Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 133: Oldsmobile Diesels

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:40 But the thing is you owe Gio Gaud to wear a soldier limb because he gives you his hottest battles like Tommy Hut. Yes. Tommy hurt. Hello and welcome to Well, there's your problem. You forget the name podcast but engineering disasters. Hello and welcome to long pause. Well there's a welcome to I welcome back
Starting point is 00:01:04 to kill James Bond. Wait, what's what's my podcast call? What's my soul source of income calls? Can I phone a friend? The friends just be like, I don't know, man. You get the right answer. Hello. Hello, and welcome to Will, there's your problem. My, I, I was just in Rosnick.
Starting point is 00:01:30 I'm, I'm, well, this is the podcast with slides, uh, what about engineering disasters? I'm just in Rosnick. I'm the person who's talking right now. My pronouns are he and him. Oh, I have a little school to Kelly. The person who's talking now, somehow less delirious than you. My proud, my proud my
Starting point is 00:01:45 Proud my pronouns my pronouns are she and her my pronouns are Yaeliam what the fuck you You know what? It's just like, okay, all right, take that to. Hi, I'm Liam. That took you a moment, too. Yeah, no, you have some wrong opinions about which is the correct Bundesliga team to support. I want Mrs. Ross, the act to be happy. She's always been very nice to me. I'm sure she's a lovely woman. My pronouns are, I do think that she should be disappointed by, by on Munich, just one time in 11 years, even once. I have nothing. Let's just let's fuck you go.
Starting point is 00:02:35 We have a guest. Hey, hey, look at the camera. Hey. Hi, my name is Victoria Scott and my pronouns are she and her. And you are't pixelated It's it's well. I am using rural Idaho internet, which is kind of just like a tube. They shoot The rural Idaho internet and Zencaster the service which we pay for and height Which makes all of this possible, but also make all this
Starting point is 00:03:02 Would you like it not would you like a 10 second people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:03:20 I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be a lot of people. I'm not going to be. And Graham used to drive an alpha and they're a very cool family. So thank you very much for. There are a ton of Liam's van. I just thought of Liam's van mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. I have bad news about that.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Van to is coming. No. Oh, oh, God. Stalking through the night streets and eight cylinder engine blowing out in various different directions. Rod's throwing into orbit. He's done. Listen to you. Listen to it.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Listen to it. Cancel your paint for you. And you can't let him do this. You have to cut off his legs. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. We have the sanction here. And now, otherwise, I will not be sanctioned.
Starting point is 00:04:03 I will run the blockade. So with a 96 G 20 or 86 G 20. Ross you should run the ad right now. Just be fair. Just go to the whole music. Just like rotating picture of a van like slowly spinning over it. Oh, I'm pretty good. Anyway. You see, I have one more announcement. It's about shirts. Today is Friday June 2nd. We are hoping to have the store open
Starting point is 00:04:34 by Friday June 9th. Interesting. Will that be? I internet. So we're shipping. Oh, there will be Alice. Delightful. Finally, I can get a shirt from the podcast that I help run
Starting point is 00:04:48 Yes, I don't know I don't think the band should be wearing a bands merch, you know that's nice kind of where the bands I just rotate by one. I like record while there's your problem t-shirt Oh fuck me my brain is fucked. I will wear a leisure problem t-shirt recording kill James Bond or where kill James Bond t-shirt recording this. And you know, I'll wear a trashy t-shirt when I'm playing for the emergency adortment. Right. Do you have kill James Bond merch? Not for sale at the moment, but we are working.
Starting point is 00:05:22 We're looking very strongly at more shirt designs. Yes, I would like one so I can wear it when we go on tour. I thought I was, I thought you were going to go like, oh, it's not for sale, like in sort of a sort of implying that you have the merch, you just don't sell, you don't pay with all the money. Or you don't pay with money, yeah. I will show you my butt hole, and that's what takes a good shirt. Please do not do that, please.. Please show us your but holes.
Starting point is 00:05:46 We have we have a contact form on the website, but if you send us your but hole through that, we're sort of powerless to do anything about it. Yeah. Yeah. We you're not going to get any special treatment. Anyway, what you see on the screen in front of you appears to be an engine. Oh, it's bad looks looks and good repatting any of the notes. Like Christine.
Starting point is 00:06:14 And in a great looking car and a hideous shade of powder blue. Oh, this, this just stinks like 80s GM. Oh, you are so right. Identifying the stink. I can I actually I can I can smell these fumes actually. This is my friend Josh is dead in a junkyard in York somewhere hitting it with a hammer until it revs. Yeah, see that great thing is never revs. Yeah, see that great thing will never rev. Cause it's a diesel. Well, I feel silly.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Enjoy it while I'm stupid. This is, can I just go off for a second? I'm so lonely. Please. This is, this is my, my new special interest because I just drove 2,000 miles in a caravan of cars, one of which was these. It's pretty much the last surviving example left on earth because it was the biggest pile of shit GM ever made. And I say that with full awareness of every product GM has ever made. It is, I think it is uniquely notable in an engineering, as an engineering
Starting point is 00:07:20 disaster because it did not actually kill anyone aside from the diesel engine. We're America for 30 years. We can do it as we run out of ideas, but continue to need to pay rents. We're doing more and more disasters that like are not disasters, do not kill anyone and a sort of like looser interpretations, but that's fine. You're locked in now.
Starting point is 00:07:43 You're parosocial. You're going to keep paying for this. We could talk about anything we want. We could just do like, I that's fine. You're locked in now. You're parasocial. You're gonna keep paying for this. We could talk about anything we want. We could just do like, I don't know. That's what the bonus episode is literally are. It's just like things we fight interesting. I do want to say Victoria, I thought of you. I saw a video of a guy who got tricked into going to a Chevy SSR meetup. He was, I, for this, who you don't know, the SSR was Chevy's weird muscle truck retro thing. It was a carnival. It's been a different.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Wow. It's been a different. I've always wanted to. All people like Alice, Alice, I need you to Google the Chevy SSR right now. Because I'm on edge. The thing is, like, I have to, I have to Bing a Chevy SSR, which, ooh, oh, that's horrible. That's like a PT cruises, like, yeah, it's a thousand of fucking sun. Yeah, it's great.
Starting point is 00:08:39 I saw a video of the guys, like, yeah, we're gonna know a car meet, like, you'll really like it, but he's like, what kind of car? And he's like, I'm not gonna tell you, like, you just have to, he's like, yeah, we're gonna do a car meet like you'll really like it But he wouldn't he's like what kind of car? He's like, I'm not gonna tell you like you just have to he's like, okay How bad can it be like I like can be a Corvette me? I'm gonna ask to MX 5 No, I'm gonna I
Starting point is 00:08:53 Love the SSR I want one so bad Honestly like There's there's a couple of cars that I have a problematic interest in and that is one of them They're they're they're so stupid that they're kind of war like, because like the PT cruiser was too good of a normal car. Like it was a Toyota Matrix with retro styling. The SSR has no purpose whatsoever. There is no analog.
Starting point is 00:09:15 It is literally just like, Hey, boomers have money and they missed the 50s. What if we did something with that? I mean, Joe Biden, you know, driving the, you know, like the electric, the Ford lightning or whatever. But the thing that interests me though is when you say I have a couple of cars that I have a problematic interest in, you mean this, when a car guy says I have a couple of cars that I have a problematic interest in, that's the Hitler car. He means the Hitler car.
Starting point is 00:09:41 He has a problematic interest in the Hitler car. He has a little model of the Hitler car with little flags on it because he likes the Hitler car. He has a problematic interest in the Hitler car. He has a little model of the Hitler car with little flags on it because he likes the Hitler car. It could also be like a Nazi half track or something. There is a communist half track because Lenin's car. Lenin had a Rolls Royce which you know don't ever talk to me about champagne socialism. But because of the snow, he had what was called a kegress track on it, which is like Belgian dude, Leon kegress invented this. It was like an early form of half track. It was like this rubberized track. And so he had like a half track Rolls-Royce. And to me, that's the communism. Nice.
Starting point is 00:10:18 It's in a museum in Russia, which you now can't go and see because of Russia. Yeah, because there's Russia, yeah, you know, they they they've fucked up. It's got big skis. Yeah, we also for like winter driving. I it's incredible. So Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and it looks weird as hell. It looks very like dishonored, very cyber bad like diesel punk, I guess. But yeah, today we're talking about,
Starting point is 00:10:45 what are we talking about? It all just gonna be a little diesel something, right? Yeah. Oldsmobile diesel engine. We got 10 slides that we are gonna have to like to drag it out a little bit, you know? You know, but first we have to do the goddamn news. I was not paying attention. I don't know what this is. Okay, it's very silly. Small
Starting point is 00:11:16 business tyrant should be and sorry, Devon rounded up. Besides us, we're not like we're not a wait. I guess we are a small business, but we're a co-op like we don't have employees Which is that we like we have tentacly one employee I guess that's a contractor That's a contract. I was thinking like I am a Figure that would be that would also be Devon. Yes That's a Attractual. I kind of think of Devon as like the fourth host.
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Starting point is 00:12:00 Every single time I do, I do anything with Ross computer related, I just want to like exile him to the next room and just be like, I will let you back in when I'm done. I mean, I, I, not because he's in competent or anything, but because Ross's I have, I have his full on courage. I had my own sort of like, compulsive moment because my, my hard drive failed. I'm just like, for some of you would not boot and it was like, oh, your hard drive failed. I'm just like, I thought I would not boot and I was like, oh, your hard drive failed. Fucking take it out idiot. Luckily, it wasn't anything important. It was because I,
Starting point is 00:12:31 I refused to ever uninstall anything and games are too big now. I had a big like, just, just, terabyte hard drive and so solid state drive that I just used for games. I just kept that on there. And that decided, you played too much train, and Sim, fuck you. Gone. So I reinvested some of my Patreon bucks and I bought a bigger, even more gamer hard drivers. The fucking biggest one. Western digital is like gamer division makes. Oh, I was thinking, did you go with the 22?
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Starting point is 00:14:34 but right now, how is it not too good? Because my legs got tired and I was exhausted. The way that it currently is now, the way that I am coming to you, it's screwed in on one side and it's drooping over, like fucking hanging off the screws. I've got a fuck. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, organized. Yeah, I bet it does. So one thing in my life that is organized is my computer and I just how, how after all these years working together, could you stab me in the back like this?
Starting point is 00:15:15 I am so upset. Please give me a moment. Because at least with Ross, I sort of expect new levels of like weird shit. Mm-hmm. You, I expect better. I know that I'm like, I have eldest daughter syndrome for this podcast and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:15:28 I'm the sensible one in a lot of ways. That does not apply to the way in which I organize my own computer. That shit is like gorman-gast. I've had this for like 15 years and like whenever something breaks, I just change it and then it like goes on top of that. I got like fucking 16 external hard drives like fucking four keyboards plugged into this thing.
Starting point is 00:15:51 There's like did like a sort of like a wall of USB hubs. I don't know what to do about it. And frankly, I'm scared, right? It scares me. It scares the shit out of me. It works. It allows me to like record and make money somehow. And I'm very frightened, even more so now that if I touch it, all everything will break. So listen to it in contrast. Yours isn't like a problem.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Yours is pristine. It's, it's, so here's the thing. I'm going to admit to something that I've never told anyone, but those close to me know my cable management is a God damn nightmare atrocity. I would have been prosecuted at Nuremberg for the things I do to cable management. I it's I will say the server is very well organized because it sort of has to be because there's no margin for error in terms of like 14 hard drives right all next to each other. But if you like see my center right now, I did, I use a fractal design case.
