Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 189: 2017 Point Defiance Derailment

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

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He doesn't know how to open Adobe? This is the most shut the fuck up and don't touch nothing podcasts in history, where it's like, anytime anything changes, all of us become, uh, fuck, mentally. Delirious with rage. You know that XKCD about every update breaks somebody's workflow? Yeah. That, that got, we have one hit point workflow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Hold on, and I'm gonna kill you. Oh, I should start the virtual camera two, and we should do a sync point. A sink point? A sink point, a point where you sink. Ask me about the Titanic. One mark. Three, two, one, Mark. Oh, crispy.

Close enough. That was a violent clap. I was fond of that. That was good. Stimulating. All right, we're locked in. The podcast with a one hit point workflow is back. Yes.

The podcast barely cling to life both days. Yeah. We don't worry. This is the thing. We're never gonna stop doing it. We're never gonna stop doing it, but it's a battle. Hi, haters. haters.

All right, yeah, 60 gigabytes. That's fine. I'm gonna, oh, I'm gonna beat you to death at your own shoes. I hope there was nothing incriminating on recent files. I don't know. Something incredible. Why would there be... I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, shut up. Hello. Hi Rod. And hello and welcome too. Well, there's your problem. It's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides. I'm Justin Rosniak. I'm the person who's talking right now.

My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. I am November Kelly. I'm the person who's talking right now. My pronouns are she and her. Yay, Liam. Yeah, Liam. Hi, I'm Liam McAnderson.

My pronouns are he, him. And we have a guest slash employee slash, what are you, Victoria? That's a great question. That was not rhetorical, by the way. I'm a Victoria. My name is Victoria Scott. My pronouns are she and her, and I survived the month of October, so I'm fucking back. Survived the month of October reward.

Yeah, it tried really hard to kill me. Yeah, we'll get you a medal at some kind when we get a chance. Yeah, like a valiant, like a medal of Lenin, like for valiant service in the face of October. an order of Lenin, you just have to come to Scotland to pick it up. Okay, that's fine. We can arrange that. Who would do that? Go to Scotland?

Yeah. In this economy? In this economy? I know exactly what kind of asshole would be. Entirely to purchase Buckfast. I need it. I needed it. I needed it.

With the caffeinated, fortified wine made by monks. The thing is right, that I need caffeinated alphanated alphanated alphanated. caffeinated alcohol because it is my lifeblood, because two favorite things in the world are being stimulated and depressed, baby, and I'm gonna have both at once. God made caffeinated alcohol for the same reason he made trans people so that we could share in the joy of creation. That's right, baby. Here's the thing, I couldn't find Buckfast in Scotland. I had to go with respected railway

engineer Gareth Dennis to buy it in York. And father. Where did you find it in York? That must have been like a little bit of an odyssey. It was, there was a bar, but it had a beer store underneath. Bizarre. Everything was crooked. The bathroom was the smallest room I've been in in my life.

It was pretty good. I like that. I'm so glad you enjoyed my stupid, stupid country. It was a nice time. I liked it more than other parts of the trip, to be honest. So what you see on the screen in front of you is a pretty beat-up M-track, whatever the new Siemens diesel locomotives are called. It looks like the kind of the charger.

Like the Dodge, they sell to the Marines. It looks like the train equivalent of Darth Vader with the helmet off. But it's bad. Yeah, it's not very good. You might as well have just spray painted that's bad. The T right here is shorthand for that's bad, folks. Yeah, the WTOIP inspectors arrive at the site of this train and like spray paint a W and a YP on the side of this instead of an A.

I listen. It's better than the fan fix. It's not supposed to look like this. Today we're going to talk about the 26th 2017, Port Defiance, M-Track Cascades, derailment. You can tell that this is the Pacific Northwest because someone has clipped a leash to the front of this train of the carabina. Oh, lesbians.

Yeah, there's already like vegetation growing on it, because there's so much rain, you know? Yeah. I think we have, not friends, but friends of friends who were on this train when it derailed. I hope they're excited for us to like make light of their tragedy. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You survived a train crash, not many people can say that. Yeah.

So, but before we talk about that, we have to do the goddamn news. Fuck you. So, I mean, a lot of things have happened in the past whenever the last time we released an episode. We had the longest government shutdown in history. Yeah, do you think it's a coincidence that the federal government shuts down and the podcast doesn't come out for a while? Oh. Oh.

Hey, this shit we can't talk about on air, part 455. Yeah. It's fine. Listen, the good thing is we established what they call in the business a legend by also not releasing a bunch of times when the federal government was funded. Oh, we're the most inconsistent podcast in the world. It comes out when it comes out. It says so on our website.

So, shut up. Yeah, it makes me, it makes me want to kind of ritually disembowl myself for, because of the dishonor. People love A-Lab series. I can only hope to become that inconsistent. It's aspirational. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So we had the longest government shutdown in history and like 10 Democrats or whatever,

including our own, Senator John Fetterman, yeah. Oh my God. Boo! Decided. Nah, we should, we should just, we should just, you know, capitulate for no fucking reason. And, uh, re-open everything. Yeah, he, I mean, Fetteman had like another stroke, maybe, or like a fall in a heart attack or some, some kind of like unhealthy shit, but it didn't turn him woke.

That happened after he voted though. Ah, I think. I didn't turn him woke. God's just consistently trying to strike him down, but he can't break through it. Certainly not me. Like, Pennsylvanian Satan being like, we've created a smite-proof oath. You thought it was gonna be me, didn't you motherfuckers? You might be smite-proof, but we don't know.

A mortal till proven otherwise. Yeah. So this was an extremely, you know, frustrating thing for it to end in this way, because, you know, you do this very long government shutdown. And the government shuts down, obviously, for those of you who have been living under a rock, you know, which seems like an ideal place to live, to be honest, you know, unless it's the federal government's rock. Oh, yeah, that's true. Then they kick you. You're the federal government's like ornamental hermit, you know. Yeah, I work in the folly at Maralago. Yeah,

exactly. You know, a lot of non-essential government employees just don't get paid until the government reopens um you know that the the trump of the issues trying to not pay a lot of these people too which is vile yeah um you know i this is this is like a whole like crisis that was sort of you know around like okay um we have to fund the government somehow um and you know the democrats of course wanted to continue such things as affordable health care act uh subsidies right um so that people's insurance doesn't, you know, double next year. And the, you know, Republicans did not want to do that because they, I don't know, want to kill everyone.

Yeah, they're fuck asses, dude. And you know what they say, in a standoff like that, you can always rely on the famously iron spine of the Democratic Party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then take those motherfuckers out back and f*** them.

Kneel them over, ditch, f*** them, f*** them if you gotta. Shoot and fucking them, 10 minutes and 30 seconds in to reiterate. Yeah, I don't know what to say about this, other than, you know. I already said it, man. With the ultimate capitulation here, it's like, why did we do any of that? What was that for? That is exactly right. It was to disrespect a bunch of troops, which is the most noble reason for doing anything.

Including air traffic controllers who were a type of troop. Yeah, and being like, hey, fuck ass, and then you slap me in the back of the head so that glasses fly off and they can't see the planes, and you go, we're not paying you for three months. Yeah. Well, and the Dems were winning this too. Like it was, they were, they, polling showed that, you know, even for like the wonk-minded out there that the Democrats were perceived as not the problem and the Republicans were actually

getting, you know, kind of shellacked for this. So it made perfect sense to immediately be like, no. Oh, actually, it's our fault. We're just... We're so... And then... And then, of course, the second after they did capitulate, Donald Trump came on stage with a big briefcase, which, like, snapped open to reveal a bunch of documents incriminating

him as a paedophile. So, yeah. Tactical Masterstroke, once again, from Senator Chuck Schumer. I did like the article. I just got a phone call today from Blue Cross, Blue Shield, saying that my premiums were going up. next year. So, thank God for that. Yeah, I, uh, I, I am trying to have a family and I have to do some stuff around that. And if you, if you try to prohibit me from having a family, I'm going to take a battle axe, Senator Schumer and Senator Fetterman, and I'm going to come to your offices with my

battle axe and I'm going to have 12 minutes, 25 seconds, that. You hit Fetterman with the blunt end over and over again. each time. You die! Oh, die! No, no, no, no. He comes back with a different ideology each time. I'm just spin in the wheel.

Gonzalo thought for a minute, that. No, no way, fuck, go back. I hit him one time, and I think he called me a cracker. I would pay good money to see Black Israelite liberation John Fetterman. Yes. Yes, so would I. Well, I mean, to be fair, if anyone made that guy, it is. the evil scientist Yakub, right?

Like, no question. No, he, uh, yeah, he, uh, doubtless, yeah. He gets enough lumps on his head that he looks like the evil scientist, you know. I do like the idea of just spitting the wheel of ideologists, whoever this dirtbag fucking believes. Dirtbag used not affectionately, by the way. George's Fetterman. George's Fetterman.

Everyone works, but the vacant lot. Yeah, so Chuck Schumer knows that Americans love their health insurance companies, and they want to spend more time on the phone with them. And so courteously, he, you know, decided to really enable that, you know? Yeah, I mean, you know, a few people have tried to, you know, say, well, Schumer didn't do this. And it's like, okay, maybe he didn't, but he did lose control of the party. It's kind of like, well, what exactly are you doing here? point right exactly what exactly what it would you say it is you do yeah that from what it seems like even the house is mad at him yeah like it's it like everybody like even the democratic

establishment is pissed at him it's it's kind of insane to see like unanimously every single person is absolutely fucking furious resign fuck face yeah it might might be time to uh hang up the hat quit while you're ahead uh retires to spend more time with your imaginary family yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Hanging with the bailies. For those who don't know, Chuck Schumer does frequently consult with imaginary friends or what policies he should vote for. Yeah, he's like a secular Mormon in that way, you know? Yeah, that's true.

He has like a kind of prophet seer and revelator role. Well, at least if you're Mormon, other people believe in your imaginary friends, too. And God, the Mormons haven't figured out, the Mormons haven't figured out because God can change his mind. Yeah. That's, that, see,

God, God is a consensus builder. And also you get your own planet. When you do that, we got to rate the Mormon as a bonus episode. We got to have Jordan from bringing your money out here or Greg or one of the other ones. I don't know. And, uh,

yeah, it's coming. Just when I get around to it. Shut up. So yeah, we, we did this whole rigamar roll for nothing. God damn.

Nothing. Yep. Amazing. Didn't even last long enough for me to get stuck in Europe, which would have been funny at least. Could have been an expat. No. Instead,

we sort of forced the air traffic control people back to work and you know, Ronald Reagan's criminal legacy continues. Yes. In other news. All right, we got to talk about the Hess truck this year. Oh, it looks like

shit, dude. It's not a truck. It's not a truck. That's a, what is that? NASCAR? I, maybe. I do like... The Hess truck this year. It's back and it's worse than ever. It's two stock cars. Right?

