Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 531 - Everything I Know is Wrong

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Dr Steve, Dr Scott, PA Lydia, and Tacie discuss health and nutrition with Vinnie Tortorich, formerly "The Angriest Trainer in America." He's give up the moniker, and is dedicated to changing the way we eat in this society. Basically Dr Steve gets schooled. ;-) But there WILL be a debate about soy in the diet in the future! Check out Vinnie's work at vinnietortorich.com, and watch him lambast the "fake meat" industry in his new film, BEYOND IMPOSSIBLE on Amazon Prime! Other topics: made up rules on vaccine separation Peppermint Patty (aka @Loveit) has a weird muscle problem fusion power is always 10 years away and more! Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net  (now with NO !vermect!n!) (JUST KIDDING, Podcast app overlords! Sheesh!) roadie.doctorsteve.com (the greatest gift for a guitarist or bassist! The robotic tuner!) Weird Medicine: The Podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/medicine (Give online therapy a try and get on your way to being your best self!) Also don't forget: Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap! "FLUID!") noom.doctorsteve.com (the link still works! Lose weight now before swimsuit season is over!) Most importantly! CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, Mark Normand, mystery guests! Stuff you will never hear on the main show ;-) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, it's Pete Davidson's birthday today. We are recording this on Pete Davidson's birthday. I don't want to docks him by giving out the actual. actual date, but I guess everybody knows. It's November 16. If you look at Facebook, you know. Okay. Yeah. So, happy birthday. How old is he? Happy birthday. He would be,

I don't know if he wants me to say. So, but he's getting, he's getting close to a big one. And let me just put that. Let me just say that. Cool. He's a baby. I was like we used to be that age. He's a good way. And if you are a fan of Pete or not a fan of Pete, or you want to, or whatever, check out our Patreon at

Patreon.com slash weird medicine. We had Pete on our show last week. So we had him for a whole ten minutes. Ten minutes. That's a long time. Says something about either how busy or he is or how bad is ADHD is. I'm not sure which. But yeah, we captured his attention for 10 minutes and then he was on his way. But it was a fun 10 minutes. And then we talked about him for 20 minutes. By the time, the first time we met him. Anyway, let's get to our guest here. We have a guest today. And he has not been on the the show. I look back since like show number 130

on the podcast side. And so we're at show number 450 something or 400 or 500, something like that on the podcast side. Anyway, he, and we have a whole section of our website at

Dr. Steve.com dedicated to his number one subject which is no sugar no grains. Ladies and gentlemen, Vinny Tortorich. Thank you. Hello, Vinnie. Are you there, my friend? Hey, Steve, how's it going, man?

Doing great, man. I want everybody to check out your website at vinytortrich.com. And like I said, it's been so long since we have talked that you have three movies out we're going to talk about. You've moved on a little bit from no sugar, no grains to talk about no seed oils. But for the people who don't remember you, give us a little bit of your bio. as far, you know, just the Reader's Digest version, you've trained a bunch of people in Hollywood to, you know, to optimize their health and their bodies and all that kind of stuff. Give them just a little bit of your bona fide, so we'll know who we're talking to. Yeah, you know, I have a degree in exercise physiology and nutrition, and I was a fitness trainer for 40 years, one of the first ones when people started doing that in the early 80s.

And then by 1990, I was in Hollywood. So I spent the last 30 years in my career in Hollywood and quickly ended up working with a lot of celebrities that entire time. So you get the moniker of celebrity trainer. It doesn't matter how much education you have at that point. If you work with the right star, you know, you must know what you're talking about, which is BS. Of course. But I did that. And at some point, one of my big way of claim.

convinced me to write a book. So the book, Fitness Confidential, came out about 10 years ago. And along with that, we started doing the podcast. Again, early podcaster. We've done now over 2,200 shows. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, and they're still rocking and rolling. How many a week are you doing?

We do five a week. Oh, let's see. I do five. It's like a regular show. It's like a regular show. It's just five a week. Wow. I'll tell you, fitness people are obsessed.

I mean, I'm sure that you have people that listen to every single one of your shows, too. Oh, there are people who come up to me whenever we talk to or whatever. They tell me about my life. They know more about me than I knew about me. That's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, an interesting experiment is to do, would be to do Vinnie Tortorich trivia and have some of your super fans on there.

You'd be amazed at the shit they know. Yeah. We've had a couple of people. that showed up to some events here that were telling me stuff about our lives that I had completely forgotten about. It was like, hey, thanks for remembering. And Clint, you know who I'm talking about. Yeah, go ahead, buddy. It's so weird that sometimes people will tell me they know the type of soap I bathe with.

That's a lot. That's, you know, when people know that, that's when you start to worry about your existence. And, you know, I think we've gone a bit too far. Well, when you're doing five shows a week, you know, you end up talking about everything. I mean, that's one thing Howard Stern said is, you know, back in the day when he was doing four hours a day, five days a week, you end up having to talk about every single aspect of your life because you've got to fill that time. And, yeah, this stuff slips out. And there you go. But anyway, all right, ma'am.