Starting point is 00:17:01 I can't remember the one right now, but it's the big airflow one. That is organized pretty well, but that's only because I have tempered glass on the side, so I don't know when I can see in and look at my shape. I don't care. I highly recommend it. The way that the hard drive cable came with this is I just have four sourced things, four sourced outlets, like Daisy Chained Together. And like, oh, I do that. The server has like, like many multiples of hard drive cables just like,
Starting point is 00:17:32 I really was like, yeah, there's, yep, yep, yep, yep. And don't even get me sourced on my audio sets up, which is I got the ex alarm mixer. It sits there gathering dust, doing exactly what it's supposed to. I have it set up exactly the way I like it. And then, then Nate Bethay goes, your audio sounds too good. I need worse audio. I need the like, you're sending me the like sort of cropped versions of your photos. I need the big raw file files. So like, here is a new mixer. Here is how to install it. And I go, yes, I will do that.
Starting point is 00:18:06 A month later, I'm like, I still haven't, because I'm scared. I'm scared that if I touch anything, everything is going to explode. So that's the battle of the forthcoming weeks of my life is working up the courage to install this new fucking mixer. weeks of my life is working up the courage to install this new fucking mixer. So we have a news item. What? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nomer who is now a writer and photographer, so it's a
Starting point is 00:18:46 nitrosity because I purposely did, I, all computers are my enemy and therefore I regard them as much resentment as possible and I refuse to do anything kind for them. So I have, I don't even know what CPU is currently in my computer because my old one died like three weeks ago and I got it replaced with something a friend sent me for free. And so I literally, like I went, I worked at NASA as a software engineer and I literally am like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:19:11 it runs Photoshop. That's a ignorance is the best approach to this sort of thing. Otherwise you are driven slowly to madness. Yeah, that's my don't program anymore. Don't blame me. So the Supreme Court has decided that employers can sue unions for lost product. That's pure fucking evil.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Yeah, in Glacier, Northwest versus International Brotherhood at Teamsters, local 174. Basically, Glacier, Northwest is this concrete company. It had some labor issues. The team started. Yeah, the the teamsters went on strike at a time that management knew that they were going to go on strike, but they decided to make a big batch of concrete anyway. Long story short here is a bunch of trucks. They went out to deliver the concrete and then they came back when the strike was called. And you know, they just parked them running in the company parking lot. Right, and with a bunch of wet concrete in them,
Starting point is 00:20:08 management had to go out and empty the trucks themselves. They'd dump about 150 cubic yards of concrete. That's probably, okay, that's probably $16,000, $20,000 in destroyed product, whatever. Glacier tries to sue them for, yeah, you shouldn't have mixed that. When you knew the strike was going to happen, you shouldn't have mixed that. These are the trucks in question. No, I just googled a bunch of free tracks with flags on them because I thought it was funny. I was about to say. So, you know, Glacier
Starting point is 00:20:44 tries to sue them for intentionally destroying property, but they can't do it. The National Labor Relations Board is supposed to determine those things. The Supreme Court takes up an appeal of an appeal of an appeal. And affirms their right to sue the union for the lost product. And this is going to be pretty ugly if you strike in any facility where, you know, the product goes bad, which is one of them in one way. You know, like all of the, yeah, yeah, like I don't know a slaughterhouse. That's not gonna be very good.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Meat packing in general, you're not, you effectively can't go and strike like food industry. You know, if you're any out all the food industry, yeah, agriculture even, I mean my god. You ever think about how that dude that was like going to go and assassinate Brett Kavanaugh and like went to his house to assassinate him and then outside his house changed his mind because he got like God anxiety and like handed himself into the cops. You ever think about that? You think about how Ruthway againstberg like refused to
Starting point is 00:21:44 resign for like eight years and then immediately after doing that officiated a wedding when she got COVID and died. Yes. And then you know what else? You know what else? This was an eight to one decision. Yeah. Thanks.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Who was the one descent? Kentagey Brown Jackson. Okay. Well, thanks. Who is the one to send? Kintaji brand Jackson. Okay, well, thanks. I mean, it's almost a ziff and pardon me for doing a bit of Marxist analysis, but it's almost a ziff. Oh, Lord is like supporting a bourgeois ideology when the material facts clash with the ideology, the ideology wins.
Starting point is 00:22:20 That's crazy how that works. You know, the law and its majestic equality prevents both the rich and the poor from striking. I am gonna light. No, no, no, I've learned. Yeah, pure fucking evil. A ball is just a Supreme Court. I...
Starting point is 00:22:42 Yeah. String them up like, yeah, it doesn't matter. You're not gonna say you could start start dumping your bad batches at the front of the Supreme court. Yes. So I like stuck into the swallow. I mean, that's something that they do, they do it in the Netherlands and like France and shit is like when when you know, whenever the like bourgeois get angry and whenever
Starting point is 00:23:02 like farmers go on strike or whatever, the first thing they do is turn the slurry spreaders on government buildings. Well, they should have the wrong reasons, but no loads refuse. That's right. That's super cool building. You look like shit anyway. Cover it in poop. That is the best form of protest you know what we think about this. It's what you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:23:28 I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:23:37 I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm not sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:49 The important thing is, you know what we think about this. It's what you might call an intellectual lacuna, right? Where we know what we think about this, but we cannot say what we think about this. So yeah. Yeah. You know, there are big sensors. I have a bunch of people for posting bail and the stop cop city protests. Yeah. So about your ability to protest.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Don't get too excited about that poop or otherwise. I've already shipped myself with an interest. What's going to happen is, as I understand it, if anybody, like, if any little, like, network of activists or whatever wants to do anything nice for you to help facilitate your process, like, for instance, posting bail for you, uh, the, uh, the state attorney general and the like, you know, county, like attorney or whatever will come together to arrange to have SWAT raid your house and then have you arrested on widely and immediately publicized charges of fraud and organized crime just to like totally discredit you
Starting point is 00:25:00 financially. What? Yeah, no, they took three, three leaders of the, I think it's the Atlanta Solidarity Fund. I can't remember the name of it. Yeah. And they arrested them on RICO basically, saying that they had done widespread charity for them by running a bail fund. And yeah, it's, it's, the lawyers are all like all like we don't this is insane. Doesn't really have to prove it. It's just like it's it's prosecutorial and police harassment because. Well, and the thing also that's like the concerning thing here is that there's already been like what you know basically looks like a protestor execution. There's not obviously ever going to be any proof of this, but they're, um, they want to kill that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, the, the, that person was on their knees and, you know, riddled with bullets through all of their body,
Starting point is 00:25:55 when they were murdered by cops, while protesting without any weapons on them. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it was awful. and then they've already charged like 40 people with terrorism Why basically as it means like for protesting they've charged them with like domestic terrorism so that they can't post bail and can't leave jail That's convenient Yeah, and so like and the the judge that went and heard all the bail hearings like even legal observers they had kept locked up the judge that when heard all the bail hearings, like even legal observers, they had kept locked up from what I remember. So it's already been like, wow, that's some really fascists. I mean, the whole thing that they're trying to build here too is literally like this 80 acre
Starting point is 00:26:34 the cop training facility. Yeah, it's basically like how to quail a riot in like a training facility. So and I think it's built on like protected environmentally important land. It's it's a whole thing is a nightmare and this is like the next level of oh the nightmare can actually get worst worst. So this is just I don't know what's going to happen with this. I said that the the three people that were charged are going to be in front of a judge on Thursday and they probably will deny them bail and everybody's gonna be too scared to bail them out. Anyway, even if they were a lot to be bailed out because Apparently running a bail fund is now illegal. Yeah, they can we do it. That'd be pretty funny. We had to probably go down there and then get arrested. They're like, well, that would be pretty funny. And we did that. We like have to become like bail bondsman and woman. Yeah, just give us give us your deathbrattle in 1997, Chevy Cavalier and you two can be free on bail.
Starting point is 00:27:39 I think this is maybe not our best business decision, but I do think it would be funny. So it's yeah, we make business decisions based on what would be funny. You know this. I'm going to unscrew one of the four screws holding those hard drives up. Please stop. Please stop. I'm begging you to out there. Also, they also recently determined that this thing is like massively over budget and the initial projections of costs are a lie. It's going gonna be like $200 billion. So there's more money for that, don't worry. Anyway, there's the thing that's like-
Starting point is 00:28:08 I suggest this is a news item and I have absolutely nothing that I can even imagine riffing on with it because it is like literally one of the most bleak things I've seen in a while. I mean, it is the most concerning step towards like complete fascism where you cannot even defend those accused that has happened in quite a bit I think yeah self. Yeah America Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:33 hooray for the the the justice of Georgia Great for such that it is. Yeah, of course. I thank God for Robert Miller and the rule of law I mean, I feel Sophocles about this like the you know the justice the criminal justice system of Georgia has been used for worse before and Doubtless will be used for worse subsequently It's just another it's another long step in like I don't I don't know if it's a road to something or road from something I don't fucking know. It's just bad, you know. Yeah, it's just a pretty bad pretty bad. I think that um,
Starting point is 00:29:12 You know stuff should work better than it does. I would like to improve society somewhat And I have this manure spread of the life you live in society. That is now a crime. So stop doing that You're not allowed to even want to try to improve society. That is now a crime. So stop doing that. You're not allowed to even want to try to improve society. That's actually illegal. Anyway, in much more concerning news, I'm certain that a couple of right wing dipshits went to give college commencement speeches and were yelled at. So free speech is over because of that. Yeah, it's the end of the evening. Please don't pay attention to it. Congratulations and well done to the Antifa Thugs who listened to our podcast for shutting down freedom of speech and legitimate debate.
Starting point is 00:29:51 We salute you and all of your efforts. Yes. It's Graham, isn't it? That was. Yeah, that was the goddamn news. All right, we got to talk about what is an engine. What is it sucks? It squeezes it bangs and it blows. That's what it is.
Starting point is 00:30:17 I should call her. Losing the thread of it. Yeah, sucks. It squeezes it. Fuck. It like it does to squeeze it. It doesn't ask to mouth. Not really sure what that has to do with propelling the cob, but it's in there. Do you do. Is it cool if I go into this or Justin to go out and take it? I feel we're doing the what is it? What is the engine without letting Justin do it?
Starting point is 00:30:46 That's his, that's my comfort voice is Justin explaining things to me. That's all you have to do, I don't have a cross. It's like entirely marooned you on this one. Like, all right. Well, specifically we got to discuss what a diesel engine is. So it's a modified combustion motor.
Starting point is 00:31:11 It was invented in 1893 and first implemented in 1896. It is the most thermally efficient method of combustion motor that we've ever developed. And so the thing is, is like in a traditional gasoline combustion motor, there is a spark plug. So something actively ignites the fuel that is put into the cylinder. The resulting explosion shoves the piston down
Starting point is 00:31:34 and then you get a power stroke. And that's how you propel things. Oh, yeah. And this is one German dude, like red enough thermodynamics to go, wait a second, we don't need this shit because if you like squeeze hard enough the thing just explodes on its own except he was he was kind of yeah if you get that right if you get that really really
Starting point is 00:31:55 really pretty poochie you too yes yeah the pistols yeah but his original his original theory was wrong by the way He like misunderstood the thermodynamics behind it. And like his original design, which he patented, would have required like this huge, huge pressure, like, you know, that was totally unsustainable in order to like, you know, work with the temperature and generate temperature required. When he found out that that was wrong and like figured out what he needed to do to make it work, he changed it, but because his patent was already in, he didn't tell anyone.
Starting point is 00:32:29 So for the whole time he was alive, the insistence was that the diesel engine worked by magic, which I really like as a piece of like, legal. I appreciate that. It's like, no, no, it does work by the like, did thing that's been discredited. Do not check.