It's two stock cars, a big one, and a small one. Now notably, two cars do not add up to one truck. Don't talk to me or my son ever again. The big stock car, you can open up the hood of the big stock car and put the small stock car inside the big stock car. Russian stock cars. Yeah, and some Mitreyska stock car. Regular cars is gonna have a field day with this.

This is my big car. This is my little car. in my little car. This is a, this is a fucked up thing to do in the cars universe. This is like some Ed Gein shit to them. Yeah, well, we never really established how the new cars are made. I guess this is, you know. They're made by fucking Ross.

Carvor. What do we got? We got, I think, 67 lights, five roaring. That's covered up by the Chiron. The small car fits inside the big car. There's a pullback motor, you know. I mean, I like the pullback motor, I guess, but. Yeah.

But it's like, yeah, it's 50 fucking dollars, pound sand. Yeah. Jesus. The economy is fucked. This is downstream of tariffs to me. This is not a good Hess truck, because number one, it's not a truck, right? No. The children crave, like, large industrial or commercial vehicle, you know?

Yeah, exactly. It's got to be in a truck body, you know? This is some real, like, light truck exception, shit. Maybe if the big one was like one of those, like, the NASCAR truck series, you know, You know, trucks. Oh, I love that. Do you think Hasman series? Yeah.

Slav trucks. They look nasty. About like the Parry DACA, like truck rally. They must. Someone in that office must know about that, you know? Yeah. The Hess truck is a DAF turbo twin and it like goes you instantly. Oh, go please.

Yeah. That's an episode I want to do at some point in the future. Absolutely. No, this thing sucks. You have to teach you. Your kids about the Dakar Rally. Talk to your kids about the Parry Dakar Rally. Talk to your kids about the Dakar Rally.

Here's how one man created a truck so powerful, it kills you instantly. I just, if you're not familiar, you should look up, like just Google images, just look up some of these trucks because they look like a big, bouncy, excitable dog that's really happy to be doing what it's doing and what it's doing is driving like 60 miles an hour up a sort of near vertical sand it's great yes yeah or like 150 miles an hour ever like smooth i remember that i wanted to enter the dacar they only let professionals do it and i was real mad and then joey yelled at me oh she was like why did you think you would be allowed to do the dacar i was like i don't know it just seems like fun rosa having a sort of amateur bracket where you just use whatever car like

you know, whatever... Let us do it! What are you here? 100% fatality, right? Levin's Dakar is a thing I want. Yeah. I think that there's like a pro-am, you know, you can kind of be like sort of an amateur team to enter the Baja if you want to do that.

All right, we got to step up from sponsoring teams to being teams. This is why you hired me. Yes, that's right. I'm the driver. What's the most kind of... kind of a ridiculously dangerous thing we can sign up for. And there's just like a clause buried in there somewhere from like 1924 that says that like wireless enthusiasts are a lot of the team spot at Le Mans or something.

And we just get to go out there and die. We've earned this. New York to Paris. And do you want the Leslie special or do you want the Hannibal twin eight? I'm always gone for Hannibal Twin 8 on that one, actually. Just we should, there's not enough like silly bullshit in the world, just in general, still less that we're involved in. And any kind of motorsport shenanigans like that, they should read, they should bring

back the meal amelia so that we can, we can enter it. Yeah, but it's not like as, yeah, they don't let you die. What I want is to go, let's meet up and race and die. Oh, shit. That sounds like fun. Well, we're not going to Saudi Arabia, so we can't do it right now. But when it goes back, we'll do the Dakar. I was going to say, I don't think I'm legally allowed to drive in a couple of those countries.

Yeah, that presents kind of an interesting quandary for their legal system, you know. All right, motherfuckers. Transwomen are women, but only in the sense that they're not allowed to drive. Love Saudi Arabia. I see you've observed some of my driving lessons. I, well, I don't know. By that definition, Roz is a trans woman. He can't drive.

I was wondering how long that would take. Oh, we cracked the egg. I wrote. All right. All right. Listen, that was the goddamn news. Oh, it's bad. Salty snail.

We also have to talk about the live shows. Live shows. At the spaghetti warehouse. Come to the spaghetti warehouse. You will be stored in the spaghetti warehouse. You will be accommodated. You will have a good time. But I have to emphasize, we are no longer

longer asking, come to the podcast live show or the podcast live show will come to you. Do you want a bottle of wolf urine for hunting purposes purchased from Amazon.com poured into the air vents of your parked car? No, come to the live show. Yeah. That's my ad read. Yes. Yes.

So, there we go. We are doing a pair of live shows relatively soon. the spaghetti warehouse in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I understand it's now called Union Transfer. There we go. Okay, right, yeah. Dead naming Union Transfer? Well, otherwise, I was there more when it was spaghetti warehouse than it was when...

It's called Zimbabwe now. Implying that Spaghetti Warehouse was more of a Rhodesia situation. Just like, there's nothing justified about the existence of Spaghetti Warehouse. What are the dates? It's like December 15th and 16th. The links will be in the description. Yeah, it's exciting. Sorry, December 14th and 15th.

14th and 15th, okay, yeah. I cannot stress enough, we are not asking. Do not fucking embarrass us. No, do not fucking embarrass us. Yeah, we're there with the Quarators. They are a podcast about asking questions on Quora, the question website. It's a very good podcast. Listen to that podcast. It's a good podcast, but under no circumstances, allow their fans to outnumber our fans.

No, you will be, we'll be doing a wall of death in the parking lot after. But we will also have exclusive merch. You will be asking some Quora questions of your own, such as, why is this happening to me? How could a loving God watch such agony and do nothing? And please have mercy. That last one isn't even a question, but you'll be asking it unless you come to the live shows. Yes. There will be the most requested piece of merch we've ever had available exclusively at the live show. We have made the piece of merch that I have to tell you what it is, because I think Curred Went Rogue on it.

Hang on. Hell yeah. What kind of merch is that? It's in the, it's in the chat of the Zencaster. I guess the fans will have to find out. What have we done? Oh, let's fucking go. Oh, okay.

Yeah. What is it? Don't flash it up, Ross. God damn it. Dude. No. No, they have to actually know you can't like tease it. No, we were supposed to tease it.

They have to actually know what it is. You motherfucker. Yeah. No, what the hell? No, they have to actually know what it is. They can't say, because what if they didn't request that, but they realized, no, I would like some high viz. Yeah.

There's gonna be, well, there's your problem branded high viz. Get, get the high viz, otherwise you are gonna be highly visible to me through a gun sight. Okay, okay. So yeah, unfortunately we will. December 14th, the 15th. November, how do you sell out all your shows? Threats. Violent threat, incredible, violent threats.

Yeah, you can do, yeah, the fans are gonna learn what duty to warn me, it's real fucking quick. Unfortunately, yeah. Unfortunately... Extending Castle Doctrine to someone else's house. I'm just going to repeat this from our previous announcement. November's going to have to appear on the video again, because the O1-1 visa process is very difficult for us to accomplish, because we have no press whatsoever. So if you work for a newspaper or some other journalism.

outlet. Please write some articles about us. There are exceptions. If your name is Olivia Nutsi, maybe. I showed a picture of my butthole elicited a mere nice, which we've all been there. But the other thing, the other thing I want to announce is the toy drive is back. I'm going to, I'm going to parrot what November said and point out that if you do not donate toys, you will be executed. There will be no quarter given to people who do not donate. toys. You will be bent over a shallow ditch, which you have dug with your own two hands. I'm not even giving you a shovel. You will be donating gifts to the children. Wait, so this might be a little excessive, you know? I mean, we can threaten to kill them for not

going to the show. Unlimited genocide on the listener. You're going to like wind up, you know, killing how many subscribers do we got? Not enough. 25,000 on YouTube. Yeah, if we got a hundred and twenty-five thousand subscribers. Come to the live shows and donate twice. There are 650 seats at the live show. 550 times two, 1100. Year, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A bunch of you are going to have to sit in each other's laps or get killed.

It's going to get real sexual out. That is six figures of getting a warehouse. Yeah. All right. All right. Enemies to lovers. Uh, lovers to enemies, uh, exes to lovers. M-Preg tag.

Yeah. All of these things are experiences you will have at, well, that's your problem live show. Yeah, you'll get pregnant. We're gonna shoot a lot of people. Shirley! Shirley! Just do your best to bleep enough of this that it doesn't get, like, you know, fucking adult-only sign-in required.

I think it's good that every single time I'm on an episode, there's a YouTube disclaimer for warnings about self-harm. I think that fits me. This isn't self-harm. No, this is external-harm. Yeah. Others home. All right, all right. We'll figure out the logistics behind this later.

I, you know. Just cut enough to make it visible, and then, you know, fine. We may have to start a gulag anyway. Hmm. So, yeah, come to the show so you don't get sent to the gulog. I'm a limited genocide. Out of self-preservation, if for no other reason, come to the live shows. All right, all right.

Wait a second, wait a second. second. Because of the fucking visa shit and Trump, right, technically, physically, I can't come to the live show. So am I obliged to, once I'm done, wading through the blood of our listeners, like, just put me on the list as well? Like, you're exempt. We'll put you under comp ticket. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't have to go to the shows because I work here, you know? Yeah. Oh, I have a fun story about that. I think I've told this on, on, on the show. on the podcast before, but we were playing the Somerville show and I was standing in the

because Rin and Megan worked merch and so Rin Megan and Jay were standing around working merch not doing their goddamn jobs for which I don't pay them and uh and a woman came out to me and said excuse me uh is this the merch line and I said I just work here and then

she was like oh okay and I'm and so I was just like the merch line's over here and she was like okay thanks and then the show concluded and we were doing signings and she said I've never been more mortified in my entire life. Because she didn't recognize me one third of this podcast, which is fine.

It did not hurt my feelings or make me sad in any way, shape, or form, I promise. But now we've aired your dirty laundry while also announcing our intentions to kill upwards of six figures of people. Yeah, man. That's far from the course on the show. With that being said, that was announcements.

I don't have a, I don't have a sting for that. What do you want me to do? I got like... Announcements. Announce! With Gareth always one to two seconds behind Ros and I. I don't know anything about the Pacific Northwest, so we're handing this off to

Victoria. I don't know anything about the Pacific Northwest. Hands it to trans women. Tip it. It's true. Yeah, we've actually claimed Capitol Hill in Seattle as our own. We have achieved figures of upwards of like 10% of the city. And we also have a woke mayor now.

So that's my news. Oh yeah. We have woke mayor. city council, we have about as woke as a city attorney as you can possibly get, which is to say ex-prosecutor one that doesn't like Trump, so we'll take it. Yeah, so to figure out what happened with the Amtrak Cascades derailment, first we have to ask, what is the city of Tacoma? Seattle's uglier sister.

This train station fucking rules. Yeah, it's still there. They don't have any other things. Perfectly categorized the responses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The big, big, like, Bell, epoch, like, dome here.

