the fact that they're not like going to

these people and saying, what are you seeing with your patients, what's working? I remember very early on hearing a physician, I believe, with Dr. Drew Pinsky, who was talking about, um, Oxychloroquine and zinc and talking about this combination. He's like, this is a miracle. This is working. And this guy is a pricing position. I assume he knows what he's talking about. But it just, it was never discussed it, never made it up to the road, the ranks to get

be talked about on CNN or Amazon D.C. Humans are really shitty, even really smart humans at processing odds and probability. And so that's why we have to have a discipline called statistics. and epidemiology where we crunch these numbers because otherwise we're really bad at that and there was a group of people and I'm not going to say their name but they treated 300 people

and they gave them all azetramycin and they all got better. Well, when you have a recovery rate of 90 plus percent that could happen. You could, you know, you would figure you'd have, let's say if it's one in a hundred okay, that die.

So 1%. And if you're cherry picking, your patients, so you could make it even less than that, or more than that. But let's just say one in a hundred. So could you imagine a world where you took, so you would expect for every hundred patients that one would die. Right. And if you give them this treatment and it's just a placebo, one would still die.

Well, could you imagine a world where you could flip a three-sided coin and you could flip heads three times in a row, and you could do 300 patients and none of them die? Because that sample size is so small. that that's very easy to have that happen. And that's what happened to them. And they came out, they only had 350 patients. They said, they all got better. Well, no shit.

You know, most people did get better. And that's, and I'm not even saying that they were bad actors. They just were bad epidemiologists. And everybody wanted to have an answer to this thing. And, you know, statistics are just are tough. Well, yeah, and I'm in digital marketing. So I understand statistics and statistics. So statistical significance.

Can't say it, but you understand it. And it's funny because remember they had that cruise ship? Yes. That was the first thing they used to say like, oh, my gosh, this has a 4% fatality. I had that guy out. I had a guy that was on the cruise ship on my show. Oh, interesting. Yeah, he's local.

He's local to me. But it's interesting that when it first started, we were taking data from China that was all false and who knows what it was. And then we were taking these crazy little pockets of data. And we were saying, oh, my gosh. gosh, the fatality rate is 4%, 5%. And you just said 90 plus, 99.6. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right.

Right? I mean, that's what we're actually talking about. Yeah. The idea that we locked down, and you keep talking about risk versus reward, why was it that the politicians were so quick to just say, we got to lock it down, nobody can get sick with this, and there was no thought about, all right, what about people's mental health, what about physical health, what about the economy,

what are other things that are going to happen if we just decide to shut everything down. There seem to be zero consideration of that. I totally agree. And I always say on this show that politics plus medicine equals politics. And that's it. That's the only thing that comes out the ass end of that equation is politics. And this business where we had blue states that were locked down and red states that were evil and they were letting people, you know, go to bars and stuff. You know, it's crazy. Now, I like the idea of the United States having 50 little different experiments that they can run. And that was very useful because you saw Florida. And, you know, they were pretty wide open. I was in Florida.

You had to wear a mask in some places. Like if you went into Walgreens or something like that. But, you know, and people were being careful, but they weren't totally locked down. The restaurants were open. People were delivering food. You know, it was still happening. And the media say, Dr. Steve, there was going to be an outbreak. They kept predicting it. Oh, my gosh. This is going to be crazy. Remember when they had to put a curfew on spring break in Miami? Yeah. And it wasn't because they're worried about the spread of this disease because these people were like.

They were rioting. Right. Yeah. They were going crazy. And everyone was like they were watching these videos and they've been trained that if you're not wearing a mask, you're going to get COVID and everyone's going to die. And then it didn't happen. It just kind of like went away. I personally don't think, and I'm interested to hear your opinion on this, I don't believe masks makes much of a difference at all.

