Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 495 - Different Virus, Same Day

Episode Date: March 4, 2022

Dr Steve, Tacie, and Dr Scott discuss: Celebrity Doctors and Medical Ethics (Thanks to Tucker Dixon) Blowing on your hands Brainwave study suggests something weird about death? Post Covid brain zaps Can you have two viral infections at once? A guy with cold big toes Ol' Ramp Salt calls in! Check out https://www.wvrampsalt.com/ Please Visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net (now with CBD nasal spray!) Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap!) noom.doctorsteve.com (the link still works! Lose weight now before swimsuit season!) CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, mystery guests! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I was going to tell you a joke about dirt, but it's beneath us. What do you get when you cross a broken ice cream truck with impressionist art? Van Goo If you just read the bio for Dr. Steve, host of weird medicine on Sirius XM103 and made popular by two really comedy shows Opie and Anthony and Ron and Fez, you would have thought that this guy was a bit of, you know, a clown.

Why can't you give me the respect that I'm entitled to! I've got diphtheria crushing my esophagus. I've got Tobolivide stripping from my nose. I've got the leprosy of the heartbells, exacerbating my infectable woes. I want to take my brain out and blast with the wave,

an ultrasonic, ecographic, and a pulsating shave. I want a magic pill. All my ailments, the health equivalent of citizen cane. And if I don't get it now in the tablet, I think I'm doomed, then I'll have to go insane. I want to requiem. for my disease. So I'm paging Dr. Steve.

Dr. Steve. From the world famous Cardiff Electric Network Studios, it's weird medicine, the first and still only uncensored medical show in the history broadcast radio, now a podcast. I'm Dr. Steve with my little pal, Dr. Scott, the traditional Chinese medical practitioner, gives me street cred. The weirdo alternative medicine assholes.

Hello, Dr. Scott. Hey, Dr. Steve. And we also have a nice surprise. my wife Tacey, now newly retired. Hello, everybody. Hello. This is a show for people who would never listen to a medical show on the radio or the internet. If you have a question, you're embarrassed to take to your regular medical provider.

If you can't find an answer anywhere else, give us a call at 347-7-66-4-3-23. That's 347. Pooh-Hull- Us on Twitter at Weird Medicine or at D.R. Scott W.M. And visit our website at Dr. Steve.com for podcast, medical news and stuff you can buy. Most importantly, we are not your medical providers. Take everything you're here, the grain of salt. Don't act on anything you hear on this show without talking it over with your doctor. Nurse practitioner, practical nurse, physician assistant, pharmacist, respiratory therapist, chiropractor, acupuncture, yoga master, physical therapist, clinical laboratory scientist, retired drug rep, physical something, registered dietitian or whatever.

All right, very good. Don't forget, stuff. dot dr steve.com they must have accepted my explanation I never heard another thing about it so keep using stuff dot dr. steve.com please

uh you can buy anything that we talk about on the show most of the stuff that we've talked about and or you can just click straight through to amazon.com which is you know it's a great place to do your online shopping and don't forget Dr. Scott's website

at simplyerbils.net simplyerbils.net He's got some stuff there we'll talk about in a little bit and then please check out our patreon it's patreon.com slash weird medicine it's just tacy and me we started this when tacy was on the road with the idea that if we got to a thousand subscribers then she could retire from her job and to hell she just retired anyway i got retired well okay but anyway we're still would still like to have 1,000 subscribers.

Hell, Carl at WATP's got like 7,000 subscribers over there. It's amazing. Is that right? That's not right. It's 1,500. But, yeah, I'd like to have more subscribers than Carl does, but he really does have a pretty wonderful show over there. He's a marketing genius.

And they are doing a live show in Nashville in May, and your old buddy Dr. Steve will be there. So come say hello and I'll buy you a beer. It's all you got to do, just say hello. I need to know the date of that. Okay, so that you can... Tell you, you can't go. So that she doesn't go on vacation somewhere else while you're going on.

That's the only thing. Just don't go on vacation then because you're staying with our 17-year-old. Actually, he'll be 18, but... No, he'll still be 7. It may be prom night. Okay, that's good. I'll be glad to be going on. Good, get the hell out of here.

Anyway, and one of the things I want to do is take some people down to Prince's hot chicken, and then everybody, all the locals can laugh at us while we try to eat the stuff. Those boys from Rochester, like Vinny and Carl, are not used to that kind of stuff, so I'm going to definitely drag them down there if I can get them to go. All right. Sounds good. Check out Dr. Scott's website at simplyerbils. simply herbals.net.

And there you go. Especially now, it's getting allergy season. Yeah, so you actually have something. That nasal sprays, baby. Yeah, tell them about it. It's not a plug. You're just telling them about something you're doing. But, you know, I'm kind of a...

It's totally a plug. It's totally not a plug at all. I love our friends at Navaj talking about how the importance of the cleaning the sinuses out regularly, like you brush your teeth and wash your hands. hands to help with hygiene. Yeah, sure. So we do, we have our... So you're just stealing their idea.

No, hell at it first. I mean, their idea of their marketing idea. But totally stealing it. Yeah, yeah. Totally. Well, I'm sharing. I'm sharing it. I'm sharing, but I, I, um, we have the two, we have the, the, um, the CBD and non-cbdy

oil containing nasal sprays that work extremely well to wash out that. I've been wearing it out. There's already something blooming here and I don't know what it is. Yeah. But it is wearing me out. Mm-hmm. Well, if you go to Outback, it's the blooming onion. I think I got the relativism.

That would you mean. I cannot find this thing, but we do have a voicemail from Tucker Dixon, and I do want to take it because we were supposed to do it last time. Tucker Dixon does the recap on the creep-off for Vinny. And Carl, and he's a really good guy. And he had a question last week, and we didn't get to play it. And I just thought it was a good one just to stimulate some conversation. So, all right.

Then we've got to talk about it. Hey, Dr. Steve, it's Tucker. Just calling you and leaving the message from the Discord here, where my question was, with the rise of the celebrity doctor and the ease of getting into it through YouTube, TikTok, and everything else, what does the medical community think about these type of professionals going out there? I know there are some shysters out there like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz who are pitching their green tea or red yeast or whatever color and random object they have to sell some kind of herbal supplements. But there are some where I think their heart is in the right place. So like what's stirring this question is Healthy Ganger Gigi.