Oh, my God. I was going to say this is, you know, I was kind of going to go with the Tacoma sort of Pacific Northwest's Trenton. It makes the world takes. Yes. It was kind of like they had more industrial city. Basically, in 1865, there was a Civil War vet who came out west to try to, you know, make his fortune or whatever. And he paddled around Puget Sound looking for a spot of land that he was going to claim as his. and he put a cabin down in what is modern day Tacoma on the shores of commencement bay

specifically on the least slopes like flattest edge of the bay because he was like northern pacific is building a railroad up here and they're going to need some land and i'm going to make a fortune when they pick this spot um this is 1865 um nobody American than like lived in Tacoma yeah yeah nobody lived in Tacoma except for like native people because like there were you know at this point the territorial capital was Olympia which is I don't know 30 or 40 miles like southwest of Tacoma or they lived in Seattle which is you know 25 or 30 miles north you know on the shores of Elliott Bay and you know Seattle at this point is like up and coming it's kind of like a

logging town they still hadn't figured out how to not dump raw sewage into the the fugit sound and then flood the streets with shit piss every high tide but they were you know getting there oh oh i sense judgment i sense a lot of judgment in that what do you what do you want paris i mean it's like no i mean that's a very piss of shit everyone kind of is paris that's true especially in 1865 yeah one of my favorite things about seattle is it like it used to be like an just an entire uh environmental apocalypse and we managed to clean it up to the point where where sometimes there are whales. So no, I mean, you know,

but it was still kind of like, Seattle was not a city, you know, like SF is way bigger at this point. It's not really like place people. There are a ton of people, but it's definitely bigger than Tacoma. So, you know, for the next decade, this basically goes unchanged.

Tacoma is like a village of like 50 people, 50 settlers, I should say. There's, you know, natives still up here in this era. And then, you know, Seattle's an actual city with like money and industry and jobs. And by the middle of the year, Great Northern had their rail link in Tenino, Washington, which is south of Olympia. And they had until December 19th, 1873, to finish their transcontinental railroad, or they would lose all of the federal land grants that they had been given to build it. They would revert back to the government.

They'd lose, like, they were basically borrowing money off of the value of these grants, so they would be completely and utterly destroyed. I love a whimsical federal government that's, you know, sort of like, around the way. world in 80 days type shit. Yeah, well, I think we've been working on this for a while. And, you know, completion of a Transcendant Railroad is you have to hit saltwater, you know, somewhere. And, you know, the Puget Sound of Saltwater, because it connects to the Pacific Ocean. So they're like, all right, we just have to get here as fast as possible.

Hit saltwater thousands of miles of rail rust instantly. It just travels up. Yeah, capillary effect. It's like when you, you know what I mean. It's like when you pour a bunch of water into a cup, you know, surface touch. No, that's not a capillary effect. Whatever. We'll figure out what the fucking capital area.

I'm not a scientist. I just drive cars. So, you know, Seattle at this point is offering like a bunch of money and, you know, they've got like big, they've got a prime real estate they're going to give to the railroad. And they're like, okay, we got this on lock. And lo and behold, the job car, the man who put his cabin down to Tacoma. Next slide, please. Was correct. This is not job car.

the next guy. One second. They picked, so Northern Pacific is looking around and they're like, okay, we just have to finish this thing as fast as possible. We have like less than six months to complete our transcontinental railroad. And it just so happens that, you know, there's a bunch of prairie land south of Tacoma and they can build it in as fast. Basically, they can lay down rails as fast as humanly possible. Total vindication for one insane kayaker slash homesteader. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Man successfully prospected a railroad terminus. Eight years before it even got there. Like, it was, like, for a guy.

These guys are gonna finish it in the stupidest way possible. Signed my ass off. Yeah, only a stupid guy can predict another stupid guy's actions. Yeah, but it paid off perfectly. So, of course, they start laying rails ahead. towards Tacoma. This is July. By September of 1873, Jay Cookin Company, which was the first wire service bank in America, was collapsing. It was Northern Pacific's primary lender and, like, the source of all of their gold to pay the workers to build the railroad. The banks are out of money.

Stop. Well, this is before, you know, you had like a centralized currency. So you needed like actual gold to back up the bank notes and so on and so forth. The bank's bank is out of gold. Stop. Yeah. Well, and it's interesting because this is like the beginning of, you know, sort of like an early understanding of what monetary policy would become because part of the reason, you know, part of the reason they went, they collapsed is because they were just over leveraged to shit building this incredible money sink of the railroad because, you know, Northern

Pacific was kind of operating off of the, yes, if we lay more rails. will just make more money, sort of operating strategy. Oh, my God. They were open AI for railroads. Oh, my God. At the very least, they got land grants. Like, the land grants made a lot of sense. Well, they did.

But also at the same time, like most of this land was totally worthless, you know, in like a monetary sense, unless the railroad actually ran through and went places, which if your railroad is, like, disjoint and incomplete, it's not doing, which is kind of, you know, a lot of the West Coast operations in 1873. So they had a lot of land. There was barely demand for one Transcontinental Railroad at this point, let alone the three that were being built. Yeah.

So, you know, one half is that the railroad itself is kind of a bad idea. The second was because, you know, there had been so much mining out west that there was actually a glut of silver on the market. And it was pushing, like it was creating massive inflation. And so what ended up happening was,

you know you had you had inflation at home what companies would do is they would basically ship off a bunch of silver immediately overseas uh where there wasn't the same inflationary uh pressure to to hire you know usually like chinese workers to come over and then work on the railroads basically taking advantage of like early like um uh you know currency exchange rates um and so basically it meant that there was the you know there was not much cash and also like inflation had driven the value of what there was lower. And, you know, you get a bank run and all of a sudden, you know, basically you start with a bank panic and the American economy gets wiped out.

So this is September when this begins. And by November, you know, the workers had not had now not been paid for three months. And they were hearing that they weren't going to get paid again. And so they struck in late November of 1873. They are like, I couldn't find an exact source for how far they were, but I'm, I think it was within like 10 miles of salt water. And, you know, they have like, 10, 10 feet away from this guy's log cabin. He's just like tearing his hair out. And all the guys who talk about going back to the gold standard, this is the economy they want to go back to.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, like, this, it's, it was, it's wild because so much of this is just like, it does kind of feel like the U.S. sort of. operated off of like an an prim philosophy for like the first couple hundred years it was going. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, yeah, if somebody's on land you want, you can just kill them. And then also like you can build a railroad fast enough, you win. But also like, yeah, from like, I don't know, from the end of the Civil War to the 30s.

Yeah, we just have a horrible depression every 10 years. Yeah, panic of 1871, a lot of that. I wrote my undergrad thesis on that. Yeah, 71, 93. There was one in the 1880s, too. Just have a panic. We used to have panics. We don't have that anymore.

We have recession. Yeah, I was going to say we had the Great Recession like 15 years ago, man. Yeah, but that wasn't a panic. You're right. I was pretty anxious. We barely have like incidents anymore as well. Yeah. No, we don't have to go back to having panics.

Excuse me. We need have sound monetary policy. guy, but only for monetary panics. Yeah. Wanting to go back to the gold standard, but just because you think it's good to get a little adrenaline going because of the panics, keep the capital limber. I want to see some guys jump off of the stock exchange building. No, sound monetary policy.

Let's go. So this is General John Sprague. He was a Union Civil War vet, who was quite accomplished. He joined it in, like, Sherman's March to the Sea. And he was... He looks like the kind of guy who would do that. That is not a mustache that hides a secret smile. It's a mustache that hides a second, angry a mustache.

Jamie Heineman-type facial hair. Jesus, I just realized I plagiarized that joke from a cracked.com article. I am going... I will add myself to the list of people who will be killed from not attending the life. live show maybe. Yeah. Well, that's right. He is he is a walrus. We are looking at a walrus. Yeah. Angry looking man. Yeah. So how do you want, how do you want your your lithograph taken? Furious. Yeah. But yeah, so he's he's super intended to the northern Pacific and overseeing building this section of the rail. Um, and, uh, you know, of course the local cops are like, let's start a war.

Let's kill all of the strikers. Let's murder literally everybody here. Yeah, and then they found out about the strike, which, you know, sort of redoubled their conviction to do that. And, you know, the, like, they literally, the cop literally rolled up to the strikers when, you know, they had barricaded themselves in and it was like, began reading the riot act and was like literally ready to go to war. And this guy was like, oh, that's not. You know, he was probably a bad idea. He was, you know, I think it was a, it's hard to like, a scribe sort of reasoning to him, you know, centuries later. but you know part of it is kind of like these are all civil war vets um you know some people you know may evoke memories of we serve with part of it is also like wow these guys are probably insane

we haven't paid them for three months um they're definitely you know they they have the sympathies of literally everybody around us we're going to get absolutely fucking wiped out um so he negotiated a settlement where you know he and a bunch of the other execs started withdrawing money from their personal bank accounts um and working with like literally every shop and saloon in the area to like give them you know basically script that they could spend there because he was like look we

we have got to finish this railroad by any means possible because you know if we don't finish it in the next three weeks we lose all of the land and this was all for not and you know we're all basically bankrupt forever and for reference here the land grants for these trans

transcontinental railroads they were generally like okay you have every other square mile in a checkerboard pattern for like some number of miles away from the actual railroad light right of way yeah for the uh for the northern pacific i mean in the mountains that was not so valuable except for timber but if you're going from like um oh god where did the northern pacific start i mean it started from chicago to some extent but you know you're they have roots they had roots up north too i think and like the dakotas in montana and stuff oh yeah i mean they they went through the southern part of Montana.

That's still perfectly like viable, like agricultural land. Like this, this big, big, big bucks they were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and actually, it's fun. If you look at a, if you look at like a BLM survey map today, you can actually still kind of see the checkerboard pattern in a lot of places. Because you'll see where the government owns lands and sort of like, you know,

that checkerboard around railroad tracks and stuff. And then a lot of it's been transferred away from the railroads. But like you can actually see the original. like grant patterns overlaid over top of like, you know, Nevada where the Union Pacific line cuts through, which I think is- Oh, yeah. And also like a logging in the Pacific Northwest follows that same pattern. Yeah. Which is pretty crazy to look at. We striate the terrain, you know. Yeah. Sorry. Next slide, please. Yeah, I quit smoking this week, so I'm like extra funny. Oh, yeah. Good job. Thanks. I picked it back up for, for month of hell. And that was.

I was like, all right, month of hell's over, time to stop poisoning myself. Anyway, this is an artist's rendition of what Tacoma looked like in, I believe, like, the mid-1880s. You can tell it was there's not a lot there. That's Mount Rainier. It looks like Japan. I was gonna say, I was about to say, that looks like Fuji to me, yeah. Yeah. Some lovely tall ships in the foreground.