Well, listen, we've got two people in the studio who desperately need to lose weight, two people who are at their perfect ideal body weight. Yeah. And that would be PA, Lydia, and Dr. Scott. And then Tacey and I have, you know, COVID. We let it go. COVID fucked us up, bad, dude. We just let it go.

Yeah, yeah. It's true to everybody. It's the alcohol. It's the alcohol. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people did the alcohol during COVID. I think they just wanted to be alcoholics to begin with. They did she as COVID as a good excuse.

Yeah. People did that with ice cream, too. It was like, well, it was COVID. I did that. I was having ice cream. I kind of did that, too. But Tacey was working out four or five hours a week, and she's one of the strongest women I've ever met. But like I said, both of us need to get back to our ideal body weights.

You have to do both, right? You have to work out and eat right. You can't. Well, as I tell everybody, exercise. And listen to what I'm saying, because I'm a fitness trainer, exercise is a poor way to lose weight. Now, if you have your diet spot on, exercise can magnify the weight loss. But I've had no shortage of people who have told me I trained for 20 weeks to run a marathon and successfully cross the line heavier than when I started. And that proves right there that exercise is not how you lose weight.

And I spent my career telling people how to exercise. That's just not how you lose weight. It's all sugars and grains. It's all processed foods. You know, you just have to cut it out. I had a PDF on my website, vinytororese.com, and it's been there. I've headed there for about eight years, and it was free. And I've had over 300,000 people download that PDF and lose millions of pounds.

and I'm not exaggerating with no way. It's for free. And I just put a $10 charge on it about three months ago because I wanted, as a social experiment, if you charge something for something, people might take it more seriously. So now I'm actually charging for $10 to something that's probably worth more like $100. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's like that son of a bitch, now I've got to pay $10 for this thing.

Sorry, Steve. Can't help you, brother. You should have gotten it for the last. eight years. Oh, I've got it. I think I copied it on to my website long time ago, actually. I'm not sure. You probably haven't.

Yeah. It's crazy. It's been so long since I've been on the show because, you know, here's how crazy the world works. People say to me on Twitter, hey, man, have you ever heard of Dr. Steve? I'm like, of course I have. He's been on my show. I've been on his show.

We know each other. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it is crazy. I'm posting the link right now on Twitter. If people want to go to Twitter, you know, at Weird Medicine, you can see it, or you can just go to Vinny Tortoridge.com. The link will be in the description, and we'll put it on the pad data on the CirrusXM side. But, yeah, man.

So, listen, we haven't talked about this in a long time on this show. Talk a little bit about why grain. particularly are an issue, because if you look at that USDA food pyramid, you're supposed to get 60% of your calories from grains. I mean, that Vinny Tortich must be crazy. Certainly the USDA couldn't have tried to slip some bullshit past us. Well, look, they just don't know any better. They're taking their cues from the registered dietitians who, you know, most people don't know this,

but the R.Ds, the registered dietitians, were started by a church group, the Seventh-day Adventist. And they started this in 1865, and then there was a young man that worked for the church named John Kellogg, Dr. Kellogg, who started the famous cereal company. C.W. Post was also part of that group. And they started pushing all of these grains. And when you think about what happened during World War II, you know, we had the you know, a great, we're coming out of a Great Depression and farms are too big to fail. So, you know, we subsidized grains, and that's when the government, wait a minute, we like being in a grain business. We can barter worldwide with this stuff. Right. So we just make grains a priority, telling people, breakfasts are the most important meal of the day.

Have your oatmeal. Eat your cereal. You know, we all grew up hearing that, but it was exactly the wrong message. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the part of it. is that, you know, the government was pushing grain sales, and that was one of the reasons why they made that pyramid the way it was. And so tell us what the problem is. I have my hypothesis from an evolutionary standpoint why huge amounts of grains can be a problem for people. And it's not just fat. I mean, there are people that have issues with gluten, and gluten sensitivity has been demonstrated to be a real thing. We used to laugh. at that, and, you know, celiac spruce and inflammatory issues. And so, why are grains such a

problem? Well, for one, they're not the grains we used to have. You know, they've been GMO, they've been bastardized. They've been generically modified five different ways. But on top of that, grains are worse than sugar. If you can even imagine that, grains are worse than sugar, because sugar will give you a quick spike. Grains will give you a glycogen load. You know, so once you take grains in, they go into your stomach and they get released to your liver and they keep releasing slowly over the next several hours, and you have to keep releasing insulin to cover that.

And when that happens, you become insulin resistance, and then you're on three different medications, you know, Ozympic and metformin and everything else. trying to fix a problem we never had 30 years ago. Right. The more grains we eat, the more ozempic and metformin. And by the way, if you ever see those commercials, they will tell you, hey, this will get you down to an A1C of seven. Guess what?

You're still perfectly sick at seven. Right. So the drugs will not even get you out of type 2 diabetes. Right. Yeah, I've cured people with type 2 diabetes through applications. of diet, but it's rare because getting people to actually do it. We're so ingrained, no pun intended, to eat this way that it's really hard to get people to actually comply with that, you know, with the diet that will cure their diabetes.

