Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 135: Project Plowshare

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

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I'm here to talk about the hole in your screen. Oh My god, I love some good hole. That's a big hole. Oh, yeah, I went to the club the other day and I was I My friend Kyle came over and you know Punched it in the drywall, you know my boss is in his Kyle Yeah, and then you'll shake one in there and thought it's met for me This is a this is a beautiful hole just if anyone's a really clean drop of me saying that Why This is a beautiful hole. Just if anyone wants a really clean drop of me saying that. Why is it supposed to be there? Why?

Yes. Explain the whole to me. Well, they blew up a sedan. Well, really getting the car. I think the blue office sedan made of osmium, and we're going to talk about it. Yeah, we don't talk enough about Chrysler's osmium line of cake cars. I think they suggested osmium as a name for the Edsel.

Oh my god, a really heavy car, along with Exhibitor and all that other stuff. That's right. So yeah, today we're going to, we're here to talk about, oh, fuck it out, static butt. Which is what if you could use nuclear bombs for things other than murdering people? Ah, obviously, best friend's day. Yes, remember the future, yes, remember the future. Yes. Yeah, exactly. But first we have to do the God damn news. All right, this one's on me. This one is on me. Please, that please stop yelling at me in the comments section of the all news video that we did. I neglected

Yeah, you're not so now. Yeah, I'm a not seeing now and I'm both sides in the war in Ukraine. We got a two star review and a one star review today, by the way. Reviews and things. That was really things. Yeah, well, we still sound like mature nine-year-old boys, which is not entirely off the mark. I just like to speak the boys, pop. But like, yeah. Yeah. Well, the other one is I would like it better if it weren't political And it's like well then go fucking as we always say go fucking watch the history channel

You can learn about engineering disasters in between ancient aliens and Nazis and shit What is even on the history channel? I just Like a hitless secret train. Yeah, I appreciate the effort of leaving us, of leaving us a one-star review boat to which I say go f**k ass Hitler's secret pyramid that was built by aliens. Yeah, I legit. I watched the history channel for the first time in years. Sorry. Sorry. I saw Hitler's secret train and the train wasn't that secret or even really that Hitler's and repatriation to it but or even really that Hitler's headless and repartance attention to it, but

neither secret nor Hitler's my beloved Hitler right because I'm both sizing the war in fairness in fairness there are Nazis on both sides on the right side and the wrong side but that. Yeah. On the right side and the wrong side. But we are good Nazis versus their bad Nazis. That's right. But we don't bring that up. You'll be a poet. You have people going to get even matter at you for mentioning this. But yeah. So the thing that I do not write about it or read about it. He's going to institute another of the news items. No, the thing is, right, on three podcasts, I would say I work, you know,

maximally a four day week, but because I'm a dumb piece of shit, that is enough to overwork me to the point where I forget stuff. And so in the course of doing an all news episode, I forgot a massive piece of news, which is entirely within our competence, within our gift, which is the Russians blowing up a massive hydroelectric dam and flooding shitloads of southern Ukraine in order to make a Ukrainian counteroffensive more difficult and also to be dickheads. It is like filling their own soldiers in the process.

Yeah, I was going to say this also really fucked over the Russians, which is the interesting part about it. I hate Moscow, infrastructure week. Mohing over your own, soldiery seems to be part of Russian military policy. Yeah, it is. It's a front of a train. It's doctrine. Yeah. We've all seen enemy at the gates. Um, yeah. Well, I mean, it's pure spite right like oh yeah God, what's the work to conscript you here's how we think of you now Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean this has had a bunch of like very weird effects aside from the obvious bad ones Like the reservoir drying up and people find a bunch of dead Nazi skulls like OG neat world or two Nazis Who just like drowned in the river back in the day. Put them back, put them back, but upside down to really fun with them.

Yeah. And the rest of war on the, the Nipro river right here is a very, very, very large one. Obviously, Ukraine is a very important agricultural region for all of Europe. Oh, this is fully going to cause families. is a very important agricultural region for all of Europe. Oh, this is fully gonna cause families. Yeah. They're not super dependent on irrigation. It's not like, like, let's say the American Southwest

where all of the olive, the olive, the avocado desert, all of the avocados that keep the millennial generation of float are entirely grown with water that's been transported 1,100 miles. You know, it's said, Ukraine is a little bit more sustainable than that, but you know, this big reservoir means that a lot of these cities along the Dineper are, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that strictly correctly.

I don't do any of that. I that strictly correctly. I don't do anything. I don't want to get point enough to tell you. I think you know, I think the continents together, like, you're going to have like water, water intakes that don't work. You're going to have sewer discharges that don't work. You're going to have like the big stupid nuclear power plant, everyone likes to complain about. Yeah, it that has no cool. Yeah, it has no cooling water right now, because the water level is going to be too low. But it's all shut down all of the rocks. Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's not a big deal.

You just can't turn it back on right now. Rebuilding this dam is going to be a huge pain in the ass when the conflict is over. And who knows when the conflict will be over. I mean, this is. And this is. It's another thing that you've committed to the post-war Ukrainian state to doing, along with rebuilding the giant impractical Soviet cargo aircraft, where like, yes, you know, it was, in this case, it's something more practical

and more vital to rebuild, but in both cases, you have just handed them a huge bill purely out of spite, because now it's's symbolic as well as being important practically. The thing about the Antutu 5 is was actually genuinely a good thing to have. But you could like, you know, if you're like trying to fly in, like, I don't know, a massive power transformer into like, you know, central Africa or something. So you could provide, you know, underprivileged populations with electricity, you could do that very easily. You can't do that anymore. It was a global asset.

Yeah, as far as the animating impulse goes, I highly recommend Joseph Brodsky's on Ukrainian Independence, which is a sort of like piece of Russian hate speech that is also like surprisingly conflicted about its own spite, but it includes the line about spitting and the zinepper in hopes that it flows and reverse. But yeah, I think this struck me about this sabotage in this dam is it seemed like really bad for both sides. I don't think it's a strategy. I brought the doctrine, baby. You get like the dumbest people on Twitter think that this is an inside job.

This will be a recurring theme with another one of our news items. They're like, oh, there's, there's, there's, I don't want aren't, there aren't, I don't answer questions. It was, it was just the Russians. That's the only way that makes sense. Shout out. Are there people like assuming that the Ukrainians have for some reason done, yes, they're infrastructure, but I've genuinely seen that argued because I don't know, most of the inscrusible apparently. Yeah, that makes it as much sense as the US blowing up Hoover Dam. Yeah, just as a flex, you know, well, we don't even know anymore. That reservoir is not as high as this one was.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, as there was the other piece of context on the dam is that the reservoir was the highest it had been in like, I don't know, 30 years or something when the dam got blown. I don't think there's any video or pictures of the dam actually blowing.

I mean, hilariously, one thing that could have happened since the reservoir was so high and no one seemed to have definitive control over the dam. Is the thing just over topped and fell over? No, I read something about like, you know, the using explosives and like the service tunnel inside it. And it's like made sense to me. So yeah, that makes sense as well. Do they still have any of those like damn buster explosives from World War II? I know those were like a US thing, but like giant explosive skipping

stones. Yeah, if anyone saw like a Lancaster Balma, maybe it was also along, maybe it was the brass. Yeah, I'm kind of safe. There's no video, because like sure, it's probably a propaganda tool, but it would be like grimly cool to watch happen, you know? Well, I mean, you can see the satellite images. It is also a run of the river dam, you know, hmm. Well, I mean, you can see the satellite images. It is also a run of the river dam, you know, something like a safe harbor on the Susquehanna or something like that. So there's not a huge amount of water level difference. So, you know, it wouldn't be that impressive, you know.

But on the other hand, a lot of water did move in and kill a lot of Russian and Ukrainians. Yeah. And then I think Russia sheld the like aid workers as well. Just as an extra, you know, and about the most recent. Great. There's like, no, it is, it is fuck you and fuck you again. Yeah. War doing great. Everyone everyone's having such a great time. Fuck you and fuck you again. Yeah. War, don't grade. Everyone's having such a great time. It's amazing.

I think it's probably about like, I did a start one. Have you seen the Lockheed Martin stocks? Cheese. Oh my God. I have not. The fashion of ad ministry has been sort of like stumbling around throwing money at stuff

in a drunken stupor. And honestly, yeah. Right. Isn't that core for the course though? Yeah. Yeah, they've invested a shitload and a bunch of new submarines with screen doors. I met this guy named Boris Yeltsin. I put him in charge of spending money. We found him under a bridge. spending money. We found him under a bridge. They have bad news for Ukraine, somehow also bad news for Russia, good news for the military industrial complex, but you know, when isn't it? Good news if you own a concrete company. Yeah, if you're a general contractor, they will have to rebuild this thing.

So the great tides of world history, really going up and down if you're a general contractor on the upside, you get the contract to do some of the concrete for this dam. On the downside, you're still kind of sore because ISIS has your old truck, you know? Yeah. Well, I would say the tide is mostly going down here, um, going to the dam collapsing. only where it's not supposed to yes In other news, oh god, I have a right button The gamer tube. Yeah, I know you know about it. Yeah, we got to talk about it. I We got your Twitter DMs. All right Yeah, I was about to say we we were in fact aware of the Titanic's

immersive that imploded. It imploded folks. We thought that they could have been saved. They turned out, no, it imploded basically instantly. You know, and the really funny, the US Navy knew that from son of boys or son of phones, but because they didn't want to release that because that was a classified capability, they let the search go on fruitlessly for several days, like two or three days. I don't understand why that's classified. That's something we already knew they could do. We should first can do that too.

So we wasted how many millions of dollars just so we could announce our sonobuik capability or whatever, like three days later. Yeah, I like dozens of millions. Yeah. All of the search and recovery stuff would have had to be done anyway just because they do want to go and pick up pieces of the submersible to figure out exactly what went wrong. That being said, there's a lot of going in the ocean.

There's a lot of you know, you sort of look at this, this, this, uh, long history of doing these deep seas submersibles. And this is something that just does not happen, which is the submersible suddenly implodes. That's like a number one, the thing you don't want to happen. Um, you build it against that prospect. Yeah. Yeah. So we have, we have our guy, we have our guy here. What's his name? Um, Stockton Rush. Stockton, Stockton, the crush rush, um, which is a very big 100. It's a very Victorian name, isn't it? It is. It is. It's a very big 100. It's a very Victorian name, isn't it? It is. It is.

Yeah, I stole that from a friend of the pod, uh, Carrie, who, uh, yeah. Anyway, so, um, you know, the Stockton, Stockton, the crush rush, uh, he's like a Libertarian guy. He was a Libertarian guy. Now he's sort of a, what's left of him? I think he's sort of a, yeah, sort of a mush, yeah, which is, you know, that's not so much. Stockton mush. Stockton the mush, trash. Yeah. I,

I, I, I, it's funny, but God damn. Yeah. I was eating pizza and didn't record how hard I was laughing to the end. So, Stockton, uh, Stockton the mush rush. Um, he's like this

libertarian guy. He was like, well, you know, we need to do these, uh, these, these, uh, these expeditions, you know, this exploration stuff, it needs to not have the government involved, right? You know, it's like, okay, you're operating international waters, whatever you do, you, he builds this submersible, supposed to be sort of on the cheap, it's supposed to be very simple. He does a bunch of shortcuts. Yes. A bunch of short cut. In a sense, this is innovation. So like the, rather than usual, usual spherical shape, this submersible is the pressure vessel is a tube, you know, like a propane

tank, right? It's got titanium end caps, but the main body of the thing is built with four, 500 layers, I think 500-ish layers of pre-preg carbon fiber, which, you, is is not like not known for its ductility. No, and this kind of life of by the way that he got, he got a deal on it. He bought it from Boeing because it was like now unsaved for them to use in planes. Yes. Oh, good. Yes. All right.

That's fucking it was it was a fire. Maybe let's do it. Yeah. It was it was a fire. Yeah, baby. Let's do it. Yeah. It was a expired carbon fiber. I believe he mentioned that, um, you know, they did it in conjunction with Boeing and NASA, but actually, they put it out for a bit. I was, well, it's less safety critical in cars. I don't know. And I don't know. I don't know. I can still kill your house just as dead. Yeah. All right. You really get you to force the body still kill your ass just as dead. Yeah. You were just like, get the foresee. See how you do, buddy.

Yeah, the foresee like head from what I heard, chassis bonding problems early on. Like, yeah, carbon fiber is very easy to fuck up. You're very funny if you're just driving along the road. You're like alpha Romeo fails and you just implode from just just from what I know about carbon fiber, which is mostly from the International Formula SAE Club, it's just annoying. It's an annoying material. It's annoying to work with. It takes a long time and it's like, wow, you know, we have this strongest, lightest material and like this is mostly just glue, though.

