Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 536 - Stupid Pineal Tricks

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

Dr Steve Dr Scott PA Lydia Tacie and a surprise guest discuss: Near Death Experience How to treat nocturnal gastroesophageal reflux Resting Bitchy Voice Puke bugs Embarrassing our kids Vertigo Copper Bracelet Science The Pineal Gland and Melatonin Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) simplyherbals.net  (now with NO !vermect!n!) (JUST KIDDING, Podcast app overlords! Sheesh!) roadie.doctorsteve.com (the greatest gift for a guitarist or bassist! The robotic tuner!) Also don't forget: Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap! "FLUID!") noom.doctorsteve.com (the link still works! Lose weight now before swimsuit season is over!) Most importantly! CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, Mark Normand, the O&A Troika, Joe DeRosa, Pete Davidson. Stuff you will never hear on the main show ;-) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So are Stacey, Lydia, and I here or not? You are here, yes. Is this an existential question? Well, I hadn't got there yet Oh, okay Oh, for fuck so Yeah

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more of her giving me shit on patreon.com slash weird medicine. No, it was appropriate. It's always appropriate. You are right 100% of the time. And I'm not even

kidding. Yes, I know that. It really is true. Patreon.com slash weird medicine. No, we she wanted to have kids. That was the right thing to do. I never would have had kids. We wouldn't have bought the house where we bought it. We wouldn't have remodeled it. We wouldn't have done and most of it. I would just be

sitting in a basement you know, with my Commodore 64 and my ham radio stuff, jerking it to God knows what at that point. Oh, God. Yeah, if it weren't for Tacey. Nice vision.

Yeah, so thank you. I appreciate it. You're welcome. Good job. Good job, Tacey. She did good. And check out Dr. Scott's website at simplyerbils.net. That's simplyerbils.net. Anything going on there? Yeah, I got lots of nasal sprays going there.

Yeah. CBD nasal sprays. Yeah. Good for you. Are they good for you? Are they good for it? Are they good for you? Can you say that? I can.

As long as I don't say, we don't carry any disease, we don't. But you can say it's good for you. You can't do that. You can't do that. Really? Yes, you can. Interesting. As long as you're allergic to any ingredients, of course.

And we got a cameo to do as soon as this is over and we're all going to do it. Okay, because it was a 24-hour cameo. It may have already expired. Oh, no. Steve. We're missing out on five bucks here. No, it was four, yeah, 462, I think. Let me see.

Yeah, split five. How did I miss it? Hang on. Anyway, we're going to do that right after these words, but right after we finish the show. You got anything else to plug, Dr. Scott? No, sir. Everybody good?

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Just check out simply Herbal's dot net. We do have a birthday to announce Tacey. And see, she was supposed to go, no, it's actually, it was Stacy's birthday. So there you go.

So we actually have a real birthday instead of a fake one. It's probably still safe. Okay. And it's Carter for Electric's birthday. No, it's not. Oh, yeah. No, actually, it is this time.

It really is. No, it's not. This time, okay, well, you know, a broken clock is right twice a year, right? Twice a year. And so twice a year, it actually is Cardiff Electric's birthday. And you're a big fat line. All right. Let's see here.

So, okay, well, we're good. We got a phone call. Well, let me, this next phone call is important, and they're going to be made. at what I'm getting ready to do, but I almost died this morning. It was bad, yes, and this is what happened. I've counseled people don't eat a lot of carbohydrates before you go to bed if you have reflux because people get that mechanical reflux, they get the sour brash, and what I'm talking about is gravity will hold your stomach contents, mostly in your stomach when you're

upright, but when you're laying down flat, your esophagus is now level. and if your stomach has a bad valve in it, which we call the lower esophageal sphincter, it will open up sometimes when you're laying down there and then stomach contents will just flood into your esophagus. Well, what else is connected to the esophagus up at the top is your trachea and epiglottis, and it can just flood in there.

And then you just get hydrochloric acid flooding into your lunch. And it's called aspiration, that's right. And so I aspirated last night And I've done it before And it was because I ate a bunch I'm stupid I got a craving for chocolate And I

assuaged that craving By eating You know Half a bag of Mr. Goodbar The little tiny ones And And didn't even think about it Because when this happened

The whole time I'm like Why is this happening But that was what it was And I ate those late at night And I overindulge big time. So anyway, this happened to me before I get up

and you kind of choke it down and then maybe take a drink of water. Yeah, a shot of mustard. Or, yeah, shot a mustard. Or some, you know, anti-acid, and acid stuff. Anyway, this, it wasn't

having it this time. So I get up, I run downstairs because I don't want to wake Tasey up Because the last time I had a medical emergency was when I broke my foot. And I was going, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I heard from Tasing, can you be quiet over there? Can you stop breathing? So I run downstairs and well, hell, the dogs come with me because at 6.30 in the morning, they think it's time to go outside.

So I let them out. But this whole time, I can't breathe. Some reflex is causing me to swallow continually. and then my breathing is like this, which we call. Well, it makes me sound like strider. Strider, yes, very good. Okay, there you go. Give yourself a veil.

Yes, it was strider. So I had strider, and I like, I have strider. Oh, no. And so I real quick, and now this whole time, I can't breathe, right? I mean, I can breathe, but it's very difficult. And there's acid in there, and I'm going, and I'm getting out but the dogs need to be fed

so I fed the you know I got their dog food out I let them back in and I got out some baking soda because I didn't have any my land or anything I got some baking soda threw it in some water tried to chug it down but I was compulsively swallowing

because there's some reflex in my neck that's causing it to spasms and then I was afraid I was going to aspirate it and then I'm like I'm going to throw I'm going to puke. If I puke, I will die. Because that will be the end. I have very little airway left.

And I started feeling faint. And I said, because I can breathe. Did you call 911? No. So, and I know, I'm an idiot. But I knew if Tacey saw me, she would have called the ambulance. But I knew what I was dealing with. But I'd never had it this bad where my trachea was, you know, the muscles around me.

