Weird Medicine: The Podcast - 550 - Urine Luck!

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Dr Scott, Dr Steve and Tacie discuss: What is a healthy diet? alternatives for insomnia Urine therapy (Mmmmmm!) Sleep disorders CWT: Constipation While Traveling Prostate modulating herbs 'n' s...tuff Beta blockers and nightmares Please visit: stuff.doctorsteve.com (for all your online shopping needs!) ed.doctorsteve.com (for your discount on the Phoenix device for erectile dysfunction) simplyherbals.net/cbd-sinus-rinse (the best he's ever made. Seriously.) roadie.doctorsteve.com (the greatest gift for a guitarist or bassist! The robotic tuner!) Also don't forget: Cameo.com/weirdmedicine (Book your old pal right now while he’s still cheap! "FLUID!" Most importantly! CHECK US OUT ON PATREON!  ALL NEW CONTENT! Robert Kelly, Mark Normand, the O&A Troika, Joe DeRosa, Pete Davidson, Geno Bisconte. Stuff you will never hear on the main show ;-) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:08:39 Hey, Stephen Friends. Hey. That's Evan from Wisconsin. Hey, Evan. Um, very quick, basic question. Long story short, I have a pretty poor diet, and I've never really learned proper nutrition I don't think and I'm just wondering if you can give a real basic just outline of what I should try to take in every single day because I'm trying to
Starting point is 00:09:07 rework my my eating habits so that's that's all thank you love the show bye yeah what do you think Scott I think it's there are some pretty simple things you can do that The mediterranean diet, we've talked about a bunch, substituting meat, you know, feet, meat. Substituting fish. I'm sorry. I'm butchered it three times. This is number four. Now, we do like pork plate.
Starting point is 00:09:33 We surely do like some pork feet. It's good to know them's a good for you. I like a pickle pork steak and sales. Yep, am so good. Those Dr. Scott says you. Anyway. Jeez, I'm a doofus. So anyway, so we've talked about the metatrainian diet.
Starting point is 00:09:48 We like to substitute fish a lot of times. Oh, you were going to say fish and meat. You conflated fish and meat. I get it. Kind of like I conflated my microphone earlier. But, you know, a huge fan of substituting of fruits and vegetables for snacks, you know, full of salt, full of processing, fried stuff, you know, potato chips, et cetera. But, you know, one thing I'd love to do is remind people that the diet's important, but also what you eat and how you eat it is important. For instance, cold foods, not a big fan of cold drinks, not a big fan of.
Starting point is 00:10:20 if you're going to be eating things because it slows your digestion. You want your digestion to work quickly, efficiently. The more efficient it is, the less you dilute the stomach acid with fluids when you're eating. Typically, the better your digestion is, the less bloating you have. And the better you do with absorbing your nutrients. Huge fan of oatmeal in the mornings. I love oatmeal, blueberries, peanuts, almonds, et cetera. Avocados are great substitutes.
Starting point is 00:10:49 his snacks. Yeah, avocados are healthy fats. Yep, yep. And the peanuts again. Olive oil, you know, what I told a lot of people, just if you eat a varied diet, then you're not going to
Starting point is 00:11:03 miss certain micronutrients. If you have someone cleaning your house, and they always miss this corner, they get everything else, but, you know, just routinely they miss this corner. And then, you know, after a year or two, you
Starting point is 00:11:19 see it looks, you know, there's all this filth in the corner or there's dust build up or, you know, whatever. And it's just because they're systematically omitting that. And when you eat like our son does, a very monotonous diet, and we got, we're working on him with that. Our other son's getting out of it, but the one kid, he, he is afraid to eat certain things because it messes his stomach up. And so he really contracted his diet.
Starting point is 00:11:49 And when you become, have a monotonous diet, then you may be missing routinely certain micronutrients. And over time, that effect can build up or compound. You know, I've seen people in my practice that just ate such a bland diet that they got scurvy. I've seen a case of scurvy in my career. Yeah. Oh, wow. The guy, well, the person, ate nothing but vitamin C devoid things, you know, canned, canned beans, and I can't remember what the heck he ate. And, yeah, so I've actually seen a case of scurvy.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Wow. And you can do the same thing with other micronutrients that seem to be important. really been interested in the data on vegan diets and longevity. And I'm going to look some of that up while Tacey is, because she's vigorously raising her hand out there. Oh, all I have to say is if your plate is colorful, isn't that supposed to be a good thing? That's a good thing. With Skittles.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Chocolate brownie. M&Ms. Very, you know, another great thing is to just shop, you know, the, you know, or the perimeter of the grocery store, typically you'll find a lot more of them. That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah, and that's kind of how they set things up. Sure. That's some other good advice.
Starting point is 00:13:23 But remember warm foods, warm drinks, that does help with your digestion in your, you know, and I'm also a fan of supplements. Do you know what a fru-terian is? A fru-terian, I can imagine. A fru-terian. Hey, but listen, the way my day has gone so far, I'm sure my guess would be way off. Fertarian is a nut. A very strange person? I am a fru-terian.
Starting point is 00:13:44 I want to eat. only plants and products that do not result in damage to the planted set of it. Oh, my goodness. So that would be apples and nuts, but not carrots or potatoes. There was a very famous fruitarian, and his name was Cain from Kung Fu, David Caradine, or John Caradine. Was it John or David? That was David, right? And Dr. Scott is a pescatarian.
