Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 518 - To Dream, the Same Crappy Dream...

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Dr Steve, Dr Scott, and Tacie discuss The CDC finally wakes up (sort of) Tacie's nether regions (AGAIN) Doing things in your dreams you're glad were not real Poor doctor/client communication H2O2 in medicine Canker sores (aphthous stomatitis) Old people feet Identical kids aren't identical Total possible genetic combinations in humans Neuropathic pain Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net  (now with NO !vermect!n!) (JUST KIDDING, Podcast app overlords! Sheesh!) roadie.doctorsteve.com (the greatest gift for a guitarist or bassist! The robotic tuner!) And our sponsor: BetterHelp.com/medicine (we all need a little help right now!) Also don't forget: Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap! "FLUID!") noom.doctorsteve.com (the link still works! Lose weight now before swimsuit season is over!) CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, Mark Normand, mystery guests! Stuff you will never hear on the main show ;-) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So anyway, yeah, Tacey will get hot and she'll be taking her clothes off in around 33 minutes because it's 1,000 degrees up here. Thank you, Tase. Want to say, happy birthday to the founder of our network, Cardiff Electric. Thank you, sir, and happy birthday. So now, we've got some things to, by God, talk about today. Oh, yeah. So let's talk about the new CDC guidelines for isolation and quarantine for COVID-19.

All right. So, you know, it's very interesting. some of the perspectives on here that really if you had said some of the shit that they say on this CDC site six months ago you would have been deplatformed from some places yeah like like we were kind of well that's right without without doing anything wrong we absolutely did nothing wrong we mentioned two words in the same sentence and it got us uh you know it got us a content warning that said that if we did it again they were going to deplatform us all together we finally won that one, but it was ridiculous.

So let's see here. What it says is regardless of vaccination status, you should isolate from others when you have COVID-19, of course. You should also isolate if you're sick and suspect that you have COVID-19, but do not

yet have test results. Of course. You should do that anytime. If you have a puke bug, you should do that. If your results are positive, follow the full isolation recommendations. below. If they're negative, you end your isolation. So if you test negative, go do what the hell you want to do. If you test positive, then you're to follow the full isolation recommendations below. And it says if you had COVID-19 and it's counted in days as follows. If you had no

symptoms, day zero is the day you were tested, not the day you received your positive test result. So if it took three days, let's say, you know, you got kind of sick on Monday. You say, I'm going to go get tested and that was on Monday you get your results back on Wednesday and it's positive but you have no symptoms you start counting from Monday not Wednesday okay okay day one is the first full day following the day you were tested and if you develop symptoms within the 10 days the clock restarts at day zero on the day of symptom onset so if you had no symptoms but all of a sudden you develop symptoms on Thursday and you tested on Monday day zero is now Thursday, and day one would be Friday.

Now, if you had symptoms, day zero is the day that you had symptoms, regardless of when you tested positive. So let's say you're an asshole, and you tested, you had symptoms on Friday, and then you went and partied and stuff and, you know, and then tested on Monday and you got your results on Wednesday and you were positive, day one is, it would be on Saturday if your symptoms started on Friday. Okay. So day zero would be Friday.

Now, if you test positive, stay home for five days. Isolate from others in your home because that's the time when you're most infectious. Wear a high-quality mask if you must be around others at home and in public. Do not go places where you're unable to wear a mask. Do not travel. I mean, really seriously, don't get in a plane. Stay home, separate from others as much as possible. We'll use a separate bathroom, if possible.

You know, don't share personal house I hold items like cups. Well, you ain't I can't drink out of that cup. You just had that's got the COVID in it. No shit. No. I wish I had Carl's no shit, Sherlock, no shit drop. I have to ask him for that. And, oh, you know, we could do this one.

Well, that's because you're an idiot. Anyway, all right. Now, when do you end isolation? If you had no symptoms the whole time, you end isolation after day five. And if you had symptoms, you can isolate, end isolation after day five if you're fever-free for 24 hours without the use of Tylenol ibuprofen or naproxin. And your symptoms are improving. They don't have to be gone. It just have to be improving.

Gotcha. If you still have fever, continue to isolate. they improve. Now, if you, that's it, this is mild illness, this is just self-limited. If you had moderate illness, that shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, or severe illness, in other words, you were

hospitalized. That's the definition now. Or you have a weakened immune system. Isolate through day 10. All right. And it really, you know, if you had severe illness, you need to consult your doctor before you come out of isolation. Although they're

going to go, oh, I don't know. It's right here. Regardless of when you end isolation, avoid being around people who are more likely to get very sick from COVID-19 until at least day 11. We're a high-quality mask when indoors around others

and not to go places when you're unable to wear a mask until you're unable to discontinue masking, see below. So now they've got another section for removing your mask. After you've ended isolation, that means you're, you know, that you've done whatever,

the things we just talked about, you still got to wear a mask through day 10, with day zero being whatever we just said it was. Okay. Or if you have access to antigen tests, you should consider using them. This is new. They said before, don't keep testing yourself. Okay. Because people will continue to test positive. Some people will. They'll continue to secrete viral RNA through their noses for some time.

And that doesn't mean they're infectious, but they'll test positive because the test doesn't test for whether you can transmit the disease to somebody. It just, you know, let's get Tacey on the camera there. That gets that and yawn. She's having a wonderful time. It doesn't test whether you can give it to somebody. It just tests whether you have viral RNA in your nose and the two things are not the same. But it says you should consider using them with two sequential negative tests 48 hours apart. you may remove your mask sooner than day 10.