I think his heart was in the right place, but he was doing all. online therapy for streamers, which may not have been the best method, but I guess the crux of it is, is the medical community lagging behind and need to catch up? Or are these new doctors who are trying to become celebrities at the same time? Are they helping or hurting? That's a great question. And Tacey, hey, Tacey's here. Hello.

Hello. Sorry, I skipped you in the introduction. I don't care. I was just going to pretend that you just walked in, but actually, I was just, I screwed up. So, this show started off as an homage to Dr. Dean Adele. Dr. Dean Adele used to do an hour-long syndicated medical show, and he kind of finagled it a little bit. He would have people call in, and then the producers would call them back and get the information so he could do some research. search and then they'd call in the next day

and it would sound like they were calling live because he was always just on top of everything and it was interesting when I found out how he was doing it but I the thing about his show was it was real medical I never

heard him say anything that I would say oh that's bullshit and he stuck he stuck with the science and evidence and double-blind placebo-controlled studies and that kind of stuff.

But he did some interesting thing, like throat nuggets and stuff. That's where I learned about throat nuggets. We've done that a bunch on this show. Ooh, what's a throat nugget? Well, it's a tonsillet taste. It's when people who are adults mostly have crypts and their tonsils and food and bacteria get caught in there, and the body will try to wall it off,

and it makes these little sort of smelly, plastic, things. And when you open your mouth, you see these white dots and your tonsils if you still have them when you're an adult. And the trick is to get them out is to use a water pick. And so you water pick them out and then you're done with them. But people will poke them out with like a tongue depressor. And then if you get them out of your mouth and then squish them, they smell to high heaven. Yeah. Because it's just old yucky bacteria. But anyway, I learned some of that stuff from him. I was doing primary care, and I was learning things from this guy. I always liked a guy.

I really respected him. And so when I told Steve Carleazy about the show, I said, yeah, I want to do Dr. Dean, but I want to do it in a more fun way. He couldn't have a lot of fun. And they would have to say, you know, male genitalia instead of, you know, cock or, you know, junkal area or whatever. Or medical terms. He couldn't have any fun with it. Well, we can say, I mean, we can use real language that people use on this show. And he couldn't do that because it was syndicated on AM radio.

Matter of fact, there were certain calls that were off limits. And so I said the thing to Steve was I wanted to be completely uncensored. So if there's any question somebody asked, we can answer it no matter what language they use. And Tacey, you'll remember back in the beginning, our sort of thing was, I didn't want Just dropping a bunch of F bombs. But if the caller did, it was, you know, it was no big deal. It was vile. And you were sort of the enforcer on that when John, P.A. John would get out of line.

I remember one time he made some joke about the Virgin Mary or something. I'm like, okay, that's that's P.A. John, everybody. And you looked at him and you were like, what the fuck are you doing? So. He was pretty good at provoking. No, he was. he was funny he was my funny friend back then

so that's why he was on here and he had the orthopedic experience that I don't have so he you know he brought a lot to the show but so that was the original intent of course since then I've dropped

more F-bombs than can be possibly counted I think the show has calmed down a lot Steve it has calmed down oh yeah totally we're less shock jockery there's less shock jockery than there was back then But I'm still, so I don't care to drop an F-bomb now because I'm not worried about some of the other content that we're throwing out there.

Not worried about ever making any money off of it or anything like that. That's true, too. We gave up on that idea a long time ago. We certainly did. But after the first one, you and P.A. Jill and I and P.A. John went outside of the studio and W. 57th and looked up at the Parker Meridian, and we were thinking now, should we get a condo here? Or should it be, you know, it's like, Jesus. Because, you know, we knew how much money O&A were making.

We figured we'd make a fifth of that, which we would have been fine with. I could have quit my job if we'd made a fifth of what they were making. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Well. It was a fifth of a hundred dollars, right? Something like that. Yeah.

So, you know what, though? So back to Tucker. point, not making money off of this show, and just doing it for the joy of doing it, has made things easier for us to not fall

into what he's talking about. Because Dr. Oz is a great example. Mehmet Oz is a real physician. He is, was highly regarded in his field. And then

he gets hooked up with Oprah. And now he's then eventually, and he was still reasonably well respected. He was doing more like the kind of things that we do. He'd come on and talk about it some topic. Then he gets his own show, and he's making millions of dollars, has millions of viewers. And now he's got to come up with something every week. Every single week he's got to come up with something. Oh, every day.

Isn't he a daily show? I'm sorry, yes, but week after week. Well, he has a team of Ryan. Sure, but you can just talk about it. about, you know, what's best for your sinuses just so many times that people get tired of it. And so now I see that he's crept into things like red yeast rice and, well, you know, there's some evidence there. But some of the stuff that he has promoted on his show is just, frankly, malarkey. But he's run out of things.

And that's what people are interested in is malarkey. And so then when you get into that phase of it, yes, the medical profession has some things to say. about it. And there are some people who have, you know, in the medical profession that have called him out on this stuff. And we have, here, ourselves from time to time, when he said some silly things. And, you know, Dr. Drew catches some hell with the rehab, particularly celebrity rehab, where at times, and I don't know what's in his mind, it looks like there's some exploitation going on. Now, there's no question that he has. increased the discussion about rehab and increased knowledge about rehab, but at the same time,

you've got to have a show every time. And if you're going to, you know, which celebrities are we going to get this time? And we got to ramp it up and it's got to be more interesting this time than last time. So we need to show somebody really decompensating or whatever. And so the medical profession does have some issues with those kinds of things as well. You know, a show he does not have trouble with is botched. When Steve watches botched with me, I don't know if you've seen that, Scott's, where people get

plastic surgery to the point where they just need lots of help to undo it. So it's just gone poorly? Yes. With those two doctors, Steve will actually watch and not yell at the television. No, that is true. That is true. Most of the other shows?