Yeah. And I'll tell you what I base that on a couple things. Well, I like what you say. is you didn't you said I don't think they work very well at all you didn't say they don't work so go ahead and I'm going to I think I'll convince you that what you said was really the crux of this situation and I think there's an importance an important nuance there to say that they don't work well at all and to not just then say they don't work but go ahead because in everything in life there's so many other factors and I see

Gavin Newsom who says we got to shut the state down and everyone has to wear a mask at all times even if you're out on the beach I don't care and it's 100 degrees out whatever you have to put a mask on Florida says the exact opposite and California was hit harder

so that's just like one quick example where you go oh maybe a mask don't work but also the guy who's telling you to wear a mask is having dinner with his friends they're all hooting and hollering and yelling at each other so they're not believing their own bullshit we're all fine we can do it because we're something

They're like. Yeah, that's that sort of hypocrisy. I can't stand that. And the restriction of liberty and human, you know, the ability to make a living for yourself also was really distressing. And then you got people like, you know, the politician from San Francisco that, you know, was pushing the masks and the lockdown and then going to, you know, getting the salon owner to open up just for her and stuff like that. can't stand that stuff. But here's the thing with masks. Yeah, they mostly don't work.

Would you give me that they work 10% of the time that, you know, may decrease some transmission 10% of time? In other words, 90% doesn't do anything. Well, before you get into that point, I apologize, I keep cutting you off. No, it's okay. But I'm the co-host, so I could do that. No, yeah, that's right. So this comes back to.

He's not the guest. He's the co-host, everybody. This goes back to, there's a very. low instance of asymptomatic spread and that was early on we said it doesn't matter if you're showing symptoms or not you're going to be spreading this like wildfire right and the science has not come back to prove that at all that was the fouchy ran paul thing fouchy would say well we don't know that it doesn't and ran paul would say well you don't know that it does right there's no evidence that it does right right and so we had a whole public health strategy based around there's going to be this

crazy asymptomatic spread i was just on an airplane for 10 hours and i went to Vegas to see my friend Julie do stand-up. And I'm wearing a mask on an airplane for 10 hours. You know, I'm in both ways. I don't live that far away from Vegas. I'm not sick and I have been vaccinated. There was a paddleboarder in Malibu who was arrested. The person was by himself on a paddleboard of the ocean.

Come on. But he wasn't wearing a mask. This is insanity, right? That's not true. Is that true? Yeah, you didn't hear about that? No. That is.

Oh, it's hilarious. There's a video. hilarious. Oh, my. See, that's the nonsensical bullshit that I can't stand. Of course, because you're a smart person. It's common sense. Oh, my God.

Well, anyway, yeah, that just makes no sense whatsoever. That person posed no danger to anybody. That's really the question. Do you pose a danger to somebody? And when you're on your own in this ocean, who's he going to pose a danger to, the seals? California are authoritarian. They just like, well, we made a rule and you better follow it. Because I don't want anyone seeing that people aren't following our rules.

Well, that's a stupid rule. But the mask, that kind of goes without saying. The mask thing is interesting. If you'll grant me that 90% of the time they don't work. Sure. When you have, so are you familiar with the concept of the R not or the effective reproductive number? In other words, it's the number of people. So the R0, R sub-zero, you know, it's an R with a little zero.

Okay, yeah, I am familiar with it. Cuomo talked about this quite a bit. Okay, well, that doesn't make it a bad concept. I'm sure he used it improperly. But the R-Nought for COVID-19 is around 2.4. And what that means, if you take one person that's infected and put them in a population, an idealized population of fully vulnerable people, that person will infect about 2.4 people on average.

Now, some people will affect 150, you know, if they're in a choir and they're just spewing it out, and some people will, in fact, none. So it all averages out to about 2.4. The truly effective number of the R sub t is the number of what you actually do in the population is like for the longest time was like 1.1. So when you have 1.1, in other words, it's, you know, just 10% above not transmitting at an increasing rate. And that's when a 10% efficacy of a mask can kick you from increasing your COVID-19 to just getting below the threshold where you're now decreasing. And that's why I was a fan of masks when this thing was in full swing.

