Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 117: The Great Yarmouth Suspension Bridge

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

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All right, everything's going right we remembered how to make the podcast that we make I don't believe you yeah probably not all of us suffered a tremendous lapse in memory and we forgot that we do this podcast but now it we're back now fucking hotel room oh my god various various Triviles attempting to get this made but we're back it's here now we're back we're here we're doing a podcast hello and welcome to well there's your problem why podcast what okay I was introducing the podcast it's the podcast the books hotels okay apparently yes welcome to hotels.com I'm the new price line negotiator I took over after William Shatner had a soul stolen by space thanks to Jeff Bezos the lady from Big Bang Theory as their spokesperson now

really I do want to highlight real quick that that William Shatner really did have a depressing time in space and he got back from space and he's like man it just made me feel terrible about all of the stuff that we're doing to the planet so only got one of them yeah turns out yeah hello and welcome to well there's your problem it's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides I'm Justin Rosning I'm the person who's talking right now my pronouns are he and him okay go I'm Alex Goldwell Cowley I'm the first who's talking now my pronouns are she and her yeah Liam yeah Liam hi I'm Liam Anderson my pronouns are he and him I got a close no guest no guess no no guest today it's just us no one wanted to talk to us yeah it's true so what are

you looking at on the screen here is a suspension bridge oh shit really is that what that is like there was a boat no there's several boats in the foreground but there's a suspension bridge in the background what you may notice is that one of us I meant the fucking bridge deck as I now see it to be because of the shape I didn't see the little pillars there and I thought it was a boat that was like capsizing or something well well no it's the thing is the bridge deck is not supposed to be shaped like that well today we're gonna talk about the great Yarmouth suspension bridge disaster oh going back in time again for this one this has way back to Victorian yes this is up who was the guy before Queen Victoria oh fuck I'm Georgian I want to say it would be

Georgian yeah when you like George George the fourth I believe that's fine you did you the listener you just wait while we google this up for you real quick exactly it's the podcast that does its research cute cute jeopardy theme no no don't cue jeopardy theme the last time we queued anything that was like copyrighted music it put ads in the video automatically and everyone got very mad at us I think it puts ads in all the videos automatically anyway Duke of York died followed by George the first king view if you if you have seen an ad proceeding any of our podcasts on YouTube rest assured we didn't make any money from it oh no but it was it was way worse than that but whatever the hell that is William is off well interesting we're doing a

Williamite a Williamine disaster a willyard yeah yes but anyway the bar we talk about the suspension bridge we have to do the goddamn news oh we've got so much news on account of we don't know how to schedule a podcast yes well after after months of vacillating on the subject Elon Musk finally down to Pine a whiskey got all of his best budget bed best buds in his Range Rover and went on a bird hunt he has bought Twitter and has he ever bought Twitter that they successfully made him pay $44 billion for a website that is if anything actively making him dumber to use yes and which has been a sort of like new parade of humiliations every day of his life and together we can like genuinely bully him to a greater extent than we ever have been able to before which is saying

something it is like like an extreme I don't know how to describe it other than it does feel like it is a very white South African move to try this yes you are not wrong my friend I will say something that's very funny that came out today is that apparently he's looking for a new CEO so in three short weeks we managed to bully him off Twitter well the thing is he has the world's thinnest skin he's also very stupid he needs you to like him and I still think that really the most perceptive thing anyone said about this was that it was a moment where it felt like the substitute teacher losing control of the classroom where we just like we were never going to like him but there was a moment where we just turned on him and it may well destroy Twitter in which case

uh I guess I'll see you on the well there's your problem discord I don't want to go on the discord I don't want to go on the discord either stop fucking me stop fucking messaging me about the discord okay maybe I'll go outside I don't know I don't know what happens on the discord yeah we're gonna start like uh shut up Jay for doing all of our bot work for us yeah exactly we're gonna have to uh we're gonna have to like start a union hall or something yeah we're gonna have to buy a building where everyone who enjoys the podcast can come and talk to each other you fucking freaks just sort of like wander the street to yelling my opinions and see and see where I get with that you know that is the old-fashioned way to do twitter I mean it's it's more sort of technically

competent than master donors plus you know when you're roaming the streets yelling you don't have to think about words like reduct or uptoot or whatever I think they just they just they just change that which I think is some I think it's kind of lame I think they should have stuck with their guns on that one should have kept the mastodon theme yeah I think they should go more I should lean into it I think there should be more large woolly mammals do large extinct woolly mammals yes um the reason the reason why I don't want to switch to mastodon is because a friend of mine is in and you can say the yeah this is an unusual instance of mastodon that's another one of my problems with it that it's just a little like federated communities but a friend of mine got a

message in all earnestness saying oh hey by the way people usually like content warning their selfies especially ones with eye contacts and that was that was like okay fine if you want that if you want to do that fine I'm not gonna do that I'm not doing that no yeah I got in early I got into the main uh official instance of mastodon which is the only one that should exist mr rich man yeah yeah yeah there's a the thing I don't understand is why would you not just buy reddit that you want to be king shit a third mountain so buy reddit that would be that Comcast owns it Comcast knows what it's worth yeah reddit reddit mentality that's how Elon Musk's problem is he has a reddit mentality he's trying to like infect other parts of the internet with it um he's too reddit for reddit

or is it kind of nasty that owns uh reddit oh I think so yeah yeah I so in order to make twist of profitable because it's now it was never really profitable they never really worked out a way to make it profitable it was doing all right until it suddenly became laden with debt because Elon Musk had paid way too much for it and it now became an imminent fiscal crisis Elon Musk's thing is uh we have to catastrophically cut back on stuff everyone's fired especially everyone criticizes me in any way and also you have to pay to use twitter um and we've all seen the sort of verification problems that arise from that but I do want to steal one more joke which is you should see what happened to the last guy who tried to make me pay to post yes

although although I will say the something awful uh pay scheme I think is a lot better just because you know if you could pay eight dollars to change other people's twitter details oh that'd be very funny yeah that would be really good basically that what happened that's what happened for a while for like two days you could essentially do this and in so doing we managed to knock like a billion dollars off of Eli Lilly's stock price I'm I'm thinking I know I'm thinking like I pay eight dollars and for a month Union Pacific has a giant red text saying we abuse workers yes yeah but what if twitter were more like something awful is not a thing I had considered but I'm not really unhappy about it somehow not as bad you know as worse an option

I thrived on something awful oh we all did I didn't know yet a something awful account uh Liam yeah you bullied me into getting on when did I do that oh well that would have been well after uh when something awful was relevant yeah uh I don't know college the perfect time like on board you know yes it's just dead uh I was I was on something awful in high school for a bit but I was also on a lot of drugs uh that's a pretty decent combination I forgot when I got my something awful account because I was I was in TCC and I was on the juice I bought a piano and didn't remember I don't think I ever bought a piano uh it's a few states without your friend yeah yeah I'm what I would say the the lesson for this is that no one's gonna pay for Twitter and

I'm not even opposed to paying for Twitter like in some form if it were good no I'm not really I totally get why you paid like old Twitter blue for the organizational stuff from what I understand was actually pretty good I and I would pay I would pay something like a nominal like two to three dollar fee but I won't fucking pay at the Elon Musk exactly yeah yeah I'm gonna pay for it it has to work too right right right you just fired all the people who make it work so now it works even more poorly than it already did which was you know barely I've said before that if I were to buy another car um at any point in my life I you know if Elon didn't run Tesla I would I would be like Tesla's but he does and they're crazy death yeah I do but that's why I turbo swapped the GTI