Rainier and Mount Fuji are part of the same, you know, chain of volcanoes. People didn't know this, but actually, Seattle and Tacoma were part of a closed country system until the railroad arrived and forced them to be open. This is the anime version of the Appalachians. Yeah, we're trying to reclose it so all the racists and transphobes on the other side of the cascade stop coming over to beat up people. We're working on that. You gotta force them into, like, based on my study of history, you gotta force them to interact

with your specific named ports, and then that way you have a kind of designated chud zone, and you can acquire a kind of chud knowledge. You have to use the Dutch as a go-between? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the Dutch would be the chuds in this. Ah, those motherfuckers. I guess so, yeah.

All right, here's the thing about the Dutch, right? Yeah, get it. From going to Amsterdam once. Please. All right. Here's the thing. I was so excited to go ride a bicycle in Amsterdam, and the infrastructure is great. Everything's fantastic.

Then you get the fucking bicycle. The bicycles suck shit. Holy fuck. They all have coaster brakes. I was like, I was like, I got on the bicycle, and I was like, something's off here. I can't stop. Oh, shit, there's no brakes. Fuck.

Just put your legs down. I'm sure a Dutch person will say, extremely securely. Yes, that did happen. What do you mean by, I'm sorry, I'm stupid, what are coaster brakes on a bicycle? Coaster, coaster, so you know how you were a kid and you pedal backwards to stop the bike? Oh my god, they have that for adults? Yeah.

That's weird. That's like the main- I'm supposed to revere these fucking people that can't even build a bicycle personally. If you build enough of the infrastructure around it, nobody will question why the actual bike is back. I understand why they need such great bicycle infrastructure because the bicycle themselves sucks so bad. Anyway, this is going to be a whole, this is a whole other subject. I shouldn't bring this up, but I was like, I need to bring that episode on the bicycles he

wrote it in. Yeah, no, no, I, no, we're going to have to, we're going to have to do a new, a new episode. Bicycles suck shit in the Netherlands, you know, and I don't know, we'll get, we'll get not just bikes back on and berate them the whole time, but, you know, this is a different situation. Yeah, we've got to talk about trans today. I would be remiss during this conversation to not mention my favorite thing that makes fun of the Dutch that my wife introduced me to, which is the Stephen Sondheim musical

Pacific overtures, which has an entire song about how goofy the Dutch are. It's an all-time moment in making fun of Europeans. Anyway, so December 16th, 1873, with three days before they lose all of their federal land grants, the Northern Pacific hits saltwater on the shore of commencement bay into coma. It's like Indiana Jones reaching in under the thing to grab the hat, except it's like a railway engineer's hat. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Some high viz from network rail. Sprague drove the final stake, or spike rather, into the rails, and, you know, they've got their rail link. Now, of course, this was about the most rushed rip trade. line that had ever been constructed because you know not only they have no time but then they got delayed by striking and you know Tacoma has nothing in it really um they've started clear

cutting everything to make you know timber for trestles or whatever but they basically they're importing a lot of stuff they're importing a lot of labor so it was they basically were like yeah that looks possible let's go for it um and you know this showed because like as they were pushed you know bring supply trains up they were they laid down a train because the grade was just like laid so poorly um it was just this is the final essay at 1158 p.m. the night before the due date of railroad lines. Oh yeah. Really really funny to derail a train on the way into the place selects it to be the flattest place where it would be hardest to derail a train. Yeah well it wasn't the thing is about the Pacific Northwest is that like flat here is a very relative term. Um you know

Seattle is like insanely hilly and like our flat streets are I think you know for a lot of like if you're used to the Dakotas in Montana you come out here like oh holy shit everything is sideways what's happening um but uh yeah but anyway I found like newspaper reports from the era where they had to like dig the cook out of the roof of the mess car and you know because they just overturned the train trying to you know race this thing to the finish um so next slide please Yeah, this was also relatively common for like transcontinental railroads in general just because you were, you were racing for the, you know, for the land grants. You would, you know, a lot of these railroads were built with the idea that, okay, we build the railroad and then once we're finished, then we build the good railroad. Yeah, we'll fix it in post, but for railroad construction.

Having Devin go back and like straighten your ties. Yeah. So, you know, this dotted line here from Tenino to Tacoma is this line that was built. It was the initial construction of the of the transcontinental link. In 1891, the Tacoma, Olympia, and Greys Harbor Railroad added the leftward bend from Lakeview to Lacey. Lakeview is now currently like Southern Tacoma. So that in 1891 completes the rail line that we now know more or less as the point defiance bypass. So it's just sitting there and it's going to wait about 120 years for us to get to the rest of the episode.

It's sitting there and then we can sort of see the whole timeline of it leading inexorably to, well, there's your problem. Yes. Yes. So the thing about this route is, you know, it's 2.2% grade for like 12 miles, and this is kind of a pain for trains of the era to traverse, because it's steep and consistently steep. So they start looking into alternative routes, and they end up building, the Northern Pacific builds a waterfront line that goes around the edge of the Puget Sound through point defiance to Tacoma, and that one's much flatter. and they end up cutting two rail tunnels through it and so by the 40s most passenger traffic was using the long flat line

that went around the Puget Sound itself and traffic on this original sort of as they call it the prairie line diminished as Northern Pacific stopped shipping as many freight trains out after Burlington Northern, you know, was created in 1970 from Great Northern and Northern Pacific merging they widened the clearances on the point defiance line to allow oversized Boeing freight trains

to get through it. And so by 73, this original line, you know, a hundred years after it was laid down, was basically no longer used. It just kind of sat here. There was a couple of locals on it, but there was not like any through traffic. So yeah, if you want to go to the next slide, please. Oh, yeah. This is, this is the Boeing oversized freight. This is my, this is actually my staff photo. I would like credit for this one. Absolutely sick. Yeah. You can tell that it was taken by you because it's a good photo.

Thank you. Yeah. That's at the rail yard here, one of the rail yards here in Seattle. They actually just run these sometimes. You can catch them and it's wild. It's just an entire 737 fuselage. Yeah. For those who are on audio here, what you see is an entire 737 fuselage that came up in Kansas,

which is on a railroad, two railroad flat cars. flat cars. They just run these trains fairly frequently up to Wren, I think. Yep. Yeah, there's like a horrible siding. It's like 5% grade. They got to haul all these things up. Good thing. It's a pretty light cargo because it's an airplane. Doing a kind of ground based 9-11. I was waiting. A second flat car has hit the Boeing fuselage. I was waiting for the sounder, which is the sound transit name for a regional rail, which I'm sure. Yeah.

You don't know. You can't call it that. I know. They did. They did. The font they used for it is also terrible, so it's just, I'm not a big fan. But in any case, I was waiting on the platform and one of a... Oh, that fucking thing.

Oh, fuck. That took me. Then I remember what a... Wow, shit. God damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. known as one of the one of the many people's hard limits for those who have thought about it. In any case, I was standing in the King Street station and an entire BNSF train just made up of like 15 fuselages came through and I have never foamed so hard in my life. I was like fumbling for my phone like visibly like tears running down my face. It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen in my life. I think the engineer was like, is she okay? Like they've got to be used to like seeing like abnormally tall overly excited women next to the tracks in Seattle of all places but I feel like I really kind of elevated it that day it's it is

really cool it combines train and plane which I you know both good anyway that's all I got about that we can go to the next slide so I'm hold on I'm gonna I'm gonna take over here for a second but please please I do want to do one thing which is check on the chili I'll be right back listen that kind of sort of helicopter parenting is very important, you know. What if I got a beer? That's allowed? I'm experiencing some agonies.

I'm sorry. I'm gonna grab a beer though, I'll go right back. No, it's okay. My agonies are quite funny in this case. So, in a sort of like, desperate attempt to maintain general hygiene while being sick, like really sick, I've been washing my hands a lot. Right. means I have, like, badly dried out and cracked all of the skin on the back of my hands.

Oh, no. And I went looking... I was like... I was sort of... I was like in sort of moderate agony looking for some, like, hand cream for this. And what I alighted on was some cocoa butter. And while I'm sure it is moisturizing the absolute fuck out of this skin, that shit hurts. It...

That burns. Um, so I, I don't know, um, I, I, I will see whether or not this is, uh, the good kind of burning or the bad kind of burning, um, but, uh, just, just another day and, and sort of like, Dipshipville, you know? Hi, it's Justin, uh, so this is a commercial for the podcast that you're already listening to. Uh, people are annoyed by these, so let me get to the point. we have this thing called Patreon, right?

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Do it if you want. Or don't. It's your decision and we respect that. Back to the show. Wait for Liam to come back. God damn it. Temperature was too low on the chili.

But I've now rectified that. I was too conservative. This is, I will have to be punished for my reactionary tendencies. Chili, a dish that rewards audacity in a chef, I believe. Yes. Well, no, I use audition because I'm bourgeois. That already got you, huh? Yeah, it took me a second, so by the time it, you know, it's kind of like chilly, like the joke steeped for a little bit and then it really hit me.

And I'm back. All right, excellent. We're going to do a second sync point. So I'm going to say one, two, three, Matthew. In order to keep these separate, we're going to use a different book of the Bible each time. Right. Or excuse me, three, two, one, Matthew. So three, two, one, Matthew.

Really good visual of you, almost clapping, but in the title. He's fine. All right. This better. this better not happen three more times because I only got Luke and John left. After that, you're into the like Dutero canonical stuff.

Yeah, Apocrypha. The first letter to the Philadelphians or something. You guys got to stop being so fucking weird. Okay, so, you know, this sort of thing that eventually becomes to be known as the Cascades service, you know, between, like,

Seattle and Tacoma and Portland and Vancouver and Eugene, and I don't know what else is up there, Yakima or some bullshit, right? This sort of by the late 60s is like a daily train between Seattle and Portland and a few horrible long-distance trains. you have the Pacific International you have some kind of train that goes down the Oregon short line to Salt Lake City the Oregon shoreline sort of followed the Oregon

trail where you may have shot several animals in the elementary school yeah yeah yeah cocked the wagons and float so on and so forth you know so only like the international and the train called the Mount Rainier

served local markets. The Mount Rainier went from Seattle to Portland and Portland to Seattle one time a day. The international went from Seattle, Vancouver, and Vancouver to Seattle once a day, right? There was the coast starlight that went from Seattle to San Diego. That's not for local markets. And you had, what was the other one? The pioneer was the one that went to Salt Lake City. So this was not great for local service, which was a market that seemed to generally work because Seattle and Portland are not too far away from each other. They're both pretty walkable, even back in the 70s when Amtrak was created. So it made a lot of sense to say, well, gee, maybe we should improve this service. but it took several decades before Amtrak really seriously started considering

maybe we should put a few more trains on this court. I really love the mess of cars and this, what appears to be like an in-era slide too. Yes, this is early Mount Rainier train. This is shortly after Amtrak took over. You got Northern Pacific cars. You've got Burlington Northern cars. You've got some stainless steel ones.

You got sort of they put together whatever the hell works. The train of many colors, yes. Yes. But, you know, it took a few decades again before Amtrak really responded. And, you know, they picked an interesting sort of train. And in order to talk about that, we have to go back in time a little bit and talk about Talgo. Oh, my God. What the fuck is the haunted clown train.