Starting point is 00:32:44 Do not open it up and check Hey, that's Close it up But yeah, so so yeah instead of a spark basically it just pressurizes things pressurizes a high Seatain fuel in this case diesel fuel nice heavy Where it just did gross sort of like? in this case diesel fuel. Nice heavy fuel. Like the gross sort of like, you know, like bunker fuel.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Hey, but the good news is it means that fucking. It tastes much worse. Yeah, it tastes much worse. It doesn't like explode as readily outside of an engine, which is fun. It doesn't burn as readily as that. Yeah, it can. Now, and it's also like, it because it's based on
Starting point is 00:33:24 just like compression and heat, it's actually like stupidly efficient. And it's also, it's interesting too, because you don't actually, you can just turn on your intake, and it just gets constant air. You only adjust power through adjusting the amount of fuel that's actually dumped into the cylinder, because it doesn't have to mix or anything. There's no like, you don't have to aerosolize it and get thorough like compost, you know, whatever it just explodes when you pressurize it, make it hot. So it's like relatively mechanically simple in that regard.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Apart from the fuel and that. And they also, and which Mercedes will like to apply to a petrol engine. Yeah, that sounds about right. They would do that. Yeah. And then also there's no electronics required to operate them. So like if you, I have owned one, well, I've owned two diesel cars in my life. The first one I owned was a 1983 Mercedes Benz 300 turbo diesel, the W123. Oh, yes. It was, I bought it from a dude who lived literally in a swamp in Texas, who was listening to Alex Jones when I rolled up to buy it. He only owned diesels, mostly Mercedes-Benz's, because he was insistent that if there was a nuclear war,
Starting point is 00:34:34 the resulting EMPs would still allow him, like they wouldn't affect his diesels. He gets still there after that. But it will not matter, I can promise you that. Yeah, he lived very close to Houston, next to a bunch of very strategic oil refineries. He also had like an info worst sticker on the car when I bought it from him. It was the worst car.
Starting point is 00:34:53 It was the worst car I've ever owned by a large margin and that is an alarming statement. I understand it as a woman who has never bought a car. Every dude that you buy a car from is the weirdest dude in the world. Yes. Yeah. The guy I bought the replacement engine for the van from rolled up in a common swapped Chevy truck.
Starting point is 00:35:17 Fuck yeah. Oh my God. And he had, oh, it's gonna get worse. He had a rear window sticker that said, fuck off, we're full with the United States. And he, it was 7 a.m. and he's just, just packing a huge lip on my parents front lawn. Just like, uh, it's the motor, huh? Like, Laura's it down with the wishes. Alright, see you have a good day. And I'm like, what the,
Starting point is 00:35:39 it's 7 12 a.m. I got like, you're like, that, you're like, that. For like, what. Oh, bro. It's like, well, oh man. But yeah, so preppers and general maniacs love these. Well, not that I'm not really like that. That's just like, run on fucking anything. You can throw, I don't know, potato. That's, you can convert them to run on biodiesel, but the injectors are really finicky and we can get to that.
Starting point is 00:36:08 But you can't just like throw a bunch of burger grease on my dreams. Let me have my dreams. I will like let's fucking go. Going from the prior to the Mercedes like. Right. Of course. You can have you can have you can have it run to struck though. And you get more power and more pollution, which is good for you.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Yeah, you got to get that too struck with that grueling gun, piston, and toasty. That's one of the other ones. Outside, I want to mention, the other upside is that because of the compression and the sheer amount of force involved in shoving the piston down after this and the high compression ratios, these are run out. These usually make a fuck ton of torque. So like if you ever look at the specs for like a normal car, it's like, oh, it makes a 100 horsepower and 90 foot pounds of torque. If you look at the specs for a diesel car, it's like, oh, it makes 90 horsepower and 400 foot pounds.
Starting point is 00:36:58 So is why you use like a big amount of these and like, trucks, what, lor like, you know, they're like big truck trains, ships, yep, yep, yep. submarine. Well, another thing about submarines that's this very helpful is that with diesel, you can like charge like using charge of battery, then you use the battery. And then once you invent a snorkel, you can just like have an everything engine, her diesel engine underwater and just stick a big fucking exhaust out the top. I like the idea of inventing a snorkel. It's like it took us a long time to figure it out. I mean, I just could have a law. Stick up my new sound reading context. The snorkel had to be invented.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Well guys, what if we had a tube? It'll never work. The invention of the submarine's notebook was like a long and somewhat fraught process that started for some reason in the Netherlands. And one thing that it did fairly reliably was ruptured the entire crew's I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it.
Starting point is 00:38:16 I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. I'm not going to be able to do it. length of the boat as it like you know all of the air fucking shoots in down this snorkel. This has been submarine facts with Alice. Yes. My favorite part of any episode.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I just got a text that reads was King George the third the one during the revolution. Maybe we don't need school. Yes. Maybe we don't need school anymore. Maybe we don't need school. Yes. Maybe we don't need school anymore. Maybe we don't need school. They made that whole musical about it. It was Lynn Mann-Moham Miranda. I thought that's the example I was forced to use.
Starting point is 00:38:52 I'm not pleased. I'm not happy. Please continue, Victoria, while I imagine this gorilla grip, Gucci diesel just sucking me dry. That's all the upside. Well, the final other. just sucking me dry. That's all the upside-down. The next slide is absolutely going to be an Alice special interest one, because I don't really know a lot about the creator of the diesel, but Alice seems to. This is our special boy Rudolf.
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Starting point is 00:39:54 They have to be built much more like solidly, more rigidly if you will. And so you end up with these like these big heavy overbuilt cases because if you don't and you try and build them like a regular engine, they kill you. But the thing that I want to mention, these things are like the size of a room and they make like five horsepower.
Starting point is 00:40:13 Yeah, but also infinite torque. It's a very very slowly. I'm talking forever. Yeah, but the thing that I want to mention about Rudolf Diesel is that he was maybe murdered. He was like, it was 1913 and submarine diesels and marine diesels, particularly were very much info, he was like selling these around. And then he gets on the SS Dresden to go to England to go and meet with Royal Navy officers to discuss selling them diesels put in their submarines.
Starting point is 00:40:47 He has dinner and then he just disappears overnight. They like, he goes off the side of the boat. They find all of his like clothes and shit like neatly folded in his cabin. And like it's sort of a matter of debate whether or not he was like murdered maybe by the Germans maybe by like big oil Like a trade or industrial espionage thing Possibly I was murdered by big oil because they didn't want to have to sell the oil to people with the engines They want to be keep it all for themselves They were like only adopted to like keep it in the ground movement, you know
Starting point is 00:41:24 They were like early adopted to like keep it in the ground movement, you know? From what I've read of Rockefeller I'm currently reading a biography of him and I will say I would believe that I would believe that about John D. Rockefeller. It's absolutely fucking lunatic periods in weirdo But the other the other contentious that like maybe he was depressed and like His finances were fucked up and he like committed suicide and then kind of made it look as spooky as possible on the way out. I do kind of respect that. It's a great move, right? Between that and the insanely weird eyeglasses set up, he's got on here. And the moustache. I just, I really admire the dude. It looks like more of a statement than a question, sort of guy. Yes, but that's kind of the unique sometimes.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Also, I will say they found his body, but in like classic early 20th century fashion, they found his body at sea and they were like, ew, this is too gross. Go through his pocket and then kick him back over the side, which is what they did. That's not defined. They like found his wallet and then kick him back over the side. What? What they did? That's not identified. They like found his wallet and then they just put him back in. So it's like, that's how we know he died for sure. Um, well, I imagine we would probably know he died for sure because he would be very old by now.
Starting point is 00:42:41 He was already. Yeah, like a fucking AC in 58. So yeah, he would be pretty old by now. He was already up. I wonder if he was a boy like a fucking 1858. So yeah, he would be pretty old by now. Yeah, okay, guys, probably dead. Yeah. But that's the life and times and the death of Rudolph Diesel, which I just wanted to put in because it's so fucking weird. In many ways, he was kind of an engineering disaster himself. That's right.
Starting point is 00:43:05 It's an episode within an episode. Yeah, next next slide. I have nothing to add to that. I got no clue. The downsides of diesel engines. Now that he's dead, we can shit all over his invention. So obviously people like to roll coal with them. This is actually bad. Really?
Starting point is 00:43:26 But that makes you do business. You're doing business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It literally means that like your truck is not working right. But people like to actually put tunes on them, lead to incomplete combustion and like they run super rich just because they can.
Starting point is 00:43:42 So they waste a bunch of their own money to pollute the earth because they think that this owns the lips. That's the only reason that they do it. So in that like if you're driving behind one of these, mmm smells like benzene. Yeah, and generally speaking, diesels are not super clean. They have, they release different particulate emissions than gasoline motors, but they're all bad. Yeah, there's like, there are modern solutions for this, but like in the context of the olds, mobile diesel, in like the 70s, they had just invented like not dumping raw sewage
Starting point is 00:44:16 into rivers. Oh, that's coming back in the advanced environmental. The other thing I will say, oh yeah, that's right. It's sort of the modern, the modern problem that requires a modern solution of like diesel is also being very polluting. It's twofold. It's to like sell it as well, the diesel is more efficient, which means you're like putting less, you know, contaminants out into the environment. So that's like better in the long run. And the other answer is to cheat as VW did by installing like, you know, emissions, defeat devices that just lie about how much emissions the engine is. I knew when they were being tested.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah, because, yeah, because ultimately, you know, that the situation with diesel emissions is you got a lot more sulfur dioxide, you got a lot more nitrous oxides, and getting rid of those is very difficult, because you need very, very complete combustion, and that's not necessarily something a diesel engine wants to do. So, you know, these days you have these like modern solutions like either you put a a year rea solution in the engine that yeah, these diesel exhaust fluid is pissed. That's one option. The other one is the other one is you do diesel exhaust recirculation where you put some of the exhaust back in the engine that lowers the temperature of combustion, but it also increases the wear on the engine.
Starting point is 00:45:29 And that one is also not very good. But yeah, when you're talking about environmentally efficient diesels, you have two options which is drink the piss or half the life. And also, for life, there is another quirk of diesel exhaust recirculation, which I don't believe was ever actually tested, but this was a plan, sort of like pre-Golf War era, when people were like, our man was sending a lot of troops out in the desert, and they're all of their trucks and should have diesel, apart from like Abrams, which has like a jet turbine on it. What if you could like re-isolate clean drinking water out of their own
Starting point is 00:46:09 diesel exhaust, which sounds like a fucking nightmare, but it was something that was seriously considered by the US mail, and nothing came of it because it's a dreadful idea. You have, there would be almost, you'd get almost nothing. almost you get almost nothing you would get almost nothing Here's your thin boulevard to today like yeah exactly we got this out of a whole tank of diesel Yeah, so I mean it's worth noting that because of all of the reasons that we just explained Diesel's usually smell like shit Sound terrible, they have, yeah, they sound like you dropped a sack of cinder blocks into a clothes dryer. That is the best
Starting point is 00:46:50 analogy I could come up with. Some people read like loose screens. Oh, God, really? Yeah, that's why I dropped. Maybe what you got to do is you got to go into your computer case and you got to like unscrew a bunch of the hard I like one side it'll make it And it took our destiny with it so I don't have my local Okay, well the Zankas does you know gonna do something? Yeah, hopefully hopefully gonna. Yeah, yeah Some people like the sound of a diesel engine and those people are insane, but particularly like big, anyway. Yeah, some people like the sound of a diesel engine and those people are insane,
Starting point is 00:47:26 but particularly like big truck engines. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, if you're, so one of the key phrases in the automotive industry, of course, is NVH, noise, vibration, and harshness. Generally speaking, you want less of these. Diesel's actually just create all of those on their own.