Most of the times, they're fixing big giant breast implants. That could be why he's not yelling as well. Yes. He's like, how do I get into that? I know. No, I like those guys. They help people. And the yelling should be it to people that did the surgeries to get the folks to that point.

That's right. But I do like that, but that Dr. Pimple Popper, she, I'd just see yelling at the TV the whole time. She's the best. No, she's the best. By her. Oh, by far. Agree to disagree. Well, maybe disagreeing on the wrong thing, my friend.

Oh, okay. No, she, in that regard. I mean, yeah, you get a TV show. Yeah, you can just watch her and turn the volume off, and it's a great show. Okay, if you want to be, okay, Harvey. So it's 2022, but, yeah, I'm not a, well. I didn't say why. And it's just from time to time.

I see some of the techniques or, you know, anyway. So, yeah, people in the medical profession have some issues with celebrity doctors. There's no question about that. That's why I'm not a celebrity. And I know there are, some people are made fun of because, well, I don't have a big audience, but I want it that way. And you all know who I'm talking about. There's multiple people that talk that way. We're in a different situation.

I've got a real job. And so Tacey and I decided a long time ago that if I was going to do this and now we're doing it, that we didn't want to put ourselves in a position where we could lose the actual job where we're making money. And so, you know, I turned down a TV deal because I'd have to take 12 weeks off, and it was for no money.

And they said, well, you'll make money if it's a success. It's like, I can't jeopardize my family that way. And Bobby Kelly talked me through that one. He said, look, dude, you know, it's going to be for no money the first season. And you only make money if it's like a huge hit. And, you know, it's like I knew it wasn't going to be a huge hit. Even if he or some other people that we had that talked to were my co-hosts, you know, still I didn't have the confidence to just put everything on the line for that.

So I like just talking to who we talk to. You know, we've had the same 15,000 people downloading our podcast for the last X number of decades now. And I'm happy with that. I love our audience. One thing I've noticed is I've seen people posting in our subreddit, and they're like, well, this isn't a double-blind placebo-controlled study. Now, maybe they knew that before, but I like to think that they got some of this critical. thinking when it comes to medical information from our show. And I know our audience is very sophisticated when it comes to medical knowledge.

And some of that is just because that's, you know, we've disguised an actual medical show as like comedy, you know. So anyway. All right. Right. That's cool. What were we talking? Oh, Tucker Dixon's question. So, yeah, that's the thing.

What do you think about some of those TV doctors? taste what is this oh oh okay they're mine hmm I don't really have an opinion I don't necessarily like to watch them

yeah I do like botched botched is awesome those guys are really really good at what they do yeah I appreciate plastic surgeons yes I think I've seen one or two episodes of that I appreciate virtuosity wherever I see it and they are virtuoso Yeah, I don't really watch them.

I don't like to watch Dr. Pimple Popper. You know, when she first came out, I was fascinated by it, but that lasted a couple of days. Yeah. And then... It says, how many lumps can you see somebody remove? How many sebaceous cysts can you see somebody use an odd approach to? Now, she does help people with those. I mean, you know, she helps a lot of patients.

Yeah, no question about that. But, yeah, that's just not my thing. Okay. I can't find this phone call, so I'm hoping the guy will just email it to me. But it was good. I'll just tell you what it was. And then we've got some articles to do, and then we'll take some regular phone calls.

And then we'll hit the waiting room and see if they've got anything. We've got a couple of the other. This guy called in, and he said, if I get alcohol on my finger, it will burn, and I blow on it and it gets better. But when my hands are cold,

I'll blow on them and they get warmer. How does the body know which one to do? And the answer to that is that, and I'm sorry, dude, if I butchered your question,

that when you get alcohol on a cut and you blow on it, you're not actually changing the, well, you are changing the temperature, you're actually making it colder, but that's because the alcohol is volatile, you know, and when you blow on it, you're increasing its evaporation away from the wound, and when you finally get it to all evaporate away, the pain goes away because the alcohol isn't irritating the wound anymore. That's different. And then your breath is always going to be warmer than the ambient temperature if you're out in a you know sub-zero weather and and so you're you know there's really no disconnect there it's just two different phenomena so anyway it's kind of a cool

question i wish i could have found it good question all right what do you got dr scott well i've got two i've got two pretty good stories okay the one you sent me it is a it's the first ever recording of a dying human brain yeah i saw this shows shows brainwave similar to those with memory flashbacks. And the gist of this is... How do they get that, though? Well, yeah, it's kind of interesting. Can you get closer to your mic?

Yes, sir. It was kind of a sad story in a way that they had an 87-year-old gentleman that had recently begun having epileptic seizures, and they had got him in to do some testing on him. They're going to do an EE-E-E-G on him, hooked up his brain. Once they started running this essay on him. him. The poor guy has a big heart attack and dies. Oh, my goodness. So they left this, the EG running on him.

What? Yep, they evaluated the... Did they code him? They coded him. They did code him? Yeah, but ran the EG on him as he was dying. Well, you can't just rip those off. So for one thing, he's talking about...

And they take forever to get on. He's talking about a brainwave test. And those things are basically glued onto your scalp, so it's not like you can just rip them off, so it might as well leave him on. Yeah, because it would take a while to... But it was just an EEG, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just normally, they're just...

Well, I don't see how they could see anything with that. But go ahead, tell us. Well, they say that actually what they found them was that as he was dying, his brain started showing some strange oscillations, which you would see when someone is going into a deep meditative state or dream state. Which is kind of interesting. I want to see this. And, and...

I'm always very suspect with medical journalism because they get stuff wrong all the time. Well, even worse, even worse. I'm going to see the publication. Going back to our discussion we had a little while ago, remember we were talking, it's been shows ago, we were talking about how in medicine you guys have been able to, you've changed the definition of death. Yes. Kind of with each, not century, but, you know, with each. Well, no, with each new technology. Yeah, onset of new technology.

