Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 111: SS Andrea Doria

Episode Date: August 21, 2022

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Mm-hmm. Oh, I burped so loud. Oh, I went through my nose And then we're doing the thing What do we say here? Avanti Yeah, if you introduced the podcast in Italian a bonus era be a minute. Uh, well, there's your problem Oh, Tom Paine's gonna get so mad at us on the camera. My Italian now runs out Salami Normally for being Italian Mussolini, right? Yes. Yeah Clara Patachi and welcome

PPSH firing in the background Clara Patachi, Nicalina Bombacci. Welcome to Welcome to what there's your problem. It's a podcast with slides about engineering disasters Also, if they wasn't killed with a PPSH, I don't fucking care Don't get weird in the comments. Mm-hmm. I'm Justin Rosnick. I'm the person who's talking right now My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. I am she and her and fuck. Yeah. No, I fucked that up I was trying to think of I am she Pronouns I have a name

I was trying to think of what my pronouns would be in Italian and then I just crossed a wire in my brain But my pronouns are she and her fuck you Complete short circuit. Hi. I'm stop talking. I'm Liam Anderson and my pronouns are he and him So what you're seeing on the screen here is an ocean liner. Mm-hmm. You may notice It is Not in a great orientation. It's not in a very good situation. I don't want to avoid Avoid this situation. Oh 38 is what killed Mussolini allegedly

Okay But this is lying on its side in the water, which is not where a boat wants to be now You want to be upright in the water ideally? This is not and this is this is not deep water, but it is deep enough Yeah, well, you can drown in this also, right? Exactly Today we're gonna talk about what a disaster. I've wanted to do for a while now The Andrea Doria

Okay, which was of course the You sound surprised even though you helped do the slides. I was it's called auspicious You don't have to like always show them like you have to pull back the curtain all the time I'm gonna pull back the curtain constantly. There is no curtain in the spot It's like a translucent like a shower curtain, you know, I've heard of suspension of disbelief and I want nothing to do with it Part of podcasters who attempt to edit and polish and you know, they're cowards. No, this is raw That's right. You get what you get Oh

Yeah, oh, yeah, we hate you and we want you to know we hate you You ever go to one of those all-inclusive resorts in the Caribbean where if we would we would thrive there We'd poison your food every other night. The jazz band would be shot as they performed Normally, I would be shot for being Italian. I I am obligated to like Italian as my future mother-in-law Oh, there you go. Let's still make fun of her for it. We have one pro-Italian person on the spot I'm pro-Italian I've been watching this this Italian cop show catch a toy Get a girl on there with the most fantastic Roman nose I've ever seen in my life

So I'm pro-Italian too, you know, I think we're actually all pro-Italian. That's we have fun. Yeah, we like them Bella chow banger This is Italy month Italian month may not be an actual month is the thing for us. So shut up Yes, the plan the plan that I have some tentatively devised is that we're gonna do Italian disasters until we run out or get bored Atrocious, yes, you know, I apologize Before we see the screen in front of me before we talk about that bit Andrea Doria we have to do the goddamn news Donnie Donald Trump

Think it's very unfair that they went after Donald Trump just for taking stuff from work Everyone does that you should take stuff from work, right? That's it's it's good. You should do it You know right here on my desk. I have a tape measure I got from work Donnie from Queens. He got nuclear codes. There's gonna say different between us Does that does that does that contain nuclear information because the FBI have raided Numbers on it close enough on it, which is the same thing as the nuclear codes Well for a while the code to fire all the nuclear weapons was zero zero zero zero zero zero. That's not a joke Johnson thing. Yeah I

Mean one Should just be able to say launch the nukes and they do I Has the codes implanted in their chest cavity. Yeah, but right now they were implanted in Mara lago Donald Trump's beach house and the FBI got a warrant and they Went in and took a bunch of documents. So Uh Trump has now got his his people trying to call to abolish the FBI, which is very funny

Yes, I it'd be funny if the like, you know, they're gonna pass on Fred Hampton and Martin Luther King But this is the thing that does for them Yeah, no I To me to my mind This this is good I enjoy the fact that there is a near certainty now at this point that Donald Trump is gonna get arrested off of this shit Yeah, I'm gonna go to jail you you you don't want to break the espionage act I will say that of all the laws we have

Many of which are stupid the espionage act. You probably shouldn't break that one Well, what he's what he's accused of breaking in the meantime is the presidential records act, which is I Mean, I have a friend in National Archives and apparently the vibe there right now is a very serious sort of federal The presidential records act is no laughing matters Kind of I'm just glad that even as a private citizen Donald Trump can do something this funny. That's true That's true. That's like statements that he's made about it. Oh, they're they're they're top notch I will say I do not give him his Twitter account back because it's funny to watch him have to squeeze this through true social statements

Yeah, that's true Yeah, he was he was just taking stuff home from work and and the the current sort of like defense position is He was declassifying stuff in his mind I was rotating the documents in my mind and if it's nuclear stuff you specifically I believe by statute cannot declassify nuclear material No, but that's the idea and it's admittedly. It's stupid. Admittedly. It's wrong in its face Is it gonna stop five Supreme Court justices from from six six Supreme Court? Yeah, exactly, of course not some is gonna adopt the position in neutrality is like a pasturing thing Robert's

I will say I saw a very stupid take by someone who I will not name Name was name. That was Matt Crispin fuck it Chappell beef again. All right. All right, let's go That was like okay if he took the nuclear codes and they changed them That's no big deal and it's like a nuclear documentation nuclear codes aren't the same You're that's on its face wrong and be yeah, come on man like no you shouldn't we shouldn't be leaking the nuclear I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with Matt here. I

Basically, everyone knows how to make a hydrogen bomb It's not it's not like super hard like Processes Capability Friend of the show Socialism slash your himbo boyfriend. I believe pointed out that it's an incredibly complex step You don't just need a facility capable of enriching uranium You don't just need a facility capable of whatever else you don't just need and so on and so forth

Yeah, and like the stuff If you're violating the espionage act no matter how funny he is on Twitter They should nail his dick to the wall Yeah, because the thing is that like the command and control of this stuff is quite literally radioactive, right? It should be miles away from anyone finding out about it and You know, I I was worried about this when when Trump got elected. I'm still worried about it now Doesn't preclude me from making jokes about it, but yeah, it's very bad

All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna build a hydrogen bomb in my basement You do that. Oh, yeah wrong with all the The basement now you're just like, oh, there's too many chemicals down there, and I don't know what they are But you're gonna build it. Oh, I do know what they are. That's why I don't go down there I Stand by the chiron that I put on this the FBI would not have had to raid Mar-a-Lago if the National Archives could do it itself Every organization Every sort of like organ of the federal government grows cops on it like mold and I will collect their patches and challenge coins

And I'm I'm missing a National Archives one I think we we got to have a like a top tier tactical unit for the National Archives But then you'll get mad at us and accuse Alice of being a cop, but she's not to shut the fuck up You know accuse Alice of being a cop and that's the most horrible thing you can think of when I will soon be a hydrogen bomb owner Yeah, that's right Not just a cop, but specifically an archive cop You know, that's because that's the thing right I genuinely think the more niche your cop job is The more justifiable it is if your job is stop people violating this one rule

That's a better starting point than go out and look for people who are violating rules in general So like I'm I don't I don't oppose the existence of the kind of cops who guard the nuclear energy stuff, right? or I don't know how even like the IRS cops the The FDA has cops all of that shit. That's cool. Yeah has cops too. Yeah, yeah I I was always sort of tickled by the Mint police Hmm, you got the male cops No, don't fuck with the 90 98% conviction Levels also if you like and I'm sorry like a cab, but if you punch a male man, you get what's coming to you

Oh, yeah, sure. They're there to live your mouth. Don't mail anthrax. I don't know. That's common sense Don't mail anthrax. Don't mail a hydrogen bomb You gotta hand deliver that. Yeah, we probably got a hand deliver. Well, no, usually people deliver them remotely Yeah, so so Donald Trump is almost certainly gonna get arrested he is also almost certainly not gonna get convicted of anything He's also got the YouTube comments below He's also got the New York attorney general probe going on into all of the extremely criminal ways He ran all of his businesses, which is gonna be hysterical. Yeah, that will be pretty funny Yeah, actually wouldn't they still don't do anything to

Yeah, yeah, they're just sort of a long how dare you sir dare you he's learned his lesson. We're the idiots It's just gonna keep the Mueller. She wrote podcasts going Insulted them and I I do want to take a moment to appreciate their grift when it was so obvious Oh, nothing was gonna come of that and they were sucking down whatever was it like 500k a month at some point Something like I mean much larger than chapter if I recall correctly. We were successful podcast, but like No, I don't know stuff like that makes me feel like I follow those graph tree on rankings religiously They were they were like number 10 or 12 for a long time, but they were never number one I mean all I have to say about this really is how dare you sir

Yeah, I got that from clear and present danger We're at 18 now. So last podcast on the left. We're coming for you We have more patrons than Red Scare. So suck that shit assholes Yeah, but all of them give them like five dollars a month and we we're down to like a two dollar a month thing So yeah, we we well because we only release one bonus episode a month occasionally. Yeah Oh, yeah, we're not very good. We're not very good at the whole kids Very good at the thing, but at least we're not crypto fascists. That's our promise to you. Yeah, you get what you pay for Yeah, I'm one more thing before we get psycho commenters on Twitter and YouTube. I