I love build quality ask me about the fork steer hey don't ask me W about you know what's really funny and I pulled this to Roz so Corinne has a a wrap for and when you turn it on there's a like a warning on the infotainment screen it's like hey like don't drive distracted like always you know use these systems when it's safe to do so blah blah blah blah which no because the GTI starts up the screen says GTI and then it goes right in the Germans do not care if you live or die not a warning not a drive safely not a fucking nothing and then of course hard does is when it's below 40 it's like conditions may be icy and it does that every time and it's like yes I live in Pennsylvania and in order to like further pursue that sort of Tesla feeling

you also removed the inner like door handles so that in an emergency you can't get out of the GTI oh I have door handles we'll see that this is the thing this is you don't want to Tesla because you'd be losing that key feature yeah I was I was I'm you know I was considering just taking my rear seats out sort of for the for the thrill of it all and I was just like ah yeah yeah the super legaria program yeah yeah right it's weight savings always been terrified like what if I'm like out with friends and someone calls an uber to go to next location in a car that shows up as a Tesla and I have to like explain to everyone I'm not getting in that oh yes I put on the roof rack like Mitt Romney's dog yeah I've been in a Tesla

one time in my life and it was one of the one of the unhappiest times I've been in a car it was it was I was coming back from some concert or something I don't really remember and I had to explain how the stupid fucking door handles worked and all of this and it's just like it's it's too clever by half like we get it like you're you're the fucking teacher's pet sitting at the front of the room being like oh well you didn't assign the homework and eventually that kid grows up and fucking hopefully and Elon Musk should also have a nice time I was I was I was about to say that is um you know you didn't catch yourself on the first part but on the second part sure yeah I just it's been a long it's been a long week and it's

fucking Wednesday man yes I I have a nine to five uh that uh uh clapped my cheeks today um sorry you got your your your cheeks clapped like capitalism yeah yeah well I use it to buy more stupid parts for my gti uh equally a equilibrium tune I guess having a sale right now so uh you could have had a worse day if you were an air show in Dallas oh god did you see the video of this yes oh everyone saw the the multiple videos of this because this is the thing we everyone has high definition cameras right on them yeah at this point especially when they're going to shit like air shows um this was one of the few photos I could find of this that didn't have like hey a bunch of people gonna die in a few frames sort of or I could now I could think when I saw it

was the 3d ultra lionel train town deluxe guy gone that's a fender bender um what the fuck is wrong with you so if you're not familiar it just stuck in my head now yeah uh there was an air show in Dallas the commemorative air force uh managed to fly a p63 kink cobra into the back of a b17 bomber uh probably entirely within each other's blind spots the whole time yes um I I I believe there was something like the uh the the the who's the guy who directs the air show it's like an air marshal or something like that they call him an air boss which is a cool job title that is true and he like he like said he told the p63 to overtake the bomber and then and then this and then this right I do have a great quote from uh Michael Graham a member of the

ntsb he said one of the things we would probably most likely be trying to determine is why those aircraft were co-altitude in the same airspace at the same time it's like yes well very much the same airspace as it turned out actually yeah occupying literally the same the same bits actually that's the problem here yeah yes it's it's Graham it's killed like six people known on the ground thankfully but like both crews like five people in the b17 uh and and one of the p63 um air shows are a dangerous activity like not inherently but like relatively it's like one of the more dangerous things you can go and see I mean what are one of the things I didn't like about this though are people calling like for banning air shows and it's like I don't know I think I think we should

still have these things you know this is an accident which occurred but we do have like ways to learn from it and ways to make the air show safe you know yeah yeah uh I I mean I I have sort of mixed feelings about air shows largely because of like a pictures for sad children comic that like stuck in my head at the time which is the like your your modern air show with the jets and such is like hey this is what death sounds like it's like okay uh but yeah no it does have like sort of importance as living history and I think we can make them safer I mean most of them don't kill a bunch of people what we got to do is bring back the plane pole what the plane pole uh there was a thing I think it's at several airports I know for a fact it was on Dallas airport they just open up

the tarmac one day and teams of big burly men would try and oh physically pull a plane yes physically pull a 747 yeah yeah yeah yeah okay this fucks okay so you just have a strongman competition that's what I mean yeah exactly exactly that's what I want yeah just do that with b17 you are fascinating no no you gotta yeah I mean I think the b17 would be relatively easy to pull Pete do like 747 those are fucking big as shit yeah they're really big yeah pull b52 it's still smaller than 747 I mean unfortunately we can no longer pull the Antonov through to five because uh that's really sad fucking russians yeah uh so anyway yeah um if you're an air boss uh don't do better the planes to crash into each other

please yeah kind of kind of impressive that you know despite having the back of this aircraft cheered off like all the wing structure is still like intact on the ground uh I don't build them oh my god I just realized I literally did the correlation the like no correlation plane thing in real life yes yeah you're amazing you know there crack open that big Alice brain and see what's inside that's right uh you see the University of California system is on strike about 48,000 workers from like graders to post-docs to like support workers they're all on strike for the usual reasons people need to eat people need child care people need like transit to and from work which is an interesting one to like specifically enumerate but also because this is America they're

all united auto workers uh this is a UAW strike yeah I find that totally makes sense yeah the IWW succeeded in one way which is one big union but not the one you think yeah trying to try to explain uh like a mass union to Americans okay so imagine cars right right so cars yeah but it's also everything else this is a UAW local 2865 I believe and of course when you put a bunch of like UAW negotiators in a room with uh the people who run the University of California system they're not good the the UC people aren't going to know how to negotiate with them they're going to remain sort of like even more arrogant than management typically do in such a situation and as a result strike uh we don't know how long this is going to last uh but you know it's it's a union winter I

guess now so winter again across the picket line that's true that is true unsurprising you know no definitely unsurprising what what is what are the demands of the strikers here I haven't been following the story too closely because I've been obsessed with the railroad strike of course essentially they want to earn enough money working at a UC campus to live anywhere within 50 miles of a UC campus okay that makes sense yeah like I mean UC is what like aside from Davis or whatever like Berkeley for fuck's sake or San Francisco Berkeley is probably the most expansive one oh yeah yeah yeah that's the main thing because the the UC proposed like something like a seven and a half percent raise maximum uh in a year when inflation is up eight and a half percent

and I'm sure housing costs are up like 35 percent yeah and incidentally UC's board of regents voted earlier this year to approve a 28 percent pay increase for their nine chancellors which puts their salary range at a minimum of five hundred and twenty two thousand dollars a year all you do is go to meetings yeah that's a real fucking job including including the meetings including the meetings where the your workers say hey you should go some more money otherwise we'll strike and you tell them to go fuck themselves and they strike and then the university doesn't work anymore so in terms of just like keeping the basic thing functioning sort of uh in effective hostile management um I I don't know how how well the board of regents on fire obviously uh who else

we got that I hate uh what's his name fucking Drake something Michael Drake who's the president of uh University of California oh and they want they also want a cap on the like uh how much you can charge for uh like on campus housing which all right well that's why they have to build a cube oh yes the cube why don't they just why don't they just build a cube for all the workers if we if we just compress all of the workers into this sort of like uh like obsidian cuboid barracks you know it's be good right because like it's one of those new sort of very architectural buildings the campus is like um it'd be very efficient because everyone's just going to be in the cube and it'll emit this like unnerving hum as well which you know probably we heard

across most of the area and I think that'll really like encourage learning for those of you who are not familiar check out our episode on the UCSB student house in cube yeah so I'm more power to them basically yes um sure I've heard this described as being like is this going to be the union tipping point and I feel like this happens every time there's a large strike both in the UK or the US that's like is this going to be the tipping point so we're also like poking the big sort of like labor relations thing with a stick and going like come on right the tipping point right I mean impossible to say like maybe uh you know in 1917 or whatever you would have like a podcast and you're like uh fucking now the sailors are striking at Cronstadt

uh maybe this is going to be at this time I don't know what is going on with the railroad strike what is going on with the railroad strike well we had um so so far it's Brotherhood of Carmen I believe so the boiler men rejected the contract the boiler the boiler men rejected but that's a very small union the biggest one that has rejected so far is maintenance away Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers and train men and um smart TD have not uh finished counting votes yet though I believe they have voted we should find that out in the next couple of weeks um I believe they have decided to call off the strike until after the Georgia runoff because this is still highly political um but the fact that I believe three unions now have rejected the contract means strike is probably

on um it's it seems very unlikely that there'll be some kind of resolution there just because BLET and smart TD are the ones who have the actual problems and most of the no votes so far have been solidarity votes as far as I can tell um because a lot of these unions got really good deals and then you still had significant uh membership uh voting no um because they know that like the actual people driving the trains are still getting really screwed over yeah well things are really heating up here in the UK as well like um we're in for another six months of rail strikes because um uh some of our rail unions just balloted again for more mandates to do more strikes and again like sort of approval rates in the 90s I don't think even the low 90s um already

we've we've got uh we've got ambulance stuff up here striking the fire brigade might be about to go on strike as well oh hell yeah oh yeah the the fire brigade union yeah the fire brigade union genuinely quite militant I say that very approvingly um and uh fuck what's the other one oh god um it'll come to me but basically everyone's going on strike and obviously we support this you know yes in other news there's so much news uh we're back America is is going back to space uh with the first noble act is sending four crash test dummies to the moon uh and and returning them safely to earth I don't know if you're returning them safely to earth probably doesn't matter um I was not I was