We defined it as stopping breathing. Then we got the ventilators. We just defined it as the heart stop beating. Then we, you know, develop C.P. are. Now our thing is, you know, absence of brain activity. Go ahead. Yeah, and that's kind of what they're saying. Now, they're saying that this might change how we look at death even further just because now, just because they're technically dead per today's standards, they're still having some kind of brain activity, which, and they, and it's kind of an interesting article. It's actually

really kind of fascinating because these doctors talk about not only, you know, how you, how, how you die and how it correlates to some of those dream states. But if you look at more of the spiritual, metaphysical side of things, you can really kind of say, what is it that you're seeing when you die? Are you having these flashbacks? My brother has a theory about this. I'd love to hear it because, well, his theory is that, and there's some science fiction people have talked about this as well, that when he dies, he thinks that his brain's going

to go into a state where it will, you know, like a hologram, all of the information will be there and you can work your way through it like Billy Pilgrim in Slaughterhouse-5 where he would live different parts of his life at different times. He became unstuck in time. And my brother thinks that that state will allow you to experience that basically forever, even though that the, you know, the chemical activity in your brain will stop because to you it will seem like an eternity. So that's kind of interesting. Of course, my brother's a weird out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, and if you think about it. His favorite thing to do is when he meets somebody new is fart and then laugh about it because it smells so bad. Oh, for God's sex. That's a true story. You remember that taste?

Smartest, you don't remember? No. The first time you met my brother and he basically shit his pants. And then you smelled the smell because they're always silent. Okay, I can't believe you can't remember this. And then he thought it was the funniest thing because you were like, what the hell is that smell?

And it's like, I smelled that my whole life. I know that the smell of his horrible bowel gas because he was older than me and he'd hold me down and then just fart in my face. It was so foul. There's something weird living in his colon. And we were in Canada once, and he passed gas in the cabin, and five adults and one 15-year-old went running out of that cabin as fast as we could get out of there because it smelled so bad.

Because if you didn't, you were going to puke. Anyway. Okay. Anyway, go on. No, that was pretty much the end of the, end of the, It is a really short paper. Did your brother come up with this hypothesis after your dad? I don't know.

I mean, how he told me about it during the eclipse. I remember that. It was like fun conversation during the eclipse. Well, it was cloudy. There wasn't much to look at. Oh, that pissed me off so bad. It was going right over his house. So we had a place to go.

And it was the first total eclipse I was ever going to see. And I've been wanting to see. I've seen a ton of partial eclipse. eclipses, you know, I made the little pinhole box things back in the 60s and all this stuff. We're going to finally see one. And, you know, it wasn't too bad. It was just a little bit cloudy, which I could deal with. I got some pictures of, you know, before the total eclipse.

And then we walked up to this field where we would have an unobstructed view of the sun. And because the temperature changes, if you've got any precipitation or anything, it's just going to precipitate. And so as the sun started to glide itself and you could see the shadow of the umbra coming toward you, then the sky over our heads just went completely dense with clouds. Oh, red farts. I was so pissed.

Red fart. So pissed. Then it took us eight hours to get home. Yeah, literally took us eight hours to drive two and a half hours because there were so many people. that had congregated along the path of the cleanse. God damn it. That is hilarious.

So, go. So, how about another one? Yep. I found it really cool. And this again, going back a couple of shows, I don't remember exactly what started the conversation, but we're talking about births. And folks, you know, we talked about post-birth

and how some of the Chinese people would eat the placentum. Yeah. That got me into do a little bit of research. It's not just Chinese people. No, it's not just Chinese, but I can only speak to Chinese. Yeah, a lot of Americans will do that as well. I don't think Tacey probably did that. No, Tasey didn't do that.

Pried it up in an egg with a little hot sauce. I remember seeing it, though. It was pretty gross looking. Yeah, it's like an alien. It's got all the veins and stuff on the one side, and that's all meaty on the other side. My dog had 10 puppies and ate all 10 placettos. Well, there you go. Yeah.

Got the nutrients back. Yeah, exactly. Which one? Sadie, you didn't know this one. And then she didn't leave the whelping box for two days. And then when I finally got her to go out, she took the most gigantic dump. I've never seen a dog ever take. Because she had to shit out 10 placentals.

Oh, I bet you have lowered. Discussed. That was, I bet that was disgusting. Yeah, she was a good mom, though. But anyway, go ahead. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so a couple of these, they're called Strange Burthing Transit came. Oh, I'm going to like that.

have come into the forefront here as of late. Lotus births. Okay, what's this? You want to guess? You want to guess? Lotus birth. Are you just in the Lotus position? I don't know.

Well, that's what I was thinking of you're born and, or you're sitting in Lotus position and dump them into a bucket. Into a bucket. Into a bucket. We don't know any better taste. A Lotus birth. So this is when the, because, you know, typically when a baby's born, the umbilical core to snip pretty quickly, right?

Yeah. Dr. Steve, you've delivered quite a few. However, what this lotus birth is about the parents allowing the core to remain attached to the placenta until it breaks normally. Okay. Or naturally. Now, what? Yeah, and that's...

How long does that take? Well, it takes days, possibly week. Even dogs don't do that. Exactly. They chew them off. So, they're saying that that is not a great thing to do. It's just really easy to spread some... Because the placenta is technically dead tissue.

Yeah, at that point. It's going to become necrotic. So the woman delivers the placenta, and then they just walk around with this placenta? I guess they wrap it up a little burrito kind of thing. No, it doesn't say that. But they just allow it to slough off naturally. A lotus birth. No.

All right, now I'm just getting started. That's disgusting. Now, listen, sometimes you will leave the, you won't cut the cord if the kid, for whatever reason, is anemic and then what you'll do is hold the kid down below the woman while the placenta is still hooked up this is right when they're born before the placenta starts to get disconnect and then what you want what you're trying to do is get as much blood to go from the mother's side to the baby side before you cut it but that's we're talking like five 10 minutes if that yeah not not two days or three days why would people do that i don't know dr steve

If anybody has done this, call in. 347-7-66-4-3-3-2-3. I want to hear about that. All right, number two, ready for this? Because it's not natural. I don't even think our caveman ancestors did that stupid shit. No, they whacked it off with a big rock. And then ate the placenta.

You know they ate it. And they fried it up with some quail eggs and a little bit of salt. I'm talking cave people. I don't know if they ate quail eggs. Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe they did. Yeah, just have some kind of corny. I made them wrong.

