Well There‘s Your Problem - Episode 200: The Mob Dumps Trash All Over Naples

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

i'm the trashman. i throw trash all over---all over the ring Our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/wtyppod/ Send us stuff! our address: Well There's Your Podcasting Company PO Box 26929 Philadelphia, PA 19134 DO NOT SEND US LETTER BOMBS thanks in advance in the commercial: Local Forecast - Elevator Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ that's right folks sam put together SOURCES: (remind me to link these when we get the doc together - roz)

My favorite piece of podcast fan art I've ever gotten was when I posted a picture of looking down concerned and somebody edited him into the I dropped the socket guy. Oh, that was really good. It was so funny. We, someone, someone, we got so much. We got so much fan art. We got so many good designs that I have yet to upload to the store, but rest assured that I will be, it's fine.

I will get around to it eventually. There's also sort of the reason why we haven't recorded an episode. in six or seven years is because I myself have been going through it, so I apologize. Also, we should sing the recording. Oh, but no, no, I've been going through it, and by it, I mean California, Nevada, Utah. Yeah, for sure. Did you shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die? No, I was really fucking sick in Reno.

I was, like, disappointed because I wanted to see the new train station. And no, I was just, you know, I was like half conscious laying in the roomette. And I was like, oh, I'm in the trench for the new station in Reno. And then I fell back asleep. You went on a kind of like psychogeographic vision of the American West. Right. Yeah, I was, yeah, metaphorical, literal, right. It's what, you know, taken peyote would be like if peyote was COVID.

Um, uh-huh. See, it's way more exciting than me. My thing was just, I'm just sad, you know? Like I was, I was still going back to bed, but I wasn't doing it in Reno. Not being in Reno is a good thing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot you still live Nevada. Shit, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But anyway, we're back. We're ready to podcast.

Hello. Yeah. Is everybody ready for podcast? Yes, sir. I'm, yes, we got to sync the audio. We got a goddamn, we got to sync the audio. Also there's like a four second lag on my end. I, oh my God.

All right. Uh, three, two, one, Mark. All right, close enough. Oh boy. That's definitely, that's definitely about a four second lag right there. Yeah. Okay. That's, that's fine.

That's fine. at work. Yeah, we're all going to have to speak slowly. Zencastor, you son of a bitch. You're all going to have to hold space for like female voices. Yes. Yes. So.

Thank you. Thank you. All right. With that in mind, we'll all have to speak very slowly and clearly with long pauses. Welcome to the 200th episode of, well, there's your problem. A podcast about engineering disasters with slides. I'm Justin Rosnack. I'm the person who's talking right now.

My pronouns are he and him. Okay, go. You're telling me I've said this 200 times. I'm November Kelly. I'm the person who is speaking right now. My pronouns are she and her. 200 times Yay Liam

Yay Liam Thank you November Yeah hi I'm Liam McAnderson My pronouns are he and him And uh I I got a new one You got another pronoun to debut

A new prognome We got a joke about pronouns huh Oh yeah yeah yeah 200 episodes in And the mask comes off baby Yeah No we got an attack helicopter with us today That's me I'm an Apache.

I'm original. Please don't Charlie Kirk me. Victoria, go. Hello, my name is Victoria Scott. I'm the person who's talking right now. My pronouns are she and her. I haven't done this 200 times. No.

It's fine. Give it time. One day. Yeah. And what do you see on the screen in front of you? is Tony Soprano. A legitimate Italian-American businessman, a pillar of his community, and most of all, a waste management consultant.

A waste management consultant. Now, you may think the Sopranos is a work of fiction. However, there is a strong analog in Italy. And that's what we're going to talk about today. when the mafia poisoned a good chunk of southern eat Italy, why? And to quote Sam's nose, because Sam wrote this episode, taking the bins out incorrectly. Yeah, in case you were in any doubt that our research assistant is British,

this is this is Bin's politics. This is the politics of the bin. This is, this is the Bin's episode. And also if this episode sucks, blame Sam and not All right. Anyway, I think it'll be good, though. But before we do that, we have to do the goddamn news.

I still haven't got the fucking iPad fixed. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got this. I got this. Okay. You got this? You got this? Hey, Tom.

Yay, Liam. Not from Newark, Delaware. No, wait, no. Hold on. No, Jesus. I thought I actually put it in here. No, I didn't. All right, anyway.

A very special 200th episode Warlitzer for the news. Yes, yes. So there was a train crash in the UK. I actually have no idea what happened here. Someone explain this for me, please. I'm sensitively using this to plug you and Gareth's new podcast, Trains Atlantic. Trains Atlantic. Listen to Trains Atlantic. Because we kind of don't, we don't know anything yet. But what we do know is that Justin and Gareth have a new podcast. It's called Trains Atlantic. It's about trains. It's like Railnasser except that Justin is on it. So you should listen to that.

Except there's two of us. Yeah. It's less structured. But yes. There was a signal past a danger, but I don't think we know why or how. Yeah, this is the worst like train crash we've had in the UK in a while, not least because one of the drivers was killed. And then like a lot of people apparently seriously, seriously injured because one train on the East Midlands Railway just ran into the back of another one. And all we know so far is that that second train passed a signal at danger. We don't know why. And, you know, to an extent we don't want to speculate.

I don't also necessarily want to have the like really close up sort of footage of like train wrecks. So what I've got here is an image I found, which looks so tilt shifted. It reminds me of playing the emergency games back in the day. And this is National Rail having to build a road up to the track in order to crane all of the like rolling stock off, which is crazy work. logistically. Yeah. I like the, the train crane.

Oh, yeah. It used to be you just take a sidewinder up there and just shove the train back on the track. I don't know what's going up there going on up there in the UK. But yeah, I also have no idea what happened here. I do want to speculate, but I don't have enough information to do so.

To even speculate. Oh, that's tough, man. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Place your bets on Polymology. market now. If you have inside information, then immediately...

Bleep that. Immediately start using privileged information to start like corruptly winning bets on prediction markets. Yeah. No, I think as far as I know, all of the injuries were like confined to the first carriage of the train that ran into the back of the other one, which, you know, is pretty bad. But as far as the sort of crashworthiness of everything else, it's, it's, you know, good that more people weren't injured, I guess.

It seems like, yeah, everyone other than the driver, you know, the, the, the, the cars stayed relatively intact. The train seems to have stayed on the track. I mean, it's about the best outcome you can expect, you know, given the circumstances, which again, we don't exactly know what they are. Yeah, I think the only other thing that we know is that the first train had stopped because of like an AWS fault. That's the automatic warning system that makes you break automatically if you don't acknowledge

like a yellow signal or slow down in time for a red signal. So that had just stopped and then whatever signal was protecting it, the second train has just come through, which, yeah, Bruce, but we didn't know yet. Future episode, I guess, once we do know more. Yeah, most likely. But in other news, Mr. Speaker, I am a duna. All right, we got to talk about the reflecting pool. Oh, God.

We're going to have to talk about the goddamn reflecting pool. I knew this was something for us as that whole story spiraled. I don't know much about pools, right? But my understanding. Well, okay, this is untreated water. Right? Or it was untreated water until they treated it. But yeah, the... It's true.

Water really. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. That's a trivial statement. Yeah. Sorry. Didn't they treat it by dumping a bunch of hydrogen peroxide into it, too? But like one gallon jugs at a time?

Yeah, one gallon jugs at a time. Yeah, it was embarrassing to look at. The reflecting pool, I'm going to say this as someone who was not a Washingtonian, but a resident of the suburbs of Washington for a long time. It has always had seasonal algae problems. But the president decided in his wisdom to have a pool company come in and add a blue liner to the reflecting pool, you know, as one might find in a pool. And this has increased the temperature of the water,

which means the algae blooms this year have been much worse than usual. Yeah, he wanted it American flag blue, which is, you know, sort of characteristically, hubristic and what it ended up being was, you know, kind of toxic green. Luckily, however, we found out why this is happening and it's not... The water's already blue, but not enough. And thankfully, like I said, we found out the reason why this is happening. And the reason, of course, is Antifa.

Yes. Oh, we did this. Well, no, so there was a project some decades ago that was organized by Antifa to, instead of feeding the reflecting pool with Washington, D.C. municipal water, it would instead have sort of a tidal cycle along with the Potomac River being fed directly from the tidal basin, right? This was like an old anti-Fa plot. I think it was, you know, like, I don't know which sort of sector of Antifah started it.

But this was going to disgrace to. It was this one like, to disgrace the capital, I think. Right. So, but anyway, once they stopped feeding it with municipal water, the algae blooms got a lot worse.

You know, but these were all, it's just a seasonal thing you tolerate, right? And the fact that president's real, real mad about it is, is pretty funny because they are arresting people for being anti-fah

for like looking at the reflection. pool the wrong way, which is the thing you're supposed to do with the reflecting pool is look at it. It has no other purpose. The thing about the liner as well is the liner is now like coming up in chunks, which Trump suggests is due to still further dedicated agents of Antifa, slashing the reflecting pool's new liner with a knife. My favorite thing was Jen Bendery from Hofpo went down to it and found a pool. guy there who was like, oh yeah, this is a shit liner job. I used to run a pool business and

like this is, this was always inevitable. It was always going to just start pealing off in huge chunks. But no, we got a grand jury indictment today for a former Olympian who touched the water. I look forward to that going about as well as the guy who like threw the sandwich at the FBI agent. I just, I don't get the reflecting pool. I have to be honest because like I understand that Washington, DC is it's a bog functionally. It's a city that you built in a bog to make a very important point. And it's like humid as ass all the time. And then for some reason, for some reason you decided to put like a big puddle in there

to commemorate the fucking, I don't know, liberty or whatever. And now you have a child in charge who wants the pool to be blue crayon when in fact it's not because it's a water system. Yeah, it's, you know, and the other thing is, well, no, let me, let me, let me break out some, you know, I don't know how to describe this. If you want a reflecting pool, it costs money. They should just hook it back up to the municipal water. Fuck it. I, you know, if you want this outcome, you're going to have to spend some money instead of doing all this bullshit.

This is a hack on a hack on a hack. It's really, it's sort of a lot of Trump's worst qualities besides the obvious ones, where he's like, because he's a property guy, but he's also a micromanager, but he also tries to do everything on the cheap and stiff everyone on the bill. Yeah, they spent millions and millions of dollars doing the new liner, which appears to just have been them rolling out like blue epoxy based like pool paint. Yeah. Just it's, yeah. Going to the reflecting pool, which now looks like it emits the fucking radiation Geiger counter thing from Fallout 3, and there's a guy in waiters with like a sort of floating, like, pool chair with a bunch of blue gloss paint buckets and a roller. I think the thing about this for me is that, like, it's the first thing that's felt genuinely funny,

because it's, it's, every time he makes a mockery out of, like the seat of power of America. I think it's hilarious, especially when it upsets him. And this is like the ballroom for me, you know, where it's like, hey,

we leveled part of the White House to, to, like, satiate this one, like, 80-year-old child's whims. And,

like, we're just, we're making, we're desecrating America's monuments. And it's honestly pretty funny. And the fact that upsets him is great. It's like, it's the same thing as like the state fair thing.

The great American state fair. The, The thing about Marx is that he thought that the farce would follow the tragedy when instead what seems to be happening is the tragedy and the farce are happening at the same time, but faster and dumb. Simultaneously. It's a black comedy, folks. I would recommend that people read DeBord to understand the spectacle, but I also don't

want all of our listeners to kill themselves. The worst part is, the worst part is for the Trump administration, this is actually a fantastic carbon sink right here. You know. It's just Trump, Trump, between this and the straighter Fulmuse, yeah, between this and the straight of Fulmuse, Donald Trump is not having a good time with like narrow bodies of water. Yeah, I was about to say, but you know, the other thing is, yeah, we've, we've taken so

much CO2 out of the atmosphere, you know, probably, probably Europe can start having air conditioners now. I'm sorry. Don't tell them that. that. I just like thinking about this as being part of his sort of narrative arc. I'm sort of imagining a like a version of The Apprentice where we go back to 80s, New York Trump, and he stiffs a pool guy and the pool guy kind of implicitly curses him to this.

Did you see the pictures of the pool guy? Oh, his neighbor. Like they won the no-bid contract. Oh, God. Yeah, Frank. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

You mean the guy who was responsible for the Avanti revival? I mean the guy who looks like Paul Barra? Do you remember the, say if you're a car sicko, Studebaker had the Avanti, and then somebody decided they would buy the nameplate and try to bring it back as a modernized 80s version when they were doing 50s nostalgia, and it was a terrible piece of shit,

and they ruined the whole, like, design of the car in the process of doing it. It was one of the, like, classic, like, Like, the auto industry can't be that hard proceeds to, you know, shoot self-in-foot stories. But I think that's the same guy who did the cool. It's not, it's not Frank Corona in this case. I got my wires cross with no gods, no mares. Frank Corona is the Eric Adams aide who texted, thank you my big guy in a corruption thing

that then got subpoenaed by the feds. Hold on. Let me, John J. Caffaro. Hold on. Let's see. Okay, so I'm racist against Italians now. That's going to bode well for the next 50 slides. Wait, no, it is the Studebaker Revival guy. Holy shit. I'm not doing a bit.

No, he really did that. God damn it. It's just the same five guys. Trump got the Studebaker revival guy to do his pool? He got the studebaker guy. He's in the pool. There's always an automotive angle, baby. Yeah, it's this guy.

He looks like a villain from like a new, a new home alone remake. Yes. They don't, they don't make guys like that anymore. We're going to rediscover Fordite just from like layers of pool liner. It won't have long enough to congeal. Fordite only worked because the paint adhered. So, well. Good luck to the president and his quest to make the waters blue.

We have more to look forward to too, because in the next week, probably by the time this episode's up, we're going to have 850,000 fireworks going off to break the world record for the 4th of July. And he says he wants to give the longest speech possible in 107 degree weather, which is like, I don't know, 34. So like, you know. He's just going to absorb and radiate the heat into the cold. crowd assembled, right? Like, like people are going to die in the crowd, but he's going to absorb their life force. Like a reverse William Henry Harrison. Yeah, pretty much. And right now,

I understand that they've, they've just fenced off the reflecting pool and they've had to just start draining it in order to try and get it bluer and get some of the algae out. But they say it's going to be done for July the 4th. I've also heard that like fencing off the reflect Poole is normal for setting up the fireworks, but I don't know that for sure. I've never been to the July 4th fireworks on the National Mall because I'm a sane person. A rabid anti-American as we all should be. I kind of get the sense that like doing the Fourth of July stuff in D.C. is kind of the American equivalent of like British people who are into our royal family.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the only reason to go see the fireworks in D.C. is if you live in D.C. And that's like, that'll be like the one time of year you visit the National Mall, maybe. And actually, you probably won't do that because you can see it from everywhere. Yeah, they're starting security screening at one. And you're only allowed to have a liter of water. And the fireworks start at 11 p.m.

So this is the equivalent of like the God emperor in Warhammer 40K. You know, they are going to have to sacrifice. 10,000 Chuds. Yeah. Yeah, just Chuds screaming for water trying to dive into an empty reflecting pool. Every year we sacrifice 10,000 used car dealers to Donald Trump. Look, if it's the only way we can get denatification done in this country, whatever, I'll take it. Yeah, that well may run dry soon.

But, you know, in the meantime, you know, it's, I guess we'll see what happens. And in other news, hold on. I don't even know if I should do. What's up? I'm going to do it. No. Sorry. Oh, yeah, no, pretty much.

