Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 196: The Ambassador Bridge

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

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I was saying earlier before we started recording that I've been sort of like watching some YouTube videos on similar topics as ours to of course steal their ideas and incorporate them into our own much in the same way that you stole $200 from me yeah exactly exactly and those guys they have like production values and granted like we're a you know a podcast first that is also on YouTube and they're like YouTube channels but like they've got like animations and shit

like this is one guy really interesting wish I remember the name so I could shout him out as if someone like 10 times our followers needs a shout out but like he was talking about like how the fucking Romanian gold mining industry like poisoned the Danube went out to Romania

walked around kicked cancer causing dust around and it's like I'm sort of glad that we're not doing that don't have to do that you don't have to wear a respirator you don't have to do any of that What's really embarrassing is one of those high production value channels, like they make this expensive animation about something and they're wrong. Yeah, no, that is true. That's really funny.

Yeah, that happens pretty frequently. At least when we're wrong, we didn't put too much effort into it. I think the thing is that inculcates a kind of healthy skepticism in the listener to be like, you know, these people that have, you know, the expertise that, you know, not being able to activate Windows can grunt. He knows how to do it. He just doesn't want to. No, I don't want to give money to that company anymore. You're right to do it. I mean, they're on the BDS, like, priority lesson, I'm pretty sure.

That's why I can't play Minecraft anymore. Oh, goddamn. It's sort of like one weird trick for developing an audience that isn't going to be insanely pedantic of everything that you do is they just sort of assume that you're only like three quarters correct generally. And then you get six. Six, six, seven. Six, seven.

Six, seven. All right, cool. We are bad people. I don't dispute this. No, I'm a good person. Yeah. A good person would forgive me for like taking those $200 from you. No, no, no, no, that was just theft.

I can't forget theft. Well, we had a good run. I have finished my tour. Oh, I broke my pad. I have finished my torrent, so I am ready to record. God the fucking doubt. Have you not been recording this whole? time?

No, I've been recording. You just like in a sort of unready to do it basis. You know, now you're ready. It's like, ah, I guess. Yeah, I got, I got Seinfeld and community. Nice. Also, November, you were invited to the Plex server. I have your, you're, I, I,

Oh, God damn it, okay. Yeah, it's just sitting there. Oh, you and Noah. You would know it. You were voting to your Plex server six or seven times. And I'm, six or seven? Seven? Uh huh.

This is the cold. This is the coldest open we ever done. It's getting colder by the same. We will cut all of this fucking amok collapse of an opening. Please take us in. We're gonna have to measure this in degrees Kelvin. Oh, my atoms, they're so cold. Or worse.

Rankine. That's something for another episode. The illusion of free choice. You have to measure temperature using a Scottish guy. Is Rankine Scottish? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Rankin very Scottish name. Like, you're like Rankin, Kelvin, Celsius, so Swedish, and then Fahrenheit German? I guess. I was German, yes. Yeah. Yeah, so what if a Swedish man was Scottish or what if a German man was Scottish? Horrendous car crash of accents. Folks, it's welcome to, well, there's your problem.

Nailed it. It's a podcast about engineering disasters with slides. I'm Justin Rosnack. I'm the person who's talking right now. My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. I'm November Kelly. I'm the person who's talking right now.

My pronouns are she and her. Yay, Liam. Hi. I'm Liam McAnderson. My pronouns are he and him. I'm the person talking right now. And we have a guest. You may be wondering where Victoria is she's, I ate her.

She went for a rod. And she fell into the whole. These are the consequences of heavy, these are the consequences of healthy living. You go for a run, you get eaten. Yeah. Well, the other thing is I was going to go visit June. But the subway caught on fire. Yes, it did.

So it's a good thing. I didn't do that. Signs and importance. And we have a guest. Yes, I am the guest. Hello. My name is Josh Borman. I am the person who is talking right now.

and my pronouns are he and also him. The Josh of all possible Borman. Very true. Very true. Man who does not have $200. I don't. But given that you owe me $200, Nova, it's kind of funny that I keep, I think I've faced you down four times now over the course of the past week or so.

And every single time, I just look at you and you just sit there and you, you taunt me. I do. I do. You know, I'm going to get those dollars out in cash from like a Bureau de Saint. and just sort of fanned them, do like a money spread, you know? Just all $1 bills. Like you're an aspiring rapper. 200 of them.

Wow. You don't know that I'm not an aspiring rapper. I can aspire to be anything I want to be. I didn't say that you could be. I would love to hear your mixtape. I assume it's straight gas. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no.

There's bars in here. And what we see in front of us is a very normal bridge. This is nice. This is stylish. I like the blue. I like the fun. I like how it hasn't come down yet. I really like the Ambassador Bridge like aesthetically. Yeah. We're talking about the Ambassador Bridge today, folks. It's it's so stupid. This almost has like a bonus energy already, you know? Like you should be paying to be here. You could cut news and we could do it as a bonus. No, we got to talk about the news. There's so much news. We got to talk about how they, new to Glasgow question mark? Well, no, hold on, hold on a second.

First, we have to do the goddamn news. Hold on, I have to do this. Let's see if this works. This is so easy, isn't it? Oh, no, no, no. No, no, we're, we're, we're, here we go. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, so, well, there's your problem in 10,000 losses. Share of Discord because I'm cheap and All right. The other fault of this is that this is, this doesn't fade down. I told you, you just got to click at a second time and it'll fade out. Rob, I told you. I kind of like the whole thing, you know, it's nice, you know, getting sort of reintroduced to it.

So, yeah. So, to, to, to, to, to, to, uh, vaguely misquote, um, by mom's middle of, middle school principal, students and faculty, sexy coffee is on fire. We have reason to believe it is burning. Yeah, yeah. I hate to say it. I love my plans growl, oh, thank God. Because of the left's intolerance of free speech and the changes in our society, we have lost

sexy coffee in Glasgow. How could you say that? There's flavor for days. It's right there on the right. That's true. So yeah, Glasgow has been destroyed. It's over. I'm personally recording this. I sound different, as you may have noticed. I sound different because I'm recording this from around a sort of barrel full of burning embers. It's actually an AI recreation of November Kelly. Yeah, we got real good at death. Very strict instructions like Scott Adams that in the event of my death in a sort of like vape shop fire situation to use AI to make me continue to podcast. forever in a kind of hellish non-existence.

Yeah, so there's this, there used to be this vape shop, like a sort of illegal, unregistered vape shop, directly next to Central Station, one of the two main stations in Glasgow and the like sole link to England. The big one, the important one. Yeah, yeah, nice architecture, as Justin, you know. I have fond memories of showing up there for a train that ended up being completely fucking canceled.

to ongoing rail strikes? Yeah. Well, so what if I was the only person to have a nice time on a voyager leaving from that station? Yeah, and you may yet be because this vape shop, it turns out, was maybe not the most successful or safe or sort of reasonable steward of a bunch of lithium ion batteries. Learn to dip. Yeah. And so we don't know exactly what caused the things.

fire, but a big electrical fire. Is it the big stack of lithium ion batteries labeled careful, frowny face? I'm suspecting so. Yeah, I mean, there is a sort of video of a guy's trying fruitlessly to sort of extinguish it as like more of them explode. It looks like the opening of Children of Man, it's grim. And so this has now taken out the whole building next to the station, which includes the bafflingly named sexy coffee and Blue Lagoon Fish and Chip Shop, which also burned down

itself last year. So it's just really a sort of cursed block. It's really weird vibes up there. It's sexy coffee like a Hooters, but for coffee? So sexy coffee, the deal is it's a coffee shop with like coffee themed cocktails and it's open

late. What? Yeah, it's something that doesn't feel like it should be in an English-speaking country. It feels like it should be like you're in Romania like drunk off your ass and you run into something called sexy coffee. It's like Bucharest. You know.

Yeah. You're going to have espresso. What is it? Espresso martini. I look through the pictures and they got a, it does look like a nice espresso martini. I will say that. So I never went into sexy coffee because I was put off by the name.

Okay. No, I never went to sexy coffee because I'm like, what am I going to go to somewhere called sexy coffee for, you know? But so the station is maybe fine, maybe not, but it is closed for, or like indefinite. Oh, you're kidding.

Yeah, I was about to say they must be having, I would not want to be working for great British railways at this point. No. Just on account of, I'm sure that the train shed probably bore into the masonry of this building, right? Yeah, I believe so. And because it's got like a big vaulted glass roof, you don't want to let people back in there. without being certain that they're not going to get a sort of Victorian leaded glass pain

through the, you know, side of the head. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, not only do you die, you also get stupider, yeah. Yeah, trying not to get Phineas Gage, trying not to get final destinations. The actual, like, building itself, which was very historic, you know, 19th century building, is, as you see, just completely collapsed into the street. I was surprised how bad this was, like, from the fire alone.

You really? Yeah. It gives you like sort of some sense of perspective. Like do you fire. Fire is really bad guys. Fire's really bad. And like this was a really weird thing to let happen directly next to a really strategic sort of site as well. Value property.

Yeah. By value target. Well, this kind of reminds me of in New York, this was like maybe decade, decade and a half ago when there was like a. a palms frets shop that blew up in the east village of new york city oh that dates it yeah yeah um and it was directly adjacent to like this building that had a theater like it was like a bar with a theater in the basement where i produced some shit uh back when i was still young and making theater uh and i mean i still am making theater i don't know why i said that is if i don't do it anymore i guess my point is that when you're young uh in the world seems fully at your fingertips and you

think that everything that you're making is the most beautiful thing with the most value. It makes you ideological in a way that is not the case as you grow older. So you can be horrified by the mere visage of the theater that has been exploded thanks to, I think, too much gas. It was like natural gas leak or something like that. Yeah, that tracks. I mean, the thing is this is part of a sort of broader trend, right? Like, Glasgow is a very flammable city, but it's mostly like property developers.

burning down listed buildings so they can turn them into student flats. Oh, yeah. This, just authentically an accident, as far as I know, but it is reflective of the entire city center being just kind of dead retail space. And so the only kind of businesses, you know, with some exceptions, admittedly, that can sort of stay there. Boatleg Vapes and sexy coffee and bootleg Vapes burn down sexy coffee and also maybe Central Station.

Hey, you know what other city has a long and store in history of, uh, you know what other city has a long and historic history of people burning down buildings because it's cheaper to recoup on the insurance money. Detroit, Michigan. Oh, yeah. I think that might come up later. I will note that thank God the Gregs survive. Oh, thank God. Yeah.

My sort of local color detail is that I didn't go out with a camera for this, right? Like, I respected myself enough not to do that, but I do You're doing way better than I did when the, when the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the goodwill collapsed in Philly. Oh, yeah. I, I should have, I should have, right? Like, why do I have all this camera shit? And to be fair, the, the, uh, fire service were like, stop flying drones over our heads.

Um, but my, the person who really has my heart is the person who brought a large, format press camera on a tripod and just stuck it at the end of the police cordon and like sort of winched it up and was taking like I think four by fives of this sort of like devastation that's incredible and I I wish someday to get on that person's level yeah so yeah so I died I did it's over it's all right and you can never have I'm not leaving you the two hundred dollars in the world Come on. No one can ever have coffee in a sexy way ever again.

No, they have to go to Greggs instead. Yeah. Did I ever tell you, Nova, about the time that I was, my unifying theory about like, why beer is one of the reasons that every English person drinks so much beer is that it's like the only way to get good cheap carbs. And then somebody said, well, you could just go to Greggs. And I was like, what are you talking about? I said good cheap carbs.

I will No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight you for the honor of Gregs Gregs is mid Yeah It serves a purpose But like come on Sure

Let's not get carried away here Hmm All right That's that's me Where everything It's done here Yeah All right

So we've established The podcast Does not respect Gregs In other news Oh right I have to do the thing You don't have And then do that

Yeah Oh that's Hold on. Ramp. Nope. No. No. No.

There we go. There we go. There we go. How do I? Yeah, so in far less consequential news, you know. This is, uh, this is happening somewhere. Far away where there's like two guys and a camel. No.

Holy shit. Things of this nature. It's fucking. Yeah, you want to talk about it being over. You want to talk about it being over. being over. It's, it's, uh, yeah, the, it's, it's happening. The thing is happening. Donald Trump has, has, has, like, started a war that the U.S. now can't get out of. Yeah, I can't, when I saw, like, smoke clouds coming out behind the big fucking mosque in Isfahan, it's over. It's done, folks.