Starting point is 00:47:44 So for like passenger cars, they're not really a great choice. If you don't enjoy the feeling of your car rattling itself to death at every traffic light. But if you want to, I mean, that's why people who, that's why they're used in like pick up trucks and stuff. Because until recently, pick up trucks are actually for work instead of for like, you know, urban cause players who under pretend they were John Wayne. So yeah, you know, they was kind of limited for that, you know, your injectors has mentioned earlier need to be super precise because fuel control is how you keep the engine running and how you adjust how powerful you're like, it's how you
Starting point is 00:48:21 adjust your throttle, your throttle position, adjusts fuel injection. And so if they are imprecise or contaminated, that's bad. It's also great if because of the way that the fuel influences how your throttle is at, if you have an external source of fuel, such as aerosolized gasoline or diesel or whatever. You can get a runaway diesel. Oh, no. So basically your intake just sucks up fuel mist and now you have no control over the diesel and it will just continue running until it literally explodes. This actually caused the 2005 Texas City refinery explosion. There like, they had a leak at the plant,
Starting point is 00:49:05 and there was a diesel truck parked nearby, and a diesel truck turned into a runaway, and it exploded, and then that caused a lot of it. I know. No, that would actually be a good disaster at some point. Well, in this case, there's an external combustion engine. But that's crazy. I don't like an engine that can like hang fire like that, you know, be a runaway. Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:49:28 Yeah, you can't actually and you can't like do anything about it So like if you're in you know if your injectors are for some reason just dumping maximum fuel You know you can just basically end up driving your car directly into a wall because It's really not much you can do at that point You actually need a special solenoid to turn off most's really not much you can do at that point. You actually need a special solenoid to turn off most diesel engines because you can't just like, they will just keep running at idle. So you have to like actively shut them off. And so if you that fails also, which my Mercedes Benz did, then you have a problem. You have the car that drives itself to death.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yeah, it's a diesel car. Oh, graves that's own demise. I want to say that happened to my granddad's you go. I hear the you goes diesel. Yes, yes. I actually like those another problematic opinion of my again, a whole I did a whole story Alice help me with I did a whole story for Jolopnik like last year about like Tito's Yugoslavia and like the dream of the dream of Yugoslavia and communism and the Ugo And it was like this big emotional piece I think like 16 It was really good go go go go find it and read it now, but yeah, I enjoyed being the uncredited like communism research assistant
Starting point is 00:50:44 But yeah, I enjoyed being the uncredited like communism research assistant I was the little Kelly communism consultant right Handing me one of those business cards Oh, yeah Yeah, other downsides of diesels is that the because of the compression nature around, it will also explode. I know that like hairline crack in the case, though. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Yeah, that's the intake valve exhaust valve on some diesel engine where it just couldn't handle it. It couldn't hang. This is why we don't have diesel F1 cars. It would be. It would be money to see that. I would love to see an event that was like part tractor pull, part F1 race. I watched that. Oh, there are like diesel, that's like diesel limon cars now though. Because like Audi was like very into them for a minute, I think. Yeah, because they, you know, they're willing to crank out
Starting point is 00:52:12 at their maximum RPM of 4,000 all day long. They just don't take them any higher than that. What you could do is you could just have it run at a cost in like 2000 RPM and have a chart turn a generator, right? And that charge is a battery. And then that then the electric motor is running a car, you know, a fucking reverse hybrid. Like a hot.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Yeah, it's exactly that's what I'm talking about here. The engine runs at maximum efficiency constantly in the powers delivered as needed. Pad and pending. Hybrid in service of the diesel engine. Is it really fucking all right next time please. I'm taking over. Okay. It's my podcast now. Oh, this is beautiful. Thanks. It's meaning for you.ush. You know, I love it. Yeah, it was, this is a 75 Honda Civic CVCC. So the second question we have to ask after asking,
Starting point is 00:53:13 what is a diesel engine? It's what is cafe? It's a place where you get to buy a corporate average. And you hang out with your friends. Talk about. Frosty, really. I like a milk drink. You know, yeah, I like a milk drink.
Starting point is 00:53:25 You know? Yeah, that's a word choice there. But it's a frothy and moist cafe. Okay, now you're on it. I guess. I just want my flat white, and I want to be left alone. Blue boils. Ow, blue boils.
Starting point is 00:53:41 I had a frothy dress, but I don't know. I hear it is. See that milky creamy froth is coming out. Oh, OK. Sorry, this is what you get for having two trans and then on the same podcast. I'm fine. I'm fine.
Starting point is 00:53:59 You're the one who's being weird about this. I was just referring to like a nice cappuccino or something. That's that's fine. I you can blame me. I will. I will be the child of almost for a royal Irish. Your problem. I think I think if the dynamic of this podcast
Starting point is 00:54:18 is requires one of us to get tortured forever, it's clearly Liam. Yeah, that's how it feels, maybe. Yep. Sometimes also Ross. Yeah, I was about to say milkshake just showed up. Oh, that bastard. Rathi and Milky. Yeah, and I just left never mind. Doesn't like being called frothy and Milky. I just like running away from people who love him. That was your fault. That's not the point.
Starting point is 00:54:44 Yep. Liam let milkshake actually. That's actually despite you. Oh, wow. Wow. What a way to find out. All right. Tell me about this beautiful yellow cop. Oh, okay. Corporate average fuel economy standards. The EPA introduced them in 75 when there was no oil because OPEC cut America off. And so the goal was to tell automakers to build fuel efficient cars. And they do this through manufacturer incentives. So basically, they set a target for your entire vehicle lineup offering for group MPG. And if you follow below that, then they find you. So there's no consumers aren't supposed to see it. The automakers can reach this group economy in any way that they want.
Starting point is 00:55:34 This has led to some really funny stuff. So if you remember like the Astin, I love the Astin, they put in V12 and one, and they only built one of those. They put a little racing point on it. Yeah, and that to me is the most fun you could have in a car. I really, I really want to drive it. Yeah, that would be, that's like a white whale review from me. I won't lie. Someone out of a hand-stabbed Martin headquarters. I think that's like a white whale review from me. I won't lie. Like someone out there has a Martin headquarter. I think it's like legitimately in private hands too.
Starting point is 00:56:09 Let us have it. Give it to us. Yeah. Yeah, that would be a, that would be a fun one. Because like even the, even the regularly were fun. Because it was just like a, it was a cyan IQ that they slapped at mustache. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Excuse me. It wasn't, it wasn't. And you know, they sold it for their fuel. It was a like a, it was a cyan IQ that they slapped a mustache. Yeah, excuse me. It wasn't. And you know, they sold it for their fuel. It was a VA, right? A VA, a VA, a 430 horsepower. Yeah. And like a little tiny smart car. The thing that I really like about the Aston Martin's
Starting point is 00:56:37 Signet is it was intended to like, you know, do the sort of loophole in this, which is you have one sort of like extremely low emissions car that like then offsets all of the others even if you don't sell it. But not only did they not sell it, but it wasn't even that cheap because putting all the Aston Martin parts on it, all of those were actually expensive. Like they had the fucking Aston Martin of holstery. They had the Aston Martin grill flowers and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it cost 50,000 like the dashboard and shit. And so like it was, I imagine a very nice place to be like the nicest
Starting point is 00:57:14 most luxurious possible version of a little like Ciccca, but it still costs like a shitload of money. Yeah, I think though they've since the US at least has since changed the laws. So like automakers that make below a certain number of cars don't have to meet any cafe. So like rich people can still buy cars that get eight miles a gallon and no, they don't have to worry about paying any fines or, you know, they they're their treats are preserved. It's the rest of us that
Starting point is 00:57:43 have to contend with it in our market. So the idea behind all of this was not necessarily build the signets, but build cars that maybe aren't huge fucking barges that get like 30 miles a gallon. So Honda built the Civic. This is kind of when Honda took off in the US. They had this really novel CVCC engine design that used, it had a pre-combustion chamber, so it had extremely efficient fuel combustion. So its particular emissions were incredibly low, and it could run on either let it or unleaded gas. Because the big problem in the early days of cafe was that catalytic converters, which used
Starting point is 00:58:22 to be this big, I'm making a very large size with my hands, and very wildly inefficient, would clog on let it gas. And this was sort of as in the middle of the phase out. So, you know, you weren't with your fuel shortages already, so like being able to run on both was this huge boon. So Honda took like the very smart solution, and this is like more or less with the car that started the company in the States. Other companies decided to do things that were a little bit less tricky about it. Next slide please.
Starting point is 00:58:56 This one's me. So I thought I would contextualize a little bit because we mentioned the oil crisis. That's sort of like setting in terms of time is like, you know, the 70s, the late 70s after the oil crisis. And one of the things is we've got to go two for two on American car episodes featuring American manufacturers getting their shit kicked in by VW and panicking because American manufacturers get their shit kicked in by VW and panicking, because American manufacturers get this shit kicked in by VW. VW has been making these all since like 76. In particular, you have this rabbit here
Starting point is 00:59:33 with a very, very efficient diesel engine, which has very good mileage, and you can see that they're selling it on that basis. And once again, the quirky fucking think different ads. Which Americans, it seems to love, at least in the 70s. And so they buy this instead of, you know, the giant barge and this scares the absolute fuck
Starting point is 00:59:59 out of every American car maker. That's on the note of, on the note of Volkswagen ad campaigns. Do you remember the unpimp your ride? Oh, Oh, yes, that was actually a formative thing in mind. So when I was a kid because I was extremely straight and had and heterosexual and cisgender, I was like a four year old boy that absolutely adored Volkswagen Beatles in the most outrageous colors. You could get them in. And so like I had like VW advertisements on the brain all the time. And so I remember that one coming out and I was like, Oh my God, GTIs are cool now. I should get one of these.
Starting point is 01:00:36 I'm holding her up. I was like, he's the either. GGS of Osborne called. I'm not. Yeah, that's why I've had it weird. Again, that's that one falls into the category of fetish because I'm kind of ashamed that I like him so much. Again, see, like you're like, I have a couple of like problematic car fetishes like, you know, like VWs, as opposed to Hitler. I mean, I guess a VW kind of is the Hitler car, but it VW a kind of is the like, a proximate sense, let's say, I can't imagine Hitler being driven
Starting point is 01:01:08 around in like an open top VW. Like that's that's kind of fucked to me. Now he'd make one of his aids do then. Yeah, like four or five places down in the motorcade and the quality car drops are like the different vodka. Like the fun. Yeah, exactly. You know, sometimes sometimes after the first, the front of the motorcade is past, you
Starting point is 01:01:32 start just seeing Volkswagen Beetles with increasingly small ones with increasingly large men in them. You're doing the sort of like Nazi version of Kremlinology where you're trying to like judge where people are in the polypuro based on whether they have like a zero or a chica. Be like exactly have a VW or a Mercedes. Oh, that's a cursed awesome that history timeline. Anyway, that's my little like my little Hitler car fact. I wanted to show off a quirky little VW ad, which is this the best mileage chicken.
Starting point is 01:02:08 They've always been good. That's the thing. Yeah, lemon. They've always been good. I saw somebody who actually hit down a room in their house with like old VW ads. And it was actually a very cute and to your design decision. I actually quite liked it. So that is that has my stamp of approval for for decoration. It's interesting how many like mine were going line we're gonna get to something way worse. Yeah, let's go. past that you're already listening to. People are annoyed by these, so let me get to the point. We have this thing called Patreon, right?