I think the funniest thing is getting like, arrows face carbon fiber because when you sort of look at an airplane, you ask yourself, you know, wow, what kind of sort of like, kind of atmospheric pressure can that thing deal with? And the answer is between zero and one, right? Yeah. and one, right? Yeah. And take it down into the ocean where significantly grace the freshes of pain. And you're going to do it. I understand there are pressure vessels for like diving and stuff, which are made of carbon fiber.

But then it's intention. This one, the freshers on the outside, it's in compression, which I think is less well understood. I believe this has been attempted. I want to say Virgin Oceanic wanted to do a carbon fiber submersible. And they realized, well, we would only be able to use it for one dive. realize, well, we would only be able to use it for one dive. Oh, you mean, right? Single use the merciful.

Seems like a very late stage cap or something. Yeah, there are. There are so many other different things going on with this. But one of them that I really want to highlight is if you look at the interior of the submersible here, you may notice that it does not look the way you would expect it to, perhaps. Oh, that's what a miserable place to die, man. It looks like a metal, like a plain metal tube. It's got like one little viewing window, which is over the submersible toilet for one thing.

Yes. And it's controlled with a logitech, like off brand gaming controller. And Stockton Rush is on video saying, you survived five of these and all quads. Yeah, yeah. And PC idea. And Stockton Rush was quoted as saying that he got the lights from Camperworld. So a lot of off the shelf parts had an elevator button to go up. Yeah, it did. It did. Actually, I Pretty good. I actually want to find it. Actually, yeah, it had no radio like really any means of communication with the service other than

Text message through Starlink, which is your Elon Musk connection so like It would have to rely on the surface vessel to tell it where to go. It got lost all the time for like hours. And instead of text messages, yes, the navigation was text messages. And so yeah, they took this thing, which by the way was never certified by anyone. No one ever in service. Certifying body for many public areas. Yes. Oh, it's called the free market.

There's three, like, Lloyd's will certify us of merciful. And you can. Lloyd's will certify anything. Yeah, okay. A DNV, which is I want to say Norwegian, or possibly German, but there are another big commercial one. And then the U.S. like Bureau of shipping will also do it. What the hell are you shipping on a submarine? I guess.

Okay. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. But any of them will like you got to bring in your NERCO sub. You're not. Why this was good. This is good.

You remember that Coast Guard guy who was like standing on the Narko sub trying to like hammer the door open. That was like a regulatory issue. That's the only reason. Yeah. There's like, do you have a license for this? You can't make Waking a Harbor. Bam, bam, bam, bam.

Oh my god. Yeah. You just narcos. No way. No way. You're not going over the buoy. You only got a bit of it. It just says, what do you think? No, wake zone means. It's the American Bureau of shipping. We're all so certifies of merciful. And so all of the people who like runs of mercifuls professionally wrote at length and many times to Stockton Rash to say, Hey, you're going to get yourself and probably a bunch of paying customers killed in this thing. And it kind of gives us all a bad name, which it absolutely does. And he said,

I assume. Yeah, he did. He said that this like stifles innovation. He said that they were like a faceless cry. That he was going to kill someone. Okay. Um, well, I guess they weren't so baseless. Where are they? He's, he's human beings.

He's super the moment. So he, they call him stacked in the brush because he brushes off his critics. They shouldn't call him that because he also refused to paint this submersible in any color that would be visible to rescuers He left it painted white because he didn't like the idea of painting at our enjoy yellow I don't like that. I don't want to matter as he's again currently crab food But yeah, I mean he's cited in this blog post about the sort of Tesla

Specifically as an interval. Oh my god as the a driver of innovation, but like before regulation. And then he got a bunch of. How'd that go for him? He got a bunch of paying passengers, two billionaires, but like I, and like one of the kids and like a Titanic historian. It's like, I do feel bad for. Which is a bummer, along with the kid,

because it's just like, yeah, like that sounds so cool and it's just like, no one can talk to kid. Well, the kid was smart enough not to want to do it. Like he was trying to try his dad out of it. And his dad, like, I really got it. You got to get in this fucking submarine. And it's my first day, bitch. This is, this is a real victory for the anxiety disorder community.

Because any time anyone suggests anything to me. And I say, I don't want to. I'm scared. And they say, no, you should do it, it'll be fine. I can just say, you know what, you know what, I'm not going to be fine. Well, I gotta go with the instinct because look at this fucking, this poor kid

who just got mulched like because his dad thought, I don't know, it's gonna be fine. So I do, I feel bad for the like passengers, right? This guy on the other hand who like effectively murder suicide at them. Yes. Yes. He's well, he's crab food.

I'm really liking the phrase crab food. Her. Did I have crabs that deep? Yeah. I don't want to think about all make me think about shit that's down there. No, no, no, I watched. I watched the James Cameron documentary yesterday

about nope, going going way down on the deep and like they picked up they picked up a whole bunch of shrimp Like they were exotic shrimp that no one has seen ever before But you know, they picked them up in a trap and I was like, okay They're sending these out for scientific examination. How do they taste? They look delicious they're sending these out for scientific examination. But how do they taste? They look delicious. I don't want to eat the deep sea beasts in general. Oh, no, it's not beefy and weird.

I don't like them. That was one take. That was one take that I really disagreed with, which is as we're doing the rounds, I still put them in a nice set to fail. It'd probably be delicious. I do like wheat, concrete, cajun's access to the deep sea.

I've been making as bad taste jokes about this as anyone because I love that shit and I love when Billionaires die. But like, one of the things that made me feel like this was a bad take was the take some people had, which is not like, oh, you know, Billy knows whatever, but it's bad to be like exploring the Titanic for touristic purposes or whatever because people died there. I'm like, the people have died fucking everywhere. That's one of our favorite things to do is die places. You can't walk around anywhere without somebody having died on it. Most people do it eventually. Yeah, I think it's also like the thing is 13,000 feet down. If you want to like you are free to do so. Obviously this is just kind of arrogant dude.

Think he knows better than everyone else and kills a bunch of people in the process. I also think that like with a program like this, you're getting somebody who's gonna probably cut corners with, say, respecting the wreck. Like, if he had any means, he'd probably be souvenir hunting or he'd be rashing and then he'd be able to get thought to that, like, fuck this guy specifically for doing it.

If they got down there, I sort of doubt that this guy would have been respectful of the wreck. So like, yeah. And that the wreck's going to turn into mush anyway. I don't even think that like, I think it's really interesting. I think it's actually a good thing. Yeah. I mean, also like, I, after, you know, a hundred and what, like 16 years, something like, and, and, and like, people, and, or, like, people think there's going to be, people think there's going to be a shitload of skeletons down there. I was like, no, no, it's too deep.

No, it's too deep. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no with the Titanic in general. Because there was a lot of ocean liners. Some of them are even still floating. You know, you can take a crap episode about that. Yeah, I didn't like it. You could come to Philly. And hang out with he and Ron, the SS United States. It's like not that far from our house. Yeah, no, they are evicting,

they are trying to evict the SS United States from the birth. What are they gonna do? They're gonna get a flood of tug up the Delaware and try to move that bitch. El, no. Yeah, that's how it got there in the first place. It's like, you know, they're gonna like send it to India and scrap it. You know, and it's like, well, why are you looking at the Titanic when you could like look at actually existing ocean liners, which are still floating and

you can go in and maybe, you know, not like have them be destroyed slowly over a long time by nature because they haven't sank. There are floating ocean liners. I don't get it because they made that movie with Kate Winslet and because we like flirting with death. It reminds us that we're alive. movie with Kate Winslet and because we like flirting with death, it reminds us that we're alive. Are you sure, Dale? Yeah, so like they get down there and the, you know, the guy presses the turbo button on the controller by accident and it just imposed a sub. And then we have to fuck around for three days, working out how much oxygen we think they

have left, like they have cusk to themselves, and we're sort of like all feeling very bad about them, you know, dying, one of the most horrible ways we can imagine, when I actually know they didn't know anything about it, it was like, you know, faster than any possible reaction time. You just, you presses the turbo button and the lights go out, you know, that's it. That's as far as death go, this is pretty good. It's just not rate very high on the Liam fear index. I will say you You I don't want to know the first fucking thing about it. You know, it like it happened like as fast as like running over a toothpaste tube with a

Hummer at a highway speed like that's it. Yeah I mean, I say people would have gotten the same experience. In fact, the much better one because you wouldn't have to stare through a tiny window by going down to the IKEA on Delaware Avenue and looking at the SS United States. I don't get it. I would say that you could have some Swedish meatballs. You could have some Swedish meatballs. You could buy a blahage. Yeah, you could stop by beer peddlers. And yeah, yeah, me and my bathroom, they're very friendly. You don't have to like, ram into a tiny tube with four other dudes and then get imploded with them.

Yeah, you want to be in a GTI. I'm creepy. I'm interested that, you know, this, this guy he is not wearing shoes in the summer in. Yeah like a huge. You imagine that being the last thing before you die is this dude's fucking dogs. What if you make a submarine? You spent like 250,000 dollars for the submarines. You spent $250,000 to get in the submarine and you didn't realize your sock had a hole in it and you didn't realize you sock had a hole in it and you didn't realize you would have to take your shoes off and now you're embarrassed. Oh God.

I mean, the other thing that's really funny about this is that he was running this at a loss. He wasn't making money on this. He was like, because passion brought it. It's like it's quarter million a person. He was very bad at running a business. The way that he framed it was like, yeah, we charged a quarter of a million dollars per person in one trip We spend a million dollars on fuel

Fuck sake, dude, so yeah, I guess the fuel is for the boat But I was like, what is beautiful? Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah, I mean rich people are different and they want to die so bad. I was about to say, like not in the way that you or I might want to die, they want to die in exotic ways, um, hurling themselves up Everest or into the fucking, uh, challenge a deep, whatever the fuck. Uh, that would be a fun episode to be Mount Everest.

Let's do it. Stop who do we need those? Go to the bar. You can go in an airplane. Oh, bring Dr. Eleanor back on. That would be fun. Yeah. For Mount Everest? Yeah. It's not matter.

Just like, yeah, we missed you. Can you come talk about something that we don't know? None of us know anything about. Just like yeah, we missed you. Can you come talk about something that we don't know? None of us know anything about yeah. In other news. It's right three news items. That's right. Cause we had to talk about this one. You know, just just to really to balance out the first one,

where everyone's going to get mad and yell at us, I can really get my like nafo on, you know, just just to really to balance out the first one, where everyone's going to get mad and yell at us, I can really get my like nafe o on, you know, if Gennie Prieger's in and the boys went for a nice drive on a Saturday, if Gennie for the god's sake, the guy whose name means roughly Jean Hanson, who used to be Putin's personal chef, and then was Putin's personal mercenary got kind of pissed off at the Ministry of Defense for trying to like formalize and formally subordinate his PMC of Vagno, which is committed every number of war crimes you can imagine.

All of them. Yeah. Yeah. And turn them around and manage to do. The big Peter Gabriel fan loves that loves that song. Sledgehammer. Um, yeah. He turned his like war criminals around and he captured the roster of Andon, which is like a fairly major city in southern Russia, including the headquarters of the southern military district, where he like occupied the military headquarters and had a very tense meeting with a couple of

generals and was driving on Moscow. And panic ensued. They were shutting down central Moscow. They were blocking the streets. They were digging up the highway with excavators, which is going to take some fixing as well. And then as we were really getting into the swing of it on Twitter, inexplicably, instead of invading Moscow, what happened was he got a phone call from Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus, and they had what was what has been described by Lukashenko's press secretary as a masculine and hard conversation. What? Which I don't know. Do you want potato?

Do you want potato in exchange for life? So yeah, so I have tractor I'm bad for your throat today. Oh real bad So I don't know how my allow does it. Yeah, yeah, we're doing look at it. Take something out of you, but yeah, he called pregosh and nothing was like, why don't you get exiled? I'll start to fellow roofs instead. I sort of heavily implied and then, you know, a person doesn't have you killed, which for now seems to have worked, which is a totally unexpected outcome. And so I kind of assume that pregoation is going to get killed at some point later,

but for now Putin's authority is I think, basically compromised. And with it no matter of months or years you will find that a lot of people are deciding that it's a good idea to have private armies and eventually someone's going to think it's a good idea to make Mr. President retire to his country villa and continue his service to the people from there. I really think they did not exhaust all their options before delay this convoy because they went up the Russian M4 highway, which is a toll road. And all you have to do is really, you know, they're all in these TATRA 8 by 8 military transports and all this shit, they got heavy vehicles. You know, just,

yeah, really, really jack up the tolls on heavy vehicles, open all the way stations. They're going to be stuck there for weeks. We got everybody's drive. I want to say it's bad though. Drive that lot of samaras in front of the column at like five kilometers. Now, um, I don't disagree with your pal, your political agenda, but your vehicle is overweight. Yeah. 50 54 through a tall booth.