Like, it's, I can't fucking believe that I am so fucking mad. I, I, Jesus Christ. This is, they don't even believe in Jesus Christ over that. He's just a prophet. Jesus Christ. It's the culmination of like years of stupidity unleashed by Trump assassinating Kassam Soleimani. Yeah. He turned out to be the Jenga block keeping this whole thing together.

And now that's, he's gone and now that the Maduro thing went well, Trump, I think, thought that he could do this and impose regime change by bombing, which is, you know, the fighted regime change via air superiority from the book. You can do regime change via air superiority. From the sort of 1920s manual of air policing, yeah, and now finds instead that he is, he is on Ali Larajani's timetable, you know, which is different than his. And Iran can, it seems, do a longer war than anybody is really prepared. for with the kind of baked in assumption that the US and Israel are just going to keep bombing

whatever the fuck they want, you know, kill hundreds of schoolchildren at a time or like blow up sort of like ancient architecture or anything even sort of tenuously of military value. And it doesn't matter because you still can't make insurance companies insure tankers going through the straits of hormones. I did like Trump saying, oh, it's fine now, and then somebody quote tweeted it from CNBC with just a picture of a tanker that had gotten trucked. Mm-hmm. I don't, you're just like, you feel so fucking ashamed.

Yes. Ashamed is the word. You, you, you, you, this is, this is it. It's very, it's, it's bad. It's, I don't even know what to say. It's it, but I hate it. I hate it so much. Yeah. Well, it's also, it's also like, this is, this is a sort of, a regime in the Islamic Republic, right, that was like shooting into crowds a few weeks before.

So this isn't to say anything in their defense, right? But unambiguously, the U.S. and Israel, the aggressors here, and they've put Iran in a position where any rational Iranian government would have no choice but to do exactly what they're doing now, which is to just hit everything. And I, you know, think that whatever sort of quagmire this results in is entirely of the US and Israel's making. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And they were fucking prepared too.

I mean, that's the other thing is, you know, I, it's not surprising how well prepared they were given what the intervening, you know, 15 years have looked like for Iran. But it is what has been surprising is the extent to which the United States has seemingly been caught on the back foot about all this. Like, for some reason, they were not expecting that Iran, would have a game plan in place and that they would be ready. I think they just figured that they would fold immediately, which doesn't make any fucking sense.

No, it doesn't. Just getting kind of like lured into it with the like 12-day war and with, it was even the wrong. So you're kind of like, NatSek blob people. Right. It was kind of this thing of like, well, Millennium Challenge is just like a meme, right? They can't actually do it.

There are a bunch of kind of false assumptions embedded in that, you know, and basically we're going to wipe them out, right? And, you know, nobody's contesting Iranian air. airspace, right? That's done, but it doesn't matter. And I think the kind of failure to apprehend that in advance is idiotic. I also think no one's going to learn anything about from this, even if it does a full like energy crisis. I mean, the one thing that I will say I am noticing as, you know, an American idiot who is constantly communicating with and being exposed to other American idiots, is that the whole, like, well, you know, not, I, I wouldn't, I don't like the,

the Ayatollah very much. And, you know, at the end of the day, these Iranians, they, they have problems that need to be dealt with. But Donald Trump is going about it the wrong way. Like, that that shit is not flying anymore. In the same way that there was this broad-based consensus that on Israel, Palestine, I was like, well, it's really pretty complicated, you know. And there's something about the approach that the U.S. Israel Alliance has taken toward all matters in the fucking Levant

over the past few years that has completely put the lie to all of those inanities that we've heard time and time and time again. Oh, sure. They don't give a fuck anymore. There's no, like the consent manufacturing is switched off. Because they don't even care. I mean, the approval

rating for this war is 41% which is the lowest, of any, I mean, Iraq was 75%. And I remember there were millions of us in the street protesting that. Yep. And, you know, I don't understand.

But the thing I don't understand, right? It's like, you guys war games for this, presumably in your somewhere in there, in the bowels of the Pentagon, I assume next to the Dunkin' Donuts. Extensively. Extensively. And, and yeah, I agree with Josh.

I think that it just seems like, oh, well, you know, well, they don't have air superiority. They don't fucking need air superiority. They can do asymmetrical warfare. right forever forever they can go on forever that's how asymmetrical warfare works ask the fucking soviets in afghanistan how it turned out for them or at the fucking americans right what's it's also like this idea that we're gonna police you know hundreds of miles of

coastline for us vs small boats fucking rocket launches whatever uh you know drone science man whatever the fuck, right? You're going to blow up every, like, truck in southern Iran. Yeah. And then your sort of upshot of this is you're going to keep doing that, and you're going to keep spending money and keeping forces deployed that you can't really afford to because you didn't really plan to until Lloyd's or, like, any other maritime insurer is like, yeah, sure, whatever, we'll sort of, like, get back in the sending sort of tankers through club and it's not it's a fantasy yeah okay i i want to say like two things i mean they're a little bit corny but you know the trump administration is already talking about or officials from the trump

administration have already been talking about yeah maybe we'll have to do a draft whatever if you are in the united states and you are under 26 see us right now to dodge the draft yes um i don't know, whatever you do, a great way to do it looks like to be, become trans. I don't know. Do whatever. Yeah, it's always, it's always good advice, I think, you know, I, I applaud the Trump administration's recognition that the lives of trans Americans are too precious to risking combat. Yeah, yeah, it's true, it's true. The other thing is, I know for a fact, a lot of you folks in the, you know, defense contracting industry or in the intelligence community, listen to this podcast, and I am talking to you right now, you can walk out. You don't have to have a duty to walk

out. Google fracking real quick for me. If given a gun, I will kill the and then you'll have to think that. Sorry, Devin. You don't have to walk out of this in such a way that you get arrested. You can. that is also true. Just walk out. You don't have to You can do the lib thing. And I have to admit, I think it is a relatively honorable thing to do, if sometimes hypocritical, to do the lip thing of like, I am straight up resigning and processed because

I think this is criminal, right? Like, you could do a lot worse. Most people do, in fact. Yeah. So, yeah, this is an option. Don't sort of, you know, allow yourself. to get sort of that cloak of irony where it's like, I'm doing sort of epic,

non-credible defense shit. And it's like, no, you're not. You're complicit in a terrible crime. A terrible crime, which is going to, like, harm your own country a great deal. The pain that you are feeling in your heart, that dissonance, that is your conscience. You should ignore.

Handsome gender this forrear probably as well. So you should probably like, yeah. Then two birds with one stone because you won't get drafted either, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So quit your job, start doing estrogen. I mean, work for me. I could have been a lawyer by now.

Can you imagine? Yeah, and you would have been a terrific one. Do what my dad did and simply let your draft card on fire. Do what I did. And what I think, Roz, did you, did you register as a CEO? Because I did. I did not because I don't think I had the option to do. I don't know if I ever registered for selection.

In order to get, in order to get federal, have some money, you have to have registered for the draft. It is a bonkers policy. Federal student aid. What's FAFSA? The federal student aid. Yeah. It's part of the application process.

Like, you have to submit your draft card alongside your student aid paperwork. It's crazy. Oh, that's such a holding blood-faced policy. I can tell you 100%. I never looked at a draft card in my entire life. That's my boy. I don't know.

I have no idea. Maybe they thought you were trans. I don't know. I have no idea. What you need to do is you need to go back and get a copy of a birth certificate and see if they didn't put an F on there by mistake, you know, and they just think like, oh, yeah. Justine Rossi. Yeah.

Easy Peezy. No, no, no. I know if I were, if I were born a woman, I would have been named Jessica. Oh. Yes. I don't like that. I don't like you as a Jessica. I'm not gonna lie to you.

I think you can identify however you want. This is an important thing for me to know. I am trying to cultivate the personality as the world's most civilian man, and this helps. What's a gun? I don't know. Yeah. Absolutely no camouflage, things of this nature. You're not meeting any grooming standard.

Oh, he's not. No, no. What you gotta do is you gotta get, this is another option if you don't want to become trans, get a bunch of like really disqualifying tattoos, you know? Oh, there you go. Yeah. Get like Nazi ones. No, no.

Progressive candidate for Senator Graham Platter. Have you seen Pete Higgsuth's tattoos? I have. Clearly they are not disqualifying any more. What I'm talking about is you get a comic sans fuck the army in like. So when you salute it just as fuck the army right there. Yeah. I mean, you're gonna have to add in like other branches so they can't put you anywhere else

as well because like the fuck the army guy is probably gonna do pretty well in like the Marines. Yeah, he's he's there. He's an OCS for the Navy. Fuck, fuck the United States uniformed core. It has to go all the down here. Yeah, it's the fucking bit from the Simpsons. I am sick and tired of all of these jokes about my giant hand. It's that, but it's on your entire arm.

Eat shit, Noah. Yeah, if you're in the, like, surgeon general's uniformed public health corps, frag your commanding officer and leave. Big tobacco is good, actually, another modern for the cause. Yeah, no, this is, it's, it's butchery and America is a terrible country. Let's not skip over Britain's complexity in this either, which has been weirdly halting, but still.

It's going to be funny to see how these takes age in two weeks. It's going to be, you know, it's going to be, you know, when this episode comes out, it's going to be interesting to say the least. I don't know. Hit Dubai again. I mean, the one other thing I will say is it's been very funny seeing all the people being like, well, Taco Trump is back up to his old tricks and he's chickening out. Well, guess what, dipshit?

It's not up to you if you're going to pull out anymore. We killed 100% by fucking kids, man. Penis stuck in Mousetrap. Please advise. Trump thought he could make this somebody else's problem. Doesn't work that way. Apparently not. Apparently not.

It didn't work this time. Yeah, he doesn't even know what he wants, you know? Because he's old and senile and, yeah. Well, yeah, he wants a nice ballroom attached to the... Go to bed and then, and you'll have to bleep this 32 minutes, 30 seconds in. What if I didn't? Sorry, not you, Rod. I love you.

And I'm, yeah, no, not you. You're handsome. But I agree with the idea of putting a nice ballroom next to the house. Can we, can we, can we, but real quick, before we move off this, can we salute the one true hero of this war, right? The ghost of Kuwait. Yes. That brave Gucci belted aviator locked in went ace combat mode and became three-fifths of an ace in

a minute. Now, granted, it's easier when they think that you're on their side, but we know better, don't we? Well, no one, no one paid for the friend of those two-ins-pomers. I guess. That's DLC. We didn't think we'd, you know, we spent all that time bombing paintings of fighter planes in Iran. We didn't think that they were, you know, anything was left.

consider, oh, it's one of our own. We live the dumbest, goddamn country on God's Green Earth. Yeah. Anyway, that was the goddamn news. How do I... You can do it. You can do your tab, and then you press the button, and then you all tab back. Oh, fucking damn it.

By the way, speaking of baseball, did you all see that Italy beat the United States at the World Baseball Classic? Aaron Judge, thanks for nothing, you big, dumb Yankees. sack of shit. That's classic Yankees behavior. Fuck the Yankees. Fuck the Yankees. Devise looking beautiful. My favorite thing about Roz is when

he does something that he finds funny, he gives this little giggle. It's the most endearing goddamn thing where he's like, he-h-h-he. I just love it. So, our first question we must ask, what is Detroit?

Rules. Robocop. Ford Motor Company, people mover. Renaissance Center. Weird Pizza. Renaissance Center. Great pizza. Weirdly.

Being largely owned by one guy. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Pony dogs. Eminem. Yes.

The lions. The tigers. D12. The pistons. The Redwinks. Insane clown posse. Omni consumer products. Gross point blank.

Oh. Hell yeah. What else? The campus marshes. Yes. That stupid journey song. Don't stop believing. I hate that fucking song.

Christler. There's no midnight train going anywhere from Detroit anymore. No. In South Detroit doesn't exist. Famously, they were talking about a radio station that played their single in Southfield, Michigan, which ironically is actually northwest of Detroit. But they didn't know that. Well, South Detroit.

Yes, X Human Revolution. That's right. David Serif, Adam Jensen, Farita Malick. That's my go. I love her. Yeah, Detroit is a great American city. We all live. The Arsenal of Democracy.

Yes. Yes. Also, the pistons play there. Across from Detroit is a rival city. Are we going to put the Canadians? Because I'm ready. What is Windsor? Sucks.

It looks bad. The Caesar's Casino. Yeah, that's it. Richie Haughton. Bootlegging. Being named for a family of pedophiles. Yes. Oh, yes.