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Starting point is 01:03:23 Join at patreon.com forward forward slash WTYP pod. Do it if you want. Or don't, it's your decision and we respect that. Back to the show. Oh, now they're talking about different visual languages and advertising, the last one. They're also about different visual languages and advertising. The last one, they're talking about the kind of like font and like funny copy writing thing that like now all marketing and trying to bring back this not so much big magazine
Starting point is 01:03:56 spread of check it out. I've seen different models. Why the fuck do you even make 19 different models? They look so different, right? They're all they're all the same car. He'd be a general motors for anologist even tell them apart. Yeah, oh my GM has a slavic brain pan. Oh no. Yeah, so so you know, Honda did the very efficient pre-combustion chamber and, you know, smart use of small cars. VW has these little efficient diesels that put around town.
Starting point is 01:04:31 General Motors doesn't have anything like this because they've been building giant cars since roughly World War II when they don't know how to stop. They are a day love it. Yeah, they literally, if they look at a car that is not body on frame, they kind of pull up their skirt and jump on a chair like a 50s house wife that just saw Doesn't like can't over 45 degrees like my hard drives when you take a slight Yeah, yeah, I think you use a case that has body roll. Stop it. It's actually held up by the gyroscopic stability of our dreams.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Stop it, God damn it. No thing stops spinning. It falls down. The other bracket on the other side is like too far away. And I don't, I don't, and do they make wider hard drives? I don't know what eat. Did you install a 2.5 inch drive. I don't know what that means. I lose you sometimes when you do these things to me. You need a bigger, bigger hard drive. You need some like a size of a record. I'll do IBM once. Yeah. Yeah. could use, you could use like a laser disc as a card.
Starting point is 01:05:45 I can't like get in there and get like a piece of like wood or something just to prop it up. Yeah. Get that's not like what, yeah, that might work. Yeah, I'm, I'm so angry. I think it's about the sort of like distance off of the, like bottom of the frame that I could use like an old coat can or something. I don't want to be very. I use sorts of static. It's just your hard drive.
Starting point is 01:06:15 It's the truth. I love that. That's I used to prop up my air conditioner. Yeah. See, just in a matter of one mind on this one. Yeah, but I wasn't I was less worried about the air conditioner than I would be about hard drives. Fine. You couldn't figure out the gap. I think I might have some plywood if you needed.
Starting point is 01:06:36 That's perfect. Yeah. I'll get some measurements. You can go ship some plywood international. 200 dollars of shipping for one like two by four. All right, so tell me about their 19 different models somehow. It was about to say I think we're here to talk about cars. Oh, yeah. Sorry about that.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Time we got ten slides. We have more many more than ten slides. I can't imagine. Um. We have more many more than 10 slides. I'm trying to sense it. So 73, 74 OPEC cuts the America off and GM has to decide how they're going to pass this new slate of cafe legislation that's coming up and also not make cars that get eight miles of gallons so people actually buy them. So they think to themselves like, oh, diesel,
Starting point is 01:07:26 in the 70s, the regulations were a lot less strict for emissions. So they could still pollute, which was important. They inherently get better fuel efficiency. And they're not like anything crazy expensive to make. Did GM already make steels? So they go to their truck lineup and all those are huge and disgustingly dirty. Like they still won't pass 70 submissions
Starting point is 01:07:51 and they're just wildly, wildly huge for a car like this. Even even these barges would not hold one of those. They go to your opinion. Actually, that sounds pretty fucking cool. Yeah, that would be pretty good, actually. Yeah, so they go to GM Europe with like Opal and Vox Hall and whatever. I don't know what the hell Europe has.
Starting point is 01:08:13 And then they pull over some of their like, you know, small diesel engines that are in the coups and stuff over there. And the engines are actually not powerful enough to move an old mobile. So they have to, so there's two options here. They can either make the car smaller, which is obviously not gonna happen.
Starting point is 01:08:31 That's what would've been said. Make the engine bigger. There we go. Liam is correct. So what they do is they take the 5.7 liter V8 that they've been building since 1967. It is basically, you know, it's the general motor's engine. It is the Chevy 350. It is God's own motor. And
Starting point is 01:08:53 they're just like, what if we just convert this to run on diesel instead of like building a whole new engine? So we find force dieselification. Yes. Yes. Oh, we threw away all of the gasoline engines diesel diesel wear this dress. Diesel. Diesel. Force fam us. Diesel. Diesel. These are sort of the like made dress of internal combustion engines. Yes. Oh. Liam, you okay? Yeah, I just need to grow it. It's really. Yeah, just being gross really. You know, like getting your revenge for the, you know, hard drive. I just, what I don't understand, right, is that there are, I'm picturing, I need to actually just see a picture of your, of your set.
Starting point is 01:09:38 No, no, no, yeah, don't how I like to me, no, send it to me, because I think I know with the product, but like, I don't want to help you because I'm so upset Like I want the hard drive to just come down like the twin towers and and just wipe out all your save files because that's what you deserve. That's sure I just I don't understand why you do this to me when I show you nothing but love You're just like, haha this will upset me I'm fucking This I don't know what you want me to do it doesn't meet with the like screws on the other side like I see that's my problem How does it not me I just doesn't it doesn't fit like it's aha
Starting point is 01:10:20 I think you're using a 2.5 in stride that you think is a 3.5 in stride I don't know what that means I think you're using a 2.5 inch drive that you think is a 3.5 inch drive. I don't know what that means. I think, okay, so laptops use 2.5 inch drives. And most SSDs come in 2.5 inch drive. Hold on a minute, hold on a minute. I'm going to go and I'm going to look on the like receipt from the hard drive store to see what I bought because I don't remember what was. What was?
Starting point is 01:10:46 I went to the hard drive. No, this is a three. That is my desire. Yeah. And it doesn't reach there's a good inch on one side. Oh, you know why? Because you're trying to put it into five and a half in strived Bay, Alice. Well, that's the only drive bay that there is
Starting point is 01:11:02 like, should I just let it it be like loose on the case adapter? Get an adapter. Get a 3.5 inch to 525 and a quarter inch adapter. They sell them, they're 12 bucks. You have the money. Do what I say. three three and a half inch. We'll adapt to two five point two five inch three point five to two five point two five inch adapter they sell them. I know they do because I had to use them in server built.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Okay. Okay. What about cars? What about cars? No, you're being held captive. I'm sorry. I don't have any other plans. Shut up. I genuinely, Ross, I have never had more respect for your job than I do. Oh, it's possible. Yeah. I don't know why you keep this podcast even remotely on track. He doesn't. definitely remotely. He doesn't. He did. I mean, he kind of does though. Like I'm I try. It's incredible. I could never be a podcast wrangler, a podcast tricks, if you will. Well, well, I was just finding a hard drive adapter. I'm just going gonna just the old mobile diesel. The thing actually fucking works, they make a 5.7 liter diesel V8. And in 1978, they take all 19 different models of the old
Starting point is 01:12:33 mobile cinematic universe, plopped this motor in. It gets 21.4 combined miles per gallon. And the Delta 88 actually moves under its power. Damn. And they also, they also sell it in a few Pontiacs, and they even sell it in a Cadillac. Because Mercedes-Benz has diesels. Whoa, do you have sales numbers for those Cadillacs?
Starting point is 01:12:56 I do not. But I got two of the adapters, fuck you. Thank you, thank you. So, and the Cadillac I assume is launched directly to compete with Mercedes turbo diesels, right? Yeah, absolutely. Of course, it's worth noting. There's no. I was just going to ask you, I figured they were just like, no, drop it in fuck you. You get what you get. Yeah, I'm actually looking it up right now, a curbside classic, which is a site that relatively trusts for their numbers.
Starting point is 01:13:27 They said it sold pretty well. I don't know what that means. Yeah, I mean, apparently, American consumers were like big into them. Masades was the one to like really sell. That would make sense to me because like, okay, gas is $900 million. Well, it's the 70s. So it's only 45 cents. But that's still a big car. Like you still like big executive mobile. Right. So what you do is you invest in some like German precision because it's been long enough that like, you know, your dad might like not talk to you
Starting point is 01:14:03 for a bit because you bought a Nazi car You know and you know those motherfuckers were shooting at him in the wall, but like other than that like whatever Yeah, I mean, I Go ahead. Yeah, it's worth noting if you're a business owner in the 70s and even today And you'd want to look like you still belong to America. You do actually still have to buy an American car. Like I know a guy who, you know, runs an electric, an electric full company. I don't know. He's a multi-millionaire.
Starting point is 01:14:32 And he's only ever driven jeeps because it would be a bad look for him to get anything that was imported. So, you know, the Cadillac is like, would you like all of the refinement of a Mercedes-Benz or Mercedes-Benz diesel? Which, ah, yes. Yeah, my granddad, if you would like all of the refinement of it, but it's for cities, but it's for cities, which, ah, yes.
Starting point is 01:14:45 Yeah, my, my, my granddad, if you would like us, if you would like us, if you would like us, my granddad would only buy American cars until he bought the Hugo, which was the worst decision at, and I thought,
Starting point is 01:14:55 Volvo. No, no, no, then he went back to American cars for a while, which all died on him, and then he got the robo. I knew that. Yeah, let's go, bless you, Ross is Grand Power, wherever you are.
Starting point is 01:15:06 And you're insane car purchase like history. Yeah. Yeah. Like dad had a 1950, no, a 63 bell air that he bought for $12. Because the floor had rusted out. Many such cases. You don't need a floor. This saves weight, but yeah. Yeah, so this car was supposed to be,
Starting point is 01:15:39 this was gonna be how GM moved into the 80s. This was their corporate strategy was actually not fully dependent on this, but this was like a big deal for them. So next slide, please. There we go. Thank you. This is actually the car. It's taking it in the ass. Yeah, I was going to say that's a fascinating place to put your fuel tank cap valve thing. This is pretty ironic. I would say. Yeah, it's sensual, isn't it?
Starting point is 01:16:09 It's very interesting. I feel like I shouldn't be seeing this on the first date. No, exactly. Very much a great way to avoid speed cameras. That's true. If you get a buy-in, things are a little diesel. Yeah. It's rotating around to give like a new license plate, you know.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Yeah, so that's that is actually how you refuel one of these. This is the one that I actually, you know, had on that trip. I took I wrote it. I didn't actually drive it much, but I wrote it. It's pretty fucking cool. And get that gorgeous. Yeah, I mean, it's That's pretty fucking cool. And that goal just shows you around. Yeah, I mean, it's one of the only ones left. For reasons I can very, you'll understand very shortly. But they sold 120,000 of these in the first year.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Wow. Initial surveys of owners showed that they were like overwhelmingly happy with them because they had, you know, the thing that's important to note is, you know, these things sound like shit on the outside. Every time we followed this car, I literally started wheezing. It was the smelliest diesel engine I have ever experienced. If you were a little inside of it, you're fine, but like the guy behind you is like, yeah, the guy behind you is currently like debating whether to file a Geneva Convention's
Starting point is 01:17:27 complaint against you for illegal use of like respiratory weapons. Oh, did you get the plate? No, it was there were not there was flattened down that couldn't do the plate. Damn, I guess nothing's going to happen. She haven't really said a cap. So yeah, it's been like inside, it's relatively smooth. It's just as comfortable as every other old mobile from the late 70s, which is extremely, it's fucking sweet.
Starting point is 01:17:56 The light with wheels. The most fun. Yeah, my buddy had a bottle of ill and high school and that thing was absolutely stupidness. You could have skinned and deer in there. Yeah, I had a friend with those who would be helpless. Josh Munson had a normal bill. He'll see a 94 cutlet supreme. And whenever you turn the stereo on all the flashers came on too because he wanted it wrong. Great car. Who's some whippers in the back rattling that
Starting point is 01:18:29 fucking thing? I remember that. It was it. It was actually illegal car. It was actually illegal to not drive this with an open container. Oh, yeah. It's just simple. It would be like, where's your beer? Cover, we got to tell me where I can't to camp smoke as I do laps laps as I do toe nuts in
Starting point is 01:18:46 in an elementary school parking what? I have to smoke it. It's like that post yeah. Has the exorbing thing. It has to be broken in. Yeah. Has he broken in? Yeah. So, Son, have you been drinking the noise? Okay. Why not? You got a gun? You're gonna need one. I'll go. I'll be right back.