So in the past, they always said just wear it for, if you get out in five days, you've got to wear it for another five days. Now they're saying if you do adogen tests and two of them are negative, you can remove it sooner. It doesn't say if that's positive, you can't. You're still remove it on day 10. You can just do it sooner than that if you test negative with those tests. Got you. So I think that's reasonable. Yeah.

All right. And there you go. doesn't say anything about whether you've had a vaccine or not on none of this and or if you had immunity before this or you know if you have had COVID-19 before because they figured out if you get the vaccine you're still probably going to you have a good chance of getting COVID in an area where there's a lot of high transmission and it's a new variant that you didn't have before so for example i had delta this new omicron variant the new b a what the fuck you know i may end up getting it yep i'm hoping that my previous vaccine two boosters and covid-19 will help carry me

through that so that i don't have what happened last time which was massive scarring in my lungs Yes. So, and Tacey, knock on wood, so far has, to her knowledge has not had it. I would love to do antibody test on you. It would be a fun thing that maybe we could do for the show because you were exposed to me when I had that badass variant, but you had been fully vaccinated. Liam sat right next to me with me hawking because I had to help him with his homework the first night, if you remember. They weren't really sure what was going on. And he didn't get it, as far as we know.

If he did, he had an asymptomatic. So it would be kind of fun to do COVID-19 antibodies on you, just see what you've got. Where do you even go to get those? Oh, I just write an order for COVID-19 antibodies. You just go to my office and get your blood drawn. But I think that would be a very educational thing to know. And they do, so, you know, I think that,

Can you look up the head of Pfizer and Google whether, how many times he's had COVID-19? Because I've heard this. I don't want to say it if it's not true. Pfizer CEO, COVID-Vax, let's just say COVID infection and see if anything comes up. Because I think, yeah. So here's from NBC News, Pfizer-C-E-O-FECTION, Albert Borla test positive for COVID, says he's experiencing very mild symptoms. He had the vaccine.

He's been double-boasted, I think. And he also started Paxlovid because, well, he's 60, so he's in that area. I don't know if he has any risk factors. I don't know his medical background. So he's on, you know, and Paxlovit is their drug. So early on in this thing, we were told, if you get a lot of, you know, the vaccine, you won't get COVID-19. We had prominent people in NIH, without naming any names, prominent people in the government,

one of the high, well, the highest office in the government telling us if you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID-19. It wasn't true. And if you, at that point, said something opposite that, you could get deplatformed. So we all know that that's not true. You'll still get it now. Am I against the vaccine? No, because I still think that the benefits outweigh the risk because.

And so I'm sort of in the middle. You know, you've got the people who are against the vaccine altogether and then people who are just, you know, vaccine loyalists. And let's look at the truth. It does decrease the risk of going to the hospital, which is what I care about. Yeah. I don't care if you get it said that for, just since the beginning. We don't care about cases, what we care about, because we never tracked cases of the common cold before.

And knowing that many of those were coronaviruses, and every year, 10 to 20,000 people died from those. And we just called it atypical pneumonia or viral pneumonia. We didn't test for it. Now we're testing for it. We see it everywhere. Yeah, go ahead. Why is this going to say, well, you know, now when people have this, you know, a couple years ago, before COVID, it would have been, it would have been. It would have been the summer cold.

We saw it. We've seen it every single year forever. It's calm and cold. It's not a big... And many of those were coronaviruses. Yes. And there's adenoviruses. There's pachronoviruses.

There are all these asshole viruses out there that just infect us to no purpose other than to just reproduce. So I think that once now that we're kind of getting used to the idea of this, that these viruses are there all the time. time that we may be able to get some move forward to declaring war on human coronaviruses which destroy them all and I have no compunction about that they don't do any anything positive that I'm aware of just get rid of them yeah and then you know what until we can use them to hijack and treat cancers and stuff well I'm okay with that yeah okay then they're good you know measles vaccine is a is a live attenuated virus that can be used to kill multiple myeloma, at least in one study.

Yeah, crazy. So I'm fine with that. They do do some interesting things. They don't do it on their own, though. We have to make them do it. We have to re-engineer them to do the things we want them to do. They're just little computers. They're little nanomachines that all they do is reproduce.

We just program them and they do their thing. Very male. They're very masculine little boogers. Oh, really? Is that what it is? Okay. Not real smart. They're just out for one thing to reproduce.

Sounds like some people I know, too. They have toxic masculinity of those viruses. So I know. Yeah. Anyway, so you can get it. You can transmit it, but the vaccine, the data is very solid. It helps prevent severe disease, which is what we cared about. That's what they said in the beginning, that we're two weeks to,

flatten the curve, was supposed to keep the medical system from becoming overwhelmed. Right. And it did become overwhelmed anyway, and now it's not overwhelmed. So look at the data. You can see the cases are not as high as they were during the first O'MCron peak. And hospitalizations are still flat. So, anyway, all right. Not to say people don't still get sick.

And when we had at the very tail end of this, when people, we still had ICU's full of people for a while there, the only people we had in the ICU were people who were unvaccinated. I will say that. Yeah. That is not scientifically sound. You have to look at the whole old population. But it's a fact you ask anyone who worked in the ICU that if they had someone in there that had been vaccinated, that was very unusual. and they usually had some other problem like they were on chemotherapy or something like that.

They were pretty ill. Yeah. Okay. So there they go. The CDC is following the science. After all this time of telling us to follow science, I don't know. You know, it's, I understand they got to be, they have to be very conservative and they don't want to say anything wrong, but goodness gracious.