Richie Haughton again. I'm going with bootlegging a second time. That shitty Canadian whiskey I once made Roz take a shout of. She's a Canadian whiskey, but I repeat myself. Yeah, I will back him up. I know more about whiskey than you do, you fucking dwebs at the comments. I have a drinking call. I'm in the mock conny alliance of medium powers and I have to pretend to like Canadian club.

The other side of the bridge that we are talking about as part of this episode. That's what Windsor is. Yeah, I actually have no fucking idea what happens in Windsor. Windsor is like a complete, like. It's mostly the casino. I just know it's there. It exists. Canada's Las Vegas.

Yeah. Well, hold on. There's also Niagara Falls, Ontario. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a Ripley's believe it or not there in a Hershey Shocker world. That's right. And, uh...

Nice microclimate. Yeah. And, uh, I like Niagara on the lake. That's right. That's nice. I like guys wide. You go up there, you might, you might find a wild Riley Quinn running around potentially. It's possible.

The Shaw Festival is also up there at Niagara. on the leg, very nice. I like that Niagara on the lake is so essentially Riley a place to be from that we're still doing bits about it even his absence. Like, when I'm not on, you guys aren't doing like bits about Bromley. And I'm glad, you know, because it doesn't have a kind of cultural. What is a Bromley? Bromley is the suburb, uh, exurb really of southeastern London where I am from.

It is the only borough of London to have no tube stations. You can only get into it or out of it by rail or bus. And it sucks dick. It's a real bad place. You grew up, that's why we started this podcast, November. You grew up in London's Burke, Virginia. Yeah.

Yeah. The novel, the Buddha of Suburbia is set there. It's very boring. It's very leafy. For a while, it was the safest conservative seat in the country. Yeah. I'm going to make a Bromley joke

in next week's the worst of all possible world. It's just for you. Just go ahead. like Google image Bromley High Street and just feel yourself age five years. Bromley High Street.

You want to do some shopping experience, you know, all of the kind of luxury of living in London. Like global city, like world financial center, incredibly glamorous place. Looks like you got a Gregs. Looks like you got a Pizza Hut. Yeah, yeah. I could say that covers most of

it. You know. Place it looks like it's got kind of dry rot. Ross, you're getting a phone call. Yes, I am and it's from June. Tell her you can't hang out. Put her on. We're recording a podcast. Yeah, answer the phone all the podcast.

That's right. I know. I forgot that daylight savings time exists, so we're podcasting. I'm sorry. Please tell June. I'm sorry. Say hi to June for me. Say hi to June for me.

June says hi. Hi. Hi, June. Great. Okay, amazing. We're doing great. We're doing great on this podcast today. I, my, uh, the 10,000 losses bit, one of the favorite things we do is, uh, research live on air. We're just like, yeah, I don't know. And then you can hear me, me and Tom just like slam it away on the keyboard. And I was talking to Tom the other day. He was like, so when we, we met a fan shout out Joshua.

Thank you. Not you at a, at a hyperpass. And he was like, yeah, you guys seem to be like really well researched and the process. And Tom goes, I have seen the process. I have been screaming at Ross 15 minutes to go before the slides are in. Just trying to get this shit to paper. And I'm like, yeah, it's, yeah,

yeah. I want to peel back the curtain a little bit. So anyway, that's what Windsor, Ontario is. Yeah. What's how much a handle of Windsor Canadian whiskey is. Now, and these cities,

are across from each other. How do they get the, how do they get the rivets to do that? Very carefully. Oh, God. Pretty cool. The fucking lakes are amazing. You know,

you know what the weird thing about them is? Is that in 100,000 years, they will fill up and we won't have them anymore. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. That's something to think about in the future. Yeah,

but anyway. I'll worry about that in 100,000 years when they have preserved my body. and what's that called? When you freeze your head? No. Cryogenics? Cryogenic.

Yeah, baby. All right, love you. I like that in Windsor, there's a McDonald's in sandwich that pleases me. Bye. So, yeah, there's no South Detroit because, of course, that's Windsor. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

That's where Detroit is this exciting place where you get. to go south to go to Canada. It's the only place in the entire United States where you can go south to go to Canada. And anyway, lots of people want to go to Canada. Oh, I have seen this image. This image is actually burned into my brain from Roz's, for our both, well, one ill-fated trip to Newfoundland and then one that actually went successfully. I posted this image every single time on social media when we went to Canada.

I know. Doing the kind of like liberalism bicycle cartoon, but it's like, yeah, the two great powers working equally as they should, the United States and Britain. Yes. We're going to create this amazing country. It's called Canada. I just want to point out that Uncle Sam is not representative of the average American. We are much tubbier than that.

Yeah. I like the, I like the British fellow, though. I like, I like John Bull. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That is John Bull, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That's our hideous sort of Tory landowner caricature. You got John Bull and Uncle Sam and they're both carrying some sacks of cash. One of those sacks contains pounds, the other sack contains dollars. I'm assuming at least 200 of them, but I wouldn't know. No, no, you wouldn't.

Suss to be ill. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna make Nova come to Canada to get those dollars. I would love to go to Canada. Also, I appreciate that, and sort of, you know, nod to local traditional. they're carrying this money on what appears to be a kind of toboggan or incipient future toboggan. Yeah. We're going to do the Iditarod, lads.

So now we must ask what is, okay. So there was a railroad that was chartered to build from Toronto to Chicago by way of Windsor and was thus called the Michigan Central. in that it sort of is central to cutting Michigan out of the thing. Yes. Well, it does go through Michigan, right? There's actually several lines through there. The Michigan Central is sort of, okay, we have to understand the New York Central Railroad,

which was an amalgamation of. I don't want to either, but we have to. I want to. I want to. No, no. Congrats on having yourself as a green hat on a podcast array. So, while we're recording this, it is Jay Sante's birthday. So happy birthday.

He's a green hat, yeah. I know he is. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Anyway, so this is sort of, this is a railroad. I believe it is chartered separately, but it very quickly becomes part of the New York central system of railroads, right? But essentially you have the water level route from New York City to Chicago, right?

Most trains are going to go north along the Hudson and then west along the Erie Canal sort of route, done on the south side of Lake Erie, and then over the flat over there. But there is also the Michigan Central route, which, goes through Toronto, or goes near Toronto, excuse me, and then goes through Detroit, right, and then over to Chicago. So you have, you're hitting more important destinations in that sense. I like being sort of approximately in Toronto, like probabilistically or in Toronto. Yeah, yeah, you're sort of like, you're in Hamilton, like it's, yeah, you're basically in Toronto, right?

Anyway, you know, you don't like it, build your own goddamn railroad. Exactly. Several people did. But for this railroad crossing the Detroit River was difficult because no one figured out how to lay railroad tracks directly on water until Washington State Department of Transportation did it like last year, right? And of course, railroad Jesus. Yes. Well, yeah. But that goes without saying. I don't know why even like we, that was table stakes. We all knew that. So you're sort of your navigation interest, the shipping companies, the shipping company is by means of, well, it's the Great Lakes. So they ship on boats, obviously. They are not super happy with the idea of putting a bridge between Windsor and Detroit, which is where this railroad would cross, right? The railroads wanted to put in a drawbridge, which is even worse because the shipping companies were like, we don't even want a single pier in the river.

It's going to fuck up our ships. The crazy thing, too, is they had like agreed on it, at least in principle for a little while that they were going to build the drawbridge because they had seen the draw bridges over the Chicago River, which I should note is a much narrower river than the Detroit River. when you're in downtown Chicago. But they had seen it and they were like, oh, well, it worked in Chicago. Why couldn't it work here too? Yeah, and there was a weird proposal, which was the winter bridge where they would just sort of

float in a 400 or 500 foot segment of bridge in the winter when there was no shipping. Oh, damn. You know, but ultimately the specifications for the bridge, this is in the 1880s, I want to say. We're so prohibitive that no one could figure out how to build one except for an insane man named Gustav Lindenthal, who we've talked about before on this podcast, right?

In relation to what? You know the enormous bridge to what would have been Penn Station? Yes. It's that guy. You know the Hellgate Bridge? It's that guy. The Queensborough Bridge. It's that guy.

He has never seen a bridge that he didn't want to make bigger and more rigid. This is really... How yeah. This is my guy right here. Embrace Lyndenthal thoughts.

And he wrote, this is the guy who you said designed the 59th Street Bridge and the Hellgate Bridge. Yes. Huh. Or I guess the Hellgate, as it's called. It's actually not technically the Hellgate Bridge, just the Hellgate.

Oh, no. The Hellgate is some Dutch bullshit that the East River was called at some point. Anyway, I don't know that offhand. Anyway, I might be wrong there. Anyway, Lyndenthal approaches like every engineering challenge as a child might. So just be with my crayons? Yeah, it's like, I'm going to make the biggest. I'm going to make the widest bridge.

I'm going to make the biggest bridge. I'm going to be the most rigid bridge. Lindenthal comes up with 150 foot tall, insane Tress Bridge for this location. Oh, yeah. Just something completely bizarre. I don't have an image of them because I didn't have enough time to look for it. I don't know if any images are. Just some real, like, Palace of the Soviets type shit.

Yeah, something that was actually probably doable with the technology of the time. but would have been very difficult. And so he proposed this for the Michigan Central Railroad. They got mad at them and said, no, we can't do that. So they decided to instead maybe try and build a tunnel, which didn't work very well. As this is Josh's slide. Yeah, so as Roz was kind of saying, right, they really wanted to be able to move freight transnationally for a lot of reasons, including that, you know, they had these railroads that were basically terminating on either end of the river.

And the only good way to get cargo across was to take those box cars, drop them onto ferries, and then float the ferries across the river, right? Incredible. But, you know, in Michigan, in the winter, you just straight up can't do that for like, flyers. or four months, or at least that's how it was 150 years ago. These days, you can do it with more ease, relatively speaking, because it just doesn't freeze over in the way that it used to. Hmm, I wonder if that's to do with anything. Nah, no, it's chill.

Don't worry about it. Also, it wasn't like the Trans-Siberian Railroad where in Air Putsk, they would just run the rails across Lake Baikal in winter. Right. Yeah, we don't give a fuck. Look, I think a train only felt. through the ice once. Yeah, that's a pretty damn good safety record, consider it.

Service delayed due to seals on the line. Yes. Can you get, get, get, hey. No free, get. So the first attempt to build a tunnel then was actually in 1871. And this is a story that I thought was so wonderful that I wanted to quote directly from the book, which I think, Roz, I think we both read the same book on this one. We both read the same book, yes.

This is called the Ambassador Bridge, a monument to progress by Philip P. Jason. Work on the tunnels proceeded slowly. Relatively crude tools impeded progress. Steel tunnel shields, powerful ventilating equipment, and efficient excavating equipment apparatus so common in 20th century engineering products had not yet been developed. Labor disputes erupted when Canadian workers went on strike over payment of wages in American money, which at that time was worth considerably less than Canadian currency. I could never imagine that happen. I know. No. It's like, what the fuck is this like cheap American shit? I demand loonies.

I need them. The workers finally settled for 25 cents more a day, amounting to $2.50 for an eight-hour shift. Inadequate soil information also caused problems. Instead of the blue clay predicted, the workers hit hard pan and huge boulders on both sides of the river. Sulfuris gases plagued the laborers causing discomfort and frequent work stoppages. 1180 feet of the tunnel from the American shore had been excavated when the ventilating equipment

failed in 1872. Before the huge fans were repaired, two workers inspecting a reported leak in the tunnel face were overcome by poisonous gases and died before they could be rescued. After the accident, workers continued to excavate an additional 40 feet before the work was abandoned. Although work on the Canadian side continued for a few weeks thereafter, it too was abandoned when the contractors asked to be relieved of further obligations. Tannels haunted. The excavation.

Loading boring machine, Tammels haunted. And then this is my favorite bit. The excavation had extended only 380 feet from the Canadian shore. That's not very good, is it? Not very good at all. One of the things is, if you look at the length here,

they actually got pretty close before they gave up. Right. Mostly because of how far it went on the American side. Like, guy mining diamonds meme. Yes. Just giving up. Except that rather than diamonds, it is just... It's another guy.

It's another guy. It's two of those guys just walking away sadly, pickaxe over shoulder. That and a ventful of sulfuric gas, right? It's those two things. That tunnel is probably still there, you know? Yeah, they will be. So this, again, was one of the things that led to them studying the feasibility of a bridge.

It failed. the Michigan Central Railroad basically was just like, okay, fuck it, we're doing it. And in 1906, they dug these really deep trenches into the river and then dumped concrete tubes down into it, stuck the concrete tubes together and called it a tunnel. And that tunnel was completed in 1909, opened in 1910, and it's actually still in operation today.

