Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 517 - Gorilla Lung

Episode Date: August 12, 2022

Dr Steve, Dr Scott, and Tacie discuss: 1. Selective Attention 2. Acupuncture and pre-diabetes 3. Muscle spasms with injections 4. Championship wrestling 5. Benign Vertigo and The Epley Maneuver 6. Ol' Starfighter From the Past calls in 7. Covid antibodies and autoimmune disorders Radio frequency treatment for stress incontinence Here's the video we discussed: https://youtu.be/vJG698U2Mvo Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net  (now with NO !vermect!n!) (JUST KIDDING, Podcast app overlords! Sheesh!) roadie.doctorsteve.com (the greatest gift for a guitarist or bassist! The robotic tuner!) And our sponsor: BetterHelp.com/medicine (we all need a little help right now!) Also don't forget: Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap! "FLUID!") noom.doctorsteve.com (the link still works! Lose weight now before swimsuit season is over!) CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, Mark Normand, mystery guests! Stuff you will never hear on the main show ;-) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But, you know, you're a good friend. You're always here. And simplyerbils. dot net is your jam so I should plug it more often so well thank you people can check it out I might you know what might be an interesting thing

you know you've got that fatigue reprieve shit on there what's first off this is not a commercial but I am still despite my bi-pap and it's better but today

I was using my eyebrows to keep my eyelids open on the way home the last like mile and a half Oh, gosh. And I was going to pull over, which is what I've told everybody that they should do, because your brain, my brain is trying to kill me. Yes. And why? I don't know, probably because I'm an asshole.

But my brain is trying to kill me. And so, you know, the protocol is you pull over and get something to drink and then, you know, walk around for a bit and get back of your car. You should be okay. or take a brief Edison Thomas Alva Edison power nap Hold a pen in your hand or your cell phone And then when you fall asleep you drop it wakes you up And then you get on your way

But So I take medicine for this And it still doesn't work So I thought maybe I'd try some fatigue reprieve Do a study in N of 1 Just to see if I can tell the difference Yeah, I think it would be a good idea I'll bring you some

So what I'm asking for is free. Yeah, I've got free for you. Free for you. The new medicine isn't helping you? No, I can't get the new medicine because my insurance will pay for it. They've put in a prior approval twice, even though they've said we have a physician who has a huge territory, drives all over creation. You know, I drive two hours a day sometimes, sometimes longer in that. and the standard stuff, modafinil and cutting it.

Now, if I do a modafinil and a sugar-free monster energy drink, I'm fine. But that doesn't seem like what I should be doing. I've got something a little bit better. We'll try the favor. Oh, okay. You say it's better. We'll see. You may be right.

Maybe the two together would be great. Yep, maybe so. So anyway, we'll try some fatigue reprieve. You'll be bouncing off the wall. very cleverly cleverly named. Well, thank you. I hope so.

Anyway, check out Dr. Scott at simply herbals.net. But it's not a commercial. I'm just really, I'm actually a little bit desperate at this point. Yes, I'm here for you. I wanted to say, happy birthday to our

network forbear, but the person who created our network, Cardiff Electric. So happy birthday, sir. and I hope you have a wonderful one at the beach this week. So there you go. He's going there for his birthday.

Hey, Sean just got back from the beach. Sean Pedrick? I need to go to the beach. He's my date to the... This is my life. I'm doing a weekend away. And my date for this event for the whole weekend is Sean Pedrick, everyone. You want to know me.

Yeah. And Tacey, I think he's probably a snitch. So if I, you know, he'll be a good chaperone. He'll make sure that I don't do anything stupid. Okay. Yeah, we're worried about that. Like Tase's fine. Oh, I'll do lots of stupid things, but not what that kind of thing you're thinking about.

Well, well. Wear it out. So anyway, yeah. Sean won the free tickets to. the creepoff roast you can go to creepoff roast.com you might be able to watch it live I don't think there's any tickets left it's in Rochester New York September 17th it will be my first and my last roast right I'm not the roast master that would be Vincent Paulino everybody oh cool he's the resident or the comic and residence at

Comedy of the Carlson where this thing is and there'll be some other comedies some actual comedians there and then some other people from the creep off creep off podcast if you don't know what that is it's in the wATP universe but they don't goof on on you know podcasts and get in trouble and stuff they goof on on criminals oh geez so and they it's a it's a true crime podcast but it's a comedy true crime podcast both of them the hosts are very funny and each one picks they pick a theme so when I was on the show they did creepiest medical professional or creepiest doctor and and so each person tells the story of their creepiest person whatever the theme is their encounter yes and then their story no yeah no no no no it's it's it's you find

somebody in history or or you know and then you tell the story and then and then the audience gets to vote on it who had brought the creepiest person and if you lose five times, it doesn't have to be five times in a row, the first person to lose five times has to spin the wheel of consequences

and then they have to do whatever it is so one of the hosts Carl Hamburger had to wear a cow bikini on the show on camera for the whole show Vinny Polino had to do the polar dash on one. And then that's still in dispute because they were videotaping him.

And then the person just forgot to videotape him actually going in the water and coming back out. So now people were saying he never did it, even though you can tell how miserable he was when they finally caught up with him afterward. So it's a funny show. Go to creepoffroast.com, or you could check it out at, um, the creepoff.com if you just want to listen to the podcast. If you're into true crime, it's a fun one. I've been trying to get Tacey to listen to it because I think she would like it. She likes true crime.