So, you know, my evolutionary hypothesis, I mean, I'm interviewing you, so I should be letting you talk, but I like to think of how our ancestors, our distant ancestors grew up in this, you know, evolved into this environment, they had very little carbohydrates in their diet. They couldn't. Where were they going to get them from? And so maybe there were some berries every once in a while, or there'd be some, you know, when the wheat or whatever,

it wasn't wheat then, but grass or whatever seeds, and they'd eat those and get something out of that, the body still needed carbohydrates, so it would store them very efficiently. And so when you found that, it was like, oh, oh, yeah, we got some carbohydrates. Let's go ahead and store it in the liver, store it in the muscle, make some fat tissue

because the lean times are coming. Right, right. But now our bodies are still geared that way, but you can just go buy whatever you want. You know, agriculture, through agriculture and through classifying French fries as a vegetable and other things like that, we can just go gorge on carbohydrates,

and our body will continue to do what it was created, you know, set up to do, which is to store those very efficiently. So anyway. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And just to add to that, you know, we were never set up. Look, think about it. When you and I were kids, Steve, we had, you know, a season when there were apples, a season when there were strawberries, a season when there were watermelon.

Now you can get all of these fruit. year round because we ship them around the world. True. So there's a problem there, too. Remember, Vidalia onion season or maconaut peach season? That doesn't exist anymore. You get a peach in midwinter. Yeah.

No problem. That's interesting. It's great. And we think of fruit. Well, fruits got to be good for you. Yeah. But an overabundance of anything is a problem. So tell us a little bit about seed oils.

And then, Hyl, Vinnie, tell us what the hell? what are people supposed to do? You know, what should they actually do about this? We've identified the problem. So I've asked you two completely different questions. Terrible interview technique. So let me back up. Tell us about seed oils, and then we'll talk about what people should do.

Yeah, you know, when I first started hearing about seed oils, you know, from some of these doctors that were coming on my show, you know, 10, 11 years ago, I was like, what is this all about, right? I was always told that canola oil and safflyar oil and all of this stuff is good for you, right? All these polyuns or mono-faturated oils. Yeah. But when I started looking into it and you started looking at the disease that comes along with that because there's too many omega-6 to omega-3 combination, not to mention that to extract any of these oils, they have to cook them down so much, and I'm making this very simple, but there's chemical processes to make these oils happen.

So they're so highly processed that literally what you're eating is akin to, like, you remember like the 3M machine oil that you would put in a sewing machine or a gun or whatever? That's the quality of the oil that they want us to eat. And all of these seed oils, they use them to stabilize all of the fast foods and all of the, you know, shelf stable foods. So they're everywhere. God, dang it. They're ubiquitous. They're just everywhere.

So, yeah, it's horrible. I'm doing everything wrong. What about? Because, yeah, we, canola oil was sold for the longest time of that, was the good oil. Go ahead, taste. Is it a avocado oil? Is that considered a seed? Because it's got a seed in it?

A big ass seed in it? I don't think they extracted it. avocado oil is, that's actually a fruit oil. So it's good. It's kind of like olive oil. But here's the problem with olive oil and avocado oil. You have to go out of your way to make sure that it's 100% pure because check this out. Our government allows these oils to be cut up to 40% and still be called 100% pure oil.

So you can Google this. There's something called the UC Davis Olive Oil Study. They put out every several years. There's a book that I'm not associated with called, extra virginity that will teach you how to go and get the good stuff. Oh, goodness. Yeah, the, it's just like, what is it, Tick-Tac say there's zero calories, but it's just because the threshold is below what the government says you have to say is

zero calories, but if you eat a whole thing of that, it's about 300 calories or something. It's crazy. So, you know, and in your grains, of course, there's a certain acceptable amount of Grasshopper parts, too. And Google that if you think I'm lying. And insect parts in peanut butter. So I'm looking here, Vinny, it says here that industrial seed oils are highly reactive and unstable. They contain inflammatory linoleic acid, which is associated with heart disease, cancer, dementia, and other heart problems.

So I'm going down right now and when we get out of here and throwing away the canola oil that I often cook with just because it's a high smoke temperature. oil. You know, you can use it for that, but yeah, I'm done with it. I do have a... And by the way, Steve, that's another lie. They tell you that olive oil does not have a high smoke point. It does. Guess what? Butter has a high smoke point. Lord has a high smoke point. Palo has a high smoke point. They lie about that. Canola oil is no better than any of those. Yeah, that's interesting. And I do, we go to the Asian store to get our avocado oil because it's like half the price of when you go to the highfalutin place.

And the olive oil people will tell you, you know, the ones that make the real stuff will tell you that you can cook with olive oil. The reason the chefs say don't do it is because the olive oil that they're getting in those giant cans isn't the stuff that you can cook with. They can make salad dressing out of it. they can't cook with it. But if you get the true, you know, pressed, you know, pure extra virgin olive oil, you can absolutely cook with it.