A cave chef, yeah. A free birth, a free birth. Okay. You're going to guess it a free birth? I'm guessing you have Medicaid. That's not it. You're exactly wrong, Dr. Steve, congratulations. We need a boo for that one.

Okay. I'll give myself one. All right, here we go. So a free birth is an unassisted birth where the woman chooses to have the birth without any medical help of any kind. Okay. which is okay as long as there's no complications. But it reminds, listen, this is the truth. I read this in the newspaper.

And it was not here locally, thankfully, but evidently this gal was going into a labor and tells her husband this, and he wanted to do a couple other things around the house. And finally, when he got around and driving her to the emergency department, she starts having the baby in the car. In the car. But here's where it gets really cool.

Okay. So this gal, as they pull up, to the emergency room says the baby is coming out now because it's like her second or third births. The guy starts panicking, freaking out. So he parks the car

and he's got cars like we have with the keys that you don't have in the ignition. So he goes running out to the mercy room and the car automatically locks. She rolls her chair back to start having this baby. She's in active labor.

Well, they come out. The guy gets back to the car and he's so upset, he faints. The emergency department can't get into the car. Now, this is a true story. Can't get into car. Finally, as she delivers a baby, she can reach up and unlock the car door. No, this is a true story.

They wind up having a wheelchair and a wheeler in. She's like, no, you better take him and say she walks in the emergency room with the baby. With the baby. And they had to roll his ass in her in a wheelchair. They might as well just turn around and go home. Oh, God bless him. All right, one more, one more. That guy won't.

No, he'll never live that down. No. She'll give him a bunch of grief. Let's up. All right, one more, one more, one more. Wait, how many is there? Because you can do some more of these. Okay, yeah, there's 11 total.

Okay, well. Some of them are good. Some of them aren't so good. Okay, give us another good one. I'm going to give you a good one. This is a good one there. I cannot wait to see Tacey's response to this, since she's the one of only three of us that have had children in this office.

Okay, so let's see. The orgasmic birth. Oh, yeah. I had some. Remember, Steve? Yeah. I had an orgasmic birth. Oh, yeah.

That's bullshit. You want to guess? I say you want to guess at what that means? I mean, I'm assuming that. Are they stimulating a part of her body while she's in labor? Well, you know. Because nipple stimulation is something. We do that to release oxytocin so that you can increase.

increase labor if you need to and sometimes nipple stimulation by itself will do it and it'll dial this is clitoral stimulation during birth i can't imagine too many women who've been been through the birthing process would be okay with this i mean who would be interested in it well they they tell us about so now according to this 2013 study 0.3% of birth births um these women have orgasms get the hell out of here and experience some sexual feelings during the childbirth and they do oh wow that is very interesting please tell me more and it doesn't say they were being stimulated externally i guess it's just from the fact of from the birth evidently so i don't know taste you'll have to wax poetic oh my god can you

imagine i'm now listen i would have hit or kicked i can't have no no it's anything but that And for anybody that I know who's had a baby would agree with me, there's nothing sexual about it, as a matter of fact. Well, of course, you can have an orgasm without being sexual. Like, there are women that have, you know, if they cross their legs, jump up and down, they can have orgasms and stuff like, you know, during calisthenics or during aerobic exercise. women who have orgasms when they're riding a bike and stuff like that. So you can have an orgasm without being engaged in sexual activity. I just can't imagine you would have an orgasm during this. This is having a baby.

Right, right, right, right, right, agreed. Yeah, it's completely, completely informed. So Tacey's calling bullshit on this. Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing it. Now, okay, so if you've ever had a baby and you have had an orgasm. and while you were delivering the baby. Please call us. And not you, Stacey.

Yeah, we know he's on this. All right, one more. Okay, yeah, give us another one. You're going to love this. Pregnancy suits for dads. For dads who want to get in on the action. Oh, come on. No, no, no, no.

They have a mommy tummy pregnancy suit designed to complete with the heaviness, the kicking the movement of the baby. and the guy can wear it around and enjoy this experience. Here's the thing, just like all of these other things, he can take it off. Yep. The woman can't. Exactly. So that's, it's bullshit and it's virtue signaling, sort of, and you're not, it's not empathetic.

You're just, you're not experiencing what she's experiencing. It's bullshit, in my opinion. This is my opinion. and the difference again being you can just take it off whenever you want to and you're not facing labor talk to tacy about labor no thank you I'm sure I'm sure it was a lot of things we were eating and we were there wasn't one of them they were going to induce her okay on Wednesday but Tuesday night she we were out eating and she looked at me and she said my back hurts and I'm like you're in labor you want to talk about it well I don't

I mean, every woman who's had one knows this story. A lot of guys don't know it. We went home. There were a lot of things that had to be done before we could go to the hospital. You know, the dogs had to go to the kennel. Was this number one or number two? This was number one. Yeah.

And it was very foggy on the way home, on the way to the hospital. And Steve goes, let's name him foggy. Let's name him foggy. And I hit him. She just, p. It's like, okay, jokes, not a, not. Not a good time for jokes. Yeah.

I was trying to lighten the mood a little bit. But Daisy, I'd never seen her like this. I mean, she was leaning her head against me, pushing as hard as she could when I was sitting there because she was in so much pain. It was terrible. And then the anesthesiologist didn't come, and he didn't come. And he's like, well, we have to wait for doctor, whatever his name was, to show up and write the order. And so I picked up the phone, and I called. that was the one I when I called him, right?

I said, will you please put in an order for an epidural for my wife, like right now? And the, because I was going to put the order in my damn self. I have privileges in that hospital. I can do that. It would probably be a problem later, but I'd rather be in Dutch with administration than with her. That's right. Yeah, you and me both. Because it was ours.