That's pretty much how it feels. this is where I parked the anger slide the slide for anger my understanding if no one got me I know Devin got me yeah

the the supreme course of the United States of America showed up to work the one day a year they bothered to do that and in a thing that was much reported

broke 6-3 on the legal question motherfucker can you read and preserved birthright citizenship, but in a far less reported decision decided that equal rights in Title IX do not apply to trans people, so fuck the Supreme Court, bracket, American this time. Specifically also just like vindicating Julia Serrano by like having Kavanaugh write a whole

like trans women are just, you know, the lowest class of people. We can't have them stealing scholarships from our precious like blonde-haired blue-eyed cis girls. Yeah. Yeah. I think is like I have nothing funny about this. As somebody who lives here and, you know, is kind of just like losing my mind constantly, it took about 26 hours for this one to actually hit me because I was so relieved. It was actually, it was like 5-4 for the citizenship thing too, because there were two questions

they decided, and one of them was 6-3 and one of them was 5-4. And all the, all the confident law, no way. the ball knowers of America were convinced that it was going to be like, you know, nine nothing or maybe like seven to. And of course, it was just way worse than that. And they're, they're already like trying to set up the legal arguments to go for another round.

Yeah. And they probably will. I mean, the thing it's nice is that like I am not an accelerationist. So another year where people don't unnecessarily suffer as good, honestly, like, you know,

that was nice. But this is just, the thing that really fucked me about this was just like, it was nine nothing. that trans women don't apply to Title IX. It wasn't even like, oh, you know, it was another like 6-3 split decision for, you know, on one reading of the law it was,

but on the title nine thing, it's like, no, it was a weak legal argument, but I just don't give a fuck anymore. This is all Kelvin Ball. I don't give a shit. Like, if I don't understand how you look at the legal situation for trans people in the U.S. And you say, well, this wasn't the best case to bring.

It's like, it doesn't fucking matter. The thing that strikes me here is, you know, they make all the huge deals here about one of like the six high school trans athletes in America. You know, it's like they did a, the right wing movement has successfully done a reverse Rosa Parks. Yeah. Well, and like the girl that this case was about was like, I think 11 when this law got raised, she's like 16 or 17 now. And she's the only person the law applies to. And she did everything, you know, quote unquote right, according to these fucking bigots. And that she was started puberty blockers at the young age.

And she didn't go through like, you know, the years of excruciating puberty. And it doesn't fucking matter. They don't give a shit. We don't, we don't belong in their society. And it's like, I just, I don't even know. I mean, like, I guess I could make a bunch of actionable threats. Like, you know, we have to fucking kill these people. United States is a dead institution.

and until we move past it, we're never going to get anywhere. But, like, what difference does it fucking make? I'm just, like, I would like to participate in my society again. Hmm. I feel kind of lucky to be British, which is one of the rare times I'll say that,

because we had our version of this last year, I want to say. I don't know. Time sort of turns into a blur when you start thinking about stuff like this. But either way, I had my kind of, of like three weeks of not going outside and then I sort of realized that I could do the you know the court has made their judgment now let them enforce it type thing um and just keep doing what I wanted now admittedly this is going to stop my you know professional sports career from taking off but uh you

know on a sort of personal level as as a kind of you know uh dedicated non-athlete it's just sort of like okay, there are lots and lots of ways that this can fuck every trans person over, including me, but I can kind of just keep going until it gets to an inflection point that affects me personally, which is not a great feeling to be running out the clock on,

but it's more time, I guess. Yeah, well, and the thing here is, like, this decision is going to be used to basically remove any legal protections we have, so discrimination in housing and employment and all that is going to be even more legal than it currently is, which it already fucking is, just ask any American trans person.

But also, like, the, the night after this decision came down, there was some fucking press release from the White House about Supreme Court rules with Trump to eliminate transgender insanity. And it's like fucking crickets from everybody. And it's just, it, like, I know that there are many, many problems going on in the U.S. right now. But the fact that this just attracts so little attention and nobody gives a shit is really just kind of like, it's jokerifying me, for lack of a better term. Like it just, I just feel like

what's going to, the best case scenario for liberals in this fucking country is that we get President Gavin Newsom. They continue to like legally eliminate us from the United States. And everybody is like, oh, it's fine now because like, you know, ice has like smiley faces drawn on their fucking balaclava's and, you know, we're quieter about it. And it's just like, Like, I, I, I fucking hate this institution. I hate this country. You should put a hundred people on the Supreme Court. That's your starting point.

Yes. Well, the other thing, of course, is that now that, you know, we're talking about a high school sports, you know, banning trans people entirely. It's, you, how are you going to tell who's trans? You know, this is, you know. Oh, mandatory. Minutal inspections.

I'm sure that's gonna go down wonderfully. I... This is, you know, it's in a field where there are already a lot of, you know, pedophiles. They're only being enabled by this. Yeah, the sort of like all sort of like high school athletes must post hog or pussy law is a huge loss for the transgender community. and a huge win for the pedophile community. I was about to say, yeah, this is, this is, this is gone, this has gone poorly overall.

So, yeah, I mean, I don't know, we need, yeah, as Victoria said, like 100 people on the Supreme Court. None of them should be cisgender. I also accept blood in the streets. Yep, me too. I mean, it's like, it's up to you all at this point. I don't give a fuck. either we'd have a second constitutional convention and remake the idea of what like America, well, I guess third, because 1787 was sort of one, but like we remake the idea of what America is and we like are very clear about who gets rights and who doesn't. And, you know, we need to like redefine our entire legal system or a bunch of people.

I don't give a fuck. I'm here for a bad time, not a long time. So it seems. Like, it wasn't really... Well, the first street tunnel is right there underneath the building, and there's no security lines to get onto Virginia Railway Express, is all I'm saying. Okay, yeah, I love the ending of VFA event, so we're all going to federal prison. No, please don't bomb the Supreme Court, or if you do, don't say you got the idea here. you can look at a Mac and figure that.

Yeah, Devin, I'm trusting a lot to the bleep here. I really am. Yeah, I'm so proud of you. I mean, we didn't even get into the fucking Prairie Land decision, so I don't know, is this worse or better than Z's? Oh, my fucking God. I, oh, that's the one that really got to me. That's just state.

It's, I feel like every single day. It's like, I look at my phone before I wake up, there's been three fucking abductions, like 20 miles from my house. It's just like, then I check the news and it's like, oh, cool, more, more endless humiliations, more people suffering. It's just like, and then it's, and then it's like deeply personal. You know, these people over shallow ditch, obviously, yeah. Yeah, I just, I don't know.

Please, please keep me out of federal prison. At the moment, you're in a sort of, we're in a sort of moment where it's like, well, because the Democrats don't give a shit about this, it's like, DSA is having some electoral victories, which is kind of cool. That's great. It's not a lot of consolation if you're in like. federal prison for 50 years for no reason. Sorry, I'm just really mad.

I've been in a bad mood all week. No, no, no, me too. Me too. This fucked me up for a long time. I had a bunch of people get mad at me because I wasn't humping the fucking flag for the U.S. men's soccer team. And I'm just like...

I can't a good conscience root for Belgium, but maybe I can root for the meteor. Yeah, there we go. I mean, I'm not asking... I would never ask anyone to root for Belgium. Let's be real here. but I just like I don't know I just

My position My position is very clear England are going to win We're not going to deserve it It's going to be the stupid as possible thing But we are going to win it It's coming home folks We're going to have to kill you, Rod

Sorry not You Well You know In other Hey Liam you're really quiet again Liam you're really really quiet Yeah

Oh am I No And now you're, now you're, no, now you're very sensual. Okay. Is that better? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. The political compass whose two axes are volume and sensuality.

Yes. Thank you. I think I feel insulted and praised. That's the best way to feel. Um, in other, in other news, how do I, oh, I gotta go back. Oh, Jesus. The fucking sound effect is fucking me up every side. Oh, okay, yeah, this is a real quick one from me.

So that is a picture that you see attached of the UK's new prime minister, Andy Burnham. Basically, Starma... No, that's Ian Brown of the Stone Roses, but it would be funny to make you believe it. I'm face-pline. I trust anything you tell me. So, Starma finally... out. I finally got to retweet all of those like Kirstama has resigned posts from 2016. Kirstama is in tears from 2022. All the good ones. He's out. I feel no great satisfaction over it now that it's so sad sometimes. Yeah. And so now they've replaced him with a like a version of him

that can like talk to people and appear to be human. And this one's deal is that he's from Manchester, which is like London except it's in the north. What do they have in Manchester? Manchester United. Oh, a lot of like music, like bars, small plates restaurants that do things a little differently. It's really a kind of place of the kind of city authentic movement that we've talked about. I mean, the main thing is I think that this means that the entire country is going to become like a kid from the southeast who goes to uni in Manchester and makes it their whole personality.

We're going to all be doing really inauthentic accents. We're going to be like trying to weave in bits of local slang. It's going to be horrible. And the worst part about it is on the day before he becomes prime minister, we're going to win the World Cup. So this is like... Oh, so we're just in full on delusion land, huh? Well, according to the Supreme Court.

If we had the first Philly president and he starts saying John all the time. Yeah, kind of. It's no, no, what it is, what it is it, it's like if you had the first Chicago president, you know, like with the kind of- We have a president, fuckers. Yeah. We do have a Chicago Pope. That's true.

Yeah, so, but, well, yeah, I guess we got a Chicago Pope, but then every, the world shifted significantly Chicago as a result. Yeah, I guess so, but I like that. I think that's a good thing. Like I always put in the slide about the pious, the 10th stuff, but like, no, it's like, you know how Chicago kind of has that like second city

chip on its shoulder sometimes? That's kind of Manchester. And we're going to, we're going to have to live in that world for, oh, at least three years now. Yeah, I mean, that's definitely the worst part because Manchester is definitely the third city after Birmingham.

So we are predicting, though, that he will outlast the cabbage? I believe so. Yeah, he's going to run into all of the same problems. Like, Starma, just as a fuck you, has handed him a like five billion pound deficit on defense spending just to fuck with him. But so he really can't do anything differently other than vibes. And the vibes still aren't good. Like, he's still one of the guys who, like, backtracked on trans rights.

He's still sort of like, we have to have controls on immigration. So as much as people want to fantasize about him being on the like soft left of the Labor Party, it's really just like there's a lot of kind of stuff where he's constrained to do all of the same reed things. And you know, it gives him six months. Everyone's going to hate him just as much as they hate Starman now. The Marie Gleusencamp Perez of Manchester. Ooh. Yeah.

I don't know. It would be funny for Andy Burnham to to start going in on like killing sea lions. I would be surprised, but you know, maybe he'll do it. I don't know. That's it. That's my burning bit. Yep, that's that's the new empty suit running Britain, folks.

That was the goddamn news. Oh wait, that wasn't even the one I was going for. He's not even really an empty suit. He's got the fetamin disease. Like he wears the fucking like black, black, T-shirt everywhere. I thought, they called them Stroke Snova. Mm.

Mm. Fetterman syndrome. And against all of the odds, John Fetterman got Fetteman syndrome. It's like Lou Gehrig's disease. All right, all right, folks. Enough laughter. Yeah, enough laughter. Let's get serious.

No, that doesn't happen on this podcast. Anyway, it's time to go to Italy, a very serious place. It's time to go to Italy, a very serious place. Yes, we're in Italy, not even normal Italy. No, we're going to southern Italy. We're going to Campania, right? Specifically, Campania. Campania.

You know, I, this is why I didn't, I, no, I have been here. I have no excuse. Napoli's Campania, okay and specifically Naples and it's neighboring conurbations which is a fun word and its suburbs, right?

In there, there's five provinces, there's Naples, there's oh boy, get through it. Yeah. We believe in you. You know, Ben. Inevento, Caserta, Salerno.

About 25% of all protected areas. Yeah, protected areas in Italy are in this region. Four state natural reserves, eight regional national parks, four regional national reserve, 106 sites of community interests, so and so forth. This is like a briefing from the Biden EPA. Yeah. So, anyway,

Campania's agricultural output is mainly fruit and vegetables, you know, which, yeah, that makes sense, yeah. Okay. They also have buffalo for mozzarella. I would assume this is where you get your nice San Mazzano tomatoes, you know, that you get in a can from the grocery store because you want to, you want to pay $5 more. That's what I do. Genuinely, I am stupid enough to believe that to get my wires crossed again and to believe, that Buffalo Monterella is called that because of upstate New York. I also get my wires.

No, I always think it's going to be, you know, it's going to have Frank's Red Hot in it. That's right, baby. Go Bills. Yeah, go Bills. Josh Allen is the future at some dragged off stage. But yeah, Campania is where... I see here in the incredibly comprehensive notes that this is like, this is where the mozzarella's from.

This is like 80% of the Monsoraleigh. It was from, yes. Yes. Okay. 324 traditional products, 28 certified products of protected designation of origin, right? That's when you look at the can of San Marzano tomatoes. It says DOP on it. That's how you know it's good.

Italy really abuses those. That's the thing. They've got like fucking thousands of them because of this kind of like gastro-nationalism. It's crazy. Yeah. And I buy all of them. I eat that shit up. Expression softening.

Ah, what the hell, brother. Pass me a product of protected designation of origin. Give me another fucking tomato, please. It's also one of the poorest regions in Italy, 21% of families living below the poverty line. Um, anyway. Jesus, there's no money in this mozzarella shit. We're going to find out why, November.

I just, I took, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, yeah, the, uh, the, uh, the, oh, that rules. Yeah, no, uh, uh, the circumvisuiana is a great way to get around, sort of Naples in the surrounding areas, tiny, shitty narrow gauge trains. They're all covered in graffiti. And for whatever reason, it's like, okay. yeah for every reason the uh the company's like okay you know that's just a free coat of paint we'll leave it like that oh the union pacific mentality yeah pretty much this is a nice nice view of uh vesuvius here from the railroad museum greatest railroad museum ever been to in naples and a stupid tweet i made when i was over there um about walkable streets because uh yeah this was i almost got run over here several times. I was playing hooky from the rest of my family because they were gone to the Vatican

Museum that day. I was like, no, I'm never going in that place again. It's hell on wheels, man. Yeah, I took the high-speed train down in Naples to go see the train museum. Okay, that rules, and I support that as a decision. However, it's really funny that every city you go to in Europe, you almost get run over and then post about it being like, oh, so much for the, like, for the like superior European urbanism and it's a photo you took in the middle of a traffic island where the traffic is going 70 miles an hour. Yes. Yes. November, I, yes, you understand me completely. I I did almost get hit by a car when I went to Paris too, so I'm kind of sympathetic to this.

I managed to have a bad time biking in Amsterdam. Both of your problems are. That you hang out with not just bikes too much. Right. And so you think that like, oh, Europe, we've like conquered the car. And so you go to a society that's 5% less car-centric than America. And you think because there are only three lanes of traffic instead of five, you can walk across it and just get hit by every car.

No, no, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I had a different opinion in Prague. No, I had a different experience in Prague because there I was almost getting murdered by trams. Ooh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, that's what we strive for.

Oh, yeah. No, love a tram. Yeah, yeah. Oh, they were all old Soviet trams. It was great. Anyway. So there's this thing, the Neapolitan conurbation, right? This is genuinely like a strange piece of urban development, right?

you know there was no like coordinated planning as you might see in other places so there's like apartment buildings next to like an orchard or a vineyard or a farm field and there's a factory next to that right and there's some single family houses there's a villa there's you know it's just build build anything anywhere no one gives a shit right it's all in the shadow a huge volcano that could explode at any time and kill people. And you got, you know, Naples in the south. You've got, what is it, Caserta in the north, right? There's also like a bunch of old volcano craters.