And it's owned by Canadian Pacific Kansas City, which owns basically that entire stretch of the line. Yeah, and this is sort of a sort of, an interesting one of a construction method, which is often described as very modern today, like immersed tube construction. It's like, oh, we just build a trench in the bottom of the river and we sink prefabricated tunnel sections in there. And, you know, you're like, damn, that's really clever.

I'm glad we have modern technology. No, they did it in 1906. Or 1909, excuse me. It's also how like the Baltimore tunnel was, Baltimore Harbor Tunnel was done as well as the, what's it? The tunnel that replaced the Queensboro Bridge for subways. Oh, yeah. Oh, interesting. Hang in there, Nova.

It works. Yeah. I've been up for how many hours is it since two in the morning? 20 and a half. Oh, that's a good chunk. Jesus, drop if you need to. Yeah. No, I wouldn't do that to the listener.

I've been missing too many of these lately. I don't want people to think I've lost interest just because my life is falling apart. You missed one. I have, I have, okay, it's called a work ethic and it's driving me... That's up Protestant to me! Oh, God, okay, sorry, sorry.

I were supposed to kill white Protestants. What's going on? Yeah, I said, unlimited genocide against white Protestants. Not an hour ago. I know I have a Catholic work ethic which is that I don't work very hard but I feel extremely guilty about it there you go

that girl so we have to talk about Charles Evan Foster's extremely weird bridge incredible so this is this is sort of this is after the first tunnel is Doug right

the first railroad tunnel now give me give me two cathedral uprights, the strings off a piano, and a whole bunch of megalopolis. Yeah, this bad boys is like halfway between the Manhattan Bridge and Tower Bridge, I feel like, aesthetically. Yeah, so Fowler is working with Gustav Lindenthal again. Have you been texting Gustav?

Have you been texting Gustav? Gustav Lindenthal had, by this time, almost built the North River Bridge. but also quite a few other huge stupid bridges. As I mentioned before, the Queensborough and the Hellgate Bridge. The Hellgate Bridge was just finishing up construction at this point, right? This is 1919. He and Fowler show up in Detroit, like we're going to get things done, right? There was clearly a demand for a road bridge.

They were going to design one, figure out how it could get funded and build later. Gustav had this big legacy. He had actually built quite a few bridges. Fowler had also worked on various bridges before, including one I will show here. But you'll see how there's a different design philosophy here on the White Pass in Yukon Railroad, right? Look at this stupid thing.

Oh, dear. Don't look down. A little bit spindly, isn't it? This is concerning to me. How much do you trust an engineer who is doing all of these calculations by hand? Is that thing still around? I have seen it with mine own two eyes. Wow.

This is up in Alaska. How has this survived the test of time when the city of Glasgow hasn't? You may have noticed the railroad bypasses it now. Oh. Yeah, that'll do it. Well, I mean, also true of Glasgow. Yeah, that's true, yeah. So a little bit different philosophies here.

That being said, Lindenthal obviously wants this huge, horrible trust thing like his 1889 design. I want to see what that was. Yeah, no kind of. Fowler wanted something a little lighter and a little more reasonable. These disagreements festered.

And eventually, as a result, Lindenthal withdrew from the project. Yeah, he's right to do it. As a negotiating tactic, demand the impossible storm out when you don't get it. That's right. Burn that from Robert Moses. Yes. Burn that bridge.

Here's the thing. Fowler's design is more reasonable than Lindenthals, but still very aggressive. Well, this is also kind of useful to have an outrighter, you know, is like, you think I'm crazy. You should see my friend. You should see that other guy, yeah. Yeah. This is going to be a two-level railroad and road.

bridge with six lanes of traffic on top, four standard gauge railroad tracks below, fitted for electric operation, telephone and telegraph wires, plumbing, etc. Two trolley lines on the upper deck. Long, very, very, very long approach spans with grades not exceeding 1.5%, which was a little steep for the railroad, obviously fine for cars and peers, which interfered minimally with shipping. This would have nearly spanned the entire river clear. It's actually, God damn. Yeah. It's a bit like the bridge that actually got built, but heavy.

Sure. Right? This is the light option. I want to see what Lindenthal thought was the option to do. I'm sure it was like 16 tracks, 40 lanes of traffic. Anyway. I call this one the big motherfucker. It closed the whole river.

So Fowler's starting. the American Transit Company and the Canadian Transit Company to build a bridge, the American transit company in particular, you know, it's going to build a bridge between Michigan and Ontario and was thus incorporated in Nevada. Yeah. Classic way to do it. Great tax savings. Yeah.

Good place to put a bridge, you know? They've got London Bridge there. Oh, that's a good point. No, that's in Utah, isn't it? Or isn't it? No, it's in Nevada. Oh. It's in, I forget what the city is.

in Lake Havasu. Yes. That's Arizona. Arizona. God damn. All these places are the same. All these places are the same. Man was not

meant to live in Nevada slash Arizona. No. Phoenix should not exist. It is a testament to man's arrogance. Yeah. Almost melted onto the sidewalk one time there. So Fowler just needs

investors now. So the first person he goes to, the first people he goes to, the first people he goes to is the railroads. They fucking hated it. They would not invest in this bridge. They thought it was stupid. Also, like, they already had a pretty reliable tunnel.

So, like... They had the tunnel, yeah. And they had also the advantage of the railroads is, well, freight doesn't complain. Right. Right. You know, I just go around Lake Erie if you really need to. Wee.

So he drives. dropped the railroad deck from the design. So he started, like, say, we need to get the support of local business interests, right? So he hired a highly efficient salesman named Russell T. Scott, right? And he's this sort of hard-selling, you know, New York salesman type guy. Right? Hey, I got a bridge I can sell you. Hey, you'll be walking here.

Half Donald Trump, half the Simpsons monorail guy. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, Professor Harold Hill. Hopefully without a clan membership. Ever since I was a kid, I knew I wanted to be a bridge between the U.S. and Canada. And he went around Detroit, talking to all the, you know, the wheelers and dealers, the, you know, the various highfalutin, you know, rich folk, right? The monkey mucks.

Yeah, he gave them all a real hard sell. And he just pissed them off. He just made them all mad at him. That sounds right. I mean, speaking as somebody who, like, grew up in Michigan, has spent my entire adult life in New York and, like, goes back every so often. Just from that experience alone, when I go into, like, a bar that's in Michigan, people ask me where I'm from.

And that's just from being, like, half shifted to the cold. You come in as like a real New Yorker into a Michigan establishment and you start wheeling dealing. People don't cotton well to that shit. Yeah. No, this is important. Putting you in a barrel and throwing you over Niagara Falls. That's right. Yeah.

So Scott raised in the end $400,000, almost no money whatsoever for this. I believe it was going to be a $12 million bridge. That's more than $200. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, give me $400,000. All the locals just being like, can we just put this guy on a raft and push him out into Lake St. Clearfow dot me forward slash, I think it's still Avazandum, send me $400,000.

No, no, no. There might be some tax implications there. There are some tax implications there. I would really like one of the Olympus micro four thirds cameras in sand beige. So, you know. Scott went in the process of raising this money. He went personally bankrupt. Never, never let yourself as the deals guy make the deals money your money, you know?

Yeah. Never work on commission. That's right. It's like in theater, never put your own money in the show, right? He fled to Chicago where he took up a life of crime. Sweet. Yes. This life of crime was short-lived,

and he was involved in a botched robbery, wherein he killed a drugstore clerk, was arrested and then committed so in prison. Oh, my God. Oh, we got to believe that. Just, in front of, he unalived himself in prison. Sewer slide. I'm, I'm, I'm starting a new conspiracy theory.

Russell T. Scott didn't kill himself. The tapes were blacked out during that period, you know? It was sort of the wax cylinder was all mushy right there. I know it's just sort of an artifact of describing it this briskly, but it is very funny to imagine that in the 19th century, people wore their lives so lightly that it's like, now it's time for me to do a life of crime, do the robbery, botch the robbery,

kill the guy, go to prison, kill itself in prison, Dund-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Like, you know, everybody's in the kind of fast motion from old movies. Hey. This guy died. I got to go to jail. It's time to kill myself. See? You see?

It sounds like you got a bad case of lead poisoning. Doing the Buster Keaton bit where you dive off the highway into the sort of like through the pool into China, but instead of China, it's prison. Keep lead poisoning in your mind. Anyway. So. Okay. I try not to. Ideally, I'd prefer not to actually.

I'm keylating shit all the time. So the bridge didn't get built. You can see some similarities in the bridge design with what they did eventually build. I just find this structurally very interesting is that you have a single, you know, you have a pier for the suspension bridge. You have another pier for the suspension bridge. You have the normal suspension cables with the normal hangers, you know, the whole way across the river. And then unlike most suspension bridges, they were like, nah, fuck it. Build a regular bridge from the rest of the way.

You just have the suspension cables with no hangers whatsoever. I, no one else built something like this, except like I think the men I straights bridge. is like this, but it's maybe the wheeling suspension bridge to. Anyway, it's weird and old fashioned as well as being huge. So they call me. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway.

Listen, I'm the quickest on the draw for the self-deprecation. You can't beat me. Oh, I know. That's okay. So other things are happening in the Detroit area? Yeah, Detroit's about to kill the planet. That's right. What is it?

What's that quote you like, Russ? God made man. Samuel Colt made them equal. Henry Ford made them all bastards. Yes. Through the Model T. Ford made people want to get, want to get, want to get up and go. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 22, 23 miles. The county seat.

And it changed the territory. 6.7. We ruined. We are living. We have all sort of on a long enough time, like, been run over by a Ford Model T. Absolutely. Yeah. The Ford Model T is, you know, obviously Henry Ford's product.

It's very complex as consumer goods go. You know, you're selling this insane machine to everyone. It has very high profit margins, especially if you're setting up this crazy production line for them. And you convince everyone to buy them. Henry Ford becomes extremely wealthy. And so did Detroit, right? Yeah. And this meant a Detroit-Windsor Bridge seemed more likely to be financed

if there was just some more money floating around, right? You could drive your Model T over it. Exactly. And pay it totally for the privilege. You could do that as well, yeah. And not have the decency to blow your f***s out on radio. You could bliped out, I guess. I fucking hate it.

Henry Ford. I mean, you and I have that in common. And the way, I will say, it's like, again, somebody who grew up in Michigan, the way that the fucking Henry Ford Museum and all of the other shit that is like a tribute to his legacy, just whitewashes his long and storied history of anti-Semitism makes me fucking sick. Well, I mean, that was another feature of the Ford Model T is that there was one lever that just set cruise control at 45 miles an hour, so you could read the Dearborn, Dearborn driving. Dearport.

Ford Model T in traffic. AKA 80 to 85% of our followers, frankly. Ford Model T in traffic with an I bought this before he went crazy bumper sticker. Honestly, though, yeah. Yeah. I. So we need another guy. Wait a second

Wait a second That's not another guy That's two other guys That's two other guys You lied to me One of them throwing Correspondence shoes Sick

So you got Joseph Bauer And you got James Austin Right James Austin Is a Detroit guy Right And he is A lead paint magnate

Oh no Hell yeah Yeah. He's trying to save the bridge project, right? He hires just the guy to do it. Another salesman, Joseph Bauer, who works for J.P. Morgan and company, right? He's a big New York City finance type, again. He has his reputation for saving bankrupt businesses, right? He revives the project. He drops the railroad deck and the provisions for such. Into the river or metaphorically? No, no.

The bridge hasn't been built yet. God damn it. He would have been pretty cool if he did it in real life though. No, that would have been pretty funny. Watch this. Hague in there, November. Conceptually, the bridge is still quite similar, right? He does all the wheeling and dealing to make the bridge happen.

the automotive interests are all of a sudden happy to help because again, Model T Ford's out, everyone's got a lot of money, right? You want to have people driving cars, right? And at this point, Ford had built, you know, the Model A-A truck, right? So it actually- Ford kills the planet part two. Yes, yeah, no, the model A-A is probably as significant as the Model T. because suddenly you could ship stuff by truck.

It was no longer like a crazy thing like it was before where it was like, well, this truck is only marginally better than a horse and cart. So what you're telling me is you could maybe take that truck and use it to ship durable goods over a bridge. Yes. Imagine that. Yeah.