Epiglottis were just closing down. because it's like don't put any more of this stuff in here but it's like wait a minute but you're killing me just open up a little bit so I bent over the sink and then I was just sort of saying okay you know Patrice O'Neill I was I was channeling him Calmo Calmo yes very good taste here you get one of these

and I was Calmo and I was you know so but I was getting air in and after about 10 minutes of this it finally just calm down. But I knew if I fainted, she would find me on the floor dead. I bet your blood pressure was up. I don't know. I didn't check it out. This is the weird thing. So this is what I want to talk about. Not so much that. And for people out there, this is going to sound familiar to a very small subset of people in our audience. I'm going to tell you how to prevent it because

I'm an idiot. This is the first time it's happened to me in years because I just, you know, I got cocky. But the weird thing was, you know, when I had that scare where I saw my CT scan and they had this big mass and it turned out that it was that it was scarring from COVID he's just half dead no no no no no no that's not the point what am I going to do I had two two sort of like you know scares this year this one where and that one and this both times like you know if somebody's mad at me at the hospital or something so if I think I I'll get my adrenaline will get going I won't be able to You know, think about anything until I get it taken care of, try to fix it and all that kind of stuff. Or if Tacey's mad at me, you know, that kind of stuff. When this, these two things happen, nothing. I was just like, well, I guess this may be my time. Is this my time?

I guess this is my time. It's so comforting for you. It was weird. You know, the road, yeah. Yeah, I figured I'd freak the F out. But now I just, yeah, I was like, okay, I mean, this might be it. I think it's worth explaining the difference between mechanical reflux and just regular reflux. I think so, too.

things are to go, why don't you do that? No. I said, why don't you do that? No, I meant to say, that's what I meant to say. So what we mean to say is different than what we say sometimes. That's good to that. See, okay, my job is to be the idiot on the show

and to not know anything and to ask questions. That's what you've told me. Don't antagonize her. Not my point. She will kick your ass. Because sometimes I mean to say something, but I say it the wrong way. And so I'm just making sure that we And our tone, our tone is also something.

That's right. I have resting bitchy voice and somebody has resting bitchy face. Oh. So it's like, well, you've said it yourself. And it's like, why are you looking at me like that? When you're like, no, I'm fine. Stacey, look at the time. Hey, Scott.

Doing good over there? Okay. I do have a resting bitchy voice for real, though. It's all the Botox. I mean, nothing moves. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I will.

I'll say, Tacey. Why are you? Why did you look at me that way? She's like, I'm not thinking about anything. It's just the way my face looks. This is my face. But I do that with my voice, too. It's funny.

But anyway, so. I will circle this back around because I've had the same type of reflux. Yes. And what I've learned to do is as fast as I can to flip over the middle of the night. Yeah. Get on my knees and put my head down, you know, as low as I can to try to get that gravity to keep that stuff out of the esophagus. Right. It tastes horrible in your mouth.

Oh, it's awful. just slowly, just the most tiny little breaths at a time. Right. And then belch for the next 30 minutes because I filled my stomach up with air. That's what I found, too, is that I had filled my stomach up with air, and that's what forced it in there. And I think my Bipap might have something to do with that. But that's a good technique. I want people to never have this, though.

Yeah, sure. So preventing it is really the key. And Tacey's right. You know, we hear about gastroesophageal reflux. That's where people have heartburn and stuff. mechanical reflexes when you've got fluid in your stomach and then the lower esophageal sphincter just opens up and it just comes flooding up into your esophagus like that and causing aspiration. So I want people to be able to avoid that.

If you're listening to me and this is something that happens to you, do two things. One thing, well, do several things, but one thing that I have never done that I probably should do. And one of those is the most important is no simple carbohydrates within four to six hours of when you go to bed. And what I'm talking about is bread, cake, dessert, sugar, that kind of stuff. You know, low carb. You don't have to do a low carb diet, but just do lower carbohydrates before bedtime. And if you're eating cereal and shit right before you go to bed like we did when we were kids, when we had a nice, tight, lower esophageal sphincter,

that may be part of the problem, okay? So the other, I know that sounded hot, nice tight lower esophageal, oh, yeah, your lower esophageal sphincter is so tight. What's the mechanism there? I mean, is it the direct action of like the... I do not know. If it's turning, it's becoming more acidic

as those carbohydrates are reduced to sugars and then sugar alcohols? I don't know the answer to that. Indian food would do it to me. When I would travel, I would always eat Indian food at night. Would you eat the rice with it? Yes. Yeah, that could be it.

That could be it. But I would also order it Indian hot. And alcohol, too. Well, it can do it. Yeah, alcohol. So if you drink a lot of alcohol and eat a lot of carbs and then go to bed, you're at higher risk of this happening. So avoid that.

And then, so a couple of things. If you are prone to this, take a couple of bricks, put them under the head of your bed. Because if you prop yourself up, which when some people do, they'll get what they call a husband pillow, you know, that thing that's got the two arms on it. And they'll sleep on that propped up. If you're obese at all, what's going to happen is that your abdomen is going to push in on your stomach when you're bent like that. It's actually going to make the problem worse. It pinches and pushes it up. Right.

Right. It will force it up. So you want to be flat, but at an incline. So if you have one of those beds that'll do that and you're highfalutin, I think that's great. But if you can't, you can just take a couple of bricks under there. You won't end up falling, you know, rolling down the bed if you don't do it too high. But gravity will be your friend and it will keep stomach contents in your stomach. The other thing is you want to get the pH up a little bit in your stomach. So take an an acid before you go to bed.

There is a medication called metaclopramide, which I do not recommend people take on and on and on and on. But if you're having several episodes, that can help. But there's surgery that you can do called fundoplication. And that's where they just basically go down there and make you a new lower esophageal sphincter. And that will stop. If it's happening to you every night, you may be a candidate for that. see a gastroenterologist or a surgeon. Stacey, you wanted to say something about this.

Okay, I might be the historian of the show here, but I remember something about taking a t-shirt and sewing a tennis ball, pocket in the back. Okay, yes. So that was for snoring. That was for people who have positional snoring. If you, laying on your butt, that's not a bad idea. I'll give you a half a bell for that.

Give yourself. Okay. Give you a half a bell, because I was for snoring. But if you, if it always happens when you're laying on your back and never happens when you're laying on your side, then yes, having someone sew a pocket into the

back of a T-shirt, wearing the T-shirt, and then stuffing a tennis ball in there, will keep you off of your back at night. And so that was really for positional snoring, but yeah, for, you know, if the reflux is there, that could be it. Were you going to say something else at P.A. Linia? So

I take, you know, medication to raise the pH in my stomach, which does increase my risk of some certain other things, but this could have been a lot worse if I had had, you know, pH-3 hydrochloric acid in my stomach, so I probably had pH-5. It does rekindle general chemistry for me. So the professor one day was on a stomach acid, right? And the pH of hydrochloric acid is quite low.