That's not about it. The tall booth with you at that point. A T-90S, which has thrown one of the skirts above its tracks, trying to get out of amusingly enough, the entrance to a circus in Rustov. And yeah, so they shut down a couple of Russian air force helicopters. They're, you know, as far as I know, there might have been a couple of minor gun fights, but then you didn't see really like urban combat in the streets of Moscow, which it could have

plausibly come to, and had it come to that. Like, Fragoshen and Valken would still have been fucked, right? Like, they would still have lost, but it would have been like incredibly embarrassing, like even more than it has been now. So Putin has like managed to save face weirdly through Lukashenko. But he embarrassing. Yeah, yeah, I mean, as like a loyalty test all of the like local governors were sort of like stuck with Putin. Ramzan Kaderov stuck with Putin. So he's like better off in that respect than some people would have thought. But yeah, I think in the long term, and I mean the long, long term here, I think it's Joeva, I think like Putinism is kind of like busted flush at this point. But that doesn't mean the war is either.

Yeah. Congratulations to the new strongest leader in the European Far East, Alexander Lukacek. Well, like genuinely, I think the joke that one of the Ukrainian politicians made was that, you know, Putin started out the morning as the second most powerful leader in the world and ended it as the second most powerful leader in Russia. It's also a hot warming tale of, yeah, for sure. It's also a hot warming tale of friendship because a large part of this was because Putin

just will not fire his Minister of Defense, Sergei Shogu. Like, I don't know why I don't know whether like Shogur has something on him or whether like Putin just likes him, but like he will not let go of that guy. And that's, that's a great example of like cronism for the ages, you know? And it's also a great tale of the boys going out for a nice drive on a Saturday, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You're really, you're really milking that that specific joke, huh? Yeah, because it's good. It's, it's good.

I'm glad for, I'm glad for Mr. Pringle and his friends, you know, gone. Oh, yeah, I'm driving a bunch of big trucks. Um, you know, and then coming back home, there, there is another dumb take on this, which is that this is the CIA bribing pre-roaching to do this, which is fucking stupid. Some people link it with a like accounting era of news item from like a couple of months ago, that's also stupid. Yeah, so I mean, it's bad. A less stable Russia is as bad but less predictable in a lot of ways. And it's a grim portent of things to come.

But in the meantime, at least we know that there will be lots of posts about it. And that's the most important thing. That was too important. In other news, we're to have four newses. That was like, gee, we're at least to come your own, just four uses. At least we're extensively a leftist podcast. I figure we should talk about the Wabtech strike, at least briefly.

So Wabtech is the tattered remnants of G.E. transportation, which was the company that built locomotives for a long time, General electric, their division, they sold it off to this company called WebTech, which is sort of the private equity, tattered remnants of Westinghouse air brake corporation. Other stuff has gone through so many owners now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they make the Civil War aeropraging systems.

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and Machine Workers of America. The strike is not over pay to my knowledge and mostly over grievances in that if you file a grievance as a worker, as a union worker, the company simply does not address it and you're not allowed to strike over those grievances not being addressed. So you just can't have a functional union? That's all awesome. Yeah, so I mean essentially they're like, okay, well, you can't have a functional union. It's all awesome. Yes. I mean, essentially, they're like, okay, well, you don't have any rights. But you are also not allowed to strike over the fact you don't have any rights. Well, it's not going away.

Web tech threatened to lay off about 275 workers at the plant replacing with contractors recently. If they did not accept the contract, they did not accept the contract, they did not accept the contract. Everyone's on strike, the plant is not moving. You know, and this has been covered in, you know, sort of left this press recently, I think somewhat extensively. I do think there is some some extent here where the the broader context is missed, which is that the locomotive industry is in real bad shape right now.

There's been essentially no new locomotive orders in five years. One of the things the workers want is they're like, we need to, we want to, in this new contract, we want to build green locomotives. And you know, this is another sort of thing where it's like, that would be good. And then they should be doing that.

But also, the way our policy structure is set up is that the only green locomotives you can build are the ones that don't work. You know, battery, hydrogen, so on and so forth is supposed to overhead wire, which is something that has been built at this plant in the past, is over-ed wire electric locomotives. But this is important because the workers need to win, but I also think it's important to look at the context of the whole railroad industry is still going to shit in incredibly stupid ways.

And between Wabtech and Progress Rail, which is the private equity shitty tattered rendments of Electro mode of division. Yeah. You know, nothing is getting built. Progress Rail has done a lot more progress in union busting than Wabtech has But you know the the whole the whole Industry is falling apart Right, you know and and this I don't know. It's a depressing situation. I don't know how to resolve it I mean, I hope the workers win, but the other thing is you know, I hope that there's still a locomotive industry at some point. It just sounds like you need like root and branch reform of the entire way that American

railroads work. You kind of need to just nationalize it. Actually, no, there's another thing. Had there not been so much news, I would have talked about the Canadian Air Resources Board, the railroad regulations, which are like, well, you need to invest in this fake technology that doesn't work by 2030. We love greenwashing, don't we?

Yeah, exactly, right? And the industry is like, we can't do that because it's fake technology that doesn't work. But we also don't want to use the real technology that does work, which no one ever considered in the first place. I don't know, this has been Eden had me for a bit. Sort of like the plug-in hybrids to the electric car,

if you like. Yeah, no one's got, no one's got, no one's looking at the whole Elephant of the situation, you know We're all blind men looking at different feeling different parts of the elephant It's just like I know enough about the elephant that you know, I'm frustrated at how it's been covered Yeah, they're all unlike the elephant like ass or whatever. Yes Yeah, they're all unlike the elephant like ass or whatever. Yes.

But yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, there's a solution to every single problem in the world and that's overhead electric rail electrification, you know. Yeah, electrification, nationalization, Soviet power. Soviet power and the electrification of the entire country, yes. At this point, it's not going to get much worse. So I figured, yeah, fuck it. Throw on the Soviet power. Why not mad at me?

You have little faith. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. No, I know. I keep telling everybody, it's going to get worse before it gets better. Don't worry. Hey, Lenin, get walking around the world. I just wanted to mention that. Hey, Lenin get walking around the world

I just wanted to mention that anyway, so let's actually do an episode now. There were 45 minutes in I just told Chris we're not gonna be done till tattoo. I mean look that we knew the submarine was gonna take for fucking Yeah Okay, So I wrote I did a couple slides and did the vagus of nodes possible. At a point. Yeah. It looks like a sort of a spicy piece of metal here. Yeah. As best say, it's like tacky blue hot. Yes. I like the empty Coke bottle and the likes of, you know, brush and the like, as like ashtrain shit like right next to it This this was like sterile lab conditions in you know in the 40s. It's fine Don't want to drink that coke I really don't know no I don't that nuke a cola now. They made nuke a cola real. Yeah, yeah

So That's the new cacola now. They made new cacola real. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right, I guess we first must ask ourselves, what is new clear? Yeah. Okay. So stuff is made out of little boxes. Stuff pulled atoms, because that's the Greek for the smallest thing. And those those atoms, they have a nucleus. And if you split that nucleus, then the bunch of energy gets released, and goes in different directions, I'm predictably, which is like, actually quite predictably, which smacks off into a bunch of other nuclei, and that was a nuclear fission. And so doing, it releases a lot of energy in the form of amongst other things, ionizing radiation, which is very bad for you, as the dude doing this cool party trick found out when he did the cool party trick wrong.

Well, this is a recreation of the party trick, but yes. But they're using the actual core for the recreation. That's really tempting. Right. I don't think so. Because you could probably recreate it. It won't happen to me. Steel.

Yeah. Just build it. Yeah. Just build different. Yeah. Yeah. We have a picture here of the infamous demon core where while they were doing experiments on how to build an atomic bomb at Los Alamos or Oak Ridge, I forget which, you know, a guy was prying

open two halves of a otherwise critical uranium. It was plutonium. It was plutonium. It was plutonium, yeah. And yeah, it's meant to be kept apart with wooden blocks. And his fun party trick was to knock the wooden blocks out with a screwdriver. And then just go like, woo, woo, and tease it. tease the riskality with a screwdriver. Which I guess gets a big laugh out of a room full of nuclear physicists.

He was edging the core. He was joining the core, boy. Yeah, God, say, come on. So tired to talk to you about. Stop it. And it's like, previously, previously a guy had like, fucked up alone, experimenting with this core and given himself a fatal dose of radiation. I'll do it. Yeah, and then then this different guy Lewis Losen was like fucking around with it and also gave himself the different like a different kind of radiation. Oh, the same guy. No, he gave himself the same kind of radiation poisoning in a different way.

radiation, or the same guy, no, he gave himself the same kind of radiation poisoning in a different way. Also, I should say the guy was also like probably wearing cowboy boots at the time he did this because I'm just there was a lot of cowboy shit going on in the man head and brash. I checked it, I will say. Yes, yeah, and he slept like he slept and he got if you remember Therak 25 episode this is a Therak 23 I never remember but we we talked about like measurements of radiation exposure he got like 1.14 grays or 114 rads of gamma radiation in like a second Yeah Well, you know, I'm the best of us. Yeah. So that's that's what is. Yeah. And they

they blew up that call in a nuclear bomb test later on. They did. We got to talk about what is the nuclear bomb. It's like really fucked up bowling accident where you're bowling with explosives and the pins are also explosives and the entire bowling hall is also explosive. Right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, I mean, basically, you take one of these highly radioactive cores and there, you know, they go critical, which means they release a lot of radiation, but that's not enough. You need more than that, right? You got to make them go super critical. So you put it in the middle of a bunch of conventional explosives, right? Or maybe you put it at the end of a bunch of explosives. You detonate all those explosives, and then that compresses the core. So it's so dense and it's under so much pressure, it becomes

super critical and there's all kinds of these nuclear reactions, what to go on. And then it explodes much bigger. Yeah, and then there's a lot of energy. And then it's normal. Full moon of like, heat and light. And yes, and there's a radiation. And it, you know, the fucking knocks a houseouse over vaporizes the house and over the, yeah. And then if you're very don't know, you would do a fusion bomb instead, where there is,

you know, a conventional fishing bomb, and then there's all this bullshit down here, which is a bunch of, I forget what it is, shit. I should have written down notes that was moronic of me. Well, there were words here, but I changed the background of Black so I can't see them anymore. This is all supposed to be classified information anyway, so we shouldn't be telling you. The way that the fusion bomb works.

As fusion bomb works. Yeah, so what you have is some classified material wrapped around another classified material wrapped around which is wrapped some uranium. And then you have that as a sort of secondary adjunct to a fishing bomb right of the first or second kind. I actually got this image from one of the Mar-a-Lago bathroom readers. Yeah, and there's a bunch of stuff in these though we don't know about. I like talking about fog bank, which is a material. In the words of a form of general manager of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, the material is classified. Its composition is classified. It's used in the words of a form of general manager of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, the material is classified, its composition is classified, its use in the weapon is classified,

and the process of manufacturing it is classified. So actually some of my co-workers did a bunch of reporting on this, it was so heavily classified that they actually lost the institutional knowledge how to make this. And I think it was like reverse engineer it. the institutional knowledge how to make us. And I think it's like reverse engineer it. Yeah, that's good. Like first, first principles. So yeah, we've gone from a period of, you know, from the first atomic bombs where part of the sort of the horror and the open high marineness of it all was the knowledge that pretty much any sufficiently determined industrialized country could make one Whenever they felt like people don't this like a Stanford just like yeah, we built basically tiny, you know

Easy to build right the problem is getting the material right yes The guy the guy the only guy I know I knew how to make the fog bank material turned out to be Carl He would work that a It was, it was like a combination like sonaco and, uh, you know, that a chicken shop, uh, somewhere in, like, just 13 miles outside of Oak Ridge, you know, oh, yeah, like the, the mud they use for major league baseballs from that one specific location on the Delaware that they won't tell us where it is. Yeah, that's good old Carl. Man, he only tell us where it is. Yeah. Yeah.

That's good old Karl. Man, he only charged us $13 a barrel for fog bank. Exactly. God knows where he gets it. He don't ask questions about Karl. He comes, he smokes his unfiltered Winston's and he leaves. Yes. So this is this is the way in which Karl could end all human life.

Right. Well, no, he doesn't have the rest of the material. No, he just has fog bank. Yes, fog bank. He comes out and gets the barrels from behind the chicken coop. This is our game. This is this is the way in which the US Navy, US Air Force, a Russian strategic rocket forces, Chinese strategic rocket forces, is Rayleigh Millis, Harry

Royal Navy, French Navy, Pakistani Army, Indian Army, and possibly if they feel like at the Korean people's army, I'm sure I'm missing one. But I think off the top of my head, that's it. South Africa. South Africa. South Africa abandoned their... Yeah, yeah, yeah. At one point,

the South African defense forces could end all human life, uh, in an afternoon, when like 20 minutes, um, also Pepsi. Yeah, Pepsi for a minute. For a hot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so much of politics, uh, since, you know, 1945, it has been about how we don't do that.