honestly not aware of this mission until yesterday oh yeah the Artemis program uh uh there's sort of like further shows on pay was filling me in on this yeah the uh the sister to the Apollo program we're gonna send Americans back to the moon during the uh like by 2030 um and the idea is to develop a sort of like moon orbital space station there's gateway station cool which yeah I I didn't know that's sort of like controversial in space circles um people think it's kind of like a boondoggle I guess as opposed to like it's gonna be a boondoggle yeah no it's gonna be a boondoggle but it is cool but it is cool that's true yeah I don't give a shit about the logistics of it I'm I'm not that bright I just know like moon moon if you could

basically build the death star like I'm here for it you know what I mean yes the the fight is between like the people who wanted to have a moon space station and a moon base like something on the actual moon land okay permanently I figure that the moon space station seems like a smarter idea I like the moon space station more what I think the other thing is you could just have a regular space station around earth shut the hell up we have brought some yeah but but but this is one where you you know you dump a bunch of fuel there so then you can go other places yeah well that that's I think the the long-term plan for this this moon space station they call it gateway station um this is gonna be your goddamn space elevator shit again oh yeah we need a space elevator

yeah this is gonna be like insight or in-situ resource utilization at some point in like the 2030s 2040s as we're gonna work out how to make rocket fuel off of moon off of moon rocks or whatever and then just turn the whole thing into into a big gas station to you know put people on Mars we're trying to turn cheese into rocket fuel yeah but they launched this thing it's the the first like full flight of the space launch system which as you see here very dramatic lots of sound and fury um and eventually this is gonna carry people they have the the like the crew bits designed by the european space agency and then they're gonna have to wait for SpaceX to design the fucking lander in order to actually land people on the moon um this is gonna like send

some crash test dummies around the moon and back um and then if if empty lawn isn't too distracted by twitter hmm okay so they designed the rocket which is something SpaceX already had yeah um instead of getting a rocket from SpaceX and then using that time to design the lander you know yes yeah and then maybe space around you could have maybe switched this around and save some design time I mean I listen I have many thousand hours in in Kerbal space program and the thing about Kerbal space program is that it doesn't make you uh sort of like compete between state and private manufacturers for your rockets that's a good point yeah yeah my favorite part of Kerbal's space program is how uh inauthentic the geopolitical situation is

with the little Kerbal things yeah yeah yeah well I hope they get a bunch of science points out of this mission I'm not I'm actually sure what they what they plan to like learn from this other than can we do the orbital like the orbital mechanics can does everything work doesn't like because like you can't open up the capsule of the other end in the sixties yeah yeah yeah you can't open up the capsule the other end look at four test dummies and be like my god they're dead in here uh you know I think that the idea is they're gonna push this beyond like survivability limits they're gonna have them like in space for longer than they expect the people to be in hopes that like you know the stress test the thing and they know they can do it if they have to

but yeah this is this is cool this is good and it you know meanwhile sort of like completely shut Russia out of space exploration their current thing is like joint sort of like landed moon base with china fuck knows when or if that's gonna happen so you know America's back dark brandon does it again things of this nature is it imagining when there's an american and a chinese moon base and then the astronauts come out and fight each other rock yeah exactly exactly i'm thinking like uh like uh what's his name um like a rand paul type situation you know sort of like a yeah sort of like a mowing a lawn mowing dispute i you should you should check out a show called for all mankind essentially this

idea um in other news midtimes back yeah it's big boy season it turns out all you have to do is be a big boy get the largest possible man to run for senate and he wins he did he did and uh that's a shit on featherman's victory but i i also want to say hold my dick uh Doug Mastriano who lost my 14 fucking points uh nazis can go to hell uh historically bad candidate yeah he was trash and he can suck the shit out of my ass but that's not as important right now what's important is it's big boy season we're very proud of our large boy uh seen here at a hip city veg in philly after i chased him down uh what what is the official position of the podcast on john featherman by the way is it just big man lud reminds me of my largest relative he has

generally been i would say better than than other democrats above average if you talk to some folks i i know in pittsburgh they would say well he's not always cracked up to be but you know the um he is pittsburgh is saying that about fucking everyone is the thing yeah i think it's it is cool that we have representation for like basketball shorts guys in the senate that's that's an underrepresented group in terms of like yes how much of america's population they are and how little sort of like elected representatives they have so i will say featherman i think is sort of art is pittsburgh's layer chrasner where i certainly have my issues with him but given the sort of environment he's going into and given who he's replacing i'm i'm pretty happy

i'm very happy that connor lamb sucked shit in the primaries yes um i wouldn't have minded napkin kenyatta uh who still owes me for a pair of shoes um how how do you have these sort of like what's up oh okay well you you were both in the same fraternity right yeah yeah so the midterms in general like shit and dies out of his lungs this is true this is true this is the unfortunate thing i got cats and didn't realize i was a little bit allergic to a little bit have you seen your eyes sir you are very allergic take benefit if you if you're if you're curious as to why we haven't recorded in two weeks it's because justin's eyelids have been like swollen

shots uh yeah that only that only happens in the mornings or he did he did he was partying like the vermarked in 1944 and got a little lost that's a drug that's a drug use reference not a war crimes reference so the midterms in general not bad like the democrats can't say the word yeah we would have the thinnest republican uh control of the house they've had as far as i know ever um and yeah a bunch of sort of like humiliations but donald trump is running again and now the republicans are eating themselves trying to decide whether like he or ron desantis his like worse imitator most unlikable scumbag yes well this is the thing donald trump is bigger than ron desantis yeah that's true but he looks smaller now he looks like he's sort of like shrivel

yeah ever since he stopped being president and they took him off the the magic keep you alive juice that got him through covid he's been sort of like with the red wilson the shit that killed annan and colesmith yes well they gotta they got he's been gone off that fen fen i think i think it's fucked up how they have a magic keep you alive drug they gotta put them they gotta put them back on the diet coke oh fuck yeah yeah i or not a regular coke he doesn't eat he doesn't drink no garbage yeah yeah i i will say um i i the one thing that that twitter has been like desantis like trump i've said that i've got on about this is that trump is not and especially like he doesn't tell good jokes but his mannerisms are at least amusing yeah he's just yeah that he is

entertaining in sort of the worst sense of the word but like desantis will just say you're just would you just shut the fuck up man like he doesn't he doesn't have that that that uh posters poshido that ross was talking about yes it's so weird it's so weird seeing him like consciously imitate trump a guy who is just a perfectly perfectly his own kind of psycho seeing someone else trying to do donald trump like unironically is very strange and we're in for potentially years putting it like an uncanny valley way it really is i think it's the most unself-conscious person around right he he is a perfect uh a perfect ball of id yeah you know and and and and and some of these other people have like little hang ups or like they they you know they're

an insecurity of some kind right and and it just totally prevent yeah well no i trump doesn't i mean people projected that onto him i'm sure he doesn't actually care there are letters from him like showing pictures of his hands that have been marked up to say not so tiny rods yeah he does have like weird little grudges and stuff but like yeah compare that to desantis who is essentially every other republican in sort of like boilerplate venal i don't care about anything except power as opposed to i'm still mad at grade and carter for an article in spy magazine in 1996 like that was something that only trump could have done i and see i i do like this is the thing that that that got me about uh matriana it's like it's all these guys trying to imitate trump

and it's just it does feel like uncanny valley shit to me it really does it feels just like like if you took a computer that was really good at playing chess and then sort of wrapped it in human tissue which is like okay i have to make this move to this move like the the funny the funny thing about trump is that his his he has a memory of 30 seconds and knows what he's about to say for the next 15 seconds and like all these other guys are like plotting out their moves well in advanced Trump's like fuck it like i don't know what i'm doing in neither do you which he plays it from a foreign policy perspective but like amazing on twitter hey he plays it entirely by ear did like there is no long-term plan which is ultimately that's probably going to be his undoing

as the very sort of like lawsuit circle uh but you know it was it was as part of his inimitability you know he gets a second grover cleveland term and then he dies and he's fine doing the ultimate lib brain move which is because carry like the the republican candidate for for governor in arizona who lost suck shit uh who ate shit as as did most of her elk was like trump shouldn't have to run again uh because he already won right and the election was stolen from him um i think there's there's a possible lib variation of that conspiracy theory where you're like trump trump won the election he had the vote stolen from him and therefore he is now ineligible to run again the 22nd amendment yeah i see i saw that take i you see i i i feel like