Oh, that's all. I look the clown catcher, the cow catcher. It looks like it wants to eat my skin. I want to wear you like a suit. Currently changing my vocabulary with that. This is the Talgo one. This is where it all began. Don't tell me there's more of them.

So in the late 1930s, Alejandro Govg someone else do this. Going to Ocea. Goig. That. And Jose Lewis.

Louis Oriel. Like the baseball team, yeah. Yeah, sure, whatever. They're two Spaniards. They have a vision. Yeah, they'd call it. Their vision is, what if we put a kind of Thomas the Tank Engine character in the Hannibal Lexa mask? What if we made a really fucked up looking train with the weird suspension?

I mean, I guess it would be bad. Don't do that. Oh, no. That's the problem. It was good. So the idea here is very simple. It was very new for Spain at the time, right? Train, it's all made of aluminum.

None of that's steel. It's all aluminum. It's lighter and the cars are smaller, right? So it can use fewer wheels. The center of gravity is really low, so it's harder to tip over, and it tends to can't less in curves, right? It doesn't, like, swing out as much.

That means you can go faster. How does this work? clown bug. Yeah, it's a weird little horrible train. Now, to explain this, we have to look at a normal train. There is a big Pennsylvania Railroad P-70 coach, which is actually here. It's Pennsylvania Redding Seashore Seashore Alliance. Your normal coach, you got eight wheels on two trucks, right? You got a fairly high center of gravity up here. If it's on a curve, right, here's the car. Here's the car, it's a box here. Well, actually, no, hold on.

Let me, and we got the clear story. And yeah, okay. So here's the car, and it's, here's the wheels, right? Right, right. And then there's an axle, and then there's, you know, so and so forth. So it's, and then there's the rails here, right? Okay, so when this goes around a curve that's going this way, right? It has a tendency to lean over to the outside rail.

Right? And this sort of tends to have the perception of increasing the G-forces inside the car on the passengers, right, who are also forced out that way. Yeah, exactly. So you can't go that fast, right? Getting a real East Coast mainline experience. Exactly. So, you know, this is because, again, the center of gravity is relatively high, even though this is an old fashion heavyweight car where, you know, the, the floor is actually like six inches of concrete, but, you know, that's just how heavy everything was at the time, right? The Talgo cars, and they evolved pretty quickly from the horrible clown train in the first slide, Talgo cars are much more low slung, right? You can see here, they're, they're very short. And so they have a lower center of gravity, right, for each car. What this means is you can go a lot faster around curves without

the cars sort of leaning outwards, right? So this increases passenger comfort because ultimately the thing that limits train speed is not, you know, derailing on the curve. It's, you know, spilling drinks in the cafe car, right? Yeah, the weakest, the weakest link in that chain is the passenger wanting to arrive comfortable, you know? Exactly. You could achieve greatness if you just sacrificed your need to not spill your drink over yourself. I'm not going to lie, having ridden cross-country Amtrak recently, I feel like passenger discomfort is not the limiting factor.

So this example, this is a Talgo train, this is the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad's John Quincy Adams. They were an early adopter. I was desperate to figure out how the hell this thing made it into either Penn Station or Grand Central. Because as far as I know, they can only boarded low platforms. I have no idea. So step onto the roof and climb in through the- Yeah, like a NASCAR.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I believe the New York Central or the Boston and Albany or someone else had a similar train called the explorer, right? The early Talgos, they were moderately successful in the United States. You know, there were some precedent there. They were much more successful in, you know, Spain, where they were from, right? You know, the other thing about the Talgos is, of course, you have a much shorter passenger car, right? And rather than having four or two sets of four-wheel trucks, each car has two wheels in total. And they're shared. between two cars each.

Legally a motorbike. Yes. So Talgo is actually an incredible success in Europe, less so in the United States in the early years. That's because we have taste and don't want to get the haunted clown train. Well, that's also because we decided passenger trains weren't real around the time that it made sense

to buy Talgos, right? I'd start to decide that around the time of that if I'd seen Talgo 1. So, yeah, I... It's like haunts my fucking nightmares now. So the early Talgos, they're very successful at providing a lot more passenger comfort using, you know, these weird, you know, these very weird train cars. I mean, they work great.

They're very good. I'm not the guy here to denigrate Talgo technology. You should be. If you use it properly, it works really good. but then it got better, right? So we have to understand how these cars work. So in order to do this, we had a friend cut one open for us. So a couple of things you can notice here is that you have, so here's the wheels, right?

The wheels are actually not linked by a solid axle. They're two separate units, right, that go through this like aluminum frame here. That means that, you know, among other things, the wheels spin independently. You're never going to get things like flange squeal as a result. You know, again, the center of gravity is very, very low. And you can see here the suspension goes all the way up to the top where the car is actually mounted to the wheels, right? This is very good for going fast.

in the 1970s, the Calgo Corporation realizes, oh, way, we can go further here with the Talgo pendular, right? Sick name already. Yes. So the idea here is we have the suspension system. What if we let the train tilt a bit, right? Because of how the suspension is mounted, you have a very low center of gravity, but you have a very high pivot point, which is actually above the physical limits of the car, right?

So, when this car goes around a corner, the bottom swings outwards. As a result, it is a tilting train with no hydraulics, no active systems, entirely passive. Huh. The APT, fuck that shit. Don't need any of that shit. It costs too much money. Do it on the cheap, yeah. Just basic physics causes this train to tilt in such a way as to increase passenger comfort

and allow the train to go much faster than it otherwise could have. This is a brilliant system. It's really good. Talgo is cool. So when you're looking at old-fashioned, you know, very curvy lines, such as you might find in the Pacific Northwest, this is a natural system to say, let's give this a shot. Other advantages that Talco had is that they manufactured their own power systems. had that I integrated bag, they had a whole bunch of stuff that meant that, you know, you could

deploy these pretty much anywhere very quickly and cheaply. You know, it was a whole, like, self-contained system, which is one of the reasons why it had so much success internationally. And continues to this day. Building the train, AK. Yeah. So, M-Track gets a test set of some kind. They run in the Pacific Northwest for a while. They call it the, like the Pacific Talgo or something. They are so pleased with it that they eventually order their own sets. The Talgo six, right? You can see a train set here. I love the little cat ears and the baggage cars. Oh yeah. The cat ears are really cool. I love those. I had the, I had the fortune to ride these once, but I was very small, so I don't remember much of the trip other than we got

stuck behind the American Oriane Express, which broke down. Yep. Yeah, it was at, what, Pacific Station in Vancouver or whatever they call it. Yeah, that's at that moment that the fires of communism were lit within your heart. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, I remember distinctly there was someone, there was someone in front of us in the next booth, because I was with my family. Someone in front of us in the next booth was calling someone.

It was like, yeah, the train in front of us, it's overhanging the platform. So we can't, yeah, it's a $3,000 train. Just anger sort of building, it's like season one of Andor. Yeah, it's a $3,000 train in like 2002 or something as well. Jesus. So these, these Talgo trains are used to expand what becomes the Cascade Service, right? The Cascade Service becomes a corridor between Vancouver and, I don't know, Eugene. They run a train from Portland to Seattle, and they run one from Vancouver to Seattle.

No train completes the whole route. Okay. They run like six of, between six and eight of them a day. I can't remember. They changed service a bunch with COVID. Yeah, I don't know either. I don't know anything about that coast. We have the one train.

I've taken it once, and it was, I didn't get to ride the Talgo for reasons you'll discover. Yeah. Anyway. But, but yeah, so they get this Talgo pendular. works really good. They do some basic modifications to the lines to allow these, such as putting in new speed limit signs. Look, you can see here, this says P-70. That's for passenger train, 70 miles an hour, but T, that's 79. That's where the talgos. Hell, yeah. Why is it 79? Because American's a scared of real speeds? Yeah, after Naperville, you could only do 80 if you had cab

signaling. They didn't go that far. You also had to add a bunch of other safety systems, you know, to protect from like overspeed and, you know, that's so on and so forth, right? You know, which, which will be relevant later, you know, but anyway, yeah, these are very cool train cars. They had a very fancy bistro car with a bunch of, like, bespoke, like, nice class work. And we'll talk about that later. Why? To use them with these locomotives as well. It's, like, beautiful sort of European sports car. So they still use those locomotives as well, but they've gutted

all the engines out of them and they use them as baggage cars. Yeah, so this is this is an F-40 which has been converted to baggage, right? Well, the door is actually back here. That's actually from before it was converted to baggage, I think, because now they have just a

big sliding, like garage door on the side of them. They call them cabbages. On the other end, they're There's a F-59 PHA, which is actually more streamlined and designed for the thing. But these guys, whatever. I think they're cute. Yeah, I like them.

You know, it's trying its best. It's like an old trusty Toyota pickup or something. You know, it's like, it gets a job done. Have the cat ears. Plus, it gives you the nice little swoop sort of line down the side. Yeah, cat-eared locomotive. That's very much a Pacific Northwest kind of thing. And the F-40s were good for 110, so, you know, it goes as fast as you needed to, which is

79 this is what if you're a car guy you might call this a slow fast train you know oh yeah because it goes 80 miles an hour but it's a fast 80 miles an hour yeah it's like an old 80s turbo car where it's like it takes you seven seconds to get to 60 you're like damn it sounds so cool rowing through the gears it's like screaming and you look down you're like 35 oh hell yeah so um That's Talgo technology right here, which allows you to go faster on slow track. Anyway, back to Victoria. So do you remember that thing I was talking about earlier where they built this rail line in the 1890s?

Well, so 2006 rolls around. And Amtrak is like, hey, so we have this huge checkpoint up here at the Nelson Bennett Tunnel at the edge of point defiance because this has been converted to single track and it also serves freight. And, you know, this is, it's constraining our ability to run as many trains as we want. And if we want to do high speed service someday, because they've been talking about doing like an actual high speed rail line in the Pacific Northwest since about 2000. We do not have one. But they dream big. So they're like, what if we bypass this?

Sound transit, which is Seattle's, you know, regional rail operator that runs the A4 mentioned sounder, already owns most of this right of way, highlighted in red here from Tacoma. to DuPont, and they use the Lakewood stop as like one of their stations for the sounder. You know, what if we just modernize this whole section of rails? We can actually run, you know, the Talgo trains on it. We can skip this whole section. It should save us like, it won't save a ton of time. I think they were projecting like 10, 15 minutes.

But it allows us to run with a lot more reliability. And also, you know, when we do further high speed upgrades in the future, we already have this track here that's like a lot more suitable. Yeah, there's a lot. of problems with like if you're sharon with freight railroads they don't like the idea that they got to you know upgrade their trains with stuff like cab signaling or like you know um modern signaling systems in general they're kind of like i don't know i think i'm fine running trains at 45 miles an hour yeah yeah and also trains that are notably too long to fit in siding so you can't

let amtrak's pass yeah as i discovered on my recent cross-country trip on the empire builder which was certainly an experience. Yeah, they're still using Superliner Ones on those. I had a car that was from the Carter admin on that trip, actually. Yeah, it was hell yeah, until the toilet stopped working. Oh, that's good. Which happened like three separate times on the two and a half day trip. You are now a living history reenactor.