And it's playing nuclear-hop potato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so far, against all odds, we have managed it. Yeah, it's hard for everyone. Only used it in anger twice at Japan. This is the main use of nuclear weapons, is to murder a bunch of people. Yeah. You know, here we see the city of Hiroshima, which has been decidified. There's no city left. This is the primary use of nuclear bombs is to kill a whole bunch of people.

Mm-hmm. But it's also useful to have a really big explosive for other reasons. Can you, can you, some of them over the course of another hour or so? I can't, but other hours, she says, I can't believe her own shit. So these are just a few pictures of, just kind of interesting pre, I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that.

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I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to do that. believe a rod of plutonium. Oh, one of those drop and run ones. It's, well, I, I don't know exactly what it is. It's called ball 60. Wait, it's a cobalt. Did I just like misread the caption? Okay. No, no, no, I mean, the drop and run rod is cobalt six. Yeah, okay.

Well, this one is. I think one also wants a drop and run. Yeah, it's not like you're gonna be, what, you're gonna take it down to the bar and be like, hey, guys, like what I found, I don't know where the lead-line briefcase in or that I would do that. I would do that. I would bring it. Yeah, delicious. So turning a fucking, what are these rods into like a salt shaker? No, I was he drinks drill. I holl hold it out with a drill. Oh, I would do that. That's else. Yeah. That's not fun. The party trick, when my drink starts bubbling for no apparent

reason. Yeah. So that's bubbling because I believe that plutonium rod is reacting with itself so much that it's actually boiling the water in the the beaker there. In the middle, you have a portable X-ray that they came up with. I'm guessing they don't still use this for safety reasons. No, probably not. I really like just to focus back in on the first one for a minute. But what you've done is nuclear power with none of the bullshit bureaucratics, it steps in between the nuclear and power. Yeah, you just like, you just hook it into the water like a used car battery, right?

You just throw the spicy rock in the water. So long as you don't need to use the water for anything, you're impulsing a lot of energy into that water. It's heavy water now. it's useful. Yes. So there on the right, I just threw it in because I know there's some Pennsylvanians on the show, and that was an early reactor in Pennsylvania. Next slide. That says Oak Ridge Tennessee right there, but It says Oak Ridge Tennessee right there, but so one of the big focuses for how to use nuclear energy was in July 1957, the University of California radiation laboratory at Livermore, there might be a shorter name for it, established something that they called project plowshare.

So the name is a biblical reference. It's quote, either swords and a plowshares unquote, whatever that stuff. Next slide. All right, Jim. They wanted to find non-genicidal uses for nuclear weapons. You know, peacetime stuff, infrastructural. I'm sure they are all their ideas,

talks about meetings. So they figured that we're gonna build this stuff anyway. We may as well use it Right, right, right. Highway, highway widening projects don't just happen Good point. You could wipe out a couple black neighborhoods real quick Exactly. Who says yeah, it's not genocide when we're doing it to our own people, dude Right, that's how it works. Yeah. So, I see the mention of underground testing as well, which we started doing pretty quickly. I say, we, the Americans started doing pretty quickly.

And then, I guess, realized that that's a good way to move, pretty quickly. And then I guess realized that that's a good way to move, say, move to disintegrate large amounts of earth very quickly. Yeah, we'll get to that. I mean, basically they thought it was going to be maybe more economical. And the use is for it. As you mentioned underground stuff, they were talking about blasting out caverns for storing natural gas or just accessing resources like natural gas, making reservoirs dams, like you could blow up the side of a mountain and then the rubble would just cascade into the river and you got a dam,

or you could even chain a bunch of them together for bigger projects. And also just because this is a left-wing podcast, I'll also bring up the fact that the Soviets had a similar program in conceived in 1949, but they didn't really get there's rolling until I think about 1965. It was called Nuclear Explosions

for the National Economy. Oh, that's a great album name. That's a great album name. Yeah, I've seen those guys perform with crass, actually, I think. I mean, ironically, you could say that about the US program too, seeing as our national economies underpinned by arms dealing. Next slide. So the best known of these proposals, one of the very earliest came in 1958.

This is project chariot you're looking at. It was a proposal to use five hydrogen bombs to excavate a harbor in Alaska. So, according to a Princeton University report I found on this, the DOE Department of Energy really, really, really wanted this to happen. They got on site, they drilled bore holes to scout the, basically just to get the thing ready. They apparently even transported at least one warhead there, and also soil contaminated that was from the Nevada test site. So even though this is Alaska, there were people

who were unhappy, the locals, the innupiate. Surprise, the US government doesn't give a shit about the indigenous people. They didn't want the US government to nuke where they lived, which is understandable, I think. There was a rumor circulating among the local populace that the US had already, well, the US government had already buried a warhead there. The US government said, oh, the boreholes aren't big enough for a nuke.

It later came out there alive, and the boreholes were big enough for the bombs. The locals ended up, yeah. Yeah, the locals ended up winning out, but they still had to do an environmental remediation because the boreholes were contaminated with a crap down of diesel apparently. I have no idea why that was in there. Oh, because you can just like dump diesel fuel anyway you want to until about like 2000, I guess.

I was about to say, yeah, my understanding here is also that there was no economic reason for this harbor It just didn't make sense to do it except as a demonstrator project with the harbor. Well, you could would not have been is gonna be And you can look at Russia. Yeah, clearly a guy like a white guy in an office trying to pick somewhere He doesn't think there are people right like right exactly right difficult to Exactly. Right. A difficult to make a harbor in Nevada. Um, that's the long chain of nukes. Although I believe, I believe because I have, I don't have a personal, huge knowledge of Alaskan railways, but I do have access to it. There was one point of railroad that went here. Um, access to it, there was one point of railroad that went here.

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of like a laskin infrastructure that was sort of like only built for Second World War and then Cold War purposes. Yeah, it was it was it was built for mining in like 1880 and it was gone by 1890. Exactly. It's like sort of half abandoned and like leads you to strange places like the highway that goes between nowhere and nowhere. Well, like sort of half abandoned and like leads you to strange places like the highway that goes between nowhere and nowhere. Well like the one town you can only get through through a shed use railroad tunnel. That's just weird. Yeah. That's I think it's a wish. Shut up for the show. Happy sweeping. Get your cat. So anyway, a military official apparently admitted that they had actually left behind a bomb. Um, another, another, another, we were doing it. For a one day, the guessing you're nuclear weapons.

We've lost so many of them, dude. Broken arrows, baby. There's a part. Yeah. Yeah. I made, I made jokes about Ukrainian loose nooks, but like we all out in loose nooks too. Yeah, one of which is in Raza's basement. That's not mine. Oh, okay.

So, all right. Also, the contaminated waste from the Nevada test site, they just buried it. And apparently it wasn't declassified until the 90s. Today, the residents of Point Hope nearby have one of the highest cancer rates in the country and cancers the leading cause of death. Officially, the reason why it didn't happen, as you mentioned, is basically they didn't have a use for it

and they realized it. I'm like, wait, why are we doing this? We're doing this for the second time. But officially officially it was because of pushback from the locals, which I mean, clearly we know they didn't really go fuck about. There was a lot of callousness that was kind of, I'm not going to say pervasive, but there was callousness in the plowshare program. And this was not the last occasion on which that would cause a problem next slide. So, oh gosh, I don't have to do this. That's a little snack good. Oh, not good. We're not good.

Speed Bob. So I just wanted to picture conventional explosives because we have to talk about the role that conventional explosive testing played in plowshare. And this was, I googled Bob-omb and this came up and I thought this would be like a good shock because you enjoy sort of like brain poisoning your friends. Yes, I love exposing people to Nintendo fetish porn. He does. He do be having some juicy toes though. No, no, you want to talk about deep-sea fucking like life forms after I didn't want to talk about it.

Uh-huh. Now we're going to talk about Nintendo foot fetish porn. This is what you want. Advertisers. This is what you want. You want this? We are never doing an exclusive deal with Spotify, are we? We never get the Joe Rogan money. And you know why it's because of your goddamn Nintendo feet pornography, which I think is the best spot all those. You're handedly stuffing us from selling out, keeping us honest by the force of your own pervert. I've cut a pointy. I've not got a lot.

I'm not going to lie to you. You guys have got short fuse. Anyway, so chariot was like the best known proposal from this program, but it was far from the most extreme, and even further from the one that progressed the furthest. That's because I actually did do a bunch of tests. First, like I mentioned with conventional explosives, from my study of one of the projects I went full special interest on one of them at one point, which we'll get to later, they used conventional tests as kind of a proof of concept for the bigger, more expensive,

and more consequential nuclear tests. They were basically designed to escalate in scale as they learn more about how excavation worked. They started out by basically figuring out how different surfaces, different, there's a word for ground, like forms of earth reacted. Terrain? I suppose. Yeah, that's the one I think terrain. There's a word for ground, like forms of earth reacted. Terrain?

I suppose. Yeah, that's the one I think terrain. Just different terrains to figure out how they'd react. Like, you know, how big of a hold is this make? How does the material scatter? And so they could model the scattering of fallout. It's all just kind of like to make sure they know how the nukes are going to play out when they use them. They're kind of boring.

So let's just talk about the nukes. Next slide. Oh, thank God. So December 10th, 1961. Project Nome was detonated. That's Gnome. Project Dwarf Ultra's. Yes.

Project. Project project. I project Eurost. I prefer kitty if we're all being honest, but I'm a normal. No. Okay, so you do not ask about the rim world guys politics. They are not good. So this was supposed to be

1958 like back when cherry was going, but it got delayed by the nuclear testing moratorium. It was the first continental weapons test outside of the Nevada test site since the Trinity explosion trivia. So they had learned from a detonation in 1957 called Operation Plum Bob, that nuclear detonations, they make a ton of radioactive isotopes for testing or whatever they wanted to use that for, but they end up embedded in molten rock and like they're inaccessible.

No, no, no, they decided that they would detonate it underground in a salt mine. The idea was you could pump water into the cavern afterward, use the residual heat to make electricity, and then extract the isotopes from the salt, which I think sounds pretty clever. That's elegant. Yeah, like've got the diagram there. They detonated a 3.1 kiloton bomb under assault dome in New Mexico. I think that's about 1 1 1 1 the yield of little boy. So very small. Very small.

Well, like, yeah, it's just a little guy. A little a moves a little bit. You know, like, littlest boy. Small bean, right? Yes. Yeah, it's a small bean bomb. So this this detonation was supposed to self seal the cavern, but it didn't in it unintentionally invented radioactive steam. Fortunately, the ice to go for and created the world's fastest object, I believe. This is, I think this is the one where they had,

like at the end of all of this behind the giant sort of, like plugged cabin and the thing that was supposed to self-seal at the top of the shaft, there is like a manhole cover, essentially, just like to put something overseas and fall down the shaft, right? That thing is on a high speed camera for one frame and it goes up and it's gone. I know what you're talking about. I don't know if that's this test, but I really hope so because I love telling that story. Either that manhole cover plug, whatever, either it was doing five times escape velocity or something

or more likely it was probably just vaporized. No, I like to believe it's up there now. I do too. But we'll never know anything in aliens day. Oh, there was a club. There was a press club. What the fuck? We shot down Voyager with it.

Yeah, we brought down, oh my god. I'm not on steam. Holly Bridge 3. We we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we Steve, I probably, no, I picked probably figure out his Steve login actually. I built the computer. No, no, I'm just, there's, there's, you know, these, these notifications that show up in the corner, it's very annoying. It is very annoying. I thought I had them turned off and I, apparently not. I'm a big fan of just leaving all my shit, just wide open. Yeah. If I die, I die, you know what I mean? It was, it was the Pascal B test. They had a, like cap on the top of it.

They just got launched diversically at six times escape velocity. My dad did that with a faldas can and like a couple silver salutes when he was eight and they never got a can again. So I guess that's an orbit too. So anyway, the radioactive steam, the isotopes decayed pretty quickly, and that did not end up being a problem next slide. Really wasn't expecting to have fossils here.

Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't, I actually have never seen one of these episodes, so I just decided to try to make it good. Oh, make my presentation good is what I mean. Anyway, so the detonation ended up carving open a cavern 170 feet wide 90 feet tall. They waited six months to even drill into it. And even then, the temperature inside was still 140 degrees Fahrenheit. Cool. Nice. What's that in the sauce? Yeah, I can say 60 degrees. Hosty. Yeah. Yeah, that's like an even staggier skin, I think. Also apparently they found pockets of molten salt that were still 1400 degrees. Also apparently they found pockets of molten salt that were still 1400 degrees.

