Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 491 - Dogs Love Ear Soup

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Dr Steve, Dr Scott, NP Mel B and Stacey (yes, THAT Stacey) return to the studio. Guest: Martin Hoke, the inventor of the NAVÄGE nasal irrigation system. Topics: Nasal irrigation using the Naväge device (Mel B does it LIVE) Stacey comes "clean" about his "radio bit" How canines are trained to find drowned humans Rotating injection sites and more! Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net (for all your StressLess and FatigueReprieve needs!) Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap!) CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I need a shot of that tequila. That's what I need, DJ Melby. So I am doing Valentine's. cameos where I'm wishing people a happy Valentine's Day with lots of fluids and secretions, but hopefully devoid of things like syphilis gonerie. And I list off a bunch of different venereal diseases. Thank you very much. And you're a gentlewoman and a scholar.

And also please check out our Patreon. Our Patreon.com slash weird medicine. We're going to have Mark Norman on this week. We're going to be doing some celebrity interviews on there. It's mostly just Tasey and me, but we're going to have other people in. This week, we have nurse practitioner Chanda, the Botox Queen, and she's talking about Botox and some other stuff like that. It was kind of fun. And vaginal rejuvenation.

Do you need any of that? Stacey. I'm just kidding. Because I was looking at DJ MLB when I said that, but see, threw in Stacey instead. That's comedy, though. You saw me throw a thumbs up. That is what we call improvisation. So anyway, all right.

Dr. Scott, you got anything about simply her balls to talk to us about? Believe it or not, I remembered your nasal spray. Oh, let's see what you got there. Can I give a little? Yeah, of course. Give it a little plug. Let me get you. There you go.

You're on camera. You just don't know it, but you are. It's delayed. You know that, right? No, just show it while you're talking about it. Yeah, this is the new edition of our. nasal spray family, the original one plus the CBD oil. That's mixed in there.

So I brought it for Dr. Steve to try out and give me some feedback. Okay, we're going to try that. And what this is useful for is when you don't have a Navaj unit nearby. There you go. Yep. Okay. Good stuff. We have with us today a very special guest, Martin Hoke, the president of Rhino Systems Incorporated,

the medical device company. He founded in 2007 to develop, manufacture, and distribute Navage Nasal Care, my favorite medical device, the innovative saline nasal irrigation system that he invented. Now, I sound like I'm a used car salesman right now, but I really do love this product. Hello, Martin, and thanks for being on the show. Hey, Dr. Steve, so good to be with you. Thank you, and thanks for having me on. So can I call you Martin or should I call you Mr. Hoke or Dr. Hoke?

Please, just don't call. Anyway, yes, of course, call me Martin. Don't call me, don't call me late for dinner. I get it. There you go. Oh, boy. So, hey, it's great to have you on. We talk about Navaj all the time on this show.

And I'm always given Dr. Scott Hacker. I did for a long time because he would talk about the nitty pot. And I've always said, if you want to see a bunch of people that look dumb, go, and this is nothing to do with the people themselves. It's just looking dumb is Google image netty pot, N-E-I-P-O-T, and everybody that does the netty pot looks dumb. So with this device, you look cool. So we're going to talk about that, but a lot of people don't even know what we're talking about. So, Martin, talk to us a little bit about nasal lavage, hence the name, and why you invented the navage system itself. I'll be happy to.

So back in 2006, 2007, I used to suffer every single winter from multiple sinus infections. And I don't think that's that unusual, in fact, but this particular winter was. was really bad for me. And I was on my sixth Z-Pack, three-pack. And it actually gets depressing after a while. Because you just feel like you've lost control of your life. A friend of mine says, why don't you mix some salt water up and sniff it up your nose.

And I said, instead of saying you're trying to drown me, which is what a normal person would do, I actually said, OK, of course, I will. I will. Immediately. I jumped in the shower. I did it. And I got, I got immediate relief. I mean, I literally, I had no idea. All this stuff that comes out, you know, and if you're really congested, which you are on your sixth sinus infection. Yeah. So I found, I didn't know anything about this. And it's just exposing the, the interior of the nasal cavity with saline, with normal saline, 9 tenths of 1% normal saline. So I looked into it. And I tried to find out about what was going on. And that's when I learned about netty pots. That's when I found out about Oprah Winfrey doing the netty pot thing on her show with Dr. Oz.

And I tried that. And then I tried the squeeze bottle. And the netty pot. Man, that was really hard for me. For people who don't know what a netty pot is. Well, Scott, you're the netty pot genius. talk a little bit about, give us 30 seconds on the netty pot. You pour too much in, you drowned.

Well, okay. That is not helpful. It's not helpful at all. Very technical, very technical. Well, he gave me 30 seconds. What did you expect? Well, that was three seconds. Oh, yeah.

Well, you know, of course the theory is like he's talking about. You attempt to wash out your head and your sinuses with this netty pot thing, and it's pretty hard to do. What is it? I mean, it's describe it for people. You know what? It looks like if you could easily mistake it for a little. you know, Japanese tea teapot. It looks like you put water in it and get nice and hot,

and then you literally look like instead of pouring your green tea into your shot glass, you're pouring this solution up in your nose. And it's not really easy. And you have to turn your head sideways, and the trick is you want to put it in the top nostril, have it somehow drain out the bottom nostril. Allegedly, yeah. And that's not always easy doing.

Everything's all clogged up. And the other thing, Martin, when you did this first saline, did your friend give you any proportions, or are you just, I mean, you know, if you take a tablespoon of salt and put it in a tablespoon of water, you're going to have a problem. Yeah, he said something to the effect of, you know, mix up a little bit like half a teaspoon or so in about eight ounces of water. Well, of course, that's all wrong, too, unless you want a super hypertonic solution.

I didn't know any of that then. You know, ignorance is bliss, Steve. It's really, it's a beautiful thing. It is. And I just, I went along for the, on the program. You know, a drowning man will grab for anything. Sure. Yes.

Watch out. I'm going to grab all of you all of you all. I tried this. I tried the netty pot a total bust. I mean, I did it, but I'll tell you, sniffing water out of my palm was a lot better than the netty pot. And the, and then, so the other thing, I actually come from a medical background.