Yeah, and by this time the automotive industry was quickly becoming very transnational, right? Right? You know, you could, you could go make some stuff to Canada. Yes. I'm sorry Victoria isn't here for this one. What kind of hormones do you need for that? To become the Ford Motor Company? I don't.

Oh, just whatever. Well, I guess just a healthy dose of anti-semitism and bad cars. I remember my mom's 94 Ford Escort that she got after the, that she was in an accident. And that's why my family switched back to Subaru, because the Ford Escort was a garbage car for garbage people. I hope every single one of them burns, uh, if you drive a Ford, unless it's a GT, which you should give to me immediately. Fuck you. Okay. So you want the Ford Gt, uh, I want $400,000. I want $200 from November Kelly specific. I think you're, okay, listen, right? I'll make you, I'll make you a second deal. Listen, right? I'm listening. If someone gives me,

$400,000, okay. On God, swear that I will give you $200,000. Okay. I mean, look, That day, even. Oh, wow. So really, in many ways, like, you should be as invested in me getting the $400,000 because, like, now you're, like, on commission functionally, you know? I don't think that's how that works. I think it is. I think it is.

And I think this means that basically you should be doing everything in your power to encourage people to give me $400,000. Okay. I'll think about it. I'll think about it. Okay. Okay. No promises.

So Joseph Bauer hires the steel firm McClintic Marshall of Pittsburgh to study and revise Fowler's design for the roadway only bridge they come back and say this bridge is going to cost $12 million.

Oh boy. That's in like old time. Yeah. How much money is money? How much money is that? Like, do you have a sense if you adjust this? that? What's $12 million in 1920 or so?

Inflation calculator. Let's see here. All right. I've got one that goes all the way back to 19151,25, $151,200. Okay, $200 million. That's a steal. I said $12 million. Yeah. We'll call it $200 million. Yeah. I mean, for a bridge now that actually is pretty cheap. Yeah. It's $12 million. God. nevertheless, they proceed. They start raising money under the auspices of the new Detroit International Bridge Company. They start hiring more contractors and subcontractors to make this thing happen. Now, McClintick Marshall is a steel fabricator and is, of course, interested in

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So who do you call when you have a fucked up bridge design that needs to be fixed? Ghostbusters? I was going to say, I don't know. What do you call? Yeah, we'll go with Ghostbusters. That's funny the mind-fucket-so. No, no, it's Ralph. You call Ralph Majetsky.

You just call Ralph? The angriest Polish man in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Stanced up here, a bit like that one photo of Theodore Herzl. Yeah. Just imagining a sort of like bridge homeland? He, well, yeah, it's, yeah.

I mean, that's just what I call Pittsburgh is the bridge homeland. Oh, that's a good point, yeah. No, the Poles, the Poles build bridges, the Norwegians build tunnels. Anyway, so. Ancient proverb. Ralph Majets, no, this is actually a, we'd have to do that in a different episode. Anyway, so Ralph Bajetsky is one of our great, greatest Polish Americans, right? He's up there with Casimir Pulaski, uh, Gronk, uh, Norm

McDonald, Grogok. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, he- For a second in the notes, I thought you said Grogh, and we're claiming GROC as a sort of Polish American excellence. No, gronk. Um, I may be similar morally. I don't know. Similar intellectually. And I love Rob Gronkowski, but that man, that man's brain is just one,

standard NFL the Duke football. Yeah. Norman Finkelstein. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah, he's Polish. I didn't know that. Unproblematic fave,

Norman Finkelstein. Yeah, exactly. And Richard the Iceman Kuklinski. You want to talk about unproblematic fames. Excellence in Mop studies. Yes. Ross, are you Polish? Yes.

Okay, well, then you've got to put yourself on that list. You're also one of those Polish Americans. Yeah, hell, yeah. Listen, listen, listen, I, I, I'm not going to put myself on that list for the same reason that, what's his face? Bauer didn't put his name on the Ambassador Bridge. He didn't think it was appropriate. So Ralph Bajetsky is the guy you called when your bridge was all fucked up, right?

He is most famous for coming in and fixing the Quebec Bridge when the center spans. Hell in the river, right? And he was like, I can fix that. Right? He does other notable projects in the same era, right? Here's the Toconi-Palmyra Bridge. That was one of his. Oh, where is that?

That is in Philadelphia. It's in-Filadelphia. It's in Ticconi. The other's half as in Palmyra. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Okay. I feel like I've had seven or eight beers, but also I'm alarmingly sober.

I feel like I've had seven or eight beers and like a sexy coffee with each one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I assume you are just like well into delirium at this point. And we're gonna have to put you down like old yellow. I'm thinking, I'm seeing the millipedes, you know? Like I'm gonna get a visit for the hat man soon. All right, we're doing great. Doork, Nova, we've only got, oh, 18 more slides to go.

I say that. It's just a one millipede, actually. And he's just kind of chill. 25 slides to go. I just don't. assumed the Milopeets pronouns, you know. And really, I never thought to ask. So, you know. The Milipede's actually they, them who is willing to go in whatever direction, actually. It's in any pronoun Milipede, so you're fine. Yeah.

Here's, here's a fun thing about the Taconi Palmyra bridge. No boy. When I was in engineering 101 at Drexel, they brought us out on a bus onto this bridge. This is a left you there to fix it. No, this is a draw span right here. Yep. Um, and And they opened the draw span for us. Oh, that's sick. So we could see. Right. And then there's, because this is so well balanced, right, with counterweights and all,

there's actually a hand crank back here. And you can manually crank the bridge up or down. Did they let you crank the bridge? Yes. Oh, sick. You have a little like posthumous achievement now. God is going to like dab you up. I'm trying to

cranked off a bridge. I'm trying to get to a cranked that soldier boy joke and I can't get there. I just wanted to let you know that I was marinating on that one. Crank that polter boy? Crank that polter boy? Okay. Sure. Yeah. Craig that Polger boy. Mm-hmm. Yep.

10 out of 10. Let's go. Yeah. I'm just throwing bricks at this point. Just a white girl backgrubing a bunch of 20 footers. Yep. So he designed the Benjamin Franklin Bridge. He designed, here's the Henry Avenue Bridge. That's also in Philadelphia.

Down here is... Named for the late Henry Avenue. Yes. There's a subway tunnel in here that was never used. That was like supposed to be for SEPTA? Yes, that was supposed to be for a Broad Street Line extension up to Manny Oaks. Contrastine. Yeah.

That we never got because thanks for nothing, you motherfuckers. Yeah. Yeah, I blame all problems on Shirember. Park or whose fault this is. Yeah, exactly. And then, of course, down here is the Huey Long Bridge. Oh, yeah, wheeling and Dealing, Hughie Long, number one.

Hamedous and hideous and fucking hilarious, hilarious corruption. I think people could get mad and be like, actually Huey Long was a bastard. I don't care. So, yeah, his big thing, though, these are all the original stuff except the Quebec Bridge. He did a lot of you know, taking someone else's

fucked up design and making it work. So this price fix. This guy is good at bridges is what I'm hearing. He's really good at bridges. One time I got to handle drawings with his actual signature on it. I was in awe. Second posthumous God-dapping-up moment. Yeah.

Would you say that in that moment you were cranking that polejabold your boy? That just sounds erotic. Arrhotic, if you will. So in the case of the Ambassador Bridge, That's what he did. His firm was not engineer of record, but identified a lot of places where the metallurgy could be improved and reduced the amount of steel needed. Doing a kind of like engineering A-team?

Pretty much. If you can find him, maybe you can hire Ralph Majeski. Ralph Majesky. You could reduce the amount of steel needed. You could reduce the size of like the stiffening trusses, things like that, so on and so forth. He didn't design the bridge, but he kind of designed the bridge, right? Which was bad news from McClintic Marshall because it was going to now come in under budget. But good news for them ahead of schedule, right?

Because they had a contract with Bauer that, okay, if you complete the bridge early, you're going to get a portion of the toll revenue. Oh, yeah. So long story short here, they build the damn thing, right? And there's some stiff competition while this is being built because another engineering firm that eventually became Parsons Brinkerhoff and now WSP were building the Detroit Windsor Tunnel. But that turned out to be a less practical alternative if you wanted to foot trucks. over it. Right. And that's, that's, I should say, too, the Detroit Windsor Tunnel. That is a passenger road tunnel that is still widely used by, by passenger vehicles because it is right in the

fucking heart of downtown Detroit and downtown Windsor. Yeah, it's like right there. There used to be like a, you used to be able to take a nice bus through the tunnel. You know, there was like a, they ran pretty frequently. I guess that got canceled recently. Oh, I don't know. Because of Trump stuff. Sure. Yeah. You know, even back then there's folks worrying about the visual impact of the bridge. Shut up. The navigation interest, we're all still really mad at it, but they do it.

They just do it. They built the damn bridge. It's beautiful. The problem with doing that on the Niagara is that the M in Nimbly stands for microclimate. Yes. Blau. Thank you. Yeah.

Thank you. I'm locked in. Actually, there's a different bridge up there, actually, closer to Niagara. But this, I love this bridge. I really do. I just love the way it looks. I really like it, too. It's a pretty bridge. It's a really good bridge. I love the signs. Yeah, signs really good. I like when things announce themselves in public engineering, you know? This is a printing office. Yes.

It's sort of like, and I miss it, you know, the in downtown Brooklyn, the really big building that used to be owned by the Jehovah's Witnesses that just said, uh, watchtower on the top of it in big red letters, but then it got sold to a real estate firm and they changed it. And now it just says, welcome. Oh, that fucking sucks. Terrible. No. No.

Soon to have the like cult, you know. Yeah. Uh, give me the kind of Gotham vibes. Because it was so fucking ominous too, especially on foggy days, you would see just the word watchtower rising up out of the fog and be like, what the fuck is that? Yes.

So what we get out of this is a kind of weird suspension bridge because again, no hangers on the approach spans. It has an 1,750-foot main span that sort of eaks out a hundred and a hundred, feet on its nearest rival at that point, the Benjamin Franklin Bridge, to become the longest suspension bridge in the world. No, it doesn't.

Nope. It's a priority. It actually was. Nope. No. Wrong. You're gonna interrupt a full Clarkson of the longest suspension bridge in the world. In the world.

In the world. This is probably a little bit bit bittersweet for Ralph because he had now a essentially designed the longest suspension bridge in the world, but was an engineer of record on it. Oh, this is the problem you get with being a hired gun, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Also considering his previous suspension bridge was the longest suspension bridge in the world.

In the world. It opens on November 6th, 1929, nine months ahead of schedule. November 6th of 1929 is like, you've been wiped out of out on the stock market. But hey, new bridge. New bridge. Yeah, exactly. And prohibitions here, so you can go across the winter and just... That's right. You can go drive on it. Get fucked up. Get absolutely hammered and then drive back home drunk and classic Detroit fashion. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's not even... It was like, oh, well, I didn't consume the alcohol in the United States. I'm fine. You can, you can sort of see this is the old Detroit entrance plaza here.

right you know this is sort of an old-fashioned type of bridge where you know um it it's designed a little bit more for local traffic yeah you just kind of like bop down the road pop into the plaza and head across the bridge you know this is you can see this on the map this is well before there were any expressways or anything like that encircling Detroit we're going to get to that in a little bit but there's no there's no freeway there but one thing we love to do in america is really fuck up the bridge to shove more cars on it. Yeah. Oh, so in a little bit we mean right now.

Yeah, right now. Yeah. Just one more lane. This is, this is a real like. Just one more late. Bro. I swear. Like one more line.

Cities skylined intersection goal. Well, yeah, I, I tried to pick like the two worst ones I could think of, which are the Brooklyn Bridge man had an approach. Oh, that that interchange getting onto the Brooklyn is fucking nightmarish. abominable. It's so bad. It looks really bad too. Just like it's aesthetically ugly. And that's what we wind up doing over a period of time to the Ambassador Bridge, which is

where I'm going to hand it over to Josh because I have to use the restroom. Okay. Well, let's talk here about the Eisenhower Interstate system. Do not pause. Continue to continue going. It's like driving from West Germany to Berlin. That's right. I should not stop this car. Do not stop.

Do not recognize any sort of like East German officials. Only, always ask for a Soviet officer. Hang on. Am I east Germany or West Germany in this analogy? I am referencing here a famously digitized VHS thing for British forces transiting across East Germany to get to West Berlin. Okay. In which because of the kind of fictions of the Cold War, you don't recognize even. East Germany as like an authority at all.