What is it like two? Yeah, something like that. So, and he was thinking, you know, you know what happens when we makes a base with an acid. You have a heat reaction. Yeah. So his argument was to drink something of a weaker acid like a Coca-Cola. But I've never

attempted that. Well, you know, Dr. Scott uses a weaker acid in yellow mustard. Okay. So that makes sense then. It does work, yeah. So it is interesting that people, and we did it here on the show one time. I was trying to get off PPI's,

proton pump inhibitors, and I had horrible reflex and He brought some mustard in, and I'll be damned if it didn't work, although we thought maybe it was the turmeric that was in it. We don't know, but yellow mustard has an acid pH, so it doesn't make sense. We have people saying they use apple cider, vinegar, for it. But to me, that makes way less sense than using a base and then just neutralizing the acid. I keep it in my... I keep it in my shaving kit.

Yeah, from a pH chemistry standpoint, you remember we used to do titrations and stuff, it was fun, and you would watch the solution change from red to blue, and yeah, it just take it. Now, what it does, it is slightly heat-producing, but there's so much fluid in there that that's not a big deal. It dissipates quickly. What it really does, though, is it produces gas,

and you start belching and stuff. And actually, I knew I was getting better when I could actually finally eructate, which is the, you know, medical term for belching. We have to have a different word for everything. Eructate Army. It's just to show off. Coke floats in my cup, the eructate army. Eructate army. I thought you were going to start talking about the other sphincture missile.

No, and now, come on, we like EROC. The upper esophageal sphincter. Yeah. Okay, playing off of that, can I ask for that? Yeah, I'm correct. Bend off into another question. Yeah. Vomiting.

Yes. What is... A.k.a. vomicking in our area. Okay, the puke. What is involved muscular-wise? Because that has got to be a violent muscular reaction. It is.

Yeah. Yeah. It is. Absolutely. It's got to be one problem. One of the most violent things that ever happens in your body. And I hate it. I hate to puke.

I might what they call an emetophobe. So Pia, you want to take on the anatomy of a vomicking. I'm just imagining our stomach contractions first, but I was thinking I was trying to figure out the nervous, remember the nervous innervation there. It's not the, is it the

phrenic nerve? Yeah, and phrenic nerve would be involved, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get the contractions through like the stomach but also surrounding the esophagus, right? Yep. You take it. Well, you get reverse so peristolsus is the contraction of

rhythmic. It's very good. Thank you. You don't know. Damn yourself a bill. That's a bill. One to one taste. You got three quarters of a bill on that one. Damn it. So you have rhythmic contraction going

toward the anus, basically. And you can reverse that. One way only, hopefully. Yeah. And so the diaphragm and then your intercostal muscles, too, which are the muscles between the ribs that are supposed to, they are called the accessory muscle.

of respiration. They contract. And, you know, when you shouldn't need those very often, you use those when you're long distance running and stuff, when you need a little extra oomph to that diaphragmatic movement. And so the intercostal muscle. So you'll get this contraction of your rib cage, which can become painful after you've done this a few times. I remember the last time I had a puke bug, you know, the first couple of times I puked

It was like, yeah, I was sucked, but I felt better. And then like the 14th time, you're like, oh, my God, come on, please. And their muscles are all just completely ruined, and you're out of energy and stuff is awful. So, anyway, yeah, but that's basically it. And it's a reflex from, it's very complex reflex starts in the center of the brain. So anyway, all right. Let's go to that important question. Well, okay.

So we will But I do want to tell you a story Our son got in a car wreck right And he just rear-ended somebody She was starting On the exit ramp And then got a whole scared and slammed on her brakes Right at the top of the exit ramp

And of course at that point he had seen her Accelerating away And he's looking to the left to see if anybody's coming And he ran right into her I've actually I've done this That's a very easy thing To have happen and but he got a ticket for it because he's 19 and she was the whole time going it was my fault it's my fault I got scared you know and all this stuff but anyway but if you hit somebody from behind it's always you it's always you unless they're in reverse no it's unless they're in reverse very good happened to me one time oh is that right it was my fault but it ended up being their fault because they were going in reverse yeah okay that's a good thing to you're like too shay you are correct yeah that's hilarious

Okay, everybody remember that. If you learn nothing from this other than that. So, anyway, so he's in driving school. Well, they do it remotely. So they sent the Zoom link, and I was just going to set it up for him. And by the way, this was right not too long after I had my near-death experience. So it's today. Yeah, it's today.

Oh, wow. So I still had my nasal strip on. I was in my robe. My hair looked like Einstein. and so I bring up the Zoom link and there's everybody the teachers there, everybody and it says my son's name,

you know, Liam, so-and-so at the bottom and here I am looking like some lunatic from the haunting of Hillhouse and so I was just like I'm going to drive at school you just embarrassing the shit out of it. And he reached over

he was like, damn it dad And he clicked on the camera to show them. I love it. I love it. And my voice is all messed up, so I used it to my advantage. Praise Lord, I'm going to drive-in school. Oh, my God. That's nice.

I had to do driving school in person. I did two, eight hours. It's only like three now. Wait, eight hours? That was back when we lived in Rogersville, yes. You had a DUI? No. I think it's just what it was.

I think girls need more driving. Oh, is that what it is, Scott. That's just what it was back then. In Virginia, it was in Virginia, so it may be. Oh, yeah, like a bit. Oh, there's a, I know, okay, so this person, anyway, this is the last show, we'll do this because of this person. Hang on. Hang on.

I love it. All right. Hey, Dr. Steve. Amen. I love you. Great shows. Thanks. I've noticed, though, in the past few months that, you know, your shows are turning more towards the social hour

and see who can bring in the grossest piece of medicine. Give yourself a bill. Fine, but a long-time listener, I really miss when you and Dr. Scott and Casey just answer medical questions. I got you. We hear that a lot. Backlog on. Okay. He's got a point.

We've got a point. Fair. Is there any chance where we can get back? Yes. But here's the thing. So we've done shows where I've said, you know, we're doing too much social stuff or just bullshitting. And I used to have even the, I don't even know where it is now, the drop that said, can you please stop bullshitting and answer the questions? But then I'll have people say, no, we like that.