Starting point is 00:14:12 He excludes meat, but eats fish and seafood. seafood and I saw you one time eat some godforsaken thing I can't remember why you did that you were starving or something what was that that you ate do you remember you would have to remember it probably a barbecue sandwich that's what it was it was a barbecue sandwich yeah every once a while I get that kind of carnivorous craving and then there's a thing called a dirty vegetarian they avoid meat and fish but they do not pay particular attention to their diet eat lots of ready-made and confectionary product. So you can be a vegetarian and eat nothing but candy.
Starting point is 00:14:50 And he'd eat trash. Yeah. And so I think I am a flexitarian, which I value a balanced diet where you eat meat or fish in moderation, but not particularly often because I'll go days sometimes without eating a meat. So there is, are you familiar with the orthorexic diet? No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:13 followers of this diet force themselves to have a healthy diet and are afraid of getting sick from unhealthy food and they set their own definitions of what is healthy and you're going to, you'll recognize this while some refrain
Starting point is 00:15:29 from certain foods like household sugar others eliminate whole food groups and eat nothing but raw food it's a compulsive behavior in many people but I've seen people just Does your bread have sugar in it? And it's like, yeah, if you're eating bread, starches are sugars.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Part of it. I mean, what not? I know. I mean, sugar is the enemy. No question about that. But, you know, just go f yourself with that. So, anyway, if there was one particular answer, we would know it. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:06 And there is no one. And you can, and there is some data. On vegan diets, you know, prolonging lifespan, however, you got to do it right because you can have a vegan diet where you're just eating pasta all the time, pasta and olive oil, and you can be just, you know, 600 pounds being a vegan. So you've got to be very careful with that. Yep. So, yeah, just my recommendation, like Scots, just eat lots of different things and mostly healthy things. and everything in moderation except for everything in moderation. Every once in a while you blow it out your ass.
Starting point is 00:16:47 I think that's good for you. Right? Yes, agreed. Yeah, and that's one thing I like to say too is if you just really, really, really love something and crave something, well, eat a little bit of it. You don't have to. I can't do that. See, I can take one piece of pie, one piece of pie, and it'll last me five days.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Get out of here. Oh, easily. One bite. See, you know what my motto is? I walk in, yeah. Two little pieces of it. of pie is just like one big one. That's true.
Starting point is 00:17:14 And, you know, lady diagnosis, who hadn't been on the show in a long time, but she can just eat one potato chip. If I eat one potato chip, I will eat the whole bag. I'm like that, too. So I just can't have them. Salt and that oil and that thing. So good. So good.
Starting point is 00:17:31 You throw chocolate on those. Crunchy, salty, chocolatey, sweet, fat. There was a study that showed that people prefer fat over sugar. And the way they did it was they took chocolates that were high in fat and chocolates that were high in sugar, and people would prefer the ones that were high in fat. I like to mix them up sugar and fat together in chocolate. Oh, Eminem peanuts. A little bit of salt in there.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Or Mr. Goodbar. Oh, yeah. So would you recommend this guy go see a nutritionist? or would they do the triangle on him? Well, they're kind of getting away from the pyramid. Yes, yes. The pyramid sucked. It was, and if people don't know what we're talking about, that's actually good.
Starting point is 00:18:24 But, you know, in the 60s they developed this, or maybe it was the 50s, developed this food pyramid where it said that the vast majority, the base of the pyramid was grains. And so that's when, oh, you've got to eat white bread with every meal and all this kind of stuff. And what they were doing was promoting grain sales. And it was really what kind of drove this thing. And you see the nation's obesity go, if you look at videos from back in the 40s, or videos,
Starting point is 00:18:53 but, you know, films that were filmed in the 40s of just groups of people at a sporting event or something like that. And then do it now. It's amazing the difference. Oh, heck, yeah. The level of obesity is insane in this country. and it wasn't always like that. But anyway, so that, yeah, the food pyramid kind of blows chunks. But I think most nutritionists will tell you just a good balanced diet.
Starting point is 00:19:19 If you have glucose intolerance, you can still eat bread and stuff. You just have to limit the amount. And I always told people, no white bread but brown bread, no white pasta but brown pasta, no white rice but brown rice, that kind of stuff. and that really does help some people that don't have to be on insulin and reducing, I'm sorry, yeah, sugar, glucose reducing medications, but have a predilection for it and I want to be a little bit healthier. So, all right, here's one for you, Dr. Scott. Hey, Dr. Steve. This is Alan.
Starting point is 00:19:58 We've spoken before about insomnia and shift work syndrome and sleeping pills and. And I've been on Ambien before, and it was for far too long. It was about 16 months when it was supposed to be short term. And I finally got off a night shift and was able to get to a somewhat normal sleep schedule. But I ended up started listening to Dr. Huberman from Stanford. No, I'm just kidding. I don't know where you. He's a neuroscientist.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Oh, okay. Yes, this question is for Dr. Scott. To talk about magnesium threonate and cyanine and apigenin, I've started to use those, and it's had some good effects, but it's also had some slight stomach issues, but it seems that I've gotten past that, but is this a viable option that could be long-term? I've also started using lavender and aromatherapy and all that. But, yeah, if you could talk about shiftwork syndrome and other alternatives, aside from Ambien and melatonin, because I also understand melatonin can have some serious side effects to include testosterone decrease.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Thanks for your help, Dr. Steve. Yeah, man. Scott. Oh, yeah. Cool, and thank you. So I know a little bit about thionine and apigenin or apigenin. Apigenin is just a flavonoid. They find it in celery and apples and other things like that.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And one of the things that they've used it for is decreasing the likelihood of developing breast cancer. So I've not heard about this in as a sleep aid. As a sleep aid. So while Dr. Scott talks about his. thing, I may just you know, go into you know, take a deeper dive. Thionine is just an amino acid.