Did you ever listen to one? No. There you go. There you go. Vinnie and Carl. There's your endorsement from Tacey. Now. All right.

So there you go. Scott, you have some topics for us today? Yeah, I've got one you sent me about the gorilla. Yeah. Yeah. Now, let's talk about this. This is crazy. Yeah, so Dr. Steve found this article and sent to me the other day.

It's the invisible gorilla strikes again. Sustained, and here's the topic, sustained inattentional blindness. Right. And expert observers. Yes. So real quick, here's the abstract. We like to think that we would notice the occurrence of an unexpected yet salient event in our world. However, we know that people often miss such events.

Humans are the worst witnesses. If they are engaged in a different. The phenomenon is known as inattentional blindness, so you're just not paying attention. So what they did was they took a, and there's been multiple studies, but this one, we've talked about this one. This is crazy. This one is, we asked 24 radiologists to perform a familiar lung nodule detection task. A gorilla, literally a gorilla, I was shocked when I looked at it, a gorilla 48 times larger than the average nodule was inserted into the last.

case, 83. Oh, wait, so it wasn't a guerrilla's lung. No. It actually took a gorilla. A picture. Dude, that's the craziest they ever seen. No, honestly. But check this out.

83% of the radiologist did not see the gorilla. Well, they said it was a nodule. They said there's a large nodule. No, no, no, no. Check this out. 83% did not see it. But what they did, it was kind of a cool study because what they actually did, though, they

monitored these tracking, and they could actually see the eye movement of the of the radiologist. Yes, yes, yes. And they just, not only did they, they just missed a piss out of it. They even looked directly at the gorilla and still didn't register. So even expert searchers operating in their domain of expertise are vulnerable to inattentional blindness. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

So, Dr. Steve, they showed, and look at this taste. They literally have superimposed an image of a gorilla waving. Well, there's this thing called the invisible gorilla test. That's why they use gorillas for this. It's crazy. There's one called the Invisible Gorilla Test from 1999. And what they did was they watch a people video. And you can see this on YouTube.

Just Google it. Or, you know, go on YouTube and search for it. They watched a video of people dressed in black and white passing basketballs. Participants were asked to count the number of times the team in white pass the ball, so they gave them a task. Right. During the video, a person dressed in a guerrilla costume walks amongst the two teams, and then the participants were asked whether they had seen anything unusual in the video.

Nearly half the participants provided negative responses. In other words, they never saw the gorilla. Right. That's so crazy. It is insane. And I've got a link. If you remind me, I will put this on our YouTube page at YouTube.com. slash weird medicine. It's so

nuts. Hey, and can I tell you something about this? I really felt this this was so compelling. So when I was reading this and I just did what it did to taste, I scrolled down and I looked at these images and I looked all over the scene. The first image, I said, well, heck, there's no grill in that. And scrolled down

to the second one, I didn't see anything. But sure enough, do you see the grill in there? On that image? So, Tacey's looking at it. No. Tacey's a poodle. So here's the crazy thing.

Now that I've looked at it for the fourth time, I actually can find the gorilla. But I think what those radiologists, they're so trained to look at very specific things, kind of like with those balls. You just did just miss it. Yeah. And I literally just now saw it when I was showing it. Even though you knew. Even though it was air. You were trying to make fun of it.

Yeah, I know it was air. Yeah, it's crazy. But now it's crystal clear. It's right there. Yeah. Upper right corner. Well, nobody can see it because it's a radio show. Oh, yeah.

Well, you'll have to trust me, guys. Yeah, Google this stuff, it's pretty crazy. And I have heard of other, now, for some reason, they always use somebody dressed up in a gorilla suit. They'll do forensics. Yeah, there's no way you could not see a gorilla. They'll say, right, that's right. Because it's so weird that they'll do these forensic tests to demonstrate that people are terrible witnesses. And they'll have a crime going on.

and they'll say, now watch, you know, try to get all the details of the criminal and all this stuff, and then they'll have a gorilla walk through and nobody will notice the stupid gorilla. Pay attention to their hat color or whatever. They should put real gorillas in there. I bet people would notice that. Isn't that funny? Yeah, you know, but I'll tell you, Dr. Stephen, and when I was reading, you'll see it, it brought me back to my days playing baseball and how when you're so focused on an image, like specifically when you're trying to hit a baseball,

which is the hardest thing to do in athletics, the more you can blow. lock out everything else, the better hitter you are. Yes. And the hypothesis, the hypothesis is that because Ted Williams is the greatest baseball hitter in history. The one person ever hit over 400,

they said it's because he trained the the and the occipital part of his brain, the visual cortex, to focus because he was a fighter pilot. And they used to line up planes and fly like 20 of them in a row and fly by each other and they'd have to identify

by each marking on each plane. Yeah. And I think that's why he was such a great baseball hitter. Is that right? Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. So that's...

Absolutely. Because you're just fools out. If you've ever played even at a semi-elite level, you understand that whole Zen thing where you're not thinking and your brain is hyper-focused on what you're doing, but without any effort. And that's the key. And that's what our son will be training people to do. because he's getting his Ph.D. in sports psychology. So there you go.