He never responded. Yeah, he wasn't responding to his. his pages and but I had his number so anyway finally what was like you remember his name say his name oh you don't remember Stan you don't remember Stan's name oh Stan yeah Stan the man yeah I remember Stan the guy who delivered us I knew you would remember Stan's name oh God Stan she she loved Stan I do love me some Stan he came in and did an epidural and he's like I don't know if I got it in the right place and I saw Tacey sitting up talking on her cell phone I said no you got it in the right and from then on you know and he he helped with the second one too yeah he did

oh god what a wonderful wonderful person yeah yeah good old stand that's cool all right what are we doing now what do you want to do answer some phone calls let's do some phone calls number one thing don't take advice from some asshole on the radio do we have any questions from the waiting room we had one a little way why don't you gather those you missed a bunch of them last week. I'm just going to say. I'm just going to, I'm not, I'm not fussing at you. I'm just saying, I went back and looked. So, maybe what we need to do is, is, no, no, no, no, no, is have people put question in capitals so that Scott can see it a little bit easier because there's a lot flashing by. And if, and if we don't see it, ask it again. Because it's, he's got a lot going

on too. And I'm trying to keep notes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm, dude, not. fussing at you, I'm just saying. A solution. We're looking for a solution. Yeah, that's right. Thank you. All right. Steve, my name is Paul. I'm calling from California. Hey, Tom. About three weeks ago, I had COVID.

The first night of getting COVID, I experienced electrical shocks shooting through my brain throughout the evening. I have no idea what that was. I'm hoping you do. I can't find anything online about it. Please let me know. Thank you, Doc. Yeah, Google Brainzaps. That's what that was. And I have

it when I was withdrawing from Simbalta. Yes, that's what I was getting ready to ask you, if that's the same kind of brain saps. Yep, I think so. That's miserable. COVID caused a lot of neurologic issues and every once in a while you get somebody with

brain saps and stuff like that, you know, it's just a weird, it's where are they? Are they all over? Just one spot? No, in your brain. No, I know. But I'm not. Oh, yeah, no. It goes like from one side to the other, like electricity going through your brain. It's basically a neuropathic syndrome.

Not like a migraine headache. No. Okay. And it's probably an illusion. It's not really going from one side of your brain to the other. It just feels like it is. And that's the only way to describe it is the zap. Yeah.

I had brain zaps. That's terrible. And Terminator eyes. I've told you about that, right? Yep, yep, yep. And people say, well, Terminator eyes, what the hell are you talking about? It's like whenever you would see the Terminator in their full sort of Terminator aspect, not when they had the human disguise on, and they would all of a sudden be making

these machine noises, and when their eyes would move, they go, and that mine were doing that. Every time I moved my eyes from side to side, I would hear that in my head for about two weeks. And I've had other people since I said that, you know, email me and say that they experienced it as well. But that's what it was. It was a neurologic manifestation of your body's immune. response to COVID-19 and be thankful that's all it was and it went away it sounds like it went

away all right but it's a legit symptom all right hey doc this is Zach from Oklahoma hey Zach my question is I was just wondering if it was possible to get different viruses at the same time good question if you're not feeling well and go to the doctor and get get tested like could you have like COVID and the flu and strep throat all at the same time. And if you do, what happens in your body? Do they, like, fight each other over dominance? Yeah. Do they get along or what?

Finish him. Yeah, so thank you for that. And I appreciate you. That's a great damn question. That's a fabulous question. That's a fabulous question. So when you have a virus, most people have noticed that they get one virus at a time. Most of the time they're working their way through the community.

It really is just maybe one dominant virus working its way through the community at the time because of transmission, right? But one of the hypotheses is that when you have a virus, you produce these cytokines called interferons. And interferons help to prevent further infection from viruses, and at least that's one hypothesis. And so when you have one virus, it's unlikely that you're going to get another one. But I will say that I saw one patient during this two-year and some pandemic that had a positive COVID test at the same time they had a positive influenza test. And I'm also going to say that was the only influenza I've seen in the last two years. It was in that person that was infected with both viruses at the same time. So it can happen.

Now, strep throat isn't, that's not a virus, that's a bacteria. It's called by Group A Strep, Stripto-Coccus, and it's a bacteria you treat it with antibiotics. And by the way, we don't treat strip throat with antibiotics because we want the strip throat to go away. We treat strip throat with antibiotics to prevent rheumatic. Fever. Yeah, rheumatic complications. Untreated strep is the cause for rheumatic heart disease and other things. things like that.

Bad for your ticker. Yep. All right. All right. I got a feet thing. It might be for you, Dr. Scott. Cool. All right.

Hey, Dr. Steve, Dr. Scott, Casey. This is Mike in Pennsylvania. How are you guys doing? Good. Good. So I'm having a problem with my feet. The big toe and both feet are always cold. Sometimes they feel kind of numb and they look white.

white when it gets bad compared to the other toes on my feet. So even at room temperature, you know, they need to wear a slippers or a sock or they feel uncomfortable regardless of the position that I'm in. The weird part is that if I'm walking or running, even if it's cold outside, they feel a lot better. So, you know, I googled it and thought of it says maybe I have diabetes. I don't think that's the case. Oh, I think so.

what could be causing this problem. And I actually made an appointment with a podiatrist, which leads to the second part my question is, why do podiatrist need their own separate schools? I kind of understand that my dentist do, but if a hand specialist or a knee specialist is just an orthopedic surgeon, he went to the medical school and then specialized in one of those fields, why aren't the feet the same thing? It's a great question. We should get a podiatrist in here to answer that.

That goes back way, way, way back, that the school of podiatry is separate. They go through a full curriculum, and then they are feet, basically surgeons of the feet. And some orthopedists do foot surgery, but a lot of times they'll refer to a podiatrist, depending on what it is. And they'll do toenails and stuff that the orthopedist won't do. more comprehensive treatment for the feet. You know, go to an orthopedist with a big toenail that's full of fungus and see what they tell you. They're going to say, why the hell are you here?

You get nothing. You lose. Good day, sir. That's basically what they're going to say to you. So, but a podiatrist will say, come on, and we'll take care of it. So that's partial answer to that question. Now, on to the white feet or the white big toes that feel better when he's exercising. What do you think, Dr. Scott?

I've got an answer. Maybe Raynauds? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I'm not too thrilled with that answer. It would be strange for it just to be in that one toe. I mean, he could have a diabetic neuropathy. Well, he said he doesn't think he has diabetes, so that's the thing.