Starting point is 00:22:14 It's found in T and mushrooms. And it comes in, you know, L and D. It's an L and D isomer. So there's a left-right, left-sided molecule and a right-sided molecule. And it kind of acts like glutamate in the body. But then it, the way, when it comes to sleep, what it does is it affects the brain chemicals of GABA and dopamine and serotonin.
Starting point is 00:22:41 So people will use it for anxiety. They'll use it as a neotropic and for stress and stuff like that. Not a whole lot of good scientific evidence to support those uses. So anyway. But probably not going to hurt you. I wouldn't think so. Although I do remember when people were taking L. tryptophan. and really shouldn't be any downsides of that either.
Starting point is 00:23:07 It's just an amino acid. But when made in the lab improperly, it caused a rash of people who had this thing called scleroderma. And, you know, some of them died from it. It caused scleriderm. But it wasn't the triptophan. It was a, they had messed the molecule up. Let me look that up while you're talking about your part. Yeah, it could have been a filler or they just didn't, you know, you're making it.
Starting point is 00:23:33 in an organic laboratory, basically, organic chemistry lab, and you can screw it up. Yeah, yeah. And it was really bad. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so just for insomnia, I battled insomnia my whole life, so I know a couple things about it. And a couple of really important things, A, make sure you have a healthy diet, not a lot of sugars, not a lot of caffeine, especially late in a day, because that certainly will throw it off.
Starting point is 00:23:59 and foods that are hard to digest can kind of keep you up at night because it's bloating, abdominal pain. The other thing is making sure that you don't always focus on knocking yourself out to sleep. But a lot of times what you can do to help that sleep is to increase your energy during the daytime. During your waking hours, making sure you get lots of activity and burn off, burn off all of the energy you can. So at night you can sleep.
Starting point is 00:24:27 And Daisy, question? Are you going to add two? Oh, I was going to add two whenever you were done. And, no, I thought she had a good question. I'm not going to ask you a question. Just finish your thing, and that means she'll talk. So, yeah, so there we go. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:24:45 So, again, at night, though, if you're really needing some sleep aids, you know, you hear a lot about magnesium, the magnesium glistenate, which she was speaking of earlier, is a wonderful natural muscle. relax are very easily absorbed and you don't poop it out like you do mag citrate so that's one benefit of that you'll hear people talk about taking melatonin i personally love melatonin but you eat but you know you'll have people that that have tried it and didn't have success with it and sometimes it's because they've taken it improperly sometimes melodonans take a long time to break down so you always want to get a quick acting one so you don't have to take it three hours before you go to sleep is that a gummy you can sometimes it's a gummy sometimes it's a you know a sublingual drop.
Starting point is 00:25:30 I have a really quick acting capsule that works extremely well. You know, I'm a huge fan of the CBD oils and CBD gumbies and things like that. Yeah, he's not. Yeah. You have a conflict of interest on that. Well, but I also will concur. Yeah, but they have been, they have shown to help calm people down. There are some old Chinese herbal medicine formulas if you have someone in your region.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Well, sure. They had insomnia. Very, very effective, that's right. They worked on this shit for 4,000 years. So what did they come up with? Well, in one of them, I actually, that's my stress less formula for Simply Herbles is based off of some of the things they use to help calm people down at night. And one of the things, believe it or not, and the ingredients is oyster shell.
Starting point is 00:26:16 It's a cooling natural herb. Right. Ground up. This is calcium, though, right? It is, but it helps to calm me down at night. So my stress less works pretty well. So, you know, the biggest thing is just be really cautious trying to knock yourself out. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Really work on all of the other things. And another thing I'll tell you, too. Let me throw this out there. If you take hypnotics to sleep, there is strong evidence that reduces, I mean, it increases all-cause mortality. For whatever reason, they don't know why. But if you take hypnotics every night to sleep, then those people, tend to have a lower lifespan. Now, it may just be that people with chronic insomnia
Starting point is 00:26:59 have a lower lifespan anyway. So it may not be a cause, but again, a marker. Yeah, a couple of things real quickly, too, is Dr. Stephen, is from your perspective, the medical, more alipathic perspective is, you know, for males, I'm a huge fan of making sure testosterone is normal. Typically, if testosterone is really low,
Starting point is 00:27:16 you don't have as much energy in a daytime. You don't have as, you don't sleep as well at nighttime. And I can always tell if my testosterone gets low, I start having poor sleep. I'll do my shot. Energy in the daytime, I sleep better at night. That's interesting in that. Yeah, and it would make sense.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Just by your neuronal rhythms and, you know, hormonal shifts. So just make sure you're medically okay. Yeah. Medically healthy. Yep. Don't exercise too close to sleep time. Exercise is good, but too close to sleep time, not good. The best I've ever slept was when I would do a river run.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Oh, yeah. And you're expending all of that energy, keeping your body temperature up because you're immersed in cold water a lot of the times. And then you are paddling and just, you know, for your life. But you don't think about getting tired because if you do and you're on the, not the Gawley River. Good Lord. I'm having a senior moment. But oh, the new river. And you end up in, there was a rapids there called Greyhound School Bus.