Those will be relevant later. Why'd you draw Among Us? Oh, fuck. What's us possibly? See, I know that you're so pure of heart that that's entirely unintentional. Next slide. So here's a diagram stolen from Wikipedia where we talk about waste disposal infrastructure. God, it looks like the military power points.

It's very, you know, actually, if you look at it for a bit. Thinking about Tony Soprano frowning at this? He doesn't have to look at it. This is like something he hands to, what's his name? The young guy. Christopher Maltesanti, the author of the greatest line in all of screenwriting. Yes, he makes him read it. He also doesn't understand it.

What is the greatest line of all... Fucking do I, mate. It's when he's writing his mob spec script and he has a beautiful woman talk to the version of him. And she's like, beautiful woman, thank you. And he says, I must be loyal to my capo, but he miss spells loyal. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Shit. So we as humans use and dispose of a lot of shit. we produce waste. What happens after you, a regular citizen, put the bins out? Oh, I send it to New Jersey where it belongs. No, no, we sent it to Trenton, Liam. I thought we sent it to Chester.

Do we send it to Chester? Isn't that where the big incinerator is? That might be where the big incinerator. It goes off of the map where you use a sort of slider to make a deal with the mayor of that city that they take your garbage and you pay them. No, no, no. There was a guy who did a SimCity 4 mod

that fixed this, so that you actually just push it off the edge of the map, and it falls down into the void. So anyway, the wonderful world of waste management is what happens, right? Most waste that people are familiar with is municipal solid waste, right? That's the stuff that you yourself throw out, right? So that could be, I don't know,

what did everyone throw out yesterday? I threw out a bunch of stuff. You too. Like, if it's me, it's probably like 80 different shoeboxes from pairs of shoes that I bought that don't fit well. I went to a museum nearby, the Burke Museum, which is at the UW campus. and they have a section on like human landfill waste,

and it kind of filled me with a sense of sort of Protestant guilt about the amount of waste that I generate as a human being. So I think about and feel bad about basically everything I throw away, and it's a ton of shit. What Protestant guilt? Do they make that? I don't know. It's like the kind of ambient American sort of I feel bad because I'm here. I personally went and cleaned out my fridge

and got rid of a few scientists. experiments in there, including no, no, this was really bad. There was some, I went to, I went to Handy Nasty recently. Of course. Right. What?

I'm sorry. Keep going. Han Dynasty. It's a really great Chinese restaurant, but everyone calls it handy nasty. You're welcome. Put that all my tube stone, Ross. It's like, wow, you're pretty. ride month went crazy.

She left a container. I left a container of leftovers in the fridge for like the week I was in Prague. I came back and it started fermenting. I opened up the container. It was the whole apartment was overwhelmed. And I threw it out. It's no longer in my life anymore. It has gone into the municipal solid waste street.

I don't want to tell people to glamorize my life too much, but like do not ask for a beer and a podcaster's house because you will open the fridge and something will bark at you and it'll be in a plastic container probably. Yeah. No, the worst part about that was it had such a strong vinegar smell that I was like, damn, if I left this five years, I'd get some great fish sauce out of it or something, you know?

But anyway. I'll just go ahead and reach in there and grab yourself a thousand-year egg, it's fine. Yeah. It's like sometimes, sometimes the mental health gets a bit much for me, and sometimes what that leads to is, let's say, an inadvertent experiment in home pickling, right? It's not the worst thing in the world. You just have to suit up in the full CBRN suit and throw it out,

and then it becomes Tony Sopranos problem. Well, this is how this is how pickled food originated. It was depressed people. We've always been here. So anyway, yeah, this becomes part of the municipal solid waste stream, right? You know, so people produce a lot of this, dense urban areas produce a lot of this and that's why, you know, you need systems to handle it, right? They're very, they're expensive, but you know, we can do things to reduce the impact, right?

So, yeah, doing this stuff in the best study case practice can be very expensive, which this is a literary technique known as foreshadowing, right? Hmm. But costs a lot of money to separate out the like recyclables from the handy, nasty containers that, you know, I sort of like might bite you if you put your hand too near them. I actually, I actually saved the container. But I got rid of my food in it. Because it's one of those nice like port containers and like I need more of them.

You can just buy those, man. We have the money. Yeah, but I have to go all the way to Chinatown for that. I will buy you some. All right. So I'm now getting, now getting insight and maybe the listener is too, on why the podcast is so often disrupted by sickness. I put it through the dishwasher, it's fine.

Like, here's the thing, right? I don't want people to start thinking, well, like, four Asmon Golds here, right? Like, we, it's fine. You can use those things like four or five times. I, like, sometimes I get very, very depressed and in my head, and then the room turns into the sort of, like, garbage dimension for a bit, and then I get out of the depression, and I clean it. And I sort of think to myself, you know, my, like you say, Victoria, we've always been here.

So I'm like, my ancestors are smiling on me, neurotypical. Can you say the same? But like, once it's clean, it's fine. I'm not reusing the fucking experimental test bed, beaker fucking Erland Meyer flask. No, the Erlandmire flask is somewhere else in the apartment. Yeah, I don't know where that is. Also, like, aren't this not designed to be reused? Are you like a test bed for how much BPA a person can take?

You could use them four or five times. It's fine. I'm not dead yet. I think we're operating on a real sort of program of like, fuck the microbiome. I'm the macro biome and I'm the macroplastics. So like, I'll do what the fuck I want. Exactly, exactly. So this diagram here, you have like in a theoretical framework, right?

How do you dispose of waste? You know, you have the best ways to do it up here. You have the worst ways to do it down here. You know, okay, we're reducing, right? We are doing prevention. Do we need to get the stuff that we're going to throw out? You know, are we doing less stuff than we might otherwise need, right? or you reuse, which everyone was just making fun of me for.

Right. You know, can you can you sell stuff to other people who might need to use it, right? Probably not that container, no. No, no, I wouldn't sell it to someone because it's probably only got four uses on it now. But yeah. Eventually, you know, we go down to like, okay, stuff is now. actual waste. Do you remember, do you remember the time we learned about Nova's computing setup?

This is how I feel about how you use food containers. I was late to start recording today because I had to turn my computer on for the first time in like 50 years and it took too long and it had like mandatory updates and shit. So I've been confirmed in my belief that I should just leave this running all the time. The room is quite clean, though. So I'm taking credit. I also do that. Oh, my room is quite clean for the first time in a very long time. Um, because, uh, I threw a whole bunch of shit out. Um, I didn't do it. Riley did it.

Uh, thank you to Riley. Um, not Riley from Trash Future, other Riley who's not on social media. Yeah, Riley, Mark, Riley from Trash Future came to Philadelphia, cleaned out your apartment and then left. And then left, exactly. Um, so let's say, yeah, you're there clutching your, you're like, like emotional support takeout container, just like, no, I need it. It's one of those nice standardized court containers. They all fit nicely into each other. Anyway, let's say you use that four or five times.

It's waste now, right? Anyway. You're a horrifying human being. Yeah. So it's waste, right? You know, and you can maybe recycle it Or you can say you recycle it. A lot of plastic recycling is fake.

That's a different episode, right? Or it goes to, you know, the bottom of the chart here, you dump it, right? Disposal. It goes to the landfill or it gets incinerated, right? Incineration, of course, can produce energy, but it also creates ash. That goes to the landfill. The landfill produced nasty stuff like leach. we'll talk about later, right?

Which that's a whole thing right there, right? So this is at the least favored end of the reduce, reuse, recycle, schedule, right? You know, this is, stuff winds up in landfills, but there's a lot of ways to avoid that. And that's what this big, complicated defense chart is about. It says you can use that standardized takeout container four or five. five times before you really gotta throw it out. Anyway. But yeah, you wanna divert stuff from the landfill.

That's the end of the slide right there. Now, stuff does go to the landfill. I like the smiley faces where it's just like happy, neutral, and then three times dissociating, which is kind of how I've been lately. Yeah. I gotta go to the bathroom. Uh-oh. Oh, good.

Oh, we're an hour and a word. Oh, boy. It's gonna be a lot. Hold it. This is going to be a doozy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is,

this is why I was going to, I was, I was going to really try. Sam. Sam has created a year-long episode. It's fine. I can still be doing this, this time next year.

Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Damn, here I was planning a three-part extravaganza. And Sam might have just done it. for us. A three-part extravagantia is like some shit that we all did in union. Isn't it just weed?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a weed joke. I say that I'm stealing valor. I smoked weed one time in my life. Yeah, I'm not a big weed guy. I always like to cocaine and alcohol. And prescription.

Oh, yeah. The gentleman's choice. Thank you, November. I was not good at weed. Are we back? Yeah. Oh, shit. Whistle my kiss. God damn.

Very, very quick, yeah. Okay. So the first thing we've got to talk about here. That's incredible. Look at that stream. Well, I've seen a racehorse piss. It's a strong stream, but it still takes a long time. There's a lot of volume to dispose of.

Look, there are some upsides not having had GRS yet, and part of it is that you get to go quicker. It's an efficiency thing. So if I ever pursue my dream career being a, like, LeMalle driver, I can, I can have faster pit stops. Kids are just going the suit. Getting like, Gendi euphoria, because it's like, yeah, I'm not getting, I'm not getting Boston surgery so I can use the pilot relief tube on an A10 cockpit. Wasn't that that Isabel Fall story? Yeah, kind of.

Also, it surprises me how few people know that a lot of, a lot of planes just have like a like a piss tube that you can just piss into in the cockpit. Crazy work. Anyway. So let's talk about landfills. It's the oldest, most common form of waste disposal, right? Throw it in the trash, baby.

Yeah, throw it in a hole. Take your municipal waste, put it in a big hole, maybe a big pile, right? They're not that great as a disposal system, right? But there's ways you can manage it. You know, you can do like remediation after it's full. You can limit how much stuff leeches out of the landfill to the limit like the various, you know, toxic elements in there that leach out in the environment.

But you can also have very bad landfills, which is what this episode's about. So one of the major issues is something called leach it, right? Or leachate, excuse me. And leachate is, you know, just it's the garbage juice, right? Everyone knows garbage juice. No. Yeah, the bag splits and you're wearing like open-toed shoes. Yeah, we're aware.

Yeah, yeah. Or it's like, you know, fucking, it's the three-week-old, handy, nasty. Oh, my God, why is it wet? That's a disfavorable set of words. Yeah, no, no, you don't want that. You don't want that in the, you don't want that in the groundwater, right? Because it hasn't fermented for five years and turned into a delicious sauce. What is this liquid?

Well, it used to be a salad dressing from a Czech restaurant called Dommy Handjob, and now it's like, I don't know what it is. So, so. If that soaks into the ground, it gets into the groundwater and then it gets into the groundwater and then it gets sucked up into like someone's well or something, which is not good because then they're drinking it, right? That's bad. Yeah. Why does this water taste like Ben? Yes.

And if you have a good landfill, you have some kind of impact. penetrable liner on the bottom. Impenetrable is relative, but a lot of times this is some kind of like plastic liner, you know, which is going to just sit there, you know, hopefully forever, right, in order to stop. It's a beautiful American flag blue. Yes, exactly. No, no, that one didn't work. You need something better than that.

Oh, crap. I didn't mean to switch the slides. Anyway. But yeah. Oh, crap. where was I? So you need the liner, right? You still need monitoring of the liner, you know, to make sure that stuff isn't leaching down into the aquifer, right? Because these things are supposed to last basically forever. You got to remember they are not so different from like a

trash bag though, right? They are, they're kind of thin plastic liners usually, right? They can leak, right? They also have gas, right? Mm. There's all kinds of nasty fermenting stuff in there, and that is mostly producing methane, right? Natural gas, right? You also got CO2, of course, from the fermentation process, right? And at the bottom, I don't know.

This is both like a kind of jar of kimchi and like an instant pot. This is troubling. I don't like thinking of the garbage casserole. It does get very hot in there a lot of the times, yeah. I don't like that you said the sentence garbage casserole to me. Don't don't really like that. I'm not gonna lie in a warm dish? I'm no, garbage plate.

That's Rochester, New York. Yeah, I was about to say, what if you made a garbage blade into a casserole. That sounds like that sounds like a talk. No, that'd be really good. I thought you were joking. Yeah. A garbage plate? Garbage blade, yeah.

I mean, I can't judge. I'm from the land of the munchy box. It's, uh, what is. Baby? Yeah, no, yeah, no. This is a podcast about upstate New York now. Fucking Buffalo, you have all of that mozzarella and you just like insist on doing something called a garbage plate instead. Oh yeah, it's really fucking good actually.

It's really good. Got some pasta salad, you got the, the chili, you got the whitehots on top, you got the ketchup and mustard. What else is? There's fries, I think. Okay. I like the other thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, fuck. Good news. I still got six and a half hours left. Yeah, we're all going to, we're all going to, you know, we have enough podcast left that we can all go to Rochester and get one. Nova's going to have another birthday in the course of this episode. Six, six and a half hours with like a four second lag. And I'm just, I'm just making it work. I'm just.

So anyway, you know, one thing you can do with all that gas, right, is you can recover it, right? And, well, ideally you, especially with methane, at the very least you want to burn it because it's less significant greenhouse gas if you burn it. But you can also collect that heat energy to drive a turbine, right? And then you get electricity. Ooh. Or grok. You get grog. Yeah.

Some of us fondly remember the garbage to energy plant in SimCity is the highest level of civilization. Yes. Yes. We'll talk about those in a bit. There's a fun Italian word for them, which we'll get to. Ooh. But that's a preview of. coming attractions.

So yeah, you know, these are ways you can manage the landfill to make it less harmful. But you know, these things usually they smell. They look pretty bad. They're, they can be noisy. They attract pests. You know, there's a lot of like, you know, what eats garbage, you know, rats. Birds, birds do. And then like Dutch couples go and take photographs of the birds and they get hunter virus.

Oh, shit, we completely missed that. I don't know. That's just a full force. A thing that happened is like... That thing entirely happened, yeah. Yeah. These are things that usually happen in bad landfills as opposed to well-managed ones, but all of them have an issue, which is that they have a limited capacity.

They're eventually full, right? And then they require some future remediation. You know? here here's a quote here in 1999 the European Union has issued the landfill directive 1999

slash 33 slash EC aiming to divert waste from landfilling in particular member states have been forced to introduce national strategies to cut down biodegradable municipal waste BMW that's a hell of a slight against that company

addressed to landfills the Nazis fuck up yeah thank you Thank you, Sam. Very cool. Without that, I would never have known. Yes. So, anyway, remediation can actually be pretty successful, right,

to the point where old or abandoned landfills are repurposed as parks, right? One famous example, which is under construction right now, is Fresh Kills Park in Staten Island, which replaced the Fresh Kills landfill, right? Or pictured here is the famous Mount Trashmore in Virginia Beach. Hell yeah. Okay, sure. I mean, I love how lumpy every remediated landfill is because it makes me imagine like a nomadic

warrior being like, you know, what mighty king is buried under this and it's just like 50 years of Laboobos. Yeah, no, it's full of, it's full of, it's full of, you know, it's full of, you know, what mighty king is buried Pea man action figures. It's a cairn for Funko Pops. This is where they buried all those copies. I mean, it is kind of like a rich tradition, right, to like inter your most sort of sacred and valuable figures

in sort of like artificial hills. And I think that, you know, what's better to exemplify the values of a capitalist society than a mound of garbage? Yeah, I mean, when I'm dead, throw me in the trash. Already ahead of you. That's where we put the plastic, our most honored commodity. Oh, that's a good point, yeah.