Yeah, it felt, you know, we were just grabbing the Oregon Trail segment earlier. And it was like, yeah, I almost died of dysentery on Amtrak. That'd be a good shirt. Yeah, I mean, I was died of dysentery, not an Amtrak, just like the last few days, so I'm with you. Yeah. One of those things about like Amtrak is the Amtrak long distance trance is like, okay, you know, you wake up in the morning on day two. That's when the big horrible cardboard trash cans have come out in the toilets. Yeah.

You know, and it's like, oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was, it was certainly an experience. The coach seats get more, they get less comfortable every night you sleep on the toilet. them too. Or you get the roomettes, the old, the roomettes and the old view liners that have the toilet in the room, but like, not like in a separate room, but like it's in, in the room. That's like, I'm going to go to another car. Yeah, I'm going to poop with somebody else's bathroom. Fuck this. Yeah. I don't shit where I eat. Yeah. But yeah, so the Tacoma

to Lakewood section here roughly corresponds to the original route that was, uh, that was, you know, laid down by the great um by northern pacific in uh 1873 the lakewood to du pont section is that prairie line that that extension line that was built by um the tacoma and gray's harbor in the 1890s but you know it's been more or less sitting here waiting for them to be like hey we have these tracks let's use them um so the initial budget is like half a billion dollars um but then you know 2008 hits uh and they're like okay we have limited federal funding and limited appetite to spend all this money so they take they get 800 million from the feds for the stimulus project that they spread it all across the state they spend 181 million dollars on this section of

line and the feds attach a deadline of 2017 to finish all this work or otherwise they run out of money and they don't get any money anymore so they're like okay we got to hurry up and finish the section so you know they modernize all of this so they can run the um the towel goes on it and it's it's kind of coming down to the wire But, you know, wait, I'll start with the next side's text and then we can switch. On December 18th, 2017 at 733 a.m., 144 years in two days after the first track it was laid on what is the right of way for this route. On its maiden passenger voyage on the newly completed point defiance bypass, next slide, please. The Amtrak Cascades speeds through a 30 mile an hour curve at 78 miles an hour, derails,

falls off a bridge and lands on Interstate 5 beneath it, completely blocking southbound I-5 and crushing a bunch of cars. Incredible. Just like we set this bomb for our great-great-grandchildren to find. Yes. Yeah, so this is a picture of the accident aftermath. You can see all of those pretty tallow cars completely destroyed. Next slide, please.

It's worth noting that this like really does just completely block off interstate 5. south um you know the train every single like car on the train except for the trailing like locomotive derailed um there were 83 people aboard three of them three of the passengers died at 65 people were injured including people in the cars below you know on the tracks i don't know how anybody below didn't die because the train was just literally dropping on top of like SUVs and stuff it's insane looking through the ntsb report it is like i three people feels like a miracle. Um, the three killed passengers were all foamers who were riding to celebrate the new bypass opening, uh, which does feel like, you know, they, it's rail fans dying in the

line of duty. And for that, I salute them. This is, you know, three orders of Lenin. Yeah, three, I mean, it, it's just, yeah, it, it, it's, uh, it does, that's really sad and pointless and, and, and yeah, no, that sucks. Yeah, extremely. Um, but I do, I do, I do, salute them for, you know, being there to write. I've, I've ridden so many first day of transit things that it's actually very, like, a damn, I totally get that kind of moment. This is one of the reasons why I wait till day two or three. Yeah.

What everyone else? Nah, I always get so excited. I'm like, I want to say that I wrote it. So, and I mean, you know, you ride an Amtrak and like, yeah, they have accidents and stuff, but you, you know, generally speaking, it's assumed the train is safe. Yeah. Train safe, car dangerous. Yeah.

Yeah. And I mean, this was, this is really bad for like the entire Pacific Northwest because they closed down all of I-5 South. And, you know, it's it's an hour and a half because of the geography of the the Puget Sound. It takes an hour and a half to get the detour around this. I mean, this just destroys like all local transit. So obviously, as you can tell from this, the train was going too fast. The Y is really frustrating. Yeah. Next slide, please. So I've done my best. to highlight it here in blue on this Google Maps screenshot. But this is where the crash happened, the part of I-5 South here, where the first bend is. And you'll notice that that seems kind of sharp for a passenger train that's supposed to do 80 miles now. I am noticing this.

Yeah. So back in 2006, when Amtrak was going to build the port defiance bypass, they were like, hey, this curve is kind of sharp. we should probably build a new bridge that's a lot gentler that allows us to like maintain speed and then they did the math on it and realized it's going to cost 400 million dollars so they were like well we can still hit six trains a day which was their you know surface tire or eight trains a day or whatever i can't remember which two they were actually projecting it this time it was 2006 they were

like we'll have high speed rail by 2015 so you know none of this came true um they're like we'll just slow the trains down to 30 for this corner and we'll skip this and we'll just spend the money elsewhere because there's so many other improvements we got to make you know along the entire cascades route and we only have 800 million dollars so like let's just leave the bridge for now fine yeah this is not like a crazy idea you know because we've had like um you know systems that can detect over speed for a hundred and 25 years at this point it's yeah some it's it's it's it's It's not like, you know, you're going to, you're, you're not likely to have an overspeed as long as people recognize this is a place where it should, it would be catastrophic.

So we should install those systems here. Yeah, yeah. So next slide, please. So one of the systems that you would use to stop this from happening is called positive train control, which is, you know, the train, the train knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. And you know, let's say you have a 30 mile an hour curve in the middle of your 80 mile an hour trackage. If it rips past the 30 mile an hour zone and the engineer does not start applying the brakes, it will say, hey, I shouldn't be doing this. And then it will slam on the

brakes. And of course, you'll remember this derailment happened in 2017. Congress mandated implementation of this in 2015 for all like major passenger routes and big freight lines. So it should have been in place. Like this, this, you know, this exact situation was anticipated and legislated theoretically out of existence. But the freight railroads were like, hey, this cost money. Well, also they did it in like the most completely useless way possible, where they rely on GPS, you know, which GPS isn't accurate enough to even know what track of train is on when there's two parallel tracks. So like, you know, it's, it's, I mean, it's crazy. I, you could use a lot older systems to do this properly.

But they didn't do that either, which is the pace on a lot of railroads in the United States, where there's just like the systems that should have been there for 80 or 90 years just aren't. Yeah. Yeah. So notably, like, none of this was there. There is no positive train control. The train is just, you know, the engineer drives the train.

And if the engineer fucks up, the train goes off the bridge. You know, that's. Yes. Which, you know, is, again, what? One of those situations where you're like, okay, but I mean, like, you know, the sounder runs on a lot of these similar, you know, it doesn't run all the way down south to where this exact derailment happened, but it runs in a lot of the same trackage. I mean, they run fine, and they don't have positive train control. So, you know, theoretically should be fine.

You know, that's why you do training runs. Next slide, please. Yeah, yeah, you got to have the knowledge. You got to know the route. Yeah. So here is a map of the, uh, the trackage leading up to where the train derailed. And you'll see that there's, you know, the T30 P30, and that's your speed limit signs for the, that's the two-mile warning. And that's- Oh, right, the diagonal ones, yeah.

Yes. Diagonal ones mean the speed limits coming up. Yes. And then in the middle here, it's not marked on this. This is directly from the NTSB, but it's not marked here. But somewhere between 18 and 19, closer to the 19, there's your like one-mile warning sign. And then, you know, at the curve, there is the, hey, you're going to go off the bridge if you're not doing 30 miles an hour sign.

Increasingly urgent warning signs. Please do not die. Please don't make an ass of yourself. Re, re my previous three signs. As per my previous sign. And these are, these are again, these are like, okay, the speed limit is for comfort and not so much for, like, safety, but, you know, okay, if you went around this, at 40, you know, people would be

unhappy. If you go around this at 80, you're going straight. Right. Yeah. So, you know, there's a new section of rail with this corner that's been discussed in multiple meetings and like, you know, the Amtrak knew about it. And so it's like kind of a known quantity, but like, oh, this could be a problem.

And so what they do is they take all the engineers that are going to run on this section and they just, they cram all of them into the cab of one of these Siemens charges and like, here, take a look at it. Or actually, in most cases it was an F-40. They're like, here, look. And so the engineer who was driving on this maiden voyage had only ever actually gone through this section of track in this direction once at night in the

rain. All the other times, he's either riding shotgun or he was shoved in the back of the cabin facing backwards. So this guy's a idea what he's doing. I mean, yeah. But it also, like, again, I can't stress this enough it keeps getting worse um so the sign at mile 19.8 which is supposed to be your hey you have a mile to slow down and that's when you're supposed to start hitting the brakes right like the two mile sign is too far ahead you if you start hitting the brakes then you'll just be doing 30 for a bunch of time you know so you're supposed to hit it a mile that sign is extremely poorly placed and like blends with the signal box that is placed right behind it and so like it's very very easy to miss um and uh so the

The engineer misses the, the warnings, the first warning sign of like, hey, slow down, which is like, you know, he's kind of monitoring a new section of track. You know, that's not completely unforgivable. He misses the second one because the sign is completely invisible. And then, you know, we get to the third one. And, of course, there's a conductor in the cabin, too, on this maiden voyage, but, like, he's never even run this before. This is his first time to get familiarized with the trackage himself. So he's not there to help. He's there to like learn for himself.

So he's not giving the engineer any assistance whatsoever. Bad enough, but this is a paying passenger run. They have brought FOMAs along because they do not believe that they are insouled. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I mean, I, like, again, of all of the people who have ever died in one of these episodes, these are the, I spiritually relate to these guys the most possible where it's like, yeah, I got super excited about public transit. Where it's like, we hope that our deaths will not delay the program, because they're, the exploration of space is worth the risk, but it's like getting the train on the first day. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Um, so okay. So there's the two signs, you know, the human error causes him to miss the first one. Uh, signage being poorly laid cause him to miss the second one. But like, you know, usually engineers aren't like paying super close attention to the signs. They're looking for like landmarks. Um, so, you know, maybe he would notice like, hey, this corner's coming up.

I should probably jam on the brakes. Next slide, please. So, this is a Siemens Charger. This is a locomotive that was involved in the crash. These were pertinently very new when this happened. They had just entered these into the fleet. So 27 seconds before he reaches the corner, the track is downhill sloped coming into it,

and the train hits 82 miles an hour, and it starts beeping like crazy because it's over the speed limit. This is a, it's an over-speed alarm, but it is not tied to the position of where the train is on the tracks. It's just saying, hey, you're breaking the federally mandated speed limit. Now, the engineer, who, again, has driven this section of track once in a different locomotive, has never actually driven a Siemens charger.