Hopefully. If anyone is interested in looking at that selective attention test whenever you happen to be listening to this, go to my Twitter at Weird Medicine, and I'll tell you what, I'll pin it to the top. I'm going to pin it to my profile. And then you'll be able to see it at the very top. So just look at my profile. I just stuck it up there now. All right, cool.

Anything else on that? No, that's it all in that one. All right. You got anything else? Yeah, you know, I actually did find that. Another interesting one. This is from the holistic nursing practice magazine. They do a lot of good, solid research.

Do they? They do good solid research. I'm not saying that like Jim Norton. I'm not saying, do they? I'm saying, do they really? Oh, shit, I hit the wrong button. Son of a bitch. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

It's because you're an idiot. That is the true. All right. So should acupuncture related therapies be considered in pre-diabetes control? Research from, and you're going to love this, a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials, Dr. Stee. That's better than shit. Yeah. It is.

It's better than shit. No. I mean, is it perfect? No. And then you've got to determine that the studies that they did were good studies. before you mush all the data together. So for people who are listening that have not listened for a long time don't know what we're talking about, this is where you take a bunch of smaller studies and mush all the data together to get a bigger study

so you can see if you can get statistical significance out of the data and make some conclusions. But anyway, go ahead. So anyway, they were assessing the effects and safety of acupuncture-related therapies on glycemic control for prediabetes. So blood sugar control. Okay, so tell me how they were, how they constructed these studies. 855 identified trials, 34 articles, qualitative synthesis, 31 were included in the final meta-analysis. So what they did is they had 850 articles. Out of that, only 30 had data that they felt was worth mushing together.

Right, yeah, the method criteria. That's a pretty sad, you know. ratio but anyway okay so they found 30 studies yeah but at least they got that's 30 more that is more than one more than 29 that's right it's better non there's good sovereign I'm pretty good them gazintas yeah them gazintas yeah three gazette nine three times I think it's 30 times so uh so anyway compared with usual two gazenta four twice twice twice compared with usual care, sham intervention or conventional medicine. There you go.

Okay. The acupuncture was found to be significantly better by lowering fasting plasma glucose. Okay. The two-hour plasma glucose. It's because they make you lay there for two hours. They can't eat. And glycated hemoglobin. So, yes, you're right.

We starve people to death while we're treating them. Yes. I've done it. what it's like we're making we're we're um we're skewing the outcome yeah no but okay so i so what acupuncture did they do did it matter what part of their you know their quadrants or whatever you call those meridian points or whatever that they did or can you just stick the needles anywhere end of your dick tip of your nose what pretty much under your fingernails but if you have one going on the end of your dick you probably should well i'm just saying well but no no there was

not a specific protocol listed in this. So just stick them anywhere. Well, what they're saying is because it can help with overall health and well-being. It helps to lower your stress levels. Yeah, that I can understand. A cortisol. Okay.

The whole levels and the process. Yeah, but so in other words, all they said was that having the acupuncture treatments for whatever, and Dr. Stevie knows well as if it's for pain. You know, we do really well with a lot of types of pain. Yep. I'm just trying to figure out what the

mechanism would be. It's got to be lowering serum cortisol, increasing serotonin. That's interesting. It has to be. This would be my guess on the mechanism for this, is that when you go to an acupuncture, it's one of the most relaxing places. To me, it's more relaxing than a spa because in a spa, you got like hot men and women, you know, looking at your, you know, looking at you and stuff and, yeah, looking at your jungle region

and making internal, you know, evaluations and stuff. And it's, to me, that's stressful. And I don't want people messing with me. When you're at the acupunctures, well, Tacey, you talk about it. You gave me a thumbs up on that. Talk about what it's like going to the acupuncture office. It's nice. I mean, I was very surprised.

I didn't know what to expect, though. Right. So what did they do to you? And, you know, when I said it's very relaxing, you went, mm-hmm. So what's that about? A cool, darkish room. Yes. Stuck me with some needles.

And with a tens unit? Densu, yep, yep, on her. And left me alone for how long, Scott? About 20 minutes, yeah. And when they came back in, I didn't want to leave. Yeah. It is intensely relaxing, and that will reduce stress hormones, reduce stress hormones, epinephrine, cortisol, that kind of stuff, would reduce blood sugar. So what I would like to see is maybe there are studies on this, on acupuncture, you know, the whole thing, not just coming into a laboratory and they're sticking needles in you, but they're doing the whole process.

If you can show a decrease in, say, circulating epinephrine, circulating cortisol and stuff, because you know. that's good. Then the question is, did the needles have anything to do with anything at that point? Sure, sure, sure. Is it, you know, could you do the same thing without it or with some other thing, and there are other interventions that might do better,

or needles with different electrical frequencies? I mean, there's all kinds of cool things that you could look at. Yeah. Well, one of the things that I use the tension for is because they've shown that by using electricity on the needles, it stimulates the mu-opioid recepting, stimulating hormones in the brain. Right.

I can see that. And it increases serotonin in your spinal hormone. Okay, so stop with the jargon, explain what that means. When you said it stimulates the mu-opioid receptors in the brain, people are just like, ooh. Emotional damage. I mean, what does that mean? Well, by putting a needle, just by sticking, yeah, but just about sticking a needle in through the skin,

it stimulates a response. So if you just do plain needles, because we get this question all the time about, The difference between dry kneeling and using electric acupuncture. One of the reasons the dry kneeling does work is because it stimulates the peripheral nervous system. Okay, what does that mean? Peripheral. Well, just it's anything outside of the spinal cord. He uses all kinds of fancy words at it.