For example, when in the beginning, Fauci said, no, it's stupid to wear a mask. Well, I always took that as when there were 100 cases in Washington State. There wasn't any sense. It was stupid for me in Tennessee to wear it. Now, when all of a sudden, in Tennessee, we had millions of cases, you know, and the country had millions of cases across the whole country, it made sense, particularly in states where the R sub T was hovering around 1.1 because you could get to that point where your cases were actually decreasing. So that's why I was okay with masks, but I'm also okay with casting them off when it doesn't make any sense anymore. Well, the other thing about Fauci that I want to talk to you about, because, yes, you did say that masks don't work. And he actually said that he didn't say it was because there's not a lot of COVID around you or anything like that.

What he said on 60 minutes was they actually fiddle with them and your fingers are touching your face and you might get stuff there. Yeah, well, people didn't use them right. That is true. Right. But we now learn children use them. Oh. Yeah. Well, children are just naughty and gooey anyway.

But what I thought was odd, though, about what Dr. Fouchy was saying, and of course, he was on TV every single day because he just loves the camera. He never once talked about building up your immune health or the importance of diet and exercise. And I, you know, Joe Rogan always talked about this. I think it's odd. Modern medicine, and I'm interested in your take on this, you've been in the industry very, very long time. Yes. There's too strong a focus on pharmaceuticals. I don't disagree.

It's not, is that just medicine? There are things you can do to make yourself healthy and ability. your immune system so that you don't get sick in the first place. So what's the American way? The American way, and I love this country, but this is typical of shit that we pull in this country. We see a study where in Norway, people who eat a lot of fish have fewer heart attacks and strokes. So in this country, what do we do is we take a bunch of fish and put them in a vat and render them down to oil and put it in a pill. and we take it and go, well, there we go, so we're good.

You know, instead of just eating more fish, it turns out that people who ate more fish were eating less of other stuff, and they just did better. And there's probably genetics and a bunch of other stuff involved there. But, you know, that's our way of doing things. And, you know, the thing that I don't know if Joe Rogan said this, somebody said it, that, you know, exercise and vitamin D, which we get from sunshine, and our diet are really important to health.

And what are the things that we just totally just trashed during COVID-19? You know, you could still do a good diet, but you couldn't go to the gym anymore if you went out and jogged and you didn't have your mask on, which try that sometime. You know, you got yelled at, particularly if you're in New York. I mean, I know people that are friends of mine that were jogging without their masks and people would run after them and curse at them and stuff. And then, you know, you're not getting sunshine because you're inside. You're supposed to stay inside and you're lacking in vitamin D. And it was just all the things that make us healthy. We were kind of putting aside during these lockdowns.

Well, let's not forget we were also, because we wanted to support our local businesses, we were encouraging takeout from restaurants. Yes. So people were actually ordering out more often, which is always less healthy than cooking at home. Yeah, it was awesome, though. You enjoyed that part of it? Yeah. Yeah, I gained a lot of.

I gained a lot of weight, but then I had to, so it's one of my biggest affiliate things is Noom, and I've done very well with that because I lost all my weight again. I got to check that out. We'll check it out at Noom.doctrsteep.com. I actually can't plug that on this side. But anyway, listen, we've got, it looks like we've got about three, four minutes left. So you got anything else? We need to get your plugs in for sure.

I know. I'm enjoying this. So I wanted to talk to you about. We should do another hour of this. We'd barely scratch the surface of a lot of the things I know that you wanted to talk about. That's true. But that's okay. So I was, I'm in New York State.

So Cuomo's daily presser was must-see TV for me. I wanted to know what's going on. I was an owner of a business at that time. And, of course, we all had to start working from home and everything was getting shut down. And what Cuomo said originally was 80% of New Yorkers will become affected with COVID-19. Oh, it's what that was going around early on. We're all going to get it. We're all going to get it, right?

And then he said, so what we need to do is we just need to flatten the curb because the hospitals are going to be overwhelmed and we just need to flatten the curve so it doesn't happen. Now, I actually knew about a dozen people, like I said, I worked with URMC. I knew about a dozen people who worked at the local hospitals here and they were all furloughed during this time. So we were concerned about the hospital's getting overwhelmed. they didn't have enough business to keep their employees on full-time.