It is insane. This is more rational, though. Yep. It makes sense. To me. Tacey say something to think you're a cardboard. I am cardboard. Who said she was cardboard?

No, they're just saying, have Tacey say something. No, she agreed. This is one thing she probably agrees with. Yeah. All right. Yeah, Tacey, so how's it going? It's going okay. How's the old Vaj?

Oh, Vag is good. Okay. We did. Oh, let's get late. Oh, let's talk about the dream we had, Steve. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Well, the reason I asked about your nether regions is because we did a show about you having the radio frequency stimulation. Yes. And then we also had Gina Levy on our Patreon. And people will know her.

She's on Twitter a lot, but she also it's okay. I don't like to define people by who they're married to, but she's Bob Levy's wife. Never happens to me. Never happens to me. She's Dr. Steve's wife. Who?

Mm-hmm. I don't know. It happens to me all the time. Who? Anyway. So, but that was a fun on Patreon show. We did Girl Talk with Tacey and Gene. I wouldn't need to do that again. Yeah.

You guys talked about surgical mishaps, cosmetic surgical mishaps. Yeah, just having, if people who have interesting medical stories, you know, I think that would be great stuff for Patreon, too. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, because there's lots of stories out there. Oh, yeah. But anyway, so, yes, we had this weird dream. So, Scott, have you ever had this happen?

And then we'll throw, this is crazy, and then we'll throw the extra crazy on at the very end. Cool. So have you ever had a dream where you're taking a dump in your dream? And then you wake up going, God, I hope I didn't actually just shit the bed. So he's got to think about it anyway. I don't think so. Okay.

So, oh. Maybe with the bed, but I don't think about it. Okay, well, we're passing in your dream and you're worried that you wake up. Well, I had a dream. I had an inception dream where it was a dream within a dream where I dream that I, you know, pass gas in the shower and just shit all over everywhere. Oh, no. And, you know, just sort of like Marvin's head in Pulp Fiction, except it was shit. Instead of blood coming out of his head, it was shit coming out of my ass.

And it splattered against the back wall of the shower. hour. And then, and I was like, what in the hell? And then in my dream, I wake up, but I'm still sleeping. I'm dreaming this. I'm dreaming that I woke up and I went, oh, my God, I hope I didn't shit the bed. And then I woke up for real. Oh, my God. Thank God. That was a dream. So I called Tacey in the morning, you know, on my way when I was driving back from work. I said, we had the weirdest dream last night. And I told her that. And then what did you say? I had the same dream. It's scary when you think you're going to the bathroom in your dream.

Why did we dream that on the same night? What keeps you from actually doing it? No, one of these days. And how embarrassing is that going to be when it does happen? Because one of these days. Yes, one of these days. And then what happens if then now you just. We'll put him in the institution.

Well, what if it's me? I mean, what do you say? I'm sorry. I was dreaming it. I can't help it. Yeah. I mean, but that is disgusting. It was tough.

That's a tough way to go. I was dreaming that I was having sex for that stripper taste. Yep. When we, what I'm concerned about is that maybe it would happen once and it would be like a weird thing. But what if you start doing it? You know, it's when you start doing something, it's like it's okay to do it. It's like when you smoke that one cigarette, you smoke a pack a day. What if you just start shitting that?

the bed every night. That would be horrible. Yeah. We would get, what did they call it when you separate beds? Separate rooms. Well, I mean, it's called like a divorce, a bedroom divorce or something. Oh, I'd be like a, there's actually a term for it. Lucy and Desi bed or something. No, it's different rooms. Desi and Lucy, you know, were married and they had a kid, but they always would have to show them in separate beds because, God forbid, back then that they implied that a man and a woman would sleep in the same bed. How prudish were we back then? That's crazy. We're not that much

less prudish now. If you watch Love Island UK, they're calling people everything you can think of, including the C word that I can't even really say on serious exam. I mean, I could. Or on our podcast. It's just not nice. Of course, it means something different. But then they, you know, so I've always been told

that the C word is like, oh, that's like, you know, a wanker or something like that. It's not that big of a deal to say. But then I was heard that Fanny in the UK means, you know, is a pejorative for vagina. But then they say that too. That moron season five, oh, I got the Fanny Flutters.

Oh, my God. And they, but they say shit and fuck and, you know, Dick and Bell End and all kinds of stuff on there. And we can't get any of that on our TV. No. You know, cable every once in a while, Ooh, they said the S word. And it's like, I don't understand why we're so different in that way.

Scott, you really should join us on the Love Island, UK. Oh, my God, it's the greatest show of all time. Yeah, I can tell you're missing it. It's only 52 episodes a season. So I was talking to Greg Hughes, the actor that, you know, played opie on the Anthony show. And today, and he was talking about how his wife and kid watched trashed. TV, and I said, oh, I got one for you, but don't let the nine-year-old watch. Yeah.

And so they'll report back. We'll see. Oh, funny. Yeah, I'll have to binge watch it. I may have just ruined them, too. No, there's eight seasons, and there's 50 episodes a season. Oh, my God. Because, well, they, in the UK, they do Monday through Thursday, and then Friday, they have

this thing called afterson, where they do a recap, and then they'll do unseen bits where they have, like, outtakes and stuff. Jeez. But it's every night. Oh, my God. Yeah, so we only watch the, the, the, the, the, we don't watch after sun. We don't have that kind of time. No.

No. So we only watch three. Actually, we're watching two seasons, so that's not true. Right, we're watching season eight and season five. Oh, my God, it's hilarious. That's hilarious. Lord. Well, we like Davidey and Ekinsu, so.