Anything outside the spinal cord and brain. So the nerves outside the spinal cord brain. And it works very similar to the way an Advil or Tylenol or an asthen was, is for helping with those, that pain. Okay. By a completely different mechanism. Completely different mechanism. Right. And then by using electrical stimulation to it, it stimulates the brain to release more

of an opiate through your system. So we're actually working on treating pain from a couple different approaches. So there are endogenous opioids that means made from the inside your body. The reason that when you take heroin that it does something is because it attaches to receptors that are there, that were already there for internal drugs that look like heroin. You have the same molecular structure. And they operate the same way. That's when people get addicted to running, like my friend John, who is now at, is he in the chat room today?

Yeah. He is? He was earlier, yeah. Logan Field is. He hasn't missed running one day, and I think he's like a thousand days or something like that. May even be longer than that, if he's still. in there see if he if he chimes in on that but uh he and he won't miss a day yeah and like if he does surgery i said what happens if you have to go in for surgery he said well i have to start

all over again but he if it's raining snowing he is out there and i postulate that he may be addicted to the endorphins in other words endogenous opioids molecules that are made inside the body that stimulate the same receptors that Lortab and Percocet and heroin do. Roxy's, oxies, all the goods, all the gins, you made some hydros, and some oxies and some delada. I like to pull up, one of our dear friends is a pharmacist, and sometimes I'll pull up, and if one of the girls there doesn't know who I am, I was like, do. Oh, hey, man, can I get some Lortab? I do the same thing. There's a pharmacist in town.

I was there when he was born. Oh, my gosh. And his mom, or well, his dad was my best friend in residency. And I'll always call him going, now, cool, I need me some of them Lortab 15s. Of course, they don't make such a thing. And he'll just go, come on, because he knows it's me. It's just so stupid. Oh, I love it.

Well, for people who think that acupuncture is just complete horseshit, part of the problem is that some of your fellow practitioners have not been helpful to you in that regard. But the type of things that Dr. Scott does, there's really good data behind it, and it is drug-free. You're generating the drugs inside your system. and anybody that wants to, you know, argue with us about that, you know, I'll defend Scott on the things that he does because he does the things that he knows have data behind them. Right. And you can go to PubMed and you can find tons and tons of articles that show that there is, you know, a positive net effect with acupuncture when used under the correct circumstances.

And used in the right things, right. And this article here from Medical News today, says, you know, its conclusion is, well, shit. Let me get to that. Because, you, oh, you son of a bitch. Come on, come on, come on. Good God. Anyway, well, now I can't find it because that scared me so much that I hit my mouse.

I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. It's the spooky show, y'all. It was a spooky show. That acupuncture is safe and effective when done by somebody, basically, to paraphrase them, who knows what the fuck they're doing. Right. So you go to someone that's taking a weekend course, they can kiss my ass for the most part. Yeah, me too.

Dr. Scott spent four years of his life in traditional Chinese medical school, and I respect that. You know, anybody that gives up that much time and effort studying all this stuff, you know, deserves your respect now for the effort put in and you know there's a big difference between people that come out of your office because my cancer patients go to you oh yeah 100% of them feel better when they come out of there whatever it is who cares what the mechanism is well it works so anyway all right enough we with uh and now i'm starting to sound like a kook all right you got anything else no that's it promoting your own shes no it's not as like Kirby, Kirby, say, would you all take a question?

Yeah, go ahead. I think, no, he said, would we take a question? Yes, of course. No, he's telling us to take some. Oh, okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough. Number one thing, don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. All right. Okay.

This is Lee, in North Alabama, and I've got a question regarding some HRT that I'm doing. Okay, HRT being hormone. replacement therapy presumably testosterone but not necessarily we'll see. When I did my last blood sample I was at a 200 and so okay so depending listen when we give out these raw numbers

like this we're not using the units I don't know if he's talking about nanograms per decilator or what the units are but I'm assuming that's low and if it's low in his lab then the low normal in most labs is right around 350 if I'm not giving out units and normal is

anywhere considered to be 350 to 850 somewhere in there depends on the lab so you've got to look at the normal range but just remember that if you're in the low normal range you're probably actually low and if you feel bad and you're

low normal that is there you go taste you're going to get one of the give yourself a bill that is exactly right because symptomatic people in the low normal range have been shown in studies to derive benefit from treatment from hormone replacement therapy, even though, quote-unquote, technically they're in the, well, I should have, no,

they're technically, quote-unquote, low, normal or normal, and they're not. It's because there's so many people are low that when they determine what's normal, they're including a bunch of people that are low because they've never been diagnosed in that average. And so it skews the normal range low. So all of the urologists that I've talked to, say, if you're low normal and you have the symptoms of low testosterone that you should be treated. Okay, anyway, let him complete. Through some Dr. Gaddis and stuff. We've started the therapy.

I'm doing injections. Okay. Every 10 days. Okay. And so I'm... So there's lots of things you can do. He's giving himself shots. Some people do the gel.