Starting point is 01:19:13 Oh my God. Yeah. So, so everybody was actually pretty pleased with them and they were great cars for drinking. I'm in the episode now. Always drink the drive. No, we can't shut up. I'm gonna try to look in the episode now. No, we can't shut up. Don't you have properly been on a hard drive about it? Maybe I will. Maybe, I'm... So much like... Much like Alice's hard drives.
Starting point is 01:19:36 She has made this questionable decisions when engineering can suffice. Oh, no. So these engines are very high pressure. I think I could stress that enough in this episode, I think I've said it 50 fucking times. General Motors somehow forgot this. I have a point question when you say this.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Are they consistent high pressure or is it like variable or is it like just all the time super high pressure? It's on the all-per-time list. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, now I feel stupid. Yeah, I was just making sure, because it feels like a good way. I, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Nah, I feel stupid. Yeah, I was just making sure,
Starting point is 01:20:05 because it feels like a good way. I think about, and this is probably not related, but you know, obviously, the way the Mazda rotary engines would shake themselves apart, the wine cools, yeah. Yeah. No. Okay, no, tell me. No, they didn't shake themselves apart.
Starting point is 01:20:19 So the problem with the Mazda Rotaries was that you have like a shit ton of wear surfaces because you're all right. The sea of wires. the sea of wires. The sea of wires. The sea of wires. original ones were like a graphite seal that was failing within like 20 or 30,000. Wow. That actually, there will be a segue for that later. There's actually both Mazda and this car caused another company to succeed, which is wild. Like where they failed others saw profit because capitalism is the most efficient system. Anyway, in this incredibly efficient capital system, general motor is decided to not reinforce the head mold. So when you got an engine, you've made it more rigid. That's where like the bottom
Starting point is 01:21:14 that's where like that's where the bottom and all your roting assembly, you know, pistons, you know, you had where it's like the valve train and all that stuff is. So the use head bolts to connect the two, they put four torqued to yield ones on every head, which was not anywhere near enough. And so they would either stretch out, which caused the head gasket to fail, and then coolant and oil mixes inside everywhere. It's not supposed to be a destroyer engine, or they would just snap. Yeah, or they would just snap. And then that would destroy your engine or they would just snap yeah or they would just snap and then that would destroy your engine
Starting point is 01:21:45 just like all modes so this is yeah the engine you know the head just pops off your loser's own compression the car is dead so you know you just got your 20,000 mile old mobile diesel and you're probably pretty pissed because it just exploded so you take it to the dealership and none of the mechanics there have ever touched a diesel engine in their whole song. What am I? Farmer. So rock What do you take me for? I Yeah, so I'm going to I'm going to type a joke.
Starting point is 01:22:14 I do like big block gasoline engines only. Yeah, that was fast. God. Sorry, Liam. I didn't mean that. What was the fucking job? I was going to be it.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Is it what do I look like? Well, it's sort of John queer trash or mechanic. Yeah. I didn't want to be I didn't want to be rude. See, I mean, I think about the like homophobic truck owner memes all the time. They're like, Hey, you can't park your Ford out here. People with people think it's a gay bar, what does Dodge stand for, dick on dick gay entertainment?
Starting point is 01:22:49 Dick on dick gay entertainment. What worries me is how ready Raz was with that. Construct elaborate rituals of homophobia in order to like sexually harass out the man interesting Yeah, I love a homopobic truck on a meme and I think that fits entirely with Somebody has to do some sort of what's it what's an anthropological study called? Probably an anthropological study. There's a word for it. Yeah Okay there's a word for it. Yeah. Okay. I mean, if you do it just for one person, it's called stalking. So like, don't do that.
Starting point is 01:23:34 I don't know. A lot of people feel that it's on like with your roof. A ethnography. Well, ethnography. You know, do an ethnography on like the kind of guy who posts dick on dick guy entertainment or like, you know, at least a feminine. I was about to say, okay, if John Quare is something, what's the one for like international harvester? international international dick sucker. I don't know international carver start dude Oh my god. Yeah
Starting point is 01:24:11 We're treading dangerously close to just creating a bend garrison comic here Just labeling everything or in Orlando We're still top of the Hoppest to feel like give us the come Do you Do you I had to explain to my dad what I do for a living, getting milked by the tractor.
Starting point is 01:24:31 Yes. I didn't use the phrase getting milked by the tractor. No. Now I, hi, my parents who do listen to this show. What's up? Please don't disown me. I'm gonna have to warn my mom before she listens to this one.
Starting point is 01:24:54 I feel like that's been a theme when I come on the show. I apologize. I'm not coming. Maybe. Prince, I like it. This one wasn't even on me. It was like hot dicks. Which I didn't even know that Jackran him. You didn't know that dick on dick guy entertainment. I mean, that's like classic.
Starting point is 01:25:10 No, that feels homophobic. Oh, it is. It is. It's very. No, I was saying not knowing about it feels also homophobic. That's also true. Yeah. I'm taking steps to educate myself this prying.
Starting point is 01:25:22 Okay. I'm trying to end a respectful dialogue with my own community. It's just a truck. It's just a queue and a beer like lecturing yourself of like Dodge Rams. The GMC has a gay man's car. What do you, this is not Dodge. Dodge Rams by a dude in a Sonic parking lot. All right, let's.
Starting point is 01:25:43 Dodge Ram by a dude in a Sonic parking lot. All right, let's. Um, yeah, the old mobile diesel thing, which is, yeah, honestly, at this point seems less entertaining than coming up with acronyms for automakers. Um, we need one for old mobile. We can get on that in a minute. Uh, yeah, so the motors would explode after you fixed them. That's, that's more or less the story here is that dealership mechanics had no idea how to work in a diesel.
Starting point is 01:26:04 And they would do the same thing that the factory did. Oh, you know, torque them to do lemon loss to this point. We're getting to that. It's so good. So yeah, so, you know, either way you either remote explodes or, you know, the head fails very slowly and so then, you know, your bearings and camp shafts all get destroyed. You probably need a new engine. So next slide, please. then your bearings and camshafts, I'll get this right, you probably need a new engine. So next slide, please. Thank you. This is from the road trip and one of the many times the car overbladed. Waiting, waiting to blow up and cause a problem. I did not, so we drove a couple of places through the continental divide through some
Starting point is 01:26:46 roller areas. This was at the top of a 7,200 foot high mountain pass. Yeah, it looks like you didn't think the car was going to make it. It looks like you made it sad. Yeah, it was, it was in an adventure. So we're not done with all the things that will kill this car though because like if it was just the head, that wouldn't be an engineering disaster, we've got more. So this car has like very rudimentary EGR exhaust gas recirculation for emissions, which I think Ross talked about earlier where you kind of put some of the exhaust back into the motor.
Starting point is 01:27:19 It's a little bit more efficiently. Yeah, you're a part of the far. Yeah. Yes. And so like you need diesel-readed oil for this because it needs to have a certain composition to not kill the engine. No one carried diesel oil at this time in America because why would you? I mean, you could go to a Mercedes-Benz dealership and get some, but like this, your average, your old, your old, your old, your old guy. You're going to feel like very insecure.
Starting point is 01:27:43 All of these dudes have to like, 1980s executive haircut. They're all wearing like pinstriped suits and like talking on their like early, implausibly large cell phones. And they're like, yeah, if you can sell you some, yeah, some oil for your little American shit box, if you like, I guess, you get like an interview, you get like a calm box about that shit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I'd a cum talks about that shit, you know. Yeah, yeah, I'd get a complex about that.
Starting point is 01:28:08 Do I like the parts you mean to my life are looking for a third? I don't like to party. I like to drink. I like to drink on my deck. I'll load in the dark. Thank you. So yeah, so you know, you get to use the red right oil if you don't change it frequently enough and I mean 3000 miles like on the fucking dot. This was not a car you could be like ah, I'll do it next week You'd get sit build up if this would kill a car It did not have a water separator. So at the time diesel fuel was you know for cavemen and The diesel was really shitty. So it had water mixed in and it was full of garbage.
Starting point is 01:28:46 Water causes the injectors to and all of the seals basically throughout the entire fuel system to slowly eat away at themselves and fail. This $10 part the GM skimped out on meant that any one you know a couple of bad Phillips and your car is dead. This kills the car. That was that that that also got a lot of, yes, this kills the car. The main very like for two short the crab. So mean like what this is is us off the front of the car, the engine by this kills the car.
Starting point is 01:29:21 So the main carrying cap bolts were too short because they just, I don't know, I don't know if it was a money thing or a laziness like they didn't test this thing at all. They had it ready in five years after, you know, because they started developing it in 73. It was on sale by 78. I don't think anybody actually turned one on until they sent it to a dealership. So when the bolt caps yours and you know, that kills the car.
Starting point is 01:29:43 The timing chain was an incredibly robust design that somehow managed to stretch itself out like you know, hell dentase spaghetti keeping the car running. It would actually live through this. No, it lives. The car lives, but it just runs like shit the entire time because now it's not like time. I found a quote from Hot Rod magazine, which rose about this
Starting point is 01:30:03 engine, about the typical sort of failure pattern here. And this is about the water separates it largely. Any moisture or dirt that would get into the injection pump would cause some of the parts to hang up. This could have occurred for only a second, but that was enough time of an incorrect fuel inject cycle. It would allow cylinder pressure to peak and overcome head bolt tension or break the head gasket. The driver may only have sent the slight shutter that the damage was already done. The injured head gasket would then let cool and seep into the cylinder and since there was little quench volume in a diesel, the incompressibility of a liquid was a theory very quickly reinforced. Something had to give, and often it was a piston connecting rod or crank shaft. So you get like a
Starting point is 01:30:44 little shutter and then like, you know, a little bit down the road you know one of the pistons flies out of the engine into the fucking stratosphere. Yeah so you know we're painting a really great image of this car that you probably know some of the Cadillac I think we're costing is just 78 these were like 20 thousand dollar cars. I mean these are not cheap things that you just bought. Yeah. It's also worth noting that, you know, this car is, you're, you're, you've put all this effort into buying this car. And it's, it's theoretically as fast as the gas versions, but like the car that we tested was zero to 60, and I don't know, 18 seconds.
Starting point is 01:31:27 I granted it's old, but it had like 90,000 miles on it. This is the nicest old mobile that is all left in existence, because it's probably the only one. And it, you know, is zero to 60, at a time that it's actually slow enough that you really gotta, I mean, it's dangerous merging onto freeways.
Starting point is 01:31:43 And, you know, it basically can't do more than 75 or 80 miles an hour. It also will not go up hills. At elevation, when we stopped this card to this picture, it was overheating like crazy doing 30 miles an hour. That's also, I just want to throw that into the hole. The whole picture here, but then we. It wasn't that good as like 160 foot pounds or something. Oh, I like that. I'm a slide I added here for something I found out about this by the way.
Starting point is 01:32:18 You're the next slide. So we mentioned like water in your diesel. So this is this is dry gas and hydrous alcohol. Because in the 70s, people love to do this thing that you not really, it's not really as common now, people kind of know better of buying weird additive shit from the gas station and dumping it into their fuel tanks to make the car run more good. Oh, hell yeah. This is the way that noted YouTube channel garbage time killed his donkey van was dumping a bunch of fuel additives and oil additives into the engine.