So, well, that's, see, every time I talk to you, I learn something. So, seriously, what should people do? What should they do? They go to your website, download the PDF for $10 that used to be free, and then what else should they do? But what should they really do? Well, and look, if you want something else for free, the people that put my movies out, Gravitas Ventures,

this just happened this week. They now have a section on YouTube, Gravitas. It's called Gravitas Documentary Channel on YouTube. They're offering my first two movies, Fata Documentary and Fata Documentary 2, for free. So you're going to have to watch ads, but, you know, you can watch it for,

free, but you've got to watch a few ads while it's going on. So that's another way. Those two movies show you the history of how we ended up where we are. And once you understand that history, you can work backwards. Okay. And fix yourself.

Well, I'm tweeting out the link to Fat, a documentary right now as well. So check out our Twitter at weirdmedicine.com if you want these links. And you can just go down through our whenever you happen to be hearing this.

So that's awesome, man. These movies, put me in one of your damn movies. I want to be in somebody's movie. You'd be perfect. Well, you know, I'm doing a thurban right now, but I'm not bringing any doctors into this. I'm doing just an expose on something else. I'm not talking about it right now.

You know what? The next time I need doctors, you should be in my movies. You know, I always use whoever's on hand, and, you know, there's always Eric Westman and those guys. I would love to have you in one of my movies Oh, I'd love to. So, absolutely.

And you could be anything. You don't have to just be a doctor. That's right, I could just be an extra. Steve, it's always on hand for you. He's multi-tales it. And unlike those guys, I'll just say whatever you tell me to say. Oh, good. So Steve is a whore.

He'll say whatever I need to say. Fucking A. That's his wife. Say yes to that. Tell us about Beyond Impossible movie. Now, there's Beyond Meat and Impossible burgers, so is this have to do with that, or is this something completely different? No, you hit the nail on the head. What happened there was when all that stuff started hitting the market, I started looking into it because I'm always at these food conferences and everything.

And I'm like, wait, they're saying this is good for the environment, but they have to manufacture this. and then I started, you know, the first things I started learning was they, the pieces and parts are manufactured in China, and so they're spewing stuff into the atmosphere there, and then they have to ship it to the United States where they put it together. So now you have more manufacturing and the fact that you have to use a lot of dinosaur juice just to get it here. And so as far as the environment is concerned, they're wasting a lot of energy, and they're putting a lot of CO2. carbons into the atmosphere, and then I started looking into how healthy this stuff was. And what I figured out was, you're probably better off eating Oreo cookies for dinner than eating the stuff. And I'm not being funny.

Yeah, by the way. It's like the energy bars are basically candy bars. Yeah. Some of these things. It would be nice if these were candy bars. That would be a step up. These things, you want to talk about seed oils and stuff that shouldn't go in your body. that's what's in here.

It's worse than a candy boy. It's worse than drinking Coke and smoking cigarettes. Wow. Yeah, I think a lot of people were not eating the beyond meat. First off, it was a novelty. It wasn't meat, but it kind of does, you know, it's got the consistency and it tastes pretty much like meat. We fooled our kids with the impossible burgers when they came on. But I think it's for people who want to eat meat but don't want to be responsible for kids.

killing an animal. I think that's really where that comes from. Now, I will say that back in the day, when I was in high school and dating, there was a Seventh-Day Adventist food store, and I think it was in Brevard, North Carolina, and they sold, back then they had steaks that were made from sheets of pressed soy stuff. And they look, I know it sounds terrible, but they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, looked like steaks, you could cook them like steaks. And I have, well, you know what, now that I think about it, I never did get a second date out of that one. But I was going to say, I fooled my

date that they were real, but maybe I wasn't so clever after all. But they were really actually not that bad. And I'm fine with the soy stuff and tofu from time to time, all that. I don't have a problem with it myself. But isn't soy bad for some body? Tubbs. Soy is an abomination of a food. I'm sorry, Steve. I always... There's a billion people eat it every day. That's why they're on a bite beyond a shelf. Yeah.

Soi is an abomination. And I want to say that's about the killing of animals. Yeah, yeah. And beyond impossible, I have no shortage of footage where we show combines chewing up rabbits. They've got to stop these combines every so many hours. and they pull out five-gallon buckets worth of frogs. Isn't that interesting? That gets caught up in this combine.

And we're talking rats and frogs and snakes. Everything gets chewed up into these combines. And here's the other thing. A lot of these guys have to hire snipers to go out at night and kill wild hogs using infrared rifles, stuff like, you know, snipers and they'll kill 3,000 pounds of meat per night and it just all goes to weights

because there's no one to give it. Because there's no one. What do they do with that? Right, right, right. Because they're making meatless things so they can't eat it. So what are the Oh, Jesus. What about the estrogen level in soy? What do you? What do you have to say about that? God damn it, Vinny, and I'm going to learn something else. And it's going to change how

everything that I do. But that's okay. That's what we're here for. So, yeah, talk about that. The estrogen that we get, well, from food, you know, soy will cause it, some grains will cause it. But the biggest reason we have estrogen problems is because we eat everything and we drink from plastic. So if you have a bottle of water next to you in a studio, knock it off the table. No, don't do that. Get it from the tap the way you used to.

But that's where we get most of our estrogen from just off-flabbing. What the hell? And we breathe it in, too. Okay, estrogen from plastic. Now I've got to look this up because this one, now, I mean, you're hitting on something I know a little bit about, which is just basically, you know, I was an organic chemist before. Estrogen from plant. Oh, are you talking about from BPAs? BPAs, yeah.