That is funny. You are a liar. All right. So, okay, where are we? We were going to take some calls. I think Scott's got a story. Okay. I've got one if you want a story.

You want to go to whatever? Let's do some call. You got anything pressing story-wise? It can wait until next week. Are you sure? Yeah, it's a good one. That way you don't have to look up anything next week, Scott. Number one thing.

Don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. Okay, so here is a disgruntled acupuncture. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Oh, what's up? I'm tired right now, but I just wondered about acupuncture. They say 60 minutes, but it's 45 minutes. What's the deal? Thanks. I don't know if you can get a chance to listen. I don't have the on-demand. But, yeah, they say it's 60 minutes, 45 minutes.

Thanks for everything. Thanks for help. I love the show. I just can't hear it all the time. Yeah, man. Used to be on more in 2014, I think, or years past, I don't know. They change up the time. Now the channel's gone crazy. You don't have to put all that in there. No, it's too late, dude. Sorry about that. Trying to see if there's more to your question. Yeah, so, Scott, what's the deal? It says 60-minute appointment, and it's only 45 minutes.

What the fuck, dude? You are a liar. You are a liar. I've got to get that drop from my soundboard of Davidae saying, you are a lot. I would suggest that hopefully, regardless of the time, he's getting appropriate care. Yeah, so 60-minute appointments.

It would be an awfully long time. I mean, I do 15 minutes. I don't want people expecting much of me, if you know what I mean. I like to keep the threshold low. Well, I do think that the marketing side at this practice, wherever he is, is poor. They need to take that into account because people want to get their money's worth. Yeah, exactly. And if you're going to do 45 minutes, say 45 minutes.

Or do this, say 30 and give them 45. Then they get next to you. No, I agree with you. Yeah, and then they feel like they're getting more than they bargained for. What really probably happens is they have 60-minute slots, and I'm assuming it was an initial visit, but I don't know. And they have 60-minute slots, and they probably said, you know, we allot 60 minutes for this or whatever. But 15 minutes of it is checking you in, getting your insurance information, doing pay, you know, checking you out, getting you set up for the. the next thing.

So they need to be more up front about that, or more clear. Yeah, I think this is solely just a communication issue. Yeah, but hopefully he's getting great care. But it's not on the patient side. This is absolutely on the office side. The provider side, you've got to be clear about the expectations because these kinds of things will happen. And it's bad for your reputation.

It is. Let's do some other stuff. That guy's not going around talking about how great it was. He's just going around talking about how he didn't get his... And that's the thing. He actually had a good experience there. Yeah. That's what he said.

It was a good experience, but he was expecting, you know, 60 minutes. Because we've talked to him, you know, on the side. And he said he had a great experience. He's just wondering why they said 60 and only gave him 45. I don't blame him. Now, there are other things that physicians and any provider can do that are shitty, and we don't even realize it. That's one of them. You know, managing expectations, et cetera, is, yeah, so over-promising that kind of thing.

So that's a given. Using the words, well, there's two words that we use that our patients use completely different than we do. And that's positive and negative. If you have a positive attitude, that's a good thing. If you have a positive checking account balance, that's a good thing. if you have a positive lung biopsy that's not a good thing and so or and using negative if you have a negative balance that's a bad thing but a negative biopsy is a good thing so I had a friend of mine who's a physician and I was giving this talk to physicians about why we should use shouldn't use words like that at least not the way we use them and he said that his mom got a call I think I've told this story before from her doctor's office said and she said oh thank god my uh influenza test was positive and she's thinking that means it was a good thing yes now who would call a patient and

say oh your test was positive well thank you click exactly that's terrible idea no it's just terrible communication either that or she just didn't hear the rest and which happens to Sure. If you just front load bad news to somebody and just dump the news in their lap without letting them know it's coming first, they won't hear anything else. Now they shut down. If you just go, well, you've got stage four cancer. That's a ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, all you're going to hear is cancer, cancer, cancer in your head. Whereas if you say, you know, this biopsy didn't turn out the way we hoped it would, you know, it looks like it, you know, there's cancer there and it looks like it's spread.

that's chopping it up into little bits, warning them that the bad news is coming, and then pausing to get the reaction and doing back and forth, and then empathy and validation, all that stuff. None of that was done with my friend's mom. Well, your test was positive. See you later. Have fun with that information.

Call us if you need to say. Yeah, yeah, and she thought that meant that she didn't have influenza. So normal and abnormal. Ahmed, if you're listening, Don't say positive and negative to your patients. No. Normal and abnormal. Okay.

All right how he's doing. Hopefully. He's doing great. I've been in touch with him. Oh, cool. He's had some amazing experiences, and they had an experience recently that I actually was a case very similar to that that I had written about in the National Medical Literature, don't you know?

Ooh, yeah. Thank you. I wish I had the drop. No one said there'd be boasting. And I'll have to get that one for next time, too. And I sent him that article, so he can sound highfalutin on rounds when they talk about it. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, he's going to try to get back down here again.

All right. If you don't know who we're talking about, go to our podcast and go back, and I think it's Ahmed saves the world or something like that. Real quick, speaking of the communications things, D.P. was saying that he had a Darren Parker. Yeah, he was talking about his nuclear stress test. They said, it looks uninteresting. Oh, God. Oh, that's hilarious.

Uninteresting. Yeah, it's like, we're bored looking at this. Yeah, it's uninteresting. May want to follow. And I would understand what they meant. You don't want an interesting test, but that just sounds like you don't give a shit. And it's like I'll hear doctors say, well, we're going to withdraw care. We never stop saying that we never withdraw care.