Starting point is 00:28:21 And that's because you could put a Greyhound. hound school bus in it. Oh, wow. And if you got caught in that damn thing, you were going to die. So you don't even think about getting tired until you get off the river and you have a beer or two and you eat something and then you go hit the sack and you'll sleep for 12 hours straight. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:28:40 So getting some exercise early in the day, again, like Scott was saying, helping to expend some of that energy. And, you know, your body wants to recuperate after that. we're missing a big part of this as well with sleep hygiene. Yes. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, and these are not fun things. I mean, you know, establishing a regular sleep schedule, using naps with care, not exercising
Starting point is 00:29:08 physically too close to bedtime, limiting worry, good luck with that, limiting exposure to light in the hours before sleep, getting out of bed. If you read in bed with your iPad, turn the blue sensors off. all will do that now. Getting out of bed of sleep does not come, not using bed for anything but sleep in sex. Or just using it just for sleep, right? Yes. Avoiding
Starting point is 00:29:33 alcohol as well as nicotine, caffeine, and other stimulants. I'm ignoring you in the hours before bedtime and having a peaceful, comfortable and dark sleep environment. That is the thing. We have all these stupid LEDs on everything. Cover
Starting point is 00:29:48 those up. You know, if you've got an, you know, echo, Oh, and now it's turned on. If you have an Alexa in your house that's in your room that you use for an alarm, you can tell it to turn its display off. I hear Beck do that every night. You know, Alexa, turn off your display. And then you can take electricians tape and cover up some of the, just the chargers and stuff that have lights on them.
Starting point is 00:30:16 I'm glad they have lights on them so you know they're working, but really I can tell if it's working when I plug something in, if it starts charging. So you don't really need that. But I have one that is so bright that I can almost read by it. Oh, wow. And so just covering that stuff up, having a dark room because your pituitary wants a light and dark cycle. And did you mention melatonin, right?
Starting point is 00:30:41 Yes. Yeah, okay. Melatonin gummies, not the pills. Yeah, and I agree taste. Hygiene is a huge thing. You know, my whole life, I never could sleep. So I always had a TV in my room. always kept the TV running because I'd lay there just wide-eyed and finally and that was why
Starting point is 00:30:57 yeah well about a year and a half ago took it out of the bedroom it's I thought I could never sleep without a television but it's like really until a year and a half of yes and I thought I had to have it to sleep and but what did Robin think about that didn't love it yeah Tacey used to do that I used to do that I used to have to fall asleep with the TV on because she had to have the TV on and I I couldn't have, back in the day, I would read. But to do that, when before Kindles and stuff, you had to have the lights on. So I went through all these machinations trying to figure out some kind of light that I could have on so I could read that wouldn't keep her up because she couldn't stand it. And then I couldn't stand her having the effing TV on.
Starting point is 00:31:44 And eventually they came out with Kindles and she started, you know, listening to meditative music or something instead. and now it's, you know, somewhat better. I'm a huge fan of the... And we both got bi-paps and CPAPs so we don't snore each other. Yeah, we don't snore each other out. We're a pair. You know, like an old, old couple. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:32:04 Yeah. That is, by the... All right, very good. I think we hit that one. Thank you. It's a good luck, guys. Excellent question. Here's another one from the fluid family.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Hey, Steve. I'd like to remain nameless, but I have a question about urine therapy. Is there any... real science supporting this or is it just a hoax? Yep. I hear that urine has some sort of
Starting point is 00:32:32 coating that when you drink it tells your body what you may or may not now if you drink urine it tells your body that you're on the middle of the ocean and you're getting ready to die and you're desperate that's right. You've run it
Starting point is 00:32:50 As far as, like, fighting for your immune system and stuff. Anyways, figured I'd ask, thank you. Look, I have an open mind, and I've looked this up before, and there's no data anywhere. There's a lot of anecdotal stuff. And they'll say, well, you're reclaiming vitamins where you're not, though. Here's the thing. The vitamins that you piss out are mostly B vitamins and vitamin C. A, D, E, and K are all vitamins that are fat soluble.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Water soluble on. All the rest of them are water soluble. And if you don't need them, you piss them out. So if you drink your urine, you're drinking your own urine and you're still going to piss. And you're not going to gain any vitamins because your body pissed them out because you didn't need them. And you're probably going to piss them out a second time. Yeah, exactly. Because you still don't need them.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Yes. And you're just, oh, it's some, don't do that. Now, having said that, there are some uses for urine. Sure. If people, but there's a easier way to do it. If people have dry, crusty feet, sometimes they'll piss on their feet. That's so gross. And what it is, the urea in the urine actually acts as a softener.