They're all getting a week a month furloughed and seeking money from it. There's so early on particularly, and I used to notice this when I worked in urgent care. I worked in urgent care. I'd see about 70 patients a day. And then race week. I live near Bristol, Virginia, you know, Bristol Raceway, you know, close enough. and when race week could happen, all of a sudden, nobody was sick anymore. Nobody showed up.

I might see two or three people. So people have some control over that. When you're not just being overwhelmed with, you know, knuckleheads coming in for stuff, yeah, the next thing you know, all you're seeing are COVID patients, and they're in the minority. And that was early on. Now, later on, things got really hopping in the hospitals. But, yeah, it was real, real quiet there for a while. Well, I think it was a little bit overreward.

reported, I did see footage that CNN was using that they said it was a hospital in New York City. It turned out it was a hospital in Italy. And that made the rounds. I mean, it's just misreporting going on. So it makes people like me very skeptical. I know I'm being lied to. You should be that they're lying to me about everything. But it also was disconcerning that Cuomo's like, everyone's going to get it. And then a month or two into the lockdown is like, nobody can get this disease. We can't have a single person get COVID. If one person dies, it's one person too many. It's like, where's the risk and reward? Isn't that interesting about? It's just like, and we all went along with it. I mean, not all of us. But everyone's just like,

yeah, that's fine. No one should ever get COVID ever again. It's like, no, no, no, we need to be living our lives. And it's okay if some people have to go to the hospital. That's, that's how hospitals. And by the way, you know this better than anyone. I know this because I worked with the hospital for so long. When the news reports, oh my gosh, the hospital's at 90% capacity. We're very concerned. They operated 105 to 110% capacity at all times. That's their business. model it's like how airplanes open for flight that's their business model they have to be over capacity yeah yeah yeah oh that's good and you're not you're not wrong and the problem is i don't we're absolutely out of time the music is starting to play but fuck it we'll just keep going

for the podcast we'll do that so i wanted to ask you because i focus on the media and how they handled all of this yes so when CNN has this focus on the death count and every time. I don't watch CNN, but I would just go out to a restaurant or you go somewhere and it's on the TV. Yeah, an airport. They have the third of panel just focusing on the deaths and the hospitalizations and these numbers and they just keep growing. Doesn't that become a self-fulfilling prophecy? I know that if you are sick and you think you're going to die, you have a better chance of die. It's the placebo effect, right? It's a nocebo effect at that time. You're right. Isn't this well-known science that if you tell people,

you're going to get better, do you have a better chance of getting better? And if you tell people are going to die, you have a chance of dying? Well, that is a particularly small effect. But, yeah, people that have achieved

people who are stubborn and say, I'm not going to die tend to live longer than people who have accepted, oh, I'm going to, you know. So, yeah, so if you tell people you're going to die and they accept that, there may be an increase. And I can't quote the statistics.

That's a very small effect. But just concentrating on the death, and the mayhem and really exaggerating it as far as a percentage of the population, particularly, that contributes to a decline in our mental health. No question about that anxiety and stuff. And agoraphobia, people started becoming afraid to leave their homes. One of my favorite sites, and I'll turn you on to this if you're aware of it, is COVID-stoutlabs.com.

Okay. And on there, you can take and graphically play with numbers. It's sort of like the world in numbers, except it's more infinitely play-a-roundable. You know, you can mess with it. And you can mess with the numbers yourself. I'm sorry, COVID. What was the URL? Oh, sorry.

COVID-C-O-U-T-L-A-B-S-O-A-B-S dot com. And there's state data in that. there, and then there's world data. And the state data is fun to look at because you can plot New Jersey and New York and California against, say, Florida and Alabama and stuff. You get some pretty interesting ideas that you can play with, and you can, you know, take screenshots and post that stuff. And there are all kinds of neat things you can do with it.