My dad was a surgeon. My grandfather was a general practitioner. I couldn't do well. and I could never figure out chemistry. And so I became a lawyer. And in all of this, we're all have to tighten up, man. We're going to have to tighten up.

I'm just kidding. So in all of this, you know, I mean, all my cousins, all these doctors, nobody had ever mentioned saline nasal irrigation. I'd never heard those work. I'd never sniffed salt water up my nose. I might have been, I might have gargled saltwater maybe. But, you know, my dad was a cutter. He was a neurosurgeon.

And it's, you know, it's a different thing. I mean, it's not like, is it Scott? Yes, yes. With, you know, I mean, you know, clinicians and with medicines different. I don't know. Anyway, I'm babbling. But the point is, the point is that I had never. in well on this show then.

And it was a complete revelation to have something so simple be so incredibly effective. So I got to thinking about it. And I'd done a bunch of other stuff, and I was sort of between opportunities. And I thought, you know, there has just got to be a better delivery system for saline nasal irrigation, because this therapy is so incredible. And, you know, and I didn't even know the half of it at that point. I just thought it was just for chronic rhinocinocytis. I just didn't even know.

Yeah. That's where we went from. Well, I'll let you know. One of the reasons that I'm a big proponent of Navaj is because since 1989, when I graduated from residency, I've been recommending ocean nasal spray. It used to be that was the one back in the day. And then simply saline down the road. So for 30-something, however, how many years is that?

I'd have to do Howard Stern math to figure that out, but it's been a while. 33. Thank you. 33. I'll give you one of these. Give yourself a bill. So 33 years, I've been recommending nasal saline, and then I saw this thing. And I wanted one, but it wasn't until I walked into a local chain,

drugstore and had the same kind of deal where I'd had some sinus thing going on forever because, you know, the fall months for me are just torture. And I was desperate, and they had the darn Navage. It wasn't mail order anymore. It was just on the shelf, and it was under 100 bucks. I mean, I think it was $89. And it turned out to be the best $89 that I've ever spent, so I love this thing. And as a matter of fact, we have N.P. Mel B. is going to do it today after you and I get off the phone.

Just in case we have a mishap, I didn't want that happening while we had you on the phone. That would be embarrassing. But anyway. So let me ask you something. You mentioned more than just for sinus infections. Tell us why nasal hygiene is important. And then I think Stacy had a comment for you, too, when you're done. But, you know, why would we use it for something other than, say, a sinus infection?

Well, there are a number of things that it's known to immediately give relief to, and that's congestion caused either by flu, cold, infection, or allergies. In addition, it just helps you breathe better through your nose, which is one of bad nose breathing, going to mouth breathing, is an indication for snoring. So it's not all snoring is caused by that, but the majority of snoring is caused by going from this typical pattern of nose breathing

when you lay down to mouth breathing. And if you irrigate before you go to bed, then your conchye, your turbinates are, they're trunk, and you've got more air space in the nasal cavity. So you've got those things, but I think that the, Really what I've, what I've, I've come to believe, and I've been doing this really for a long time now, which doesn't make me necessarily smarter, but I have a lot of experience with it.

And the conclusion I've come to is that really this is the third pillar of personal hygiene. And it's very similar to bathing, routine bathing, and toothbrushing. Bathing got into the mainstream in the 19th century, in the 1800s, toothbrushing in the 1900s, mid-1900s. It took the introduction of the invention of nylon and then World War II for, you know, and now like 98% of Americans brush their teeth at least once a day. But these things both, so the question is, what really improves health? Is it modern medicine or is it personal hygiene?

And, of course, the answer is both. They have a profound impact on why people live so much longer than they did even 100, 120 years ago. And the thing about hygiene is that what's really going on is what you guys, doctors like to say is that dilution is the solution to pollution. So if you can, you know, germs, germs. I love to live in these warm, moist, dark places. And so, you know, they multiply, they congregate, they do really well. And if you keep them cleaned, it's not a cure, it's not a drug, it's just thinning out that multiplicity of microbe buildup. And we do it every day in our mouths.

We do it every day on our bodies. and now there is a simple, really convenient way to do it daily with the nasal cavity. And it doesn't mean you're going to be perfectly healthy, but it means that you're giving your body a better opportunity to defend itself and to keep that air filter, which really is your nose. It's the first line of defense against germs that are airborne, allergens, all that stuff. It's what prevents them from the first line against going into the lungs. And if you can keep those germs thinned out and not as concentrated, you're just going to be healthier.

Yeah, this makes sense to me that if you've got allergens, particularly in your nose and you decrease the concentration through lavage of the nose that you'll have less inflammation, therefore less congestion. So it just makes sense. And I might add to that as well, the thing I love about the saline solution that he makes is it makes it even more inhospitable for these bacteria and viruses. You know, when you keep the nasal passage moist and it doesn't crack and it doesn't allow pathogens

to crawl up in these splits and create infections, it makes much, much easier to keep everything clean. That's a good point. Dry nasal packages, dry nasal passages, that crack are an entry point for bacteria and stuff. Stacey, were you going to say something a minute ago? Did you have something you wanted to say?

I mean, you always have something to say. Anything apropos to this conversation? No, I was just going to say that my parents are, my dad is originally from northern Mississippi, so they've got all kinds of weird things down there, like putting keroseneal mosquito bites. But one thing my grandmother used to make us do, if you had a head cold, was mix saltwater and snort that to flush that out. Oh, that stuff would burn, but it would clean you right out.

Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, that was 40 years ago. So another. And a ringing endorsement advice. That's right. Oh, yes. I'm here from the promotional side. It's really so.

And, you know, the netty pots, there's a fellow up at Wisconsin, Dave Robbago, who's a, anyway, he did a lot of research on this. And somebody sent him from. some temple art in a Hindu temple in India pictures of somebody using a netty pot in the Ayurvedic tradition like 7, 800 years ago, but people that live near the ocean, they would clean their nose out with just sea salt water, sea water. It's the same idea.