Disagree with Matt Chris, and I don't hate the guy shut the fuck up Nice fucking weird you fucking weirdo lunatics. All right beat beat beat beat beat I don't fucking care. No, no, no podcast beef today Speaking of speaking of unresolved beef Salman Rushdie Salman Rushdie man They they got his ass like the end of a mob movie after 30 years in witness protection He lets his guard down for one split second to give a speech about extremism and a guy rushes the stage and stabs him in the fucking eye Horrible shit. All right, that's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. I wouldn't want

Updates on those conditions and Saturdays who you expected to live. I thought he's expected He's gonna live he's almost certainly gonna lose the eye and like probably like the use of one arm. It's really bad Okay, okay Now I should know this, but I don't hmm Salman Rushdie is a fiction author Yes For some reason yeah, so he wrote this book the satanic verses which is by the way, I haven't read it You sure it's fantastic. I I've read other stuff of his before and not enjoyed it and the Sort of like bits and pieces the quotes from the satanic verses that I've read. I I didn't care for it essentially

Like it's a very dense very literary book that in like it's very postmodern but in parts contains aspects of what I think strike me at least as like sort of gleeful provocation of Not just like Khomeini who is like it was his enemy number one was the guy who got him stabbed in in this instance but like Muslims in general on Islam and I you know I It's it's it's a complex topic right because everyone wants you as a Muslim to go

Okay, well you shouldn't stab a guy because you wrote a book making fun of you and yeah I will quite happily say that you should not stab a guy because he made a book making fun of you on The other hand you're not obliged to pretend that there is no insult there. I think it's the thing I think we got a we got a Charlie Hebdo type since you Almost Disproportionate response, what no certainly yeah in the same way that the Charlie Hebdo thing was and yeah, you can put it You can understand it as like Someone who conceives this as part of a long train of abuses and use of patience and all of this

Doesn't excuse anything But I think that's why you see this sort of insurgent terroristic like attempt on his life and You know now some of the worst people in the world some of the most cynical people in the world people who Who boosts his work not because they cared about it or him or certainly not freedom of speech But who absolutely did have an axe to grind with Islam

Are going to sort of you know, I have their own legacies tarnished. We're gonna use this for their own ends I I'm seeing people fucking really but let's say Christopher Hitchens again and that Mm-hmm Yeah, so I was 14 once Yeah, so what once again Terrorism kind of ruins it for everyone I guess you could say I Gotta say as some as a future hydrogen bomb owner don't do terrorism I was just keeping this at his base and as a deterrent, of course. Yeah. Yeah, you're taking a strong sort of libertarian stance

This is very much a mutually assured destruction situation. It is not I don't intend to use it It's like link to your heartbeat like like was that snow crash? That sounds good. I like that I'm gonna do that when I build my hydrogen bomb Yeah, it's not gonna like this episode Hey, this is this is a great way for all of us to meet some federal agents And yes, and and when I do I can shake the hands and go. Thank you for all you do. Do you have any patches? Or challenge goings. Oh, that's that's that's that's the long game that I'm playing here Note to FBI agents listening to this. I don't actually know how to build a hydrogen bomb

I Could barely refine some uranium hexaflora you just really fast dude I I think about this in the context of particularly kill James Bond We're at a point with an audience large enough Statistically, we've got to have at least one listener who works for the FBI and it's like listening to us Recreationally, I should yeah, I have posed this question a number of times to friends Which is how many people away are we from being able to get a Ukrainian loose nuke? Oh my god

Sentence you say is another black suburban parked outside your house Just imagine imagine this is a novel length Dossier the MI5 has on me and it's just none of it amounts to anything It's just oh, she she fucking says some shit on the internet, huh? But every time you open your mouth another fucking folio goes into that thing What we can do we're doing a jobs program for like domestic counter intelligence could probably build a nuke right like Do you think do you think a washing machine spins fast enough to enrich your radium? Do you think we can over the Israeli air force does a surgical strike on Justin's washing machine?

I'll just be the Israeli embassy or consulate in Philadelphia, and I'll just store my nukes in Ross's apartment, so I don't get yelled at Yeah, so Please please do not I Yeah, yeah, of course I do Luckily, I it's not gonna be the drop. This is just gonna be like flatly what happens to Justin Another message the FBI Actually gonna build a nuke in my basement

It's my landlord's basement Yeah, you have to get like written permission to to enrich uranium and yes, I you know, what's funny though, I Could probably get us Ukrainian loose nuke with enough badgering I really I don't want to look at Ukrainian loose no a Lucranian use I figured it would be like someone who was like one person removed from one of Alice's patch guys. Oh Yeah, that's true. If I bet my patch guy has like a nuclear weapons guy, but I don't ask because you know Yeah, exactly, that's the kind of unspoken rule of the patch guys Sergio. I love you I'm never gonna ask about the the nuclear weapons, you know that that makes sense

I mean the thing about owning a nuclear weapon is a lot like winning the lottery you sometimes have a lot more problems Then you thought it would Radiation poisoning rise You store that shit properly. You're fine Okay, so I I just want to point out that Roz the first time I built you a computer you dropped the CPU and bent the pins and you expected me you Expect me to trust you to handle like this. I don't dare y'all. It'll be fine We had to unbend it with a mechanical pencil. Oh

God I wonder how much of this I can leave in all of it about about two minutes Actually, it would be funny if you cut it and just like left it in but as one giant beep. Oh, that is funny Oh, there are people who would be mad at us about it, but yes Just instead of a beep do some like elevate some music I just want to point out that when you edit your patron from three dollars to two dollars. I can see you do that Yeah May or may not own a Ukrainian loose nuke

I Was able to liability except when we're doing it Intend a policy of nuclear ambiguity on this podcast We may or may not own We never assisted apartheid South Africa good for us exactly Well, we have a neutron bomb. We could get a new job. We got a Israeli neutron bomb I All right

Confirmed we have a South African ocean liner Ship whose primary purpose is to carry passengers across an ocean on a regular schedule Existed by the 1830s, but the first purpose built liner was probably SS Great Western Designed by the top hat guy god damn it Our boy isn't bar king to prove to them. It was a paddle steamer with sails. All right. Go. Okay. Yeah So ocean liners like what were they for they were for aligning the ocean They're for bringing they're for bringing immigrants to America Yes, and you take your guy out of Sicily and you put him on Atlas Island

And and then you know, yeah, he just does stuff happens. It's fine Yeah, the voyage across the Atlantic was pretty arduous for a long time It was it was just generally unpleasant. It still is if you're bad at flying to be fair, but this is true I I I don't like crossing the Atlantic. It's one of my least favorite things to do Yeah, yeah, you just don't mean it's just like yeah hours and like yeah Yeah, you can't look at the window if the movie is on a plane suck What else Hey one thing though if you if you if you queue up the little like map thing on a transatlantic flight

Sometimes it has the position of shipwrecks on there Including this one that I've genuinely seen in the course of looking for maps for this a thing that pinpoints its position on the like back Seat screen of a plane Neat So there weren't there weren't really any ocean liners until Like the 1830s 1840s when they start to emerge, right? You needed like two major developments three major developments. You need steam engines right

You need screw propellers and Then you need condensers The condenser is the big one here because it made the steam engine much easier to maintain because rather than Running seawater through it, which meant there was just salty scale all over everywhere You could just continue to recirculate the same fresh water through wait They didn't run they ran them on seawater for a while. Yeah, that's like that's like the first like first and 20 years

And there were not a lot that ran like that because it was it was just not very good It was why I assume it would destroy the propeller pretty quickly No, the propellers and saltwater all the time. Oh, no, what am I thinking of? It's the rest of the boiler. Yeah. Yeah, you know, you got a whole bunch of like nasty in there that you don't Like you got it You got to have a very sort of pressure resilient boiler and if you do if you're just corroding the shit out of that with salt Then right, right? That's not thick enough. Yeah, you're big. You're big your big like high-power Ocean liner style steam boiler is pretty temperamental about water quality. So you can't just run seawater in there unless there's like a serious

Problem, you know, you just ran out of water entirely and you got it You're gonna, you know, gun it. Yeah, you're sort of like war emergency power setting but for a steamship Also iron holes help to hold on you get to do this once kind of deal. Yeah By the 1840s, some of our you know familiar names start to form stuff like Unard lines or the peninsula and oriental steam Navigation company. That's P&O Yeah, one of my favorite entries and the do you know this long since atrophied acronym originally stood for along with the Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation or HSBC Yeah

You had the French line at this point, you know, but running ocean liners. It was not necessarily a super reliable business You know, it was not You you ran a regular schedule Yet posted departure times but not posted arrival times right cuz you get there when you get there you get there when you get there Yeah, and it takes what like two weeks one week I Want to say in the in the real early days is probably two weeks. I I am not I I have Honestly, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind is the thing if if ships if like

In particular of coal burning ships weren't so fucking dirty I would not mind spending no two weeks or a week on a ship to get to New York, you know It sounds like a nicer way. We're bringing back rigid airships. Yeah My main thing my main thing about traveling is two things Thing one. I don't want to die screaming or I do at all Thing two, I don't really want to go through a big transsexual detector that then goes off and makes a guy grope me planes Plains definitely have two and if not the statistical then the because I do a disaster podcast the emotional threat of one