And paravans and everything else. And by the way, there's a great book on this written by a guy that he's a good friend of mine. He's been on the show half dozen times. His name is Dr. Anthony Jay. And he wrote an incredible book years ago called Esra Generation. God damn it. Look at this. Look at this.

He talks about how we're breathing the stuff in. Okay. This is not some bullshit thing right here. This is from the National Library of Medicine. environmental health perspectives from 2011. Most plastic products released estrogenic chemicals, a potential health problem that can be solved. Now, that was in 2011.

I would hope that they would have figured this out since then. But they're talking about bisphenol A. God damn it, Vinnie. I can't have you on my show anymore. Phenal A, phenyl B, and phenyl C. It's all of them, Steve. And what happens is, whenever, what they do is they'll say phenol A is bad, right?

So they'll get the chemist in the lab. And then they'll change it to Feele B. And they'll say, come up with a phenyl B and then a phenyl C. I think they're a phenyl F now. I'm not being fun. Yeah, that's how you get around the DEA, too. What I do, I keep up with this stuff. This is all I do.

You know, I don't make this stuff up. I'm not that good to make this stuff up. No, no, no, no. No, I'm, yeah, that's, that's very interesting, isn't it? So there have to be plastics out there that don't have this shit in it. Because, you know, we used to make. Impossible to make. It's impossible.

Look, I had, I remember the last time I had Dr. Anthony Jay on the show. Yeah. I have one of those malgent bottles, you know, that I use when I climb mountains and everything else. And, you know, the low, the little triangle on the bottom, I said, look, it's got a number seven in it. That's supposed to be the good one, right? He goes, it's as bad as all the rest. That was the last day I ever drank out of plastic. This is the exact chemical composition of almost any commercially available plastic part is proprietary and not known.

A single part may consist of five to 30 chemicals. Plastic item containing many parts may consist of greater than 100 chemicals, almost all of which can leach from the product, especially when stressed. Would you say soy is as bad as plastic or just? just eat soy and be okay with it or... And just don't eat it with plastic fork. Just don't eat it a lot. I mean, like tofu or... You know, it's like you're asking me,

should I smoke crack or should I smoke crane? Got it. Which one is better? Yeah, well, which one is? I'm just kidding. Again, I'm sorry. Should I smoke cigarettes or smoke cigars? Which one is better?

Yeah. You've really got me wanting a cigarette right now, but okay. Soil product has been shown that. to cause cancer, and you just name it. It's soy product, it raises estrogen in your body. It does. I know that. I cannot.

It's horrible. It's a horrible product. It shouldn't be legal. Yeah, I wonder, I do know that the way soy is processed here is different than the way it is processed in Asia. And Dr. Scott can attest to that. And as a matter of fact, I watched an Asian chef today on YouTube. I didn't watch it. I was driving. I listened to him, but he said, listen, the tofu that you get in America very different, and they process it differently. Because, I mean, there's billions of people that eat soy every day as a staple of their diet, and they seem to do fine with it.

So there is something about the way that we're processing it, I'm guessing. What do you think about that, Vinny? Yeah, well, here's the deal. 92% of all soybeans grown worldwide, not in the United States, worldwide, 92% is owned by Monsanto. And Monsanto is the same group that puts out the product that doesn't, so in other words, when they put their agent orange on it, but now they call it something else, when they put their agent orange on that soy, it doesn't die. but it'll kill all the weeds around it and all the other stuff around it right so

92% of all soy has grown by one company for a global international company so if you think you're getting better soy somewhere else in the world good luck okay it's not happening well

okay I'm always the bearer of bad news and sorry I'm just trying to figure out show. Now I'm just, I'm Debbie Downer, I'm just going to retire.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is our last show. Debbie Downer. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm going to have, okay, so I thought I knew something about the chemistry thing

and I was wrong about that. I'm going to, by God, I'm going to do a deep dive on this soy thing. And because I just, that's so counterintuitive. But I'm not saying, just because it's kind of,

counterintuitive doesn't mean that it's that it's raw. Well, you know, and the thing, I'm kind of like you in that regard, but you wonder if there are other things making, causing the cancers at the soy. Only has a little bit to do with, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's, I don't know. Depending on where you're living at the time. Maybe fermented soy.

You know, I love tempe. It's a smoke soy. I know if you have PCOS. I couldn't hear the question. Oh, yeah. That's because Dr. Scott's only been doing this. show for 15 years and he still doesn't talk into the microphone. No, I was trying to run away after all the

bad news. I think the question I have is whether the BPA, with its like estrogenic effects, whether it actually binds to the estrogen receptor and like potentiates that activity within the cell. Yeah. I don't know. That's an excellent question. Or whether it's more of like a hormonal

response in the body. I don't know. We need to find out. We're going to do... We're going to be doing deep dives on all this stuff for the next six weeks, so if it's brought up a bunch of stuff. Well, you You have really gone beyond since the first time that you and I talked. Because back then it was just, well, no seeds, no nuts, don't eat those protein bars, you know, this kind of stuff. This is fascinating stuff.