he's probably not eligible on account of running an insurrection but yeah yeah well as it to again i i i try not to go to lib brain on here but sometimes i can't help it which is like listen to robert moeller for following through everybody listen every single fucking person who is involved on january 6 they should have been rounded up bust 11 worth tried for treason and some sort of whatever like 1948 soviet era like kangaroo cart and then she buried in shallow graves that should have taken three days three days maximum yeah but when you have a less effective punishment for treason than in the 1860s even that's that's a concern yeah it's i forget what it is exactly in the constitution it's i think prison time of no less than 10 years and or death uh it's

death you fucking you listen again authoritarianism bad whatever the state shouldn't be in the process of executing people but you do that you commit treason and like nah and and the treason in furtherance of again the small hands guy the the the failing bad food restaurant guy that guy that's your guy who you want to like overthrow the constitution and institute like racial holy war is can donald trump i know we've we've talked shit on the secret service here before but you imagine being the poor son of a bitch that's to take a bullet for eric trump he's gonna be reassigned soon don't worry what's really funny it's like i i i read this great book called zero fail history of the secret service i read this background for the jfk thing and i talk

about it on there um secret service guys the agents they fucking love trump because well the cops and cops tend to be republicans right and but they love they love trump and trump treats them like absolute shit it's a perfect little microcosm of that whole interaction of he's like you know throwing empty coke cans at them and shit and they're like oh fuck yeah maga you know a bunch of fucking thwebs man um so oh 43 minutes in the episode i have one more thing to say which is uh for those of you uh who are mad at me because i'm an anarchist uh and they're like why is he talking about executing the panoramic it we're very clear about this you support you support the good trees and not the bad treason yeah yeah you guys do a market

that's fine this is poor it's like carry that thinking like one step further you're like okay you want to overthrow the likes of like democratic constitutional settlement of the united states such as it is in order to do what right yeah yeah you gotta i need i need a motive and a one page outline yeah all right well uh this has been uh the god damn news how badly how badly do you have to beef it to make us as leftists as anarchists not support bringing your own guillotine to the capitol like that's a that's a layup and you miss it she was exactly yeah okay 44 minutes into the episode that was the god damn news oh this is gonna be a doozy oh okay so start out with we need to talk about what is great yarmouth it's uh it's one of those like seaside towns like a resource

point of britain yes um yes it's in i god east anglia i want to say um it's i said it's at the mouth tell tell tell her about her own country now go on no i know nothing about great yarmouth matter trash i know nothing about great yarmouth my own sense of my country's geography is very flawed it's it's at the easternmost point of britain it is at the mouth of the river yarr yarr yeah it's yarr mouth yes but listen we're not very good at naming things explain what a what a resort town is so this is largely a victorian phenomenon uh once we sort of started developing a leisure class people had like money they could take holidays they had weekends because of unions uh they could take that time off and they could uh you know go somewhere slightly nicer than

the slums and industrial landscapes in which they inhabited and most of the time that was you go to the seaside um and you know this is promoted as like a health cure this is sort of the birth of like internal domestic tourism um and a lot of places that had been sort of like sleepy little fishing towns or whatever built promenades and built piers and built like sort of like seaside attractions so that you could take your whole fucking little victorian family and go and eat like victorian ice cream or whatever it's also it's also all like 20 miles away tops because britain is an island yes so like sort of like atlantic city was to uh you know philly and new york city it's a huge spur for railways too um oh yeah because how are you going to get there you you're

not you know taking a cart a horse drawn cart or whatever um so this sort of like is very influential in the development of some railways um particularly london to brighton um and and so gray almost is certainly not the most famous of these which is why i don't know where it fucking is but it's it's on the list uh and like a lot of these places are quite grim now because people don't go on on holiday inside britain anymore people don't really like it's just ruin my orca mm yeah exactly but that could change thanks to brexit maybe once they finally ban british people from other countries i listed where that's getting better all the time because of climate uh you're getting britain's getting better all the time no the weather in britain

is getting better all the time it's getting better it's getting positively Mediterranean in england during the summer so how's that for your skin tone alice oh dreadful you know so this says uh here's the town hall uh this is the britannia pier down here um or no check out those fucking here yeah check out those listings we've got jimmy kahr we've got roy chubby brown uh sort of like very 70s musical comedian who can only play these sorts of venues because he's so racist jim david says much much the same is this like the chuckle brothers yeah the chuckle brothers this is a serious country this is a real country that i'm from sorry what is this building top right this is very pretty that's the town hall that's the town hall well something pretty in britain who who knew

so we don't have those over here town halls you have you have a fundamental issue with britain is there's too many comedians per capita that's sure comedians are actually funny um wow hold on hold on attempted attempted comedy uh with intent to do numbers um yeah i i make it worse myself um you're under arrest for uh attempted comedy conspiracy to go to the i'm not doing the fucking accent you're licensed to that comedy here's the regent street shopping promaday down here graham graham graham i kind of like it there's a bowling alley i like bowling animals yeah bowling's good is that like is that like the tiny pin bowling though or is that real bowling oh like candlestick bowling candle pin right yeah uh and then you got a then you got a the the beach promenade

down here yeah that's like hot ass hey at least it's a sand beach like some of these aren't like brightens fucking pebbles uh oh how great we don't have those in america we don't have sand beaches in america i can go walk around on like stones on my vacation great yeah you know what this should be is it should be mini golf a giant dune here right and then this side is just parking lots in mini golf that's what it should be golf on the shitty wine bars in asprey park yes um so this is gray yarmouth um there's two rivers in gray yarmouth right there's the r oh beautiful satellite image this is horrifying yes why is it so brown so british british rivers are very brown for two reasons one we keep dumping untreated sewage into them and we do that a lot lately um

the other is that we just we have a very sort of sedimentary uh like river system uh it picks up a lot of silt uh we almost never dredge rivers really and like as a result everything's this shit brown color well i was reminded of that um what's at the top gear episode where the guy walks across the hole or something yeah um so you got the yarr the yarr is the big river but a smaller river also intersects it called the burr that's this guy here this is just sounds this is two anglo-saxon for me it's just like yeah you've got the yeah and then here's the train station this is going to be important later and then here it was right crossing i predicted the fucking thing without even reading the slides ahead of time this crossing here is where our subject is

oh so so the yarr excuse me the burr is not a very big river but is big enough to be annoying right you can't wait across it i presume you can't wait across it it's not it there's not a lot of wood or stone around to build a bridge because everything's marshland for like miles and miles around there were no bridges in yarmouth proper for a very long time and said there was a ferry at this location until 1829 it's wild how much marshire england's coastline used to be like even up until that point um just genuinely generally like a lot more sort of like un fucking coalesced i guess yes i want to go to the premier in great yarmouth west on the in no you don't no yes i do i'm sure that what what is a premier in oh i assume it's bad a premier a premier in is like a budget brand of

hotels of the budget brands of hotels it's not the worst and you can count that as a paid endorsement i guess they're they're fine um like don't expect luxury or anything but if you want somewhere to pass out for like you know overnight you could do worse yeah yeah yeah um they don't tend to have bugs in them um i'm sitting here at my computer and pizza boys just sat down at the radiator in front of me and now he's giving me the stink eye i don't know why it's so fucking hot in your house that's true i have cats now folks one of them is named pizza boy the other one's named milkshake incredible yes um all right so we also have to talk about suspension bridges can we have devin put up like a couple of photos of the cats if you supply those at this point

yeah yeah sure i'll do that um adorable okay so we're talking about early suspension bridges right so our earliest type of suspension bridge right is this is the simple suspension bridge right you have some ropes or some cables or something you have a deck suspended underneath by ropes or in this case by planks they follow the curve of the ropes right your hero gets like halfway across it and then the back I like starts cutting the ropes yeah i mean hopefully you survive it in trek and then uh this guy named thang thong gyalpo right he was he was Tibetan um he invented the chain suspension bridge in 1430 ish um this is the chashol chak sam yeah we hope so yeah sure why not but this this went over a river in Tibet uh it was built in