I Would quite like to do neither of those and just be on the nice fucking promenade deck for a while well Yes, I mean it would be nice to be able to take an ocean liner, especially since you know, all the things you listed actually I have looked at rooms on that the Queen Mary too and it's only affordable Yeah, then they're not bad. The only downside is that you get put in sort of like what is a very very small essentially? windowless hotel room. Yes, I mean your other your other option is you know, you take You know, you just you just book a economy seat on United. They throw you in a triple seven, which is the perfect airplane

It's I The thing is right that they're doing this podcast has made me it's given me a fear of flying I've never I never had one, but do you fuckers have accidentally made me afraid to get onto an airplane? Yeah, no, it's Yeah, flying is terrible. It's like unpleasant. It's not unsafe. I mean the triple seven is There have been like it's had no accidents Stuff that was caused by like terrorism or MH370 which we still don't know what that was

Yeah, essentially Pilots are new sort of like vertical for the stuff pilot gets weird with it Which has a sort of a spectrum that starts with that and ends with Andreas Lubitz. Yes Anyway Your general trend for a while with ocean liners, which are not airplanes is you make them bigger you make them faster, right? Safety was kind of a secondary concern. It was kind of like well, you know, if she goes down she goes six at six Right, what you gonna do? And I was that was sort of a secondary concern until of course Titanic smash itself into an iceberg

Because they were speeding right But you know that this is After that, you know you start to have more concerns about safety, but it's still like okay Make it bigger make it faster make it bigger make it faster, right? And by the 1930s planes start becoming a serious threat But planes are still not a great way to cross the Atlantic at this point because of all the refueling Yeah, plus the capacity Yeah, you can fit like even a huge flying boat. You can fit what a couple of dozen people in record seats

That's because they gave them dignity back then Yeah, we can squeeze a lot more The other thing the other thing about taking a plane in a particularly over an ocean in the 30s or Or earlier is you would die This is not a Alice is afraid of flying kind of thing. This is a there is a decent chance You just disappear into a cloud bank and never see again. You're just eating it. You're going full-on flight 19 You're going upside down into the ocean. You're gonna get shot down by Amy McGrath So, yeah, we're making the ships bigger make them faster. Here's uh, this is an ocean liner from 1897

This is the SS Kaiser Wilhelm Del Grasse Right close enough. Yeah, it's German. I don't speak German But uh, it's it's it's it's German for King William the great Oh, is he? Yeah, apparently Yeah, it's funny how they won the Back to back world war champs, baby By the 1950s, we're we're at the peak of ocean liner design

um, this this is This is the top tier ocean liners, right? Plains were still not better than ocean liners at this point because you are still, you know, you have you have these like I don't know a lockheed constellation and it's like stopping over a refuel in like stopping gander. Yeah. Yeah We've been there gander. Yeah, I've been to gander gander We went to we went to uh, uh jungle gyms, bud. Yeah jungle gyms in gander. Shout out to jungle gyms in gander newfoundland Bad for all of these other places like, you know gander or keflavik or shannon

That really like they had the the the time is sort of Yeah, and now So, yeah, so you're you're you're air travel. It's expensive. It's still pretty slow Right, the planes are small You're stopping Many times to refuel and ocean liners are still competitive into like the late 50s, right? You have major technological advances That kept the ships competitive with airplanes, right? So this is

I would say this is the peak ocean liner right here. This is the ss united states Looks in great condition. All right. I mean It looks better here than it does right now Yeah, it looks it looks better. It looks better a float than it does sunk, which is what happened to its uh All its colleagues Yeah, that's true So, uh, this is the ss united states. It's uh moored right now near the south philly ikea Um, this was launched in 1952

Um, it had an aluminum superstructure for weight reduction um, it had steam turbines generating 240,000 horsepower Its cruising speed was 35 knots. That's about 40 miles an hour Oh, um, it had 10,000 miles of range This was a serious this was a serious ship. It's still it still holds the blue ribboned for um Well, it still holds the blue ribboned outright because the only ships that are made of across the atlantic quicker have only done it one way

Uh And this was running like regular passenger service. Yes Nice. Um, there's also a lot of aspects of this design that were classified, which is interesting They weren't they weren't declassified until like the 80s There's there's a lot of like shipbuilding expertise that would have gone into military applications that got into these like Because a surprising number of these were like european ships that they started building pretty soon after the end of the war Like the germans were in on this as we'll see the italians were in on this We have all of these shipyards that are meant to be cranking out destroyers and cruisers

Uh, that now kind of have nothing to do and like, okay, fuck it. We'll do we'll do like a liner then Yeah, and at this point ocean lining, you know, it's serious business, but these liners they're large. They're vast They're luxurious for some people um, and They're very safe. They're much safer than like your 1912 ocean liner, right? You know lessons that were learned from the mass casualty event, which has only ever happened I think once on the show in 150 episodes Yeah, they learned lessons and they generally speaking did not unlearn them. Um

Now we had to talk about one particular, uh ocean liner company Which was the italian line, right? um Italian line, of course went from italy to new york Um, and during world war two the italian line got hit pretty hard on account of they were the bad guys Normally I would be shot for being italian So their old flagship, which was the ss rex Which was a blue ribbon holder and I I don't explain this older

Uh, I don't think I explained this earlier, but the uh, the blue ribboned was uh, the award for the fastest transatlantic cross crossing We had to go both ways though um So this was this was a blue ribbon holder and it was blown up by the raf And it sucks suck. Yeah, and it rolled over in shallow water In a very embarrassing manner And then it got fired for four days like kind of flying around the mediterranean knocking over italian ships Yeah, this was this was uh, what wasn't a complete total loss. We'll get into that in the next slide

Most of the italian lines other ships were also blown up or sunk or otherwise rendered inoperable Which is a big problem if you want to run a regular schedule. You got to order some new ships, right? Uh, now you can note here. These are these are some I believe american b17s right here Um, that that's pretty interesting. They're trying to blow up the ship, but they didn't do it the raf did it later um So um Anyway, here it is rolled over and on fire Um, and they uh

Oh taking the l That's gone poorly. That's gone poorly. That's right. I thought it's supposed to look like that Probably probably shouldn't have been fascists, you know, probably been fascist. You could have avoided this entire Yeah, you still have your boat. I'm nuts. Yeah so um The italian lines first strategy here was they they wanted to They were going to try and refloat the boat and then salvage it, right? It's very it's very funny to me how like plausible that often is that a boat is just like it's a big fucking metal shell that like keeps

The water out and retains buoyancy and a lot of the time you like we this happened with a lot of battleships that we sunk For instance, if we're talking about italians where they sink in shallow water, you just fucking lift them back up again You did it after pearl harbour too. Yeah, just throw a throw a big pump in there. You're good. Yeah Real big real big though. So this was probably this was actually probably salvageable, right? But they they had parked it on a very tiny stretch of land which is the coastline of slovenia near town called coper, right? Coper Yeah, we're not it's down the coast from sieve. Yes

And the slovenians who were now yuga slobs, right? They were just like, ah, fuck you and a scrapped it Oh good. It was said to be the largest iron mine in slovenia for several decades I I have I have some information for you about the previous slide because I was curious about those b-17s This is this is not wartime. This is pre-war. This is an exercise that the u.s. Army Air court did with the ss rex to try and locate it at sea with bombers Uh, to see to see if they could like independently intercept a ship Uh, it's it's apparently I'm reading here a large part of the reason why the air force is a separate branch now Ah, interesting

I guess that would make sense why people are taking pictures Yeah Also, it's not catastrophically on fire yet. Yeah, largely fitted out in a passenger configuration as well There's a friendly encounter Supposed to the later unfriendly Which uh, if we'll go back, uh, uh, see the italians taking just this massive l Suck that shit umberto Yeah, so

See the italian line is without most of their ships. So they gotta start commissioning new ships. Uh, right Yeah, um, which leads us to the the the new modern, uh ocean liner of the 20th century The andria doria It's got nice curves. It's got nice lines for it. Yeah, it's a very good-looking ship Yeah, I like it. I like the front a lot in the back. It's just like i'm a boat Yeah The front looks all like kind of swept and beautiful. Is it like and the back is just like i'm a boat same Yeah, you can buy me a boat

That's a great fucking truck You can buy me a getty 110 us down with some silver bullets buy me a boat christians Yeah, we're gonna get a copyright strike Thank you for the compliment So Andria doria was this admiral from genoa back in the 16th century in a whole bunch of gyms That's where the name jeans comes from. They weren't invented in genoa. I know shut up. You said that in the last episode I know

So far it's not even italian month. It's genoese month genoese month. Yes So lots of italian boats have been named after andria doria. I don't know very much about them. I was gonna research that ship to uh Which I think we might have sunk in fact, uh, that sounds about right We the three of us not the r.i.f. Yeah. Yeah, just the three of us hydrogen bomb Um So, um, the italian line they needed a new flagship for the exciting new world of 1950s and they try to do everything Right, they contract Giovanni and saldo and company of genoa