Other things. So we'll do, we, here's why. I'm going to tell you why this happened, because this is important, and I appreciate the question and the constructive criticism I really do. It's because of my job, and so we were recording on Wednesdays, and I work an hour away up a mountain in a very busy location, so I have to get there really, really early, and then work all the way through lunch, and then try to jump in the car. at three to get here by four and a lot of times it doesn't happen or if I do I'm getting here five minutes before the show so there's no show prep

and I know okay we'll do it the day before okay when so now we're recording on Saturdays so we got it all out of our systems today and hopefully next show we'll do more questions so I want to do more questions

I've got a backlog of thousands of questions I think the next thing he says is what you keep saying you got a backlog that made the show, you know, just get caught up and... Yeah. We will never get caught on. I imagine being caught up in life. Yeah.

Yeah. That's social. Well, you get caught up, and then immediately, things just keep progressing. You get caught up in one thing, everything else is going on. But I appreciate the... We'll be in a long time. Yeah, been a long time. But, yeah, I like the shows where we just answer a bunch of questions.

Actually, the last few, we've done a lot of that. I've been pretty much of my Lydia in here because it's Lydia's fault. Yeah, Lydia. Damn it. All right. Speaking of questions, we do have one from the chat room. And those count. Yeah, buddy.

Hang on. Let me do that. The gift is a disclaimer. Number one thing. Don't take advice from some asshole on the radio. All right. Thank you, Ronnie B. Yeah, thank you, Ronnie B.

Stephen wants to know. He's got a quick question. His wife has been battling Vertigo for the past week and a half. It's been slowly getting better. originally tried the Epley maneuver, but it did not help. There you go. But it didn't help. It did not help.

Yeah, so a couple of suggestions. You want to talk about the Epley maneuver first so that people know what the hell you're talking about? Well, you lay back. And when it would help, but then I know why it didn't help. I was going to say, I know why it didn't help too. Okay. So you do have crystals inside your ear, inside the semi-circular canals where the balance occurs. And sometimes when they get to moving around, they stimulate those little hairs.

inside there and can give people vertigo. Yeah. And if they get misplaced, one of the ways that, and physical therapists are really good at doing, is helping people do this epile maneuver. Your nose and throat, physical therapy. Yeah, you can just look on YouTube, just learn how to do it yourself. Yeah, but I think sometimes the first time you do it, it might be a little bit easier if you've got some adult supervision.

Don't disagree. But it's, and again, look it up on YouTube, but the bottom line is you turn your head to this, you lean back, turn your head to the side. Yeah, yeah, you do a bunch of different. And hopefully move those crystals back to where they're supposed to be. That's right. And if that does not do it, though, there are some other things that can cause it. Well, that's right.

So you want to talk about it? Let's see. I got my finger on the bell. My first guess is, since it is getting a little bit better, sinuses. Bingo. Oh, hell no. No. Now, what could have caused the sinus problem?

What could have been the original insult, though? Well, I mean, it could have had to COVID. A sinus inflammation or sinus infection can cause vertigo. Okay, but the most common thing is a viral labyrinthitis, where you just get a virus that could be, you know, end up causing a sinus infection. Sure, sure. Or inflammation, yeah. Yeah, inflammation in that area.

But viral labyrinthitis, and those are the ones where you get vertigo and it lasts about maybe a week or two weeks and it usually responds to over-the-counter anti- anti-planetories or anti no sorry anti- anti-hystamines

like antihistamines like antivirte macalazine is the classic one that we prescribe but anyway and you can buy it over the counter now well yeah you can and certainly we have allergy medicines sometimes can help with with Virgo

But, you know, other things... And Scott's right. Anything that causes inflammation in that area can do it. But the number one cause is a viral labyrinthitis. Now, if it doesn't go away and the Epley maneuver doesn't work, then you have to go see an E&T, and they deal with all the dizzy people. Yeah, and now I do see some that get like an occipital neuritis. So, to be with the base...

Explain what that is. The base of the skull. Mr. Jargon. Well, but people, nerves coming out of the... of your cervical spine, the upper neck, and going into the base of your skull. And sometimes those will get inflamed, especially if your tense or cold or even sometimes you can get trauma back there. And we'll stick needles into those nerves and the base of the skull, the oxyt where you, right to the base of where your hairline is, we'll put needles in there. And pain medicine guys, and even you, I know you guys probably do the same thing, sometimes put like a little steroid or a little.

I won't do that for vertigo. I'm not hitting up a cranial nose. for vertigo. That's easy. You can do it. You can do it. Thank you. You've got the skills that, Dr. Steve. We'll sit in with Lydia. Lydia will do it. I just don't think it'll work. Oh, no. Hey, no, I've had it work. I swear. Hey, last time I had vertigo was awful. And that's what I had. Yeah. Yeah. And it was so bad. I'll never forget. I went home and it was just exhausted. I threw some laundry in my washing machine and turned on. Yeah. And it had a leak. waters pouring out of the bottom

my washing machine and I was so sick. All I could do was push stop. I went and sat down on my couch with my laptop and ordered a washer and dryer from Lowe's. That's God's honest truth. It was delivered the next day. Because normally you know me I would have

gotten down there and fixed it but I was like I'm going to throw this out there for people too. Nobody asked this question but if you use rubber hoses in your laundry room going between I mean, get rid of them and get the ones that are clad with metal. And every plumber I've ever talked to has said that.

Because if you use the rubber ones, eventually what happened to Scott's going to happen. It's under high pressure because it's always on. And even worse, the ones that are ribbed. Because those have, like, weak spots. I mean, where they bend and no sucker. They are ribbed for your pleasure, but they're not pleasurable when they burst. Oh, man. Thankfully, that's the last time I had that because I did everything.

I tried to Epley and I tried to sign them. this stuff. And then finally went up just getting a shot in the nick. All right. Now, we may have some disagreement on this next one. Okay. All right. You're ready? Hey, Mike. Hey, Mike. I was watching D.D. and they have a lot of ads for this copper-infused stuff you put on for plantar fasciitis or e-pane, elbow pain, all that garbage. Any truth to that, or is it all just, you know, money-making scam?