Some people do pellets. There's all kinds of things you can do. injecting in my left leg because I'm right-handed I can control it better and I inserted the needle into my leg this was a week ago and when the needle went in that area and that muscle where the needle penetrated my leg cramped and the needle actually racked in one direction and then stood back up and I pulled the needle out and I managed to get the injection in yeah but I'm curious why in the world would have done that did I hit something yes you've put in, you stuck a needle in your leg.

Well, that's what you want. I just don't want that to happen again because it hurt like some bitch. Yeah. Go ahead, Scott. I'll say it sounds like the motor point and the muscle. Yeah. So it's kind of where the nerve intervenes or enters the muscle and it's the biggest bulk of it. And if you'll hit that thing just right, it will cause a lot of times a spasm.

Yep. You know, and my suggestion would be next time you do it, poke around and find a spot that's not. You made with your finger. With your finger. Yeah. Not what they need. Yeah, not with your finger kind of poke around and palpate, mush, mush until you can find a not real sensitive spot. And that's probably a better place to go in.

Yeah. And I would, I mean, one other thing I would say, too, is he might be able to do it if he's right hand doing his right hip. Yes. Buttox is where I would do it. Well, I don't know. I don't know if you could have your leg. I don't know. It's, that's a tough one because you've got to go to the right particular quadrant in that gluteous area.

and I do think the thighs easy to get to, but if you're right-handed, you can do your right thigh. Dude, that makes me wonder where he's injecting it. So this is the correct place to, this is the correct way to do this. You should use the vastest lateralis muscle in the thigh. So let me tell you where that is. You divide the thigh into three equal parts vertically, not horizontally.

So going from hip to knee, you draw a line from the hip to the knee, divided into three equal parts, and you're going to go to the upper top part of the middle to lateral section. Okay? And then if you do that, there's no nerves and stuff over there. And that really, for me, that would be easier for me to hit from the right than for the left. Let me try it from. I don't know. It's easy either way.

Yeah. It's either way. Well, there's, there's cutaneous sensory nerves, but no, but no, but no, but I'm talking about there's, you know, the femoral arteries and stuff go on the inside part. That's right. That's right. Very good. Scott, you know your anatomy.

Give yourself a bill. So, and it, dude, if you want to email me, I'll send you a picture of where you need to be going. But Scott's right. Even then, like you can poke around. And if I poke just right. I can make that muscle spasel. It jerks.

It's really a reflex jerk is what it is. And it's called a trigger point or a motor point if you want to kind of do a little research on that. And that's, believe or not, well, I just looked on the camera. It looks like I'm masturbating. Oh, funny. Because I was poking my leg. If I do that, it looks like, I can you see that? I'm sorry, for the people who are listening.

That would have been a whole lot more motion than you probably need. Yeah, no, not for me. I was in the bathroom at WRL TV a million years ago when I worked there there was the weather guy was a guy named Bob DeBarre Laban and the news guy was a guy named Charlie Gaddy right and so they're both in there pissing at the same time and the one guy and this isn't a great joke but it's just something that I remember and Charlie Gaddy said oh you know he make bragging about how giant what a giant cock he had right and he said well um they would uh they need to lower this urinal for me you know and bob bardleben without even missing a beat said well they need to raise it for me six inches off the floor you get nothing oops wrong wrong wrong thing but that worked anyway

doing great was sound effects i know sorry i was going for that Oh, good. All right. Those were the good old days, old Charlie Gaddy and Bob DeBardleaven and doing championship wrestling on weekends. Rick Flair recently did, quote, unquote, his last match. Yeah. And our buddy Shulie Egar was on the roast of Rick Flair.

Oh, my goodness. And our friend Vinnie Paulina was there to document everything. How did the match go? I don't know. He didn't die. All I know is he didn't die. I also hear that he was a complete, you know what. Oh, really?

Now, I worked with Mr. Flair for three years. Never spoke a word to me, not once. Now, I was a peon. I was just the audio engineer and sometimes cameraman. But, yeah, never, I don't think any of those guys would remember me. But I've got some great stories about working with them. That's cool. You know, Wahoo, McDaniel, Baron von Rashky.

I've told the story about Igor the Polish Prince and his Polish sausage. Have you ever heard that? I've told you that story, Tice. I don't think I've heard the Polish sausage story. Do you know this one? Yeah, I think so. This guy, his name was Igor, the Polish Prince, and he had that sort of generic Eastern European.

Oh, I am Igor, Polish Prince, like that, right? And he was from Kernersville, North Carolina, I think. I think that's where he was from. And he would get on, you know, we would do these commercials, right? And there were, like, we did 70 commercials on every Wednesday, two for each of 35 different markets. Okay. And they had the announcer, tonight in Dorton Arena, or tonight in Charlotte Coliseum. And then Blackjack Mulligan and get up there and he go, Wahoole McDaniel, if you're listening,

And, of course, he's listening. He's sitting right there because they're all on tables on either side of this thing because we had to whip, you know, get these things whipped out. Well, anyway, Mighty Igor would get up there and he would be gnawing on this Polish sausage. He'd never take a bite off of it and chew it and swallow it. He'd just gnaw on it, right? And it was just kind of gumming it. And so that was every Wednesday. Well, when I would come and do the morning show, which was at 6 in the morning, so I lived in Eflin, North Carolina.