Well, my nose is always better. Been around forever. If I go to the beach and I'm swimming, my nose is always way better. My allergies are better. Everything's better. So, and the drinks are better, too. So have you considered doing any studies to prevent disease with this? Particularly, I'm thinking, I don't know, viral upper respiratory diseases. I just happen to be in my mind no particular reason. There's not anything going on right now.

Global pandemic or anything like that. But I just wondered, have you all thought about doing any sort of clinical studies for prevention as opposed to just treatment? Yeah, we've, it's a great question. And we've actually been, Navage was used in a study that was conducted by Dr. Amy Baxter at the University of Augusta Medical School of Georgia. And great results when you use nasal irrigation

immediately upon diagnosis of a, you know, a particular disease or problem or, you know, infection. And that sort of a treatment study is relatively easy to undertake. The prevention study that you're talking about, that is the holy grail of these studies. Sure.

It has not been done. It's a lot harder to do it. As you know, it takes a lot more people, it takes a lot more money, and it's just, I want to do one, we haven't done it yet, because ultimately, the other thing about this is that it's just like you need large numbers to prove or disprove the hypothesis, and the hypothesis here would be you're not going to get as sick. you're going to not miss as much work. You're not going to have as many trips to the doctor. You're not going to have as many prescriptions in a, you know, one-year time. Yeah, or whatever the end points are that you choose, right? Exactly.

And so you have to start with a group, and then you test one group for six months against a control, and then the control becomes the group that actually uses it. And then the problem that you've got there is that the group that was using it, a bunch of those people aren't going to want to stop using it because now they've become Nettipa, or not Nettipa, they become nasal irrigated. I can't believe I said that.

Shut my mouth. I'll beep that out. Anyway, thank you. So they become nasal irrigators. And then, you know, they don't want to quit. I'll tell you, we've sold over. over two and a half million of these Navaj nose cleaners now. And people just, the beautiful,

it's kind of like brushing your teeth and bathing in the sense that, yeah, you have all these benefits, but you also get this immediate gratification. It's its own reward with this refreshing ability to breathe deeply through your nose. These, you know, so we're pretty excited about it. Yeah, well, DJ Mel B is going to find out here in a few minutes. I'm terrified.

We're going to have to do a play-by-play because this is audio and you hate doing sort of visual things on radio. But I think this is worth doing because just the look on her face as she experiences this for the first time, it should be fun. For people, maybe they don't understand what we're talking about. This device, you put distilled water in the top, always distilled water. And they've got these little salt pods to make sure. that it's the right concentration. It will not work if you don't

put the pod in there properly. And then it makes properly no, don't. Oh, this is going to be good. She's, oh my God. That's why we love Meldry. That's why we love Maltby. No, she's trying to put tequila in it. Oh, no, God. Yeah, don't do that. She's just doing that as a warning to people, not what not to do. I see. Oh, good. And that's properly buffered saline and then you put this thing up to your nostrils there's two sort of what do you

call them nose pillows I like that okay that's a nice euphemism for what they really are but no it's they're nose pillows and it will shoot saline in one nostril and suck it out the other one which is the genius of this so you don't have to turn your head to the side or anything you're just going to put your head forward like you're smelling roses and hold that thing level oh this is going to be Hold this thing. Yeah, hold the device level. Yep, and you're going to do it just like that. That's right.

So we'll, we're going to, we're going to do that. Yeah, breathe naturally through your mouth and relax. If you're relaxed, I mean, it'll, it, the beautiful thing, it's technology, does it all for you. That's the cool thing. And what I do, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Mark. I'll sorry, I'll throw this in here. What I do is when the, when the saline is halfway down, I twist that thing 180 degrees, and now it'll shoot, suck out of, the nose, the nostril that it was...

It reverses the flow, thank you. Thank you. It'll suck out of the one it was shooting saline in and vice versa. So that's kind of fun. Are you going to do different flavors? Hey, Dr. D.D., we need a drum roll. Okay, well, we'll get one. So let's finish up with Martin, and we're going to do that.

Like I said, I don't necessarily want her doing this with him on the phone just in case something goes awry. Because he's already... I'm Tinder. He's already promoed the Nettipot, and we don't want to have any... Okay, so I have a question for you, Mr. Martin. Sure. How am I not going to drown?

Because these are air holes, not water holes. I'm not a fish. I think you have two doctors here that could pretty much take care of if something happened. How do I not drown? Mouth is free up here. We'll turn you upside down and drain it out. Vigorous chest massage. But no, let him answer.

Yeah, the short answer is your soft palate, because your soft palate will close and then your nasal cavity becomes a closed system. And what happens is that the nasal rinse, this isotonic saline, goes in, the one nostril goes all the way back to the back of the nose. There's a gap between the back of the septum and the rear wall of the nasal cavity itself. So it goes back one side of the nasal cavity around and through the posterior margin, of the nasal septum and then it comes forward again and out and the reason it doesn't go down your esophagus or or into your trachea is that is that the soft palate is closed and the only time

that the soft palate doesn't close is with with folks that are that are scared honestly and they're right there we go but I'm sure that that is not the case there's a vacuum it has a vacuum and the vacuum helps yeah and it'll pull it it'll pull it out the whole and it's pulling it out and I'll tell you something Scott the reason that some physicians feel that there is an advantage over an actual

technological advantage over the netty pot is that the Bernoulli principle is sucking across the ostea. Yes, sure. Right? Give yourself a deal. And it's pulling out of, it's pulling things out of, it's pulling the mucus out of the sinus cavities. And that's a big deal.

Yep. And so. And it collects in the bottom that it's separate from everything. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, and it all collects in the bottom there. And I actually, Steve, what you're doing, where you're reversing in the middle, that's incredibly conscientious. I never

do that. I might reverse, you know, the next day or something. Oh, yeah. No, that's fun. Hey, Martin. Dr. Steve's an overachiever, but he does. That's true. An overachiever. No, I love, I love it. I think it's a beautiful device.