Okay, so I'm not going to talk about any specific brand. hands or anything. We're just going to talk about the science itself because I don't want to and, you know, as always, make your own judgments on these things that you can buy over the counter. Dr. Scott, what do you think? Copper-infused fabric that you put on the skin for arthritis and plantar fasciitis and stuff like that. I do not know the science, but I personally like them, but that's, I don't know the science. So, okay. I'll tell them playing. All right. That's fair enough. But I'm not, I'm not saying they're good or they want. You like them personally. But I personally like them right.

So here's, yeah, were you going to say something to taste? Well, are they made differently? Like, are they tighter around? Now you've got something. Or do you really think it's the copper? I don't know. I think the copper makes. What about a copper bracelet?

Well, and here's another. Now we're going to, we'll tease out the bullshit detector here. Copper bracelets and magnetic bracelets for arthritis. What do you think? No. Okay, very good. I'll give you that. Give yourself a bill.

And it's not my opinion. That is very easy to do a double-blind placebo-controlled study on. Think of how you would do it. How would we determine whether a copper bracelet or a magnetic bracelet would help anything? P.A. Lydia? Well, I'm reading about the anti-inflammatory impacts of copper on rats. Yes. But that's not on their skin, though.

I looked at those studies, too. So, well, how would we design a study to see if a bracelet work? Yeah, a copper bracelet particularly. So you pick X number of time, X number of subjects, half of them get a bracelet, right? Or however many you decide for the powered study. A certain number get a bracelet, a certain number do not, and then they should rate their pain. How would we do a placebo in a situation like this? Oh, yeah.

So just like some type of, well, you couldn't really do a non-copper metal because then you would wonder whether the other metal had a similar. Well, you'd have to, you're right, you'd have to correct for that. Yeah. So, yeah, I would... A copper-looking bracelet. I would, and if they say it has to be come in contact, so this is your hypothesis. Because if I enclosed it, the copper bracelet in a plastic thing,

gave some people the plastic thing with no copper bracelet in it or a similarly weighted, you know, a piece of lead or something. And then the other one, then the people who are proposing, you know, who are promoting this would say, well, no, it's got to come in contact. with the skin. But that would be one way to do it to see if just the presence of copper would have some effect. Now, then yes, you would have to be very clever on figuring out a way to make a placebo that people would believe. Now, you don't have to tell them. We are doing copper bracelets. We are doing this therapeutic bracelet. So the other one could look similar but not

have to look just like copper. That's a good idea. You know? And you, you're You don't have to disclose exactly what the end point is and still be ethical. Okay? And, you know, when you're placebo in itself is you're deceiving somebody. But anyway, yeah, so there's a study here that looked at 65 participants provided complete self-report outcome data for all devices. So what they had was four different devices, a standard magnetic wrist strap, A demagnetized wrist strap. Now, that's a good one because it's really easy to make a magnet look, or a not magnet, look like a magnet.

The problem is magnet's still going to stick to stuff, but these things are so lowly magnetized that for the most part they might not notice. And then they had an attenuated magnetic wrist strap, and then they had a copper bracelet. And the devices were each worn for five weeks with people who had painful, room. rheumatoid arthritis, and they did a visual analog scale, which is on a scale, in this case, one to a hundred, where would your pain be? And they would rate it over time. And the conclusion was, the result was, 65 people provided this data, and four people provided partial data, but there was no statistically significant differences between the four devices and the P value of the null hypothesis. In other words, the statistical significance of the negative effect was highly significant, was 0.05.

So it was 5 sigma. That's our, you know, five times out of 100. That could happen by chance. So their conclusion was wearing a magnetic wrist strap or copper brace that did not appear to have any meaningful therapeutic effect beyond that of a placebo for alleviating symptoms and combating disease activity and rheumatoid arthritis. So there you go. Hey, may I make one of the questions? And I don't know, again, those slip-on ones with copper in them, whatever they are. I'm thinking part of it may just be because it's warm.

You know, maybe copper makes it, maybe warmer, I don't know. So what I did find. So there is some benefit. And Tacey really was on it, and she'll get like a quarter of a bell. Give your. Damn it, you got part of my bill. Because they are made differently, and they're tight. And so compression itself can be therapeutic.

And the other thing about copper-infused fabrics is that it is antibacterial. So that is very well-confirmed. So kind of, that's sort of interesting. So there's some data, though, just from my, like, quick, quick searching here. Sorry, I lost my, I can't hear anything now. About the anti-inflammatory effects of copper, right? And so we know if we put anti-inflammatories on the skin, like proven anti-inflammatories, like insides. right that you do get some absorption to the local what's the difference so the copper

anti-inflammatory stuff that you were looking at because I looked at the same studies I'm sure those same rat studies that wasn't topical it was not topical so and you're right you can put drugs on the skin and if they have the right properties they will you know get into the blood supply what's the difference I mean well the copper bracelets aren't you know that copper isn't being absorbed into the skin. That's the difference. But you are right. There's something there, and we do use copper for things,

and there are cupric, you know, things in medicine, I'm sure, or there's something there. Yeah, and you do have to have something to stimulate the absorption. Yes, that's right. So, yeah, you could put acid on it. And then... And then put a copper. No, don't take any of this advice.

No, no, no, I'm just saying. That would be, you know, experimental, you would dip it in sulfuric acid and then strap it to their skin and go, how's your inflammation now? Can't even feel that painful knee. Take your mind off of it. That's right. So should have put it in the corner of your mouth this morning when you were having all that acid reflux? No, I should. Couldn't you imagine?

That would have been great. Stick a battery in there, buddy. Now, our buddy, Loganfield, had a follow-up to a problem. Now, Loganfield has been here in the studio. He was at one time a member of... of Super Android 23, the electronic band that you can hear on Spotify. Another nerd adventure. Not Spotify.

SoundCloud. SoundCloud.com slash weird medicine, I think. It's all very embarrassing. Yes. As it should be. Hey, Dr. Steve, this is Logan. But he's a good one. I had a follow-up question regarding the pineal gland question I had for you

previously regarding the calcification. Okay, so his question was, does. fluoride in municipal water cause calcification of the pineal gland. And the research that we did seem to show that there was no connection between the two. The fluoride in the water a lot of people, again, believe that that

causes calcification of the pineal glands. Yeah, you know, a lot of people believe a lot of stuff. It's faith-based. It's, you know, we're interested in science, so we couldn't find a correlation between the two things. But you're right. There are a lot of people do believe that. And all I can do is say, here's what the data shows, and how could we study it that would satisfy you, you know? And sometimes there is no study that you can do that satisfies somebody because that's just their belief system, you know.