But you get that, the data is filtered through Johns Hopkins, which to me is still a relatively reliable organization. I don't see any evidence that they're manipulating the numbers because of politics or anything like that. And so you can see the numbers for your damn self. And the really interesting one is to look at, you know, percent of deaths per population, you know, per 100,000. And I had a medical student. And he was saying, oh, you know, the United States sucks and all this stuff. I said, okay.

in how would you, what country would you think did the worst as far as COVID-19 is in the world? And he said, oh, by far the United States. And I said, okay, how would you measure that? Would you agree that deaths per 100,000 would be a measure, you know, because we can normalize it to the population? He said, oh, yeah, absolutely that would be it. So I said, well, let's just go do that. And then we did it. And, you know, the United States was like number 18.

In the 1920s, right? Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. Some are pretty, you know. A lot of Western European countries that come up higher than that. Oh, yeah. UK was at that time. Italy was higher than we were, Spain, I think. And so, you know, it's, it, people, again, have a hard time with statistics.

And that's why I like websites like that because you can just look at it in pictures. We're a lot better at looking at pictures than we are. The media has a hard time with statistics. So I was thinking. about this. What if we had just, we have CNN, it's just plotting opioid deaths. And we're, every single day, we were showing that. Right.

Now, you may or may not be aware of this, but Johnson and Johnson just settled with the state of New York, $230 million that they're responsible for the opioid crisis. And you have all of these ODs and these people who were strung out on opioids. And Johnson Johnson paid the money, $230 million in the state. but in paying that settlement said but we take no responsibility obviously you do I mean I know it's chump change for them but obviously you do

or you wouldn't have paid it so these are illegal legal drug pushers does the news media report on this like this was a huge problem but because they're also paying for their salaries you're not getting a lot of reports on this yeah well I'm looking at

CNBC dot com about this JNJ thing and what what they I said the agreement bans Johnson and Johnson from promoting opioids through any means and prohibits lobbying about such products. So what happened

was in the 80s and I lecture on this. So, you know, I do a lecture on safe opioid prescribing. And there was a letter it was Porter and Jick did a letter. It was a letter to the editor

to a prestigious medical journal saying that we looked at you know, X number of thousand people in the hospital that we treated with high power opioids, and we only had four people that were, we could say, were addicted to it, which

was just, it's laughable now. Right. But because of that, that was the crystal, you know, the seed crystal that you put when you're making rock candy or, you know, other crystals, that then everything crystallized around. And the next thing

we know, we're being told as physicians that were under-prescribing pain or under-treating pain and were under-prescribing that we could get sued if we didn't treat, you know, chronic pain with strong opioids. And then I went to some drug company sponsored CME, quote-unquote, CME events where they got one person after another up there saying, well, my, I'm an attorney and I had to stop working and nothing allowed me to go back to work until I got transdermal fentanyl, which is something we used for cancer pain.

I mean, you can use it for other things, but it's a long-acting fentanyl product. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's fentanyl. It's a great drug. You know, fentanyl, a hell of a drug. Right. You know, so, but we, the drug company,

education and lobbying, saying, hey, these people, these doctors are under-prescribing drugs. And then, you know, fast forward 20, 30 years later, and now we're the problem because we're overprescribing and now it's a problem. And you can notice that if you plot that in about 2010, doctors, physicians and nurse practitioners and P.A. stopped writing opioids pretty much for chronic pain. You start seeing a lot of chronic pain people saying, hey, what the fuck? You know, I was on this stuff. It was working.

And now nobody will prescribe it for me. But you see the number of prescriptions dropping precipitously, yet the opioid deaths continue to rise. And why is that? Because we didn't. We didn't do anything about the demand. We did nothing about the demand. We took care of the supply. So now the street drug is coming to play.