So you always insist, no, I'm not going to listen to you. I want to talk to a Soviet officer. That's that. That makes sense. And I mean, similarly, I do not recognize the Eisenhower interstate system just as a concept. But unfortunately, I am forced to take part in this charade, right? Because the bridge, as, as Rasa saying, like, it worked pretty fucking well as a bridge. People were able to drive across it.

There was a lot of traffic. It served as like one of the most important functional links between Detroit and Windsor and basically became the core artery through which transnational commerce was conducted between the United States and Canada. But what ended up happening, of course, after the war was the construction of the interstate system. And at that time, the interstate system began to encircle the city of Detroit itself. I think I'm going to have to fill time here because Roz is still in the bathroom. Yeah, he does not pee fast. But what I'll say is... He sits down to pay.

Yeah. Well, that's chill. It's fine, but he takes forever every time. You know the song, you know the Tim and Eric song? I sit down on I pee? I'm not familiar. No. It's a classic.

I can, if it's useful, I can sing it for you. You might as well, bud. Great. Here we go. It goes like this. What I've done here. is I've sort of prepared in these slides, I think a really striking example

of what happened to Detroit and specifically what happened to the Ambassador Bridge as a result of that construction. So next slide, please. Yes. I was not expecting the goddamn news drop there for some reason. So this is a map of downtown Detroit, right?

And there are, what I want you to note here, and I imagine you can probably mark these up a little bit, Roz. You see how like there are those four arterial roads that lead into the center of town there. Like if you go from the left there, you can see you've got Michigan Avenue that sort of like goes like straight to the left.

You see what I'm talking about there? I was thinking of the interstates there. But yeah, you got Michigan. I'll get to the interstates in a sec. But first I just want to talk about the roads that existed before the interstates, right? So you've got Michigan Ave, which sort of runs,

East West. Yep, that's it. That's it. Okay, good. I was, yeah. Woodward is this one, right? Woodward goes up. Grand River Ave is the one that goes between those two. It's the other diagonal. That's the only one that's labeled.

And then you've also got Grashtit, which is the other diagonal going northeast. Yeah. Okay. And alongside those, you have the two roads that run like along the riverfront, which is Fort Street as well as, oh my God, why am I blanking on it? I know what this one is. Is it Jefferson Avenue? Jefferson Ave, thank you.

Yes. And basically, this is how it was designed. And you can see this is not dissimilar from like, I don't know, there's a few cities that are sort of designed this way. Washington, D.C. is not unlike this where. The actual like downtown Detroit is sort of in the, what you might call the baroque tradition of city planning. Yeah.

It's, you know, the site lines are very important. Right. You know, the, you have something that not just looks good when you're walking around, but looks good even when you're looking at a plan. Exactly. It's a gorgeous city plan. It's a shame what they did do it. Yeah, exactly.

Totally. It's eyes open. Because then you can see right around there, obviously, they just fucked it up when they dropped the interstates down on it. And if you go ahead and click, the next slide, you'll see that I put sort of an area of focus here. So this is what we're about to zoom in on. Next slide, please. Yes. So this is the area that the bridge is around. And you can actually see, if you do one more click, it'll highlight where the bridge is. Yes. That is like

the feeder off, right? And the Construction of the interstates in the 50s and 60s just reoriented the entire downtown core around these expressways. And you can see it right here, the way that it sort of flows around. They go around downtown rather than into it. And they just kind of dump traffic down into downtown, mostly on game days, right? Tigers games and Lions games and shit like that. Now, Detroit was one of the only cities that completed its inner downtown loop. And that was a bad idea.

Yes. Very bad idea. Um, because you can see that's the ambassador bridge right there near like Hubbard Richard Corktown. You can already notice a few things about the way that this is just in terms of like, again, the flow of traffic and stuff like that. I just wanted to say to Detroit, great city, um, has been plagued by federal disinvestment, local mismanagement for years. I will defend it until the day I die. Go lions. Yes.

Um, so the, the traffic flow here. Right. So all points into and out of the bridge feed into the expressways. So you've got the Fisher Freeway, which you can see is sort of off there to the left-ish. That runs south all the way down to Miami along I-75. And then it runs north to Sioux-St. Marie, Ontario. That's the Fisher Freeway. And then you've got that spur there to the Jeffries Interstate 96, which runs west to Muskegon, Michigan, and then east to

well, Detroit, actually. It basically terminates in downtown Detroit. Right. And then the Fisher and the Jeffries connected to I-94. That runs west through Kalamazoo to Chicago on route to Billings, Montana, as well as east to Sarnia, Ontario. So like, the way that the interstates are designed, Detroit is the heart of all of it.

And what that means is that all this transnational traffic needs to get dumped onto the bridge. Yes. And all access to- This sounds like a bottleneck. It's a bit of a bottleneck, yeah. And this is, it also means that like, the way that it looks now, and you can see this, all access to the bridge is grade separated through the highway. The entrances to the highway, you have to kind of go around in order to get there.

And you can get on the highway from the John C. Lodge, Michigan Highway 10, but basically, most people are just going to take the tunnel unless they are trucks, because this entire traffic flow was mostly designed for trucking, right? Yeah, there's sort of an idea when you're, you know, in engineering, like what are you designing a bridge for, right? Right. Which is, okay, you have a bridge, it's entirely full of fully laden trucks and it has two feet of snow on it in a blizzard. with high winds, the Ambassador Bridge is the only one

that actually experiences that condition. Yeah, well, that and the one a little bit further north up by Port Huron, but yes, it's because when a storm comes in off of Lake St. Clair, it will fuck your shit up. But I've got another slide here because obviously we were talking about

how it wasn't always this way. And if we go to the next slide, This is Detroit in 1968. Yes. And so this is before they constructed that entire sort of weird thing so that you could easily feed on to both of the interstates via the bridge. And in this version, because again, this is sort of like retrofitting the bridge to fit the freeways, you have traffic to and from customs on these frontage roads that are on either side of the Fisher freeway.

Yes. right there. But obviously this is more of a bottleneck because of the fact that you have to figure out a way to fucking, you know, get on the highway. And again, it's not great from a traffic perspective. That is why they had to build all of that other bullshit and we're going to talk a little bit later

about how they built it. I want to go one more slide now. Yes. Because this is the original plan, right? And you can see the Ambassador Bridge kind of fits here. all you got to do is go in off the road you pop onto the bridge pretty straightforward but this because this bridge

became more and more important for transnational freight traffic they had to figure out a way to do something that it was not really originally designed for right the bridge sort of contains the seeds of its own destruction right you know because the automotive industry couldn't be quite so transnational unless they built this bridge.

And also like, yeah, you have a totally adequate bridge for Detroit, you know, 1929 when I don't, they're only like a couple years off from building the subway, you know, Michigan Central Station is taking in all these passengers. You know, the bridge is not the only form of transportation out there. But of course, it ended up being so load bearing. Because, you know, you can still ship things through the railroad. obviously, but particularly with the advent of like, you know, just in time logistics, you got to keep shipping that stuff back and forth across the border on trucks, you know? Yes.

Yeah, the railroad timing is not good for just in time loss. Logistics. No, you will get your shit when you get your shit. Stop asking us questions. Tomorrow or four weeks from now. Yeah. Who's to say? Who's to say?

I have the plumber coming that morning. Fuck you. So obviously the ambassador is a transnational bridge. So we might as well take a look at the Canadian side. That's the next slide here. This is Windsor. And you can see there in the upper left there. That's the ambassador.

You can also see a little bit further down the river off to the right there. That's the tunnel, the Detroit Windsor Tunnel, which again is used for passenger traffic. Now, what I'd like to, just a couple things that you will notice from this like bigger picture. Toward the bottom there, you've got Ontario Highway 401, aka the McDonald-Cartier Freeway.

This is a controlled access freeway. It runs all the way from Windsor, eastbound to Toronto, and then continues on to Quebec, where at that point it becomes auto route 20 and on through Montreal and Quebec City to Tuopistos, which is where it stops.

It is the busiest and at point's widest highway in all of North America. Yes. Wow. Damn. So somebody should throw a bunch of tariffs on all of this traffic, I think. That would be a good idea. Who do you think could do something like that?

A private company that owns a bridge. Good news, assholes. The other sort of major important road here is Ontario Highway 3, aka here on Church Road in the city of Windsor. You can see it run. That's what the bridge feeds on to, and you can see it runs from Windsor. goes down, then it goes east along Lake Ontario to Buffalo,

Buffalo, New York. And you can also see there's that interchange right there with Highway 3. But the thing about Highway 3 is that it's not, unlike 401, it's not a controlled access highway. It's not even grades separated by the time that you get to downtown Windsor. So if we take a look here at the next slide, we're going to zoom in on this area right here and we're going to see what happens

with traffic going either to or from Windsor from the Ambassador Bridge. So this is how you get onto and off the Ambassador Bridge from the Windsor side. I would like you to note here that, again, this is not a grade-separated intersection, but... Oh dear.

Yeah, yeah. You see that? Isn't that cool? Oh, boy. This has some major, like, Florida vibes. This is terrifying. This is like that one road in like Burma, you know, in the capital. Oh, the one with like 16 lanes where they played soccer on that episode of Top Gear, yeah. Yeah.

So you can already see here this is a fucking traffic nightmare. And I've got another bonus for you here, which is I took a couple pictures from Google Street View to show you how it signalized. Fuck me. So that's the one side of the intersection. And I pulled one from the other side as well, just so you can really get a sense for what this fucking intersection looks like. Travel by train. Relax.

Yeah. We're still still allowed, too. Yeah, do one more there. I took one from the McDonald's too, just so you can really see it. Isn't that beautiful? I love the American streetscape. How can you not be romantic? Oh, this is Windsor, but how do you not be romantic?

Yeah, how can you not be romantic about this? It's great. Canadian, Canadian tarmac has a certain genesis quo about it. I'd say so. There's always, whatever road you see in America that's appalling,

there's always something worse in Canada. That's damn true. So I'd just be curious, like, vibe check, right? How are we feeling about this? Disasterous. Bad. Bad, bad.

Yeah, that seems bad. Not bad. November's flu gaming right now, so. Yeah. Every- If I'm doing it this often, is it still a flu game or do I just have like a kind of chronic condition? The podcasters flu?

Podcasts for $400,000. Give her $400,000. I'm sick of asking you for money. I'm sick of recording bonus episodes. Give us your fuck now. Now, please. No, no, no. I'm gonna keep working and I'm gonna keep demanding the Patreon money, but on top of that also

the $400,000. different for $100,000. Yeah. Oh, that's wise. Same. Yeah. Oh, look at you. Financial savvy.

What I got to say here is that every border implies the asphalt required for the checkpoint. I hate you. You know, and the other question I have is, is this a railroad through, like a railroad crossing through the middle of all this bullshit? I don't. I'll be right back. I don't know. I don't think so.

Stop the podcast. It must be, right? Wait, hold on. Hold on a second. All right. To Google Maps, we go. I'm zooming in. I'm zooming in.

Oh, it absolutely is. Yeah, obviously. That's fucking insane. Yeah, that's a great spot for that, you know? That railroad crossing is also not grade separated. That goes right in the middle of both of those fucking four-lane roads that are going to and from the Ambassador Bridge. That is so funny. obviously

god damn they're maintaining it it's got several oh no this is a serious heavily used railroad yeah so you can see you can see in the parlance of this show where your problem lies

yeah yeah somewhere in the midst of these 50 lines exactly so you know on the Detroit side of things they were able to solve most of the traffic flow issues by re-engineering that entire area. But on the Canadian side of things, you just kind of can't. There's too much shit there and you can see as much, you know?

Yeah, well, you could, you know, what you could do is you could go and take a whole bunch of people's houses. Right. And kick them out, which they actually did and then just not build the adjacent span they were going to do. Right. Or you could, you know, they did that on the Detroit side. never, and they did that on the Canadian side.

They just never built the stuff, you know? Right. So now I would like to introduce you. Again, we'll get back to sort of our attempts to solve these problems later. But I want to introduce you to another figure now, another character and sort of, I think, our main character from the remainder of this episode. So this is Manuel Maddie Marone. Maddie Marone

Mattie Moron bought the bridge in 1979 straight up bought it this is the important thing this was always a private project right this was done at no cost to taxpayers this is what happens

when the bridge is done at no cost to taxpayers so a guy who looks like a French prime minister fucked a haunted puppet buys your bridge he's Lebanese yes yes he's Maronite

Catholic and he was raised in the city of Detroit. He went to University of Detroit Jesuit High School for his high school and Notre Dame for his undergrad. Boo. Yeah, boo! I don't know. And basically his origin story or his family's origin story is that his dad owned some gas stations as well as a general transportation and logistics firm that would

overtime grow to be among the 500 largest private companies in America do in fact, do in part to the fact that they of course owned the Ambassador Bridge. So I have a quote here from an article. This is a interview with

Maddie Morone. Something called Corp magazine. It's literally in Corp. It's in corp. Bro, it's on corp. Or corp with an with an exclamation point. Yes, so I should pronounce it correctly.