I am smart. I am just smart. All right. I think it's a beautiful. Okay, one last question. When I put this thing up to my face, I mean, you're the only person in the country that's ever had the inventor of the thing get to get to get this is awesome. It's making me feel so much better about this. So when I put this thing up to my face and I turn it on, do I hold my breath? Do I breathe through my mouth?

Do I just keep doing it until I pass out? What's going to happen? Well, let me be completely candid with you. Yes, please. What happens the first time is it depends on the person. I can tell you that I could do it. I wish you could see me or my wife could do it or anybody that works with the company. I mean, we're all, you know, we do this twice a day every day.

That's what we do. It's just like, you know, brushing your teeth. And I can talk while I'm doing it. You know, I just breathe normally. I don't even think about it. Now, the very first time, again, it, For most people, you've used a netty pot, right? No.

She doesn't like to put anything in my nose. I do not even like nose spray. This is going to be fun. You know, there may be a learning curve. But the proper technique is just breathe normally through your mouth. And relax, I mean, you will not drown. I'm going to have her simulate it first. We're going to have her put it up to her nose and simulate it.

I'm going to have her breathe in through her mouth and out through her mouth and talk to us a little bit with the thing up to her nose. And then at some point in there, then you're going to just want to push it and keep doing what you're doing. And you'll see. And we put fresh batteries in here. That's the one thing that I've heard people. I had a couple people from this show that bought one and they said, well, the first time I did it, it went down my throat. I have never had that happen. And there's not a single drop has gone down my throat.

But if the batteries are low, it can happen. So we put fresh batteries in it, so that will not happen. All right. I think that the real key is honestly, it's about relaxation. I mentioned about talking. Don't talk while you're doing this the first time. I wasn't. It's just that after you've mastered it, it's very, very natural.

I mean, it'll seem like nothing. but some people they get it the very first time and other people it takes a few times okay well I have one last question for you why the double the two dots over the A in Navaj I mean it makes it so much harder to find the proper website on the internet I know I know you know why

I wasn't really thinking about the umlaut when we and its impact on the on the worldwide web when i came up with the name i it's really kind of for me it's it's it's an homage to hogendos ice cream um because i really loved their ice cream i don't like it as much today as i did 30 years later anyway never mind that but you know but i get i must get at least one letter from a professor every six months or so really very irate that we're improperly using umlaut It's cultural appropriation. That's right.

So it's like, and then they compare us to Motley Crew, which apparently misused the oomlaught as well. Of course. It just looked cool. So you can just say that. It's okay to say that. It makes it look like it's European. And we didn't want people.

It's cool. There was a part of me that, I mean, for Americans, they see that and they're not going to say Navage or Navage or something. You know, they're probably going to say Navage, because that oomlau does have an impact. but I don't know.

At some point, we may have to lose it. No. I don't like it. I don't like it. Steve, I don't want to lose it. Okay, then don't lose it. Then it's your thing. You keep it if you want to.

We love it. All right. Well, listen, it was great talking to you. We're going to have NPMLB do this now. And we really appreciate you being on. I appreciate your staff working with us, and particularly Elise, and who I think is watching live. And Martin Hoke, President of Rino Systems and Corporate. the medical device company that distributes and created the Navaj nasal care system.

Thank you for being on our show today. Hey, Doc Steve, Doc Scott, DJ Elm Elm, get it on. Anyway, thank you all. Having me. Hey, great to have you, man. Thank you for the tips. Take care. Okay.

You bet. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. All right. What a good guy. I mean, that was the real dude. Yeah, that's cool. He's in the great. That's very cool.

Yeah, very nice. Okay, so let me get that meeting ended. All right. Are you ready to do it? No, I'm terrified. So I'm going to, are you going to? Oh, we're going to take bets on that how many chunks are in the bottom? No, please don't.

Okay, so respiratory stuff. I can handle blood, guts. Yeah. No, I'm the same. Your entire intestines could be on this table and I'd be fine with it. And shit, no problem. If you hawk up a loogie, I'm going to go the other way. Yep, no, I get it.

I can't stand it when patients are like, well, you're not going to hawk up a loogie, you will know. never be able to again because you're going to have clean nasal passage. So the first thing you want to do is take the distilled water and fill it up to the line. And we're going to give you play by play because this is a, you know, an audio show. So we're pouring the water into the fill line. Yep. There you go. Stop. Okay. Now take the pod. Do the saline pod first. That's this one. Yep. And you can see there's a shape to it. So put it with the foil side down with the shape in the correct

Foyle side down. Foyle side down, yep. Like that. Yeah, it only goes one way. That's like one of those fancy coffee pods. That's right. Now, close the lid and the saline

will kind of close it until it snaps. There you go. Now, the saline is already mixed and it's ready to go. Now, take the device and what you want to do is put it up to your nose

and we're not going to do anything yet. Okay. You see where the button is, right? This? Yeah, that's it. That's the button. Yep, that's the button. All right.

So if you push, the button in halfway, you'll just get suction. And if you push it in all the way, you'll get the full Monty. So for right now, just put it up to your nose and just talk to us for a minute because I know you are kind of nasal phobic. You're not going to need that towel. You're going to do great. Just in case.

If you yank it away from your face while you're pushing the button, you will need the towel. You'll need the towel at the end. Okay. So I'm just going to put it up to my nose. Just put it up to your nose and just the two little pillows into my nose. I was going to call them nose nipples, but yeah. This is so weird. That's what I was going to call them, but I have nose nipples up.

Yeah, and just, so you want to put your head forward like you're sniffing roses. Okay, I think I'm going to have to take my glasses off. Okay. Fair enough. Ooh. Okay. All right. All right.

All right, so put it up to your nose. Okay. Okay, and just talk to us for a minute. All right. Yep, and level. And level. You can tell it's level because you can see the water. Okay.

I feel like I'm just looking across that. Now, what you want to do is go ahead and take your finger and push that thing in, just the button in, just a little bit, until you can sort of hear the motor kick in. Let me turn this off. All right. You got it? There you go. Now, don't stop, though.