Uh to build a thing right? No, this is like a matter of national prestige. Yes um, and and saldo and saldo is um They mostly did trains but at this point they had a shipyard um so Okay, this is this is a modern ship. It had a double hull It had enough lifeboats for everyone and 11 watertight compartments. It was thoroughly modern, right? The interior was designed by Uh an architect named julio minnelletti

Also did uh, also did a famous italian train called the etr 300 setabello Uh, which i'll show a picture of later, but he's this sort of high modernist guy. He's uh, he is one of the um, it's in that era where modernism is Developing rapidly. It's it's all it's it's sort of uh, this is the era of the high modernists, right? Nice. Um, we'll show some pictures in a second. Um, so 218 first class uh passengers 320 in cabin class, which is I guess second class 703 passengers in torus class. They could hold a total of 1241 passengers is uh For all the modernists to kutram all there was a very

Traditional design all of the classes were completely segregated from each other, right? You know that meant it had three of everything and three lounges three dining rooms three outdoor swimming pools Which was a first Um, no That's the thing you remember is the robot bartender. It's got it's got like a old italian robot bartender It's like run son. It's it it breaks down on the first day And then they spend the rest of the voyage fixing it and it it works for like 30 minutes like right before you pull into new york harbor Pause you a single glass of luxardo and then explodes

Um Yeah, so I got some I got some illustri- contemporary illustrations at the time. I mean, this is an Oh, that's elegant. Yeah, it's really nice Do you want to give you one? Yes The the the greatest modern, uh, fucking fast ship of italy Interesting look how fast it is. Yeah, you can you really got a sensation of speed This is the first class uh foyer. I think this is access to much of the first class areas

Maybe there's an elevator here. I really weren't kidding about that modernism. The little of the lights and even just sort of like the chairs Yeah, that's this is this is very heavily designed ship it Nothing nothing has just been thrown on here. It's been like thoughts about it's italy Yeah Here's here's the first class swimming pool uh You see there's some fucking return ass colorization though. I know right here's uh, this is a first class cabin here

you see have a They've tried to conceal bold fashion porthole behind this Wood panel that you can slide back and forth I kind of like that actually if you if you don't want to be on the ship You just close the thing and pretend you're not, you know If you have ever been on a if you ever been on a ship that's even Slightly contemporary to this This is much nicer than than what you get

Um, it's it's really nice. Yeah, I was I was once on a I was on a ship for the uh The herder gordon line Excuse me Um, there was the ss. I think we I think we may have lost liam. I'm not hearing liam food. You did not you did not lose liam Liam is eating and muted himself to not be perfect. Perfect. No worries. Yeah. I see I I ate a burger and a sausage And uh, let me walk you through it. I have a pretzel bun um

Got a nice, uh Chuck patty got some, uh, america cheese Some nice pickles mayonnaise ketchup and I had a hot italian sausage on a hotdog bun With some nice spicy mustard. Uh, but yeah, I'm going to go back to finishing this bitch and you two talk about yourselves I'm probably going to do like lamb burgers later. Well, I say I I'm I'm not cooking shit. That was like that's a A sunray miner thing, you know, uh I was once on a norwegian ship the ms. Njord Stearnen Um, yeah, you're on the norwegian and with the hirken birken line

Yes, which is about about uh, about 10 years newer than this one and uh, let me tell you those cabins Uh spartan Not uh, not uh That's just Nordic restraint and design, you know, this is true. Well, we'll get to that later in this episode This is sort of like a meridian italian excess, right? Yes, they made it two nights Yeah, they're hubris Here's the first class uh lounge and bar

Oh, yeah, that's really nice. That's some madman shit right there That's that's i'm gonna have a fucking secret meeting about some Stay behind networks and this thing. Look at the espresso machine, too Oh my god, I I didn't espresso machines were like brand new to like just invented Probably didn't pull very good shots. Uh, no atrocious. Yeah James Hoffman is on the andrea doria. He's doing the law like coffee sips and he's like very dissatisfied All right, give me a hand pull machine, please The the original espresso machine it's just the the robot bartender hastily bandaged up using like a cafeteria

Yes Uh, this is uh, this is another first class. This is the first class lounge as a whole See again, this looks so good. This is uh 100% like because this is Just Barely post fascist aesthetics, right? This is all of the same guys who had come through the war designing fucking Mussolini's E you are and shit and now

They they finally get to like put more than one curve and stuff And they've just kind of gone overboard with it so to speak I will say there it does feel like there's a strong disconnect between Like italian futurism and italian modern aesthetics Um, you know, there was there something something snapped Uh, it it got very different very quickly Um, the the futurist cruise ship is a very different vibe. That's Yeah, you know the the espresso machine pulls you a shot full of nails

Actually the robot bartender is kind of more of a futurist invention, I would say this is true. This is true Especially if it murders you For for for for more discussion about futurism, uh, listen to our bonus episode about nazi super rapids Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Do yes, uh I shit fascism. It's it's a sort of dialectic between revolutionary futurism on the one hand and uh, sort of sentimentality and kitsch on the other Oh, I mentioned, uh, julio minnelletti was the the architect Nazi futures nazis can suck shit

Man he's a catch-up on my on my uh in my beard Yeah, you you you were about to like shit that oh that burger back out on maronetti's grave. I feel Mm-hmm. Now listen when the robot bartender finds out you are a partisan in the 40s things are not gonna go well for you Yeah, it's just just sort of like throwing my drink over the robot bartender and as it's dying it just starts singing jovenet, sir So, uh, we mentioned architect julio minnelletti. I said, uh, I mentioned the set of bellow. I gotta bring a train in here Um, this was another one he he designed Oh, that's really nice. They just restored one of these Um, you can go to italy and take a ride on it. You can sit

in the the cabin in the front with the italian restaurant drapes Uh, oh Yeah see, see That's fantastic. Even if I do It's like think that it accidentally provides an example of what I was talking about in that

Having italian restaurant curtains at like 100 miles an hour is in itself Like the marriage of futurism and and and kitch. I love this thing. It looks like fucking It looks like thunderbird too Honestly, they were good for like 120 or 130. They were they were designed for the direct isimo Uh, which was the line from i'll say fantastic words laurence I'm not sure italian laurence. I that the direct isimo was a sort of a prototype for high speed rail In europe, um, I think it was I I I think now that isaly is perhaps the most country in europe

Like I got good words for everything. Oh, yeah, no 100 um So, yeah, uh, go to italy and ride the set of bellow et r 300 Um, because you can Um, anyway back to the boat Yeah, go go to go to italy ride the set of bellow and the proceeds of you doing so go to ensuring that the only commercial you hear on this podcast is this one Yeah Um, so andrea doria had a big problem. All right

Despite all this fantastic design Yeah, I had a problem despite the fact that it was built by italians. It was built by italians unfortunately built by italians So it's like that joke about you know in in in heaven the you know, the waiters are french or whatever this thing Has advantages and disadvantages advantages designed by italians disadvantages built by italians. Yes So It had some seaworthiness issues, right?

um I want to say it was a little bit top heavy, right and it had a tendency to list a lot Anything that hit the ship on the side like a big wave Would cause it to you know, just rock back and forth pretty wildly Uh, it was accentuated when the ship was low on fuel Such as maybe At the end of a trip. Yeah, because it has the fuel tanks lined down either side

Yes, and on our maiden voyage from genoa to new york She hit bad weather just out of new york harbour Listed a full 28 degrees Here is the angle up here That's 28 degrees So Your modern cruise ship is not supposed to list more than like Three or four degrees, right? Otherwise everyone shits themselves. It's uh, it

It's definitely not something that would be within a modern design Onto them, right? Um, and this even back then It was designed to be able to withstand a list of 20 degrees After which If the ship were compromised somehow The water would overflow the top of the watertight compartments And start flooding the other watertight compartments, right? Oh, no You know as long as the ship wasn't compromised. Okay, it'll hit 28 degrees. Everyone's going to be unhappy

Some furniture is going to move around You know, maybe someone falls off, but whatever the ship is still seaworthy, right? But if it were compromised in some way and it listed that far you got a real big problem Noted. Yes So now we're going to talk about a second ship. We gotta talk about a second ship. That's at the ship Yeah, a second ship So ms. Stockholm Now ms is in contrast. That's not beautiful at all. Oh the ship of my people

Floating Ikea looking ass The ship of my people This ms is in contrast to ss uh ss's steamship uh ms's Motor ship right And ms Stockholm was kind of ill fated from the beginning, right? So In 1936 the swedish-american line

Please no Also known as Yes that I gotta I gotta I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to take a run out take a run out We need to get me a molder back to pronounce Do you think we can ask her to record like a quick audio file of her saying it? Yep Sure, let's go with that. Let's go with that

You can suck that shit grandpapa Olaf grandpapa Olaf So I had a few old ships and I wanted some new ones for the burgeoning transatlantic trade Uh in in the 30s which confused me because I thought that was the depression. Anyway Well, because sweet swedens like by the end of the 30s swedens staying neutral in the war. So That'll do it. Yeah Hi, it's justin So this is a commercial for the podcast that you're already listening to

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Doing great bud. I don't I don't know how to pronounce any of these things and I'm not gonna learn So they want a new ship called the ms Stockholm 2 because there was already a stock home, but it was kind of I just invented a stock home 2 Yes, so new stock home just drops New stock home just dropped. It was it was I sit here in the notes. It was not large. It was actually pretty large ship I I I didn't update Anyway, so it's pretty is a good size ship