We never stop caring. for our patients, we can stop providing certain treatments with drawing care. We're going to amend our protocol. Yeah. Okay, that sounds pretty snooty, but yeah. That'd be better than saying we're going to withdraw care.

Anyway, all right. Want to do another one? Yeah. Well, all right. Well, where the hell is it? Oh. Sorry, buddy. Hello, Dr. Steve.

Hey, man. Good morning. Good morning. Frank from Indiana here. Hey, Frank. I was wondering, and I had a question, well, two questions, actually. My sore throats, you know, it seems like we're getting a lot more sore throats around, I guess, due to COVID. What do you think about gartling with half hydrogen peroxide, half water?

It seems like it burns that shit right out. That feels like it, doesn't it? I didn't know if that was. safe harmful or what, but and then the second part of the question was about this machine. Yes. They heard a lot of negative

stuff about those lately, and I didn't know if that ozone was particularly harmful or anything like that. Okay. Burning up the equipment and all kinds of stuff. I was just wondering your thoughts on that. Okay. Well, I don't

want to talk about any specific brands of anything. But when I when I was told I had pulmonary fibrosis, which turned out not to be true, I looked up to see if ozone, you know, ozone, there are lots of different brands of ozone generators that you can use for cleaning your CPAP machines or bipap machines or other things. And I wanted to see it. And there was a couple of articles in the National Medical literature that said, yeah, there might be. an association, but it's really flimsy. And that would be exposure

to high doses of ozone. And when you have one of those machines, they have ways that they circulate regular air through there to clean out the ozone, et cetera. So whatever you're getting is not a very high dose. It doesn't really

hang around. I mean, ozone is, you know, oxygen three. So, you know, instead of O2, which is oxygen, as gaseous oxygen, you know, ozone is 03. So it's, because oxygen likes to live as O2, it's stable there, that extra oxygen molecule will, or atom will peel off, and then it'll be very reactive until it combines with

another free oxygen atom to make O2 again, but it can react with all kinds of stuff. Okay. And so that's the issue is that, you know, you have ozone will kill bacteria and stuff like that. It'll sterilize things. It doesn't actually clean anything. So talk to your provider about it. Some of the providers sell them. And they think, you know, the pulmonologists and sleep people will sell those things.

And some of them don't recommend them. So if you get on these forums, they'll say absolutely not. I'm fine with it as long as you run it and I haven't seen any data that says that they're dangerous I'm just not sure how much good that they do I stopped using mine and I just clean I followed the instructions I clean mine once a week with vinegar and water

you know warm water and dry it and do all that stuff and then change it when you're supposed to I haven't had any problem so yeah so you're kind of on your own with that one yeah Tacey still uses her Well, I use it once a week now, and I clean my machine. I figure once a week is going to at least clean the reservoir. Yeah.

The reservoir is a little tough to clean, and so if you run it through there, at least, you know, it's sterilized. And that's where the water is. So I will keep looking at that if I ever see any really damning information. Of course, if there really was or were damning data on this, I would think the FDA would have yanked them already. So the data that I saw was really flimsy. And so it didn't, you know, really affect my decision.

I just figured if it isn't helping it, you know, I'm not going to mess with it anymore. Now, what was the first part of his question? Oh, hydrogen peroxide. Gargling it. I'm not opposed to it. When I gargle, used to try to gargle with hydrogen peroxide, even diluting at 50-50, it would foam up in my mouth and then you end up swallowing that stuff and always make me feel

kind of vaguely ill you know it might help ease a sore throat particularly if it's a bacterial infection by maybe knocking back some of the bacteria and just that tingling and burning makes you always think you're doing something when I've

had people with fungal infections of the nuts we'll call it tinny acruis you know, fungal infection of the inguinal region, they'll put bleach on it and say, oh, yeah,

I was burning it out with the bleach. It doesn't really work, or you'd think it would, but it just doesn't kill the hyphy, you know, of the fungal forms of those organisms. And, you know, part of them are buried into the skin.

Right, they're deeper. So you have to actually use an antifungal medication for that. and the bleach, but it feels like you're doing something because it burns so bad, you know. So anyway, there are, there's a randomized trial from 2017 on hydrogen peroxide where they looked at 53 people that tested hydrogen peroxide as a treatment for gum disease. And one group received root debreedment and hydrogen peroxide. and the other group just received root debreedment. So, debreedment is just, you know, scraping away of yucky crap.

And that results indicated the hydrogen peroxide group had fewer signs of gum disease by the end of the study compared to the group that had received the root debreedment alone. This is not a placebo-controlled trial. Be hard to do in a situation like this. So, you know, so there you go. I don't have, just don't drink it and don't be ridiculous. Now, one thing I did find... And diluted.

And diluted. Yes, for sure. Yes, absolutely. And talk to your oral care provider on that stuff. But one thing that I found was, you know, I used to get aftus ulcers. I call them canker sores. And canker sores are sort of well demarcated, scooped out ulcers in your mouth, and they hurt like hell.

And they seem to go on longer than they should. So before I found canker covers, which is my favorite thing, now it's a gel, bandage that you just stick on there and it sometimes will heal them overnight. Wow. So look for canker covers. They're kind of a pain to put on. They're disgusting to put on. You've tried it, right?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to get it on the end of your finger and you've got to open up your mouth and you've got to stick it right on there. You've got to hold it on there for 30 seconds. So it will adhere to that preferent, to the ulcer preferentially over your finger. Right. Because, you know, it's kind of sticky and it'll stick.

to your finger too, so you want it to stick harder to your mouth than it will to your finger, so you've got to hold it there for a while. And that turns into this sort of hydrophilic gel. It makes a bandage. And it turns out that part of the reason cancorsors won't heal is because you're washing, constantly washing

saliva over them and washing your tongue over them and eating and stuff. And when you put this bandage on there, it allows that area to heal very rapidly because the inside of the mouth generally, it's got really great blood supply. It should heal quickly.