But we're not talking about successful landfills. Here are some pictures of the landfills we're talking about today in Campania, right? Oh, God, there's more Italian words. Oh, bye. Yeah. Giuliano and Santa Maria della Fossa. Giuliano. And Santa Maria de la Faso, which sounds like a beautiful church you're supposed to visit and get an indulgence.

No, it's a landfill. It's a beautiful land for you visit and get a hunter virus. Juliano landfill is, I almost said lawnfill like it was a town. Juliano landfill was notable because about a decade ago, Italian authorities evicted a bunch of Roma people and forced them to live next to it. It's a shitty thing to do. Yeah, that tracks. That tracks sort of average European reaction to Roma people is to become turbo-headle.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yep. Yep, I know. Yeah. South and central Italian provinces often have a landfill disposal rate above average prior to adopting the aforementioned 1999 EU landfill directive, 82% of Italy's biodegradable municipal waste was sent to landfills.

This is in 1995. Put it in the hole. I'm not going to do an Italian accent, but like just put it in the hole. And you know what else? But all the room of people next to the hole. I insist that you do the accent. Oh, I put that my garbage in the hole. I put that garbage in the hole.

I'm sorry to. I'm not. No, it gets worse later on. Uh-huh, uh-huh. No, I guess it gets worse later on. I discriminate against ethnic minorities. Now, now you might think, or you could think, or for some reason, a lot of people think. This is because of some special thing about southern Italy.

but no, production of waste per capita in southern Italy is not higher than that of the rest of Italy, right? Now, would be funny if it was. It would be funny if like Neapolitans were just throwing stuff out for fun, just like buying it just to throw it away. Like to me, in my culture, the greatest pleasure you can have is throwing something in the garbage. So I just buy some Labubos and throw them in the garbage every day. What you're describing is me over the past three weeks. Me over the last couple of years, to be honest. So the other thing you can do with municipal waste is set it on fire.

Yeah, yeah, it's a good idea. Preferably this is done in a proper incinerator, right? So this is... Why have they made this build? out of construction paper? That's a good question. I think we get back to that later. This is the Asara incinerator in 2019.

This is not a very good incinerator, right? You may notice there's big piles of garbage here. Probably shouldn't have that afterwards. It's more of a yard that happens to have a couple of smokestacks, maybe. Pretty much, yeah. incineration is pretty good for municipal solid waste and solid residue from wastewater treatment, which is, that's a fun one. Ugh.

Yeah, no, they ship big blocks of poop to incinerators and burn them. God. God, damn. Okay, sure. I'm never complaining about my job ever again. Imagine the worst derailment ever created. No, there was a case a few years. years ago, a town in Georgia had a train full of blocks of poop that was stuck in a yard

for several weeks. And it was unpleasant, unpleasant. I mean, we have... Hold on a second. Hold on a second. This is important to me to know. How long on a side is one of these cubes? Are we talking like centimeters, meters?

Like, what are we talking about? I'm pretty sure it's those... It's those trash cars, right? Like they're just, they're like the size of a cargo container. No, no, no. There's a specific type of container they use, at least in the United States. If you ever see a train with these containers that say Epic on the side, that's full of poop cubes. About to about to do the least fruitful train theft in history?

Yeah, no, that would be, that would be pretty bad if you did. Don't, don't, don't steal from those trains. You're going to regret it. Anyway. You're going to have a bad time. Can't have a shitty, shitty time. The second worst thing to train jack next to the nuclear missile car. So anyway, anyway, you're incinerating municipal solid waste and poop, right?

And that reduces the volume of solid waste by like 80 to 95 percent, right? Right. So this is, this is, okay, so I actually, um, uh, editorialized here a bit. Um, so the Italian word for waste to energy as a concept is thermo valizatorator. Termo valetzerator. Also like, termo velaritzator. I don't speak. Valorite setor. Yes. But there's this word thermovalorizer, which I believe is also only used as a concept. That just means waste to energy because you're, it's interesting because like you're valorizing the waste and like Marxist sense.

You're turning it into a new commodity, you know, or you know, so anyway. This is why this is why Gramshy was a town. It is a fun thing to say. I got to start. We got to bring that. Termovalitator. Termovalitzzatore. Anyway, so here's the termovalaritzatorre.

I'd like the pasta terma valeritecatore, please. Oh, you want a garbage plate. Of course. Oh, of Italian immigrants into Buffalo. Rochester, but yeah. So if you do this incineration process properly, this is a very clean and efficient operation, actually. This is the big incinerator for Alexandria, Virginia, right? Which is right near where I went to high school, right?

It processes loads and loads of waste. Everything in Virginia looks like the CIA. Yeah, yeah. That's true. You know, they process loads of waste each day. No one even knew it was there, right? Plus, you know, this process incineration is actually very good at recovering metal from the waste stream because metal doesn't burn, right?

So you just get a pile of ash and metal and use a big magnet and you separate that out. Get free metal, right? And it generates electricity, which is fun. We'll talk about generating electricity in the next slide. but yeah, I mean, incineration, you know, even though it's on the least favored in the reduce, reuse, recycle, you know, sort of chain there, it's still, it works pretty good. Now, sometimes if you're doing recycling, especially if you're doing it for profit, especially if you're doing it specifically to generate electricity, you want to do some treatments to the waste beforehand, right? how we get to something called, and this is, I think, more of an EU thing

because the Alexandria one, they just let you drive up and dump your waste at the incinerator and they take it. But in the EU, everything's more complicated. Refuse-derive fuel, right? In the form of eco-bails, right? These are Machi-rolls.

These are, like, yeah. That's a big fucking seaweed plant, yeah. So refuse incineration is treated as a renewable source of energy under Italian law, and as such is heavily subsidized by the government under European Union law, however, it is not categorized as renewable. You got to do some real fraud. The Italian government for it. Also, also, looking at all of these big marque rolls and I'm like, me, why am I sick?

And then smash cut to the sushi that I ate earlier and it looked like this. Yeah. Um, it cost about 70 euros per, I'm going to assume this is megawatt hour and not megawad. Megawatt hour of energy. Jesus Christ. Yeah, produced in 2009. Now, with these things, you have to produce a certain amount of energy when you burn them, and there's rules about what can go into refuse, derived fuel, so on and so forth.

Fucking Italians and their protected designations of origin, you know, it's like, oh, it's going to only have like four ingredients. Yeah, cardboard and... Shit, what else would go up? Cardboard plastic and olive oil. No. Yeah, cardboard, plastic, olive oil and labubes. Yeah, exactly. So you need a maximum humidity of 15%, right?

You know, you don't want too much water content because you want to ensure your energy returned on investment, your EROI. Yeah, you can't have a wet marquee roll, sure. if yeah exactly because if it's too humid right you use more energy to burn the fuel than it produces because a lot of times these incinerators they have to be assisted with like you know natural gas you know burners and stuff like that over here in the united states we don't really care about that but this is europe where they care about stuff so this beautiful canesianism where it's like the

government pays you to burn garbage in a way that is actually more expensive. So if you if there's yeah, if there's too much water in there, you know, you use more energy to burn it than it produces. You just lose, you lose money. Well, not quite because people pay you to take the waste. But, you know, there's also limits on contaminants, you know, mercury, arsenic, so on and so forth. Um, Boy, this is a big long, long one. The Italian industrial property code adopted in 1992. This is, okay.

SIP-6, right, favors the production of electricity through renewable and assimilated energy with public money, right? This latter category, assimilated energy refers to any, energy production method based on energy recuperation. For instance, incineration. Okay? Right? You want renewable and, you know, stuff that's used, stuff that's made with waste. Yeah.

The Italian government decides that this is renewable energy, so they're going to subsidize it for you, right? Well, it's pretty renewable. People aren't going to stop making garbage. They're going to throw stuff out forever. Yeah. Yeah. So producers of this energy can sell the electricity at a higher rate than that of non-renewable sources,

and the difference in price is paid by a tax that every citizen pays on their electricity bill. And this SIP-6 code enabled increased production of this assimilated energy, specifically from incineration favoring the consensual. of these big RDF incineration plants across the country. Yeah. Anyway. If I wanted to be cynical, and I'm not going to jump the gun on the sort of point of the episode, but if you told me that there's a line item in my tax thing that's like,

this is going to pay for burning the garbage, then I would probably go to the government as a good conscientious citizen and be like, I am a term of valor de laxiazzarato or whatever. effort, and so is my wife, money, please. Yeah. And I would say, I know my rights and burn my garbage in a barrel in the backyard. I would be right there with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And so long as I'm burning the barrel, it's like, legally speaking, I am a producer of

renewable energy and I will be taking some of that subsidy, man. Exactly, exactly, yeah. Give me that, give me those subsidies. I want to burn trash. Give me that trash. I'm going to burn it. I'm going to burn your trash. You're going to be so happy.

You won't have the trash anymore and I'll have it and I'll burn it. It'll be great. It'll be so good. So anyway, who else had that idea? Well, we got to talk about a group called the Mafia. Oh, by. Right? You come to me on the day of my daughter's new podcast release

and ask me to do a voice over for money. Anyway. I feel like that line was for Garris, you know. So the mafia is a non-specific catch-all term for a variety of mostly Italian. Sam capitalized those. Mostly Italian, organized crime groups, right? So you have the Sicilian mafia, we all know that, the Costa Nostra, one of the most, you know, the family that's most commonly referred to as the mafia,

but these organizations are also regionally specific, right? In Campania, it's the Camara. Yes, yeah. Yeah. And they date back to the 18th century. They're one of the oldest and largest organized crime groups in Italy. It's divided into clans. And the clan,

we're primarily focusing on is the, oh boy, the Casillasi? The Casalesi. Casalasi, okay, okay. These are our Tony Sopranos. Okay, good, good. I just want them to be familiar. I really enjoy how this specific crime organization dates back to the foundation of our country. And before, modern Italy, because I was 18.

We have been doing crimes for like far, far longer than the United States has existed. Yeah. Technically more legitimate than anything Vittorio Emmanuel could have come up with. That's tasty. I like that. So, yeah, from Castle de Precipe. Principi, anyway. Trimici Bay, I think.

Yeah, it's northwest of Naples, southwest of Caserta. The Casillase clan is heavily involved in the cement and milk industries, hopefully not combining those. Oh, you don't want to get those trucks mixed up. I was about to say, you know,

you're going to... Yeah, septic... Cassellic milk and cement. Not same truck. Yeah, not same truck. Yeah, exactly. Not same truck, yeah. I mean, you're going to really throw off the water cement ratio if you use milk instead.

As well as the international drug trade, right? You know? It's doing the sort of Yamaha meme where it's like, well, I want my cement. I want my milk. If only there was somewhere, I could get my heroin. You're not going to believe that. No, this is like the old-fashioned, like, you know, they cut the milk with, you know, flour. They do it with cocaine here.

It makes the milk cheap. No, it doesn't do that, excuse me. Cutting my cement with cocaine in order to make a structure that falls down way quicker and is also incredibly expensive. Hey, that's how they built the 250 World's Fair fucking fake arches. That one needle tower off of Central Park as well. Yeah. Sam put a note here. I'm cheating with the Sopranos images because the mob slash the American Mafia slash the Costa Nostra are totally uninvolved with this.

Instead, the Costa Nostra, the civilian Sicilian mafia, we're apparently really into building super corrupt wind farms. I love infrastructure. How do you do like a, how do you get a kickback from the wind? Like, does, boss, we made a windmill that don't turn. Real sexy like you like it. At a certain point, it's more impressive to have a wind farm that doesn't work. It's the woke mafia. In the mafia, in the mafia corruption labs, guys in like, with like gold chains in lab coats

trying to come up with ways of inventing wind power that doesn't work so they can cheat the state. and it requires a lot of theoretical visits. I'm imagining there's like a bunch of like different mobs that are like doing different elemental scams. You get the wind mafia. You got, you know. Yeah, the fire nation. Yeah, the water mafia.

They made a deal with Poseidon to make title power plants work better. You know, you got the, yeah, exactly, wind nation, fire nation. What are the other ones? Earth. Earth, water, heart. I don't know. Captain Planet, but one of the... One of the nations in Avatar is just the mafia is a great bit.

That was just Legend of Cora. Yeah, fuck it was. They had the Mafia, Legend of Cora. Fake lesbian. Sorry, you were beaten by about 15 years. Yeah. So the Camorra really benefit from the 1980, Epinio earthquake, right?

This is a big fucking earthquake, right? Moment magnitude of 6.9, maximum mercali intensity of 10. That, I think, mercali intensity, what is Mercalian intensity? I should look this up. Yeah, shit. I mean, it does, it could say tenor, it could say X for extreme. Oh. Hold on.

It's way scarier if it's an alphabetical scale. Oh yeah, that's true. Uh, it is. The effects. Okay, so that's, uh, like, it measures the intensity of shaking at any particular location. Okay. Right. Anyway, I'm working through this with the rest to y'all. Be patient.

Anyway. It's a big fucking earthquake. It's very bad, right? And after this, the region is flooded with public money, right? For recovery efforts. And because, and reconstruction. And because of this, there's not a lot of sort of oversight, right? Um, sounds about right.

So in Oh wait, fuck, who owns the concrete industry? Hmm. Who owns the milk industry? Yeah. Amphetamines. So in the Kasselasi clan

had a monopoly on the local market of concrete provision and land movement, which I think a land movement here means excavation, right? Or that also means they're the guys. And they're the guys you call. Yeah. And that also means they're key stakeholders in land planning and use in the region, right? So it's estimated that of $40 billion spent on reconstruction about $6.4 billion end up in the pockets of the Camara, right? I mean, that's that's that's.

That's bad, but it's not as bad as I was expecting. I was expecting that $40 billion just to go directly to, like, the mob. Yeah, this actually sounds like a good deal right about now. I was about to say, you know, I'm surprised there's that many non-mob construction firms. It takes that fucking long and that much money to do environmental review in Seattle. Like, this seems fine. Fuck it. What's the Seattle mob called?

They pretend they care about orcas in as a pretense to block every new apartment being constructed in the city because it has we have to cut down trees to make space and they're like, well, it's going to kill all the orcas because dense housing and fewer tire particulates are obviously going to be what, uh, what kills. Oh yeah. I'm not even joke. I'm so fucking mad. We had we had a fucking, uh, consortium of wealthy homeowners that were intentionally trying to block. helicopters from landing at a children's hospital for children in intensive care because it interfered with their peace and quiet. I am sympathetic to that as someone who grew up near a hospital.

As I said, I thought many a day about sitting on my roof with an RPG 7. Fuck them kids. No, no, no. As someone who grew up around Washington, D.C., fuck them helicopters. Fuck them kids. But it was for children's kids. Just do Photoshopping, photoshopping you and Liam into like an old photo of the Taliban with a Stinger missile on a mountain signs, about to shoot down a life flight.

I would set up a toll, I would say, show me a picture of the kid and determine if the kid is cute enough that I would want to deal with the helicopter. On like a case-by-case basis, whether the thing is urgent enough to annoy you. Yeah, pretty much. Well, those, I get that. I think we're all, we're all sick of the sick kids like playing the system, right? Like, you know, they're riding high on the hog. They think they're just because they have cancer or whatever, that they're better than me

and that they get to like ride in the helicopter. I don't get to ride in the helicopter, so what the fuck? It's time to stop having sympathy for kids. And that's why I am taking this opportunity. to say, join the IDF. No, sorry. Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus.