1430 ish um survived until 1960 when the chinese communist party replaced it with a concrete bridge uh no sense of romance I was about to say yeah um so but your your sort of suspension bridge with the flat deck and the hangers is an old idea just was not commonly implemented for a while because this is so much easier and you didn't necessarily have a lot of spots where you know it was practical to do so um wait a second wait a second this bridge on the bottom left here I've played the most recent fallout game that wasn't an MMO I recognize this fucking bridge um this is an underspanned suspension bridge relatively rare kind today but you put it you have a you have a pair of wires that you build the superstructure of the why of the bridge on top

of the wires um and you have six flags over the shittier parts of Chernobyl yeah I like this I think this is pressing I mean not in this state necessarily but I stole that joke from Archer this uh this is not an especially common type of bridge because it's weird and unnecessary I think the biggest example is this is the Kellams bridge on the Delaware River you can see uh the span goes way down under the deck and then comes back up I was built in 1889 um but a lot of things that these early bridges had in common um so early on they were built with chains but then they switched to something called i bars right mm-hmm go back to the very very first episode if you want to throw back here more about one for the pre-leam era yes yes

right before we needed we knew we needed a third person to be funny yes so i bar better than one person interrupting us two people interrupting us that's right what is an i bar um this bar was the whole of each end yes you can see here this is on one of the three sisters bridges in Pittsburgh there's a bar it has a hole at each end through that you put a pin in there right and the pin connects several bars together and then there's hangers on here that support the bridge deck right that's an i bar um these are really popular in the 1800s now if you go back to episode one i explained a lot about trust theory and how you sort of you built to the theory as opposed to having a theory that was described around um what you had built before to explain it um

this is not strictly true i would revise myself here um because the theory came well after the adoption of the i bar right um because the i bar is sort of in this case uh a development of the concept of the chain um you know we just have rather than having several chain links someone someone like me in history looks at a chain and goes make it more rigid and they were right to do it yes yes but what's going to become crucial here we have to talk about how were these made right especially in the 1820s really early metallurgy how does this happen we're pretty like steel we're pretty best in the process certainly so we're doing like either cast or wrought iron yeah uh yes that feels like a one-way ticket to collapseville am i wrong

in this case it is mostly wrought iron um most of these i bars are going to be forged in three sections you have the you have the i you have the i and then you have the bar right it's got two it's got two like glowing weak points in it yes um and at these joints you do forge welding right and forge welding is how we welded things before we had you know electric arc welding or even oxy acetylene welding right um you can still see it done if you watch like any of these blacksmithing shows if you watch forge and fire or whatever uh you can see them fucking like forge weld billets of overshad to go to make a knife and and so what you do is you know you take you you roughly get your eye into shape and your other eye into shape you get the bar into shape right

and then you you sort of have to add a join in there in this case it's based on carpentry right in this case we're looking at a a scarf joint here um this is a very simple one uh a more complex one would be something like this this bolt of lightning joint here which is designed to actually take stresses um but it's a carpentry joint but you try and do it in metal right um and then what you do is you heat up the parts um and then you hit them with a hammer until they're welded together um and this is this is how you do welding until the 1870s when they figure out the oxy acetylene torch and it was still common until world war one when they figured out modern electric arc welding right be very funny to imagine a guy putting down like a modern welding helmet and or like

hit two billets of metal with a hammer for an hour oh no you just burned down your eyes back then yeah yeah yeah so this is again this is a one of the three sisters bridges in pittsburgh um the i bars we're talking about are are some which are much more slender like these and i forget which bridge this is um um uh neither one of us has thrown off the side of this one yes uh wait what uh so we we've told this story but uh ross and i once went on a how would you say this baton death march i from the south side of that that was the hot metal yes i know i look it has nothing to do with i don't know what bridge this is

god damn dude you and i have walked over this bridge continue yeah i was just saying it's not relevant to the conversation we've alice asked the question yeah i didn't actually throw up off the bridge introducing like i didn't know relevance in each podcast is a 10 minute long episode i did not throw up off the hot metal bridge are you sure i'm oh no you almost threw up off the bridge i almost threw up off the hot metal bridge actually i i he did dry heave i thought he puked and then he decided to do like what i could only describe as a usain bolt pace up the giant fucking hill on boulevard of the allies so i had to make him stop every 10 seconds faking a leg

cramp so he wouldn't over exert himself into throwing up and then we got panera the next morning it was the worst day of my fucking life but i threw up on the side of 376 it was not boulevard of the allies it was bait street whatever man was it bait street yeah it was objection relevance does not go up the hill no it doesn't go up the hill you're right now i feel like i'm a pretender i was very drunk there were two dollar doubles in that tiki basement bar yeah exactly i i knew exactly where i was at all times during that incident bezburg you're very you're very sober drunk when you drank i guess yeah he knows where he is until he doesn't um okay okay so you know the seven train is only like a quarter mile walk it fucking

wasn't it was a mile and a half with a backpack full of beers it was horrible now that was the problem i was relatively sober for that one there you go yeah um so hi it's justin uh so this is a commercial for the podcast that you're already listening to people are annoyed by these so let me get to the point we have this thing called patreon right the deal is you give us two bucks a month and we give you an extra episode once a month uh sometimes it's a little inconsistent but you know it's two bucks you get what you pay for um it also gets you our full back catalog of bonus episodes so you can learn about exciting topics like guns pickup trucks or pickup trucks with guns on them the money we raise through patreon goes to making

sure that the only ad you hear on this podcast is this one anyway that's something to consider if you have two bucks to spare each month uh join at patreon.com forward slash wtyp pod do it if you want or don't it's your decision and we respect that back to the show this is an 1820s i bar it's a very thin spindly affair your 1820s metallurgy wasn't very good there's not too many methods of determining the quality of material you just kind of got what you got you hope the local blacksmith was competent at his job right yeah so uh let's talk about the bridge in question so there were four sets of seven eighths seven eighth inch thick i bars on each side of the deck

right that's that's pretty slender this looks like it's going to go poorly between the two decks was 92 feet or between the two anchorages excuse me right there is a 63 foot clear span i should have a question right which may which seems stupid but in the spirit of aliases simply make it more rigid uh why not simply add more i bars mm or does it not matter cost money okay yeah it costs money so someone has to do a little cost over okay yeah fine yeah uh there is a 63 foot clear span a 14 foot nine inch wide deck and the river is a whopping seven feet deep the the total area of this bridge is smaller than that of my opinion people drown because they can't swim this is pathetic this is not this is not

this is not a big bridge yeah um the engineer uh joseph john skulls was in charge but he never actually supervised the construction right skulls had just returned from the grand war went to egypt he went to syria he went to greece he went to italy he was publishing archaeological drawings and studies in london and he was engineering this bridge entirely by correspondence oh fuck me that's perfect distance engineering you're just like most of the time think look at my little fucking cannellettos or whatever and then occasionally i get a letter that's like bridge get a bridge progress uh it's still up for now still up it's there uh got the material um hope to see you soon

see nobody wants to go to great young feet as well it's the other end guy yeah apparently yeah back not even stop because this is like free telegraph i think it's more like some like handwritten cursive yeah this is all being delivered like the fastest way they can deliver it is like by canal boat or some car sure feed picks uh send send feed picks i hope this letter finds you well send feed picks to rise don't send them to me don't send me feed picks this opened it was opened on the 23rd of april 1829 and the ceremony was the first time the skulls visited the site do it taking credit for a group project it couldn't wait to get out of the work

this was originally intended as a footbridge with a single carriageway but the is it ankle is it asshole what is it with with british and place names there is no telling could be literally anything i don't know that the the road that went to the next town was rerouted over the bridge in 1832 as a result of the railroad reaching great yarmouth so they needed to widen the bridge for horses and carts to pass each other how do you do that uh you put a you put a lay by in the middle like a passing line like when you don't want to like do a double track railroads all right a little platform out in the middle just over like clear water and you just like step onto that when you need to like get passed by something

what they actually did is they decided okay dammit everything like my little idea everything between the cables is the cartway now and then they added two feet for sidewalk on the side okay so they just simply made it bigger but not any good okay they just widened it did not make it strong make it exactly as rigid yes uh which is widening a bit and the strand between the high bars was now the cartway and the sidewalks were cantilevered off the side it's done no strengthening uh no reconsidering the engineering works fine again this is a really small bridge yeah i i mean the guy who showed up wants to look at it presumably is not that invested

in its upgrade either yes yeah yeah tiny bridge it's gonna be fine tiny little sort of bridge over sort of tiny unimportant river in a at this point still unimportant town sorry what's the worst that can happen the problem is we got better transportation um we got you know all this kind of technological improvement people want amusements and this is where we get the traveling circus us rise you have to do it wash it's withdrawn by four real geese why are these specifying that it's real

alfrins what else we got rockharmonicon five days at honk on that's a good night for a band it will be a great night first night of mr. william cook as clow boy this guy looks like he's like there's a lot of type sessing going on in this leaflet yeah there was there was there was like a uh you know i every once in a while you think about like okay uh you could use like two or three fonts and then it's like you look at these old I paid for the whole font book i'm gonna use the whole font book i'm gonna i'm gonna use the whole font book