I was an hour away, so I'd have to get up at 4 to get there by 5 so that I could set up for the show at 6. And one day I was cleaning up the living room set where they all sat and did this sort of chatty farm show in the morning. And I'm cleaning the sofa and I lift up the cushions to clean under the cushions. and there, lo and behold, was Mighty Igor's Polish sausage underneath one of the cushions. And what this guy was doing was when we would be done, he would shove that thing under the cushion. And then when he'd come back the next week, he'd grab it and stick it back in his mouth and gnaw on it. Now I understood why. Are you kidding?

No, yes. What else? Why other reason would it be there? There's trash cans everywhere. He could have just thrown it in the trash. He was saving it for next time. Oh, my. That's awful.

So, it was so great. I have a million of those stories with those guys, but anyway, that's, that we'll, maybe we'll do a wrestling, wrestling show sometime. All right. So insane muscle spasm, we done with that one? Yep. Okay. Let's do, oh, here's a good one, and Dr. Scott can talk about this.

This is Wade from Louisiana. Hey, Wade. I was laying in the bed, sleeping and some kind of upper respiratory thing. I was coughing and tossing and turning, and I woke up at about 2.30 in the morning with a serious case of vertigo. Okay. I went to the ER. They really didn't do anything but give me something for motion sickness. I come home.

This pisses me off. I actually did the epley maneuver. What? Okay. Why does this guy have to know and do the Epley maneuver? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yep.

We're going to talk maybe next week. We might get Gina Levy on here about how she was treated when she had her mastectomies for pain. It was unbelievable. You know, excruciating pain. I don't know if they gave her anything. We're going to talk to her because she's been complaining about it online. I said, you need, I pulled a trick like one of our friends online. Hey, Gina, come do my show.

Certain people will know the joke behind that. But I did that. And so I think rather than have her call in, the voicemail will just have her on me. That's Bob Levy's wife. And we love Bob's friend of the show. So anyway, but yeah, this kind of stuff is starting to piss. me off more and more. And it cleared up shortly after that.

And have you seen the video? We've got to do this one on this show, too. The video of the woman that went to the ER and had monkey pox, and they said they'd never heard of it. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, and then she went to her primary. She said, I think I have monkey pox.

They're like, we don't know what you're talking about. Oh, for God sakes. It's like, do you not watch anything on the news? Do you not read anything? I know, honey, I'm telling you. Every state sends out that monkey pox and COVID advisories, nobody reads anything. I think we're in 50 today in state of Tennessee. Oh, I think.

Okay, some emergency. But anyway, we'll talk about that in a minute. When the WHO declares an emergency, all they mean is that countries who are from, Friendly with the WHO should now start reporting cases to them. That's all that means. So go back to this guy. Yeah, okay, sorry. And this maneuver.

So he goes to, and we'll talk about what the maneuver is. So let me back up a little bit. So he goes to the emergency room. They really didn't do anything, but give me something for motion sickness, when I come home. And what they probably gave him was Mechlazine. I actually did the Epley maneuver, and it cleared us. Well, there you go.

It was hours and hours. Give yourself a bill. I was wondering if the coughing in the Tawson and Turing combined is what caused the little crystals to break loose. This guy knows everything. We're going to have to back up and tell everybody, this guy's a damn genius. Yeah, he's figured it out. I guess his question is, though, and he is correct, I think in his assumption. Yeah, he's wondering if the call.

Okay, so talk about benign positional vertigo for a second. BPPV. There you go. It's an inner-eer problem. It's the inside your ears, you have these things called the semicircular canals. Right. They're the inner ear. And there are three little kind of tubules that have fluid inside them with little hair-like follicles.

And when you move. And they're oriented in three dimensions, which is fucking genius the way that this thing is. Because, you know, they detect acceleration. So way before Newton invented calculus. and people, and Zeno talked about absolute motion and stuff like that. The semicircular canals were already analyzing in an analog computer-type way acceleration in three dimensions. So go ahead.

Yeah, and what happens is it? I will give whoever designed these things one of them. It's brilliant. Yeah, but you know, the cool thing is they have fluid inside them, but they're not completely full. So when you move, the fluid moves around and the little hair follicles can detect the motion. and sends a message your brain and say, hey, we're moving right or left or forward up or no, whatever.

And the fluid moves, and it has momentum too. So when you spin on a bar stool and then stop, the fluid continues to spin, and that's what makes you dizzy. But anyway, go ahead. It's actually pretty incredible. But there are some little calcium crystals inside those, and they can become dislodged.

And when they do, and typically it's from head injury, you can get conked in a head some violent kind of motion. It's going to happen when you got terrible, you know, racking and cough. Yeah, coughing and shaking her head back and forth. And he probably just dislodged those crystals and subsequently gave himself the BPPB. Yeah. And so you wanted to, you knew the Epley maneuver, right?

Do it. Yeah, we do it some. And it's a, you know, gosh, I would hate to try and do it, you know, by myself when I was having vertigo, you know, and just be sent home from the emergency department. You can do it, though. You can. I have people with benign positions. positional vertigo that I teach them to do it at home.

Especially after the first time. But you would hope somebody would help them do that while they're in the certain... Well, he called us. I wonder if he heard about it here or if he's just, you know, already knew about it. But do you want to walk people through the aptly manure or do you want me to? Well, I've got it right here. I was just going to read the steps. I was going to just faking it off the top of your head.

I know, but I don't want to screw it up. But you do. You've been sitting on the bed. Turn your head to 45 degrees to the right. Yep. You lay back quickly. keeping your head turned. Now, when you lay back, your head should be a little extended back over a pillow.