And that's okay. That's, you know, it's free country. My question to you, could you go into a little bit about what the pineal gland actually does and if your pineal gland does become? counselified, is there a way to turn that around and decalcify it? I'm reading a lot about this stuff online. It's really interesting. Stop reading stuff online, unless it's a journal. You go to PubMed.org or find, you know, a legit medical website.

And then I'm okay with the French stuff because that's where some really interesting stuff comes from. Remember, Tacey, we used to know. a gastroenterologist that said that there's no way in hell a bacterium can cause ulcers in the stomach Well, I believe that was most GIAs. Well, I mean, we knew personally one that would yell

at me when I brought it up. Probably yelled at you a couple of times. Oh, I got yelled at all the time. But, yeah, it's and now we know helicobacter pylori causes stomach ulcers and we test for it every single time that we do an endoscopy

and we treat for it when we see it so you know that's a real deal so that was fringe a f at one point giving beta blockers for congestive heart failure was malpractice when i was training when i went to medical school really yep crazy yeah and now it's malpractice if you don't do it when i started i was always when i started working i was fighting with physicians as to whether a pPI was better than an h2 right There's no physician out there now that would say... Right, they all write. Yeah.

PBIs. Well, one of the problems with the H-2, and so H-2s are the medications like ronidididine, which is no longer on the market, fomodidine, aka Pepsid, those kinds of drugs. No, not Tagamat. Yeah, Tagamate. At the time, yeah. Tagamate are cymetidine. And then the proton pump inhibitors are the things like Lanzopazol, aka Prevacy. or Dexlansoaprozole, aka Dexelot, and those kinds of things.

Or Omeprazol, that was the first one, which was Prilaseg. And they have completely different mechanisms. The reason that the H-2s have fallen out of favor is because of a phenomenon called tachyphylaxis, which is where the effect wears off really quickly. And if you start taking Phamodidine every day, you may notice it's not working. as well as it used to, but the PPIs

continue to work as time goes out. But anyway, so let's go back. But you need to go see your doctor anyway. But I, yes, and please do that. It's, there's, when they first came out with this stuff on them, you know, over the counter, we were all kind of freaking out a little bit. Because it says you should only take them for 14 days.

And then people take them forever. And, yeah, because it works. And they may be missing things. But anyway, so this guy's, Loganfield's calling about the pineal gland. So does anybody want to take this on what the pineal gland is? Because I'm happy to do it. Well, I know it produces melatonin.

Right? Yep, and you should know that, so they get that much of a bowel. Oh, now he's not giving the whole. It's a tiny pine cone-shaped gland in the middle, center, lower part of the brain. Right between the two ventricles. So you're looking at the same website I am. No, I'm not. I'm actually not.

But I don't know anything about the classification of it. Right. So what's up? Yeah, so here's the thing is that she, P.A. Lydia got it exactly. Give yourself a bill. It's a little pine cone shape gland, but it's about the size of a grain of rice, though.

It's really small. You think of these things of being huge, but your brain is not really huge. Look at how big your skull is, and there's a bunch of meat between. And fluid. Right. But there's more, like you think,

oh, gosh, my skull is right under there. No, it feels like it is. But when you cut into it, it's a good half of an inch. And some people, it's more than that. Which is weird, because if you feel it, it feels like your skull is right under the skin. Yeah. Doesn't it? There's the muscle there, huh?

Yeah. But there's muscle, there's soft tissue. Right. There's fat. There's some people more than others. Yeah. Anyway. But so the pineal gland is a little tiny gland.

And we don't know what the hell it does. It may have, it has obviously something to do with sleep. It may have some input on decision-making, which is sort of interesting, and how you perceive reality. So you want a functioning pineal gland, which is why I was always wary about taking melatonin for a long time, because you are messing with this gland that we don't 100% understand. And we don't understand reality and messing up with our perception of reality. But so far, so good. most people seem to be able to take melatonum without adverse effects.

But this gland serves as your body's light meter. So light comes in through the eyes, and part of that signal is routed through the pineal gland, so it knows when it's daytime and when it's nighttime. And indirect sunlight really helps with that. So if you're in a cubicle, in a windowless room, that kind of messes up here. And those folks that have that sort of working in mind. environment, unlike Stacy who's outside, I may have trouble sleeping. And when you get calcification of this gland, that is irreversible.

So that's when calcium takes over from the tissue and that you can't get that back. So, you know, it's surrounded by cerebrospinal. Oh, wait about. Hang on because I catch shit if I don't do this. It's surrounded by cerebrospinal fluid. And, you know, it's just sitting there. Lots of other things can become calcified. Your heart valves, the aorta,

breast tissue can become calcified as well. So as you age, there's more likely to be calcium in the pineal gland, which could be one of the reasons why as you get older, your sleep cycle gets more effed up. but there's some babies will have calcifications. They're born with calcifications in their pineal gland, so it's not just aging. You know, the more active it is metabolically, the higher the likely it is. The likelihood is that it will be calcified, but how do we modify that?

We don't know yet. And then other things like just, you know, certain chronic medical conditions might cause it, chronic use of steroids and stuff like that. They don't know. We don't know enough about this gland. Nobody's pouring billions of dollars into

pineal research because really the only thing we know about is melatonin. We already have that. What are you going to say? I'm just thinking. I think I've read brain MRIs every day for the past seven years, you know, excluding

weekends, right? Never seen a... I mean, I guess if you were, you have to ask for seller images and then maybe they... Have you ever seen it reported, anything? Never. Maybe once. Maybe once.

I think it's probably so small that the slices that we do, they wouldn't see it. So you'd have to do some really small slices. Let me do a quick pub med search. That is a great question because you're absolutely right. I read those all the time too.

I order them a lot. You order them a lot. You're looking for metastatic disease and stuff. So you do this every day. I'm looking for the same thing. MRI pineal calcification. And Dr. Scott, would you look up the prevalence of pineal calcification? Hey, Cushes in the house, by the way.