Corp, Corp, Corp. And here he says, The bridge was on the New York Stock Exchange, and shares were traded. So we bought a few shares. In the 1970s, Warren Buffett was going to buy the bridge, and he put out a tender offer for more than the current stock price, says Morone. We made a calculated decision to bid against the tender and said we'd buy any shares that were available right now.

A lot of people who had tendered their shares withdrew them so that they could get their money right away. That technique was successful. So I bought 24% of the shares. Warren got 25% and then there were holdouts. And then the article just continues a little bit to say that. Then Warren Buffett reached out to Maddie Marone was like, hey, would you like to buy my shares?

Morone bought Buffett's shares, gained a controlling stake in the bridge. The rest is history. Well, this is by way of another podcast return. learning guest, Charlie Munger, the guy who developed the cube. The cube. The cube. The cube. The University of California.

Yeah, the University of California. What is Santa Barbara, right? You see us. Student housing cube. Oh, yes, yes. So this is Maddie. Let's go ahead and take a look at the next slide here because another thing that he would buy later on in.

1995 is Michigan Central Station, one of Detroit's architectural gems. And both the bridge and this train station, I think, are great examples of Maddie Marone's overall M.O., which is, I'm going to buy this and sit on it and do some spectacular rent seeker. Oh, what a dickhead. Yeah, he was, he was, he like did this. There were more properties in Detroit he owned, but this was always the flagship one. This was always the, like, the biggest fuck you to the city of Detroit.

It was like, I'm going to buy this building and I'm going to do nothing with it. Nothing. And I'm going to see it crumble into dust. And I am going to be expected. You have to say thank you to me for it. Quite, you know. Yeah, apparently like his whole thing was like, oh, I'm just going to get the U.S. General Services Administration to lease the building for me.

But the GSA didn't need the fucking real estate. So like, nothing happened. It just sat there until finally the Ford's bought it. it in 2018, and I fucking hate to hand it to the Ford Motor Company, but they did a beautiful, beautiful job of the renovation. Yeah, they did a fantastic renovation. And what's interesting is, because this station is situated on the Michigan Central Railroad, if M-Track does a Chicago to Toronto train, which they are likely to do in the near future, this would be the location for the new station, right? It would make a lot more sense.

to be here rather than new center where the station currently is. But what they're actually going to do is now the station has been fully renovated. They're actually building a shed across the street for the train station. So, oh, what? Yeah, it's really important that you have a new shed, you know? I do love, you don't want this old ugly building, do you? This hideous, this hideous building, yeah. God.

Anyway, next slide. 1979 was the year that Central Cardage, the Morone family company, acquired the bridge. It was also the 50th birthday of the bridge. And that was when they did

the one and only capital improvement to the bridge that they would ever do, which is put lights on it. And everyone was like, yay, we did it. We're veering off into the Niagara, you know.

Well, it was actually lights on the, the, like, trusses, uh, and across the cables. It's, it was, it was cool.

Um, it wasn't, what the bridge needed, though. Let's put it that way, because traffic was getting worse. And you sort of saw from those slides earlier the way that the traffic sort of, the natural effect of the development of the interstate system, how that could contribute to worse traffic. And then, of course, NAFTA was signed in 1994, and it all went fucking haywire. By the time we get to the year 2000, 12.2 million cars are crossing the Ambassador Bridge every year. I mean, you know, the worst part of this is always going to be the trucks because it's all heavily laden trucks over that.

I mean, this bridge, this, if you were like going to, this is probably the worst abused bridge in the world. Like it really needs, it really needs a break. Yes. I have no idea how it's still standing. I don't be honest. I don't be honest. Um, you sound great. So I did also want to say something that's kind of interesting is that traffic,

that was like the peak. Traffic on the bridge has actually declined considerably since then. Like in 2025, there are only 5.4 million crossings total, so like less than half. Of course, a good piece of that is that nobody wants to come to America anymore. But like, it's been a downward trend for a while. Yeah, I also wonder, like, what was the proportion of cars crossing it versus the proportion of trucks?

Yeah. The trucks are, the trucks are doing all the damage. Right. So next slide, please. This poor thing. This poor bridge. This poor unfortunate bridge. This is a picture of road construction heading toward the Ambassador Bridge on southbound

I-96 that was taken in late 2007. And this construction was part of something called the Gateway Project. Because eventually, Michigan was like, hey, we need to fix the traffic problem. Hey, Marone family, the guys who own the bridge. Can you help? Can you, you know, do your damn job? I'm sure they were receptive. I've got bad news for you. You will not believe this, but as a matter of fact, they were not.

Oh, I'm shocked by this. Yeah. So the project was to be spearheaded by the Detroit International Bridge Company. And basically the idea is, hey, if you build these new interchanges and ramps, guess what? You get to build a second bridge. And you know, and then the second bridge, you get even more tolls from it. Isn't that great? Yeah, it's amazing.

It's a great idea. It's a natural monopoly, well, an unnatural monopoly into the prospect of second bridge. I know, right? Just by jingling sort of like money at them. In the famous words of Star Wars episode one, this is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them. And by them, I mean bridges. Because the first agreement between DIBC and M.D., Michigan Department of Transportation

was basically executed in 2004. And at that time, DIBC was unable to acquire all of the necessary land, by which I mean they didn't fucking try to do it, basically. And so what MDOT did was they bonded DIBC for $35 million. And they said, hey, now we're bonded. We, the state of Michigan, will seize this land via eminent domain. So you don't have to worry about even buying the land.

All you got to do is build the ramps. I do not wish to create joiner with you, sir. I love America where the government will seize your land and hand it over to a private corporation. It's amazing. Interestingly, there then ended up being a 2006 ballot referendum in the state of Michigan about whether or not they, the state could do shit like this in the future, largely in response to this deal. and to the credit of the voters of the state of Michigan, they all said, yeah, no, you can't do that from here on out. So rather than building the ramps as agreed,

even though they started construction late 2007, they just sort of did their own shit instead. It's freestyle, it. It's fine. Yeah, they just do something else, yeah. And here I've got a quote from an appeals court judgment. This is by June 2009, among other claims, M.DOT alleged DIBC was constructing Part A according to a conflicting design,

which was not approved by MDOT, the Federal Highway Administration, or the city of Detroit, things that they were doing, constructing permanent toll booths in the location where they said they were constructing access easement drive? How permanent we're talking? We're talking like sort of pillboxes, you know? As permanent as possible to generate as much revenue as possible. What is it like a really permanent toll booth? Like, are we talking like some kind of like...

Port Cullis. Yes, exactly. Like some kind of like Nazi bunker. Got the like sort of firing slits for arrows. They can dump boiling water onto the hood of your car. That's right. Broad sides at every semi-truck, absolutely. Yeah, you wouldn't need a second car for that scene.

And what's it? Godfather. Yeah. True. Wait, no, they did that from the toll booth. But now it would be formalized. Right. installing facilities including auto fueling pumps in the location where it agreed to construct one of the ramps.

So they were just like rather than building this federally and state-mandated ramp, we're going to build a gas station. Just sandbox mode, you know? Installing facilities including underground fuel tanks in the location where they agreed to construct another ramp. So basically, rather than building the ramps, they built a bunch of truck stops. That's what they did. And the state was like, fuck you, stop. And it went back and forth for a very long time. And finally, it came to a head in 2012, five years after construction started.

Next slide, please. This is the Wayne County Jail on Clinton Street in downtown Detroit. Oh. The court got so sick of Maddie Marone and his aide Dan Stamper's bullshit that they held them in contempt and sent them to jail. Yes. Yes, good. This is the move. This is always the move with corporate malfeasance.

Yeah, we're prison abolitionists, but those guys go dead fucking last. Yes. Yeah. And I do want to say, for reference, Maddie Marone was 85 years old at the time. Fuck him right in his dead geriatric face. And that actually put the fear of God in them. Yeah. In February, the very next month, Detroit International Bridge Company was like, hey, we're forming a special committee.

It doesn't have Maddie Marone on it. And they finished the fucking thing in seven months. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. Amazing what happens to your whole guys in contempt, you deadly bitch. They built the approaches for the bridge that they didn't build. It's so good. It's so good.

So you would think at this point, okay, you know, they built those ramps. The whole situation with the Maroons, it's done, it's dusted, great. I've got bad news for you again because remember how there was going to be another bridge. Well, they didn't want anybody building the bridge other than them. And they had heard word that there was going to be a bridge built by Canada. Because Canada realized, wait, shit's fucked. We need to do our own thing. And so Canada got underway with this project to build a new state fund and bridge.

They established a crown corporation called the Windsor Detroit Bridge Authority. that was in 2012, and they're like, oh, what will it take to get a new bridge going? And so the Maroons, noticing the threat, put a proposal on the Michigan ballot for November of that year, 2012 that would have required the majority of voters in both the entire state of Michigan as well as every municipality potentially affected by the bridge to vote in favor of it in a separate election. What's for one's total democracy? Jesus.

You do us again. It's a tweet again. You just appreciate why it in Stalin simply shot. everybody. Folks, you've got to get educated. You got to know when to vote no on a ballot measure. I know a lot of them sound good, but no. And here I have one of the small pieces of good news in this overall saga.

If we pull up the next slide here, it just got fucking obliterated. 60% of voters said no fucking way. Hell, yeah. So I guess last bit is just to follow up on what they've done now. with this wonderful bridge. Next slide. New bridge. You can see they're over on the west side

of Windsor there right across the Detroit River. That is a brand new span. Yes. It's called the Gordy Howe bridge. It's almost done. They're gonna start testing like this week. In fact, they already have, it's named for legendary Detroit Red Wings hockey player,

Garty Howe, who is a born and raised Canadian, who's also Detroit legend. Mr. Hockey, what? Mr. Hockey. Mr. Hockey. Mr. Hockey, yeah. You can see on both sides. He did. He did. The man who invented hockey. And you can see on both sides, you have

controlled access entrances. You've got big old customs facilities on either side of the border. Traffic from the USA flows directly onto 401. Traffic into the USA flows directly from 401. And you've also got this really nice big exchange right there in Delray, which goes right onto the Fisher Freeway going both ways. Perfectly designed, wonderful bridge. If you take a look at the next slide, you'll see that it's also very beautiful. I really like this bridge a lot. I just want to improvise something here for a second. Oh, yeah.

Just to show you, you know, never fucking trust private industry. Yeah. I'm going to bring this thing over here. They built the approach ramps for the bridge. They would have the monopoly on. Mm-hmm. Like, they built it. They eminent domain and demolished the houses of many Canadian people in Canada.

right for to build the second span yep they refused to build it and yep the Canadians had to intervene anyway how do I well you know Canadians famously are very like hot-tempered and unreasonable people for sure or you want us to build the bridge eh oh we'll show you a oh that is pretty it's a big bridge it's a it's a great bridge I love this bridge it's a bit Santiago Calatrava but in a positive way for us It's, you know, the- Carl Trump's got shooters out here. Not us. Honestly, it's just a huge-

So do I. I was myself, you know? Oh, you got like 20 minutes and, well, if she dies, we just split the Patreon two ways. Yeah, but the podcast won't be as good. What about the $400,000, though? Yeah, well, I have,

the thing is I don't even have like, I need to do another will and then I'd have to be like first thing in the will, Josh gets $200, but only if I get the $400,000. If and only if. Otherwise, you know, Josh gets nothing. Oh, my God. In fact, I'm going to ask my lawyer to see if there's a way

if we can like charge you once I die. Come on. No, no. Oh, you're a genius. Assess some kind of like fees on you, you know. I like the idea of a reverse will where it's like, here are all of the people. I've come to collect. That's right.

Yeah, it's like, this is the guy that I want to pay for my funeral. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good idea. I just invented it. Arnold Palmer. Like, I think, I think we should, we should, yeah, we should have those be real. But, like, you can see this bridge. Like, I sailed under this.

I actually, last time I was in Michigan, I went on a cruise on the Detroit River and we went under the bridge. It's fucking great. It's a great bridge. It's a great bridge. It's a... Still got that new bridge smell. Yep, yep.