It was very modern had diesel engines that art deco styling had latest safety accoutrements 638 feet long 80 foot 83 foot beam beam is the width 38 feet of grot, right? Anyway, so the shipyard finished it and they launched it in 1938 and it immediately caught fire The ship of my people And that was a total loss

I just heard of the existence of like viking funeral ships and I was like, I'm gonna do that to me Yes I was around this time that they uh, they started painting their ships all white and they were Informally referred to as the white Viking fleet Including the ships self-immolating Uh So undeterred swedish-american lines ordered a new ship to basically the same design. That was ms stock home 3 ms stock home final underscore final

Most like salt and pepper 3 don't ask what happened to 1 and 2 So ms stock home 3 was completed in 1941, but the problem was there was a war happening, right? So rather than deliver the ship to uh, swedish-american lines The italians decided to use it as a trip ship the ms Sabuadia Sabadia, I don't know anyway, so and uh

She was blown up and then sunk by the raf in 1944. How yes, get it So this left the problem with for swedish-american lines, right? They needed a new ship Air travel was proving more popular And they were like, I don't know if this passenger stuff is going to work out for us guys Uh, so they decided it's this or like interchangeable furniture. Yes, exactly. So uh five dollar editables, baby ms stock home 4 Final underscore final underscore final Was laid down in april 1945 at guttavercan shipyard in

Gothenburg, right? Gothenburg Jesus I don't I don't I'm not swedish Gothenburg Stop it. It's 525 foot length 69 foot beam 25 Weak sauce Yeah, so uh had two giant eight-cylinder diesel engines that made 12 000 horsepower bruised at 17 knots

Weak shit it's like 20 miles an hour It was simultaneously the smallest liner on the transatlantic route and the largest ship ever built in sweden And this after they've lost like a hundred something feet off of the uh the the lengths Yes, um Yeah, but they built it in-house and this one didn't have problems This is the problem. You gotta stop getting italians to build your ships. Mm-hmm. So, uh All right, it's gonna take its revenge honestly for its fallen brothers. Yes Here's uh, here's the first-class lounge. This is from uh s smaritime.com from by a man named

Ruben Goosens Nice, I I don't like this as much this looks boring. It's like a player Definitely a four-star hotel that's kind of aged Uh, the bar seems to be more fully stocked though That is true. It's actually the this is the tourist class smoking room Um, they had an indoor pool which is very tiny You fool she can't let water in here. This is a boat. It's supposed to be outside This reminds me of that. Oh, it was the like the really really big soviet submarine that had an indoor pool

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of the like a coolers. I think yeah. Yeah, it's like it's about that size You can like you can get wet you can't swim sure Yeah, a little dip go for a little dip the problem with the stock home was that the transatlantic passenger trade did not fade as quickly as they expected um It was refit in 1953 to carry 548 people Um, they're like we gotta keep doing this shit I just want to build furniture

They refit they refit the ship in 1953 to add more passenger cabins 1955 it had the agnomious honor of deporting the last immigrant from ellis island huh Because ellis island after 1921 was used as a detention center for illegal immigrants Uh, when the emergency quota act essentially made immigration illegal Yeah, it was a bit more scared. There were like too many italians. There's too many italians in poles

It's like the food's getting too good around here Too much kielbasa damn it Oh So that's Showed it all down. We're getting we're getting like pierogis and shit. We got we got to make the food worse Yeah, we have to preserve our culture by getting the food bad You can't have good food

Anyway, that uh, it deported the last immigrant from ellis island who was arne petterson Maybe just arne. I'm not sure. He was uh on the pittison. Yes. He um overstayed his visa He was a crewman on a swedish cargo freighter. Um, oh come on. Yeah They deported him back to gothenberg on this ship. Yeah, um But yeah, say else, uh, swedish american lines designed to build a smaller liner liner was not a good one They ordered Two new and larger liners in the late 50. Those were ms grip's home and ms

kung's home Which doesn't I just fill you the spirit of adventure. Yes, which were notably both built by ansaldo and genoa right They ordered those in the late 50s Right and they consigned stock home to sort of marginal routes and for cruises, right? But that was That was after the incident and this is going to become relevant. I know the incidents. Oh boy Stock home the ms stock home had a reputation for you know, it was it was a rough riding ship in bad weather

But it was very seaworthy Uh and owing to her home per home port being in gothenberg She had a reinforced ice breaking prow, right? Yeah, just in case you run into any ice Exactly Uh, no titanic shit gonna happen on my watch. No, no titanic shit happening to ms stock home um Meanwhile

We have this we have the andrea dory, right? She's on her 51st crossing um Yeah, I tried to find a good map of this route could not uh, it's it's just a straight line more or less Right started in can with the napels Uh, then Gibraltar and and and then to new york Which is way over there if you imagine there's a map of europe here, right? Yeah And and we have our captain

Piero calomai who in the notes everywhere So from where I have written it it says captain calamari. Yes. Yeah, which we will be referring to him It was just easier to write it that way So captain calamari. He's uh, he's 59 years old He's of from a naval family the long long experience in in the merchant marine. He served on 27 different ships before he gets this job He's been a naval veteran in like both world wars um

And he's kind of sort of like the italian merchant marines golden boy a little bit like after this crossing He's going to take a vacation and then he's going to take command of christopher colombo So christ the foro colombo, which is the flagship of the italian merchant marine Uh, sort of like a sister ship to this. Yeah, he's he's uh, he's good at his job Yeah, it's a safe pair of hands Although we're going to find out a decorated veteran of world war two for the bad guys is nice. Yes. Yeah, absolutely Well, what you what you gonna do? Yeah, well, he managed to get through both of them without getting killed by the raf. So

Yeah, that's true. He was the only one. I suppose. Yeah. Yeah So, uh, we got to talk a little bit about, um, the transatlantic, uh, sea lions Especially heading into new york at this point, right? Um, because You know, you want to take the shortest route possible, right? That means you take a sort of as close as possible to a great circle route But you have to avoid sort of, uh navigational hazard, right

A big big one is the nantucket shoals I see the big markers on the map that say not for navigation and area to be avoided area to be avoided. Yeah Yeah, go patriots, baby Go past six Super Bowls, baby Yes, the thing thing is if you if you go to avoid it because they will try and deflate your boat Yeah, so every listen every NFL quarterback did that that is hardly Tom Brady Acting alone That's bullshit and we all know it. Okay

The the the NFL and Roger Goodell specifically went after deflate gate and quotes Or ball gazi if you prefer because of For which the rest of the NFL believed that he had not been nearly punished enough. No, sorry. Sorry Oh Yeah, oh gazi All torture from wikipedia. No, not the whole thing again. Okay. This area was particularly hazardous to airships Good Why is it kept aflating?

Giant Tom Brady emerges from the sea I have to grip it better The kraken rises Water prevents migraines All right, I'll go for blood That's that's some of my like you can't be an NFL quarterback without believing at least one Like saying weird shit like one insane theory. That's one of my favorite ones going He he believes so much insane shit that he became the greatest quarterback in NFL history

Never count our touchdown Tom. Yes so Because everyone wants to take this great circle route Which has the least distance and it's therefore faster and uses less fuel They want to get as close to the nantucket shoals as possible But you can't touch them because then you run aground right And rich people spit on your tail. This is true. Well, there's rich people on the boats too. Um

Yeah, it's just spit going back and forth. Yeah, exactly and nantucket shoals they extend like, uh I've wrote it down here I didn't write it down here. They're like 40 miles south of nantucket and then like an Yeah, so they go on for a while and and this is like shallows and sandbanks, right? Yeah Yeah, the uh, the ocean area is as little as three feet deep. Yeah, right. Um What are the things worth noting too is that uh, bill russell was the greatest, uh person to ever put on an uh, an NBA jersey This is

First first nav is jersey retired. Fuck the Lakers So your your your general rule for navigation here is you want to don't All cats don't you want to pass south and east of something called the nantucket light ship? Oh, I love a light ship. Yeah, that's pictured here. Um So You know, you you want to come as close as possible to it, but you don't you don't want to go you don't want to go north of it Don't do that. You're gonna have problems Right, um, but of course everyone wanted to get it wanted to get as close as possible to us. It was traditionally

Kind of a hazardous job To man the nantucket light light ship. Yeah, because rms olympic is gonna eat your lunch and kill you Yes, uh 1934 rms olympic just ran straight into it I was just talking about Like canopy on pt 109 this thing just comes out of the middle of the night just Yes, I listen they hate tom brady and they hate success and they're just jealous I say as I as I've cleaved in two It wasn't it wasn't even damaged olympic wasn't even damaged

To the big bow Lv one one one seven was uh, it's sank in like five minutes Brusel I think uh, hey like five guys out of the 11 survived though. So then you know, it's I'm supposed to hear them. I'm supposed olympic didn't hear them given that they're all talking about patriots football. Yeah Matt Jones is the real deal is what I'm saying at that exact volume It's a good quarterback