All right, all right, all right. Back to reality here. So why is the mob involved in like construction, right? the mob is supposed to do like crime crimes right you know shooting people leaving the gun taking the canoli um you know uh gaba cool yeah things of this nature yeah things of that nature no um it's much easier and much safer to do things like illegal construction than it is to like murder people and traffic drugs. Yeah, as a state, consider these to be like nerd crimes rather than cool crimes,

which means you go to like nerd prison. Exactly, exactly. It's like, oh my God, you didn't get the permits. And it's like, well, I have a gun. And then if they get you, you get to be the one jock in nerd prison. Exactly, exactly. I'm the king of the nerds. I'm the king of the nerds.

Your first day in nerd prison, one of the nerd gangs comes up to you, they're like, you know, menacingly running their slide rules. You show up, you got a TI 89, you smuggled in. I'm through with your shit. It's like, no, obviously you don't condone this kind of discrimination out and like, real life, but like nerds and dorks, they're like separate in prison, you know, because they're different gangs. Yes.

Yeah. And it's different gangs. Yeah. They got a pencil smuggling ring. They got... The guy who joins the nerd brotherhood in prison, he's got like a big tattoo of Dilbert on his chest. It comes in with like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like. you know, 20 Taekondroga number two shoved up his ass.

Ow! Jesus. No, that would be pretty bad, yeah. God, down. You wouldn't even have to change the myth for like nerd John Wick. He still could have killed two guys with an pencil. I love when the derangement starts to take hold. Hi, it's Justin. So this is a commercial for the podcast that you're already listening to.

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glasses and say to him, pie is exactly three. Arizona says it's regards just stabbing a guy to death of like a real life CS go dagger or something. I don't know, man. So through these constructions, Construction and land dealings. The castle of the style of like sagging your pocket protector, that actually came out of prison because when they issued you one, it was like really poorly fitting. They wouldn't let you have a pen cap because you might use it as a shiv, so everyone's

got an ink stain on it. It's through construction and land dealings that the Casillese ended up embedded within the Campan municipal administration, which gives them the power to influence public works projects and contracts, ensuring the work went to Camorra controlled companies. Yeah, sure. You start awarding the contracts to yourself and you work it from both ends. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So how did the Casillese clan move into illegal waste management? And most sources say it dates back to the 1980s, right? In the early 1980s, this is a lot of highlighting. Oh. Yeah, I highlighted all the quotes because I don't know from which article they're from. And I was like, I should probably summarize these guys instead of like, I've gone one. I don't want to read them directly. because then I'll wind up in a H-bomber guy video. We signed our sources.

This is a year one of college type thing where it's like you end up highlighting the entire page to prove that you've read it. And what about it? I was going to summarize this and then I had to go to the police station instead. What? Oh, because of the RPG.

They were trying to put you in nerd jail. No, I actually had a, I had a 10 out of 10 experience with law enforcement today. I was going to go pick up some, what you might call it, parking lane closure signs from the Philadelphia Police Department for a friend who's moving in, right? And I was like really pissed off that I had to do that. I've been pissed off about it for a while. And I thought I was going to have to go there and wait in the line and like do all this crap. I was getting close to the police station. It was so fucking hot out. I had been walking a long time. It's really hot out right now, by the way. It's like 105 degrees. And

and I go up to the police headquarters and it's like, oh, shit, there's a metal detector and everything. I was apoplectic. I had been working myself up so long about this. I was just really mad and I go down in there. And the guy asked me what I'm here for. And I was like, I'm getting parking lane closure signs. He was like, you have the permit. Yes, I do. And he was like, oh, yeah, like the great billing, Vol, he says, here's your sign, just hands them to me. And I was like,

and then he was like, do you need some string to hang them up? I was like, yeah. And I was like, well, shit, that was way easier than I thought it was going to be. I'd been mad for two days for nothing. That is the most rawst thing I've ever heard in my life, frankly. Other than, oh, I'm not as bad as I thought, On the appropriate level of bad, fuck.

Yeah. Oh, you hate the police. Well, let's see how you feel when someone hands you a sign you need. Hands me a sign I need like very promptly, like a 30 second interaction. Okay. Anyway, that was my experience with municipal government today. Very convenient and quick and, you know, and courtee. And helpful.

And helpful, yeah. Do you want me to have a go at summarizing this? like just on the off the dome. Yeah. Okay, because I've been reading this while you were telling your like cop story. So basically like, getting canceled because I like Cops now actually. Who doesn't, right?

But say you're an Italian company, right? You make the most heartbreakingly beautiful typewriters or like coffee cans or whatever the fuck it is in the world. Okay. Sophia Loren is advertising your product, but you still generate a lot of waste, right? and you have like a legal obligation to dispose of it and you can't just like throw it in a ditch, right? So what you do is you know a guy and that guy knows a guy. The DOC waste.

Yeah, exactly, right. And so like, you know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy with a Neapolitan accent, who will like take care of it for less and you don't ask so many questions, right? I like Neapolitan. And yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, like, pretty soon this gets to be a thing all over Europe, even out to like Germany is, uh, you're German, you run the company that makes machines that make machine parts that make machine parts and you send all of the fucking swarf or whatever to Italy, to your guy who's going to dispose of it. Um, I got a garbage guy. That's, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the start of the 80s, um, Campania. It's a very poor region. It's got like, bad oversight. It doesn't have a lot of public competition. And so because they've got the local government sewn up pretty soon, they can just like close down, like, hazardous weight. So like pretty

soon they can just like muscle everybody else out of the business. Like a bunch of like competing waste disposal stuff in northern Italy closes down. And so it just makes sense if you're a company that you do this, right? And you save a ton of money doing this, right? Nobody wants to ask too many questions, because like central government is like GDP number go up. All of this shit's getting like thrown into a ditch or whatever in the South, which we don't care about.

So whatever. And you make a lot of money. Nobody goes to nerd prison. Yeah, exactly. And you know, if you ask questions about like, I don't know, the benzene content, you say I don't speak, No, sprechence Deutsch.

No, excuse me, that's two languages and one. Well, yeah, exactly. You just, you know, these, the hazardous waste aspect is, is not, you don't talk about it. You don't talk about what you're dumping where. Roz, you trying to speak any European language makes me understand why you almost get hit by cars so often. Frequently. Well, I get hit by cars.

The side can't stop me. I can't read. It doesn't even have the traffic on it. It's just a picture. Yeah. Because they control, because they control the like area, it means they can decide where they're going to dump it.

Because they control the cement industry, it's like, there's a ton of like quarries and like open pits and stuff that they can dump stuff in. It's even not that bad of a deal if you're a farmer or, whatever at first because you're not really farming that much. And some guy in a suit is like have, you know, 500,000 lira. So we can just put some stuff on your land and you don't worry about it. You take that money and then, you know, send your kid to college and the north of Italy, but they acquire a cool accent.

Also a very crucial part of the concrete industry is having dump sites because concrete can go bad over the course of a few hours of a truck gets stuck in traffic or something. Especially if you mix it with milk, dude. Well, yeah, that's true. That's very true. But you do need a diversion site to unload bad concrete

available at all times. And, you know, that is a convenient place for things to go missing. Snitches, libuboos, et cetera. Toxic waste. Hmm. All right, that's it.

If you got vacant land, it's a great place to dump stuff, right? Empty quarries. Another thing about this area is it is a volcano or it's a volcanic. There's lots of caves. There's lots of lava tubes and stuff like that. We'll get to this in a bit. It's great for hiding waste. And so it's very profitable to find, you know, some expensive.

waste somewhere and dump it here, right? It's very profitable. And, you know, it doesn't seem to have any immediate ill effects. It's like, this is some harmless mafia fun compared to, you know, shooting people and trafficking drugs, right? It made a lot of money. And yeah, you could only go to nerd jail, which you immediately win if you're a mafia guy, right? Unless you're, I don't know, you're the mafia a nerd, you know. So anyway, with this in mind, the Comora come in and they do the illegal waste dumping, right? They dump with a toxic waste. Uh-huh.

Yeah. So this becomes a full industry. And then the milk. All right. Benzine. So there's large open-air dumps of toxic waste, but there's more interesting places where they dump the waste. They dump them in farm fields.

They dump them on the side of roads, construction yards. They throw them in caves, right? But this is also Naples, right? So, you know, they're burying it sometimes, but not often they're putting in normal landfills, unsuitable for hazardous waste. But the one I think is most interesting here is they threw it in the crater of Vesuvius.

Listen, you can't say that's not an incinerator. If that comes back out, it's somebody else's problem. Yeah, that's a lot of people's problem when it comes out. But, you know, it's going to be the least everyone's problem. I mean, this is like a child's understanding of waste disposal. Why don't we just throw it all in a volcano? No, the mob has tried this. They also reclassify hazardous waste and dispose of it through non-hazardous waste routes, right?

You know, they just take, I don't know, your cube of cadmium and send it to an incinerator, right? Yeah, or they say it's fertilizer and you spread your fields with like cadmium or whatever, and then you wonder why all your plants are dying. Why, this is suspiciously metallic fertilizer. Italy held the record for waste disappearance with about 31 million tons of hazardous waste vanishing without legal treatment. I got to be honest, I didn't know there was a league table in that. I haven't been paying attention to it.

I hope England are ranked well, but, you know. That's from the CEC, by the way. Which is the civil society engagement with ecological economics. It's one of those bullshit acronyms where they like. Yeah, civil lowercase society, uppercase engagement with EC capitalized illogical EC anomics, which feels like bullshit. Cool. That is who came up with this quote because they have an entire article about this as the regional waste crisis.

I just thought I'd throw that in there because it's a good quote. But also I do like the idea of just Jimmy Hoffing all your fucking cadmium. Yes. Into a volcano. You're adding this toxic waste to cement, concrete, metals, asphalt. and of course, dilution is the solution to pollution, so they dilute the waste and dispose of it in sewage systems and dump it in the river.

I love the idea of the mafia reading that popular mechanics article from 1950 where they show you how to dispose your used motor oil. And they're like, hey, it worked for them. Hey, Tone, I got a great idea about what to do with all this used motor oil. So what types of waste are we disposing of? We got sludge from various chemical industries, ashes from steel plants, right? Radioactive waste from hospitals, very common now that we have radiation. How did they not do a Guyana incident?

I will get to that. scraps of textile, you know, from textile mills that, well, it's probably, that one's, actually, that one can be hazardous. You know, stuff from automobile manufacturers, things like that. Toxic powders, buds, soil mixed with toxic substances, you know, arsenic mercury. The automobile parts one is the one that's throwing me, right? Because I have a real Traniglismo sort of tie in for this, which is if you drive, like an alpha Romeo, right? At a certain point, you will come out to the curb

and you will find that like a single part of your car is now 100% rust and will just dissipate to the four wins the second you'd like turn the key, right? And you will go, okay, cool, I really need a replacement part for this like tie rod or whatever the fuck it is, right? And I want you to know in that moment

that the last supply of those that Alpha Romeo made, was thrown into a volcano by a mobster. Fosh. Metal toxic components, hospital waste, sewage waste, industrial mud and oils. Now, this is an interesting one. What the fuck is industrial mud, brother?

There's lots of industrial muds. What the hell are you talking? It's like drilling. It's like, what's the really nice mud that's like really expensive. The baseball mud? No, no, not the baseball mud. No, it's, you know, it's a clay I'm thinking of, actually.

I had a Japanese face mask like that once. I don't know. Is that what you're thinking of? Yeah, they can't use it again. They've got to dispose of it. Yeah. That might be a commercial mud, not an industrial one. You know.

Sorry, this mud's only zoned for light commercial use. You know, and they're, they're shredding like automobiles, you know, stuff like that. All of this fucking crap, even like, soil from the last Lanzia, Delta, into Graale went directly into a car crusher and from there into Vesuvius. Into the volcano, yeah. Soil from graveyards. What's in this one? bunch of mud, like some bones, Alancia stratus, like a bunch of X-ray sources.

And grandma. Yeah, well, I'm dead. Just throwing me in the trash. I've seen it's always sunny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Into the volcano. In 2004 and 2005, regional dumps were discovered containing radioactive waste. I too have eaten in a Narby's special.

Oh, that's pretty bad you go in there and you have a regional dump. Yeah. They smelled that shit over in Kanchokin. I hope they do. So there's two downstream effects of this. The first is, you know, folks start saying, hey, could you please stop covering the Italian countryside and all this shite? You know, counterpoint.

Counterpoint, I have a gun. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Several of them, actually. Second is, you know, that waste that shouldn't be going to landfills off in this untreated industrial waste, which is falsely registered as non-hazardous, starts filling up all the landfills, right? People are noticing, wow, these landfills are filling up a lot quicker than they ought to be, right? There's a lot more lancier strathos in here than they should be.

Yes. So in the 90s, prosecutors tried to stop the flourishing waste traffic by shutting down some landfills because of their precarious sanitary conditions, right? and the main consequence of those law enforcement actions was the interruption of urban waste collection with almost no proven effects on the illegal practices themselves Elliot Ness comes to town and like breaks up the mob and so now your bins can't get taken out but all of the rivers are still full of radioactive waste yeah yes beautiful taking poops to look like cobalt 60 baby let's do this

The world's first dirty shit Not the way I'm doing it, I'm doing it, right? So in 1993, February 1993, the first regional waste management plan was approved in order to reduce the use of landfills and Campania by 50% in 1994. Italy declares a waste emergency

and establishes... I hate to rag on Sam, right, but here's the thing, right? And this is not a criticism. I love you. Thank you for doing this for us. However, that's not what it says. What it says is it's quite a compact list of just many bullet points of things that have happened.

But in this one space, there is a typo. And what it says is, in 1994, the Italian declares a waste emergency. And I don't know why he did that. The one Italian that there is. Yeah, Vittorio Emmanuel. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah.

They declare, he declares a waste emergency and establishes it. Yeah, from beyond the grave somehow. Yeah, no, it's, the Italian is an inherited title. I believe it's currently held by Berlusconi. It's a lot like being Pope in a lot of ways. Pretty much, yeah. They establish an emergency regime in Campania for waste, right? They create the dictatorship of the bins.

Yes. Committee for the waste emergency in Campania delegates full powers of waste management to it. I invest in you the full powers of waste management as, you know, as given down by God himself, Italian God, which I guess is regular God. Dying going to heaven and being like, gee, I just didn't think you'd be Italian. No, it was obviously going to be Italian. You know, their task with creating a regional plan for waste management and then assigning a contract to build the facilities required for said regional plan,

and they don't do anything for two years. and that plan led the prime minister to nominate a new commissioner on March 18th 1996 the president of the regional council given power to produce you are now the new Bin's dictator you are you

you have become Count Bin face yes and and you have been given power to produce a management plan without consulting the regional council. You can say, fuck you, right? This is like putting Italy back under Napoleonic rule. Pretty much, yeah. This is the Binns Napoleon, right? In 1997, the commissioner finally

drafts a regional plan. We're going to construct two waste to energy plants, seven facilities for the production of waste-derived fuel, or refuse-derived fuel that's RDF. An unspecified number of landfills for managing about two and a half million tons of regional garbage produced annually. Now, landfill saturation is predicted to occur in 1999 at this point. It's 1997. That's two years. So, oh, having five years of climate left is bad enough. Having two years of bins left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a pretty bad situation. To alleviate this potential crisis, the commissioner draws maps to designate sites for landfills, right? Why can't we just, real question?