So then that's where in the street drugs in Chinese fentanyl and, you know, you can a couple of million doses in a brick about this big, you know, a kilogram, you know, 2.2 pound brick. and it's really easy to smuggle and it's really easy to die from it because if you get a dealer that doesn't know what they're doing and they just go, man, I just need to step on this a little bit in the positive sense and kick it up a little bit

and they take a teaspoon and start dumping it in these bags. People are just going to die from it. If you take an oxycontin, you know how many milligrams it is. You can kind of judge it a little bit better. So I'm not saying you should abuse oxycontin, but it is safer if you know what you're doing.

you know so it's it's a very complicated problem you know we a lot of chronic pain patients out there are really hurting now because physicians won't write it anymore and it's not you shouldn't just stop writing it you should just write it responsibly and more safely you know but anyway that's that kind of shit but that was show you that the pharmaceutical the big pharmaceutical companies I'm trying not to say big fireback because then you sound like a conspiracy guy yeah yeah the big pharmaceutical companies have a little too much power in this country wouldn't we be better off if they weren't allowed to advertise like in almost every other country in the world and we could have watchdog journalists and politicians you know the other thing is the lobbying i mean obviously that's a

whole other thing but wouldn't it be great if there was someone checking them well they're going just for cme and you're getting this propaganda right that there's someone going wait a second i don't think that study that we did an 87 that said four people out of 100 000 got addicted to this was correct let's check that again yeah well the front i'll tell you uh pharmaceutical companies didn't want to be regulated by the federal government when it came to their marketing. So what they did, and I'll give them credit for this, is they created these pharma rules. And they can no longer do a CME like I went to back in the 80s. That cannot happen.

I also, my aunt used to be a pharmaceutical rep, and I know that there used to be a lot of, like, here are your trials, here's some gifts for you. And we can no longer do that either. They can't give us anything they can feed us, and that's about it, and they have to have materials that are vetted by the FDA, and the FDA will yank it if they say anything that's slightly off-label. So they have to be completely on-label. They cannot detail off of the – like if I say, well, I want to use back in the day when Neurontin was only – Gabapentin was only used as – an anti-seizure medication, but we were using it off-label for neuropathic pain. They couldn't detail us on that. If we asked them about it, they'd have to say, well, I have to get somebody from research to.

So they can't do that. They can't do a CME. They can't do a CME at all anymore. And if they are doing any sort of quote-unquote education about their drug, it has to be labeled that this is a drug company sponsored. and if they have a slide set, it has to be vetted by the pharma people inside their organization. So I have to say it's way better than it was. And this kind of thing, I want them to be able to tell me about new drugs because otherwise, you know, you don't always see every, you know, they're published in some damn journal I don't get.

Yeah, no, I want them to tell you about the drugs. I don't want them to tell every Joe Schmo who's watching CNN or ABC Nightly News about it. Well, do you think, though, that there's, people are watching CNN and going to their doctor and saying, well, I really got to have that Jardians for my diabetes? I always wondered if there's any effectiveness to that at all. I'm sure there must be because they're spending billions on it. Well, it's a great question, though, because think about it, Dodgersie. Let's say that it doesn't work. Yeah, so let's say that that advertising doesn't work because I was always skeptical, too, when they started doing that.

Right, right. What would be the benefit of them continuing to pump billions? of dollars into this advertising, everything that I've been talking about this whole time. Yeah. So they're no longer following up on potential stories that could be detrimental to that company because they don't want to say, hey, if you run that story, we're no longer advertising on ABC Nightly News. Like, oh, oh, sorry, never mind. We're not going to run it. Yeah, I would really like to see someone, there's got to be a whistleblower. If that were true,

that there was that kind of pressure, I would really like to see that. Because They, if that, if that shit's happened, well, it seems like, sometimes the things we think got to be true aren't really happening. But I see that there would be benefit to them to try that. And I really, God, you know, there's got to be a whistleblower out there. It says, yeah, we were approached by ex-pharmaceutical company, and they said, if you run that, we're not going to advertise with you anymore. and we didn't run it because of that

because we were told from on high and that would be a huge damn I think there's whistleblowers like that all the time I think Tucker Carlson's telling that story I think Project Veritas is and once again YouTube is scraping it and you know

on Google results and Facebook won't show I mean this is I know I sound very conspiratorial but it's crazy to think anything otherwise when you see all the evidence that we see where they're taking things down that don't forward their narrative. They banned cigarette advertising and hell R.J. Reynolds still making tons of money,

but they were smart enough to diversify. You know, now they make crackers and stuff. I used to live in Raleigh. Real quick, and then I'll let you go. Yep. Is with the media. And when COVID first hit and Trump was doing pressers every day,

it was all about the ventilators. Oh, my gosh, you don't have enough ventilators. we've got to get ventilators. The media was just pounding him on this. And this was the wrong treatment, right? We discover that the ventilators actually probably made things worse. Well, the way that we were doing it, if you did it in the classic way, yes, it wasn't making people better. There are ways, some people you've got to put on the vent.