Starting point is 00:34:07 So it's a keratilitic. It will increase. it will increase the maceration of the tissues. And when you get too far, the tissues turn white and get, you know, weird looking and pruny. But we use urea cream to soften toenails. If we're going to take a toenail off, we'll have somebody put urea cream on the toenail for like a week until they, and then they come in and it'll soften it up so we can burr it down or whatever. and urea cream is sold
Starting point is 00:34:41 I don't think they extract it from urine it's probably hopefully made in the laboratory but they'll make that as a skin moisturizer or a skin softener if you've got big thick calluses and stuff pregnant mare's urine
Starting point is 00:35:00 is used in the past to make estrogen so they would take pregnant mare and catheter And these poor animals, good Lord, you know, just trying to carry a baby around. And you've got these idiots catheterizing them. And they would collect the urine and it would have tons of estrogen in it. And then you could extract it from the urine and put it in pills and make women take it when they went through menobos.
Starting point is 00:35:28 And a lot of women took it. Yeah. But you don't drink. Premarin. You don't drink the urine. Right. You could just put your mouth to the faucet, I guess. But wouldn't you rather just take a pill?
Starting point is 00:35:40 Yeah, I'd think peeling a little bit less messy. It's a great question, though. If I ever find any positive benefit to urine therapy, then I will absolutely. Maybe if you get stung by a jellyfish, urine therapy is good. Yes. Pissing on wounds and stuff is totally fine. Got no problem. Yep, I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:36:02 All right. Now, this is another insomnia. Hey, Dr. Steve, it's Dennis in Indiana. Hey, Dennis. Sleepless in Indiana. Oh, no. Hey, I've tried, damn you in and all those other latest, greatest sleeping pills. They don't work back on Trazodone, which barely works.
Starting point is 00:36:24 But just wondering what you recommend for an insomniac or something natural or something. That's an interesting question today. Both of those came in within minutes of each other. Let's just talk about Trazidone for a second, because Dennis, I think we covered a lot of the natural stuff. Sleep hygiene, and if you are wound up during the day and you lay down in your mind that's just racing, I do highly recommend the Trip app, TRIPP, for Oculus.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Every one that I've tried it on has all said I would buy that, and some of them have gone out and bought it. And every single one that's tried it has had a stress level that was higher before they did it then after, and it's 10 minutes. It's basically a 3D virtual environment where you learn breathing and breathing techniques and meditative techniques. And it's not, I mean, it is new agey, but it's also, well, I guess what's more new age than virtual reality? I mean, it's in a virtual reality environment. It is the coolest damn thing. We did it on Bobby Kelly, and he literally fell asleep.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Within minutes. Sitting in a chair. I mean, we had to catch him. That was crazy. I've put people who were crawling out of their skin on the trip app, and they all have 100%. I mean, it's 100% effective. Wow.
Starting point is 00:37:59 So it's amazing. So that's something. And the other thing is for me, and this is just me, I have my Kindle and I have an iPad with a Kindle app on it. Who cares? Why don't it to go through so much detail? But I have my reading device and I've got the blue phosphorus turned off with black background with white letters so that it's not just light going into my eyes. And as I'm reading, it kind of sets my brain into neutral because you're paying attention to the reading. You're not worrying about all the things that you're worried about.
Starting point is 00:38:39 And reading is one of those things. I think it's underestimated as a mindfulness technique. Well, as a meditation technique because you're actually turning off your brain. You're not thinking about other stuff. You're just focusing on what's on the page. It's just like a big long mantra in a way. and for me that puts me right to sleep if I'm worried about something
Starting point is 00:39:02 or if I wake up and it's like oh god I've only got four hours to sleep and then I've only got three hours I just pick up my book and then within a few minutes I'm asleep well you know why that I think why that works like that is because your brain at night
Starting point is 00:39:15 compartmentalizes things really well and when you've got a lot going on you're not compartmentalizing things as well you're too scattered so I think that kind of brings you back to focus and that's why I think the meditation is so important because it teaches you to allow those thoughts to go through your brain without focusing on them or without fighting them and just allows you to accept them
Starting point is 00:39:36 and then hopefully conk out and go to sleep. What's kind of just reminds me of this idea that when they changed the liturgy to English, that it decreased the value for some people of going to a, you know, a religious service, like Catholic Mass or Episcopal Mass or whatever, that when it was in Latin, the people that were there didn't understand Latin. And so it just became a meditative thing because their brain just goes into a different state. But then when they changed it to English, all of a sudden your brain is engaging with it. And that engagement actually decreases the value for some people of attaining a sort of different, altered state of being, you know. religious fervor kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:40:29 So that's kind of interesting. All right. Did we get that one? Yep. Okay. Very good. All right. Toss that into the old trash.
Starting point is 00:40:41 There you go. Okay. Oh, Tacey, this is one for you. Hey, Dr. Steve. Got a question for you. I'm a normal every morning after my coffee, take a poop kind of guy every single day, like clockwork.
Starting point is 00:40:56 However, if I'm traveling away from my house, especially if I'm going camping, I can't poop. I get constipated or blocked up, barely go until I get back home. Is this some weird survival thing? Is there something I'm eating? What do you think, Dr. Steve? Thanks. That's a great question. That is a great question.
Starting point is 00:41:20 Isn't that interesting that your colon and your intestines understand that you're not in a safe place to go to the bathroom. And, I mean, I have nothing else to say about it. I mean, you know, you can take, what, Mir relax with you and try that and see if that helps. You don't want to do it the day you're going to fly. No. No, I mean, I take it. No one wants to shit in the airport.