He's attended classroom training. And he's like, you know, he's hung out in one, but he's never actually, like, driven one. So this thing is beeping. I'm hung out on the train, too. God damn. Yeah. So he's like, what does this mean? And of course, it's a different alarm than the overspeed alarms he's used to. So he spends like 20 seconds looking down at the gauges of the train,

trying to figure out what the fuck is beeping at him. You know, and just meanwhile, the train is like headed directly towards this corner. And so he looks up with six seconds to the corner and you can hear it on the, you know, cockpit voice recorder basically where he's like, oh, fuck. And, you know, tries to apply breaks. And of course, at this point, you're doing 80 miles an hour and you are coming up on a corner that, you know, mandates 30. So, uh, it's, it's too late at this point. So brand new locomotive only run this section of track once. Um, no positive train control, no fail safes whatsoever. Uh, so the train,

you know, next slide, please. I, I mean, the train goes off. Here's, here's another shot where you can kind of see like, I can't believe the people in the cars below just didn't die. Jesus, what? Left and right. Um, that's actually, if you look, you can see the uprights for the suspension. here. Yeah. That's that funky suspension that Roz was talking about earlier lying flat on the ground because, yeah, the talgo designs were heavily implicated in the final report

about why there were fatalities because the cars were not built to modern FRA standards regarding crashworthiness. So the engineers live, like the train obviously, you know, and locomotive went off first and hardest. But the Siemens Charger

did its job and kept them alive. But, you know, some of the passengers died because the train crushed and basically the wheels fell in and, you know, destroyed entire rows of seating for God from the car. And then, of course, the wheels bouncing around everywhere. We're just kind of like, it's amazing that nobody else died because you've basically got, you know, thousands of pounds of chunks of steel bouncing around in interstate where cars are going 70 miles an hour.

Well, now, in fairness, I think if it were conventional rolling stock, it probably would have done the same thing. Just because, you know, the wheels, the bogies are basically held on by gravity. That's fair. Yeah. It's not really a kind of expected sort of deviation to drop a train onto somebody's car. Yeah, also FRA crash-worthiness standards are fundamentally broken. That's- That's a different subject.

That's fair. But the wheels coming in and crushing parts of the car definitely did seem like it was suboptimal. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, this one was just kind of a, you know, and I- I had written this down one second. Yeah, it's worth noting that in 2000, so earlier in 2017, the NTSB in an unrelated report had noted that Amtrak had, quote, a labor management relationship so adversarial that safety

programs became contentious at the bargaining table, with the unions ultimately refusing to participate. The crash was a month after that report. I am literally never going to blame a union for anything, so this is management's fault. It is. I mean, it's very much one of those cases where it is, like, looking through it, the NTSB cannot blame management, but also the, a lot of the engineers are, like, Amtrak immediately fired the engineer and he was like, what the fuck? And the court was like, you have to compensate with this guy for the rest of his life. What were you doing, throwing him into this train and saying like, go do revenue service. He'd never even driven one before. Yeah, this, this is, I mean, the railroad as an institution is fundamentally broken. Um, you know, this is definitely like an example of, okay, even, you know, you can talk about the class one freight railroads and all the horrible things they do.

Amtrak does horrible things too. Everything, it's all, it's all rotten to the core. I mean. Yeah. Well, and again, this was, you know, it's, it's kind of funny that like this was driven by, uh, a race to the deadline to secure federal funding. Again. Again.

Again. that then you know I mean this is and it's not even like one of those things where it's like oh you could say you know this could have this could have happened whenever it's like no this is probably going to happen like one of the first couple of trips because so much of it also depends on the engineer not knowing where he is like you know they that all the engineers that the NTSB reviewed talked about how you know usually they have like fixed positional landmarks to orient themselves with and you know for tricky sections like this they have like a house they pass or something you know they look for um in addition to

the sign in case they missed something and so like you know this was this was just kind of like a first day disaster waiting to happen and really a reason not to rush this because you're it's likeliest to be a problem when your engineers are the least proficient in the segment and of course like the track being owned by sound transit and you know partially it was built by it was like managed by bnsf for this section and sound transit didn't actually run any trains on this part of it and so they were like Like, no, it's Amtrak's responsibility to make this. Basically, you know, there should be a whole, there should be a lot of training around, like, specific hazardous corners like these,

and everybody just sort of blame-gamed it, and nobody had the training for, like, a corner that was this obviously going to cause a problem. Because, again, nobody, like, everybody manages it and runs on it, but nobody really wants to own it. Yeah, I mean, there was no, like, basic safety systems in place to prevent, you know, We all make boneheaded mistakes, especially on the first day of work. And, you know, there was nothing in place. There were systems that you could have implemented to stop this from happening.

Yeah. Nah. Yeah, I mean, if they had positive train control, this just wouldn't have happened. If they had not even positive train control, I mean, you could put an automatic train stop system from like 1910 in there. It would have done its job. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it was, it took them until 2021 to end up resuming service on this segment.

They waited to get PTC implemented, but, you know, it ended up taking another four years anyway to fix the bridge and, you know, like actually properly do training and then COVID hit. And so it didn't, it's just one of those things where it's like, you know, one of the things that's eternally frustrating is reading about trying to, you know, hit these man chosen dead. lines for engineered projects that sometimes maybe just need more time. But anyway, like sliding, please. Yeah. Then, you know, one of the consequences of this

was these these Talgo six trains were scrapped. Jesus, like putting down a dog? Yeah. Well, cats, because of the ears. No. Yeah, exactly. That makes me even sad. They were sent to

a company called the railroad excursion management company. Oh, no. And then a colleague of ours put them through a shredder and then got a phone call from the ambassador to Mexico for commerce, and then episode 143 of this podcast happened. And a great time was had by all. Yes. Nobody had to hide in electrical closets dodging the Mexican Navy as a consequence of the

kind of murder of these innocent Talgos. Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of people are, you know, mad about the Talgo Sixes being scrapped. I am told by Scooter that these things were, in fact, shot to hell by the time he got to them. And I have now seen the videos of him smashing all the priceless glass fixtures in the Bistroke car. It was going to go through the shredder anyway. It doesn't matter. Still, man, you know.

One of them is preserved. Don't worry. Well, they preserved 90% of it. I preserved 100% of it, and then there's 10% of another car on the end. Yeah, that's true. This is my Frankentrade. This is my real trade.

This is my real trade. Oh, God. I've seen a picture of it. It's hilarious. It's like they just ripped. They ripped it off another car. Yeah. They have that up at the,

at the Snoqualmie. round road museum which is where my wife and I went on our first date

we rode we rode Northern Pacific's 894 the steam locomotive it's a

Baldwin 260 I think like 1895 I made the same trip we did yeah yeah it's a

it's a really it's a really cool little museum that is also yeah we moved in together and then

immediately the next day went to write a steam train together because we're lesbians so and good idea

they do have If they do have the tail go up there. Yeah, I mean, other notable side effects of this is that it takes three hours and 25 minutes to get from Portland to Seattle today. In 1966, it took three hours and 30 minutes. Progress. That's an improvement. Notably, it takes two hours and 45 minutes using a car at posted speed limits.

I think the fastest metro liner schedule on the Northeast Corridor is still faster than the new Acela. So, you know, it's, it's slower across the board. Yeah. Yeah. Nowadays, we don't even have, we've got the, I was talking with you about this before the, we started recording where we had to scrap, I don't know if we scrapped them, but there was substantial rust damage in the cars they were using instead of the Talgos. So we are now using like Am fleets from the 70s.

They had to ferry out here from the East Coast for the Cascade Service. So instead of the fancy bistro cars and like the nice. seats, it's just kind of like an old dingy, um, you know, kind of like, warned to hell. You can go in the cafe car and see a picture of Trenton, New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or is I like to call it the East Coast Tacoma. There's, there's one cafe car that has a picture in Nashville, which is a place M-Track doesn't go to. Um, it's aspirational, Roz. Yeah, you know, it'd be nice if they did. Um, I'd love to go to back to Nashville I too well that makes one of us I'm gonna be I throw it you know

Victoria I am gonna be a an a pie on the town with my boyfriend bottom tier Trent I don't know some jokes about Prats run out of material here let's wrap this I've been to Nashville I've been in Nashville three or four times for work and it's the only city I ever traveled to repeatedly that has a 100% slur rate and that I get called a name every single fucking time I'm there sucks I'm sorry yeah Yeah, genuine. And I'm only ever there for like two days because it's press trips. So it's like you fly in, you go to some fancy hotel and they sequester you for everybody. I go outside for like a cigarette and somebody's like, hey, you know, redacted.

I don't know. Can I, yeah, can I. You can't say training. We're not going to start. You can say tranny. I've been, I've said it so many times over the course of the show. Two, two thirds of us can't say it, but you can say it. Yeah, no, I, yeah. So I'm, I'm, and every time I go to Nashville too, it's like, I feel like, you know, the people who are nice to me are kind of like

I feel like I'm in a zoo or like like it's like impressive to be able to like clock that hard you know like that's and just to have the full like Tisler on deck as well you know it's been a different one like every it's been like it's it was like it's like it's like tranny and like bag it and like

a couple I don't remember specifically because I've tried to block all memories of Nashville out of my mind but like it's like it's a rotating castes and the only city it's ever been like consistently meaner to me is Reno, and I lived there. Which shocks me, you'd figure Reno, would they be like, who gives a shit? This is bad news for the... Oh, no, Reno is bad.

This is bad news for the show I just booked at the Grand Old Aubrey. I can't believe you're gonna come to the show. They're gonna invent new slurs for like straight men to call you while you're there. Anyway, yeah. What do we learn? What do we learn? Train your engineers? Yeah, don't do fancy European cars too fancy for America.

There's a lot of safety systems you can install on the railroad, not even positive train control, because the freight railroads fuck that one up, which can prevent boneheaded mistakes like this one. One of the things which I have personally found fascinating from watching, you know, well, accident videos such as on Mentor Pilot is, you know, sort of compare how the airlines handle huge accidents like this to how the railroads handle them, which is the railroads are just like, ah, fuck you, including M-Track, you know. It's like, really like, idiot mistake occurs, and then someone notes that the idiot mistake

preventer was developed by a guy in his spare time in 1909. Yeah. nine sounds pretty late, but yeah, you know, these are, these are solved problems. They just don't exist on huge swaths of the American Railroad Network. You, you could, you could have easily prevented this problem with a little bit of modern infrastructure. And no, we just don't, we don't do that. And it's confusing as to why, you know, and this is, you know, the whole industry that, The safety culture needs to change. You know, there is a, there is a future where people at least aspire to zero derailments.

We're far from that. You know, people need to realize things can be better. Oh, yeah. Which, having written Amtrak recently, it's pretty easy to look at that and be like, this could be better. Yeah. You know, I, this was, this was, it's confusing just because you would think if you're rehabilitating a railroad in the year of our Lord 2006, you would install some systems that would have been considered advanced in 1898.