And it all like that. The heat and probably whatever the fuck else was going on outside the explosion formed stalactites of melted salt and it recolored a ton of it like blue, green, and violet. The radio activity was like basically nothing at that point. I don't know a ton about radiation doses, but I read it was only like five milleruncan. I think that's like half your daily dose. If you want to see how big this hole was like with people in it, next slide. Yeah, there's some dudes walking around. So, guys, that's probably too late for them. They can get there, right? Yeah. Then on July 6, 1962, they detonated a follow-up that served as the first true nuclear excavation experiment,

Project Sedan, next slide. Yeah, they blew up a car, practice. Yeah. There's like a plymuth in that, you know. And there's like a not my bearer Kudah. So I actually just did that. Yeah. My whole park to my alpha. My whole city in that put the handbrake on God out and started running. Know what they did as they backed to Ford Pinto into it. Yeah. Yeah.

Ah, car jokes. So like almost all of these were like named for vehicles. You got projects to Dan, Cheri, Cari, all of us will get to. I think it's etymologically like the word from before we call them SUVs. There's actually a video of this one you can find on YouTube. It's really cool worth a watch. It looks like it's being filmed in slow-mo,

but it's apparently real time because you just kind of get like, actually wait, this is still for it. Next slide. Alice, you were right, there was no. Bear Accuited to them. I'm owning a phone. So, that dome there is like basically right as it's

about to just kind of blast fire into the atmosphere. This was a 104 kiloton bomb or about five times a yield of fat man at the bottom of a 636-foot shaft at the Nevada test site. Yeah that dome of earth you see there is about 300 feet tall. The blast displaced 11 million tons of earth and registered a 4.75 on the Richter scale. The dust that it kicked up according to a diagram next slide. Carried as far as the East Coast, this is supposed to have affected more US citizens will fall out than any other single nuclear test conducted here. I think it accounted for 7% of the fallout that the US government dropped on other citizens. Next slide.

Apparently, by the way, this explosion is roughly analogous to a minute-man one ICBM, which the US had what, thousands of those? Yeah. And he's doing airbursts, then, though. You know, it would be a bit of a less. It would be much worse. It's not so bad, it's a bit of a nuclear weapons apologist, Justin Razdag. Well, because you have that one in your basement.

That's not mine. It doesn't belong to me. I'm just holding it for somebody. Now that makes me wonder what the yield of the explosive they dropped in the bunker in Top Gun Maverick was. A purpose of nothing. Did they nuke a rant canonically in Top Gun? Sure. I mean, the fun thing now is that thanks to science advancing as you got Mervs now.

So like new Minutemen, I say new, like Minutemen 3 or whatever have like multiple warheads on each missile. Second of the virus ones. So you just get like a bunch of different distributed effects. You get some really cool photos out of it. Like some of the test photos, it looks like, you know,

fucking like eight laser beams coming down at once. It's wild. So we're looking at the crater left by the sedan detonation. Oh, that's a big hole. Okay. Yes, yes, it is. That's America's gaping pussy.

Oh, yes, the's gaping pussy Oh, yes, the new clear the new clear Perry minute more of a more of an asshole than a pussy to me. Oh, excuse me. Oh crazy for that new gas I'm not sure why I like when straight to pussy when I looked at it. I was wrong with me But strange unusual woman, but that's okay But that's okay. That's very true. Um, yeah, that, that's America's whole. It's America's asshole. America's boy. So, not that. Yes. Well, it's a Gaper because that's about a quarter mile wide there and 330 feet. Daddy.

Man, America's a slut. If you've been a meteor crater in Arizona, I don't know if anybody has, it's like a tourist trap on Route 66. It's cool as fuck actually. They've got like a looping AM radio ad for it that's just fucking great. Anyway, what you're looking at is only about a third is wide and half is deep, so this is big, but you could see better. That meteor impact was estimated to be equivalent to 10 megatons, just for reference.

The radiation levels at the lip of the crater, one hour after detonation were 500 Rentgen. But it eventually dispersed, and after seven months you could walk in the crater floor unprotected. I mean this is always sort of interesting to me is how like long lived like radiation levels to just be walking around kind of aren't in some ways. Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki being rebuilt. Yeah, they still exist. Yeah. Modern, modern, now we can sit like low yield nuclear weapons and stuff. Yeah, it's, I don't know, this is like, some of the things about nuclear weapons that the popular

imagination captured, so like a lot of the horror, but attributed it to the wrong thing, you know. Yeah, you're not going to wind up in a sort of on the beach type situation, you know, that's actually the nuclear weapons are continuing my theme of being a nuclear weapons apologist, not that bad. No, what happens? What happens if there's like a full blown nuclear exchange in your country somehow sits it out, isn't you wait for the radiation to kill you? You wait to starve to death.

Yes, yes, that's the big issue. Yeah. So a bunch of the subsequent detonations under Palau share are not as well documented. Most of them are just kind of like to produce heavy elements for experimentation to try to develop a cleaner bomb, let's fall out, I guess more complete,

more complete detonation, whatever you want to call that. A lot of tests to see how they would affect different types of terrain, a follow up dispersal, again, just kind of upscaling the conventional weapon tests. What I want to do now is sidetrack a little bit into one of the more extreme proposals, which was my special interest. Next slide.

Oh, wait, the test is time to geek can out. Not that time, but gay canal. Oh, not that one, but so yeah, they proposed digging canals with this. One of the most extreme proposals was digging another Panama canal. Oh, okay. Panama canal too. We've made a sort of like a bangle. Oh, it's nuclear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nickname was the panatomic canal.

Oh, that's gorgeous. That's that's futurism to me. We need a we need a palindrome for that. Yeah, but like I'm very interested in sort of the physics of how you proposed to create either a nuclear weapon or a series of nuclear weapons that has a linear output like that. I think this was a sort of fanciful drawing because and would require a lot of grading or whatever else because it would not have looked like that. So they figured out if I wanted to punch a guys with shovels. Yes. They figured out a few places they wanted to do it

including Columbia, two spots in Panama and apparently wanted Nicaragua as well. The idea was really just to increase canal traffic, which they ended up doing by just widening the Panama Canal that 15 years ago. Yeah. Imagine those conversations, by the way, like with a government that is perhaps a U.S. client state, but encountering, can we detonate a nuclear weapon in your country? Can we literally...

We literally... We literally... We literally... We literally... We literally split we borrow all nuclear weapons? Yes. Can we literally split your country into nuclear weapons? And we, it'll be good for your country. Yeah. You'll be good for the local economy. Why are you running away? Why are all of your young people coming communist? All we want to do is to line up a bunch of nuclear weapons and like, we split you into like a coconut. Well, a little bit half like a piece of lumber, yes, I know. Yeah.

So, this was not the biggest program that they actually proposed. In later on on 63, just to jump ahead briefly, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory proposed using 520 bombs to cut a canal through Israel to circumvent the Suez Canal. That's what you will. It's a lasting settlement for peace. Yeah. I wrote. I wrote, I'm sure Netanyahu is frothing to make a Gaza Strip in all that way.

Like split both Israel and Palestine in half for a four state solution. Yes. Kind of into it. It's like now. I can't say. So anyway, the one I wanted, you can't operationalize from the rivets of the sea that way. That's my right. You could though, you could do a hydroelectric dam, you know, that way and then just store it down.

Five people. So it's also a floods it. Yeah. The goal and flats. I don't know. So the one I wanted every every mountain shall be made low every valley shall be filled, you know, you can find biblical illusions with this any way you want. I mean, the whole fucking name is a

biblical. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Next slide. So here we are, bad start, I know the ATSF. This is the one. I mean, please tell me this works like a nuclear rocket. And they're just like, we got to look most of the bomb at the end of it, a lot of lead shielding in the middle and it just goes really fast. I'm sure they wanted to do that. But I believe there were talks between the Atomic Energy Commission and the Denver and Rio Grande, Western about what if there's a way to retrofit a nuclear reactor

into a regular reciprocating steam locomotive. And it was enough that there was talk, but it didn't go anywhere. I heard that once. I was like ghost, but it's like, yeah, sorry. And then there was a couple of, there's a couple of university projects for like, how do we build an atomic locomotive? And it was feasible. It was just a stupid idea. Because the ultimate locomotive is the one

that runs on overhead lines. Yeah, you can't actually do anything better than that. Yeah. Um, I looked up that a Denver and Rio Grande nuclear locomotive thing. I haven't found any evidence of that. I've heard the same thing. I would love to see like a source on that because it's a powerful. I mean, that's, that's the big thing. I mean, it didn't maybe it happened, but who knows?

Yeah. Um, but who knows? Yeah. But what did almost got closer to happening was project carry-all, which you're looking at right here. This was a proposal that got pretty far along. Again, we can kind of blame the Atreson Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad, the precursor to the BNSF for this. Basically, they got wind of project plowshare. I don't know if it was classified or not. I figure not. And the classify once you start

doing it, once you actually blow up the harbor and Alaska. Yeah, they're just like, oh, whatever that came from. Don't look at that. That's where the where the big hole come from. All of that. That's classified. Yeah., that end like I bet it was kind of a propaganda way to say, oh yeah, we figured out, you know, use this for nuclear weapons. That's not killing everybody on the planet. Useful combat for any of the like, military stuff you want to test as well.

I mean, that's like their cover for basically. Oh, this is a civilian nuclear bomb. That's not a military nuclear bomb. This is a sense thing. It's like this is on by this, this is on by HNTV. This is a sense and thing. It's like this is owned by, this is owned by HNTV. This is owned by E-Com. This is not a military bomb. This is a civilian bomb owned by a respectable engineering firm.

The respective engineering firm is just Roths. That's not mine. Hi, it's Justin. So this is a commercial for the podcast that you're already listening to. People are annoyed by these, so let me get to the point. We have this thing called Patreon, right? The deal is you give us two bucks a month and we give you an extra episode once a month. Sometimes it's a little inconsistent but you know it's two bucks you get what you pay for. It also gets you our full back catalog of bonus episodes so you can learn about exciting topics

like guns, pickup trucks, or pickup trucks with guns on them. The money we raise through Patreon goes to making sure that the only ad you hear on this podcast is this one. Anyway, that's something to consider if you have two bucks to spare each month. Join at patreon.com forward slash WTYP pod. Do it if you want. Or don't, it's your decision and we respect that. Back to the show. So they were asking the Atomic Energy Commission for help with a shortcut through the Bristol Mountains in November 1963.

Next slide. mountains in November 1963, next slide. So just to give you an idea where that is, that's kind of northeast of LA, it's the big obstacle between LA and Las Vegas. I almost said new Vegas. We've got dams too much. And you've got massive. Yeah, you got death valid in the North, Joshua Tree,

to the South. At this time, the Interstate Highway Program was also, you know, full swing. The US government was looking for a way to route interstate 40 through the area. This is where Route 66 already was, but I 40 was supposed to, you know, circumvent it save some time. The interstate highway system will probably be an episode that you guys do one day. Next slide. Sort of did it a long time ago. Yeah.

I just want to say the drafting on these documents is very nice. Yeah. I think I that anymore. I liked like just going back through the OS T I archive and just going like, damn, I wish like public documents still look this good. Exactly. You know, maybe a photocopy or burn?

Microsoft Word can't do this shit. This doesn't look like it, because they're hand-lessed. I, you're all doing it in blue beam now. So the Lawrence radiation laboratory and the ATSF figured out they could save a ton of money by literally blowing up an entire mountain to build a bypass.

I mean, they've done that conventionally before, right? Yes. I mean, you look at parts of... What's the big hole in the mountain there, like Comberlid, Maryland? That's a big one. Then there's a couple other instances where, especially recently with the, what is the Appalachian Highway network, you have these, just, you know, you're applying basically mountain top removal mining techniques in order to jam a highway through

to somewhere where you really don't need one. Yeah, I think originally, and it's been two years, so I might have this wrong. I think the ATSF actually wanted a tunnel originally, but that's not really as interesting. I've got in a later slide, basically, where I think is the exact location that they were going to do this. Anyway, what you're looking at in the diagram is this thing was supposed to be big enough to fit two rail lines and an eight lane divided highway. To do this, they plan to string along 22 bombs with a total yield of 1,730 kilotons or about 1.7 megatons. A lot of rut about two miles long. The idea they floated it. That seems so not efficient when you put it that way. Yeah, especially when you could probably

build a tunnel for I would guess less than the concept 22 nuclear bombs. Anyway, they proposed this in 1963. They thought they could be done with blasting in 1966 and then have everything open for traffic in 1969. Obviously that didn't happen or you'd have heard about it by now. There's a neat monument to this somewhere along I-40 or 66. I'm pretty sure I did not say the picture of that next slide. I mean, it's cool that you have a monument to something that didn't happen. Like this is the terrible idea that we avoided. I was going to make a,

I was going to make a reference to the Confederacy there, but that was, that did happen. And the majority of people I did not avoid. Yeah. Yeah. Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait happen. And they were like, they really, really, really did not avoid. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait there's white people.