Starting point is 00:41:50 I mean, well, the airport's okay, but on a plane. Or a bus or a train. And no one wants you to shit in there. That's the thing. Hey, I've got a great story. We were playing Western Kentucky. A guy named Chris Turner, who went on the big leagues with the Yankees. He made a deposit in the back of our bus about halfway home from Houston one day.
Starting point is 00:42:11 It was so awful that the bus driver pulled the bus over and dumped it into the drainage system. Oh, my God. Then we got back to the United States and said, hell yeah, it helped. Thank God it was awful. I hope it was easy. Yeah, there's nothing worse than being on a bus going to Albuquerque or something. And you go back there and somebody just shit all over the seed and all over the place. It's so, ah, that's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:42:41 I mean, there are medications if you're chronically constipated. But I think if it's, what do they call that? Just if you're traveling. Well, you've always sort of traveler's diarrhea, but the traveler's constipation, too. And I think you're right. I think you're just, you're not comfortable. Yeah. You're not where you want to be.
Starting point is 00:43:00 You don't, you know, maybe the noises around you're weird or you're afraid someone else's. In the woods? I'm not doing that. Yeah. Or, you know, so maybe. It's disgusting. We're hardwired because the saber tooth tigers are, you know, we don't know where
Starting point is 00:43:12 they are. But I think Merrillax might be a good fit. Yep. Absolutely. Or a Dolkelex every now and then not consistently, right? Just. Yeah. Well, sleep disruptions.
Starting point is 00:43:25 changed time zones, that can do it. There was a study in the National or in the Journal of Neurogastroenterology and motility. It said poor sleep affects bowel function. And that was an internet survey of patients with chronic constipation focused on correlations between sleep quality, symptoms, severity, and quality of life. And people who traveled just reported that. They don't really have a lot to say other than, yeah, you're not alone. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:53 So, you know, I'm looking at an article that says, before your trip, consider probiotics. I think this is idiotic advice. Couldn't hurt to take a probiotic supplement or eat yogurt with live cultures before you hit the road. Actually, yogurt can cause constipation, so you've got to be careful. You need to know how this stuff affects you. But then they say for best results, get into the habit of consuming kimchi, sourcrow Tempe or yogurt
Starting point is 00:44:26 for at least a few days before you leave home and continue throughout your time way, that doesn't sound like a vacation to be eating sauerkraut. And another good point is you got to know how the Miralax affects you, you just don't want to take it.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Don't just go buy it. And then take it on a trip. Right. Because then you may end up on a plane having to go to the bathroom. Those plain toilets. They're awful. They're not bad in first
Starting point is 00:44:51 class, though. Oh, really? Oh, well, please tell us more. Oh, wow, that is very interesting. Please tell me more. Quite peaceful and wouldn't be a bad place to take a dump. Really? Not that I would, but I mean, it's just, it's just so clean compared to back in the back. Really? Yeah. Oh, with those people in coach, you mean? The poor coachee. God. I've gotten lucky and got it. I've gotten lucky and got it. and upgraded a few times here lately. We do not pay for first class.
Starting point is 00:45:27 It's just love. When you become retired, you get to magically move to first class. Dr. Steve, I don't know. Yeah, I always request it, and I didn't get it last time. And I was like, damn it. Yeah, she only got Comfort Plus. Oh, my gosh. And they have to use the same shitter as everybody else.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Lord and lady do you back. It's so nice. I'm just going to take, I'm going to edit that to just say lady douche-bag. When Daisy talks about how fancy she is. Let me see if I can make it do that. Hang on a second. Hang on. Lady douche-bag.
Starting point is 00:46:12 Close. It's close. Okay. All right. Here you go. Dr. Scott. Here's a good one. Casey, Dr. Scott.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Hey, hey. Hi. Hi. Hi. from Ohio. Hey. Hey, I have a question for you. When I went to my primary care physician, he did my PSA test, and he shows my number
Starting point is 00:46:33 trending upwards, not to the action level yet, but I am just turned 60, and I was just wondering what I can do to try to lower my PSA results. Appreciate it. And I appreciate all the work you've done on your podcast, too. Thanks, man. You know, going through COVID, I think Casey asked a lot of good questions. She sure did. So thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Held my feet to the fire. I think he was calling from inside of a hyperbaric chamber. So you got any natural methods to lower your PSA or to prevent elevation of your PSA? I've got a couple. Well, I think it's a couple of things. You have to start early and maintain healthy prostate habits forever. Like what? The soft daily bowel movements.
Starting point is 00:47:19 It's none of the hard American stools that rub and irritate the prostate for years. It does help to evacuate your prostate on a regular basis. Yeah, so you can have help or you can do it alone, whatever serves you're the best. I think they probably figured that. But certainly there, I think having a really well-balanced type full of appropriate supplements are good. Give myself a bell. Oh, for fuck's sake. Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:50 I was waiting for somebody to say diet changes. How do I know about a PSA? That's totally unfair. Right. Well, we've got some... One baby. One is it. I'm sure we have some ovary questions that you can weigh in on here in a minute.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, healthy diet, more fruits and vegetables may result in lower PSA levels, and it may just make you feel better all over the place. And exercise. obesity contributes to a lot of problems, including problems with prostate. So exercise and weight loss, you may get benefit. These are all may managing stress. You cannot separate mind from body, so we're going to say that on everything. And there is some data that show a positive link between aspirin use and prostate health. Now, one thing I'm interested in is shrinking the prostate, and there are a couple of ways
Starting point is 00:48:45 that you can do that if somebody's got a big, meaty prostate. And one is using fanasteride, and fanasteride, it blocks testosterone at the level of the hair follicle and at the level of the prostate. So it can result in a smaller prostate. I'm interested to see if there's any data, if there is a correlation between taking Phonasteride and prostate cancer, because that's what he's worried about. We don't care what your PSA is if you never have prostate cancer or have bladder outflow obstruction.