Don't stop. Push it all the way in then. Keep it on there. Go for it. See, now you have saline in your nose and you're not sucking it out. So you need to keep running it now. Okay. So do it sort of halfway and you'll feel suction and then push it all the way in.

There you go. Now push it all the way in. Just push it all the way in. Is there water? No, there's nothing. Okay. Oh. Is there saline going into the bottom, Stacey?

I can't see. Yes. We have success. Okay. So she is crying. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can't. I think we got some diamonds in there.

Oh, my God. Let's see what's in there. Oh, there's some business. Yeah, look at that. That is so gross. That's the whole point is that was in you, and now it's not in you. Oh, you did good mail. Are you seriously not going to do anymore?

Yeah, go to in a minute, but I need a break. You got a drain first. Okay, so the key to that is to. Oh, my gosh, my head is like. Does it feel good? Yeah. It feels really open. Yeah.

Okay, now I want to do some more. Now you want to do some more. I want to do some more, but I need a minute. Okay. That feels so... It feels like it's sucking my brain itself. Yeah. That's what's great about it.

The suction part is the part I like because that gives you confidence that it's not going to go down your throat. Like, I don't think I've breathed this well in a really long time. Okay. Do it again then. Okay. You've only got about half of it. You're right. Star status.

You're going to change flavors? No, it was. She can't have in the middle of it. Not in the middle. I got to do the rest of this. You can do it. You can do it. So, back up tomatoes.

Should I turn it the other way? Yeah, yeah, turn it the other way. There we go. Okay, so she's rotating the nose nipples, 180 degrees. So it's going to suck and blow opposite. That's right, exactly. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Here we go. Hold it level. There you go. Is it level? Yep. Mm-hmm. so she's pushing the button

are you getting saline a little bit okay push it harder there you go I see it pouring in there now oh you're doing that you're rolling baby now let it go ahead and empty all the way and then it will suck the residual out there you go now it's going to suck all the residual out you got that last bolus of there you go now you can pull it away and you're done

it's that quick you did great I do what is bad because I do what to expect. There you go. Like he said, oh, look at the stuff in there. No, I don't want to look at the stuff in there. Hold that up to the camera. Okay.

Well, let me have it. I'll have it. I can't reach it to it. Okay, I can hold it up to the camera. Can they see it? I don't know. It's still dripping. There you go.

Good job. Good job. All right. That is disgusting. You didn't know you had it in you. Literally. Do you want to get that out of in front of you? Do you want to hand it to me?

you're not looking at it. I just, okay. Stacey will drink from that later. That's the second half of the bit. That is really gross what's in there. Yeah. But my head, okay, that is the weirdest feeling. It feels like my eyeballs

are going to suck out of that. Yeah, that's because you're not used to suction in your nose. That's the thing. So what his genius was was rather than using gravity was to use suction. Yeah, that was really awesome. So in one nostril out the other, don't any of it go down

your throat? Do you even feel salt on your tongue right now? You might because you stopped. When I stopped, I didn't. I felt it. It was like going down my throat. But I think that was just I stopped. Just don't abort it once you start. Don't stop. Or if you're going to stop, let off on the

button a little bit so you'd just get suction. Yeah, but it did go down my throat just a little bit when I stopped, but not the second time. I was more relaxed. He was right. Like I could tell when I relaxed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he ought to know.

He's a smart guy. He's pretty funny. He sounds like he's done that once or twice. He's a fark smaler. I mean, smart fielder. He's a real farts mailer. You're enjoying breathing now. I can.

I feel like everything's really open. Okay, so what I would like for you to do is now that you have this thing, and I'll give you a few of the eucalyptus pods. Do it a couple times a day or at least once or twice a day. And then when you come back in three weeks, because we're doing three week rotation with you guys, let us know. if you can tell any difference. Okay. Okay. All right, awesome.

I think I know what everybody in my family is getting for Christmas next year. Okay. There you go. Now, Stacy, we have Stacy Deloche in the studio today. Yay. A round of booze for Stacey. Oh, no. So, Stacy.

Sent you a story the other day. DJ Mel B. doesn't know anything about all of this. But Stacy. Just as well, Mel B. Pulled. We don't want to. pulled a trick on us and got us

got me in hot water with some of the fans and including your wife yeah including my wife and got Stacy in hot water too and the thing is listen have you ever seen Dr. Strange Love

the movie? Yes. Okay so at the end of the movie the Russian ambassador says if this nuclear weapon goes off because they've been trying to stop this nuclear weapon And all the fail-safe stuff has failed. If this goes off, we have a doomsday weapon that's going to sterilize the whole surface of the earth.

And the American president, who is Peter Sellers, says, what good is a doomsday weapon if you don't tell anybody about it? And they were like, well, you know, it's not a deterrent. If nobody knows about it, they said, well, we were going to announce it at the, you know, next month at some meeting or something. So a radio bit doesn't do anybody any good if you don't let anybody in on it. So I'll give you this. Anyway, if you want to, you have the floor, sir, because this is the first time you've been here since all this went down. So you said you wanted to. I'll own it.

It doesn't scare me to own it. You got no choice but to own it. No, no, I could deny it if I wanted to. But I'll own it. No. So was there anything in particular you wanted to talk about about that? Or can we just now lay this to rest that you were being a shithead? And I kept talking about it because I wanted people to understand what you did was something that people have done.

As a matter of fact, there were two nurses in New York that got busted for selling fake vaccine cards for people. No, they sold real vaccine cards. They just did not give somebody the injection to validate. And I think was their thing, were they charging for? They were getting paid $150 to $250 per card. They were marketing it among friends. That's how I knew about the story in another state. Did the people who got the vaccine, did they think they were getting the vaccine?

No, they didn't give them in the injection or anything. Okay. So they knew. Law enforcement. Okay. Undercover law enforcement went in several times and they bought a, heart. I know in all honesty, hand on a stack of Bible, several people which have done that, which is kind of what prompted me having a little radio bit here.

Yeah. Well, it was a good bit, and I'll tell you, I kind of appreciated it at the time I still do if I'd known about it. It might have helped, but maybe not. Maybe not. I might not have had such an honest reaction to it, but I wanted to keep it going because I wanted people to understand that if you think that you're going to some constant, And they're only letting people in with vaccine cards that somehow you're safe, you're not. No. Look at all the breakthroughs. Oh, yeah.