But the other thing I found that helped is if I took a Q-tip and I dipped it in hydrogen and peroxide, you know, the regular kind that you buy, you know, whatever the 1 to 3%, what is it, is it 1% or the 3%? Scott, will you look it up?

I don't want to tell somebody to get the wrong thing, but the stuff in the brown bottle that you can just buy over the counter at CVS. And I would stick the Q-tip in there and then just hold it right onto the base of the canker sore for like 15, 30 seconds.

That way you're not getting so much in your mouth that it's foaming up... 3%. Thank you. It's foaming up and you're swallowing it and making yourself sick. And you get that horrible taste in your mouth and stuff. So I would just apply it only to where the canker sore was

so you didn't get all of that extra stuff in your mouth that's going to places that don't require. it. And that would help to, I'd do that for a couple of days and they would go away faster that way too. I do not have data on that. That is anecdotal data but I found that to be effective as well.

Now if you have multiple canker sores, we might as well talk about canker soresource for a minute. Seems like you want to. Well, I do want to. Because it's something I can wax eloquent about. Okay. If you get them frequently and get multiple ones, get your

blood, I'm sorry, your red blood cells checked. People who are anemic, even slightly anemic, may get aftosalcers. And also, you want to use a biotin-free toothpaste. And, no, I'm sorry, that's wrong. No, you want to use biotin, the toothpaste biotin, because it is sodium laurel sulfate-free. I just said something stupid, so let me give me one of these. Well, that's because you're an idiot. So, yeah, you want to use a sodium oral sulfate-free toothpaste,

and the one that I know is brand name is biotin. Okay. All right. And that sometimes will help as well. But if you have tons of them and your just mouth is always in agony, then absolutely see your primary care provider make sure that you're not missing something. Now, one of the other things about peroxide, by the way, I guess we should talk about, is that is the active ingredient in most of these teeth whitening things.

You know, they'll put it in gel, and then you put the gel into sort of a, you know, a mold that's molded to your teeth, and then you, you know, apply it, and some of them will use ultraviolet light to activate the hydrogen peroxide, and really what they're doing at that point, and hydrogen proxy, we were talking about ozone, here's another, you know, free oxygen running around, is water is H2O, two hydrogens and oxygen and hydrogen peroxide is H2O2 so it's got that extra oxygen that's easily kicked off of there and it just wants to react with something and apparently using ultraviolet light will increase

the lysis of that H2 and apply that extra oxygen to the teeth providing the whitening so there's lots of different kits you can buy see your dentist and talk to them first before you mess with any of that stuff, though. All right.

Any other questions or comments about hydrogen peroxide? No, I think we're good. All right. Go kiss my ass. Here we go. Let's do old people's feet. What is this one? Boy, I've got preponderance or predilection pertaining to pediatry today.

Perplexing? Yes. Yeah. Anyway, I've got some neighbors. They're older gentlemen, apparently with diabetes, and they've got sort of perpetual postules or sores of some sort on their legs, feet, and whatnot. Yeah. They can't kind of fucking heal them up. What does it up with that if there's anything we can do to help them?

I like helping these old guys. You want to help them? No, it would pay for their podiatry appointment. You know, why do old people have gnarly feet? Why do we have gnarly anything else? I mean, we're old. Yeah. And the one reason the feet go bad is because we're on them all the time.

You know, all of our weight is on these, we're bipedal. And it's just unbelievable the amount of force that is applied to feet. It's amazing to me that we're able to walk as long as we can. And if you see somebody that's 80 that's not walking around with a cane or a walker, that's a real feet. What were you going to say, Taze? Oh, I was just going to say, I mean, it doesn't matter now. Yes, it does. No, it doesn't.

I have all these barnacles on my skin now that just have popped up here recently, and my dermatologist said, oh, it's birthdays, that's why. Oh, birthdays. Oh, they said that to you? They said it's those birthdays, and that's what happened. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. what bedside manner that is well i mean it's true though you don't have little barnacles or skin

i don't know what you call them dittsles dittsles you don't have dittsles when you're you don't have barnacles you don't have barnacles i mean i don't want to make it sound like i'm disgusting because i don't have things like that look like barnacles on me but that's just what i call yeah lever spots liver spots you got to take them don't's liverpool liver They said, well, it's just them birthdays. Birthdays. Yep. And it's true.

Yeah. Sorry, I had the cameras off for a minute. God, Lord. This is some show. We don't do the video because we want to be a video show. We like hanging out with our friends like Darren Parker and Chris Damon and David Corchato and Patty Blue and Richard Kish and those folks. Sean Pedrick. Yeah, Kish was just saying

the Chris has a clinical mouthwash that has hydrogen peroxide in, I guess, is good. Yes, yes, they do. And so, yeah, there's, I didn't want to, I hope I didn't imply that there's no use for hydrogen peroxide.

No, no. I think that people that get it and just start swigging and gargling the whole bottle, though, I just don't think that's good for it. And anyway, all right. Yeah, so old people's

feet. If you want to help those people buy them some slippers and massage their feet with the coconut oil. Yes. Get them some lantamette and some syaph and apply that to their feet for them.