So everything in Google says, okay, this is a manifestation of diabetes, but he doesn't have diabetes. So let's just assume he doesn't have it because most people who have it know it. And it's so easy to diagnose, you know, that is assuming he goes to a primary care from time to time, they would have picked it up. So I'm thinking, this is just me. It's just both big toes, and they're white, and then when he runs, it gets better. So it's obviously circulation, but what's causing it. And because when he's running, he gets more blood pumped there. I think he needs to look at his shoes.

I agree. Thank you, Tacey. Wow, that's a first. Oh, my God. I've had shoes before. I believe hell just froze over there, Dr. Scott. I've had shoes before that made my toe. toes feel numb, and I take them off and put different shoes on, and they go back to normal.

Yeah, and they may feel worse for a while after you take the shoes off. Yep. Well, and, too, if he does have that, if that theory is right, you know, he may have a really like a big bunion, hammer toe kind of thing. He may. That's just its pinching and trapping his blood, which would make sense, too. Gout. But I see people buy the wrong shoes, and they feel okay when you're wearing. wearing them, but you don't realize what they're doing to your feet.

So where would he go? To a place that watches how you walk. Yeah, I think so. And tells you what you need. So Fleet Feed is one of those people, one of those places. And they could sell him some walking shoes. And I'll write a note for you. If work says you can't wear those, it says you can wear them just to try it and see if that makes a difference.

Yeah. And a physical therapist, it's great with kids. gait disorders would be a good place. Yeah. I tell you, the painful toes and painful feet can really ruin your. Yeah, because you've got to use them every day. It's awful. And you don't think about your feet until they start hurting, and then that's all you can think about.

And Tacey knows. She said, God, what were those things that you had in your feet that they had? They said that they couldn't take out because if they did it, they'd just make them worse. And they weren't Morton's neuromas. I can't remember what they were called. It was some weird plantar. The other cysts she had in, it was right in the middle of plantar fashion. And then they just grew back, so I'm just leaving them.

But they don't hurt anymore. No, that's good. I guess because it's scar tissue. It's disgusting, though. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if that guy checks if any of the rest of his foot has some deficiencies in color, just a good. But I think, you know, a vascular evaluation, podiatrist is probably a good thing. Well, your primary care. PCP.

A dog can do a thing called an ankle brachial index. And all that is is they do blood pressure in your arm, and then they do it in your lower leg. And then they can see if there's a huge difference, well, you've got a problem with circulation in general. But the fact that this is confined to the two big toes really kind of indicates to me that he may have a problem with his shoes. It may be as simple as that. go to fleet feet or someplace like that that, you know, can evaluate your gate, see if you've got, you know, you're putting pressure on one side or the other, or just look at your shoes and see if you need a little extra room in there.

Yeah, totally. Some people wear their shoes till they, you know, till kingdom come. And as we get older, our feet sort of splay out. You know I do. And their feet sort of splay out a little bit, and they may change, and you may need. But if you go, you know, in the old days, you, you know, in the old days, You go to a shoe store, and there'd be a person in there, oh, may I help you, sir or madam, and they'd measure your feet, and they'd do this and that, and they'd bring out all these boxes,

and you could try things. Now you're kind of on your own in a lot of places. So you want to go someplace where they're actually going to measure your foot and then fit you for a proper shoe. And, yeah, if you have a bunion, which is just, you know, if your big toe isn't straight, if it points toward the middle of your foot, and there's an angle there at the knuckle of the big toe, which would be, we would call that the metacarpal phalangeal joint, then you may need to see a podiatrist for this.

So I think that's reasonable. Obviously, that's what he was thinking about because he asked us about podiatry. Yeah, I think patiatry is a good place to go. All right. So let's take this one. We've got time for another couple of questions. Maybe this one, I think this one's going to take up the rest of our time.

Let's see. Hey, Dr. Steve. This is Adam in Nebraska. Hey, Adam. I had a question about panic attacks and anxiety. I've had issues with panic attacks, and I've kind of got that put to bed, but now I've got this anxiety kind of worry thing that is a bit of an issue. And I recall in earlier episode, you had said that you had, I think you said exactly, maybe panic attacks or both, and that you had taken care of it.

And I was curious if you would share with us that are dealing with it, how you succeeded. And maybe I and others could try your approach, or if you have any kind of reference material books or anything that you think would be good to read. okay uh that was that's my question and uh look forward to hearing your response yeah thanks man well um he also if it's the same person he told me that the square breathing helped him a lot when he has panic attacks and we've gone over that enough we could do it again and it's no big deal but um panic attacks suck they do suck fucking terrible because what happens is you have a panic attack when you're flying, so you just stop flying. Then you have a panic attack when you're driving on the interstate, and you quit driving

on the interstate. Turn in the rain. Yep. And you quit driving in the rain. That's my deal. Then you have a panic attack when you're going to the grocery store, so you quit going to the grocery store. And then the next thing you know, you're having a panic attack when you're going out and get in your mail, and now you're stuck in your house.

And when that, it gets that far. It's called agoraphobia. And the panic attacks are so uncomfortable, people would. Some people would rather just be confined to their home than to have to deal with those symptoms. The problem is the anxiety doesn't go away. You still have it. And now you're stuck in your home and you still have it. And, you know, it just becomes a routine and it sucks.

So the first thing, you know, there's lots of different therapeutic approaches to it. One of them is, and I think your doctor talked to you about this too, Tacey, is, What's the worst thing that can happen? They'll jam that into your brain. What's the worst thing can happen if you go out? I die. Yeah. That's pretty bad.

Exactly. Yeah, well, you're not going to die. So that's the thing. Well, that's right. That's always what it is. So you go out and you don't die. Right. You know, and you didn't die this time.

And you didn't die the next time. You didn't die. And you keep challenging it. When I had the panic syndrome, I don't know what it was. I don't think I'm a particularly strong person. But there was something in me was. not going to give into this panic attack bullshit. And so I went to work every day.

I kept going, I went to movies, even though it made me intensely uncomfortable. And I went to, you know, music events and stuff, even though I knew I was going to pay for it later with severe anxiety. And the day I got cured, basically, or the day my cure started was at the North Carolina State Fair in Raleigh, North Carolina. And my love for fireworks was over, you know, overweighed my fear of being in crowd. So I went to the North Carolina State Fair, extremely uncomfortable. And, but it rained for five nights.