Well, that too. But, right, this is before we knew about all the breakthrough cases. But there were tons of people who were getting these vaccine cards, real vaccine cards, without actually getting the vaccine. And they can flash those at the concert venues and they just let them right in. You know, you're not protected from that. If you think that's going to do it, it isn't. And that's why, you know, I've got issues with mandates. I've got issues with the way that we have this ID card that will get you in certain things.

And certain people can't get into those things. You know, I don't like that. The only way that you're going to verify that is do blood work. And I'll be damn talking about somebody authorization to do blood work. To see if you have the antibodies and everything else to go into a restaurant for dinner. Well, what you really need is the blood work would be great, but you need a PCR. test. So one that is super accurate, that

is cheap and you can do it in two minutes while people are waiting in line. That's really the only way that you can guarantee. When I had COVID. And even then, that will knock out people who pose no danger to anybody just because they've got residual viral RNA. Do you know how

long when you had, so DJ Melby, I don't know why I call you DJ Melby, but it sounds better than NPMLB. It's a mouthful. Did you get a PCR test after it? Because you had long COVID. I mean, you had two to three months worth of symptoms. I did.

Did you have a PCR in any of that? No, I didn't. Okay, because, you know, you probably would have been positive at some point. And that's why I tell people, don't keep testing yourself. When your symptoms go away and when after the five days, if your symptoms are gone, you wear a mask around people for the next five days, stop testing yourself. because we have I know people who have been stuck in other countries

because they do a test they've got residual RNA and they're completely asymptomatic they're totally fine they can't get out of the country because you've got to have a quote unquote negative test so there's flaws to all of this stuff

anyway significant flaws that doesn't mean we don't try to be careful and do some things that science makes sense but anyway was there so you don't I let the story, I let the radio bit run for six months. And it's no fun unless you actually close it down. Okay. Well, thank you for closing it down.

You're the best. You get nothing. You lose. I just wish that you had played. I wish you had played some of the calls that you had where people agreed with me. Okay. You're not wrong about that. I did have two.

I didn't play a tenth of the ones that called saying go. you know, hey, Dr. Stie, why are you letting this asshole on the show and all this stuff? But, you know, every single one of those I responded to, I said, I think this is why, because I just want people to know that this is a thing. And that vaccine cards by themselves are not going to guarantee safety. And that was the thing. A piece of paper won't protect me? How dare you?

That's a good point. But anyway. So, anyway, so. Yeah, because I figured it was time to close this one up when, you know, the two nurses, one point two million dollars. Yeah. It's what they estimated at. That's what they cleared off of that in New York just because according to the article, you know, they were being issued syringes that were linked to the COVID cards, I guess QR codes and everything else.

Oh, really? Yeah, and they were just shooting it in a bottle of water or something because they don't know where the vaccine went to. Yeah. It's just two people in a room. So even though they were QR coding the syringes and all this stuff. Yeah. Because I know when I tried to help a friend get into the country who lived in New York that was living in Canada, it was tough. I mean, the things you had to go through to get them to accept a Canadian vaccine card was astounding.

Right. I mean, to let somebody get back into the state. So that was crazy. The fun part was is the white nights that got involved. Yeah. Karen's children to do. decided they wanted to try to come after me okay well okay well i mean you did portray yourself i did but they needed better vpns oh really yeah because it's not hard to tell who they were

okay so now you're gonna docks oh jesus right no not now just make it worse just let it go hey how about any questions for us out there dr steve from oh oh are there any anything in the chat room about old stacey deloche no but there's there's a huge talk about how wonderful Melby is. Oh, she has wonderful. She is wonderful. Oh, is that really? Yeah, they're talking about how they're saying. Well, I told them you were in an inspiration all for getting it out and taking it. And they said that you did really well, awesome job.

And oh, look, sucks and blows. Yeah, of course. Well, when he said that, I just, you know, it took everything I had to not, you know. And all of them, you know, all those things. Did you miss this part here when I went like this? Oh, shit. Damn, don't hurt her. All right.

Stop with the visual humor. This is a radio show. It is radio. All right. Anyway, well, we should probably take some medical questions. We have anything else for Stacy on this? You're obviously forgiven. He brought us boudan balls for Mardi Gras.

And a king cake. And a king cake, which I am taking to my staff up in Virginia tomorrow because I've got to drive all the hell the way up there. It doesn't matter. All right. Oh, this is one for NPMLB. How about that? Yeah, that's a good one.

Hey, Dr. Steve. How you doing? Hey, good, man. I have a question about those of us who have to do intramuscular injections. I'm doing TRT, and I do two injections per week. So he's doing testosterone replacement therapy. That's what TRT is. I've read that some people are building up scarring where their injection sites are.

I've been rotating, you know, left cheek, right cheek, and then left thigh, right die. And so far, I don't notice any issues. Do you have any advice about that overall? I can help. How do you give yourself an injection in the cheek and do it right? because the place where we recommend that people inject is not really accessible. I do it. Or not easily.

I can do it, I guess. I just couldn't stick a needle in myself. Okay, well, talk about it. And then we'll let Scott jump in. Sticking a needle in myself? No way. No, this guy, the question that he had. Yes, I would recommend rotating.

Okay, because. Well, because of that scar tissue and anytime you put anything sharp in your body, you know, you're poking a hole in it, and then it has to heal itself. It's not going to be the same. Do you have a particular rotation regimen that you would recommend? No, just rotate. Okay. I know I give shots to my sister-in-law, and I'll do, I'll alternate them.