Just dump it in the Mediterranean Sea, man. It's real big. Just back up the truck. We don't know that they weren't doing that too. Yeah, no, well, you know, we used to do that, and that's how you get lower Manhattan and like Back Bay and like what other. Actually, those are pretty great places. Yeah, maybe they should have just done that.

I'm telling you. no this is much more hazardous waste than they used to build those they're barely people to me no i mean you know back then when we did those nor nor nor mediterranians when we did those shorts specifically my mother-in-law is neapolitan so i and she room so i was trying to talk ship before she left but she made it out before i could like read her ah damn the thing about a lot of those you know landfill projects which upon with which some of America's most beloved cities sit, is that back then, 99% of the waste people generated was oyster shells because they all ate 20 of them

every day. Right. It's not radioactive. It's amazing how far the rate of oyster consumption has dropped since like 1880. This is my one return thing. with a V. Yes. Yeah,

actually, I do like a nice oyster. Yeah. Me too. All right, yeah. Well, there's your problem.

Bring back oysters. Anyway, that's a different episode. The bloody mowers. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You get some nice,

nice, nice, nice spicy sauce, you know, you got, yeah, you got, yeah,

no shit. I want to go eat some oysters at a fancy restaurant now. Fuck. So anyway, the commissioner, who was designated sites for landfills follows the path of least resistance

by, of course, targeting the most vulnerable and socio-economically deprived places in Campania. Yeah, I feel like this is a guy who comes into work and there's two maps in the office and one of the maps is where to put the new landfills and one of the maps is Roma population and those maps kind of overlap.

Management needs you to find the difference between these two maps. Yeah. So those areas are not very happy about being chosen for landfills, which in their experience, those landfills wind up full of toxic waste, illegally dumped there by the mafia, right? So. Huh, those scamps.

Yeah, yeah, those, oh, those mafia guys, you know, Anyway, they start trying to bring... They just nationalize the landfills. Yeah, they start trying to bring the landfills under public ownership in an attempt to disassociate management from organized crime, right? Yeah, because you couldn't have any organized crime influence in local government. That'll be crazy. Oh, obviously not, you know.

It's... How many more slides are there? Oh, 30. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Casalese clan member, Carmen Chiavone.

Sure, man. Yeah, whatever. He's arrested in 1991, turns Pentito in 1993, testifies at the... There's so many things going on here. The anti-mafia, like, tabards, the cop with a hairline, they don't make any more. The fact that this guy just has, has this shit on, incredible, beautiful image. I love Italy in the 90s. The shirts rule.

I love it. Yeah. No, but if you'll notice all the guys in this photo have hairlines they don't make anymore. Oh, my God. Look at the back. Nova. They don't make anymore because it's a headline they don't make anymore because you could only get it by getting a baseline level of cadmium in your water that has never been replicated

anywhere else. So he testifies at the Spartagos trial, which was a series of criminal trials against the Casalesse members from 1998 to a whole decade later in 2008, which was a whole thing. Fastest Italian criminal trial. Yes. In 2013, he claimed he turned informant because of the waste dumping and realizing the environmental impact. I love it. Oh, yeah. Why not my guy? I'm the, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, it took him two years after he got caught. He did two years in nerd prison and then at the end of that he was like, oh yeah, save

the fucking trees or whatever. Yeah, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, put in a laurax is armed as this guy's prison tattoo. Yeah, he got put in a cell with like a green piece guy, you know, and, and some of the rough run on it, had it right. During this time, he testified to a commission of inquiry in 1997 about the widespread waste dumping and disposal of toxic and radioactive waste across Campania. In recently declassified testimony from 1997, Carmen Chiavone, a former treasurer for a faction

of the Kamara, described nighttime operations in which mobsters wearing police uniforms supervised the burial of toxic waste from as far away as Germany. Oh my God, you're telling me the cops were in on it? What? That's crazy. The cops were corrupt. Yep. No, no.

Mobsters wearing police uniforms. No. Oh, sorry. Yeah, okay. They were just doing some, like, police impersonation. They're just like, I'm like a mob guy, but I love collecting cop uniforms. and like wearing them to do my mob stuff. What if there's a cop who loves collecting mob uniforms?

So just a cop, dude. Cop who goes home and he's got like 50 different camel coats hanging up. So the result of this is everyone can tell the government knows that the mafia is doing what it's doing. They know that this goes beyond just the bins are too full, right? Or the companite, the companians are. too stupid in southern to learn how to recycle, right? My favorite thing about Roz of many is Ross's adoration, an absolute disdain for the Italian people.

Italy is great. I love Italy. How do you about Italians, Roz? No, Italians are very good. I'd never met up bad Italian. I'll just go fuck myself. Yeah. No, this is an opinion.

Okay, so there's a northern and southern Italian. divide, right? And the North thinks the South is stupid and full of dumb people who are poor. They're too poor to be smart and they're too dumb to be rich, right? You know, so this, this is part of it is, you know, a lot of the, a lot of the popular narrative is there's so much garbage in Campania because those people are too poor and stupid to recycle. As opposed to we are taking

all of the toxic waste from Northern Europe and dumping it in people's backyards. Right. And then making them move back to it. Yes. And the intervention, oh, crap, I move the notes around.

The intervention here entirely focused on management of urban waste, they didn't deal with the fact that this waste, that this waste was illegal dumping and garbage trafficking from the west, the rest of Europe, right? Yeah, because that's money and you don't fuck with the money. You just want the bins to work again in Naples. Yeah, exactly.

It's like, okay, we still need to, you know, take leaking barrels of, you know, television, you know, radioactive waste and put them in a huge. huge pile, but you better fucking compost, you know? Mm. Just for the record, waste trafficking does, like, bring to mind a convoy of garbage trucks playing eastbound and down. They have, like, they've got like a fucking Delta Integrale with the big screaming chicken painted on the hood.

Oh, fuck yeah. Italian Bert Reynolds. Italian for Reynolds is, oh, yes. Breaker, breaker, this is the garbage, man. So 2013 also happens to be when the Italian government finally released the 1997 commissioner of inquiry from being a state secret. They made the, they made the garbage inquiry a state. Garbage leaks.

Yeah. Incredible. Well, ideally, as we discussed previously, once you put the garbage. garbage in the landfill, it doesn't leak. You use a liner for that. But this is again, these are bad landfills, right? So this is the incinerator we looked at before. And you can sort of see, you know, the incinerator here.

And outside, there's just big piles of trash, which they have lined with trash bags, as one does. Well, it's good. It's a lot. It's got trash bags. Yeah, no. Well, that's the bad part. Is the bags only on top?

Well, no, I think the bag goes underneath. I don't know how this works. So they sent out this tender for, like, managing the waste, right? And a company called FIBE. Shit, what does that stand for? Physia. Oh, boy. Physia it is Olympia and da.

Visia Italiani Skiy SQA How many fucking How many fucking bullet points are in this slide? I've seen fewer bullet points

that are attached to like machine gun links I Okay, right Don't chip back Cuck and Langan GMBAH Evil

Overhouse and AG Can I ask something? Sam's research is very thorough Yeah, can I Can I seize the controls of the aircraft here? Can I just summarize? November, could you please do that?

Yeah. Okay, cool, right. I'm piloting the episode now. Thanks so much. Okay, okay, okay. So you're gonna try and fix this. They're gonna try and fix this, right, by building the fucking waste valerizer machine, the thing, right? And everybody hates it, right?

They have some justified nimbism about building this gigantic waste incinerator to the point that they protest against it. And four people get arrested. 56 people get like the shit kicked out of them by the riot police, including the communist mayor of a Sarah. So hell yeah, question mark. The long tradition of communists getting their shit kicked in by cops. Yes.

Yeah. But rarely is it the mayor. You got like a sash with like a hammer and a sickle on it What we what we move from is mob stuff to like corporate stuff right and perverse incentives and so because the Italian government are going to subsidize them to make the marque rolls the like eco bales right and then burn them they just have to make them and that's why we have this photo of the waste valorizer with all of the garbage outside, right?

And anytime one of these incinerators gets closed, for any reason, which includes the mob interfering and trying to shut them down, the garbage piles up, they have to open up more landfills to temporarily store all of these like marque rolls, all of the eco-bails. And this is an interesting point here. of the way the contract is structured, municipalities are supposed to deliver a certain amount of waste to the incinerator

every day, or they have to pay a fee, right? So the incentivization here is to produce more waste and not less. Like, I better not see you fucking recycling.

chuck that shit in the bin. Also, the quality of the bales that they're putting out is ass. You know how he mentioned how if it's too wet, it actually like costs more energy than you get back to burn it? They're too wet, right? They're like twice as wet as they should be. These are wet bales of garbage. They're just throwing whatever shit in there.

There's a bit in here about how they have entire wheels off of cars. So like, again, if you drive the Alpha Romeo and you're like, where are my wheels? They're in one of these eco-bells. They're waiting to be incinerated several decades from now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so this prompts a judicial inquiry called Operation Orompi Bale, which is Operation Pain in the Ass.

Ah. Ah? Isn't it like closer to a ball breaker? I'm just breaking your balls. I am. Yeah. There's so many power. There's so many bullet points here.

I'm done. This is, so like, they're investigating like one of the tricks that they use to get these marque rolls to look like they've been processed, which is just driving a bulldozer over them. Well, if it burns, it burns. You know, I'm not, I'm not too worried about the, I'm not too worried about the energy production. Just make the waste go away, please. Dump it in the ocean.

I keep saying. They were already. So a bunch of guys get indicted, including this guy, Gido Bartalaso, who is the head of the like civil defense, right? Incidentally, the consortium, the company, Fibbe, that is doing all of this, their parent company is in charge of doing the high-speed train line between Milan and Florence, and a guy in charge of that gets convicted for dumping illegal waste beneath the rails as ballast. They're just, you know, Phil is Phil.

Garbage train. We're all got children in the dark, baby. I've been on that garbage train. It's actually, no, it's pretty good. I would not describe that train. You wrote over some garbage. Yeah. Which was some dude that's fires and God knows what else.

Okay. Next slide, please. Next. Okay, now we're at round one. December, the end of December 2007, there's a garbage strike, right? Not like the good kind of garbage strike, but the kind where they say, oh, the dumps are full, right? Dump's full. Not getting in a truck today.

Yep. Yeah, and so everybody comes back from the holidays to find out Naples, full of garbage. January 7th, the Prime Minister sends in the army to, like, bulldoze the streets of garbage. Oh, my God. It's like people are burning the garbage, which means the fire department are getting called out to garbage fires all the time. I feel like this is a city's skyline problem. I've done this in a bunch of safe files I'd do. I've definitely left after this point.

This is a bit of the Italian government. Yeah, the Italian government are going to everywhere around Naples begging them to take some of Naples garbage. And they're like, no, we're not going to do that. Fucking up trash collection so bad in Naples, you just click the Vesuvius button. Like, I gotta start over. This is a workers and resources Soviet Republic problem

in that, you know, you find out that, like, like, I don't know, you know, your entire garbage. collection is fucked for four years because one truck broke down in the wrong place. And now the dump is full and, you know, there's no way out. And to be clear, like the reason why these dumps are full is because they're full of industrial waste from like Germany and Northern Italy and shit. But now when you go to Northern Italy and you're like, hey, can we use your dumps to take

care of some of Naples as shit? They're like, absolutely not. No, God, no, absolutely not. That's because you're stupid and poor Southerners. Sorry. Yes. Jesus. Next slide, please.

All right, so we got a map here, and we have circled Pianura. And right next to it is, yeah, right next to it is a place called Chiayano, although a Neapolitan, it's called Kianura. It's not even Marx. It's just, this is where we are next to Naples, right? Yes. Next slide, please. We got to talk about the garbage riots.

Yes, they're trying to reopen a landfill here, I believe. Yes, yeah. And immediately people are protesting against the landfill. And again, Italian policing is like, if you make us put on the riot gear, we will kick the shit out of you because it's hot in Italy. Yes. And we're all surrounded by trash. for yeah it's also like that's a bad combination yeah i'm hot and surrounded by trash i will also try and beat people up that's all i feel in new orleans yeah and like to be clear they're

they're reopening this landfill the landfill is full right and it's full of god knows what they've got like lantia stratoes in there they've got like your grandma's bones all of this and yeah uh they're just like well it can't be in naples so it has to be here yes And they're like, they're bringing in the army. People are throwing Molotovs at the army. People are firing guns at the town hall. But so eventually what they do is they get into court. They tied up in the Italian court system and they closed the landfill again.

And it has never reopened since, which again, fastest moving part of the Italian court system. Yes. Next slide, please. This brings down the Italian Prime Minister. This is Romano Prado. He, because again, to be clear, he gets back from Christmas and is like, yeah, Naples is full of garbage and people are burning the garbage, we've got to do something. He promises to do something and he meets...

I will fix this. Yeah, yeah, and he meets his political end with the garbage riots. I did not fix this. Yeah. And we have some images on the next slide of him not fixing this. This is what Naples looks like in the middle of February. We bear in mind this is something that started in December. At least it doesn't smell that bad, though.

Think about that. Next slide, please. Wait until summer. It is. Because this is the Central Business District of Naples in March. Oh, dear. hearing me. All right.

It's gone poorly. It's going to get worse. But it doesn't smell that bad yet. If you're the Italian public, right, you're like, well, I got to vote for someone who can fix this. And we're out of prime minister. We need a new prime minister. Someone has to show like a strong hand and leadership.

And next slide, please. the man who inherited the title, the Italian. Yes, the Italian is going to fix the garbage. He campaigns on fixing the garbage, and he gets sworn in on May the 8th. I'm going to pick up by the bins. Like, there's a quote here from the BBC suggesting there are maybe like 200,000 tons of garbage just in Campania, which is an, as Sam describes it accurately,

an unfathomably large amount of trash. Yeah. You know, it's really easy to go up there and win an election, you know, by saying, I'm going to make the bin men hard. Yeah. He literally does. This is his plan, right?

He's going to open all of the landfill sites, including the ones that are full. He's going to reopen all of the incinerators and make them work. And those are going to be like, strategic like a military site, the army's going to come in and guard them. And if you try and protest, you are going to get like five years in prison. He's like, people forget that Berlusconi came to power as Binz Stalin. Yes. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to fix the problem. We're going to, we're going to do bin Stalin grad. We're going to do, I guess also in the

sense that it took a long time and he lost. One step binwards. But like he has a guy for this, right, who he brings on. And the guy he brings on is Guido Bertalaso, who was prosecuted for the Fibbo thing of just having a fake incinerator, basically. He's the garbage czar. Yeah, he's, he is the garbage, sir. He's the bin

Oh no There's got to be a lot of these The trash No I'm looking for some alliteration here Folks You know The regent

The regent of refuse The Yeah there we go The craps are The crap The crap The yeah the craps are The count crap

The premiere of poop. The grand poop ball of garbage. Awful. Next slide, please. So we have here a guy taking his shirt off at the protest, even though he has recently had an intestinal operation because dudes rock, I guess. But the thrust of this is the garbage riots will continue until Morayor. improves, right? And admittedly, this is like kind of to the mob's advantage, but the garbage

rioters are generally portrayed somewhat unfairly as like mob stooges, right? Not so much so when everyone hates living next to a landfill and the landfill is full of like radioactive waste and the radioactive waste is giving everybody cancer. Yeah, it's it's like some kind of horrible refuse from like a Dutch, you know, semiconductor machine plan. Yeah. Jesus. Yeah, this is, this is heating up to the point that like a bin man is shot dead by the mafia because he tries to like testify against them.