Starting point is 00:49:23 What we're really interested in is preventing morbidity and mortality. So that would be, are you looking that up? No. Okay, so I said, I would be very interested. And then you went and started typing on your keyboard. I'm like, hey, Scott's checking that out. No, Hale, no, I'm talking to fluid finally into those things. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:43 Check an email. And then Tadis check an email. Good Lord. Okay, so will you make a note of that? Yes, sir. And I'll check that to see. And one of the other things that may be beneficial, may, and I'm going to look for data on that for next show, hard data, is this Saw Palmetto stuff. I had urologists tell me that Saw Palmetto is as effective as finasteride for some patients.
Starting point is 00:50:11 And that may, does that translate into decreased morbidity and mortality? I don't know the answer to that, but I want hard numbers before I recommend it. Go ahead. And, you know, being a supplement, they may not have the extensive research that they would for a pharmaceutical medication, a prescription medication. Yeah. But there are a number of really good supplements out there. And you can find them all over the Internet that I have seen work extremely. will for prostititis and swollen prostates.
Starting point is 00:50:45 Well, here's something from Western New York Urology Associates. They said studies show Sal Palmetto is equally effective for reducing symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy, which would be peeing in the middle of the night, you know, more than three or four times, nocturia, we call that, or bladder outflow obstruction and other symptoms. It says it has one meaningful advantage. It leaves PSA levels unchanged. So my hypothesis, at least according to these studies, is not good, that it may reduce the symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy, but it doesn't necessarily change the size of the prostate or the amount of PSA that's released.
Starting point is 00:51:26 But I will look for that. And if I find something really interesting, we'll make a little topic out of it next time. Okay. All right. Okay. Oh, this is a really good question. Hi, Dr. Steve, Casey, Dr. Scott, this is from Ohio again. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:45 I was catching up on your prior podcast where you were discussing dreams. Yeah, I'm a person who only really remembers their dreams if I'm suddenly awakened. But a few years back, my cardiologist put me on a beta blocker, metropole. Metroprol, yes. And I started remembering all my dreams, so that was waking up. and after a while I decided not to keep on that drug anymore. I took it stopped off it, and I stopped bringing my dreams. I wonder if you know anything about this.
Starting point is 00:52:17 I know this is an adult one, but just kind of curious if what's going on there. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, dreams are complex. The brain is complex. And when you have medications that cross the blood-brain barrier, some of them might affect your dreams and it turns out metoprolol
Starting point is 00:52:38 as one of them as a matter of fact beta blockers are one of the most common medications that can cause disturbed dreaming vivid dreams and about one third of people
Starting point is 00:52:50 that have nightmares are taking beta blockers now I have nightmares every once in a while but it's always I smoked a pack of cigarettes and then I woke up or I murdered somebody
Starting point is 00:53:04 and then I'm just hanging around with people, you know, hey, how's it going, Steve? You know, blah, and I know I murdered somebody, and the net is getting closer and everybody's going to find out. And then I wake up in a cold sweat going, thank God that was a dream. You know, I take that medication, and that's interesting. You take Metabolol? Mm-hmm. Oh, you do. That is correct, yes.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Yeah, and so I can never find anything in my dream, and it's very disturbing. It's, you wouldn't think it would be so disturbing, but where's my car? Oh, but that's. Where's my hair, bro? That's one of your things, though. Tacey sometimes, particularly back in the day, would at midnight go, oh, my God, where are my keys? And then start pawing through everything. And I'd hear, it's like, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:53:49 I can't find my keys. And then she would get mad at me if I didn't help her. And I think some of this was Ampian. Well, probably. Amiens did a lot of stuff to me. But now that's interesting. But that's kind of your thing, is if you can't find something, it causes you a lot of anxiety. Yeah, so that's pretty much my dream pattern.
Starting point is 00:54:11 I'm having a decent day. And I always remember, I remember pretty well. And I lose shit. And then I go nuts. And then I never find it. And I wake up. Right. Were you taking that stuff when you were having your hypnopompic episodes?
Starting point is 00:54:25 You probably were. No. No, you weren't. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, just changing the beta blocker can change the dream pattern. So there are other beta blockers.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I wouldn't use propranol anymore. It's a little bit just two-two. It's the one of the, well, it is the first beta blocker, basically. But there's bisoprolol, curvatolol. There's other ones, love betelol. Now, it didn't affect my blood pressure very much. Is that typical of a beta blocker? I mean, it really didn't bring it down like...
Starting point is 00:55:04 Why are you taking it? Well, because for a blood pressure. Well, then, no, it's ineffective then. But now that plus the Los Arden... Together, but I wonder if you need the beta blocker at that point. I mean, but then talk to me about how beta blockers can help with anxiety and things. Right. Well, one of the things that they do is...