It was originally budgeted at $1 billion Canadian. The final cost was actually $3.8 billion Canadian dollars, but the great news for the United States... Should have got Majetsky on the job. Yeah, for sure. We did this for the United... Fuck you. The great news for the United States is that we didn't have to pay for a penny of it.

The whole fucking thing was paid for it by the Canadian government. Suckers! We're building a bridge and Canada's going to pay for it. Literally. Isn't this the same bridge that Trump is trying to shut down? because he thinks the US got a raw deal on it. I was about to say, yes. So this bridge is going to be told on the Canadian side going into the US,

but not the other way. It's owned 50-50 by the governments of Michigan and Ontario. What a beautiful and elegant solution to this longstanding problem that gets private money out of the equation and fixes both the political issues and the issues around traffic engineering. What could possibly stop this wonderful bridge from opening? What could it be? One FIFA prize, peace prize winner.

What could it be? like New Jersey, you have to pay the get out of Canada tax. Anyway. So I think we all know what it is and it's on, of course, the next slide here. Oh, the orange guy. As everyone knows, the country of Canada has treated the United States very unfairly for decades. Now things are turning around for the USA and fast. But imagine, Canada is building a massive bridge between Ontario and Michigan.

They own both the Canada and the United States side and, of course, built it with virtually no U.S. consent. No, U.S. content is what it says. Excuse me. People should have been listening to this podcast when they were building. President Barack Hussein Obama, point in the hits, stupidly gave them a waiver so they could get around the Buy American Act, not use any American products, including our steel. He's capitalizing at random. Now the Canadian government expects me as president of the United States, don't call me Grandpa, to permit them to just take advantage of America.

What does the United States of America get, M-Dash? Absolutely nothing. Nothing. Ontario won't even put US spirits, beverages, and other alcoholic products, comma, on their shelves, comma, they are absolutely prohibited from doing so. And now on top of everything else, Prime Minister Carney, wants to make a deal with China, MDASH, which will eat Canada alive.

We'll just get the leftovers. I don't think so. The first thing China will do is terminate all ice hockey being played in Canada and permanently eliminate the Stanley Cup. That is my favorite part of the entire fucking thing. China is going to get rid of hockey. President of she.

Please. Unperson. What's his name? Lord Stanley, you don't great. Send J20 Chengdu, advices to permanently eliminate the Stanley Cup. Yeah, yeah. And then give it back to its rightful owners, the Boston Bruins, fuck you.

The tariffs Canada charges us for our dairy products have for many years been unacceptable, putting our farmers at great financial risk. I will not allow this bridge to open until the United States is fully compensated for everything we have given them. And also importantly, Canada treats the United States for the fairness and respect that we deserve. We will start negotiations, comma, all caps immediately. With all that we have given them, we should own, comma, perhaps, comma, at least one half of this asset. The revenues generated because of-

We literally do. If it's if the bridge is co-owned by the two sides of the fucking bridge. The revenues generated by, because of the U.S. markets will be astronomical. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. Yes, sir. So I mean honestly if if I mean safety third I've ever read it's probably yeah no it's probably not true but if China does want to kill Wayne Gretzky they can do that man guy sucks uh yeah sorry uh Bobby Orr was better at

can he can he take out the US men's hockey team while he's at it we you know Jesus fucking I hate those pricks so much Hitler floating around in that locker room man So, that sounds about right, yeah. It turns out the Marones, not yet out of the game. No. Next slide. Oh, hold on a second. Where did the mouse go?

There it is. Jesus Christ. I have to do the thing. They've gone for one last Hail Mary. Oh, boy. Matthew Marone, the son of Maddie, has gone for noted Epstein associate, Howard Lutnik. Oh, my God. To get him to block the opening of the bridge.

What? There were two New York Times articles. One was published on February 10 that Morone actually met with Howard Lutnik right before that fucking post went out. And also, the Marones donated $1 million to a Trump super pack. I mean, listen, I'm making $400,000 or I'm not, but I wish to be by saying, give me $400,000. Right. For Trump to make a million. by just tweeting out some bullshit.

That's, I mean... It's not. Give me $400,000. Give her $400,000. And then she can go to bed, Grandpa. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Here is the thing. Capitalists are completely irrational.

You know why? Because we all know. More traffic lanes means more traffic, right? Because there is a new bridge. There will also be more traffic going across the Ambassador Bridge. It is in their interest either to support the new bridge or they are completely allowed to build their own new bridge. And they will make more money off of building that new bridge. If they build, this is, I, this is, okay, this is the thing about like the abundance stuff that I never got is like, okay, if you give capitalists at, in, you know, a way to make more money in the future.

by spending some money now. They don't do it. They don't, they never fucking do it. Scared money, don't make money, Roz. It's always, it's almost as if these people aren't actually that smart with their money. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, the fucking railroads make enough money each year to build out a high-speed rail network in all of America.

What do they do with it, stock buybacks? Yeah, it's just, they need. to preserve their capital at any possible cost, even if making concessions to other competitors would actually increase their overall profit, which it would, right? They just extract rent. There's no value added. They just extract rent. So, I see, I see why you put in this next slide.

Next slide, please. Which is for completely unrelated reasons. Next slide, please. This is the Glock 23, which is a compact, striker-fired handgun chambered for the a 40 Smith and Weston cartridge in package to serve as a reliable duty or concealed carry option. It pairs a 4.02 inch barrel with a polymer frame and fixed sights for a compact footprint in consistent handling. The V series retains Gen 5 ergonomics, including an interchangeable backstrap system and bedextrous slide stop lever and Glock's marksman barrel with an NDLC

finish on key components. The slide features front serrations for positive manipulation, and the frame includes an accessory rail for lights or attachments. The only add to you here, Listen to Bloodwork podcast. I'm not sure how this got here. Sorry, I don't know how this got here. You went into a kind of fugue state. It was crazy. Your eyes went completely black.

Yeah. Oh, wow. I, this, I got to tell you, this episode has been bordering on delirium, and this is a short one by our standards. It has you bordering on delirium. You need to go to bad grandpa. Yeah.

And they're hurting a beautiful bridge doing it. That's such a nice bridge. Wurz, thanks for the Niagara Falls. All right. Next slide, please. Next slide, please. That has been my presentation. These are my presentations.

Thank you for your time. Next slide, please. Oh, we have a safety podcast. We have a certain on this podcast called Wayne Groskrey. Oh, hold on a second. Wayne Gretzry? Wayne Gretzry. Oh, God.

Wayne Gratzfrey. Not that I'm a third. not slurring as well. Oh my God. Wayne won up here. No, that's a voicemail. Don't play that. Oh, don't play that.

Okay. Wait, no, I believe it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, that's just, that's just Wayne recapping the Liverpool match. That's, again, we, we,

no, no, no, we're recording tomorrow with the, with the batting around, folks. It's no big deal. Dear Justin, November, Victoria, Devin, any guests, and yay, Liam. Hooray!

This safety third involves rotating knives, hubris, and the hazards of life on a small farm. I grew up on a sheep farm in the Pacific Northwest, and every time around lambing season, we would put down layers of straw in the stables of the barn, so the newborn lambs and their mothers would have soft places to rest. Oh. To automate this process. Oh, God, damn. My father purchased a power takeoff driven

bail chopper. See attached photo for an example. For those who are not aware, a power takeoff is, you take off the power from like a tractor or a pickup truck or something like that.

means of a belt. It's like you stick something on the wheel and you take off the power. It's extremely dangerous and stupid, but farmers love them. Anyway, it's very easy to injure yourself extremely badly in like disgusting and horrible ways. Good news. We have a safety, we have a segment on this podcast called Safety Third, which I assume is unrelated. The bail chopper with its dozens of rapidly spinning, spinning blades. would fluff up the bales of straw, dramatically increasing the amount of bedding you would get per bail,

and blow it out of the discharge up here. Love to blow it out of the discharge. Hold on a second. It had a snorkel of a discharge spout where you could aim the straw, much like a snowblower, allowing for drive-by-bedding refreshment. This story is in regards to the end of the lambing season,

when the tons of now sodden straw had to be laboriously mucked out, layer by layer, and hauled to the compost pile. My father, wanting to get as much use out of this rather specialized attachment as he could, decided that he would feed the manure-coated bedding into the chopper and aiming. Oh, gets choked on the way in. and it gets chopped together on the way out. And you're definitely not going to create a kind of funnel of high-powered sheep shit.

You're chopped, but not on. Thank God. He decided he would feed the manure-coated bedding into the chopper and aim at the compost heat so it'd be aerated and break down faster. theoretically leading

to better compost. All went well for the first couple hopper foals, the finely chopped mixture was piling up nicely. However, as the density of the material increased, the chopper quickly jammed. In the process of unjamming the chopper, the discharge spout was unbolted for access, leaving an opening directly to the impeller at the heart of the machine, which had become packed tight with the poop-coated straw. I think I know where this is going.

I am not excited. I am. And it's sending out psychic beams in every direction like, hey, I'm talking with your fingers. Oh, yes. Also, for anyone listening who's not aware, an impeller is sort of the, it's the part, it's the spinny part of the pump that moves the stuff around, hopefully water. In this case, sheapsed. Just jammed with sheep shit.

Horrible shit, yeah. I was given a garden hose and told to aim the stream at the intake and the outlet of the chopper to help break down what was binding the machine up. As the gallons of water built up inside it, my father, who was sitting mere feet from the discharge opening, redlined the tractor and worked the clutch. trying to unjam the attachment. It wasn't quite a Herculean task, but the solution was similarly a Gian.

Yeah, I've had days like today, you know. And then it happened. Oh, no. The manure straw mixture had been diluted enough. Pollution is a solution to pollution. It had been diluted enough that the impeller was finally able to rotate again. Sweet. I got to

witness my father turning around in his seat with a look of triumph but this was to be short-lived as he witnessed a 40-foot column of shitwater and debris being propelled vertically by the impeller now running at maximum output.

Again, had some takeout days like this. Today it was like this for me. With dawning horror. He realized what goes up must come down. And thanks to the prevailing wind, he was directly in the landing zone. He killed the engine.

But it was too late. It's a world of shit and him without an umbrella. He was quickly coated head to toe in liquefied sheep manure, bits of rotten straw, and other barnyard horrors. Damn. After recovering my composure, I helped him hose off before he went inside to shower. And lesson was learned. We went back to cleaning the stalls the old-fashioned way. Work hard and not smart.

Thank you all for keeping me entertained during my long commute and keep up the good work from Tyler. And, P.S., I worked on the Blue Caboose, VW. Hold on. VWXX800 and can tell you that the train commissars are delightful people when they're off duty it's down here

that's the people who who love what's the word what's the word summarily execute you if you fuck with the nuclear weapons anyway yeah yeah

so don't don't fuck around with shit I guess is the lesson from that one. Yeah. Yeah. Just scoop it. We've been scooping it for a millennium.

Ross, for God's six. Play the outro. Hold on. End this. Hold on. It's this one. It's this one. Yes.

Josh. If the people want more Josh. There are two shows that I co-host. One of them is called The Worst of All Possible World. talk about media and media narratives. Every week, we do a different piece of media. And we have had November Kelly on our show numerous times. It's true.

I was more awake. We've had Justin Rosniak on our show multiple times, including quite recently to talk about trading places. Trading places, yeah. Fantastic film. And I also host a podcast called Ill Conceived. It's about natalism, which is the ideology that sees. declining birth rates is the most important problem facing our world right now, which is not

our position, but it is a position we're interested in interrogating. So you can listen to either of these fantastic podcasts in your favorite podcast client. And thank you all so much for having me on the show. I always love talking about anything to do with the great state of Michigan, especially just how fucked up the ambassador bridge is. Oh, our pleasure. Also, if you've made it this far, I have a new podcast. It's called Big A Solve Crimes. It's me. two other trans women, one of whom was me and Molder, talking about detective fiction and why it's a trans thing to like. It's really good.

Be gay, solve crimes.com. Listen to, listen to worst of all possible worlds and ill-conceived and be gay, solve crimes, and what else do we got? Gosh, shit, there's a lot of... Talk to shit. No gods, no mess.

Trash, you know, Joe's Bond. 10,000 losses. End this. Our next episode. The voice is in my head all the time. Our next episode will be on Chernobyl. Wow. How about that?

Amazing. Does anyone have any commercials before we go, even though we already just did the. We did the commercials. We did the commercials. Goodbye. Bye. Bye. How do I end this?

I'm going to kill you with my bare hands.