Wow. Yeah, this is, this heavy shit. Next slide, please. That was a hard bin man right there. I mean, that was... An bomba ecologica. Is that good? So this is

It's like a it's a tough quarry tough as like I don't know what tough is But the point is It's the hard stone that What you call it? The Romans used for most of their buildings It's you know everyone said everyone's like oh look at these marble buildings No it's a thin veneer of marble there's tufa behind it You can see this in a lot of places in Rome.

Fun fact. Interesting. Yeah. So this is going to be the emergency landfill for Naples. The fact that it's in a national park is not considered particularly important. The fact that it has an aquifer underneath it is also not considered important. And so they approve it for... Most places have an aquifer underneath.

That's fair. They approve it for everything, right? You can dump anything here, right? Because it's, it's all got to go. Yes. Yes, it's garbage. We've created the bottomless pit. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Mono garbage. Anything you want. Anything you want. Feed the pit. Put it in there. Put it in there. Yeah. You know. And be in the boy.

Basically, we've, Sam, Sam has found some phrases, which, thank you, Sam. Um, It runs for three years, and then they close it again because of numerous irregularities, which I think may be related to the whole Bomber Ecologica thing. No, put it in there. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Yeah. So the civil protection guy had contracted to get a clay liner in the bottom, which leaks. And so everything is just seeping out of this landfill. Phil. And when describing one of these articles includes the phrase unbearable miasmas.

Oh my God, no, Bentonite, that's what I was the thinking of earlier. God damn it. Okay, never mind. That's totally, that was like 20 slides ago. No, you're, you're seeing a truck pull up with Ukrainian plates with a, you know, suspiciously elephant foot shaped, you know, cargo under a tarp. and, nah, throw it in there, it's fine. Why are my fillings itch? Oh, damn, if I take a picture, it's all grainy. So at this point, the anti-mafia gets involved, and like 17 people running the landfill get arrested, because guess what, they were also collaborating with the mob.

This is kind of the thing, right? Like, close the landfill, open the landfill either way, because the mob are a fact of Campania and life. You're collaborating with the fucking mob, right? Because if you're not, you're getting shot. Next slide, please. So this is an Italian soldier who is part of the military aid to the civil power, like, you know, sweeping the streets.

Just checking to make sure how much radiation you've got in your garbage. Yeah, after that, Ukrainian truck came through. It's like, okay, we've got to check everyone now. They had, like, loosely taped. They had, like, loosely taped an Italian flag over the Ukrainian flag on the... on the license plate. Trying to convince this guy he's colorblind. And also sees the wrong number of stripes.

Yeah, why did all the trees die on the way in? Don't worry about it. It's in the pit. It doesn't matter. Really, really smelly poop cute. Yeah. I would submit humbly that this is not a problem that a normal society would have. Is the army having to be like, do you have any radiation in this garbage?

Nope. No, sir. Next slide, please. So Berlusconi gets his Stalin grad law, Decree 90 through in July. And he declares victory over the garbage. I won. I won. I won the war on garbage. I won the war on garbage.

In terms of Italy versus garbage, Italy wins, right? and he ends the state of emergency. This is a photo taken on the day that he did that. So I think he may have been engaged in a time-honored political practice called lying. I'm just imagining him, like, winning a boxing match against, like, a pair of empty cardboard boxes, you know? Tearing apart the Amazon boxes. Yeah, yeah, it's like, yep, I won. I won a war on garbage.

Undefeated again. Next slide, please. Back-to-back garbage war champs. So, remember this place? Oh, yes, I do. I remember the March of the next year. They finally opened the incinerator for real, right? And even though the company that's running it is still being indicted, they just opened the thing. They opened it. It took 10 fucking years.

They said they were going to do it in 300 days. It took 10 years. 10 years is Italy, bud. 3,000 days and also whatever the 65 times 10 is. 3,06. I could have just multiplied that by 10. I don't, fuck. Anyway.

3,000. 650 days. 3,000. Yeah, that's a lot of, that's a lot more days than 300. I was. I was working towards like. Two leap years in there. Oh, shit, yeah.

Oh, my God. So the good, the good news is, right? 2000, 2004 and 2000. Oh, wait, 2000 was not a leap year. Not a leap year, right? 2004 and 2008. Yes. So the good news is they're actually burning stuff, right?

Which means some of the garbage is getting like disposed off. It's about time we let's up. The bad news is there is still like no control over what they're burning because they want to get rid of all of these like, low quality like marque rolls these low quality bales so they just go yeah fuck it

just burn all of them they put the elephants put in a bail yeah and then then Campania just kind of again declares victory right and they're sort of the state of emergency

is over nobody has any control over what this thing incinerates and within a year it goes back to not incinerating anything and only one of the four furnaces is working.

Oh my God, you know, you would think, you would think they go hog wild with incinerating stuff. You know, when I hear the phrase, if you, if you hear the phrase, no one has any control over what this incinerates, I would imagine they go crazy. They'd start like incinerating like anything. Like they would steal people's cars and incinerate them. They would like go into people's houses and take. take furniture and incinerated. Like they would, you know, but no, no, no.

They would like go into schools and take like kindergartners, throw them in. No. No, no, they just decided not to burn anything. That's boring. Have you considered two things? One, it's work and two, it's, it's not just easier to throw stuff in the pit.

That's like a tradition of the mafia now. They can just like, it's almost like gay shit to burn it. you get to burn stuff. It's fun. My father and my father's father's father and my father's father's father. We all dumped our trash in Vesuvius. And I'll be damned if we change now. That's a kind of burning stuff. It's certainly more cinematic, right?

I like how brown this picture is, by the way. This is real, there's a real doom three by it. No, no, no, no. Not little known fact. Southern Italy does have the Mexico filter. Okay, so despite the fact that they have the incinerator working, they forced the dumps open, all of the dumps near Naples fill up, right? Again, including one that is just on Vesuvius.

There's a dump on the volcano that is just full of 250,000 tons of garbage. Oh, they should just, you know, put a conveyor. belt up there so that you just dump it in the crater property. Yeah. Like this factory. Yeah. Have you ever watched one of those city skylines videos where somebody makes like the poop volcano? We just take all the raw sewage from your town and dump it into the, yeah, I feel like we're building to this situation.

So we're in this situation, right, where the Italian government goes kind of just one more lane, bro. And they try to open another landfill. And when they do, when they do, when they do. when they do, the residents react like in the image and we get more garbage riots, 20 cops injured. It's a little like a goddamn Christmas.

It looks like Christmas. God damn. Yeah. So they stopped using the new landfill. Look, I mean, James Cameron went to the bottom of the Marianas trench and proved there was nothing there. We should just have a bunch of drop bottom barges

and dump it there. That's going to work for a long time. Anyway. Next slide, please. So Naples fills up with garbage again. And this time it's November. So it's going to maybe. I know her.

Yeah. We've dodged summer, right? That's Berlusconi's main achievement is it's not going to be like super, super hot. This is a beautiful example of the art of Yeah, there's a beautiful example of the art of compromise here where they go to the residents and go, we will postpone opening the dump that you're rioting about if you stop rioting about it

to which they say no. Yeah, reasonable, because they 100% would have started dumping shit in the landfill again. Berlusconi promised that he would have cleaned up the streets of Naples within 10 days and now there's like one landfill left that he can take stuff out of Naples too you're just having like the same like empty garbage trucks cycling through the town all the time and it's for some reason it never stops on our street but you can tell pickup must be occurring because I see one empty garbage truck hell yeah next slide please So, we have one landfill left, and then that landfill fills to capacity.

I thought we had a bottomless pit. You're telling me it's not bottomless. I sent a guy down there to check if it was bottomless. And this is the bottom, and it's fucked up. Me when I look in the mirror, but like, they promised... Oh my God. They promised to like do remediation on this as soon as it was full. And then they went, no, we have to dump another 50,000 tons on top of this, making this

243 meters deep. Jesus. It's like the super cold. Yeah. And the liner, the line is fucking up. This is not a good liner. And in fact, the levels of leachate, which in Italian and charmingly is percolato, like a coffee. The levels of that, no one has ever checked.

I think this guy- I don't want to drink the wet. I've heard it. There's some stuff happening in the nation's capital right now, similar. This guy might be Antifa. I mean, with Berlusconi, it's very plausible. Yes. Next slide, please.

So we run into July of 2011. Fully, it's summer and it's bad. It smells bad. There's garbage everywhere. Yes. Next slide, please. But change is coming. And that's because in June of 2011,

Naples gets a new mayor. This is a mayor show. Luigi Di Magistris. Luigi Mangione. No. Luigi Mangone. And the thing about Luigi Mangiana is that he's woke, which is why there's a picture of him at Campania Pride.

Oh. So he gets elected as a kind of like left opponent of Belisconi, right? And he maybe tries some things like recycling, which is a crazy idea. Incredible. Yeah, but then the incinerator doesn't make money. Yeah, this is a problem. He kind of just does it anyway. Oh my God.

Door-to-door recycling waste. The city council like cuts off all of the private waste disposal companies and they just remunicipalize waste management. But then how do the waste companies make money? Yeah, that's a real problem. I mean, I don't know, maybe they have to go back to like jock crimes. Right. Fuck, we gotta traffic drugs again.

Guy who's been doing nerd crimes for too long and worries he isn't cool anymore. Also, is the image for Campania Pride a gay cup of coffee that rocks? Oh, yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that. But so, in addition, they find, because this is the key story of all of this, is garbage disposal is about finding somewhere else to put it. And finally, at long last, Northern Europe pays for its crimes, right? Because they just start shipping stuff to the Netherlands. Good.

bury them under it. Well, I mean, this is fine because the Netherlands can always use more garbage because they can use it for land reclamation or whatever. Yeah, yeah, they can use more garbage like their people who are garbage. Yeah, but also... Infuriatingly smug urbanism. It's like 150,000 tons of garbage. Yes, that fits perfectly in my backfeats.

It all comes up in a cargo bike, yeah. Of course, they didn't pay for their crimes because of course you have to pay to dispose the waste. They made money the whole damn time. They profited off of their crimes. They profited on both ends. I am thinking now about a garbage scow backfeats though, so that's going to please me for a while.

Next slide, please. And pretty soon after that, Berlusconi out, right? this has just added to like one of his long, long, long, long list of scandals was that he didn't win the war on garbage. I'm going to sound really stupid here about Italian politics, but like Burlusconi's been prime minister like, what, five times or something? Yeah, yeah. He worked out like a technique where you could still keep your immunity from prosecution if

you were still prime minister or president, so he just kept running for stuff. Okay, yeah, because I'm just going to say, like, I feel like he was in office longer than 2008 to 2011. He seems like he was there for my entire teenage years. He is still the holder of the title, The Italian. The grave. Next slide, please. Has yet to be a worthy Italian, yes. So this, this is a, uh, this is, uh,

Calvírizotta, it's north of Naples. This is 60 acres of bullshit. They, I mean, it's got like, they don't know what's in there. They've got French industrial waste. They've got random solvents. It's got like 10 centimeters of like soil just covering so much bullshit that they had to dig through it for three days with bulldozers to estimate the size. What will we have here is a giant ball of garbage?

Yeah, this is a giant illegal ball of garbage. This is 30 football fields full of illegally dumped garbage. And they found stuff just leaking up onto the surface. They found like stuff labeled polyethylene riboline, Goodyear Chemical Division, BASF and LTEX. but the good news is that they didn't find anything radioactive. Well, you know, you always have to look, you know, every landfill has a silver lining. Well, actually, usually it's black.

And so this is just the biggest of like a ton of illegal dumping sites. Also, some of them don't have it, which is, I guess, the subject of this podcast. Yeah, I don't think this had a liner. I don't think this barely had a top on it. They were just throwing stuff on the ground. But besides just like dumping stuff, the other thing the mafia was doing was burning stuff. Next slide. And that's not great ease.

I thought that was great. They don't let you do that. Yeah. Well, they don't let you do that in a way that doesn't give people cancer, right? But like in this sense, if you don't give a shit about people getting cancer, you can just kind of do. whatever, you know? Like, in the same ways you're allowed to take a sting a missile. Yeah, please. The receptors of child population, population, child workers informal and workers informal is real dark. There's, one of the things-

trucking, uh, of slides. One of the things about working in sort of like any kind of NGO sector or brushing up against it, even is that you will find yourself either reading or making a lot of very corporate style infographics about things like child workers brackets informal or like conflict sexual assault or shit like that it's just it's part of the this is it's how we organize things here in the liberalism I guess but so the mafia but strictly speaking the kamara I've been saying the mafia the whole time because I don't care they've burned they're burning so much shit in the open and leaving it burning, that Campania gets nicknamed the Land of Fires.

Jesus Christ. That's a lot. Yeah, that's pretty bad. You think that's a cool name. If you think that's a cool name, if you want to see Land of Fires, they're a down ticket of. Next slide, please. The triangle of death.

The triangle of death. Yeah. To be clear, this is from the Lancet oncology in 2004. not a good lancet to be in, I would say. And this is the first English language use of triangle of death. It's not the first Italian usage because everyone in Campania knows what's happening, right? Not necessarily the exact contours, but they know everybody's getting sick, right? But so...

Oh. Good boy. I see a lot of texts in here about tumors. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, basically, the Italian state looks into this. They do another inquiry, which goes, it's nothing to do with waste disposal. Although we do acknowledge that everybody has cancer.

Yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, but the cancer rates are crazy, right? Like, there's one district. What's love canal in Italian? Amore Canal de laude. Thank you. I know it couldn't be that. There's like one municipality.

There's one area, one triangle where it's like everybody has liver cancer, colorecta cancer, leukemia, lymphoma, right? More than anywhere else in Italy. Next slide, please. And we have some gory details here. Like sheep losing their wool and dying, rare forms of cancer among children, farm animals being born with deformities. That is a funny way to phrase it though, is like the sheep cannot live without wool.

Like woolless sheep immediately dies. Yeah, too cold. No, it's like, this is even, this is at a really serious point, right? because it's fucking with the mozzarella. Like, they have to, they're doing like mass coals of buffalo because their milk is full of dioxin. Jesus, what. Jesus Christ.

No, no knows what to put on the pizza then. They got to like import Provel from St. Louis or some bullshit like that. You know, you know who else is in Campania is the United States military? Oh, and. Yeah, in an unusually frank sort of thing for internal dissemination, because Italy's problems are not their problems, they go, oh yeah, all of the water is unsafe to drink. Oh, my God. But we think that that's fine.

So if you're on base, because you're only going to be deployed here for like two or three years, so you probably won't get... Turbo cancer? Yeah, I make calculations like that all the time. That's why I used the containers like four or five times. Yeah. But they did identify three areas that they banned people from renting in because it's like too dangerous. Next slide please.

All right, so you can sort of map this onto the previous slide and draw the triangle if you want to. if you want to. But the gist of this is that they're dumping this stuff in the suburbs like outside of Naples and Caserta, which is already where the government

is trying to put the incinerators and the dumps. And they're finding all of the like, because a ton of this is not like city water. This is rural enough to have, that you have wells. Oh no. All of a sudden your well is full of arsenic, cadmium, tin, beryllium, tetrachloride, tolloween.

What the shit is tollowing? It's one of the components. It's part of TNT, I believe. The news has come to Harvard. There may be many others, but they haven't been discovered. Four times the permissible level of lead. The death rate in the area is 10% higher than the rest of the region. and almost all of that is tumors and respiratory diseases.