All right. Hello, my friend. Pineal gland volume assessment by MRI. Nope. Associated between pineal gland calcification and white matter, hyperintensities, of vascular origin and older adults, that makes sense to me that if you've got

microvascular changes in the brain that's caused by high blood pressure where you get little tiny areas that are calcified in the brain, that the pineal gland has a blood supply. It's going to be impacted too, right? It has to be a very tiny blood supply.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, diagnostic accuracy and susceptibility, weight, magnetic resident imaging for the evaluation of pineal gland calcification By God, here it is. That's what we want. So they have to do, okay, susceptibility-weighted magnetic resonant imaging for the detection pineal gland calcification. This is why we're not seeing this.

That, combining that and phase information enables the accurate detection of pineal gland calcification. Otherwise, you're not going to see it. Or the sensitivity is very low. So isn't that interesting? So you would have to ask for it, and it's like, why would we ask for it? Why don't we give it? We don't, what do we give a shit about it? Well, we've started specifically asking for cellar images for the pituitary gland.

Yes, I don't have a pituitary gland. Really? I have empty cella syndrome. That explains it. I didn't know that. How do you, do you take artificial harm items? Nope. I know, it still works.

Apparently there's a little strip of a pituitary that's still functioning. Good. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Weirdo. How did they find that?

Well, they were doing an MRI for a different reason. Incidental, right? Yeah, totally. Okay, cool. Yeah. And I do, I mean, I do take testosterone supplement. So I'm going to take me an extra one today, days. Oh, good, can't wait.

You know, hipped up on, all hopped up on some testosterone gel. I just prescribed that for the first time. It took a lot of reading to figure out what I was going to do. Oh, why didn't you call me? I should have. I was thinking about calling endocrinology. Then I chatted to, to. the attending I work with, he's like,

just pick a dose. You know you can call me on that stuff, right? Because we do that all the time. Let's throw this out there. 50% of men who are on chronic opioids or have gone through cancer treatment. And this is, sometimes that's the same set of people. You know, a lot of people with stage four cancer will have, you know, chronic opioids for cancer pain, will have low testosterone.

and if you treat them as long as they don't have prostate cancer, then their fatigue that you were thinking was cancer-related fatigue will actually get better. Well, we'll see. Yeah. So it's really about 50% of your patient. So if you're asking them, do you have fatigue? And then you test them. I always test them for CBC, which you're doing anyway, thyroid.

I screen them for sleep apnea. And then I look at testosterone. around and yeah about half of them will have it and then just treat them yeah well we'll see how good all right give you a give yourself a bill oh he she gets a whole one it only took me ten years to do it okay well we've got before we wrap it up we've got a few more questions here and let's just go ahead and do those if make sure that we are satisfying our friend who called in earlier and this is a good one though that's a really good question Stacey!

Hey, what's up? Okay, strange question. Are tooth cavities contagious? Okay, so Stacey, that is another excellent question. And anybody have anything on this? Because I do, which is pretty interesting. I'm going to say if you have an open wound. An open wound.

And you... In your mouth? In your mouth? Yeah. Maybe it is contagious if you're... like sharing bacteria or something. So a cavity is like what, you get the degradation of the enamel. Right.

By like overriding plaque that's been there for a while. Yeah, and acids that are in your mouth. Or they can call it a suspicious place and charge you $1,000 to fix it. That's what happened at taste. My initial, my initial thought here is that someone could think it would be contagious if you're living in the same household and everyone has cavities, but you should really look at the environment and the like. Okay.

That's good. Dietary intake of the household, water and take. I like it. Culture of the household. Toothbrushes in the household or not. What tricked me off was small children getting cavities. Right. And their baby teeth.

Right. So I figured that was mostly sugar and bad brushing habits. Right. But, you know, the precursors to cavities ride it out in the bacteria contained in saliva. And there was a study that was done that said that, uh, Cavities were usually caused by sugar that builds up and decays teeth, but studies have shown cavities can be transmitted through close contact with another person, but they have to have poor oral hygiene. So I think what it is is though there are specific cultures. Yes, Dr. Scott, very good. Give yourself a bill.

That there are certain cultures of bacteria that grow in the mouth when you have active dental carries. and those can be transmitted from one person to the other. But really what it's doing is they're not really, they're not contagious. You are accelerating a process that already started. So that's very interesting. Good. Whoever asked that question was a great question. That was a great question.

He's a pretty fart smeller. I mean, smart fieler. I knew that one was coming. Of course. I think this is one that we really need to do. and then we'll get out of here, okay? And, um... Hello, Dr. Steve.

Hello. How are you? Oh, hello, my friend. I'm good, thank you. It's the watching. Hello, Dr. Scott. Howdy. How are you?

Fabulous. Dr. Steve, yes. Recently in the news, I've heard that my favorite singer, Celine Dion, has been diagnosed with stiff person syndrome. I saw that too. I have four questions. Four questions. What is stiff person syndrome? Number one, I can do.

Second, do I have it? That's only two. Oh, see. Please explain more. That's not a question. Thank you. That's three. I will hang up and listen.

He always leaves you on a damn cliffhanger, this guy. That's so funny. That's Cardiff Electric, by the way, the owner of our. Network and Happy Birthday, Sir. And what he did a series where he did, and Tacey was a character in it and I was a character in it. Well, there was a halfway house called Tacey's Place. And it was a serialized drama, right? And he gets to the penultimate episode where there's a big cliffhanger and just never did another one.

Oh, goodness. Never did another one. So I've got four questions for you. and then he has three questions, and it's fucking up my OCD. But anyway, all right. So this is true, Tase? Yes. Yes, I read it last week.

Yeah. Wow. Okay. So, yeah, stiff person syndrome. I've seen this before. Have you ever seen one? I have not. I know I'm reading about it.

Okay. I've seen one. You have? Yeah, yeah. It's rough. If you do this long enough, you'll see at least one. They used to call it stiff man syndrome, but of course, that's not. That's not correct in 2020, so stiff person syndrome.

It is tough to diagnose. I'll tell you that until it gets really bad. But they will have, you know, it's an autoimmune disorder that affects a specific pathway enzyme called glycoly. I'm sorry, no, glutamic acid decarboxylase. And what this does is it makes. a thing called, or it helps in the process of making gamma amino butyric acid. Okay, do we know what that is? Tasea, this is something that's very important to you. No, I do not. Is GABA, because

when you take something like, well, some anti-anxiety medications are what we call gabinergic, meaning that they either produce more GABA or they will stimulate the GABA receptor. And that produces anti-anxiety effects, right? So now, if you affect this gamma or glutamic acid decarboxylase, and you can no longer make GABA in quantity, one of the adverse effects is going to be what?