But here we are. I don't know. Well, notably, it's just that guy's fault. And notably, if they had just spent a little more money on the bridge, it had like a little bit more money instead of having, you know, limited bucket of money. They could just rebuild the bridge. The train could have gone 80 and no one would have died. Yes. And it also would be faster and work better. Yes. Um, notably like, what we learned. Yeah. Spend more fucking money. Yeah. Um, if there's a system that will prevent a problem that was developed before your grandfather was

born, like, you should install that. Well, we have a segment on this podcast called Safety Third. Greetings, Justin, Liam and November. Ficked up. Yep, yep, nope. Miss Victoria, transphobic. Yeah, I've been meaning to share this for a while, but my ADHD just wouldn't let me. I'm a train

dispatcher for a regional railroad here in Michigan, and this is the story. of how Pete Buttigieg gave me COVID and ruined my vacation. So this all starts and what I thought would be a completely normal day. I showed up for my afternoon shift at our dispatch office, which is inside an old yardmaster's tower. The yardmasters are long gone, so us dispatchers have inherited the best view in the house.

Nice. Back in the summer of 2022, Pete Buttigieg, who was Biden's secretary of transportation pictured here, was on this big national tour, talking up investments in infrastructure. One of his stops just happened to be our rail yard, and I had no idea. We're usually kept in the dark about these kinds of visits. Mixed my days up, ended up on Kassiman in a room with Pete Booteridge. Who amongst us, you know?

I like usually here implying that this has happened several times before. once or twice they were informed. Plus, since a bigger company had recently bought the railroad, assume that's Genesee in Wyoming, we had already had random executives in the orange menace, yeah. We'd already had random executives in fancy suits showing up all the time. They didn't write that it was G&W, by the way. I just inferred that.

So when I walked up to the tower and there was this big guy in a, black suit and sunglasses standing at the door. I just assumed he was one of them. I said, hello, asked if he needed to get in, he mumbled no, and I went upstairs like nothing was out of the ordinary. Yeah, that's my interactions with Secret Service, too, yeah. What interactions have you had with Secret Service? I went to, oh, this is gonna docks my location. Shit. No. You live in Philadelphia. Philadelphia. I'll tell you after Beep. Got it. Joe Biden

likes a Vietnamese restaurant near my house. Yeah. I like it too, Ross. You're not special. No, it's a very good Vietnamese restaurant. Yeah, they have the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, fish bull shit that you're supposed to have two people to drink it, but I just get it by myself. It's owned by my landlord's cousin, I believe. Oh, is it? Um, see, giving out this kind of information is exactly how our guests end up supplying you with satellite images of your own deck. Anyway, no, this is a problem with living in Philly, is you just have run-ins with

Joe Biden, even now. So, anyway, where was I? Weekdays are insanely busy, and most dispatchers absolutely do not enjoy surprise visitors staring at us while we work. When I walked in, my co-worker on the first ship took one look at me and said, oh, you're underdressed. For the Secretary of Transportation? At your job. Yeah. Turned out the visit was supposed to be over before my shift even started, which is why

no one even bothered to warn me. of Habsburg shit, is it to expect your dispatchers to be wearing, like, white ties. Suit and ties, right. Maybe tails. Yeah. Yeah. Not even a minute later, a motorcade of black SUVs and police cruisers rolled into the parking lot. You'd think Mayo Pete would take the trains and see the train

dispatcher, but apparently not. Not important. Like, why does... Okay, sure. America's fucking crazy. Yeah, we know. I thought he was the transit guy. Apparently not, well, no, different guys that transit. Secret Service haven't worked out how to, like, up-arm or a bicycle yet.

Yeah, actually, I understand that was a problem. The presidential bicycle, it's just like, you know, it's landmine proof in the sense that the president is a kind of fine mist, but the bike is completely impervious and it's fine. I want to say people just did try and... He did try and bike around DC, but there were like three SUVs around him, protecting the bicycle. insanely paranoid. Like, there's no reason for this.

Novo, we have 350 million guns. Yeah, but like, how often do people take a shot at Pete Buttigieg? USA. Well, never, but that's because we have 350 million guns. Well, never, because they go... I don't under... I don't understand how the SUVs... I don't understand how the SUVs prevent you from taking a shot at Pete Buttigieg.

Their aura is too strong. Yeah. Deflex the bullets. It's like fortune and metal gear solid too. Yeah, the kind of psychic violence of like Fed's security theater dissuades any potential assassin. A thing feds actually believe works, like. As a high-ranking government official, you should just be able to get drunk and wander

out and hang out with hippies on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Oh, going for. There's a Netflix miniseries about the Garfield assassination. I think also, yeah, should take you to that position, which is, it was probably better than just let them walk around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These people are so coddled up that they never experienced. Anyway, never experienced shit that, like, President Garfield experienced.

Being made a slutty little carter by your doctor, yeah. At some point, you forget how to shop for groceries. And at that point, you should be disqualified from public office. office. So anyway, not even a minute later, a motorcade of black SUVs and police cruisers rolled into the parking lot. And of course, the railroad doesn't stop for anyone, so there was little time to spectate at the crowd of people outside. A minute later, a parade of people ascended the stairs, including railroad executives, reporters, security staff, and then Pete Buttigieg himself. He walked right up to me, shook my hand, and introduced himself. And honestly, he seemed like a

genuinely nice person. That's his job is to seem like a genuinely nice person. After a lightning fast introduction, the president of the railroad turned to me and said, okay, go ahead and give everyone a quick explanation of what train dispatching is. I was completely unprepared and frankly horrified. Fifteen minutes earlier, I had been expecting a normal day. Not a spontaneous TED talk in front of the Secretary of Transportation. I did my best to explain what we do probably stumbling over most of my words and sounding like a fool. Meanwhile, I'm making desperate eye contact

with my coworker, silently begging her to save me. She just kept working away on the phone like there's the most important phone call of her career. Eventually, she finished and thankfully stepped in explaining what was happening on the CTC that's centralized train control.

Dispatch screen, as if she was turning over to him to take over the dispatching duties. This whole visit lasted maybe 20 minutes. Before they all left, Pete shook my hand one more time. This is important for later. Oh, no. Thank you, Freddie foreshaddle. Now, we're going to jump ahead a few days.

My wife and I are at Walt Disney World. Or, as I've started calling it, Bay Lake Country Fair, because it's really gone downhill. It fucking has, dude. Listen, catch. I, as somebody who's forced to go to Disney World a lot of the time, because I'm married to the most terrifying woman of the universe, I can confirm it has really gone downhill. She's 5-7, and she's very scary. But yes, go ahead. And then other people are puking up their grand manier slushies, but not Liam, because I can hold my liquor, you motherfuckers.

Now, when I'm in the Disney bubble, I try and leave all real world stress behind. Hey, whatever gets you to enlightenment, you know? You can Disney mode. That's fine, probably. We were in the Space Mountain Q. Oh, no. Family in front of us started talking about the news.

Pete Buttigieg just tested positive for COVID-19. Is Pete Buttigieg that much more important than I imagine him to be the just random Disney enthusiasts like, hey, do you hear the fucking high elves of like, it's a necromat.

fancy is banned in Saradil or whatever. Like, the nice centrist lives think he's gonna be the next president. Because he has a straight gay boyfriend. And I'm Mayor Marnia, keep going. Yeah, exactly. And without thinking, I jumped in with, oh, I met him a few days ago. You idiot. As you can imagine, they put the pieces together a lot faster than I did.

By day three of the trip, I woke up with a dry cough. This is pleasing to me, because like, this is one of the, I've only had this one out of the three times I've had COVID where you get the kill camp, where you know where and when you got it and from whom. And you should get that every time, if you ask me. Like, doubly so if it kills you, then you should get a little like- Definitely better get, you better have like a cutscene, yeah. By day five, I was coughing so much that strangers were giving me the side eye.

I wrote it off as allergies, because apparently denial is a powerful thing. were optional at Disney at the time, but my wife, who was significantly smarter than me, suggested that I wear one. Yeah, that might be a good idea. Feel it in my fucking bones. It helped the cough, at least. By day six, our last day, I was completely wiped out. I didn't even leave the hotel room.

I shut the curtains, laid in bed all day, and my phone would buzz every now and then, with pictures of my wife, living her best life in the Magic Kingdom. Yeah, been there. When we got home, I finally took a COVID test. Surprise, it was positive. I spent the next several days miserable, but I did get an extra paid week off. So I guess that sort of balances out the ruined vacation. I feel like you should get like a challenge coin or an achievement or something if you

got COVID, if you got infected with COVID by a cabinet secretary. Like... A little Xbox notification in your peripheral vision. It's like how some video games have an achievement for, like, played with one of the developers, you know? So, in true safety, third fashion, here's the moral. The odds of Pete Buttigieg, giving you COVID at work are low, but never zero. And honestly, the safest way to avoid getting COVID is simple.

Just don't go to work ever. Buzz. Yep. Feel free to cite me in your HR meetings. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed my story. I did try to keep it short, but, well, you know how that goes. That was about...

That was about... Thank you, Andy. So yeah, this could happen to you. Remain vigilant. Always, always be vigilant. You never know when Pete Buttigieg is coming to your location to give you COVID. Secretary of giving you COVID.

I thought that was our answer. thought that was RFK or the worm actually the worm I can't believe that one they told him a picture or picture of her butthole he's not a real doctor but he is a real worm got it likes to play the drums don't send people picture or do said he thinks he's getting good about all the people who like you and he can handle criticism yeah that was safety 3rd. Shake hands for danger. Next episode will be about Chernobyl.

Does anyone have any commercials before we go? Come to the live shows, Victoria, and all that she does. Come to the live shows, or else. Yeah. Come to live shows. You have one warning remaining, and to show you we're serious, you have no warnings remaining. Exactly, exactly.

Come to the live shows and we'll shove you into the reactor at Three Mile Island, which is apparently being reactivated. They're not calling it Three Mile Island anymore. calling at the Crane, the Clean Energy Center. Fuck on. You know, yeah, we'll shove you into the old reactor that's melted down, actually. Um, you know, because we can't go to Chernobyl because it's a war.

Well, trying to come up with examples for newspeak kind of shit. It's like, let's like in Seattle. We, our, our stadium is owned by Jeff Bezos. It's called Climate Pleasured Arena. Subscribe to the Patreon and, and, and if you know, do. Don't subscribe to the Patreon on iOS. Do it, like, not through the, through any of your iPhone apps, because Tim Apple takes a cut, and the cut is substantial, actually. Yeah, if you subscribe to the Patreon from your iPhone-type device, all you have to do

is to subscribe on your web browser as opposed to through the Patreon app. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. We will make literally dozens of dollars more. if you do this. Yes, and I love technology. Anyway, it's good, isn't it? Yeah.

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