You know, we were going to have tofu for dinner tonight. I was going to make fried tofu tonight, and I was going to fry it in fucking canola oil. God damn it. Sorry, Steve. That's okay, man. That's okay. No, no, no, no. You're doing the good work.

People, if nothing else, to get people like us, too, who think they know stuff to question, you know, always be questioning this. Are we doing the right thing? Absolutely. I was taking nicotinamide ribicide every day, and then I find this article yesterday that it potentiates breast cancer. And if you get breast cancer, could potentiate metastatic disease. But what they were really looking at was nicotinamide levels inside the... the cells. So that doesn't necessarily mean if you're taking it as a

supplement that's going to cause that, but it did give me pause. So, you know, we should always be questioning these things. And we started to take, you and I both started taking it, and I saw the same article yesterday. And we both started taking it because it was shown to help with melanomas. Right. Yeah, so you wouldn't get melanomas. Right, right. Cancer.

And, you know, we're more likely to get melanoma than we are breast cancer. So, you know, for dudes. But we'll, these are all things we have to constantly be searching for better data and more knowledge and all that stuff. And I think that part's great. So, yeah, man, we're going to be doing – we're going to be – you've given us a lot to think about today. I've got to make you shut up because if you say anything else, I'm just going to jump off the clip.

We really appreciate you, though. Yeah, we do. Absolutely. We love Vinnie. And I appreciate – I appreciate you guys. And I do appreciate coming on. Steve, you need to make an appearance of my show again. It's been a while.

Absolutely. Yeah, well, you can just school me about all this stuff, all the things that I thought I knew. I think that's great. Yeah. Perfect. But now if you got some questions about death and dying out of that, I can help you with. So check this man out. He actually knows what the hell he's talking about.

Check out our no sugar, no grain section at Dr. Steve.com. I've had that up since the first time Vinny was on. and then check him out at viny tortorrich.com It's Vinny like V-I-N-N-I-E, T-O-R-T-O-R-I-C-H dot com. And then check out his new movie, Beyond Impossible, which I do want to see this. And, you know, this whole thing about the combines is messing with my head, too.

Yeah, I'm on too. We just don't think about these, you know, these unintended sort of consequences of the way that we do things. We think that we're going to, it's like the lady who had the, that was doing the electric car demonstration, and they didn't have a plug-in for it. And then they went and they got a, they went and got a plug-in from inside the building. And they said, well, where does this electricity come from? And she said, well, it comes from the wall.

It's like, okay, where is the electricity generated? It turned out that it was all of coal-fired, you know, electrical plant. So, you know, what are we doing? So we're even on simple levels like that, we're not thinking things all the way through. So, yeah, very interesting, man. Well, Steve, it's even worse than that because, you know, when I yell about electric cars all the time, it's like, not only do we have to burn coal and our diesel to fuel these cars, you also now have all this lithium. Number one, they're using slave labor to get this lithium. and when the battery is done, we have no idea what to do with them.

How to get rid of. Right. Yeah, that's a problem. The solid state battery I'm interested in should have less of that BS. It'll go 500 miles on one charge, and then it'll go five minutes to charge it up. It's supposed to have less toxic crap in it. Toyota's working on it. We'll see.

You know, I am, I'm interested in clean fusion myself. That's where I think that we need to go, but we are still decades away from that. We're always decades away from it. It almost seems like it's a conspiracy, but I'm not a conspiracy. Well, let me tell you why. I've been saying for years we need to split atoms to get energy. Yes, of course. But the reason we're not going to do that is because in 1975, we had an alliteration where they said no nukes.

And the hippies went with that, and the hippies are still saying that. And we need to get away from no nukes because it's the cleanest energy that we can possibly have. Yes. And no one's talking about it. It's the only thing we should be talking about. Fusion will be even cleaner because its byproduct is basically heat and water, and we can utilize the heat. So that's the one I'm really interested in. You know, nuclear, you know, your plutonium type stuff, you know, there's some byproduct.

from that that can be weaponized and things like that, but the thorium reactors, we should be absolutely exploring that. I totally agree. If you want to do something that's not, if you want to not put greenhouse gases into the environment, if that's your goal, then we should be moving toward nuclear. I absolutely agree. So something you and I agree on, or at least you're not destroying my worldview about, put it that way. It's not that we don't agree. You're just killing me with knowledge that that I probably should have known something about before.

I'm the bear of bad news. No, that's why I think dude, if you're going to make us healthier, it's good. I think the angriest. You know, yeah. No, if you're going to make us healthier, it's good news. It's good.

And then, yeah, he's the angriest, the angriest trainer or whatever. I don't know, mine's pretty angry, too. I walked away from that moniker years ago because every time I did some kind of national show, they would go, you don't see, I'm angry. Right.

No, I'm not. It's just, you know. I've walked away from that. Nobody wants to go to an angry trainer anyway, just get yelled at. Yeah. And then she hates going, but then, you know. I've gone to him for 10 years, and he's like, oh, you like, oh, you know, that's how he yells at me. He's like, oh, yeah. Oh, God. Can I go? Who's your trainer? Do I know him? I don't know if you know him. Is he a famous trainer? He is. No, I don't think he's famous. is because of where we are.