Are you talking to me? Yes. Oh, well, I wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry. All right. You get a bell for that. You get a bell for that. I'm just going to me.

No, to me. All right, and here's my other thing. Man, I mean, I just not. You are one pathetic loser. That's me. Ouch. Is that to me? No, it was to me.

That's what I thought. That's what I thought. We were just talking about this is very important to you. And then I just totally blanked out. It's all the anti-anxiety medicine. Oh, you think that's what it is. It could be all the GABA in your system. Oh, so much.

Just imagine if you didn't have GABA in your system, what would happen to you? Oh, okay. Anybody. It would be horrible. Yes, it would be horrible because it would make you anxious. You would have increased anxiety because you wouldn't have your own body's version of GABA being produced. Or the volume. But the other thing that this does, exactly right.

GABA has other effects because we have a limited number of neurotransmitters, things that can send signals from one nerve to another, and they do different things in different parts of the body. So GABA also regulates motor neurons by decreasing their activity. So it calms them down. Calm, oh, calm oh, like, you know, they channeled Patrice as well. so if you have low levels of GABA what's going to happen they're going to fire continuously right and then you're going to you're so your muscles are going to contract and you're going to be anxious AF and

those are the main symptoms of stiff person syndrome and the thing is anxiety yes anxiety and muscle stiffness that kind of resemble Parkinson's it can it can be misdiagnosed that it's it's hard to to diagnose it. It's a clinical diagnosis. You can do what they call electromiography or an EMG. And then what you'll look for is findings typical in

people with this, but you'll be muscles that are firing for no reason. In like Lugarig's disease, which is the opposite, where you have floppy muscles, you'll see fasciculation and stuff, where the muscles are trying to just, you know, generate some sort of signal, but they're

not getting anything. So look for this. And then, yes, on the list of things would be Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, psychosomatic illness, you know, phobias, stuff like that. So she's anxious and stiff, right. Stiff, right. Oh, that's terrible. Yep. I hate that for her.

So you can try steroids because it's autoimmune. There might be some biologics coming down the pike that you might be able to use. plasma phoresis where you just you know you take your blood out and cleanse it of antibodies and then put it back in your body and stuff like that I did find a novel approach to the treatment of stiff person syndrome

using Botox so you get your Botox I'm telling you man it's good for everything seems like a Band-Dade approach yes it would be a band-a-and-where so first-line treatment suggested benzodiazepines anti-Ahyletics right sure because what you want to do is flood the body, and this is, by the way, we've talked about this in the past, that the best

muscle spasm medicine after you've tried all the other stuff is diazepam, Valium. Now we know why. Because the GABA reflex or the GABA pathway is involved in muscle relaxation as well as anti-anxiety. That interesting. It's also good for vertigo, too. If you have refractory vertigo, diazepam's number one choice after you've tried to. tried everything else. Okay.

All right? Okay. So if you have neurogenic vertigo from somebody with a brain tumor in the wrong pathway, you could give them diazepam, and a lot of times that will take care of them. At least they'll make it better. And then cartyphalectics. Last question, does he have it? Yeah, he does not have it.

Not just based on his question. No, based on the way he answers. I have examined him in real life, and he does not have. Based on his delivery of the question. Yeah. Based on, where's your microphone? I don't know. It's over his shoulder.

It's over his shoulder. It's for that. For your third leg, your hind leg. Anyway, that was, do you remember, what was that guy's name, the weird guy that used to be on David Letterman? That weird guy and he was older guy. He died. Yeah, you remember his name? But I remember he said, man does not hear.

through his ears Oh, that's a good topic for a next show. Man hears through his hind leg. He was a very strange dude. Anyway. Bone conduction versus air conduction.

Let's talk about that next time. Oh, bring a tuning fork. Do you have one? Yeah, yeah, I think I have one. Okay, bring a tuning fork and we'll do it. Let's do it next time. Yeah, we'll do it on Stacy.

Come. All right, sounds good. All right, my friends. Thanks, always. Go to Dr. Scott. check them out at simply herbils.net. Thanks to everyone who's made the show happen over the years. Thanks for

the people that hang out with us on YouTube. We're going to try to have more of a YouTube presence going forward. I don't know what we're going to do but it's going to be different and it's going to be a lot bigger and it may be separate from this. I don't know. I'm working with some people on this.

Cool. So I have some ideas and I'd like to do something a little bit more out there. And when I When I get, when I finally retire, I'm telling you, some shit's going to be said. Shit's going to be said. There we go. I'm still excited.

Dr. Steve Unbound. I just need to live long enough to retire. I've got a lot of shit to say. And there's going to be people who aren't going to like it, but that's just, what can I do? It's exciting. That's exciting. I wonder where that came from. I was going to keep living here until you resign.

Something by God will be saying. Maybe he's going to say it to you, Scott. Well, that's what happens when we sit here in the studio by ourselves and just talk. Yeah. I poke him with a stick. Tacey. Oh, shit's going to be said to me. Yeah, that's right.

I've been threatened with that before. We always have, how did that happen the first time? That was the funniest damn thing, though. You said if... I said if they do this again, something. No, you said, if I don't get any tonight, shit'll be said. Oh, is that what it was? Oh, you're going to say something?

They cush, cush just came through. And I laughed my ass off, and we have laughed about that. So that's sort of a thing in our relationship is, you know, there's something going on. My God, something's going to be said. Hey, Cush, got it. Larry Bud Millman. Thank you. No, it wasn't Larry Bud, Melman.

Calvin DeForest. Calvin DeForest. Also known it as Larry Bud. No, that was Larry Bud Melman. Yeah. That's not the guy. That's not the guy. No.

This guy was like an old German guy. Larry Bud Melman was hilarious. But that wasn't who it was. Okay, I don't know who you're talking about either then. I remember Larry Buffet. And he had big bushy eyebrows. Dick Asman. No, Dick Asman, no.

Who's that? That's one of your fans. I wish. That's your boyfriend. I wish. Is he married? My demographic is single. Hope he is.

All right. Well, let's get the hell out of here. Go to our website at Dr.steve.com for schedules, podcasts, and other crap. Until next time, check your stupid nuts for lumps. Quit smoke and get off your asses, get some exercise. We'll see you in one week for the next edition of Weird Medicine. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.

Goodbye.