And then what you're going to do is you're going to flip your head after, you know, 30 seconds. Wait, 30 seconds or so. Then you flip your head to the other side, the left side, and do the same thing. Wait for like 45 seconds. Turn it back. And what you're trying to do is dislodge those crystals or put them back in place. Yeah. And that's it.

Okay. So if it's your right here, if it's the left ear, you do the eye. opposite right and you guys aren't going to remember this and i'm not even sure that us describing it is is sufficient for you to do it but just know that that's there and if you have positional vertigo you can try this at home you really can't hurt yourself you just don't want to you know you don't want to pull a bob sag it and you know no no no no i'm serious no no disrespect to uh because i love bob and when you lay back make sure your head is going to hit your pillow and not the back of your bed you know some of these hotel beds I've seen this before where the

hotel beds have kind of like a sharp wooden like a beam or something on the back where the pillow goes and it's really easy if you lay back too fast you don't realize how much force that is because you're used to doing it on a pillow if there's something hard and sharp there yeah horrible I mean I love Bob so I'm just saying if you're gonna do this be safe doing it because you we don't want you, what happened to you to happen to Bob Sagan, even though Scott apparently thought that was hilarious because he was laughing. No, I wouldn't love him.

I know. You were just saying how ridiculous what I was saying was. But just Google Epley maneuver, and if you really want to do it right, just look at it on YouTube, and they'll show you how to do it, and you can do it at home. But just be safe. When you do that first laying back fast, you got to make sure that pillow's in the right place and that there's nothing to heart back there. Yeah, and you don't, yeah, and you don't want to,

extended head back off the bed and wreck your neck that way too. Right, right, right. So it is, it's, you have to pay attention. Okay. All right. So, yeah, I think that's what happened. Now, if you have, if you've been coughing, and you get a vertigo that will not

respond to the Epley maneuver, you may have another thing altogether, and that is called semi-circular canal dehiscence syndrome and semicircular canal dehiscence syndrome is a real problem that can only be treated with surgery

and de-hissence just means when something comes apart and so you can have the coughing, the pressure can actually cause the semicircular canals to be damaged and that's a whole different thing this guy got better with the epaet so I don't think he had that but I'm just throwing that out there This is a rare syndrome, but if you ever get COVID and you cough for six weeks like I did

and you start seeing stars when you cough, that's how bad it is. Sometimes things can happen, and that's one of them. And as Amanda so poignantly says and make sure they don't have, you know, a neck injury, especially like a multi-level spinal fusion. You don't want to be doing that. Yes, of course. Yes, thank you. Thank you.

So that is correct, Amanda. Yeah. Yeah. And a matter of fact, don't do any of the shit without talking to over. He's a doctor first. We're just a bunch of old clowns. Yeah, we sure we are. We don't know nothing.

Not nothing. Don't know much about nothing. All right. You'd be crazy. You'd do what we tell you. All right. Hey, Dr. Steve, this is an old friend of yours calling. I want to say my name.

I know you know who I am by now. And I just want you to know. It's just a hello call. It doesn't mean a thing. I don't need any money, and I'm not in trouble. And I have no medical problems. So I'm not calling about free advice or cash or. anything like that it's basically a love call dr steve it's an old pal of yours i won't say my name

because i'm going to make any trouble or anything but you know who i am and we go back and it was a hell of a trip what a wild crazy trip it was there in the old chapel of the unc north carolina our tv mp department where we have we had so many laughs and so many wonderful experiences with professors that we were lucky to be around i'll tell you what more better than we deserved as they say dr steve dr steve i'm not going to hold you on the line very long because I know you've got a lot of messages. Yes, he is. Okay.

This call is four minutes long. The basket is filled not taking any messages. I know you won't let that go on like that for very long because that's just downright route. You got the technology. You have the phone and you haven't bothered to go in and, Dr. Steve, that's not like you. I hope it's not an indicator that maybe your life's kind of, you know, gone awry, as they say. I hope you're hanging on to the home fireplace, the home man will there, and I know you are, and the ship.

We'll play part two next time. Good Lord, Dave. We're running late. That's my old buddy, Dave Haynes, doing another one of his characters. He used to call in, do you remember, Tacey, you might remember this, when some of our callers got through to Big Kev. Big Kev's geek stuff used to be, we used to share Saturday Night virus with them. and some of our callers got through to him by accident, and so he played him and goofed on him, right?

And then my buddy Dave started calling in, calling him, well, that old Big Ken or Big Eggers, I can't remember what he called him. And he would goof on him, so I didn't have to, and he would pretend like he was somebody calling Big Kev's geek stuff. And that's the same guy, so anyway, he's a damn not. All right. One of, yes, absolutely my best friend from the 1970s.

Let's see here. You want to do one on neutralizing antibodies? We could do that. Let's do this one. Hey, Dr. Steve. I'm having a question about the COVID antibodies. Okay. So I currently have an autoimmune disease, and I have received the Moderna vaccines one through

three. My rheumatologist in Cleveland decided for me not to get the fourth booster until we checked my antibody levels because I had such a rough time with the third Moderna, high fever, chills, body aches, just really severe reaction, and it increased my inflammatory markers. I wonder if the reason she had such a rough time was because maybe somewhere in there she'd actually gotten COVID, but let's see. So my last antibody screen showed that my numbers were at $50,000.

eight weeks later, they're at 25,000. What is the magic number of... Okay, we're running out of time, unfortunately, so I'll give you the quick answer. It depends on the units. Again, the normal units in international units per millilator, the neutralizing antibodies are like 448. So I'm assuming they are using different units when they're saying that her antibody level is 50,000.