Starting point is 01:32:57 And it just immediately like fucked it. But like in particular, this like dry gas thing thing this was something that you would add if you had like water contaminated fuel The idea is like the alcohol and their bonds to the water throws it back into solution now you don't have water contaminated fuel It's just fuel What this does in the ultimate but the water is still there Wow, this kills the car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, don't dump weird shit into your gas tank. Take it to a mechanic.
Starting point is 01:33:36 You can't tell me. You can't tell me what to do. I went, I went to, I went to the gas station. They told me to put a tiger in my tank So I did yeah Yeah, the whole thing and the whole squeezy bottle of like make calm or good a juice Which contains like 50 warning It's a like huh. What is it belching smoke that smells like like the weirdest I've ever smelled anything in my life Why do I taste mess? Why is it growling and like, why is it trailing and scratching and
Starting point is 01:34:07 make cockroaches and rats nests out the battery? Very normal. Like, that's why that's my loss. I wouldn't do that. I would probably not put a tiger in a blender and then put it in my gas tank. I would bring like a couple of laws to do that, like conservation.
Starting point is 01:34:23 Yeah, I think that breaks a couple of laws to do that like conservation. Yeah, I think that breaks a couple of laws. Yeah. Yeah, so so next slide. This is my favorite story about this car. And I did actually, it's one of the stories that like you hear it and you're like, that's bullshit. There's no way it could be true. The legend goes that this car is so unreliable that Carb, the California Air Resources Board, got nine cars. The new one looks like shit. It's just some like design agency like shapes. Right. Yeah, and then we need to bring back the whole like Sarah Funtop sands on the bottom kind of style. It goes hard. But yeah, so Carb got nine of these cars. it goes hard. But yeah, so Carr got nine of these cars. They actually, they decided to refuse to allow them to be sold in California after testing. Not because the car was too dirty, but because
Starting point is 01:35:15 all of them broke down before they could finish testing. So it's one of those stories that's like, oh, that's really good. I wonder if it's true. I found a New York Times article from 1983, where it literally quoted a guy from Carrab who said, of the nine cars supplied to us, all of them suffered engine problems and seven of them had transmission failures. Beautiful.
Starting point is 01:35:37 It is worth noting, it is worth noting, and I hadn't even get onto this because I was so distracted by the engine itself. The only transmission that was paired with this motor for, I think, almost all of its life was the THM 200 automatic, which was the three speed that liked to shit the bed constantly. So if you somehow manage to avoid all the engine issues, you could still theoretically have issues a blowing. That's too easy. I'm sorry, your transmission. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so that is my favorite story about it. So I think they ended up getting one to pass by like 1982, but you know, that was four years after these introduced and basically the idea
Starting point is 01:36:19 of a general motor's diesel was no mildly toxic. Not necessarily passing and transmissions. I'm not doing it. Baddie, I'm blowing. I believe in you, Alas. This user can say it. This user is tired and wants to finish the episode and go to bed. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm trying.
Starting point is 01:36:43 Keep it up. Keep it awake forever. You can't. You just cruel and unusual. Yeah, that's why I'm doing it. This is her punishment for having the sliding hard drives. Okay, so next slide, please. If they were meant to go in there, why did the blue source of matchup with the holes? I'm gonna fight you. So, you know, what is the, what is the after effect of making the world's worst vehicle when you really saw it?
Starting point is 01:37:16 Well, dealers won't take trade-ins anymore. Or if they do, they'll take, you know, your new Cadillac that Blue Books at 15 grand and give you maybe two or three for it. Because the dealers don't want to be associated with this car and they don't want to work on it. They just don't want it near the mids. Fucking toxic. Mercedes planes, publicly, that this scares Americans off of big diesels for like years.
Starting point is 01:37:41 Yeah. Because they're like, oh shit, they're all going to do this. Yeah. JD Power, which nowadays you see them in like advertisements, and they have two sides of their corporation, which one is that they rank, you know, customer satisfaction, reliability, and all this stuff for public-facing stuff. But the main money they actually make is doing market research for companies. So they are playing both sides of the game and coming out on top.
Starting point is 01:38:11 But they were the, you know, they had come to slight prominence with the prediction of the Mazda Rotary Engine failures back in the 70s that we had talked about earlier. They predicted this and GM was as big like, oh, we don't need no outside influence. This is stupid. We have, we have our own internal market research. And then after this, they got it, they were like, hey, JD power. What's up? So, you know, this this actually, you know, this car is why you see this stupid seal on every car commercial and, you know, magazine print add and everything since about 1980. Because because Jim was like, I think I know a little something about making cars. Thank you. And then immediately got owned. Shit. Yeah. Yeah. So the next, the next thing that happened that based on this was the invention of the
Starting point is 01:38:55 lemon law. There we go. This card was, it was actually bad enough. There was, there was like a federal act that didn't require that you enforce warranties that had passed in 75, but there was no such thing as like a lemon law yet in most places. And so like a bunch of states passed their own lemon laws. This is a lemon because lemon laws basically if you buy a car and it immediately turns out to be a lemon or you know, a defective piece of shit that blows the gas. Yeah, the buy a bed basically. Huh.
Starting point is 01:39:25 I don't think we have this. I think this sort of marathon is amazing. It isn't just like, oh, it sucks, take it back. There's like a process to it. But yeah, Karin's parents once bought a Dodge Durango that turned out to be defective and Levin Laudit. I know I repeat myself, but. Yeah, I was gonna to say that's not... Y'all came like that.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Not only people I've ever known to buy a Chrysler Aspen. Oh, God. I thought I was a mess. Anyway. So, lemon laws come about. The FTC got so many complaints for this car. They asked the better business bureau to step in because they were so overwhelmed. They didn't have enough people to like mediate.
Starting point is 01:40:12 I love the better business bureau. It's basically something that is not part of the government, but sounds enough like it that sometimes they just deputize it when it's like too much. What? Yeah. Yeah, they were like, so it was, you know, all those 120,000 people basically immediately complained
Starting point is 01:40:30 because they realized their cars sucked. And it led to a ton of class action lawsuits and eventually, I mean, one of them, GM was legally required to pay for up to 80% of the costs of new engines for the cars Which really didn't satisfy a lot of people but you know Picking a female they finally like would dragged into like paying some money for this Yeah, yeah, so you know your car has been dead in your driveway for five years Here's here's a jack you care enough to like continue to sue us about it.
Starting point is 01:41:07 Yeah, well, there was like, when I read the New York Times story from like 1985 about this, it was like, these wealthy, this wealthy couple bought a Cadillac, these were Seville, and they both quit their jobs to devote their time to firming a class action lawsuit against China. I don't know the way I've ever been
Starting point is 01:41:21 that mad about anything. And I'm mad about one thing. Yeah, I'm sure I have it, but I don't know that I've ever been that mad about anything. And I'm mad about one thing. Yeah, I'm sure I have it, but I don't really remember. I'm trying to think of the level of shit I would have to injure where I would quit my job to make it my mission in life to like fuck over the world. Going to the New York Times and asking them to put it in the newspaper that you got.
Starting point is 01:41:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how man they are. So next slide, please. So the bitter irony in all of this is that by 1981-82, the diesel V8 is actually mostly fixed. They actually like, they strengthen the head bolts. I don't know if they added a water separator ever or not, but they fixed a bunch of like the other mechanical issues. And that be less bad. Yeah. And so like it's like not bad in 82, I think this V6 came out. It was like actually really solid. It was reliable and efficient. And you know, at this point now, diesel fuel is slightly more expensive than gasoline, which has dropped crazy in price since 78. And also everybody thinks that a GM diesel is the biggest, they think diesel motors in general are just a bad idea. So GM almost
Starting point is 01:42:40 sells none. Like the, the, the old mobile that I drove was an 81, which is probably the only reason it was still running, but they also sold like, you know, 10 of them that year, because basically the diesel badge in a GM was pure toxic, you know, waste. Nobody wanted to get near those fucking things. So, you know, by 85, they're like, well, that was a fun experiment. They've got this beautiful new V6. They just came out with three years earlier. I'm like, we're canning everything. Yeah, let's never do it again. And that was it. Like for 25 this years, there were like no diesels in America,
Starting point is 01:43:13 unless you bought a Mercedes. Like, and even then, I don't think they did not sell in the proportions that did buy a big like 18 years old. You were neglected like Blue Tech. No, no, no, no, you're, you're fuel injected like petrol. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because like, and they still obviously, you know, they still
Starting point is 01:43:36 did fine in Europe and everything, but like really, you know, Volkswagen didn't start doing the TDI thing until like the late 90s. So what, 50, 10, 15 years later, L-E-B-T, the blue text up and you come out to like pride month. Is that anything? I don't know, I'm very tired. It's not bad. It's actually negative things. I liked it. I stand with you, Alice. I didn't leave. That's okay. I've been out of the game bisexual turbo diesel injector. I like that. That's fun Yes, all right. Let's move this along so I can go to bed before she dies off the show
Starting point is 01:44:11 Yeah, by by by gay men Copy lady. I think you should be able to get a little like a little badge for the back of your TDI They just has an LGB they just stick on the front of it. I think it would be funny if LG B. No, LG, LG B TDI. LG T. I. It's all I got. Lesby is gays. A transgender intersex. I'm just leaving a bunch of people out. Sorry, bisexual. Grant, you're out. You thought it was coming for the T first? No, no. No, I've do it by foot. Yeah, baby. No, no by for the baby yeah they call it the gentleman's phobia yes okay so yeah this car this car basically kills these all engines in the US
Starting point is 01:44:56 damn doesn't just that have like some environment in the head maybe no shut up I don't know everything's fine the worth isn't warming we're. I ask I listen to around the Santa's speech and we're gonna be fine That's something that is a funny note Yeah, he does Yeah, I believe his name Rob Rob Desinck to money. I have to stop this Rob the meatball desync to money. He just made our ab Bobby meatballs. Yeah, Bobby Bobby Meatball. A Bobby Meatball.
Starting point is 01:45:29 I was just it but full delirium. A little bit a little bit. I just think about the way in which he eats pudding with like three figures three thing and like it did that's I mean I mean we can we can like thumb as a fingers like two fingers and thumb or is it like I thought it was like three like the boys Yeah, like that's yeah Hey Bobby meatballs from Paterson, New Jersey. Hey I don't want to do this Google search
Starting point is 01:46:02 It's from Jacksonville you motherfucker I don't want to do this Google search. There's some Jacksonville. You're motherfuckin. Not stancing a false rumor that he's from young. Yeah, he's he's he's. Yeah, he could be from young. I I think Bobby meatballs is like a Patterson thing though. You know, that's what I'm getting out of the. He ran a you ran a cured meat shop.
Starting point is 01:46:20 And he became governor of Florida, whatever the fuck he is. That's funny. Yeah. Um, there's a Atlantic County. I guess. Yeah. So yeah, the only other thing that's worth noting with these engines and then I will let Alice go to bed.
Starting point is 01:46:41 No, the city. Well, skip it. No, let's not to bed. No, the safety card. Well, skip it. No, it's not. Okay. We're sending Alice to bed. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they're, because they were, they were shitty diesels, but they have like huge solid blocks that, you know, were meant to try to contain the pressures of a diesel motor. If you convert them from diesel back to
Starting point is 01:47:00 gas, they actually take a ton of power really well. You can turbocharge the shit out of them. They're like, people using for like drag cars all the time. So it was some good. It was it was the it was the you know the diesel the ultimate fuel diesel may explode all the time and and kill people but it helps me get down the drag ship faster so who's to say if it's better not. So it's got it. So, the thing that it ended up like making successful was drag races. Yes, he shit Florida. Yeah. Yeah, so we could have diesel F1 is what I'm hearing. I think this is I think we would get sued into oblivion by F1 if we tried to make it like diesel F1 shirt.