Yeah, yeah, not very many of them. It doesn't matter, like, you know, the government counts those. Yeah, well, they count all of them anyway. Yeah. So they were trying to develop cleaner bombs, so they didn't have to worry about fallout. They seemed to be hoping that after blasting, that they could get to work in his little four days,

remember the bottom of sedan wasn't safe to crawl around in for seven months. An expert at the San Diego National Labs, I found this cited on a blog called The Tomic Skies. I haven't been able to find the primary source for this. An expert at San Diego National Labs later criticized the projected radiation and fallout dispersal map, which he said could go twice as far and be five times as radioactive, next slide. That's that map. So even if they managed to build a clean bomb,

they still expected to scatter at dust cloud, seven miles wide and 12,000 feet high that could spread as far as a hundred miles Again seems not ideal that's not seems bad neat needles here, which is sort of indicated. Do we know how big is that a sissy is that a town work? Ah, looks like a good size town based on Google maps Hmm It looks like a good size town based on Google maps. Hmm. I mean, it's not super big, but it's also like, wow, you know, people live there. Needles. How many live there?

4,093 now. The other thing is you got to assume it was one of these old railroad towns that probably had more people back then than it does now. Or a Route 66 rest stop kind of thing. Yeah, that's got a train station. Yeah, there is actually I think the BNSF line might run through that. There's a fair chance. Yeah, population in 1960 was 4,590. This was growing.

Yeah. This was growing yeah damn oh yeah, there's a lot of these horrible like Arizona style suburban developments out here, you know like They built that like the canals between the houses and all that bullshit. Oh my god places where man was not meant to go. Yes So the air and ground shock Yes. So, the error and ground shock from this detonation they thought was at risk of damaging and above ground gas pipeline in the area, as well as the Route 66 tourist stop of Amboi. They either underestimated or played down the impact it would have had at Amboi because

when I dug into the thresholds for like damage to structures and what they thought the pressure wave was going to be modern data indicates that the blast could have broken windows. Sure. They also said at the time they expected the ground shock had cracked plaster, so it would be enough to knock down Grover House. Oh, no, oh, no. Wow, no.

How are we going to build the canal through the great dismal swamp now. What they have done these bombs and sequencer, what do they have just, you know, hit them all at once? I think it would have been a one two kind of thing. They did a string do like several of them and then they're going down away from that. That's fucking that'd be cool. I would, I would go and watch that and be blinded. What's underground? So underground. So probably not. But anyway, just to be sure that it was going to go off safely, they waited on the results of

kind of proof of concept tests called buggy and galley. Lame. Yeah. Well, I don't know the cool names, you know. They've run out of car names. They've blew up all the cars. Project mid-size crossover. It's a DC or sender. Project suburban. Project K. Project Kka. I'll project Cutless. I'll project Cutless will be a mother fucker. So, Buggin Galley were kind of meant to be dry runs that they planned on

setting off in Southwest Idaho. Again, just a kind of, so from reading into them, they were also like pre-rex for the canal projects because they were excavation experiments, or at least, you know, things to see how, how the different terrains reacted. Bagi, I think, was a single detonation maybe, and Gali was supposed to be like a string of them. They got the conventional explosive tests for those done but never the nuclear ones. Next slide.

And at the end of the day you're all just working out of a trailer I guess. Sure. Well they're trailers on screen. Do you guys still have a canester that way, huh? Cannester C-A-N-N-I-S-T-R. I don't even spell it with one end. I've never seen it as one end. Yeah. It might be a typo for all we know. Yeah, this is a risk when you hand less of stuff, I guess. Yeah.

Way worse now than it used to be. So what they also got done were more excavation tests. Most of them theoretical, but they did set off a couple that were kind of closer to being real excavation experiments. The first of these was December 10, 1967 gas buggy, which was set off in New Mexico. That sounds amazing. So they set the saw of a new Mexico very close to if not on the jicarilla Apache reservation. I also mind a bunch of uranium out there or might think if somewhere else. It's really great. It's great that about shafted at both ends, you know. I think that might have been on the Navajo reservation and I only say that because I read

the entire Tony Hillerman series. Oh, what? You want the Iranian back? Sure. I'm sure it's very good to return it, unfortunately. So anyway, the idea was to see if this could be used to, quote, stimulate what the dual-guessing. Duke fracking. You're fracking. What the fuck? Duke fracking is not a phrase I should ever have to say. Brown flaming nuclear water.

Yeah. I should ever have to say the phrase, you're a Fracking. Ross. Oh, it works. It works. Yeah. Ha ha ha.

Like every one of us gets like one crank issue, we get to take a real position on. For me, it's Ukraine, for you, it's nuclear weapons and for Liam and anarchism. Like this is fine, it's just known, right? Yeah. It will not surprise you that this was partially funded by the El Paso natural gas company. I mean, that's, you know, a civil military cooperation, I guess. So it's like a nuclear bomb for like whatever shit you had going on. These bombs, they're just going to sit there if you don't use them. I mean, you know, you're just gonna sit there if you don't use them I mean you know you're just gonna have that yeah I mean the thing is right and like 238 million years they're gonna

be like half of them are gonna be gone yeah like off you sluts you gotta be like trying to light wet firecracker I left my nuclei bombs too long. So the gas. I just thought about somebody going to like the nuclear waste test site that's like constructed an intricate series of rituals and like symbology to convey. Don't dig here. It's very dangerous, but they're there so long after that it is no longer dangerous. And it's just like, it's fine. There's buried a bunch of like oil drums that don't do anything.

So gas buggy, they, sorry, they, no, you're good. You're good. They detonated a 29 kiloton of the 4,200 mile 27 shaft. I was saying, you know, yeah. So there were two problems with the test. Drillers, the drillers, the drillers left early that day. A quick time. Yeah, they timed that. Like, we don't tell them anymore. Don't the bum off the back of a truck and just leave. That my brother.

Just like kick it off the back of the tight. OK. There were two takeaways from this test. One, that fracking with a nuclear bomb was less effective than they expected. Like they didn't get as much gas out, so they thought. Also that the gas that they could extract is too radioactive to be useful. Yeah, they tried to run it like a guy's car and it did the alpha-romyocene. Cleaning up after this took a couple

years, they disposed most of the radioactive waste just by putting it back deep into the ground, just like how you get rid of a spenucleic fuel. Yeah. Yeah, kick it over the edge of the tailgate. Yeah. Not my problem. Definitely want to tease the oil down there for season.

Yeah. They use car batteries. I mean, if you've got any shit, you like don't want back and you want a rig. season nine. Yeah. The use car batteries. I mean, if you've got any shit, you like don't want back and you want to really get rid of, you know, the whole is right there. Like, I was about to say, you better call up the whole town and say, Hey, you got any shit you don't want to throw it in the hole. We're gonna have to steal this to a few days. You got out, you got, you got until Wednesday, throw your shit in the hole. Yeah, you got to be really sure that you don't ever want it back,

but like how in the hole, yeah, this is, this is where I want my Facebook post from 2010. They only stopped on the advocate. Uh, you got to, you got to get yourself banned from Twitter like me, all my post in high school gone forever. Thank God From Twitter at least once So they only stopped monitoring the site in 2015 I

Don't get the impression that this turned into a disaster But like it was blasting radioactive gas for a bit. So you couldn't call it a success. I have a story about that actually. It's very embarrassing. It's very funny. It involves the biggest part of my life in front of an entire PR team. Anyway, so next slide. No, no, tell the story. Just go to the left and say, you can't leave it there.

Yeah. Well, maybe this can be safety turned. I don't know. Yeah, no, let's talk about that later. Because anyway, this test was not successful. So next slide, please. They did it again. You know what? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We're too close together. Oh, boy. I Want to give it a second try, you know? On September 10th, 1969, they were one day off. They up the Up the Annie with project to Roleson, which took place on the western slope of Colorado. It's like basically Utah Project was of Colorado, it's like basically Utah. Projects what? Rolesan, R-U-L-I-S-O-N.

It was named after the nearby town. OK. Yeah, nothing goes on over there. Like Western slope of Colorado, named a couple cars on the main streets. Killed those, Killed those ring. Killed those ring. That Western slope.

Town full of life. I thought that was more more mountain town. It says more mountain. Yeah To town towns to have Spanish names that they pronounce Anglo like lemon which is pronounced Lyman The Lyman know that the worst one for that is Buena Vista oh God one of us. Yeah, yeah, being a Buna Vista's in Virginia Oh God, one of us. Yeah, being a Buna Vista's in Virginia and Florida and also Colorado. Your country has done so many terrible things to Spanish. Don't want to hear it.

Don't want to fucking hear it. Oh, I mean, he put a bunch of things. We didn't send you our motto. We didn't send you our motto. This one was also partially paid for by petroleum companies, the Austro oil company, and also something that I haven't been able to find out much info about. This is not an oil company, it's the CER Geonuclear Corporation, which is kind of cool in ominous, but like there's nothing about this on the internet.

This was a 40 kiloton bomb at the bottom of an 8400 foot shaft. Again, they were trying to frack natural gas with a nuke. The answer was yes. And also, the gas is still unusably radioactive for home use. Oh, good. Now, you know what I suppose. Maybe they'll counteract the particular admissions though. So this one doesn't seem to have produced a big environmental issue of any kind, but there was some noise in 2007 about them thinking shouldn't investigate again, just to be sure.

Um, but again, this one, it just did not produce the results they wanted. So next slide. And they really kept trying this on. They did it again. Again, okay, good, good. Good. We're making progress on these clean bombs. I don't like how that dude is wearing cowboy boots and standing right next to a mine shaft with no fence. That means he's good at his job.

Well, wait till you find out how deep this hall is. But I'd like to say it's good, good, this is good size hall. I mean, he's standing on the grating, isn't he? Yeah, but like next to him is like, you know, the abyss. That honestly looks like the inside of the Death Star for episode six, you know? Yeah. One of them just came out onto it and like, how down the thing, yeah. One of them is just going to palpateen the other one down. It looks like a, it looks like a blowout preventer.

Um, which I assume they would not have installed before they detonated the bomb. Hmm. This is like the radiation vent. Hey, I'll be right. Should I let him come back first? No, don't worry about it. Okay. Snooze lost Liam forever

Liam was falling down the mine shaft Well, we're all dripping those cowboy boots They did do something a little bit different. So I'm kind of tempted to wait till he gets back just because That's fine. We can just talk about cowboy boots for a minute. Yes, it's true I bought a stetson in 2020 when I was really like both drunk and kind of high and it became kind of my bit for the next two years. Oh, the hat that like changes you as a person. The like personality hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Made in just a little fedora for a minute. Oh, no, it didn't. We all. I wasn't like, I was wearing it like on like with formal wear.

I wasn't just like wearing it. It's not so bad then. No, you supposed to wear a triforce tee with it. Yeah. Yeah, when the like khaki cargo shoelaces. I have put a motto, blue control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I should do put a motto, blue control.

I, I, I've burned all the pictures, but I think I looks pretty good on that considerate. And every time I walked around with it on, I was like, I'm a detective. Which is a good feeling, it's a good feeling. And so long as no one makes fun of you, you can keep that up for, oh, months. If you can do the like mid-Atlantic accent while you're doing it, like, it's just becomes a personality. Anyway, I'm a cowboy, baby.

Mid-Lanick accent, I believe has been completely ruined on the left by Nathan J. Robinson. You can't. And also the Fedora. Like, excuse me. At the trans-Atlantic accent, not the Mid-Atlantic accent. Yeah, that's the line. Mid-Atlantic accent is filly and ball the more.

That's an Mid-At Lantic accent was like, whatever the newscast voice is. And a minute Atlantic accent. Yeah, that those guys on that submarine, they got that real quick. Yeah, I think of like, as opposed to just an Atlantic accent, which is like William F Buckley or like Govadal, you know, I thought that was the brand's Atlantic accent. Is that a lot of action or transatlantic accent?

Apparently the same thing. Oh, okay. But Mid-Atlantic refers to Philly and Baltimore. That's Philadelphia, English, according to Wikipedia, but... Oh my God. We need to get us. Yeah, I was about to say. What do you want me to fucking do about it?

Edit it. Yeah, start editing about to say what do you want me to fucking do about it? Edit it. Yeah, start editing it's free. But but but but. Project Rio Blanco tragedy today is all Wikipedia articles have been renamed to but. Yeah, we've all been banned from Twitter, but how many of us have been banned from Wikipedia? This is what would happen if Elon Musk bought Wikipedia. That's true. Project Rio Blanco took place in about the same area

of Colorado, Western slope, nobody loves their nobody cares. This one used 33 kiloton bombs in a single well, separated about 400 feet from each other, approximately 6,000 feet underground. Same deal, this one was sponsored by Conaco. So this one seemed to eventually produce, so the first gas that came out was radioactive, but it eventually like petered out and they got usable gas. Huh. But it eventually like Peter doubt and they got usable gas This time Yeah, I didn't write down the date, but I think this was 1973

But again like by 1973 public sentiment against nuclear anything was a lot more negative Pretty much all the posture projects. Atom Kroft's nine down cut off the fuck's like, just like climate change. Fuck this all over. People love their brown coal too much. The German everyone is in his heart for the league night minds. Yeah, exactly. The American law is the nine to one.