And so they couldn't shoot off fireworks. That was shot off fireworks at the end. Tacey's heard this story a million times. And, God, I sounded like Doug Bell just then when I did that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, me and, you know, Jen Aniston, you know. She's heard this story a million times.

Anyway, okay, stop. So they shot off all the fireworks because it was the last night of the fair and they had five nights worth of fireworks, so they shot them all off. It was awesome. It was really incredibly intense visual and auditory thing. And, you know, you could feel it through your whole body and all this stuff, and it was amazing.

And then when we left, though, all those people that were there had to go through this little door in the fence to get out of there. And there was at least 10,000 people there, and we couldn't move. And I was like this. I mean, I was like we were packed together like sardines. I couldn't move. And my thing was crowds. It was crowds.

And my wife at the time showed an unusual moment of empathy. And she looked at me and said, are you okay? And I'm like, I have to be. I either got to die right now or I got to get through this. And I didn't die. And I realized that the worst thing that could happen to me is that I'm uncomfortable. And from that, once that clicked in my head from then on, it got better and better and better. It didn't go away immediately.

but it got better and better and better. And I stopped having the intense, you know, physical symptoms of anxiety and the intense mental symptoms of anxiety. And I still didn't like walking in front of a window if it was light inside and dark outside because I didn't know what was out there. And so that took a while to get over that. And now, yes, like this guy, I'm still a worrier.

Tacey knows. I just worry about everything, but I'm not, you know, it doesn't affect my quality of life like it did. I had no quality of life before that. And, you know, it came this close to precluding me from getting to go to medical school because I'd gotten in. And, you know, I was almost want to, you know, I just was very poorly functional inside here. but outwardly, you know, I still went to my job every day. I was working in a lab with, you know, an immunology lab and sequencing proteins and all that stuff.

I did that. I still kept doing everything. And I really think that continuing to challenge whatever it is that gives you the anxiety is the key to that. Oh, but it's hard to do that when it's things like driving in the rain. Agreed. Because it does not rain every day. Right.

And so it just like it gets... That's Tasey's thing. Gives it a chance to build back up in between times. So for people like that, and like people who have airplane phobia, and there's a term for it, Dr. Scott, you could look that up. Airplaneophobia? Yeah, to fear of flying. There's a name for it. What they'll do is they'll put them in a 3D, like one of those 4D environments, or they'll slap an Oculus go on their face or an Oculus quest or some other Oculus and simulate it over and over.

over and over again because you're right you don't fly that often unless you're you know commuting by by air oh that's it I could have probably figured that one I'll give myself a boo but anyway so yes and what I want people with anxiety to know is you can beat this it took cognitive behavioral therapy with me and continuing continuing challenging the beast inside of me, which was, you know, the anxiety and when it was being stimulated, and telling it, it was full of shit, that it wasn't going to beat me. And eventually it gave up. The best way I can describe it.

But seeing someone that deals with this, psychology, psychiatry, there are medications for this as well, and square breathing, which we've talked about, multiple. multiple times on the show. If you want me to go over it again, somebody email me and I'll send you a thing on square breathing. But basically, it's just a technique that allows you to break a panic attack because a lot of times the panic attack is made worse by the physical symptoms of you hyperventilating. So when you hyperventilate, you drive the CO2 in your bloodstream down. That causes tingling in the fingers, tingling around the mouth. You can get a feeling, you know, a feeling of tachycardia have fast heart rate and of course you're already anxious so now you're

having these physical symptoms which makes the anxiety worse which makes the hyperventilation worse and um so you could breathe into a bag but you look stupid yep and if you're on a subway and you're anxious because you've got issues with being on the subway and you pull out a paper bag and start breathing into it you're going to just put a target on your back yeah i like big deep Heavy coughs, too, stimulate the vagus nerve. I'm okay with that. Yeah, big, big, hard cough. Sometimes it'll kick me out of.

Tacey knows that I have an anxiety cough, right? Remember back when we, I don't do that anymore. So it gets better and better as time goes out. But I used to have a big, heavy anxiety cough. And she'd say, God, are you okay? I'm like, no, I'm just anxious. Yep. So I figured that one out on my own.

My body figured that one out. But I might as well, shit, I brought it up. Square breathing, it's easy. breathe in for four beats, hold it for four beats, breathe out for four beats, and hold it for four beats so it makes a square. And when you do that, you can, if you're only inhaling one-fourth of the time and exhaling one-fourth of the time, you cannot hyperventilate. It's impossible. If you got anything, Dr. Scott, we've got about a minute left. Nothing, I don't think.

It's not my damn fault. They all fire. Hey, real quick. Well, let's take this from Ramp Salt, then. Okay. All right, we'll take this one. Hey, Dr. Steve. This is Ransalt. I haven't got to hear you for a while.

And I got to hear you tonight, and I just wanted to tell you how grateful I am. That you hooked me up with the Ransalt and that you have such a great radio show. I hate to tell you this, but I'd probably kiss you on the mouth. You're so good. Oh, hell. I might let you. Love you, man. Take care.

Hey, thanks, man. Cool. Okay, that was a good way to go out. Oh, fun. Yeah. Old ramp salt. So look at WVRampSalt.com, I think. Just Google West Virginia Ramp Salt.

He'd make some cool stuff. Well, is that our son? Is he home? Yes, it is. Okay. All right. Well, let's get out of here. You ready?

Let's do it. Everybody ready? Yep. Anything else from the waiting room? Everybody cool? Everybody's cool. We'll check in with them before we turn the feed off. Thanks always go to Dr. Scott.

And Tacey, it was great to having you. Got to check us out on our Patreon. where we had Robert Kelly last week and Mark Norman coming up and we're going to have other people coming to a visit with us in the exam room which is the... Did you come up with that?

Yes. Oh, nice. Yeah. Well, what it is, because they're asking us questions. Mm-hmm. So it's, you know, anyway, it's stupid. It's hacky. I get it. We can't forget Rob Sprantz, Bob Kelly,

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