Otherwise, just drive them to their podiatry appointments. All right. Hey, Dr. Steve. I got a very stupid question for you in regards to genetic. hypothetically speaking, if two individuals, two of the same people could reproduce infinitely, what are the odds, if any, that those two people would have two identical children?

I don't know why I thought of it, just did, random thought, want your input. Yeah, that's a harder problem than the one I'm going to answer. So when I was in medical school, one of the things my professor asked me a question. I said, well, I don't know the answer to that, but I do know this other related thing that was also an picky-ass little shitty point that didn't have anything to do with anything. And he said, very good. Always answer the question you know the answer to if you can. So, you know, I appreciate that. So what I think is even more interesting is if all the people of the world,

reproduced how many would have to what are the odds that we would produce the same person twice okay not just two people

but if everybody did and the total possible combination of alleles those are the little places in your genes that code for

attributes the total combination of alleles is approximately 70 trillion, 368 billion, 744 million. That's a lot. Trillions of times more combinations than the number of people that have ever lived. And that's why you can walk down the street and everyone is genetically unique. It is amazing to me that with two eyes, one knows, one mouth,

a chin, some ears, some hair, that you can walk down the street and not be confused, like, oh, that's me. It's never happened. No. It's kind of crazy. It really is. It is amazing to me.

Just going to show the variations of all the genes. Well, and it also shows how good we are at discriminating minor differences in people's faces, too. Because you can, if you get to know people who are genetically identical, you know, identical twins, and at first you can't tell them apart, then once you get to know them, it's obvious. Which is really interesting.

They're genetically identical. They have different epigenetics, which means it's not just the genetics. There's other things going on where there are other molecules that are turning some genes on and turning some off that do cause a different internal environment. That's why you can have two identical twins. One's left-handed. One's right-handed. One's mathematical. One's artistic.

One's gay. One's straight. It happens all the time. and I've witnessed that personally. But yet they're genetically identical, and you say, well, it can't be their upbringing because they're brought up in the same house, and it can't be their genetics

because they're genetically identical, then what is it? The only answer is epigenetics. You know, nano-environmental changes. All right. Let's see here. We've only got about a minute left. Have you got something?

No. Okay, then I'm going to play the second half of that weird guy that called last time. I get little inklings every now about some recent decisions you made. I applaud that wholeheartedly, and I accept whatever, whoever, you know, Dr. Steve is. Because Dr. Steve is, we are all changing all the time. So, you know, I mean, you know, let's face it, man, you know. I mean, I'm probably as good as examples as anybody. I mean, I used to be a woman in that sex change job.

What? They did a hell of a job, too, Doc. All right. We'll talk later on, man. Try to call me. I'm here in Chapel. Well, Pittsburgh, actually. You know the place. All right, Dr. Steve. Good to hear your voice, which I didn't, but I hope I will soon. All right. Bye, bye. I'm going to hang up now. You've made it clip down and close it. Still three minutes left on this call. I feel real ludic. I don't even have to turn my phone off. I've trapped your going to go on. How much longer do you think your machine will be recording? Because I actually, now that I think about it, I have a few times

I really like the sort of an easier way. If you can spare up, 77 years, I just had. And I think probably I've got a few times. I could maybe sort of split your way, maybe kind of give you a little better. All right. Okay, enough of that. Why don't we take a couple more phone calls than we'll get out of here, all right? Let's see here.

Dr. Steve, this is Terry. I hope you guys are doing well. Hey, thanks, ma. You too. I am a regular listener, and I, uh, I, appreciate everything you've given me for information. And you and I have corresponded before by email. I wanted to ask, I'm beginning to get my neuropathy and my right foot

has become a little bit more intense than ever was. I have a good friend who's got it with both feet, and he's a man suffering horrendously. And I know you've talked about it before, but I would love to have you. give more information about dealing with neuropathy. I'm in your age group and I would love to talk more about it or

if you can email me, my email. Oh, okay, I don't want to give out. I don't want to docks the guy. So, yeah, neuropathy sucks. So there's two kinds of pain. The tree of pain has two branches. No Susceptive pain

and neuropathic pain. And no susceptible pain. is functional pain. That's the kind of pain you get when Dr. Scott sticks a needle in you and you jump and go, what the hell? Why are you sticking a needle in me for?

And you go, ouch. And it's the kind of pain that keeps you from sticking your hand on the hot stove twice when you're a little kid. And then there is neuropathic pain, which just tells you that there's,

it's not functional pain. It's just telling you that there are nerves damaged. It's like, well, you can't do anything about it. Well, you can, but I mean, it's not, not protective really and so the question is what's causing the damage nerves was it a toxic assault which would be like chemotherapy or exposure to certain chemicals or statins yeah that is a chemical thank you so is it some medication or some toxin that caused it these are real toxins

not bullshit toxins and and then you know the answer to that is well first stop the insult, you know, stop, stop, you know, being exposed to the toxin if you can. And then number two would be blood sugar, which really is toxic, but we put it in a different in a different category. So diabetic neuropathy, and they can get mono-neuropathies, which are just single nerves. You can get mononeuropathy multiplex, which is single nerves all over the place, you know, multiple single nerve problems, or you can get just peripheral neuropathy where your hands and feet start tingling and you have numbness and pain and stuff.