I'm destroyed by tobaccoacadabas. I love that shit. You just you just watch in the bucket wheel excavator, closing in on your house and you know, like, this is the best thing that's ever happened. Yeah, I hate my fillets. Consumed by the machine. Yeah, yeah, I hate myself.

I want the machine to eat me. This is what being so I canceled my fillets. Consumed by the machine. Yeah, yeah, I hate myself. I want the machine to eat me. This is what being done. I canceled my appointment with the the consensual fan of losing time. Foot porn. Picking eaten by the machine. Playing playing like Baguette to a day simulator

driver simulator as the Baguette to a day eats the wall of your house. Yeah, it's exactly. I'm simulating my like. Is there a bag of two eight rule 34 out there? You know, there's gotta be people. People are Germany.

Yeah, shagger two eight eight. Oh, baby. Okay, all the projects that we're waiting to go ahead at this point were pretty much frozen because a lot of the prerequisite tests like buggy and galley had never happened. People were also figuring out that, you know, blowing up everything with nooks who wasn't actually all that great an idea And cuz this is the thing is right because it cuz Nixon was an environmentalist brackets derogatory This shit never would have happened on the car because he was a new guy, you know You would have loved that shit full steam ahead

yes So this is just my way of saying when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail And I wonder if there are any parallels to people So this is just my way of saying, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And I wonder if there are any parallels to people misunderstanding the potential of new technologies in the monolith. And the monolith. And the alarming photo of Elon. I love that photo.

That looks, well he has about to witness his own death. But how many fingers does he have? Is this AI generated? It must have. That's real. That was saying. No, there's a photo shoot of like, this is like some paparazzi photo. Oh Matt, when he doesn't like have his like his face on when he's like not curated, that's that wow. Okay. That's a like Midwestern high school librarian. Okay. That's a midwestern high school librarian. He looks like he's annoyed at Tired Hands Brewing Company just because that's the only place

I know that has glasses shaped like this. He looks, I feel bad for saying he looks like a high school librarian because those people are some of the most useful to society in Elon Musk is some of the least, but he looks like he looks like a sort of a high school librarian who was cast in the part of Baron Harconan. I was going to say he looks like he's about to lay into his server at Chili's because his one detail of his order was wrong. He's about to tip with one of those like mega church fake hundred dollar bills. He's going to he's going to give the server a lithium battery, which will then explode in her hands. I should also say I'm not sure I like the design, the chip design of this AI on the top left

here. I just Google AI. Uh huh. Well, they've done is they've just sort of like wired in. We made that we made the glass thing. We made the same thing. This is what it is. AI generated image of AI. Yeah. Very good. So what are the things of itself? Seltenwood tree. I think I think it could I think it could dream dream bigger. Yeah. Well, you kind of don't enjoy the walking sheep. That's good. Yeah.

Yeah, well you kind of don't enjoy to see the watching sheep. That's it. Boy. Yeah. Yeah I was on the next lips Next slide All right I got I got a wheel this shit out of retirement even you still use music. It's not an endorsement of the Where's my Spotify exclusive deal? Sorry to Devon. I probably should have given you some warning that the Soviet Union drop. I am also, I'm my ear's hurt now also. I didn't remember being loud.

Yeah, because that's because the Soviet Union was good. Yeah, yeah, how's it going? Yeah, when you're good, when you're good, you're also loud. Uh-huh. Hi, dad, how's it going? The reason why the flag of the USSR is on your screen right now is because, like I mentioned earlier, the USA was not the only country that got up to blowing up nukes with the goal of, are you drawing a box around it? Okay. Right, I did. Just announcing it a little bit.

I wanted to see if the red from The John Madden device and the red from the flag were the same red honestly. That's what I was That's what I was going for the Soviet Union. It's like standard red. Um, they use like a cooler scarlet Sort of a communist red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which isn't the default sadly because they lost the Cold War and we're still living with the awful consequence of that They they turned it into a pantone. That's illegal to use Ironic the only podcast that is I Was a very unguardedly pro-Soviet union and yet also quite ambivalent about some of the effects of the Soviet Union. No, I'm saying they've been usurped by capitalists by having the red turned into a pantone. That's true.

Yeah. The Italian communists, in fact, Gladio one, you know, every day of our lives with the pantone corporation. The reason again, why the hammer and sickle are a new screen is because rake guests faster than this, you know, like they normally sort of like understand what's going on here. No, I have I have the no idea about group dynamics autism. So dynamics autism. So. Okay. And Ross. Yes. I don't know what's going on.

I'm neurotypical. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, why not? And I don't know the lies. Alice tells on this podcast. Yes. Remember the live show where so

came off to us. It was like, Hey, you know, all three of you have autism, right? I was like, Yeah, we don't talk about that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that's a end. That's a heck of a cool, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a compliment. Supposed to heckle during the show, not after it. I, I, I, listen, I need a shirt or some sort of design that has like United States Department of State. And it says anti-heckling ask for us. But the Department of State logo has just been replaced with my face.

Well, in the same like institutional style like you was a so scoring eagle. Yes, yes, yes. That's a first son. Whatever. Sure. Yeah. Why not? If it gets a t-shirt printed, I don't give a shit. I mean, an eagle does sort of make sense for you, actually. It's more of a feather son. I mean, I think there is a bird sauna.

Would it just be bird sauna? It would be bird sauna, yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I think there is a taxidot. That sounds better between like furries and then there's like, scaleys I know about which are red. Scaleys exist, yeah.

No, it shows there's like an avian equivalent though. And I'm sure people will tell us in the comments, but I don't recall. Burries. Right. And now that doesn't work. I would not like to have sex with myself as a bird. I mean, the talent is one thing.

No, yeah, it's, she's got claws. I say as I, as I just started bleeding. I don't want a talent job. No, I don't want a talent job. No, I don't want to talent job. Go back to that bomb foot fetish porn, please. All right. There's no good segue into the fact that new clear explosions for the national economy continued until 1989 in the USSR.

Oh, yeah. One of the one of the criticisms of the Soviet Union that lands is man, not great about the environment. We'll get to that. They didn't go hard at all. That's the thing. You know, I mean in like three minutes. Yeah, I mean, they did what they did apart from anything else was dislocated one half of this landscape about like an inch or 300 feet depending on your point of reference upwards vertically. The There's not as much on the English internet about this program as there is about plowshare. Some of it is the language barrier. I'm sure of it, like some of us also have a stigial secrecy, but any, any, whatever you want

to call it, Soviet nerve was actually a much bigger program than plowshare. The number of nuclear tests they had was 239. Oh, fuck. Hell yeah. It was also Soviet nerve, Soviet even jelly and implies the existence of Damn it Alice

Soviet Shinji. Yeah Get the bomb Shinji making my new personality Soviet or so So the only one's bar tack jersey So the only one's bot hack jersey. The only tests from the any any whatever you want to call it because nuclear explosions from the national economy is too long to say every time you want to reference it. So the only ones we know like Russian out soviet planches. That's a good one. So the only tests we know about in the English-speaking world are about

the ones that went wrong and there were a few next slide. That implies a bunch went right. Ah, well I mean, that's not of any use to the US government that knowledge. In 1971 there was Globus I. This was done with a 2.3 kiloton bomb. That's like a fifth the size of little boy. Yeah, I'm really just like a foe so here someone hitting the bait. Yes. Oh, I guess that's a Subaru dealer. Love and catastrophic engine failure at 80,000 miles. It's what makes a Subaru Subaru headguests. It's their aware item. Yeah, yeah, tell that to my mother.

Yeah. They detonated this one 610 meters underground. I don't know what the fuck that means. Yeah, no, that's like 1900 feet or something. Got a double it and add 30. This caused a small earthquake because you know not a very big bomb. And then 18 minutes after detonation, a source I read said a fountain of mud. I prefer to imagine this as a geyser of mud erupted about a meter from the well they dug. They had really fucked up. Masked lines away.

After the mud gas followed blasting into the air for the next 20 days, the source I read said it was, quote, mostly inert, unquote, but had a half life of several months. Just like a two-dude stately on top of one of those mountains in the background just like with. I love this. I love this.

I love this. I love this. I don't see what the problem is. Oh, yes. If you have the Sukubliat drop, interrupt me with it. Oh, I have so many Sukubliat drops. Which one should I use? It's a real question. Sukubya drops one which one shall I use all of real it's a real question So the government tried to cover it up. They set up an exclusion zone around the site that classic

Um, I think also happened to encircle part of the nearby town Classic in circle part of the nearby town. Classic. And so good that model for like natural disasters or unnatural disasters is pretty pretty it is like don't let anyone out. At what point do the helicopter start dropping boron into it? I mean this does get ugly pretty quick. They buried some of the equipment and hoped nothing would. Because they didn't tell anybody that anything had happened, a couple of teenagers went to go and check out the blast site. Well, after I crawling away, what I've done then. Yeah, you are spiritually rushing in your soul. You crave. That's all weird things to say to a foolish person. I haven't heard many times before from Russia.

Yeah, I respect all Slavs. There are as there's no Slav, I do not respect. That's better than most Slavs can say. Oh. All right, now that we're doing some casual ethnic cleansing on this podcast. Well, we're only talking about casual ethnic cleansing I'm gonna be sorry. a casual casual casual pants,

love nationalism. What could possibly go wrong? We need a single Slavic nation. Alice is tired. Let's wrap this, but job. I'm tired, but I'm fascinated by Justin almost inventing like pant like Yugoslavia too. Yeah.

I will be the next Tito. Slow but on Marazavitch. Yeah, I will be the next Tito. Slow but on Marazavitch. The teenagers complained of bad headaches before just dying officially for meningitis. Okay. Okay. Then the health problems in the area started. There were miscarriages, elevated cancer rates, premature babies born, on

brand it's fuck a two-headed calf, which I hope they named Brahman was born. Yeah, and the local Tumblr wrote a really sweet poem about it like 40 years laser. And then somebody else on Tumblr turned it into porn. The local health records were destroyed in a fire at some point, so we don't actually know how bad the situation was. The areas apparently still pretty contaminated and you can't stay there long, though some people like for radiation tourism will visit. It sounds like a bad fucking idea to me. The incident has been referred to in Russian media as the Ivan of Skaya Hiroshima. Next slide.

Then in 1978, Kraton, it's an N, I think. Yeah, 1978 Kraton three sources very about why this was that off. Some say that it was to get at some diamonds, which sounds like Minecraft in A. But another said that it was like a seismic sounding test, which is how I spent my Friday night. Um. It's something about measuring the crust

and mantle the earth with like the shock waves. Basically, what happened was they set it off in the wrong place. Like, see, it really wanted to like, fuck the earth. Thus the color super deep borehole. Yes. The color super deep, Lucy. They set it off in the wrong place.

Show me the bar mark. No. They put a little welded cover over the Colour Super Deep Ball hole, which I think is very considerate of them, because it's very sweet. Yeah, very, very good. If you go there, it's literally it's in a ruined building because Russia, but you can just go right up to nobody gives a fuck.

And I think if they didn't have the thing down, I would just be concerned, because I know my own luck, and I would, like, buy like I know my own luck and I would like by happenstance drop my keys. I'm not getting those back. I'm not going to fall in but you know, I'm going to drop my phone. I think my phone might get wedged but the keys, you know, I can hear them jangling and then I can't hear it anymore.

They're in the fucking, they're in the earth now. Ah, it's like shit. The devil himself now has the keys to my eyes. Oh, God. I got to call a locksmith. Oh, the funniest thing you could do with the captures, super deep borehole is something that I shouldn't actually say out loud. But you can fuck the borehole, yeah.

Yeah, I was going to say drill a hole in it, install a fleshlight and then, I don't know, yeah, then Satan is like getting the center of the head. Oh man, possibly my boss are going to listen to this. Hi guys. Sorry, you're whatever. If they made it two hours in, I don't think they're going to be too scandalized by by the prospect of, you know, sort of a, a come rain landing on site. I mean, we've already had a state of Nintendo fetish points. So yeah, and I beg you to go back to it. No, no, no, no longer asking. Really?

Some places say it spends this time hanging out under the bull hole, like directly. Yeah, just waiting for someone to fall down. Like he just needs a pal. Like he's tired of torturing people. He just wants to buddy. Yeah, because hell is at the center of the earth, which means the bull hole goes there. Hmm. Yeah, there's no way not to be under the hole.

That's true. That's science. It depends on the like diameter of hell. Oh, is it, is it Ross? Yes. OK. I think what metaphysical had, anyway. Craton III was, like I said, set off in the wrong place.