So if it were 50,000 international units per milliliter, I would say, yeah, you're in great shape. But if you will email me and send me the actual lab work, I'll look at it and I can calibrate it with, you know, I can convert it to these units and see where you are. But as it is now, this is that same problem, you know, with lab, different labs reporting things with different units. I don't know what units they were using.

Okay. All right, Dr. Scott, you got any other questions for us? Yes. It's from the waiting room. From the waiting room. Yes. So Cindy Walker asked if Tacey's vaginal treatment was still effective. Oh.

And if it's been, you know, because it's been a month or so since we've spoken about it, maybe two months or something. Yes, it is still effective. Okay, so tell it. There are people who don't know what we were talking about. So just give them the Reader's Digest version. I'm not exactly sure the one that I had done. Well. So.

You had radio frequency and microneed. Radio frequency and micrneedling, but I'm not exactly sure of the name of them. Okay. It's called Votiva, but it's, that bird doesn't matter. So, anyway, yeah, I would still do it again. I'm not going to the bathroom as often. I'm not getting up in the middle of the night as often. And when you laugh at my jokes, do you still piss your pants?

No, because I'm not laughing. But, yeah, I would absolutely. do it again, but I don't know how it compares to, like, true surgery. Well, you wouldn't, but that's, they're not asking that, though, so you had some stress incontinence? Is that fair to say? Yes. Yes. Uh-huh. And can you tell any difference in that? Yes, I can. Okay. So, and how many treatments did you have? Three. You had three. Each lasting for how long? Each time? Well, you go in and you do the numbing for like 30 or 40 How do you do the numbing?

Well, they use this, they stick like this, this bullet thing in you, and it does like Kegels with numbing cream all over it, so it numbs everything that way. So it stimulates you electrically to contract the pelvic muscles? Yes, yes. That's how they numb you. And then they get in there with that wand, and they do the work. Yeah. Is it painful when you have it done?

Yes, if it's not numb where they do it, then absolutely it's painful. Okay, so how much of you wasn't numb after the K-G-Wil machine? Well, the last time I had it done, I was not as numb on the outer area as I was. I can't imagine the outer area. And, yeah, so they didn't go as hardcore on me, but yeah, it would have seriously hurt. You would have jumped off the table. Yeah. On a scale of 1 to 10, where the numbing was, when you were having this done,

where would you rate your pain with 10 being, you know, they're chopping off your leg with a rusty saw. Like a one or two. Really? Nothing. Nothing. It was not even that. So it's very tolerable.

Yeah. It was just more embarrassing than anything. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. It's like going to the dentist when they had that ultrasonic kind of cleaner thing that kind of zap you. I mean, you don't. You don't. This has little needles in it. though yeah needles and through the needles apparently radio frequency comes up and if i can't gosh i wonder

where they got that idea from hmm oh okay so oh they're ripping me off from um can i say the difference that i saw or no should i just keep my mouth shut sure if you want to well you know it felt like um gosh how can i say this without being grown no no no no no no no no not at all um The two weeks after you did it, it felt sort of like you were ribbed for, you know, they used to have those condoms and say ribbed for your pleasure. That's what it felt like. You could tell that it was, it was like it was concentric rings sort of. You think it's from the inflammation where they did the needles?

Well, yeah. I mean, it causes increased blood flow. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. So that was interesting. I did notice that. So good. So there.

So would you recognize? recommend it. That's the question that they're asking. Yeah, if, yeah, you know, I'm glad I did it. It doesn't, listen, if you have a giant cystocil, which a cystocil is where your bladder is actually dropped, because the bottom part of the bladder is top part of the vagina, and if the vaginal wall has become so thin, the bladder can sometimes drop into the vagina. It's called a cystocil, and sometimes it can get so bad that you can actually see it from the outside. And this, I don't think this would solve that problem, but if you are relatively young as Tacey is and starting to notice that your control quite isn't the same, because women have a problem because there's just like an inch from the outside to the inside when it comes to the urethra, whereas guys, you know, like me, you know, it's at least 10, 12 inches from the outside to the inside. So, you know, it's a lot harder for urine. It was really starting to bother me, and now it's better.

So you're happy? Mm-hmm. All right. So it was worth it, and you did have no surgery? No surgery. Okay, good. Who was it that was asking about that? Oh, don't say it because then she'll be embarrassed.

Because she was just asking for a friend. Cindy. Yeah. Okay, yeah. And Cindy, if you do it, let us know. Yep. And she was wondering if we thought it might help with vaginal atrophy as well. Hmm. I'll have to look at the data on.

that it does increase blood flow and it increases some to or you know stimulate some tissue growth we can say hypothetically but i i don't if if you'll email me i'll get you some data on that i can find it what really works for vaginal atrophy though is estrogen cream yeah all right any other questions comments no are we good everybody happy i'm happy are you happy I'm happy and hot You are hot Wrap it up You're going to get you

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You're welcome. Thank you.