I'll do one butt cheek one week, and then the other butt cheek the next week. You want to talk about the proper place to put it if you're going to put it in your butt cheek, because that is important. Yeah, the hip bone, your Iliac crest right there, you're going to put your middle finger on it. spread your fingers like you're making a piece on your index finger and your middle finger and you're going to go in the middle of the V so your middle finger would be on if you were doing it on your right cheek

your middle finger on your right hand is going to be on your Iliocrist make the V stick it right in the middle of the V okay what I always did and tell me what you think about this is I would put my I would make my hand into a C and then

put my middle finger on that Iliac crest, you know, the side of the, you know, just above the hip. Thank you. Take care. Oh, and can you use this for the podcast? Thanks. Sure, dude. And then wherever my thumb hits, wherever my thumb hits is where you put the injection.

Yeah. That might be a little far, but from what I learned. And there's different ways. It's a greater trocatter. He is a greater trocatter. He has teeny little hands. And he does like a thing. I'm not. I've had monstrous hands.

I would have you come over here and do it, but then, you know, it would be kind of inappropriate. So I'll do it on Scott later. But I guess, you know, it's that place, you know, the greater trocanter of the hip. Yeah. The hip bone. It's where your butt muscle, where it just starts to stick out. You want it in that meaty part. Right.

But closer to the middle because there's no nerves and veins and arteries right there. And that's the thing. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I think we've thoroughly. confuse people. I know I'm thoroughly confused by our own description of this, so I'll put something on the YouTube channel about how to probably do this.

We always recommend people just do it in their thigh. If you're going to do it in the thigh, where would you do it? I would do it right on the top. Right on the top? Yeah. If I were giving it to myself. Not on the middle part. No. If I were giving it to myself, I would give like right in here. But if you're

doing it on somebody else, I usually go on the side. Okay, so, but you could rotate there. So, you know, front, right, front left, middle, middle, right, middle left, you know, and then you'd have six sites just on your thighs. Scott, you were going to say something. Yeah, I was going to say the reason that happens, it's the same reason why, and trigger points, they don't like doing a lot of trigger points.

The needles are big, and, you know, the gauge is big on these testosterone shots for the most part. They're like 22-gauge needles, and they're big needles in a car. They do cause scarring in there, so it's easy to get some scarring in that deep, heavy muscle. So moving around is good. Yeah, I just try not to use the same exact entry point every time. Yeah, and you should, and that's the only thing I wish that we could fix about testosterone was making it more of a water-based injection. Yeah, but then you'd have to do it every day.

No, no, I know. That's the problem. Okay, so Dr. Scott, before we get out of here, do you have any questions from the chat room? Yeah, we do have one. It's from Cardiff Electric. Excellent. He's our boss, by the way. Oh, okay. So he owns the network that we're on.

And Godspeed, Cardiff Electric, he got his studio back together after the brutal attack by another podcast group. So I weigh myself every night before bed. And again, once I wake up, sometimes my weight has gone up. Sometimes it has gone down. Why is that? For real? That's his question? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Stop obsessing. No, the hell has frozen over. I mean, the Andy Kaufman of podcasting actually asked us a real question. I love it. Okay, so yes. Yes, sir, I have the same issue, and it is, it's fluid. Fluid.

There you go. It's fluid. It's always fluid. It's always fluid. I can make weight pretty easily by just not drinking beer. the night before because I tend to retain fluid when I do that and by drinking water and stuff and then voiding my bladder completely in the morning and you can lose you know if you if you piss out a liter that's 2.2 pounds right there so and it all has to do with how much salt you've eaten

what you've been drinking what you've been eating if you've retained a lot eating salads and stuff like that that you're evacuating quickly where you've got really fast transit time through the colon so you don't have food that's just hanging around in there and adding to your weight also will cause you to lose weight the next day but you're not losing fat

what we're interested in is losing fat I could care less really if I'm losing weight so there are non-scale measures that you can use to see if you're trying to lose weight which we use a shorthand for losing fat and those are things like

your measurements changing and your body fat changing. I have a withings scale that tells me my body fat measurement, and I love that thing, and it'll tell you your total body water, too, and you can watch it go up and down with your weight, but what you're wanting to do is see that total body fat go down. So, excellent question. Thank you.

Excellent. Yes, thank you, sir. Fluid. Yes. Did you listen to Jim and Sam yesterday? I did not. I'm going to be. listening tomorrow though because I'll be on the road because they were talking about a new

little thing about a little card now that's come out that you can present to your doctor that says please don't weigh me because I don't want to be body shamed by my doctor oh my god it went on for a while but apparently this is a new thing because they're I don't want to be offended by finding out I'm too heavy and by the way I also have to give consent it's not body shame well you have to always give consent somebody can refuse to be weighed that's no problem problem, true. Don't you get consent when you walk through the door? No. No, no, no, no. No, no. You have a good, I agree with you. You would think you would. I mean, I know you don't, but you would think you would.

Well, I mean, I can't make you do. Right. I can't drag you onto the sky. You just say, if you're so heavy, I can't throw you on the scale, then there's going to be an issue. Just say, I don't want to be weighed. And that's fine. But here's a thing. I don't get this business where all of a sudden morbid obesity is healthy. It's not. I'm sorry, increased risk of heart attack and stroke, increased risk of obstructive sleep apnea and therefore Pickwickian syndrome. So you can live a long time and be morbidly obese. I've known people that do that.

You can live a long time and smoke cigarettes. I've known people that live to be 90 smoking cigarettes. Here's the problem. We don't have a blood test that you can do on someone that says you can smoke until you're 100 and you'll be fine. When we have that, then we can do that. And then we can tell this group of people, you just go smoke all you want to. And we won't say anything to you about it because you have that gene marker that says you can smoke and you'll never get cancer or heart disease. But it looks like somebody that's 70 years old and they smoke for the last 60 years and they're at 70.

What are you going to do for them at 70 by having to quit smoking? I don't know. I mean, it does increase your life expectancy if you quit smoking. Okay. It also, a 10% drop in your weight if you are morbidly obese. So if you're 600 pounds, you drop down to 540, you can decrease your risk of sudden death as well. So there are reasons to do it. And nothing.

But I don't think we should call people, you know, fatty pig fatty and tubs of lard and stuff like that. I agree. I mean, it's funny, it's funny, but still. Yeah, you shouldn't fat shame them, but telling someone that if they lose weight, they will decrease their risk of sudden death, to me, is not fat shaming. No. And here's the other thing, especially for you two, is to consider with patients that come. If you can't weigh on. Oh, I thought you were calling us fat.