They generated a highly radioactive cloud, the scatter of which I think you can tell by the picture, and just the kind of raised forest where everything just died. That drifted, it had an impact on the local populace. Radiation-related diseases occurred a much higher rate there than in the general population. The environment has never been successfully rehabilitated. There are still radio-nucleides or radioactive elements. In the river, it was detonated next to. In 2014,

the Eccushian minister of nature protection said the area still needed monitoring. Oh, those... hmm, yeah. For a second, I was sort of confused by the scale and I thought, that's like a clump of muscle something. It's like, no, no, no, that's a forest, but no longer exists. Right. Yep. Yeah. So I don't know if there's any good, like, complete English language resources on Soviet plowshare, but these are the low lights of them. And that is the end of the presentation. And now I can tell you the butt story if you want. Please. Yes, please. Yes, please. OK. This has nothing to do with nuclear explosion. Well, I'm debatable. So I refer to this as the Rivian fart story.

Because OK, I'll say Liam, do you know the Rivian R1T? Yes, of course. OK. So because I have a cool job, I could do drive that on a junket. The problem was, this was like my first assignment when I had been hired full-time, and I had cooked up, before heading off to this event, I had cooked up myself a big batch of chili with beans that I had undercooked, a crap ton of chilies, a lot of garlic,

which I found out only just recently makes me fart really bad. I had been like eating this all week and I had already known that like it was causing me gastrointestinal distress. I'll be one of those people who's like, yeah, but there's leftovers though. Well, I'm one of those people that's like, yeah, but there's left over. Well, I'm one of those people that's like,

what kind of chilies? I think probably Chipotle, Ancho, several, I'm gonna say, because I made it pretty spicy. Okay, that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, no, it was pretty good, especially with some cheddar over it. I ate a lot of it, and that's how I found out that it was giving me murderous gas. I'm talking biohazardous. And very free. Oh, yeah, the kind of parts of change are as a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, I don't like another of my phrases that has entered our sort of shed lexicon beyond the things of that nature is the X that changes you as a person. beyond things of that nature is the X that changes you as a person. Yeah, all kind of dals. The chili that kills you instantly. There's a rich, I don't intertext you. If you don't follow the other podcast, now is the time to get into Kill James Bond and trashy nature because there's a rich sort of connection of all of these things

you can follow them through. The, I had been eating this stuff for like three days by the time I had to ship off to this event, which fortunately I didn't have to fly for and like subject somebody next to me to, you know, earthly parts. And you know, it says Japanese airline omelets, you know, so it could have been worse. How dodge the bullet. Yeah. The night, like we crash at the hotel and that night I get god awful sleep. I'm talking like three hours. So as soon as they have the coffee in the pot in the morning, I'm just swilling the stuff. And then they're like, okay, everybody get ready. We're going off roading for several hours. And, um, first question. And this is if this is too personal, do you tell me to fuck off? You don't smoke, do you? No. Okay, good. Because otherwise, well,

because this is the thing, when I used to both drink coffee and smoke, that was sort of like pulling a pin on a grenade gasping and speaking in the morning. I mean coffee just kind of does that period. That's locking in. I will say there isn't anything that's like a plug-in out. There's a step change when you add a cigarette to that equation though. It's just correct. We were supposed to get bathroom breaks, but the thing is when you're holding in like,

parts of giant magnitude that are like, potentially career ruining, if you let them out around, PR people, you're supposed to have relationship with. Basically like from holding them in, I couldn't get them out during bathroom breaks. And this went on for more than five hours. I have to do a career ruining part. I'm like off-roading too.

Like the roughest possible thing on your stomach. Yeah, the, um, and we were actually like going up above 12,000 feet. So like that only made like like balloon war. Yeah. So you have sort of a sort of a submersible situation. Oh, buddy. Inverted. Inverted. Yeah. I guess as the opposite of submersible. Yeah. So if you're, if your colon was made of carbon fiber, it would have been fine. was admissible, yeah. So if your if your colon was made of carbon fiber, it would have been fine. Who's to say it's not the so I get bad altitude sickness, but I couldn't do anything about it by just chugging water, because you know, it was it was going straight there and would make me possibly shit myself. So I'm like, I'm starting to get physically sick. Somebody like pops a

tire in front of us, so we end up like fuck no delayed for 45 minutes or more. I'm getting to our lunch stop and I like last 15 minutes I like have chills because I'm feeling so bad. is like grab the Latrine Kit, rush off into the forest, get the solid plug in front of it out. I still don't feel better yet, because you know, you gotta build some pressure behind it. I go get some food and I feel the moment has come. So I again walk away from where everybody's having lunch in this nice, idyllic alpine meadow and I make sure to walk out of earshot. And I let rip what was absolutely the greatest part of my entire life.

So, ear minimum. I'm singing off the mountain. I hear you. Yodeling with my asshole. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm point where it's gone on so long, you know, I'm pushing to keep it going. Um, I also just, I don't know what this feeling Dan.

Yeah. I have a huge nerve on that. Well, I funny enough, I did feel much better when it was done until I got back to the camp and there's just like this dude on a laptop sitting on a stump there. And as I approach, he turns to me and goes, that was epic. Later that night, I was talking to somebody else who'd been nowhere near. There were another 50 feet away at least.

And they said they were talking with one of their friends and they heard a sound come out of the woods. And then they kept talking. And then it kept going. And then they long enough that they stopped talking and looked around to identify where it was coming from. It's like, is that a bad one? Is that the Sasquatch?

It was the Asquatch. The Asquatch. Yes, it's a Asquatch. So that means because Riveon's entire PR team was there the entirety of a car company's PR team heard me let out the greatest fart ever and they still talk to me so That's not career ending for that's a career making for because like they're gonna remember your name. They still email me and address me by my first name. I don't know if that's a good thing. There's a brotherhood there. So this has been safety turd.

That's incredible. We do have a safety third. I don't know how everyone's feeling right now. I'm perfectly content to do a safety third Liam. What are you feeling? Yeah, I think I think I got I did a short one. I'll be up at 545 tomorrow. Yeah, okay. Well, I will hit the drop then. Okay, there's another picture here. I don't know what this one is for. Shit. Oh, okay. Uh, this is the bottom of the sedan crater. It looks like that was actually to illustrate safety to. That makes sense. Okay. Just like left that behind you. That's like fill it in with a trowel. You know, here's the rectum and, uh,

dear, Ros Liam and Alice and guest. You did it. You got it right. You're stuck. Fuck. Oh, buddy. This story comes from my time in academia. That special place where depressed 26 year olds are put in charge of dangerous and expensive equipment. I worked in a chemistry lab doing solid state NMR spectra spectra spectroscopy spectra. Schoenoscopy. Yeah. Yeah. Spectroscopy.

Spectroscopy probably. Yeah. I feel like there's a there's there's there's probably like a shortened way to pronounce looking at stuff. Yeah, well, I was I was looking at stuff, you know, as such we had to high field liquid helium cooled magnets Magnet and question was 14 Tesla as compared to an MRI magnet, which is about three Tesla max. I don't want to bring like he's Yes, well three Tesla max. That'll place I don't want to bring like he's. Yes. Both mag lets for 30 plus years old, poorly maintained. Since there was one guy in North America who could service them. He was an anti-vax Trump voter guy. That's true. Like so many things too.

Yeah, yeah, but I bet he was probably good at the job though. Or maybe he wasn't. He changed their oil. Yeah, exactly. Change in the helium. It consumed about 100 liters of liquid helium a month. It's cool that we're just running through that. We have no way of replacing it. We also use it in balloons. Yes. Because of 1500 dollars a month in liquid helium is a lot of money. And helium is non-renewable. My boss convinced the university to install a helium recovery system. This meant workers would have to install a bunch of piping in our magnet room

to collect the helium boil-off and send it to another room to be collected and condensed back into a liquid. Now my boss was very cognizant of safety around our magnets, but she wasn't super present in the lab. She made sure the contractor in charge of the work know that knew that no magnetic tools could be used in the room at all. We even put up a small permanent magnet on the door so the workers could test their tools before entering. Cool.

I was good of you. Yeah. The work started without a problem. They put up plywood boxes around the magnets to prevent anything that accidentally went flying from hitting the magnet itself. They pre-cut and drilled the plywood and used zip ties to hold the sides together.

The rest of the work went on without a hitch and it was time to take down the boxes. This presented a problem because apparently no one thought about how they were going to cut the zip ties. I mean, this is a real perennial problem with zip ties, isn't it? You know, you can actually sort of go in with your finger and if you're really careful, you can like pry the thing down, you can just undo it. You can use the zip tie again. Yeah. Ah, it's another option. Yeah. You know, I don't know zip ties are just irritating. I think you should use other stuff sometimes. Oh, yeah, yeah.

They hold my race cars radiator in. They're fine. Yeah. Some of you are remembering my own little safety. That is about to say there's there's there is lore here. You are going to have to look up yourself. The workers decided to just use their normal snips because they had nothing else that would work. They got the first box down without an issue and proceeded to start it on the second box without the box to prevent them from getting too close to the magnet. A worker accidentally took a snips into the field with the 14 Tesla magnet and flew out

of his pocket and stuck to the underside of the magnet. Imagine the sound that made also like a gun. A lot of this is like a kung fu movie from Hong Kong in the 70s. Sounds like the fucking Liberty Bell. I bet you like tore a snipper-shaped hole in his pocket, like some foodie just thing. Yeah. Thankfully, no one was between him and the magnet at the time. The workers quickly left, leaving two graduate students

to deal with the now stuck SNPs. Rather than call my boss, they decided to deal with it themselves because they were graduate students to deal with the now stuck SNPs rather than call my boss they decided to deal with it themselves because they were graduate students. Now you can't just pull something stuck the high field magnet off. Best you end up fighting the magnetic field and at worst the disruption of the field quenches the magnet. All the error in the room is displaced by a helium and nitrogen and if you have the quality of F were mentioned anti-vax trump guide affix it. Yeah quenching like helium cooled magnets is so fucking funny because you're like you have just wasted a shitload of a non-renewable resource and also there's going to be no oxygen in the room in a minute.

Yeah, I'm going to start this voice. Yeah, start, I got to start getting these fusion power plants running so we have more helium for balloons, you know. Yeah. Okay. A nation's burgeoning balloon sector demands that. Yeah, exactly. You know, we got to, we got to close the balloon gap with China. Exactly, you know, we got to we got to close the balloon gap with China It'd be fun for an entire power plant of guys just to be inhaling that and getting the silly voice Do the tours with that voice This is what we use to make power

It's called deterium Hey Ross, I see you you have COVID again. No. This is called the Taurus. Yeah. You need to pull whatever is stuck along the arc of the magnetic field, which you're guessing at. Thankfully, the students managed to recover the steps without further incident. None was hurt. The only damage was to one of the shims.

Am I boss read the the contractor the riot act. We had the babysit the workers, the rest of the time they were working, because clearly the contractor had not sufficiently communicated the risk. Unfortunately, I no longer have a picture of the SNP stuck to the magnet, but I have attached a picture of our 21 Tesla magnet, so you can see the scale of these things. Like this is so cool. Yes, we don't know how they work. It's less in here. Yeah, the less in here is to always think about how you're going to take something apart

before you put it together and to not trust contractors with expensive and dangerous scientific equipment. I love the show. Yeah, from my iPhone sent from my iPhone. Yeah. Nice. Yes. Shake hands with danger.

All right, next episode will be about Chernobyl. Does anyone have any commercials before we go? You can read my shit at the drive.com. I have an author page somewhere. You can probably follow me on Instagram at James Goeble if you want. If you mistake, make the mistake of still using Twitter, you can me there at underscore James Gilboy or on blue sky which I might not use that Jimbo 12 fingers. I was born with 12 fingers but everybody thinks I'm joking. I can't eat them. That'll do it. That'll do it. Which?

Both. Okay. Yeah, no, they were just like these little fleshy nubs on just past my pinky. They look like warts now because they were tied off at birth. They shoveled up, they fell off. They were sitting on the kitchen counter, and my parents had no idea what to do with them. They were called upstairs by the sound of me screaming for, uh, I've either shit myself or need milk or something. It came back down, the fingers were missing,

the cat was where they were on the counter. I were learning so much about you. And I will also say as I go to follow you that your twisted bio is literally I was born with 12 fingers but my cast ate two of them. Yes. Yes. I've used that on Tinder unsuccessfully. to have them. Yes. Yes. I've used that on Tinder unsuccessfully. Nobody ever asked about the finger. Should open with the thought story. Instead. Yeah. That's a long story. It's a long story. I don't have the patience for the sassop. That's how she something right

that, you know, exactly. You get to adopt a cat, which could eat more of your fingers. It will when I die, you know. I leave all my digits to fluffy. Yes. All right, I think that was podcast. I have to pee. Yeah, it's so do I.

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