On the bridge, there's like you hear something about tom brady so Of course the uh the crews and officers of the andrea doria and the stock home knew about this light ship Right. Yeah, they're not going north of this. No one's running the ground today, but they do want to get as close as possible to it um uh In this case I think I put this later in the notes, but I'm going to say it now

the stock home Was coming up sort of this way in relation to this map which doesn't extend that far Andrea doria is coming up somewhat this way, right? The stock home is supposed to be about 20 miles south to here um, that's the generally agreed upon and established shipping line um, but no one followed that rule Uh, they got as close as they could and just you know went went past each other. It's like I will usually Usually we have separation of about a mile, right?

um so um All right already started explaining the problem before I mentioned the date which is 25th of july 1956 So I as I mentioned the andrea doria is nearing port Uh, they only got about 12 hours of steaming to go And the stock home had just left new york Just before noon that day

just about 12 hours out of port right and they're both in the narrow shipping lane below the nantucket light ship right Yeah, I tried finding a map of these uh, like agreed shipping tracks, but you google north atlantic track agreement or you go to the air ones Oh my god No one cares about boats anymore. History just obliterated by uh by air travel now. Mm-hmm um A fog rolled in

It was night No one could see anything But that didn't matter both the andrea doria and the stock home had a radar And the andrea 1950s baby the finest technology designed for like obliterating a medium-sized german city. Yes Uh Dressed and had a coming. Oh, yeah, I'm not arguing with you Or do you get mad at me shut up? Because the episode where the most people are gonna get mad at them. That's true. I'm not really

Chiefly the fbi, but yes For my hydrogen bomb which I have I've built it during the course of this episode. Oh god. Yeah, you've just been doing that the whole time He's just been talking about uh fucking uh tracks and Listen, listen, if you just hear a shotgun being racked and then your door just explodes. That's uh, I keep podcasting, you know All right, you know I've been killed by your drop. Anyway, so both the andrea doria and the stock home had a radar The andrea doria

Captain calamari had slowed down the 22 knots from the usual speed of 23 knots It's like easing off only acceleration a little bit. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't go so fast guys And uh our radar systems they're very much in the early days, right Some captains and mates and so on and so forth. They're very much in the uh You know, they they view this technology in the the sort of way that uh

How do I open pdf? Right radars radar's not at all intuitive as the other thing like in particular radar direction finding you can get like Understanding how to plot like courses off of echoes on radar. It's like really fucking difficult. Um That's why you have to train people to use it And The stock home was being piloted by the third mate Johan Ernst Carstens Johansson

A man who loved hyphen Yes, like first name Johans Ernst second name Carstens Johansson Um, he might know He might have just been from wisconsin that name Yeah This this is this is his first time standing watch alone on the bridge He's also been up since uh, oh 600 this morning. Yes Um, and as I mentioned before a stock home was about 20 miles north of where it should have been

To save time on the crossing Uh, and this was illegal But also very tolerated and expect Um, this is this is like a don't get caught doing it sort of deal. Yeah, don't get caught Um And and and and so what happened here was actually never fully determined, but several factors were in play, right? Um The Andrea Doria as we mentioned not very seaworthy when it was low on fuel it tended to list a lot, right?

Uh, but also if you pump in more, you know, what are you supposed to do? As the fuel ran out you pumped seawater into the fuel tanks um to Continue to ballast the ship, right? But that made refueling more expensive so The informal procedure was I just don't do that right sure Makes the ship more unstable, but it's fine. It's probably fine

What's gonna happen? Going to eat it. Yeah, but it's probably should have been traveling more slowly owing to the fog Um, the Stockholm's captain should have been on deck owing to the fog But there are disputes over the extent of the fog that night Uh, Carstens Johansson maintained that it was a pretty clear night Well, uh captain calamari said it was a pretty thick fog right I I am pretty certain that Carstens Johansson is lying here. I did see some evidence to the extent, uh, like

that some of the the the charts Uh, the the Stockholm was using had been falsified after the fact to change the position That sounds about right to me. That's terrific And I don't do that I'm on the Andrea Doria side. Um, I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say that now. I I think captain calamari was It's Italian right, you know, we have to be About this so to speak So as these two ships are approaching each other right Carstens Johansson followed orders from his captain

Not to pass within one mile of any ship Right and he saw the Andrea Doria on the radar and he turned to port which is not standard procedure And calamari turned starboard as was the standard procedure And neither of the two are talking to each other on the radio Great I I have a little a little plot here of the courses. Uh, this is from an analysis from a guy called Carl Nordling Uh, who suggests that Carstens Johansson. He's expecting to to see ships on essentially the wrong side because of the light ship

Uh, right and like essentially what he does is he like in a more mathematical sense He looks at his radar and he mixes up his left and his right Um Who's amongst us? Yeah, he he adds when he should be subtracting or something like that And so he turns into the path of the Andrea Doria At this point and this is why we kind of why I suspect there is quite heavy fog They see each other at the last second

Stockholm tries to stop Andrea Doria tries to Outrun the collision. So, you know, you go flank speed or whatever and you just try and like get out of the way of it and uh, this does not work I think I think one thing to note here is that Stockholm is both much slower and much smaller than the Andrea Doria Yes, yeah, it's kind of like throwing yourself in the way of this thing Mm-hmm Here we go. Yes. So they wreck into each other

Yes boat Fall down Mr. Bond So remember the ice breaking prowl that we talked about? Yes That just runs straight into as you can see here a b c foyer and upper deck. So five passenger decks Um, and it just it's like a knife through butter. Uh, yes

All of the casualties of people getting crushed in their cabins the cabins just don't exist anymore and it's Sort of more or less at random based on sort of the relative position Apparently is oh Jesus this this guy's wife That's getting turned into a chunky marinara Yeah, yeah, yeah, he this is a guy a kind of carlin. I think his name is he steps into the bathroom to brush his teeth Uh, the Stockholm rams into the Andrea Doria mulches his wife who is in bed and he's just fine Oh, thanks. Yeah, she just doesn't have a scratch on him Um

One woman that gets like crushed between two sets of walls and takes a while to die By and large people just don't know anything about it. They're asleep There's one uh, there's one I want to say a 14 year old girl who uh Wines up the the bottom half of her cabin gets crushed and she winds up just falling onto the deck of the Stockholm Yeah, yeah, and like This hits into the right and it was okay, right? Oh, she she she had a broken arm, but her sister who was sharing the other half of the cabin was uh Turned into uh pasta sauce. Yeah

This also this also hits a lot of the cheaper cabins and in tourist class. Um, which are very You have lots of like immigrant families who are packed closer together and just get obliterated I think there's one cabin that has like 11 people and a priest in it and there's just Just gone. Um This this kills something like 43 people outright just absolutely obliterated Yeah, no in in sort of in structural terms what you've actually done to the Andrea Doria here You've only punctured one watertight compartment has 11 um

But what you've also done is you've punctured that whole line of empty fuel tanks Which now flood very very quickly um And the list happens Uh, the list that we all know and love Which does exactly what it's what it's not supposed to do It drags the uh the ship over to the point where the tops of the watertight compartments are under the water line And the ship like floods end to end

um There's also no watertight door separating the generator room from the rest of the deck so the electricity goes out pretty quickly Yeah, um So what what what do you do about this? Um And the answer is well panic is one thing, but also you want to flood the um The fuel tanks on the opposite side to try and like ballast them so it like balances out a bit more But it's it's happened so quickly that already that side is so far out of the water that the intakes for those tanks are just like

Hanging out in the air, uh, and at that point the ship's doomed like irrevocably. It's it's gonna sink You got an issue here, which is very hard to resolve Yes, yes Uh, and we can see how the stock home came out of it Looks jacked up. It looks really bad. It looks a lot worse than the Andrea Doria did after the impact honestly Yeah, but but it's fine. Um It it it's like one compartment floods It comes down by the bow a few inches, but they're able to like compensate and ballast for that

But it's it's fine. It's it's seaworthy naval ramming is still a viable tactic. Who knew yeah, you can just you can just you can just hit stuff I mean, I think it killed like four crew people on the Stockholm though Yeah, if you don't really have like cabins up front like that, so I have no face that I must float Yes, yeah Incidentally the stock home and the Andrea Doria only find out who each other are when they hear each other's distress calls help Hey asshole, where's the other 30% of my boat? Yeah, yeah, all of the italian guys are like getting out in a little boat and waving their arms around very very mad

What if I My brother danio, he's been turned into spaghetti I'm gonna cancel normally normally I would be crushed for being italian What if a swede rammed an italian man? We should take you to a club in in Stockholm. You can see it for yourself. Yeah. Yeah videos about that Next here we go. Yes. Okay. So They know they have to abandon ship But the captain doesn't want to go abandon ship and have everyone panic and you know run around

Breaking each other's legs tripping over shit So he has everyone muster and they try to figure out how the fuck we're gonna get this evacuation done When we've only got half the lifeboats because the other half are stuck in the air at the top of a sort of 20 degree angle of steel Yes, you can't like drop them down that I hate to interrupt, but I have one more joke about a sweet ramming an italian Which is oh, you're stimulating my shingan area. Okay, continue Yeah, my eurozone. Uh, so my god The initial plan is you take those those lifeboats on the starboard side the ones to lower down