No, no, no, no, no, gosh, no. Think about, you know, prescribing medications. It really helps if we know how much somebody weighs so we can kind of dose them. Oh, you know, that is. And that's very important. you one of these. By God, Dr. Scott. Hey, I get a bill. You get one. Give yourself a bill.

Because there are medications that we have that are weight-based. Very specific. Especially like a thyroid medication. Certain, we dose things by milligrams per kilogram of things. Yeah, that's very important. Particularly in the ICU, we do things milligram per kilogram. Now, James Gregory used to have a bit where they were asking people. He was going on a puddle jumper from one island like Antigua to somewhere else,

and they would ask people how much you weighed. And he said, I know these big fat ladies are just lying about it. It's like, I ain't going to tail in my weight. And it's like, well, why are you asking these people what their weight is? They say, so we know how much gas to put in the tank. And it's like, fill her up. Nope. All your luggage is weighed.

You will still, because I've did this for years, flying out to oil platforms, doing salvage work. Yes, you will stand on the scales. You will be weighed. All your bags will be weight. And once they're sealed and you're not allowed to touch them. Yeah. Because they had to calculate how much fuel to put it in there to fly out and make it back.

Yeah. And we used to do that in Alaska, too. Well, his point was just filled up the tank and then you don't have to worry. But you want to know that you've got enough. It really does make a difference. Yes. You know, so anyway. It's very important.

All right. Yeah, I don't get that one. I'm probably catch hell for that. But listen, like I said, I don't want to shame anyone. That's not, I'm not in, I mean, we joke around, but I'm not in the business of shaming people. But I guess I'm just repeating myself, but I just don't think that telling someone that there are risks, I mean, if I tell someone, because you're continuing to smoke, you're at risk of heart attack and stroke. Am I smoke shaming them? I mean, it's, I don't think that's shaming.

That's giving medical information. I'm trying to... Enlighten them. It's what we get paid to do. That's our job. Well, yeah, okay. It's like going to the mechanic and them telling you. What's wrong with your car?

What's wrong with your car and how to take better care of it? Soldiers in World War II said I was just following orders too. So that's not a good enough reason. But I think that we're really attempting through science and evidence to provide people with the longer life that will give them a better quality of life. and there's no shame in that. No. So, all right.

Anything else? I'm not to say the last three years. Not the personal. I don't want you taking care of me the last three years. I'm going to run wild and go into the grave screaming. You know, I have said the same thing that I quit smoking, but when I get a terminal illness, I'll smoke again. But that was just a way to fool myself into saying so long to cigarettes, not goodbye.

And now if I get a terminal illness, I'm not going to smoke. No, I'm going to try a heroin. I will have sexual congress with anybody who will have me, though, if I have a terminal illness. I'm just telling you that right now, and I'm telling my wife that, too. I won't smoke, but I will, I'm going to go ham. So you want your headstone to read? You came and went at the same time? I guess.

I don't know. That's terrible. You'll never believe how long I've saved that joke to use it. That's a good one. As far as practical jokes are concerned, we've had James Byrd on the show. He was the guy that came in second in the funniest person, the Tri-Cities competition, but he owns a company called, or owned a company called Restore Life USA, which DJ Melby knows. And what they do is they take people's bodies when they're done with them, and they do medical research.

and then they cremate the body and give it back to the family within 30 days for the family you get a free cremation it takes 30 days to get it but you get a free cremation and you get to advance medical science well I've already signed up for it just because the only reason I want to do it

is so that I'm just laying on James Bird slab naked and he's got to cut my knee out you know I just think that would be funny that's my last practical joke on him my uncle died from Lou Gehrer's disease so he donated his body. Yeah. Right here in East Tennessee.

Yeah. The military. Yeah. Donated it for science. But yeah, when I was in law enforcement, we went to the body farm. Oh. Yeah. We went to the body farm because I was a canine unit.

And I was helping Bradley County, which is near Chattanooga, trained a dog for cadaver research. So what we did is we went and got two fingers and an ear. Yep. Got a ketchup, one of the big ketchup squeeze bottles, put those body parts in there with saline. And then squirted it around places. Well, what we did, we were training the dog to find drowning victims, because as your body gasses off, those gases are going to rise to the top. Their oil base, they're going to collect on the surface. So what we were doing was training the dog, put the dog in a little skiff, a little, you know, flat bottom boat, and we would go out and start downriver and come up.

And then we'd have like 200 feet of a quarter inch hose with a weight on it and just sitting there pumping it, putting the surface, putting in water, and then it floats up. and watch the dog so he turns so now you know he's wind sending so once he turns on the boat you go back down you come back up

and you work a grid pagulate it right and that way you know plus or minus 10 feet where that body is then we put diverting down from there that's amazing yeah we've got body parts

there dogs are amazing I've ever seen somebody training dogs where they take those things and they shoot them into the lake and then they use hand signals

and the dog will turn around and look at them and they'll use hand signals to tell the dogs which direction to go and how far to go and they'll go retrieve. That's amazing. I handled, Cazon was my dog's name. He was a Belgian Malinois.

Worked in English, Dutch, German, silent hand signals and numbers. Wow. So I could talk to him just four. And we were willing to that knew what four men. Yeah. But he was aggressive alert, which means nobody trains this anymore. He would rip a car apart. Wow.

If he smelled anything. But he was utility, narcotics, and tracking, dual purpose. Well, my dog, when you guys came up here, the dogs followed you. and then I just went Ralphie Crate and they went right downstairs. That's the one word that they understand. But dogs are amazing. All right, let's get out of here.

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Many thanks. Go to our listeners whose voicemail and topic ideas make this job very easy. We really could not do this without you and it would be stupid if we did if you weren't there. Go to our website at Dr. Steve.com for schedules and podcasts of the crap. Until next time,

check your stupid nuts for lumps, quit smoking, get off your asses, get some exercise. We'll see you in one week for the next edition of Weird Medicine. Thank you.