Are you telling me that nerd crimes have higher death rates than the cool ones? Nerd crime doesn't pay except in human lives. Always. Yeah, you can sort of turn into the kind of Robert McNamara of giving water buffalo dioxin poisoning. There's a quote here from a GP in Frata Majore. In Italy, a general practitioner with 1,500 patients sees an average of nine cases of cancer a year. I already have 15, right? And so Italy is now concerned enough about this to point out this triangle and ban the sale of mozzarella, olive, oil, and wine made within it.

Damn. It's like this, this is too poisoned for you to even put on the pizza. This is not good. I would be so pissed. Oh my god. Oh yeah, if you're a mozzarella farmer and the government's like, you gotta kill all your buffalo because you got like dioxin in them and also you can never sell mozzarella here again, that's not so good, you know? That's when you back the tractor up to a building and spray poop on. on it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's, that's sort of European farmers mobilizing for the most

kind of depressed cause you've ever seen a herd in your life. Oh, yeah. So this is, this is a, your, your risk of mortality and deformities on the left hand side, your risk of exposure to toxic waste in the middle, and your socioeconomic deprivation indicator on the right. You can see that this, it's not one-to-one, but it maps pretty far closely, right? Yeah, yeah Next slide please So this is This is still ongoing to the point that

Chicago Pope went there And and visited Met some Met some like families of people who had like died of cancer Does a very like ecological homily Wow Which is nice of him But then the European Court of Human Rights

Finds that the Italian authorities knew that all of this was happening and knew that the Camara was doing it and had known that since 1988. Jesus. And they're not required to do any like compensation or anything. They're legally required to do another inquiry. Okay. Well, maybe we'll get this one done before 2070.

One of these days, we'll get to the bottom of this. Just take it, take it. Give it a minute. Give us a minute. So, so Maloney has, has, like, appointed a general, so ring in the army again to, which is funny, because she might end up being deposed by a general. But, like, she's appointed this guy to, like, lead this task force to do the, to look into doing a cleanup.

But the anti-mafia prosecutor in Naples, right? Anti-mafia prosecutors in Italy, fuck and are some of the only, like, independent sort of civil servants, basically. The Naples anti-mafia guy is like, hey, so if you do a massive cleanup, you are going to have to issue a ton of public contracts, a ton of which are going to go to the mob. So you play both sides. That's how you always come out on top. Yeah, yeah.

And because all of the landfills are full of this bullshit, Campania is still a net exploit. quarter of waste to the rest of Italy. And that is how the bins got fucked in Campania. Well, you know, we can all look forward to a new generation of mobbed up toxic waste remediation companies. Yeah, I'm a toxic waste remediation consultant. And then if we go to the next slide, Sam. bless you, Sam, has included a bonus slide because just in case we needed to fill time,

you know, because this episode might have been kind of short. Could have been, yeah. Could have been. Wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if we remember Calabria, which is the region sort of opposite, the Drangeta, that's their Camorra, that's their mafia, they have been irradiating the coastline of Somalia. Jesus Christ.

yeah, yeah, they've just been like dumping it at sea and a bunch of those ships have sunk and just vanished suspiciously. So who fucking knows, right? And some of them have been sent to Somalia, some of them have been like just buried on land in Somalia. There is one pentito, Francesco Fonti, who claims that an Italian TV journalist and her cameraman

were murdered in Somalia in 1944 because they had seen some of this toxic waste arriving. Jesus, webbed. Yeah, very, very likely that the 2004 tsunami just washed up a bunch of toxic and radioactive waste as well. But that's, that's the bins. That's the Italian bins. That's the Italian bins, folks. I mean... I'm sorry for grabbing the controls away from you, Justin. No, no, no. I said your control. it's fine.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I think we have landed the plane now. That's called crew resource management. You know, and it's, you know, all we can do now is, you know, it's interesting that the mafia from this point onwards is going to have to become environmental and woke, you know, in order to. Yeah, games gone woke. Yeah, exactly. It's gone woke.

That's where the money is is woke now. You know, there's no stopping it. You know, it's going to be... Yeah, you have to get your pronouns through this one contractor. Yeah, you're going to get the pronouns through. Say, you care about the rainforest? You care about the fucking rainforest? When you think about it, these guys are job creators for themselves.

You better care about the fucking coral reef or I'll send you down there. But yeah, I... What did we learn? I mean... I make it the meatball. I make it the meatball. That if you're gonna try and win the war on bins, you should probably have a better dictator than Berlusconi.

Yes. Yes. Or Maloney. Or Maloney. Yeah, for real. We need... We need a new The Italian.

Yeah, we do. We do. And hopefully a woke one, but I'm not optimistic. No, we can get a woke the Italian. You know, I don't know how. They better,

fuck. There's like the current mayor of, I want to say, I'm going to get every single detail wrong in a way that's just tragic. The current mayor, of fucking Turin, Nelly Sheen, or whatever the fuck, her name is. She's woke, right?

And so, like, maybe she can be the Italian. House of the Canadian. Yeah. They need a woke, the Italian from Southern Europe. I don't want anyone to be Turin. I want someone from like, fucking, I don't know, Sicily. Do they make woke in Sicily? No.

Well, yes, now that the mob is woke. That's right. That's right. Sylvia Salis, Mayor of Genoa, so I was wrong on every detail. Damn, beautiful. Still too far north. Hmm. For real. Yeah.

But that's, that is a podcast, I believe. That is the podcast. Well, we have a segment on this podcast called Safety Third. But, um, b'am-p-p-p-paw. Nope. I swear to God I will set up. the iPad and the new microphone soon. Until then, I'm going to find

new things to put in there. It's going to make everyone mad. Talk to talk about that. Hold on. Hello, November. Yay, Liam, Ross, Devin, and Assorted Other hosts. Other hosts. Other hosts.

Didn't name Victoria. Canceled. Okay, next slide. No. Likely buzzer noise for missing someone or assuming someone else was there, what do we got? Correct. What's six?

Greetings from... Taco Bell? Oh, that would be really good. They just opened the Taco Bell here. Taco Bell garbage plate. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Fuck. Holy shit. I would fuck that up. Plata de bassoura? No. Liam, they opened a Taco Bell where the Boston market used to be. Did they really? Yes.

We got to go. Yeah, I know, right? It's like an actual properly sized Taco Bell. Oh, hell yeah, dude. Greetings from the serial killer above the meth lab, aka Canada. I work at a small but very busy bronze foundry that's specialized. in lost wax castings of various sculptural works by a whole pile of artists. Today we had a perfect safety third incident, which somehow was unrelated to the fact that we work

with molten metal, power tools, large amounts of silica dust, and a room that is full of both flammable wax and fire. Incredible. The delivery driver shows up at the shop, delivering bronze ingots. That's... It's really taken by the way you said bronze ingots. And of course, you see, I've become hopelessly dependent

on the ingots. It is rare in my experience to interact with or even see an ingot of any metal, let alone bronze. This guy is just having someone say to you, yeah, I had a really annoying thing where a guy delivered me a bunch of bronze ingots is a potentially thousands years old safety third. I had to describe this in a clay tablet. Hello, November.

Inesir writing in. Now hold on finishing the sentence delivering bronze ingots and all the shit we need to make the ceramic shell molds The first warning sign was that He goes to grab the pallet

With the 1,500-ish pounds Of bronze ingots it's on a stubby half pallet and when he gets it on his little electric pallet, he doesn't get the weight all the way back to the powered wheel. No, he leaves the pallet on the front wheels near the tips of the forks. So the weight was in completely the wrong spot to get power down on the floor of this box drop,

which would be less of an issue if not for the first. fact the driveway is on a slight slope. So he needs to drag that 1,500-ish pounds of bronze ingots that is precariously held with way less traction than he should have. Luckily, our crew weren't dumbasses, and we got in the truck and helped him move the palate enough and got him to take up the weight in not a stupid spot. You legit. could have sent in this safety third from the like the construction of the pyramids. Then the real dumb shit starts. Okay.

This truck has one of them hydraulic tailgate lifts. F pictured here. Oh my god, that's scrolled all the way back up. These are sketchy things at the best of times. That's why I rent trucks from U-Haul. The platform is lower. Not sponsor. Wait, no.

I bet. We had our new sponsor, U-Haul. Anyway. Only two of us are lesbians. I did drive a U-Haul this past weekend, so I can't really say anything. We were in the Seattle.

Yeah, you have to celebrate Pride Month somehow. We were in the Seattle Pride parade, carrying all the Dykes on bikes, helmets, and gear and shit, and people thought that we were, like, actually representatives of U-Haul. They were like, are you, you whole? And I just reached over and grabbed my wife to kiss her.

And I was like, yeah, sure, why not? I love the LGBTU community. These hydraulic tailgaste lifts are sketchy things at the best of times, normally when you're handling heavy loads with them. You really, really, really do that. A little tiredness. You do not want the weight out near the edge of the tailgate. So you get your pallet jack sitting on it perpendicular to the direction of the truck, right?

To keep the weight farther back and prevent the front wheels of your pallet jack from, for instance, going over the edge of the tailgate. This man did not do that. he took the 1,600 pounds of bronze ingots It's gained another 100 pounds No yeah no this is a second load I believe On the 500-ish pounds of electric pallet jack And drives it within half an inch of having the front wheels go over

We are at this point fully in the realm of dumb cowboy shit. We somehow got the bronze off without incident. Okay, so no, maybe this is... What form was that bronze in? Ingots. Sorry, what were the ingots made out of? Bronze.

I really want us to sell like a... Not like a miniature bronze ingot. What's the smallest commercially... viable ingot of bronze we can sell. What's a full, it's presumably standard, it's a bronze ingot. Like in Skyrim? Yes, bronze ingots. Oh damn, you can buy a kilogram ingot of bronze for 1699?

That's not bad. That's crazy. That's not bad. I'm gonna do that. I'm just straightforwardly gonna do that. I'm gonna buy myself a kilogram of bronze. bronze. You ordered it Nova.

It used to be, used to be tungsten cubes. Now it's bronze ingots. I mean, it was like last episode that I was on that I ordered the four and a half foot tall plush Chinese dong thing ICBM, which is now currently sitting on the couch behind me. Nice. The podcast is largely an experiment to turn your listening time and money into dumb purchases. Yes. Yes.

You know, sometimes the left, consumerism is, you know, I don't even know what I'm saying. Other than, yeah, go out right now and buy a bronzing. Well, this constitutes investment advice. Don't worry. It's only going to go up in price. They ain't finding any more bronze. Then we need to get to the second. palette, which has 1,200 pounds-ish of assorted grades of silica, plus a 700-ish-pound, 55-gallon

barrel of binder that allows us to turn all of that silica into ceramic shell molds around pieces of wax. The barrel is on one edge of the palate. The many 55-pound bags of assorted silica take up the rest of the space. The driver takes his little electric pallet jack and scoots it under the side with the silica, right? That's up here. Oh, basic physics problem failed. Ah, hold on. I've lost my place here. Every time I scribble on a on a PowerPoint, it loses my space in the notes. This has been a problem for 200 episodes now. Microsoft fix this and don't do it with AI.

So that leaves the 55-gallon, 700-ish-pound barrel of liquid on the tips of the forks. The driver then repeats his previous action and just kind of drives the fucker straight out onto the lift with the front wheels of the pallet jack sitting under the barrel. about half an inch away from just fucking rolling off the tailgate. As again where I scribbled over here. This has the effect of loading the tailgate with 1,200 pounds of silica, 700 pounds of binder, 500-ish pounds of pallet jack, and maybe 140 pounds of dipshit delivery driver. The vast majority of which is oriented way the fuck out towards the edge.

Now, for those of you with even the most basic understanding of how to load things and of leverage, you can see this is shortly about to cause issues. The driver press the button to lower the lift. Being a sketchy-ass hydraulic lift, it's not exactly smooth, has a bit of a bounce as it lowers. A bounce, which mostly affects the leading edge of the lift. which is where all the weight was. This has the predictable effect of making the lip of the tailgate lift lower, which causes the wheels of the pallet jack to slip off,

suddenly dropping several hundred pounds, another several inches. This is what is called a shock load. That over 2,000 pounds of load is now acting like significantly more than over 200,000, about 2,000 pounds, excuse me. Not quite 200,000 pounds. That's a lot. Think about how many ingots that would get you. Unloading my osmium ingots.

Jesus, these are having. One single bronze ingot, you know. Now, this overloads the poorly welded blocks, which keep the lift from just falling the fuck down. The welds on those blocks go off like a fucking. and gunshot, the front edge of the lift drops exactly the way you expect. A bunch of plate steel with hundreds of pounds hanging off the edge wood. C.

Figure three. Here. Hold on. Oh, God. There's the mouse. Ah, crap. There we go. Tailgate fall down, Mr. Bond.

Tailgate fell down. I lost my place again. Oh, Jesus. Okay. There we go. The driver by some fucking miracle avoided either falling in the now existing gap between the back edge of the tailgate and the truck. Ed as such. Getting his leg or back fucking snapped like a twig when the gap stops existing a few seconds later when things settle.

Or getting launched by his pallet jack and flipping directly into the sharp sheet. metal roof of the shop, or being crushed by the load of shit. He'd driven out onto the edge of the lift like a dumbass. I fully thought this guy was gonna trebuechate himself. Like if he's still holding on to the pallet jack when this happens, the sort of motive force of bronze ingot is gonna make this guy into a kind of hypersonic missile. That would be like a fully medieval situation. I was trebushed by bronze ingots.

what a hell of a way to die just getting to heaven and being like yeah fucking age of empire two shit happened to me I don't know they have to put you technically they have to put you in

with a bunch of crusaders even though it's you know 2000 and whatever it is 2026 workman just like dapping up a crusader

being like Manganael got you too huh yeah What did you die of? Dissentery. We at the shop then got to unload this tipped palate, stand the barrel of binder back up

and assist dipshit in strapping. Strapping his totally fucked up tailgate lift so that he could drive away without dragging the damn. damn thing. The electric pallet jack is currently- You get the truck back and you've had to like stick the whole tailgate back up. It's really good. The electric pallet jack is still currently at the shop because there was no way to load it back

into the truck. It's just embedded in the concrete of this point. It's surrounded by perfectly stacked ingots. Bronze ingots Bronze ingots. Okay, good. I feel like my entire brain has been like sanded down nice and smooth. No, it's been turned into an ingot.

Which you could sell. What's all those? Nova's brain. All right. That was safety third. But I don't know. Really fun. Thank you.

Jesus. Our next episode will be on Chernobyl. Does anyone have any commercials before we go? Listen to Trains Atlantic. It's fun. To Train Galismo. Yeah. Listen to Begay solve crimes.

I just listen to the episode about Columbo and I thought it was wonderful. Oh, thank you so much. Really, really, because I, I, I, I really, you know, I felt like it captured the spirit of, you know, Columbo. I'm making Columbo gestures right now. You can't see it. I fucking love Columbo. So, yeah. My wife, you know, my wife really, she loves Colombo.

I don't really get it, but, you know, I listen to your podcast. Just one more thing. Listen to Trains Atlanta. There was one thing that was bothering me, right? You said there was one thing. You got three hours into the podcast and you didn't plug the new podcast with Gareth Dennis. That surprised me, you know?

Oh, and I plugged that at the beginning. No, I didn't even plug that, and yet you put that in there. Yeah, you put that in there. Oh, shit. There was one thing. Now, my wife, my wife, I don't really get it. My wife is really into bronze ingots. Now, you put the bronze ingots.

Ancient Sumerian Columbus. Oh, my God. You put the bronze ingots on the front of the pallet jack. End this. And this. I think that was, that was a podcast. That was beautiful. That was beautiful.