breaks up the text of it you know um every different size of text is a different font you know there's your problem right there um so in our case we're talking about cooks royal circus just founded in 1784 this is um i believe it's thomas cook i didn't write write it down in the notes um oh wait i see i see reading the flyer a problem mr. nelson seen here our clansman looking clown will sail on the river bur starting from yarmouth bridge to voxel gardens in a common washing tub drawn by four real geese yes so that that's the big event of this circus first of all there was all going on this was a promotional event why is the actual circus what is mesmerism

oh clairvoyance oh okay man this is this is real good on my eyes so they're gonna put a clown in a bathtub and like harness some geese to it that's that's you know i don't just make him go in a bathtub the problem with these these old advertisements is that you had to alternately get real close in and then walk back to figure out what they're saying so shit they actually call him a clown of infinite jests too which is cool wow it's it's a fucking hamlet reference it predates fucking the good guy it's not a bad buck it's just really fucking annoying all right so this is one of those family circuses um it had contortionists it had strong men

but the main thing is they had a bunch of horse riding bullshit tricks you know it's like uh you know it's like these guys are good at horses wow watch this shit happen but you know they also had clowns right it's an 1845 they came to great yarmouth and they advertised the circus they put a real clown in a wash tub and floated him down the river beer pulled by four real geese good not loving that they have to sell you the whole goose but you lonely need the edge in actuality there was a row boat and a guy was rowing the boat and there was a tow line under the water hauling the bathtub with the clown in it and really spoiling my illusions of the circus here you know that music is intended to evoke the fucking entrance of the gladiators

yes to the to the much deadlier kind of roman circus right ah question mark so this was intended to happen on the 2nd of may 1845 which was a friday and it was after 5 p.m there's nothing else for anyone to do we're gonna watch them we're gonna watch the clown yeah yeah yeah if i if i if i know british people and i do the sort of heavy inference here is we're gonna throw some shit at this clown i don't i i i wonder i don't i didn't see anything about them throwing i fill out a battery at him be more entertaining imagine imagine they try this i would go at this we'd steal the boats from the temple boat house and just go i don't know piracy this fucking guy yes i've not i don't want to hang out with clowns in the clown

clowns in the clown it's a talk twister thousands of spectators throng the banks of the river bier they were all there to see the clown you probably like come into town and like shitty little great yarmouth is like your big town you're like i'm gonna i'm gonna see the clown will be like the most exciting thing i'd see for the fucking it was it was it was that in norwich i believe norwich is the next closest town oh god 300 of them crowded the southeastern corner a lot of this was referenced as a southeastern corner which i i have read to me the downstream side of the bridge um and this is a far from a fully loaded bridge right um there's a lot of people who are like four or five people deep trying to

watch the clown go by uh but the the cartway is fully passable they're all they're all crowded on the sidewalk right it's like unevenly loaded but like not sort of not sort of like absurdly overloaded at least you would think so um now around 5 40 p.m a loud snapping sound was heard oh good spent an i bar had failed in the downstream suspension span uh bridge really they're redundant right the bridge was fine yeah hey safety margin yeah some people noticed it and they're like oh probably fine no one moved yeah except i believe one horse in cart where the horse refused to get on the bridge

all right for once the horse is a smart animal horse horses are very smart sometimes the only one very dumb in general but very smart when when a human is about to make them murder themselves right they prefer to murder themselves when they feel like it just authentically yeah yeah so the first i bar went and there's two chains of i bars on each side and uh five minutes later the second i bar went oh as a result the bridge sort of rotated into the river the other side held fast but that side just dumped everyone in the river and the crowd which was mostly children oh was all forced against the railing as they plunged into the river so crowd crush plus drowning cool yes you were a fucking horrible way to go out yeah i love a double

death love a double quarter pounder death with cheese in seven feet of water yeah i was gonna say how how do you die in this it's seven feet deep and you're not falling that far and and the answer is apparently you get slammed into like a rule sign railing yeah and then you're you're also like pretty close to shore as well like you know there's people who just jump in and can walk over to wear the to get people out um so yeah um 79 people 79 people 59 of which were children Jesus fuck that's so many don't like that with like it is so easy to kill a child it turns out like almost too easy some would say oh i can't wait for that to be on the w2ip out of context thank you yeah it's really easy to kill a kid it's pretty pretty easy to kill a kid i mean but the other thing is you know this

is uh sometimes it's pretty hard to kill a kid i mean kids are pretty resilient you can like come against all you gotta do you know all you gotta do with a toddler all you gotta do with a toddler is when they fall to the ground you do not acknowledge that they're hurt yes you don't acknowledge it you don't acknowledge it unless they're bleeding out of their skull you simply carry on they'll just run head first into walls like constantly kids are like gnomes that are constantly on fucking suicide watch please stop sticking that fork in places like i am begging you this is one of the rare rare cases where the kids are actually getting hurt and dying yeah yeah and it's like there's a bunch of like georgian dads off to the side like walk enough

walk okay okay buddy swim out of the river and we'll see we'll figure it out it's whatever it's like even if you die you deserved it you're gonna have like 14 more kids only three of them survive childbirth anyway it doesn't matter yeah like all of your kids i lost yeah and like probably of like the most comprehensible cause like all of your other kids died of like egg or like you know slightly too cold or something like that and theory of right where exactly and 59 kids 43 of them belong to three families and they have 75 others did you not be discriminatory against the irish for once in your life man we don't know what else to do we grow potatoes and have sex with each other it's all we're good at fiddly d potatoes yeah yeah let's all settle down there poland

you watch out i'll invoke article five join the uh join the uh the the baltic state suicide pack that seems to be developing yeah uh hey it was a Russian missile no no wait a second everybody fall down just every oh my god every foreign minister so like east of the the odour being like tie me to a missile and fire us at the kremlin that's pretty funny um the official account says survivors were taken by uh mostly rescued by nearby boats i get the feeling that a lot of them were able to walk out or were rescued by people walking into this exceptionally shallow river that one guy with a top hat on the right bank there just has a pole i bet that's probably like handy he was he was

he was the pole guy yeah just stands for that's a vocational five yes um and then all the survivors were taken to local pubs to warm up ah yes ah okay and 19th century medicine you got to give this child like six glasses of brandy one flat beer yes yeah what is this one of those this is one of those disasters where you sort of either died instantly or lived with no injuries um there were not a lot of people who are seriously injured i think there was some hypothermia which was treated by i want to say a local brewery which is like yeah we got tanks of hot water dunk them in there um which is probably actually very bad for them coming out that's something like a mask on yeah that's not a great

way to recover from yeah oh yeah they they they definitely reduce that water for beer yeah that's still better than what the belgians make this leads us to a question like what happened to the clown what happened to the clown i don't know what happened i hope he had i hope that i don't know some sort of rescue uh washing tub had to go washing tub i haven't the clown what happened to the geese these are my questions yes all right so this is obviously a tragic incident in victorian or yeah i guess it would be victorian because at 45 uh britain so a guy named james walker who was a previous president of the british institute of civil engineers was commissioned by her majesty's government to inquire into what happened right

and uh what he found was joseph john skulls specs were correct he specified the correct kind of kind of iron the correct type of joints so and so forth uh and simply neglected to test anything right just uh i wasn't gonna like come up from london for it he was on the grand park yeah it was about to say they haven't they haven't built a railway out there yet i mean well when they when they built this bridge there wasn't any railways um so there was there was no testing uh simply trusted the suppliers and the contractors he had no way of knowing anything because he designed the whole bridge remotely right and uh what had what it was determined that happened was both of the bridges broke at the forge welts right um walker said i i had the quality of the iron

tried in a variety of ways by an intelligent blacksmith mr good noble stupid kind oh this guy was named mr good which i assume means he's good yeah that was big here folks yes and i found that the straight or middle part of the bar which much better than the ends which are of a very coarse and inferior kind what that sort of indicates to me is that uh the the actual iron bar was probably rod iron and then the um the eyes were cast iron which is much port brittle uh it sounds like you're you're sort of joining different kinds of iron i am not sure about that i should have um but walker's report was pretty damning said that even if the iron had been good what we'd now call the factor of safety on the bridge was clearly too low right um he

estimated the crowd load to be about 44 tons while the bridge could have handled if it was constructed correctly 56 tons um and his conclusion was for cheap shitty iron yes this bridge should not have been constructed so lightly if it were for public use right you know because occasionally you have a public bridge there's going to be a crowd on there for some reason maybe because there's a clown in town yeah you need to build in the clown factor at all times i said um the general conclusions to which i have commerce follows number one i consider that the immediate cause of the accident was a defect in the joining or welding of the bar which first gave way number two the quality of the iron and the workmanship as far as i was able to examine them