He's nationally ranked, you know, bodybuilding. Yeah. I'll send you a thing about that. I very much not enjoy him. I like him as a friend, but cannot stand my appointments. It's been a way for a while. In that case, stick with him because I was going to say, I mean, Fred Haim is there in New York.

He's an excellent trainer. There's some good trainers in New York. Yeah. Yeah, some impressive guys and women there. Yeah, well, if we were in New York, that would be helpful information. We're a little bit in the holler. We're in Tennessee. Oh, you're in Tennessee.

Hillbillyville. Sirius XM is in New York, but we're in Tennessee. The Internet, you know, made it so that you don't have to be in the same place where you're broadcasting from anymore, as you well know. Exactly. All right, man. You're the best. Always enjoy it. It's been way too long.

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Yeah. So I guess we're not having... Oh, man. I really wanted that. Okay. So we'll do it one last. Last time, and then we've got to give it all that shit. Yeah, don't waste it.

I mean, 3,000 pigs died for that. It's true. Yeah, we don't want to waste it. I'm not throwing it away. That's what makes a to-fers so good. Poor pigs. Oh, gosh. You think you're doing something good.

I know. Those wild pigs are, they're mean. Well, and then I find out recycling is, you know, uses up more resources. They don't even do it here anymore. We have the blue recycling thing, and you just put your trash in it now. I was very disappointed by that. It always felt like I was doing something. Right.

Now, the cardboard, we do, but I don't know. I think somebody's just making money off of that. Yeah, I'm just a mess right now. Vinny has that effect. But anyway, all right. Do you have any, we've got a crap load of questions. I did download a ton of your questions. Do we have Tom?

I think so. Yeah, we have time to do a couple of them. Yeah, I told Vinny we'd do 15 minutes and we ended up doing 44. So anyway, but all right. Number one thing. Don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. All right. Oh, here's one that has, oh, okay. Yeah, let's do this one. Hey, Dr. Steve. It's Zippy from New Jersey. I'm just wondering if you could let me know why some pharmacies, healthcare practitioners, are we, requiring a two-week interval between vaccinations, whether it's flu and COVID, flu and shingles, and others, like the three-letter word pharmacies, we'll give them together. Okay? Thank you.

Hmm. Yeah. So the CDC has an article out that says that the major changes to best practice guidelines for timing and spacing of immunobiles. biologics include guidance for simultaneous vaccine in the context of risk for febrile seizures. So in kids, they're recommending that they

separate some of these things because they used to if you remember, our kid has a vaccine or needle phobia because a bunch of nurses sat down and held down his four limbs and then gave him a bunch of just came at him with needles.

That happened to my daughter. Yeah, but if you have a baby. So what are you supposed to do? Go in every two weeks for three months? Well, yeah. I mean, yes and no. So there are schedules for these vaccines where if you remember, we can go, I think, two months, four months, six months, something like that. So they'll separate those out that way. And you don't want to give two live attenuated vaccines necessarily at the same time. Those are living vaccines. So they'll spread those out. But So this guy, though, is talking about flu vaccine and COVID vaccine at the same time. And so he's saying that the pharmacies tell them you've got to separate the two.

The only reason to do that, in my opinion, is if they're worried about liability from one vaccine or the other. Because if you give the two together and you get myocarditis, or you give the two together and you get Gianberra syndrome, you can't tell which one gave it to you. That is the only reason because there's absolutely no reason not to co-administer. these two other than that. Matter of fact, the CDC says giving more than one vaccine at a visit called co-administration common medical practice and is recommended. And it says flu vaccines and COVID-19 vaccines can be given at the same time if you're due for both. As a matter of fact, they're coming out with a combination influenza and COVID-19 vaccine. So when they do that, you're going to get them both at the same time. So these pharmacists, to my knowledge, are

just making this up, but that would be the only reason why. Well, that's how we did it. Yes, we did. Yeah, we split it up. Yep. And we just didn't want to get the, you know, compound the adverse effects. So, and that was our choice, though. Yes. But if we had wanted to, they would have given them to us together. This guy's saying he's going to a pharmacy where they're telling them they won't do it. So, all right. So that's, that's very interesting. But, you know, Some of the childhood vaccines, some of the vaccines can cause fever, and then if the fever is high enough, it can cause febrile seizures, so they want to make sure that you're not compounding the risk.

So some of those will be separated. All right. Here's a question from peppermint Patty. Hi, Dr. Steve. It's peppermint Patty. Hello. Or Love it. Hello, Love it.

This is Patreon. I have three questions. and I'm just going to leave one. Okay. I have something going on where all my muscles, especially in my shoulders and down through my back, become rock hard, just painfully hard, a little bit of a fever, can't keep my eyes open, but there is nothing, and I've gone through this twice now, about three weeks apart. I'm not sure what this is or how to treat it.

Any help or suggestions you could tell me or dependent of answers if one comes to you, which, of course, they come to your doctor. Delete that last part. Control all, delete. Anyway, I ramble. I apologize. No, no, no. Thank you. Okay.