Starting point is 00:55:29 is decrease the tone to the heart from the autonomic nervous system. So it actually slows down the heart. It decreases epinephrine response and those kinds of things. So I can blunt the physical manifestations of anxiety. I think that the reason I was on it was because my watchma jigger was high. Your watchamajigger? Yeah, the thing where they put on your finger, pulse. Oh, your pulse ox was, oh, you were hyperventilating?
Starting point is 00:56:01 No, not not a pulse but just the pulse. So just your pulse rate. Yeah. Yes, so it will decrease pulse rate. And it actually can make, like, runners that are on a beta blocker will hit a wall faster because they can't maximally exercise anymore because of the beta blockers. And synthroid increases, right, your pulse rate. That is correct.
Starting point is 00:56:21 That is correct. Well, if you're taking the proper amount of, you know, thyroid hormone, it shouldn't increase pathologically. If it's pathologically high, then you're taking too much synthroid. You will take that out of my cold dead hands. She loves her synthroid. I do love my scentroid.
Starting point is 00:56:41 I do your in hell. Okay, before we go, let's do one more here. Let's see. Let's try this one. Dr. Steve, is Matt from Charleston. Hey, Matt. Just read a click-fady article about Gwyneth Paltrow and how she uses.
Starting point is 00:56:58 is rectal ozone therapy. Oh, but she's a genius. And this apparently introduces medical grade ozone gas directly into the colon via the rectum of an individual. And this individual is Glenneth Paltrow. What the heck is that about? Is that helping? Is that some weird stuff that celebrities do that doesn't really do anything? Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Yes and no. That's the problem with this stuff is people like. her, and I'm sure she's a delightful person, but people like her will latch on to stuff like this because there is some data on colonic ozone, right?
Starting point is 00:57:46 You know, it's known to kill bacteria. It exerts toxic effects on human tissues, but it's used for treatment of diseases like inflammatory bowel disease in some European countries. and it's really been unexplored when it comes to the data. So I'm looking at the effect of ozone on colonic epithelial cells in a Karumi medical journal. I don't know what this journal is.
Starting point is 00:58:13 And they said that they found intracial administration of ozone gas induced transient, meaning short-lived, colonic epithelial cell damage characterized, by the impairment of cell survival pathways involved in DNA replication, cell cycle, and mismatch repair. Okay, so what they're saying is it killed colonic cells that lie in the colon. But it said the damage cells were rapidly extruded from the epithelial layers, meaning sloughed off, and appeared to immediately stimulate turnover of the epithelial layer of the colon. epithelial layer of the colon, just the inner lining, that really active layer.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Therefore, it is possible ozone gas is able to trigger damaged-induced rapid regeneration of intestinal epithelial cells. So they don't give what the concentrations were. They don't give shit. And so that's the problem I have. You got Gwyneth, how is she generating ozone and what concentration is she shoving up her ass? Yeah, because excessive amounts of ozone are dangerous to you and kill you, yes.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Now, here's the effect of ozone therapy on the healing of colonic anastomosis. This is where when you resect someone's part of someone's colon, when you attach the two ends together, that is called reanastomosis. And they did this on rats, and they said, let me see. Conclusion, ozone therapy had a beneficial effect on anastomotic healing of the colon in the presence of paratinitis. So there are some things that they'll study going forward. Here's one on ozone therapy and cancer patients for, let me see. I had it here. Okay, here we go.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Oxygen ozone therapy as support and palliative therapy in 50 cancer patients with fatigue, a short report. And this is from, it doesn't even say what journalists. Oh, the European Review of Medical and Pharmacologic Science. And they gave 50 patients with cancer and fatigue were treated with auto-hemotransfusion according to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, protocols two times a week for a month. So what they did was they took their blood out, treated it with ozone, and then shoved it back in them, it looks like. And it says here that the preliminary data demonstrate ozone therapy was valid supportive therapy for fatigue in cancer patients.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Now, there's no placebo. So just, you know, this is not, almost just 50 anecdotal. events. So, yeah, here's, does ozone alleviate AIDS diarrhea? The result of the series suggests that medical ozone administered by rectal insufflation is simple, safe, and effective. So there you go. And that kind of makes sense in the light of that other study that showed that the ozone
Starting point is 01:01:44 caused rapid turnover of colonic mucous membrane cells. and if they were damaged, then, you know, that might improve the function of the colon. So I think there may be something there, but just doing it just to do it, you know, if she doesn't have irritable bowel syndrome or something else, well, what she thinks she's doing with this? She's doing goop.
Starting point is 01:02:08 Yeah, goop. Yeah, she's doing goop. Goop can kiss my ass. Scorn and defiance. Slight regard. There you go. Well, that's what I say. What else I say to Gwyneth Paltrow?
Starting point is 01:02:23 Can you please stop bullshitting? Yeah, so anyway. Or maybe a little more forceful. You are a liar, actress. Go the f*** out. She is an actress. Yes, she is. So, all right?
Starting point is 01:02:38 Yes. So I don't know. Maybe there's some medical use for. Maybe we're studying and moving forward. Yes, it's worth looking at. I mean, ozone is easy to produce. it is extremely effective at killing cells
Starting point is 01:02:54 and some cells need to be killed but it is non-specific you know so if you have cancer and someone's offering you ozone for your cancer I would decline very gracefully but I would still decline because it's going to probably kill other
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