Starting point is 01:47:44 But on the other hand, I really want to do it. So impossible to say. Yes. We'd be personally. We'd be a delicious person. Um, murdered. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:47:57 Yeah. Also, our lawyer is just my dad, so we are not going to get this with the with the edge I will say that he's very old but he's tired same personally killed by Bernie Eccleston Bernie Eccleston that is a guy who would would like a hitle-cuff all right what did we learn what did we learn moving on yeah did we learn anything these are learn moving on? Yeah, we learn anything these Elendians there are land of contrasts root off diesel was probably
Starting point is 01:48:29 Merge and Germans I learned I don't want Ross's job Yeah You ain't wrong Yeah, I love say four hours. I was good enough Good 30% of this podcast was about subject at the very least. I really learned something. I learned I learned about how to mount hard drives from Liam. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I learned a lot about fizzles. I'm glad I could be I could be the teacher today. Uh, the,
Starting point is 01:49:04 well, yeah, that's all I got. That's I learned I don't want to take third. Yeah, third moving on rap. It's like the third. Say, three, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, three, two, two, three, two, two, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, two, two, three, two, two, two, three, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, three, two, two, three, two, Liam, and Schrodinger's guest. That's a good one. The guest is here as soon as you observe. All right. So my safety third story isn't quite as explosive as some, but I hope it fills you with a respectable amount of horror, nonetheless, major names redacted for obvious reasons.
Starting point is 01:49:41 I used to work at a well-known in my state, as well as the surrounding ones, nonprofit animal shelter. That's going to be a battle ready. Yeah. We were a well-off organization bringing in multiple millions of dollars a year and operating out of a custom-built state-of-the-art facility. And it was by far the worst job I've ever worked.
Starting point is 01:50:04 Saving the egregious health and safety violations for later, it was an absolute mess of toxic work relations involving an explosively fickle CEO and one single guy as our entire HR department who couldn't be counted on for shit. The command structure was impossible to submit complaints to without risking reprimandment or straight up being fired. Thus, you get the idea of what happened when I came to administration with my safety concerns.
Starting point is 01:50:32 That's was a good sign. Yes, for some context, I have no background in engineering or workplace safety or chemical engineering or anything. I am a theater technician. My trade in times more dangerous. engineering or anything, I am a theater technician by trade. And times more dangerous than dodging flying sandbags and shit. Our nonprofit, despite our revenues relied on volunteer labor, most of our regulars were senior, were retired senior women. This is a surprise tool that will help us later.
Starting point is 01:51:00 And we relied on donated food and toys to operate. We took cost cutting measuresting measures wherever possible, as regarded with regard to the supplies we used on the regular. For instance, wet food, toys, towels, beds. One of these cost-cutting measures had to do with where we sourced our kitty litter. A lot of it was donated by members of the public, but due to the sheer volume we churned through,
Starting point is 01:51:25 the kindness of strangers was not enough. The way we filled in the gaps was through a very handshakey deal with redacted international pharmaceutical company. I think I got my vaccine from them. Yes. I mean, too. They had a facility, a few miles from our own facility.
Starting point is 01:51:41 Essentially, they gave us the used desiccant from their labs at no charge. They could get rid of a waste product and we got an absorbent that could be used as cat litter without spending any money. It was shipped to us in small individual bags packed inside large cardboard drums. And our procedure dictated, yes, in here. And our procedure dictated that we open all the bags and dump the contents into the 50 gallon trash cans. These trash cans are inside every cleaning station and we would scoop the desiccant into litter boxes as we cleaned. Now this stuff is horrible to work with. That's horrible with a capital H. It dried your hands out. If you touched it, it left chalky patches over your skin and clothes. Every time you interacted with it, it all flumed into these clouds that refused to dissipate and made us all cough.
Starting point is 01:52:35 That's the only thing else. Like not the main concern. I'm sure it was great for the cats as well, right? I think about it. Yeah, and not very good for the cats. After only a few weeks of this job, I went home with a persistent cough that continued to worsen. It was throaty and chest-based and I could feel it. You don't miss the phyllooma! I occasionally lost sleep from coughing too much. And you're doing this like as volunteering? Yeah. I spoke to a regular volunteer who complained of the same issue and decided to research what the desiccant actually was. The search was like pulling teeth, manufacturer made it impossible to find any
Starting point is 01:53:19 products specs through such fun tactics as having an invalid email and only accepting contact through facts and refusing to lift their list, their safety data sheets anywhere online, unless you were placing a bulk order for their product. That was like a crazy vuklove at chemicals online. It took me at least a week of internet slutery and searching individual serial numbers to get anywhere, and that was day in, day out, Googling, and reading, manufacturing, minutia. To condense my findings, the desiccate we, and we were, and to minoral are still are using is approximately 10 to 15% or 5 to 10%
Starting point is 01:54:07 rest of our pool crystalline silica. You're going to get fucking silico cysts, dude. You're going to get like diseases only miners get. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, only miners in particularly poorly managed mines. We were never told that this material could be dangerous, we were never given respirators, we were frequently interacted with it in non-ventilated spaces, and came across tens of pounds of it a day, leaving it on our skin and clothes.
Starting point is 01:54:37 Every safety data sheet I've found for the same product made by different manufacturers was basically screaming to get people away from it if they breathed it and that repeated exposure could cause silicosis and cancers and other other lovely side effects. Remember how we were using it? We were exposed to millions of times the OSHA daily allow the limit of silica without any respirators of breathing apparatus. Not to mention we were using it as litter for cats whose paws were caked and cracked and dry and our volunteers were mostly 60 years old or older. One of them had chronic little suit. This could be this could be like a legitimate like national scandal. Yeah. One of them had problems. I don't give a shit about like human volunteers, but they love
Starting point is 01:55:19 that. But people like cats. They just say my name next time. One of them had chronic laryngitis and lung issues. like Cass. That's me, baby. Just say my name next time. One of them had chronic laryngitis and lung issues. When I went to our facilities manager to ask to see the safety data sheet for this particular product and state my case, she basically gave me not my monkeys, not my circus kind of response. As the deal had been negotiated years before her employment.
Starting point is 01:55:44 She had a meeting with me where she seemed unconvinced but promised a contact, retected international pharmaceutical company to ask for a copy of the SDS. It took nearly three weeks for it to get to me and in the meantime our HR guy kept trying to dissuade me from looking and assure me it was safe to cite my complaints. When he finally handed the meet to printout, he only said, see, I told you it was safe, and he walked away. I unrelated side note, this same HR guy proceeded to misgender me repeatedly in conversation after outing me to my coworkers. I specifically told them I was fine going stealth at work. This was supposed to be him supporting me by the way
Starting point is 01:56:32 Beat this man unconscious The most depressing safety third I think I've listened to it Yeah, I'm just sitting here like wow, I think I'm I think I'm gonna go like stare at the sun for a while As important a note I should change the allowable daily limit of respirable Crystalline silica to a much lower number than it previously had been down to 50 microgrounds over an eight hour shift I believe in the summer of 2016 the SDS I've received was from May of 2015. I handed in my resignation shortly afterwards to which I was told I wasn't allowed to come back at all after I got sick on the last day of my two weeks. So that was nice.
Starting point is 01:57:19 To my knowledge, nothing has changed since I've left and I'm keeping close watch on my lung health. I don't say this about every safety third, right? But especially if you still have that SDS, go to a lawyer, speak to a lawyer. I was about to say, this is and do not walk. You will not pay for shit. Like anyone who wants to be the next Aaron Brockovich is going to leap on this with like and like grab it with both hands. Go to a lawyer. This like could be the first like admissible podcast that we've ever done. And somehow it won't be from us. Like
Starting point is 01:57:58 if it's still happening and like like go talk to a lawyer. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, genuinely. Like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, for the cats, those poor cats. Yeah. Let's sweep areas. Yeah. We're going to get like, we're going to get lawyers reaching out to us for the time. Yeah, I was about to say, like,
Starting point is 01:58:21 thanks for the long hours of morbid company during my intermeable shifts at the new less poisonous job makes my experiences at this job feel less isolating and gaslighty. Keep up the lovely work. We're really, seriously. But you're welcome for the gigantic settlement you will see in 20 years time. Like I was about to say. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:42 Yeah. I think I think it's time to lawyer up. Yes, yes, it is, it is time. Speak to a lawyer. We're early and sincerely from Frankie, PS, here's a redacted image of me staring standing in front of the army of desiccant barrels. Yeah, keep that image also. Like, yeah, yeah, that's about to say. Yeah, I keep that image also like yeah, yeah, it's about to say This is really bad I just keep all of the evidence that you have of this Yeah, I'm like keep your coworkers phone numbers and speak to a lawyer
Starting point is 01:59:23 Yeah, maybe several lawyers maybe a whole legal team go go go. I don't know. Maybe ocean as well Like get the get the get the big guns out go talk to Stephen Donzinger or something. I don't know. Maybe Oshia as well. Like get the get the big guns out. Go talk to Stephen Donzinger or something. I don't know. Yeah. To like to fucking like chemical safety review board or whatever the fuck it's called. Oh my god. Yeah. He makes those animations of like labs blowing up. Yeah. They could have they could have like a animation of a bunch of cute kiddies now. Yeah. Absolutely. Where's Tom? Do not remind me of that. I'm going to cry. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:59:48 I don't want to be the first guest to openly weave Tom. Well, there's your problem. I don't know. Yeah, first one. I'm the first host to openly weave. I'm pretty sure. We can do it simultaneously. Each shit capitalism.
Starting point is 02:00:04 Yeah, all right. That was safety third. Yeah, I was safety third. I'm looking at pizza boy. Get a lawyer out. He is a shake hands with the lady. He's completely, completely unperturbed. Yeah, he can talk about anything, especially about himself.
Starting point is 02:00:20 Yeah, maybe only himself. I don't know. All right. Our next episode will be about your noble. Does anyone have any commercials before we go? Because James Bond, Victoria. Yeah, I have one quick one. So the whole thing that inspired me wanted to talk about the old mobile diesel.
Starting point is 02:00:36 I did a road trip from Seattle to Minneapolis in this pair of old cars. It is called, I wrote a story about it called the last great American road trip. It is on my itch.io. It's Victoria Scott dot itch.io. It's four bucks. You get all the film photos I took with it. It's, I'm pretty proud of it. So I'd like people to see it. I had my book come out. I think since the last time I recorded that's postcards me and the world that's available at career books It's like a photo post apocalyptic photo journey story. It's really good I buy the book by the books in fact and I think they might also be prints coming at some point soon Yeah, that's actually I have them like literally in here right now. I'm
Starting point is 02:01:21 After this after we finish recording. I'm gonna go rework my website so I can sell prints through it. And I'll be doing like signed number to incredibly like 200 year archival. I can't believe I can make this in my house kind of prints. It's like it's kind of like when I imagine having an industrial meth lab feels like, like how can I create this? So, that's like piss. I. So yeah, I think that's it.
Starting point is 02:01:47 Thank you. And thank you for having me. I always enjoy it. It's always the light genuinely. You were as always fantastic. I did my best. But yeah, I know I listened to you guys a bunch too recently when I was driving like 11 hour days on said road trips and it helped me from going insane. So thank you. Oh, happy to do it for you and yes, anyone. Yes.
Starting point is 02:02:14 Um, I think that was an episode. I was an episode. Yeah. Someone go save those cats by God. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, Franky my God. Yeah, I'm Frankie. Yeah, which place is Frankie. Yes. Okay. That's it. Bye. Bye.

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