And you lower them to the promenade deck break all the windows and everyone can just like step in This doesn't work Oh In fact, what they end up doing is lowering the the lifeboats all the way into the water And then trying to lower the passengers down into them using ropes and ladders. Oh, don't like that. Don't don't Don't Uh, this this kills. Yeah, yeah, and still foggy as shit. This also kills three more people Uh, a woman has a heart attack a kid gets dropped headfirst into a lifeboat. Jesus

Uh, and a woman falls into one and breaks her spine Uh, thus thus arriving at our final death toll of 46 um Even even in this sort of initial evacuation, they only get like 200 people off and most of them as a crew Another aspect of this thinking is it takes a very long time. I mean much longer even than the titanic Which took a very long time Longer longer than you'd imagine the sort of like design spec would allow for considering us. Um Uh, so andre adora is is calling anyone they can find for more lifeboats and this is the successful bit of the evacuation. Um

Not at first like the stock home is still too worried about sinking themselves to send help Uh, a freighter turns up, but they only have two lifeboats. No one could see anything Um, but unlike the titanic like a lot of ships come to come to the site of the collision very quickly Yes, um The the biggest determinant is ill de france, which is a big honking french liner Uh has just left new york for love somehow miraculously survive the war Yeah And and when they hear the first distress call the captain doesn't really want to go because

In a sort of echo of the titanic, he doesn't think a modern ship can just sink like that And if they do go and it's nothing and the italians are just being hysterical They have to go back to new york refuel again and start over again and everyone's going to be mad at them Uh But they hear the other distress calls eventually already fine. Yeah, uh fine fine Go to the fucking thing job. Just as the fog clears and say, oh, we be we Apparently this is like a huge heroic moment for the like survivors is you know

The fog clears and you see this huge friendship with all the lights on uh covered in lifeboats and you're just like, oh, okay I'm not gonna die And they take off the other seven hundred so passengers One thing I one thing I like about this is I I've mentioned this before so we talked about how captain calamari was a veteran of of of both world wars on the italian side um During the second world war the italian navy supreme command had to issue an order to to its captain saying You don't

Have to go down with a ship. Yes. I know if if your ship gets sunk You don't have to go down with the ship and and everyone else makes it off You can just step off of the thing and get rescued. We need you alive more I love the idea of like a captain like having seen the last of his passengers There's crew off, you know the bow is uh Is is descending into the sea and he's just up there both middle fingers raised. Yes Yeah, like but it's it's also like 15 feet of water. So it's like a little less dramatic than it should be Just

Yeah This is the thing. This is the thing italian italian captains at the war Widely refused that order. They just ignored it. They just like went down with their ships anyway Oh, what are they gonna do kill me? Yeah And and calamari is well calamai. I'll I'll I'll say his name right for this last bit So cal calamari is like he's off that mold and He doesn't want to get off the ship. They eventually make him when it's clear. It's unsalvageable. It's it's it's like

I want to say he was dragged bodily off. Yes. Yeah, that's that's a good captain. I mean, obviously He fought for the bad guys For which we don't applaud but we do applaud a guy who's just like trying to fight his way to his own death Yes, yeah, I will say there was there was also an extent to which There was a period of time where it would have been realistic to drag the ship onto the nantucket shoals Oh, sure. Yeah, and it from sinking but you would have to get a tugboat. They're real fucking quick This this this ruins the sea for calamari by the way In in sort of an echo of the titanic, you know get them into the boats thing his last words when he dies

16 years later Are all the passengers safe? Like it's still in his head Uh, it just like it ends his career more or less Uh, and it just sort of like destroys something that had been the focus of his entire life That's a shame Yeah, on the other hand he was a nazi for a while or perhaps not a nazi but a fascist at least He is reformed fascist though. Probably not reformed, but like he wasn't actively doing Fashism he was just

I can't know that. That's a good point. I will take him up and years of lead him You're gonna you're gonna do a cadaver cyanide. Yeah on captain. Yeah. Yeah captain calamari We're gonna get real real I was gonna we're just gonna get a flood of those. Why don't you respect the dead covens? Well, they're dead. What are they gonna do fight back? No, you shouldn't have been a piece of shit while you're alive It's not good because some of the people who survived the sacks and are still alive Yeah, well, someone got mad at us like a couple weeks ago for the texas city explosion I was just like if you if you survived this sinking get mad at us in the comments

Yeah, honestly You are an andreodoria survivor. Yeah, you're mad at us That's fine. I respect that. We'll take that. Yeah All right, so it eventually it tips over uh It tips over it took it takes a good 12 hours To actually go down and almost everyone other than the three people who were killed during the evacuation um Everyone who was not killed in the initial impact made it off the ship

Yeah, it's a good it's a good evacuation apart from the initial part. It's actually I I think it shows how much safer Ocean liners were by the 1950s You know, and it's by having that like systematization of distress calls and coming to aid of ships in distress Yes, and and like, you know, it's I don't I feel like in a way this is sort of uh You know, we talk about engineering disasters but I I feel like the the andreodoria sinking is A testament to like how much better safety procedures got that you could get

1200 Well, just under 1200 people off a ship Um, yeah, right and and getting almost everyone split like a piece of lumber Is not something you're normally planning for getting split in half by a boat. That's yeah 130 Yeah, and you keep everybody out of the water you everyone has life boats. It's it's it's good. It's well done Also, the photographer who took this picture Uh

Like got the pull at surprise for him because he took it from a plane. I think not even a helicopter a small plane Is by just first and only ocean liner sinking That was on television Um, I mean this Shocked the world like oh my god. This is the reality of an ocean liner sinking Yeah, everyone's like we're gonna start flying now, which is at this point way more dangerous That's probably yeah bad dad. That was bad for the earth

Uh personally more safe more safe. Maybe but generally bad We fucked up Yes, yeah, I I have one little detail here that I added which is another victim Of the of the andreodoria. It also killed a car ironic Yes, so so andreodoria had a 50 car garage on board Including this one-of-a-kind prototype the chrysler norseman

Murdered by the ms. Stockholm. I know the Norse. They love killing each other Um, if you if you look at the windows, they don't have pillars they have a or b pillars It just has this like long cantilevered roof Um, it's like it's this incredible design Um, and it was it was never never pursued after this. They never chrysler never tried anything like this It was be it was built by uh gia in italy They sent it on to to chrysler on the andreodoria and it went down with it And uh now it is like four wheels at the bottom of the ocean everything else is like just evaporated more or less

Certain kinds of steel don't hold up the salt water and this is one of them Yeah shame Meanwhile the stock home From scene of the crime. Yeah, it looks it looks hungry now. It looks like This is but a flesh wound So as you can see it's not being towed. It's it's it makes new york under its own power There's the power diesel engines right there. Yeah

Carrying a load of survivors as ill differences you get an absolute media circus in new york city You get photographers harassing families waiting for news of their loved ones You get like photo ops of department stores donating clothing to people who don't need it Most notably have the actress ruth norman Who had played a woman in a movie waiting for news of her kid who's in a plane crash? And her a real actual kid was on the fucking andreodoria So, uh, you had photographers fighting each other trying to get photos of her while she like does the thing from the movie Her real kid did survive I believe

But it's it's a fully a circus yeah, it's it's testament to the Shipbuilders at Gothenburg Yeah We built a raiding ship again by accident by accident. Yeah After this is like the process of determining fault, which was very bad

um so Who caused this accident in order to Determine the legal process for who caused this accident. We need to recall something we mentioned earlier in the episode Swedish American lines Was in a little bit of a pickle Right Because they had just ordered two brand new ships just ordered and took delivery of two brand new ships in fact

from and saldo in genoa right the ms grips home pictured here and the ms kung's home, right which was

They were they were both built by unsaldo same builder the andreodoria And so they were what are you going to sue the guy who's building your new boat? It's to be like, what do you sell me a chassis boat? Yeah, there was there was like a there's a couple of clear like routes to say Well, you know We shouldn't be responsible for all these damages because the andreodoria was improperly engineered right there's there's a couple of clear and known deficiencies in the andreodoria And there was a legal route that you could have

Pursued there, but you also ordered those ships My brother in christ you also ordered the ships So so this line of attack in in in court Just simply failed to materialize a lot of people were like scheduled to testify and italian lines and swedish american lines settled out of court Yeah, you don't you don't want like the the image of a protracted court battle. You want it to go away Yeah, they they they they ate their losses both lines ate their losses very disproportionately as well because um

the italian lines wind wind up paying out like 50 million dollars to replace the ship and uh the families of the victims and you know the replacing property And swedish american lines pays two million dollars to replace the bow of the stock home And that's it and incidentally they replaced the bow of the stock home quite poorly It was done at uh, Bethlehem shipbuilders. I forget I forget exactly where um I don't know where the Bethlehem Yeah, they just they just get the americans to do it. That's it. Yes, you're welcome We'll get that. There was no blame that was ever fully placed, but the general vibe was that captain uh calimari did it, right?