was defective and although i think it was probable the accident would not have happened if the work had been properly examined and tested at the time of construction still i consider that the strength of the bridge even if the iron had been good was not sufficient for ensuring stability i love a 19th century engineer because something that should would now be six sentences is one very conjoined one yes yes number three yes number three that the widening appears to be injudicious and made without sufficient reference to the original strength of the bridge and the weight which it had to support and therefore it operated as an aggravation of the evil sick in in in this case what he's talking about is the second link that broke

lengthened several inches before it broke um yes so that thing was working but again it ultimately aggravated the evil um number you don't you don't want to aggravate that don't want to aggravate the evil number four then the original construction of the bridge the the casualty of great load all on one side does not appear to have been contemplated if it had been i think that the chain on that side would have consisted of more than two bars any one of which taken separately was unequaled to the load which the bridge was likely to carry one thing strikes me this is a surprisingly like comprehensive sort of like engineering inquiry for 1845 like sort of the state the state of the art the state of engineering at this point is we just about

worked out how to make a train not explode right and here we are doing like a admittedly sort of like flowerly worded but quite functional analysis here i mean you gotta remember we got all of protest in this amount of an engineering report from like it's true 1400s everyone's a conservationist to totally see the estimate rose yes thank you alberte so it's not clown proof is the answer yeah walker is saying you know the the bridge was underbuilt to start out with and was built with bad materials and bad techniques who could have known this without actually visiting the job site did this spur any like regulations requiring architects or engineers to like actually look at shit themselves so i think by this time you had some regulations but this was this was built

before that what i do know is that skull suffered basically no professional consequences for this uh incident yeah continued design buildings mostly churches until his death in 1863 i was about to joke when we were hearing about him the first time that like yeah according to like the laws of the time he has done nothing wrong um it i wasn't prepared to be that right but he wasn't he wasn't even like disgraced no of course it's not even like happens to the best of us you know to the best of us yeah who's among us who who hasn't like collapsed a bridge onto a bunch of children listen at the time it was fine to do that you're gonna have like nine more anyway

well well what have we learned uh killing kids is bad generally um and and surprisingly surprisingly easy in this instance uh engineers are the consequence three failures yeah i was i should have mentioned the bad technique and specifically that was cited was that one of the um one of the the forge welds uh had something like a quarter of an inch of actual weld in it um it was just done poorly yeah not enough hammering you got to hammer the stuff together not enough heat not enough hammering a guy hits a one time he's like well that's fine oh no i'd probably wonder if they had did they have a well no because it's very flat they probably didn't have a water hammer it was probably actually a guy with the hammer who had to

do it yeah and he was thinking about how you know in 20 years time that bridge is going to be used to like view clowns gets distracted doesn't hit the thing enough uh and kills a bunch of kids for one to the nail kind of stuff you know i never knew that this one hammer strike would mean the death of 59 children 16 years from now yeah so yeah uh skulls came off fine um they rebuild the bridge eventually yes there's a new bridge in the same location but it is not in use i believe the actual road bridge is farther farther up river uh it is still a pedestrian bridge and is the closest one to the train station but it's uh it's a truss bridge now because again this is a hilariously short bridge it is it the

it is smaller than my apartment it's incredible that it managed to kill this many people let that be a lesson to you you know if anyone sort of like derides you just consider like you have the potential to do great things yes far beyond you're like you're seeming so like even if you kill some kids it doesn't matter don't worry great thing great things come in small packages yeah death tolls mostly well there's a segment on this podcast called safety third oh boy hold on what what are we what are we looking at here we are looking at vats of acid oh boy that's what the goop is okay yes

hello justin alice uh liam and whoever else may be present they're not fucking hedging your bats weak yeah make it yeah make a decision yeah i've been binging your podcast while playing monster hunter and i cannot get enough of it something about using a hammer to bludgeon dragons to death while listening to three people smarter than myself talk about is entertaining i was i was about to say i honor us yeah a very one and a half people i'm flattered however listening to tales of train crashes bridge collapses and other examples of incompetence leading to disaster got me thinking of my old job because oh boy it's legitimately a miracle

i'm still alive i worked in a wire mill in a wire cleaning department that that's one of those things right where it's like totally unremarkable product you're like oh cool how how do you make that let's do a fun little like how it's made segment about this and the answer is oh yeah we just were like we we flay a bunch of people's skin off to make this um it's just always been like that this is the vat of acid episode of well there's your problem isn't it mill thank you the mill i worked at was 119 years old with fourth generation workers when i quit and it showed the entire mill was falling apart our mill rights and electricians were constantly bouncing from department to department fixing catastrophic problems

there were still infrastructure to accommodate donkeys that had never been removed cool what inches of dust coated some unused areas and the dust in the air caused sinus headaches in new hires that were seen as a rite of passage i'm enjoying this sort of wooden gantry in the picture on the left that looks about a hundred years old also it looks like this is something that was being pulled by donkeys i don't think it is this company has a spectacular five step approach to safety it was truly a work of genius that only the mind of a corporate demon could come up with number one ignore blatant osha violations and serious hazards until someone gets seriously hurt or dies number two hey number two pay out of

settlement number three put in half ass safety measures so osha goes away number four return to status quo number five c step one to give you an idea what serious injury meant to this company oh by the way uh content warning for our listeners right now if you are squeamish this one does get ugly right um to give you an idea of what serious injury meant to this company only serious dismemberment and injuries of that nature received any response um and all of the wire draws who would work for more than 13 years there were missing fingers more than 13 is this curiously like statistical figure yeah so speaks to authenticity there that you like went and tabulated that you know this place likely took years off my life as well typically a lifer would put in his 30 years

retire live five to 10 years then kick it but sometimes an especially lucky retiree would make it through his 70s before dying this is this is how pensions used to work um yeah now this is the most anything unions accumulated pension funds that was working jobs dismemberment that killed you yeah this was the most miserable job i ever worked in my life with n but with endless overtime 80 plus hours a week rather consistently and with the aforementioned disregard for safety uh this place was notorious for being a hill on earth that pays you a load of money for as long as you can tolerate it bumping the chemical workers song once again at this point yes as you could probably guess from the name of my department we cleaned two ton coils of steel wire via a process called pickling

oh my the coils came out of the foundry with the protective coating on them that we called scale using a circle crane which i believe is this guy here yeah uh using a circle crane we would set them in one of five boxes of sulfuric acid and water that we kept around 140 to 170 degrees Fahrenheit the strip it's so insulting that acid works better when it's hot like it really just adds insults injury to be like oh there's acid but also it's like hot acid it's hot acid yeah the holy will is killing you but it will hurt the entire time or die to strip up the scale and dirt that accumulated during storage and after about 15 minutes in the acid bath we would lift them out rinse them off in a water bath then coat them in quick line kept

about 200 degrees Fahrenheit make them at 500 degrees Fahrenheit for about five minutes and finally send them to the wire drawers who would draw them down to size i guess it's draws drawers drawers yeah yeah so so that yeah this is the crane this is the vat of hot acid here now let's get into the title incident again this is the last time for squeamish people to bail you may notice the pictures of the acid boxes and circle crane there aren't any safety rails to prevent people from falling into the really hot sulfuric acid what the fuck sense is that

fuck safety rails there aren't any markings like if you this is some paint cost yeah don't fall in this paint the edge of it yellow or something you notice that elon musk does that even don't breathe this fuck well we had taken notice of this and we had made mention of it for multiple generations of workers we had told corporate for years that as someone tripped in the raised area behind the boxes they would fall directly in because the platforms were barely two feet wide at points with a sheer wall on one side and scalding death on the other the raised area was slightly before the rim of the acid boxes and essentially if you weren't

paying attention you could walk right off the platform into the acid box thank you thankfully as you can see the production area didn't have this problem but the production area is not where the incident occurred they eventually did install safety rails but from the company's five-step approach to safety you can probably guess what had to happen first you may reasonably assume that the company's reluctance to install safety measures in these areas might well have been motivated by a lack of use but you'd be wrong not only one as it was it common to go behind the boxes but it was something we would do multiple times per day to drain and refill the acid boxes as the high iron suction lines and low iron refill lines

were behind the boxes I guess rating like the justification for that is well you're in and out there all the time and none of you have been like right yeah all y'all ain't fallen in yet the grading behind the boxes with acid acid resistant but the anchor points were all wood and metal so the platforms were just not secured to anything and were just kind of balanced on wooden struts that we prayed wouldn't fail oh fuck my ass the valve handles on the drain and fill lines were also oriented so that in order to open them you needed to pull them up and towards you so theoretically if a handle were to break off while you were pulling on it you would trip backward towards the acid so to recap all of the platforms behind the boxes of