Sure. But we're trying to prevent ever putting someone on the vent to the extent that we can because we know that when they start getting those high positive and extratory pressures that we're, probably making things worse. And then we found that you have to put people in the prone position. Now, how uncomfortable is that to be on a ventilator with this tube down your throat and you're on your stomach? Well, I thought you're in an induced coma when you're on a ventilator. Well, I mean, yes, they sedate you just to pass the time because you got to, you'd go crazy.

But you try to minimize the sedation to the extent that you can because there's long-lasting cognitive deficits, the longer you're on some of these fat-sliable anesthetics, you know. So I feel like this whole thing, I lose confidence in the media who never came back and said, oops, our bad. We were pressing drop on ventilators all this time. We were wrong. And be the medical professionals who are like, geez, we thought this was the right treatment. And it obviously wasn't.

You know, we're still learning as we go. Sure. I don't hear about these things. Well, you have heard about them because you know about it. That one you know about. And, you know, I saw stories on that where they were saying that. we needed to change our ventilator protocols and stuff like that. The problem was never the number of ventilators.

We thought it might be. Right. The problem was staff. The things that were going to cause us to not be able to treat people weren't the number of ventilators. We had plenty of ventilators, but we didn't have plenty of nurses and respiratory therapists and other allied health and just providers to treat all these people. That was the biggest shortage that we had.

And that's a lot harder. you can't just manufacture, you know, good nurses. Correct, yeah, which was interesting because we were, didn't we have like the GM plant creating ventilators? And we were lousy with ventilators out of this country. Yeah. And the problem was always that, well, who's going to run this machine? That's right.

That's right. Yeah. So anyway. All right. Well, listen, man. Uh-oh. Okay, I'll call him back. I'll let you go.

All right, man. Yeah, I got to go. My wife's called me, and I got the guy that I'm recording. demos and my thing. I think maybe he was supposed to come over tonight. All right. I let you go. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, yeah, man. This is a pleasure. Yeah, let's do the plugs again because that was at the beginning of the show. So check out Carl at Who Are These.com.

And by the way, I don't want a conspiracy show. I don't talk about COVID-19 and Ivermectin. It's a comedy show. We treat it like a roast. And it is hilarious. It's right. That's why I'm going to. bring you here instead of somehow me, us doing this on your show. That wouldn't work. Right.

Works on my show. Um, yeah, so, uh, Who Are These.com? Check out, just put in who are these podcasts in any of your browsers. And, uh, you will find the podcast there. Check out the creep off, which he does with Vinnie Palino, who I really like Vinny a lot. And, uh, he's a really funny guy. And, uh, are he going to be at the live show? He is.

He said to say hi, by the way. We recorded the show without you today. Okay, yeah, it was impossible. I understand. But we'll do that. But I really am looking forward to meeting Vinny at the live show, which is going to be in Lombard, Illinois. Check that out at WATP Live.com. Yes, August 28th.

I'm not even looking at a screen. I have this memorized. Look at you. Isn't that something? I mean, you are looking at a screen, but you might have memorized. I have nothing on here. I'm looking at my outro, so I just have these things memorized because I am a fan. I appreciate that very much.

I'm a ridiculous. man, I love that damn show. I love it. I love it. Can I ask you a quick question? Yes, of course. Have we decided when we're recording the creep off next week yet? Oh, well, I'm going to be on vacation. My wife will kill me. Oh, so we're not doing it next week. I got you.

Right, right, right. It's what I was, we'll talk, but I kind of need to do it when I get back. I misunderstood. Gotcha. Okay, cool. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, and I have a stupid one, but I've got a little bit at the beginning that might make it okay. So we'll see. But thanks for being here, Carl from WATP.

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