You know, he was we gotta stop calling this man captain calimari Well, he was he was he said to be he was speeding His ship was not ballasted properly There may have been a watertight door missing which is the disputed thing Right and so he lost his job and he never sailed the ship again Um, and the actual cause is still very much disputed No, I blame the swedish guy Carl Hans Jürgen

It's it's definitely the swedish guy. Yeah Oh There was a there was a study at the merchant marine academy Which suggested that third made karstens Johansson Misread his radar It was on a five mile setting and not a 15 mile setting as he thought So the ship was much closer than he thought he was And if they had just installed a light bulb above the radar, it would have solved the issue

The big thing is we don't know everyone Really covered their asses on this one Do some wild speculation in the reply is give me some conspiracy theories about this Give me some conspiracy theories about the Andrea Doria because right after you're done cancelling us Yeah, very very early instance of operation gladio The other thing is The wreck Even now it's the bottom of the sea

It continues to kill. Oh, yeah, it hungers their lads This this this thing that it's been called the Everest of scuba diving Because it's in a very awkward position But for a long time it was thought to have it was imagined to have a lot of valuable shit on there people thought All of those safes those have got to be like full of jewelry from like rich erasers and shit It doesn't but What it does have is a series of characteristics. It's very deep. So you have to do mixed gas and you have to do multiple stage decompression It's very very easy to stir up sediment at which point your visibility goes to zero

It's covered in fishing nets and wire that just snag Anything that on you And it's also in an area of very strong currents that are essentially like tearing the wreck apart Which not only like fucks with your visibility, but it also makes it quite an unstable wreck to dive like there's no safe wreck to dive into but Much less one that is sort of like actively falling or being torn apart like your access points are changing all the time By reputation, it's very difficult ship. It's killed 22 divers Eventually it's going to kill more people than it killed when it sank. We're getting there

Uh, it mostly has drowned them sometimes by decompression sickness Weirdly almost all of them died trying to get china off of it like you don't need plates that bad Yeah, just as like a prestige thing and it's like no leave the cups alone. Um That they've salvaged all of the like important bits with more successful expeditions as they've taken all the bells And the fog horns and shit off They did open all of the safes and they found a bunch of like old Barabonds and shit like that, but nothing really as exciting as they hope they would It's it's interesting. They call it the Everest of scuba diving because it reminds me of ever Everest in the way that like

It's more accessible to rich people Than you might think Yeah, it's it's just accessible enough to be dangerous. It's just accessible enough that like Rich people will get themselves killed on it. Yes. Yeah, absolutely Yeah, that's right. That's true. I we have to we we critical support for wreck of the andrea dory That's right And then the Stockholm

Oh, yes Yeah It's unkillable They they towed the ship out of the environment mode of my people. Yes, and then they put the front back on Yes, for for a while. It was in East Germany as Folka Freundschaft friendship between nations where it was one of the ships that tried to run the embargo during the Cuban missile crisis Then it went to the Norwegians who tried to use it as a floating prison for asylum seekers because we love social democracy Yes

After that it was rebuilt into a cruise ship Apparently the most difficult part of that was the shitty bow that the americans put on it, which wasn't as good as the rest of it Yes They added this duck tail I want to say it's called on the back here for better to like it to be honest. Um, it works And it's it's still in service as a cruise ship Yeah, it's it it it has been out of service for two years now due to covet 19 Hmm. Um, it's it's still thirst for blood. It's invincible sales disease

Hungry both its successors have been scrapped But it's it's it's still there because you know what they built this one in sweden and it turns out they know how to build a ship If anything too well, they built the they built it too good Anyway in five years when this runs into queen mary too Oh god and destroys it Feel like Like a pin exploding a balloon Well, what did we learn

Uh, get the sweets to build your ships. Yeah get the sweets to build your ships and uh, don't do ship diving Yeah, don't do ship diving Shell out the extra couple of cents for a light bulb over your displays Yes, um, even less now it's an LED Uh, if you're gonna sue the italians don't buy ships from them. Yeah, yeah the whole the whole the whole like The environment of like buying ships Is strange to me. Oh, it's weird as hell, especially once you're going to like yachts and stuff. They're like all one offs

and like all of them sink Yeah, yeah, yeah well Once you have one you may as well write it off immediately Andrea doria Oh, and I guess we also learn to like maintain a sort of rapid system of saving of life at sea, but whatever Yeah, you're rapid and very effective. The problem is we didn't learn anything from this episode because

Because it worked too good It was a good evacuation Everyone who wasn't immediately killed other than the child who was domed made it up And and the woman who just fell and like broke a spine with that woman other than that Yeah, I think I think captain, uh, captain calamar Calamay Calamay, I think

It was done dirty by the liberal media I I agree. I agree. Let's use these these days He he would have a company selling like Like t-shirts with flags on the sleeve, you know, it's like the this is like the reverse of the coast of cancordia Yeah, very very like good italian captain who does not want to get off the ship Be dry it dragged bodily off the sinking ship

Four hours before it sank properly opposite of a border cat so All right, we have a segment on this podcast called safety third Shake hands for danger. Oh, that's danger. That is danger This has been written as safety third Yeah, I wrote I wrote in safety third, uh as a joke No, well the joke has been acknowledged Thank you I've acknowledged your acknowledgment of the job. Congratulations, alice

Hello, alice, justin liam and any guests Wrong no guests Uh, unless we have Mia do a voiceover. Oh, yeah, let's try I retract my I used to work at a small humane society I had been filling in as the maintenance guy When I didn't have any other work to do but eventually I didn't have time for maintenance stuff anymore When they finally hired a maintenance guy to deal with things

The main qualification was we'll work part time for cheap Nice. Oh good. That's what we want We had two washers and two dryers They ran all day to keep up with the dirty laundry from all the animals Yeah, animals are gross. Yeah, they're terrible It is funny to call it laundry though. I mean, I guess it it is but After constant use the dryers started squeaking quite loudly

I kept telling my co-workers that the dryers would always squeak From the constant use and the kitty litter in the laundry But nobody liked that answer and continued to claim complain to me and the maintenance guy One morning I came into work after my day off and everyone asked Did you hear about the fire yesterday? Okay, what a way to start Jesus dryers, right? And if you don't empty the thing you burn your house down Dryers are like I think generally like a bad idea

um probably I don't have one. I like hang my clothes up to dry and I I I miss its absence But on the other hand, I I acknowledge that it is luxury. It is a waste I've always found that like that the issue with dryers is like I'm paranoid about house fires So like when I run, yeah a large number of appliances like them. I can't leave the house for several hours Right, um, you know Yeah, unless you got like sprinklers put in or something dishwashers to

also The washing machine as well. I mean all that stuff catch fire really easy um, I I I would say that like hanging up your clothes to dry is something that is for People who live in beautiful italian towns or you can just hang it across like an alley or something on a line You know, this this is true. Yes I had an indoor drying rack for a while. It worked. It worked fine It's fine. It's fine. It takes it takes up the space though the space. Yeah, it's irritating Oh, mine fold it up though

Anyway, one morning I came to work after my day off and everyone asked did you hear about the fire yesterday? question mark exclamation point question mark clothes quotations You microsoft jesson. Yes. I was directed the main this guy who Carefully explained that yesterday he got tired of everyone hearing Uh, everyone complaining about the squeaking dryers And decided to fix them so he grabbed a hand of wd-40 Oh, no

Because it stops squeaks He's right. It does. I've an unimpeak unimpeachable flawless logic. This is true. He then went to the first running dryer Which is a 240 volt electric dryer And I know it in europe. That's normal here in america. That requires a special outlet um, huh And he opened the door Took out the clothes sprayed in the wd-40 On the inside of the drum

He said then it caught fire. I had no idea wd-40 was flammable What did you think it was just vibes? It displaces water It's water displacement 40 Yeah, maybe water displacement 39 was what he was more familiar with And that one wasn't flammable Trying to think of a non-flammable way of displacing water with uh, with a liquid. Yeah sponge

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's not a liquid I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna invent the liquid sponge The spray on sponge. Yeah, right after I build my hydrogen bomb Absorbing radiation with my spray on sponge cozy. Yes The maintenance guy then told me that since the dryer was on fire He ran down the hallway and grabbed a pan of water to throw on the dryer and put it out You'll note that no part of this story involved unplugging the 240 volt dryer before applying the wd-40 Or pouring water on it to put out the fire

Well, the water thing makes sense to me because if you if you go water displacement All you would want to get is your water displacement displacement or water. Just water. Yeah, you're wd-dw Wd-d, yes, sure After I carefully questioned the maintenance guy and he looked confused Uh, why would I need to unplug the dryer? I told him he was lucky He was only regrowing his eyebrows then took him for a short walk From the dryer to the sink where he got his pan of water to put out the fire

I used that that walk to point at the four electric rated fire extinguishers Including one next to the sink that he had passed up to get his pan of water After that the maintenance guy decided not to do any more work on electric stuff without me around to help him do safety checks Good man I Great moments in emergency response, you know I There's no cure for being a dumb guy. We have to protect dumb guys

So there is one one permanent cure that this guy nearly experienced nearly experienced. We want to avoid that one Yeah Get you some safety education, please Over getting ppe Yes, no no way your fire extinguishers are Thank you for all the fun podcasts and if you need a quick episode, you could do a Wtyp on the rise of scott walker in wisconsin politics It has trains and children being held hostage in bathrooms at the state fair

Wild I know the trains part. I don't know the second part We'll look into we're investigating this very strongly after italian month unless scott walker is italian Yeah, we're we're unfortunately we're gonna have to complete italian month Yeah, get back to us at the end of italian month, which you know god knows when that will be Arrivederci our next episode is on the genoa molasses disaster That's right. Yeah

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