Thank you. So, Dr. Scott, you got anything? At first, it sounded like she's having muscle spasms, but then she said she's having fever with this. Yeah, no, the first thing I was thinking is she had any injections or flu shots or any new medications or anything different recently. It would be my first question. Have you heard of primary periodic paralysis? That's a thing where people get this cyclical form of paralysis and it's caused by a distortion of their potassium channels. And, you know, that's a weird one.

Yeah, because she's got to give us a little more info than what she gave us a thing. Yeah, she may need to come into the studio and let us really grill her on that one. Makes me think about polymalgia rheumatica. Well, classically, with like the shoulder stiffness or pelvic growth. Did she say shoulders? I thought you started at the shoulder. Yeah, you might be on to something. Yeah.

So there are some things. And a febrile. Polymyalgia rheumatica is a. mild, usually inflammatory disorder of the muscles and causes muscle

aches and pains. I had it, which was weird because it's usually older women that get it, but dudes can get it too. And it causes pain particularly in the proximal, in other words, like closer to the body. Distal is farther away from the body. That'd be in fingers

and toes. Proximal would be hips and shoulders and that kind of stuff. that's something but usually man fever and then coming and going like that it's interesting too because it usually comes and stays I was like it's usually it lights and sticks around for a while yeah I'm uh

I mean I was not saying she's she's probably right and and if Lydia's probably right what she need you know and she may be but what she needs to do is when it's happening and if she has a fever yeah if it really is a fever just feels like you go get seen right there

yeah fever low grade fever is yeah if it's low grade so go then and then what they do is they do just a very simple blood test and then the real test is to put you on low dose prednisone and if it goes away then

you've basically made the diagnosis you can I add to that too? Yes of course you have 30 seconds if you don't have prednisone possibly that curcumin yeah turmeric works a lot like a steroid it does maybe a little safer fair enough

I thought turmeric was more like a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory but I mean it is anti-inflammatory is what you're saying yeah works a lot like bread okay all right yeah check that out so patty you have your marching orders when it happens again go get a sedimentation rate done let them put you on some breton zone see if it gets better all right hey scott is she in the um waiting room is love it in there i don't see her okay if if anybody in the waiting room sees uh love it uh let her know that we're looking for her pages you can love it. We need, we have more questions for you. But absent of that, I'll send her a message.

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Poker chips. Yeah. Throw in some of the poker chips, too. I love those. I said one to somebody, and they said, that's the coolest calling card I've ever seen. I didn't even think about it that way. It really is a, it's a business card.

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And say that she's a friend of weird medicine. She gets a little bling. Oh, you know what? That's so cool. if you're stress less really works I've got somebody that if if it works for him

you might end up being huge I need to some so I can send to him I'll bring it I'll have it here tomorrow or maybe then Bobbington in the waiting room says that he took COVID and influenza vaccines together and he is still

hopping he's still kicking still kicking good for him That's a good thing, Bob Bvington. Yeah. And then principled uncertainty says fusion is always a decade away. That's right. It's always a decade away. We're 10 years away from the Tokomac actually creating more.

They can do fusion. They just can't generate more heat than they put in it. They get energy out, but it's always a net loss. So we've got to get where the stupid thing is generating more energy than we're putting into it. Now, they did have a sustained fusion reaction not too long ago. And by sustained, we mean like eight-tenths of a second. So that's not enough. So we're just going to have to, we've got to keep working on it.

But fusion is the thing. And when we have true fusion, like they did on Star Trek. So if you think about it, the Star Trek replicator was using fusion. They would use raw material. It could be hydrogen. or something, and then they would fuse it together to make the cup and the Earl Grey tea and heat it up and the whole thing.

I mean, it was, you know, they were using fusion. But it all came from poop, right? Well, it did in Discovery. Yes. They were using recycled shit to make outside. Well, there you go. They even said shit, which made me laugh. They had one of the enemy women from the emerald chain

was on there, and he's the head of, Federation says, would you like a slice apple pie? She's like, sure. And so she's eating it. She says, it's pretty good. And he said, yeah, we make it from our recycled shit. And she just looked at her fork and just laid it down. It was actually kind of

a good moment. Anyway, all right. You all can go fuck yourselves. I'm just revisiting the whole conservation of energy principle, right, where it can neither be created nor destroyed. It's more about usable energy. That's right. Well,

Right. So entropy is still a thing. Entropy is where the whole universe eventually grinds down. There'll be that last black hole that gives off its last particle of hawking radiation before it just disappears. And then the whole universe is all at the same temperature. Then that's the end. Assuming that there isn't the big rip from acceleration of the expansion of space, based to the point where it expands so quickly that it's actually ripping Adams apart. That would be another way from the university.

I'll say, we're from Vinny to Dr. Stephen's all bad news. Yeah, yeah, by the way, we're all going to die, and the universe is going to end someday, and all of this is meaningless. But we'll be dead by then. Thanks, guys. Yeah, we'll be back next week. Yes, we'll see next week. All right.

Until next time, check your stupid nuts for lumps, quit smoking, get off your asses, get some exercise. We will see you in one week. the next edition of weird medicine. I'm just going to go, fuck this. Good for you. Thank you.