And then you can have neuropathy from things like trauma or compression of nerves. So people have heard of carpal tunnel syndrome. That is a compression neuropathy where the nerve is encompassed as it passes from the forearm into the hand. So when you have a compressive neuropathy, the trick is to decrease the compression. That could be surgical decompression or it could be steroids. You know, my back, I have a compression neuropathy in my back, but it gets better when my physical medicine at rehab doc takes a foot long needle and jams it in my back, right where

the pain is and injects some steroids around there. and it decreases the swelling around there, it takes the pressure off the nerve. If it's diabetes, obviously having better diabetic control helps. And now, so those are, so you remove the toxin and you get your better glucose control. Now you still have the neuropathy, though. What are you going to do about it? So we have some things that we can do.

Dr. Scott, I've been monologuing. What do you guys do for people with neuropathic pain? Well, exactly like you said, first of all, try to identify. what it is, and if we can stop whatever it is they're taking, then that's stopping the insult initially. But a lot of times, Dr. Steve, you know, you can't, so we have to find out some

other ways. And we do a couple of different therapies. You know, one of the things we use and we've talked about before. Astralogus. Astragalus. You can always take astraglis. If you'll just visit Simplyurbils.com. Yeah, Simpleirables.com. You don't have to be

coy about it. Go to simplyerbils.com. But you're not selling neuropathic supplements. No, but hell, I'll say anything else. Oh, Jesus. No, no, no, I'm just kidding. But, but, you know, acupuncture. For certain neuropies, we use acupuncture because it does stimulate the nerves and it helps to calm things down.

I don't love using acupuncture needles in diabetic feet. Yeah. And I certainly don't like using them. Give yourself a bill. Give you that, you know, in a non-stick arm. So if someone's had, you know, breast cancer with lymphode involvement, to the side that I don't stick needles in that side. Okay. Good.

Just for obvious safe reasons. We also have a wellness machine. It's like a frequency unit, very similar tension we'll use sometimes to stimulate blood flow. You know, far infrared light works, and certainly Yeah, there are people using infrared

for neuropathy. Some of my patients have had really good results from that. And you know what? And we also use this stuff called white oil that's a topical oil with some menthol and stuff in it. Is that the white flower oil? The white flour oil, yeah. Yeah.

And that can help some, too. And what I tell people. I bought that at Amazon for myself. I like it. It's actually pretty nice. And then I found it at the Asian market that I go to every week. It's good stuff. It's not very expensive.

And it's pretty effective. You know, but neuropathy is so difficult to treat. But, you know, the key is you have to figure out which one because you can do all these things. But if it's like you and it's a ridiculopathy from a stenosis. Oh, boy, you just threw out two. medical jargons that people are going, you've got a nerve pain shooting down wherever. Because of narrowing.

Because of a narrowing in a spinal cord. Thank you. All those things we're doing really don't help as much, but a big foot long needle stuck in your back can. And conversely, you know, you might have an epidural like you've had for yours, and that's not what's causing your

neuropathy. Right. Yeah, if you had diabetic, neuropathy, sticking steroids in your back would be the dumbest thing you could do. It's going to make it worse. So, so those are those things. Now, what can somebody do? You can go to our website, and if you go to Dr. Steve.com, and on the right, there's a menu, and one of the choices is for neuropathy sufferers, I have data that's not very good

on at least four different supplements, nutritional supplements that you can take, that at least have some data. Yeah. And I will say anecdotally, for me, it really helped me a lot. And so there's some information there. So there are some nutritional supplements that will supposedly help stimulate the body to regenerate those nerves. It just gives them the building blocks. So they're all readily there.

So it'll speed the process that's already going on along. Because peripheral nerves, if you stop insulting them, they will regrow. Yeah. But it may take a year or two. Yeah, you have to stop the abuse. Now, the number one prescription drug for diabetic neuropathy would be deloxetine, which is also known as Simbalta, which was originally studied as a drug for bladder spasm and then was eventually sold as an antidepressant. But it's also pretty good for that dorsal horn inhibition that will decrease the transmission of pain signals to the brain. So deloxetine, and then gabapentin is, was used off-label for years, and now is, you know, indicated for neuropathic pain.

And then there's another one called pre-gablin or lyrica. Gabapentin is also known as neurotin. And then the weird one, if you have chemotherapy-associated neuropathy, and you got to keep taking your chemo, and you've tried all those things and nothing works, you've done the supplements, and you've done, done the deloxetine and you've done gabapentin and and pre-gabalin, then you may be a candidate for methadone. And it sounds crazy. Methadone, well, why would you do that? That's to get you off drugs.

It's like, well, they use it to get people off drugs opioids because it's cheap, and it has a long duration of action. So it's dirt cheap. They can buy jugs of it for 40 bucks and dose people. up once a day and tell them come back tomorrow and it'll still stay in their system for a day. It'll stave off withdrawal for 24 hours.

So that's why that's used, but you can it's still a great drop. Right. And it's the only opioid that we have that is specific against the N-Methyl deaspartate receptor or NMDA receptor. It doesn't matter what that is, but just so you know, that

is a receptor that when you turn it off and methadone does that pretty efficiently. When you turn it off, it will decrease the pain sensation that's associated with neuropathic pain.

We call it hyperalgae. Don't worry about that either. I'm just throwing the jargon out, but then I'm explaining it unlike Dr. Scott does. So low-dose methadone can be used for cases of neuropathy when there is

when nothing else has happened and people are desperate. So there's a multifaceted approach using some pharmacologic stuff, some non-pharmacologic stuff, and talk to your neurologist about it or your primary care, or go to our website and click on the link that says

for neuropathy suffers. Okay. All right. Are we done? Are we done? I think we're good to go. I don't have anything else. You got anything to plug, Dr. Scott? Nope. Yes, you do. Oh, yeah, my simple error was not there. Get you some nasal spray. Get some stress, Liz.

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