blazing hot acid with no safety rails for less than two feet wide and would move under your feet and a high iron valve handled to box number four the box with the skinniest platform behind it had been seized shut for a couple of days yeah at this point I uh no no now this was taken after osha came in while the railing circled in red didn't used to be there you have the shimmy between that wall and the acid boxes to get to the drain and refill lines the board circled in blue may not look like it but is completely corroded and used to support the acid resistant platform that we stood on to get to the drain and real refill lines what the fuck what the fuck man enter j now jay was a rather big guy who ran the circle crane and after a day of production jay

had to drain box four he knew that its high iron valve had been seized for a couple of days but figured he would try and pull it open itself a couple times before he called the mill right to break it open and manually clear the build up he pulled it hard and it didn't budge again last time the drop out folks uh he changed his stance pulled even harder it didn't budge uh jesus finally had one last push before he called the mill rights and sat down for the day he really put its back he really put his back into it pulled with all his might punish you're working hard won't wait yeah the handle broke off the momentum from his effort propelled him backward causing the platform to shift underneath him and dump him into the box of 150 degree fahrenheit acid fuck no dude

as he fell he managed to get the side of the box with his arm and pull himself upwards so his face was only submerged for a tenth of a second he managed to scramble out of the box and fall to the ground thankfully my co-workers who were on production that day heard him rushed him to a wash station and called an ambulance he managed to survive jesus christ my third degree burns over 85 percent of his body but alive nonetheless fuck however the only reason he is alive he said the will not to scream when he fell in otherwise he would have gotten too much acid in his system mouth and almost certainly would have passed he deserves every penny and more of the 10 million dollars he got by like a factor of 10 jesus yes i still wake up that guy deserves to be

like on a beach getting like sucked off every day of his life like yeah yeah but by it yes i mean i still wake up in cold sweats over the system because the night before i had been on the third shift and i couldn't open the same handle he was tugging on so i called the mill rights about it and they told me they get it fixed after the first shift if i had pulled a little harder i would have suffered the same fate but again i was on the third shift and completely alone oh okay i've never done anything that dangerous but as a human i am familiar with the sensation of i could have fucking died just now and yeah that's not a good feeling um this is 19th century shit this is the kind of shit that like

Friedrich Engels is telling Marx about in the letter and Marx is like you know that's crazy you just have an open vat of boiling acid like out of like fucking Bowser's castle what do you think the shenanigans are over oh baby are we just getting started there was a formal investigator coming down to the mill to figure out what happened as you might recall the rest of the mill wasn't in the best of shape either and everyone knew it without the weeks of notice that there would typically be to give the rest of the mill an appearance of safety corporate was frenzied so they came up with this mind-boggling plan and i swear on my grandpa that i am telling the truth here there's no way in a million years

that we believe what i'm going to tell you they took one of the gators john deere gator okay i thought there were salligators too i don't fucking know this is john deere gator you know it's like a thousand castle levels of evil you know it's like a sort of an aggressive golf card right yes yes which runs you know drive by the way i don't talk about that anyway so they took one of the john deere gators the foreman and management staff used to get around the mill they zip tied a tarp to cover the passenger side so the investigator couldn't see drove the long way around the mill directly into the cleaning department and then tarped off the corridors to all other departments to ensure the investigator couldn't see any other departments like eating

also on you like cover your shame you however despite corporate's best efforts when he saw when he arrived the investigator sat slack jot gazing in awe the almost beautiful disaster that was our department he took only 20 minutes lately inspecting our workspace before livantly telling our management to direct quote get their shit together and fix that fucking mess we were shut down for nearly a month doing repairs and committing ourselves to safety before we passed inspection by the narrowest of margins we're clear to begin production again only for the foundry to have a catastrophic failure of the crucible causing the melt shop to be flooded with molten metal which shut us down for another month it's

cool like like any kind of metal foundry is just like occasionally just sprays superheated metal at you that's cool finally after two months of shutdown and bringing in three different private contractors to fix the absolute foobarring of the steel mill a faulty startup of the arc furnace exploded our two building size transformers causing us to be shut down for another two months at the time this was occurring the ceo of our parent company was busted for tax evasion i kind of believe in like a degross now because in order to do that you have to you have to have a lot of steel right and and we're talking about ways of making steel making carbon neutral and like net zero and meanwhile the process of steel making is like oh yeah the guy fell in the hot

acid again whoops oh wow we have to have a generation behind yeah where where it needs to generate my father and his father before him and his father before him all said there should be a handrail here none of us were that tough we wanted safety equipment at the time this was occurring the ceo of our parent company was busted for tax evasion i legitimately wished that i was making this up but needless to say once production resumed i saved up for about six months then told my manager to go redacted himself have a nice time after i fell through the floor of the circle crane a second time what yes well falling into an acid box wasn't likely in the production area falling through the

floor was very common because again it doesn't matter how acid resistant the grading is if you secure it with metal and wood right i have more stuff more stories so many more stories you're going to think i'm lying because i know i know that sure as hell we don't think you're no i believe this all unquestioningly the only thing good thing to come out of this clown show is the fact that this job turned me into an anarchist since clearly a union will only get you so far you were union fuck me that's like you should because oh the upshot of that is you should see the non-union equivalent of this somehow like the non-union guys have to come to work through like a shower

of hot acid every morning kind of thing you let have a good day or night or whatever time it is and remember kids it doesn't matter how well that job pays if it consumes your life it'll never be worth it that's the damn truth right i i i read this story um and you know the thing that really stuck out to me is that i believe yesterday at a caterpillar plant uh a man just fell into a vat of molten iron yep oh the culminates of two that that guy died um yeah very quickly so very quickly i hope um and um yeah people just don't want to invest in handrails for some reason like the most basic piece of safety equipment yeah this is always like one of the most horrible sort of like industrial deaths and it happens with

like pretty you can do it with pretty much anything like people have died falling into like vats of beer vats of chocolate that's a horrible one too because it's uh so like insanely hot but it's sticky um pig waste yeah um what else molasses yeah not grain because grain it's like a liquid yes it does it's like a liquid that then also compresses you a lot of times the grain stuff is like people go in there deliberately like idiots um so this is bracing this is like having a bunch of like eyebrow hairs tweets do you know i is i'm certain i'm certain that acid probably took off a couple of hairs i mean oh i bet yeah a very complete program of electrolysis happening yes yes this is i did it's exfoliating um folks if you own a factory with large vats of

boiling chemicals all right first of all i'm the boss is second of all god damn i put some handrails up so people don't fall in i if you're running bowser's castle this is legitimately the worst safety third i think i've ever had this stuff this is the most harrowing one and i remember the one about the guy getting the light fix just with the eye like yeah have we had a worse one than this i don't remember one i don't i don't think so i don't think we've had guy falls into vat of boiling acid and survives this is a rick and morty plot yes hi i'm gonna be like walking around just my daily life like worried that someone has installed a hot acid vat somewhere and not told me i'm gonna be looking down every step that i take

just in case someone's like put one of those in it could happen to you yeah the hot acid vat is an ambush predator yes it lies in white it does i all i could say is if you have a hot acid bath that's been there for 114 years jesus fucking christ put some railings around it please it's it's like the thing they used to like uh uh distill sherry or whatever like some of that acid is gonna be a hundred year old acid right oh yeah i wonder how the restaurants have never changed their frying oil exactly it's we went for the race of like no that's different difference in culture that um yeah god damn i like that uh huh um all right well that was management does not give a fuck about you i they really holy crap holy fucking crap i mean

that was that was safety third our next episode our next episode would be on the boston molasses disasters and we have commercials before we go we could we could do a brief commercial for the live shows are there still tickets for those yeah for the third for the bonus show i believe the bonus show yeah there's still still tickets we may have um we that third show will be different from the first two um it won't be the boston molasses disaster it will be a secret third thing yes uh no because the boston molasses disaster is the the um the next episode oh yeah excuse me sorry yeah when when is that's how can i have December 7th is the first show December 8th are the two

the second and third show it is at underground arts in philadelphia pennsylvania yeah all right come to that i'll be i'll be calling in remotely um but that's we will have at some point once again that's right hopefully i won't sound like a robot if i do sound like a robot i will try and style it out and keep it funny and at some point hopefully inshallah i will do a live show in person with you guys yeah that'll be our our secret glass guy show not an ounce that's right that's right i'm still thinking about the hot acid vat i'll be a hundred percent honest with you i i could happen to you at any time at any time at any time oh my god fuck shit

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